50 years ago my mum bought me a German.177… I used Wd 40 and it would group 2 inches at80 meters. The gun still works perfectly and know I know it’s called dieseling.. a spring still shoots 3000 rounds later… dieseling doesn’t 😞
I'm 67yrs I got a .22 Diana air rifle for my 16th birthday and my dad taught me how to diesel then. Since then I have always deiseld my air rifles, I've always used and found diesel fuel for model engines to be the best and easiest to use, you just squirt a bit in the tin and give it a good shake and your ready to go. In all this time I've never had any damage caused to any of my air rifles.
@@georgegg4846 only the little leather seal on the barrel face which dries up or wears out in time anyway. I've never had to replace the main seal, last time I put a new spring in, years ago, the seal looked ok then. But other than that I've had no problems with any seals on my air rifles, my BSA, which has a bit more power than my Diana, has a tap loading system and under leaver cocking. So only has one seal, which hasn't been damaged through dieseling. I think this damage through dieseling is just a myth probably created by people " Karen's " you know the type, who think it's wrong, your cheating the system by taking your air rifle beyond the legal limit. Or just by trolls who just disagree with everything or everyone, just for the sake of it.
Only wimps cry about damaging the gun. They underestimate the power of firearms. They just follow everything literally, no common sense, in war everything goes you idiots
I guess I have been unknowingly dieseling my Crosman 760 pumpmaster since the early 80’s. I have always used 3 in 1 oil. The gun works perfect 40+ years later. Thanks for the video!
That's funny. I love how everyone thinks it's so terrible for the gun. It's really not unless you have a cheap gun then I wouldn't even put oil in it. Of course I'm referring to like a daisy lever action from the 70s or some of these other ones that are not Gamo brand or Umarex. Just saying. Yes Gamo you can send me some stuff to test! I'm quite sold on that product! I recommend it to everybody
Side note here, if you really want to have some fun with dieseling, get the Raptor pellets by Gamo and Diesel those with Vicks VapoRub. It shoots through a 2 L bottle of ice four times with the same pellet it's super sonic speed and it sounds like a 30-06 going off! Quite this real actually. Plus I killed a coyote at 103 yards with a 177 caliber Gamo Whisper! And it's confirmed I have a witness! A night shot one-handed with a flashlight and the other hand in the eyeball of the coyote! Look out Annie Oakley LOL
WD40 has a new GEL formula.. just fill the back of pellet. ALSO FYI always store your air rifles in a barrel down position, so the solvents do not flow back into internals .seals , etc...
You could clearly hear the pellets going supersonic and the echo around the field. I'm not familiar with the metric measuring system of joules and the lower measurement on you chronograph Ben but if it's going supersonic in old money that's 1100 feet per second which is the same as a 9mm Parabellum ( Luger) firearm round. Pretty impressive mate
But it is way too much to fully combust. Works, but is dirty. Give a set number of drops oil into a new can of pellets, swirl them around and let them soak a little. Also very repeatable.
3 in 1 household oil does really well... 1 droplet in the reciever had my swarm +400 fps and the dent in my lead target was much wider and a lil deeper . Watch for ricochet
I appreciate your utter honesty. You are a man of your word and you made a nice video regarding this method. And I tested it myself and I found the same results that you did thanks for this video I got a lot out of it
I really liked the dieseling test you´ve just performed, I´ve been interested on this theme for a while and you video provided the information I am looking for. Thanks and best regards.
It might be worth noting that the speed of sound is about 343 m per second and you are dieseling these pellets up a little past that. Two big negative effects are the extra noise from the Sonic crack and the significant accuracy loss by the pellets leaving your barrel just a little over the speed of sound and passing through that barrier in the first 20 or 30 m. Really a good idea to use heavier pellets if you're going to diesel so that you can keep your muzzle velocity down below 300 m/s or so.
They are actually going twice through the transonic speed range, once going supersonic and once slowing down to subsonic. You will have the accuracy like shooting birdshot. Spot on with your pellet weight remark.
@@dutchsailor6620they pass through transsonic in the barrel. But depending on pellet form going transsonic might not hurt them because they rotate so fast
what they are talking about with the seals is when people that use oils, especially a lot of oil, it can work it's way down into where the seals are and destroys them, Vaseline is a lot safer but a real pain in the butt to load each pellet, i use a drop of gun oil which i put in the butt of the pellet after i have it loaded into the barrel then i make sure to keep the barrel pointed nose down right up until i raise the barrel then shoot quickly so nothing can run back down the barrel, it also doesn't hurt to run a piece of wading or cloth through the barrel after you are done shooting.....
A couple of points… yes, I know this works, and its fun, because I have done it myself many years ago. Firstly, yes the power increases significantly, but with very little consistency, so the accuracy is going to be bad (so its useless for hunting)… This lack of accuracy is probably caused by two main factors… transiting the sound barrier and the extra pressure deforming the pellet skirt unevenly so you get ‘fliers’. Heavier pellets would probably help in this regard. Secondly, and probably more significantly, whilst not wanting to be a killjoy, in the UK if you have an air rifle capable of producing more than 12 ft/lbs muzzle energy it is classed as a firearm, and you DEFINITELY wouldn’t want to get caught by the police with it (the supersonic ‘cracks’ might not be appreciated by neighbours and are a dead giveaway). Possession of an unlicensed firearm (which is what a dieseling air rifle becomes) in the UK carries an almost certain prison sentence, so its just not worth the risk unless you have it on a Firearm Certificate… in which case there are FAR better options available to you.
As you said, it's fun. And an experiment on my part to see if it actually worked. Here in France we can have a bit more power, up to 20 joules. But this exceeds even that. However I do have my cat C license which is like an FAC. But yes the pellets were tumbling all over the place, my Bergara BMR 22lr is much better when it comes to needing a bit more.
@@Dr._Spamyof course not. But we’re not talking about just ‘lubricating’ it here… we’re talking about using oil as a fuel to significantly increase the power of the rifle, and in the UK this is not without very draconian consequences, and one of the consequences is that if the power of an air weapon exceeds 12 ft/lb of muzzle energy (6ft/lb for an air pistol), then it is automatically categorised as a ‘firearm’, and you need to be issued a Firearm Certificate by the local police force to own it. It also needs to be kept in a steel safe when not in use (and they won’t issue one for a dieselling air gun). The unpleasant fact is that this ‘fun’ carries a mandatory prison sentence. You have been warned ( if you live in the UK)!
I don't need to diesel, I use air rifles for tasks where firearms are too destructive/potentially dangerous, I have an old S400 (11.4 ft/lbs) for rabbit/wood pigeon, and an S510 (11.4 ft/lbs) for 25 yard target, plus an MPR Precision (5.1 ft/lbs) for 10 metre/6 yard target, anything requiring more gun gets more gun whilst remaining legal. Plus all my .22lr is 1073 fps so no crack, but that might change as I'm getting a semi-auto and they may not cycle the bolt.
I don't believe for a second that this will damage any air rifle,power takes the path of least resistance as long as you don't have a blocked barrel I can't see any problems at all .
I’ve always used 3 in 1 oil. Just a tiny drop works wonders. I found that out when I was lubricating my crappy pellet rifle when I was a kid I about 1970! My rifle survived perfectly & its seals are perfect still! Quite a long time now.
@@jasoncannon8402 Not yet. But even if ot did it would be a cheap and easy fix, nothing to stress over. When I see these arguments online about seals it tells me one of two things, #1 someone is very inexperienced or #2 someone is very poor and stressing over a two dollar fix that is one day going to have to be done anyway.
@@spiritualawakenings6251 thank you lots for that information. I'm 42 and never heard about dieseling and used brake barrel since I was 10. Man I would know so much more by now if I did.. DOES Vaseline make build up?? Cuz I tried it
This is the first time I’ve watched any vids about dieseling the gun. I think doctoring the pellets with Vaseline is a much better/safer way of doing it. I watched a vid where the guy poured some sort of oil into the part of the gun the air comes from. That looked a bit dodgy to me but giving the pellets the Vaseline treatment seems perfect. Such a lot more power!! I’m definitely going to give this a try.
I use a rather big syringe applicator. Fill half way with Vicks vapor rub or equivalent. Needle out of course.The kind with a cap. This keeps the fumes in and from drying out. Easy to inject just a tiny bit in the cup. Works great.
As a 13yr old in the early 70's discovered dieseling my Diana SP50 with 3in1 oil after cleaning. Eventually use to use chest vapour rub. I have Never replaced to seals on that or any of my air rifles that I have had for decades.
Really on the boil here, as I am sure you know Gecco was the trade name used by Diana in the states after the war. Spring air rifles can diesel in the cylinder or barrel, in the cylinder dieseling can certainly damage components, whilst shooting newly purchased second hand guns I have had leather piston washers invert on themselves pistons re-cock or try to re-cock and thrash back through the trigger group inflicting some considerable pain to the trigger finger, and damage to the trigger group . I have seen dieseling split the skirts of pellets and severely bell the end of cylinders Some years ago I had a small gun shop and ran a service and repair as well, I regularly came across damage to air guns attributable to dieseling , chunks missing from piston rods shattered springs severely burnt piston seals various trigger components bent, broken or twisted or otherwise damaged. In barrel dieseling can fire back through the transfer port and ignite oils in the cylinder creating aforementioned problems. In general I would advise against, other than damage to your gun dieseling quite random in power levels , effecting accuracy. The Webley service air rifle was designed as a dieseling gun they have a transfer port in the piston to move lube from inside the piston to the piston ring grove from where it can be delivered in small amounts to the cylinder walls. but they require quite regular servicing and spring replacement, incorrectly lubricated ie not at all, the service air rifle is lucky to produce a little over eight foot pounds often only six.
My hw45 pistol dieseled for the first 2000 pellets .I don’t have a chrono but I’m sure it was well over the legal limits for the uk😬.plus points: loads of power negative points: couldn’t hit shit😂 glad it’s settled down now and shoots great 👍 accuracy over power every time for me 👌
I wonder if you could make a "from the ground up" purpose built gun utilising the dieseling principal entirely in the place of compressed air or a conventional chemical gun powder, I'm picturing a kind of twin tap system like on the BSA airsporter but one tap at the front for the pellet and one behind it which could allow a measured amount of a given fuel that sits in a prepared chamber once the taps closed and is initiated or detonated or whatever by a small spring driven piston,, like way smaller than an air rifle mainspring and just designed to slam into the petroleum jelly and maybe a way for it to lock in place until you open the tap again,, what do you think just in theory?
I keep my pellets in the round tin that they came in but i spray about a 2 -4 second burst of WD 40 once in it and it keeps them saturated and works great.
I have been experimenting with a .22 calibre Crosman American Classic which I have extensively modded. I am taking the powder out of a nail set cartridge and blending it with Crosman pel gun oil. I place a drop in the rear of the pellet and seal it with petroleum jelly. With enough pumps to make the oil diesel, the powder ignites and there are some very real gains in energy. The heavier pellets go right through a half inch plywood board. Sorry, no way to measure velocity.
What I've tried putting in the skirt (1drop) of the pellet and worked. Gun oil (m pro 7) Synthetic motor oil (5w30) Actual diesel (red) Grease (white lithium) Lucas oil (red and green gun oil) Obviously Vaseline lol I'm sure other hydrocarbons work just fine, in the skirt of the pellet.
In theory, every fuel has a point where compression is enough to ignite it, so basically every hydrocarbon should work, given the gun produces enough pressure =)
12:42 Just a little heads up that spring rifles are notorious for putting extra strain on scopes... I know what you're thinking... Scopes go on real guns and don't break... Yes, however that is a pretty linear stress where as spring guns vibrate like hell. Just my overall advice that you don't put a 1000$+ scope on a 300$ gun that will very likely apply stresses in access of what the scope is designed to deal with. But if you have money to burn why not go crazy... Just don't go crying when your zero gets busted.
I do not know if the speed increase is a result of the dieseling, or as a result of the increased lubricity from the oil in the pipe. It may be that the lubricity is what is gaining you speed, and not the compressive aspect of the dieseling expanding the gasses. You could test this by using a non flammable lubricant and seeing if you still had speed increases.
@@spiritualawakenings6251 that's a typo. It's foot pounds. There is a calculation using the weight of the projectile and the velocity which gives you the energy in foot pounds.
Hi..Very interesting..Would this dieseling also work with co2 guns..Its compressed gas expanding or is it the molecular structure of the air..igniting under prearrure. IE will any preassure do ..from any source?
@@zxggwrt Yes..but i meant co2 mixing with the chemicals of the vaseline..or if a chemist knows about a reaction wcompound that ignites with co2..thats what i meant..
Youre the only one that explains what dieseling actually is. Soo many people think its because the diesel fuel creates a tiny explosion, but thats BS because diesel must be in vapor form to be combustable. All it does is create a better seal, for less energy loss, creating a more powerful shot.
I know for a fact that when I keep my pellets in a tin saturated with WD 40 that it not only combusts but smokes and you can smell the combusted fuel and I'm not talking about a little bit of smoke either. I know for a fact that it works. No amount of extra ”sealing" would or could give these results.
can you test the HDR50 and diesel a devastator round and see what's the difference between a nondieseled one and a dieseled one. Also I'm on a forum with these guys saying it'll destroy the Orings on the HDR50 but I don't even think there's any Orings by the barrel and the magazine where it holds the rounds, so no rubber parts will come into contact. Am I correct and please do a test TIA
Ive always thought , how can it blow the seals ? The pellet would have to be stuck , or berrel clogged , ive never tryed this but maybe i will try now ....thanks
I take motor oil an put my pellets in it in motor oil on a .177 f 4 b barrel an pellets go in every time an loud an done this 4. About a year now no damage but man lots of kick 2 my gun about like a 410 gone off
REQUEST= Bro can you do one more think in my favor i have air rifles but i don't have chronograph I'm so curious to know if we mix petroleum jelly and gun poweder or flash powder & put it in the pellet skirt then fire it
My father told me they banned strike anywhere matches. Cuz people in prison took the tips of the matches made a powder and mixed it with petroleum jelly 50/50 mix and it became C4 used it to blow the lock off the cell door and it worked
This works because it is sealing any and all gaps around the pellet creating a really tight seal....That's all. There is no "diesel effect" no explosions.....just a really good seal. Without it air slips around the pellet slowing it and if escaping the muzzle in one spot more than another inaccurate as well.
I’m pretty new to this concept..so forgive me of it’s already occurred to folks in the air gun community has tried it, but what about soaking pellets in WD40?
As children we used model aircraft fuel which was really good but I think the ether in the fuel probably knackers seals if used a lot. As far as I remember we pushed pellet down into breech plus a squirt of aircraft fuel good for one shot only as all fuel consummed
is there a chance of Vaseline residue building up in the barrel and forming a gas seal on front of the pellet? or does it just melt away and get scrubbed by the next pellet..I'm dying to try this..
Little off topic.... Regarding the HDR50 what's better to lubricate co2 chamber. A drop of oil such as umarex t4e oil on tip of co2 cartridge or a specific type of silicone spray into the chamber. My hdr50 is arriving this week (Jan 7th) and I could use your advice on how to lubricate it and any other advice before its 1st use I recall seeing earlier video's where silicone spray was used
And the great thing is, your rifle itself is still legal🙂 ... If you get stopped with vaseline in your possession you can say you're doing a bit of pest control at Julian Clary's house
Any one tried just filling the rear of the pellet with a non flammable substance to see if it is just a higher compression ratio and not any combustion. Someone said they got the same results just filling the skirting with bar soap. I would love to see a chronograph test between the two.
That Khan may not have that oil pad I'm talking about but you do know where they tell you to drop the oil you know for the spring there are you putting any in there
@@spiritualawakenings6251 afraid to mess it up. It's the only one I've ever had. And it was givin to me. Now that I'm starting my own business I'll be able to afford another one. So maybe I will try this. Dude I'm having a blast with mine. Literally like a little kid all over again... every day I go and shoot for about 30m
@@zomb1324 I have been dieseling my Ruger Impact 22 for 5 years with no issues. You will find a lot of people throwing out theories on the internet but no experience. The only way to know is do it and not be afraid. I have a lot of fun with mine also, thinking about a 30 cal
@@spiritualawakenings6251 I also found out I have different accuracy when using different pellets. My favorite right now are almost liel hollow points but have a little lead point in the middle. Best accuracy sp far.
Wow! What a difference. Twelve joules extra, that is some extra power.
From your ascent, you sound like a British man that is having a lot of fun in France.
Thank you for your experiment
Will dieseling affect short barrel airguns like the Umarex HDR50 or TR50?
50 years ago my mum bought me a
German.177… I used Wd 40 and it would group 2 inches at80 meters. The gun still works perfectly and know I know it’s called dieseling.. a spring still shoots 3000 rounds later… dieseling doesn’t 😞
Es gibt kein Dieseln. Es nennt sich selbst zünder.
I'm 67yrs I got a .22 Diana air rifle for my 16th birthday and my dad taught me how to diesel then. Since then I have always deiseld my air rifles, I've always used and found diesel fuel for model engines to be the best and easiest to use, you just squirt a bit in the tin and give it a good shake and your ready to go. In all this time I've never had any damage caused to any of my air rifles.
Have you ever had to replace the seals?
@@georgegg4846 only the little leather seal on the barrel face which dries up or wears out in time anyway.
I've never had to replace the main seal, last time I put a new spring in, years ago, the seal looked ok then.
But other than that I've had no problems with any seals on my air rifles, my BSA, which has a bit more power than my Diana, has a tap loading system and under leaver cocking. So only has one seal, which hasn't been damaged through dieseling.
I think this damage through dieseling is just a myth probably created by people " Karen's " you know the type, who think it's wrong, your cheating the system by taking your air rifle beyond the legal limit.
Or just by trolls who just disagree with everything or everyone, just for the sake of it.
@@B08Y your last 2 paragraphs are spot on
Only wimps cry about damaging the gun. They underestimate the power of firearms. They just follow everything literally, no common sense, in war everything goes you idiots
Hi Bob just a quick one. So you put the diesel in the tin with the pellets and shake it up so they are all covered?
Using vaseline increases penetration so I've heard
I've heard that rumour too.
@@Maddogairguns Same here. Maybe you could knock up another excellent vid and show us if this rumour has any merit. I've had mixed results.
In the night there came a scream....
Who put sand in the Vasoline?
As long as U put it in the back 🤪
You made me lol 😆
I guess I have been unknowingly dieseling my Crosman 760 pumpmaster since the early 80’s. I have always used 3 in 1 oil. The gun works perfect 40+ years later. Thanks for the video!
That's funny. I love how everyone thinks it's so terrible for the gun. It's really not unless you have a cheap gun then I wouldn't even put oil in it. Of course I'm referring to like a daisy lever action from the 70s or some of these other ones that are not Gamo brand or Umarex. Just saying. Yes Gamo you can send me some stuff to test! I'm quite sold on that product! I recommend it to everybody
Side note here, if you really want to have some fun with dieseling, get the Raptor pellets by Gamo and Diesel those with Vicks VapoRub. It shoots through a 2 L bottle of ice four times with the same pellet it's super sonic speed and it sounds like a 30-06 going off! Quite this real actually. Plus I killed a coyote at 103 yards with a 177 caliber Gamo Whisper! And it's confirmed I have a witness! A night shot one-handed with a flashlight and the other hand in the eyeball of the coyote! Look out Annie Oakley LOL
"this real" - edit "Quite A THRILL actually!"
"this real" - edit "Quite A THRILL actually!"
WD40 has a new GEL formula.. just fill the back of pellet. ALSO FYI always store your air rifles in a barrel down position, so the solvents do not flow back into internals .seals , etc...
You could clearly hear the pellets going supersonic and the echo around the field. I'm not familiar with the metric measuring system of joules and the lower measurement on you chronograph Ben but if it's going supersonic in old money that's 1100 feet per second which is the same as a 9mm Parabellum ( Luger) firearm round. Pretty impressive mate
Around 335 mps is about 1100 fps... apparently. I've known this for like... two minutes.
@@flinchfu roughly 3 feet plus some change to a meter. 3ft to a yard and a yard is what like 0.9m or just about
Speed of sound at typical ambient temperatures is 330m/s.
So 350 is supersonic.
Vaseline definitely increases speed and penetration power. I've been able 2 send my .177 Pellets through steel. Supersonic crack roughly 1200 fps
"I love that Vaseline smell in the morning". Did it with my vintage 177 Hy-Score pistol. The JSB Heavy's went through the shed door.
my wife was glad we had vaseline in the morning when things were rushed
By using Vaseline you can also put a relative consistent amount of propellant into the skirt of the pellet, what helps with accuracy.
But it is way too much to fully combust. Works, but is dirty.
Give a set number of drops oil into a new can of pellets, swirl them around and let them soak a little. Also very repeatable.
3 in 1 household oil does really well... 1 droplet in the reciever had my swarm +400 fps and the dent in my lead target was much wider and a lil deeper . Watch for ricochet
I appreciate your utter honesty. You are a man of your word and you made a nice video regarding this method. And I tested it myself and I found the same results that you did thanks for this video I got a lot out of it
I really liked the dieseling test you´ve just performed, I´ve been interested on this theme for a while and you video provided the information I am looking for. Thanks and best regards.
It might be worth noting that the speed of sound is about 343 m per second and you are dieseling these pellets up a little past that. Two big negative effects are the extra noise from the Sonic crack and the significant accuracy loss by the pellets leaving your barrel just a little over the speed of sound and passing through that barrier in the first 20 or 30 m. Really a good idea to use heavier pellets if you're going to diesel so that you can keep your muzzle velocity down below 300 m/s or so.
They are actually going twice through the transonic speed range, once going supersonic and once slowing down to subsonic. You will have the accuracy like shooting birdshot. Spot on with your pellet weight remark.
Stop running ur re tarded mouth
@@dutchsailor6620they pass through transsonic in the barrel. But depending on pellet form going transsonic might not hurt them because they rotate so fast
what they are talking about with the seals is when people that use oils, especially a lot of oil, it can work it's way down into where the seals are and destroys them, Vaseline is a lot safer but a real pain in the butt to load each pellet, i use a drop of gun oil which i put in the butt of the pellet after i have it loaded into the barrel then i make sure to keep the barrel pointed nose down right up until i raise the barrel then shoot quickly so nothing can run back down the barrel, it also doesn't hurt to run a piece of wading or cloth through the barrel after you are done shooting.....
A couple of points… yes, I know this works, and its fun, because I have done it myself many years ago. Firstly, yes the power increases significantly, but with very little consistency, so the accuracy is going to be bad (so its useless for hunting)… This lack of accuracy is probably caused by two main factors… transiting the sound barrier and the extra pressure deforming the pellet skirt unevenly so you get ‘fliers’. Heavier pellets would probably help in this regard. Secondly, and probably more significantly, whilst not wanting to be a killjoy, in the UK if you have an air rifle capable of producing more than 12 ft/lbs muzzle energy it is classed as a firearm, and you DEFINITELY wouldn’t want to get caught by the police with it (the supersonic ‘cracks’ might not be appreciated by neighbours and are a dead giveaway). Possession of an unlicensed firearm (which is what a dieseling air rifle becomes) in the UK carries an almost certain prison sentence, so its just not worth the risk unless you have it on a Firearm Certificate… in which case there are FAR better options available to you.
As you said, it's fun. And an experiment on my part to see if it actually worked. Here in France we can have a bit more power, up to 20 joules. But this exceeds even that. However I do have my cat C license which is like an FAC. But yes the pellets were tumbling all over the place, my Bergara BMR 22lr is much better when it comes to needing a bit more.
@@Maddogairguns a brit in France? Nelson would roll in his grave 😂
It's not forbidden to lube your air rifle, is it ?
@@Dr._Spamyof course not. But we’re not talking about just ‘lubricating’ it here… we’re talking about using oil as a fuel to significantly increase the power of the rifle, and in the UK this is not without very draconian consequences, and one of the consequences is that if the power of an air weapon exceeds 12 ft/lb of muzzle energy (6ft/lb for an air pistol), then it is automatically categorised as a ‘firearm’, and you need to be issued a Firearm Certificate by the local police force to own it. It also needs to be kept in a steel safe when not in use (and they won’t issue one for a dieselling air gun). The unpleasant fact is that this ‘fun’ carries a mandatory prison sentence. You have been warned ( if you live in the UK)!
Wow , time to move to a free country !
I don't need to diesel, I use air rifles for tasks where firearms are too destructive/potentially dangerous, I have an old S400 (11.4 ft/lbs) for rabbit/wood pigeon, and an S510 (11.4 ft/lbs) for 25 yard target, plus an MPR Precision (5.1 ft/lbs) for 10 metre/6 yard target, anything requiring more gun gets more gun whilst remaining legal. Plus all my .22lr is 1073 fps so no crack, but that might change as I'm getting a semi-auto and they may not cycle the bolt.
I don't believe for a second that this will damage any air rifle,power takes the path of least resistance as long as you don't have a blocked barrel I can't see any problems at all .
Dieselling air rifles *on RUclips* is a great way of getting everybody's power cut to 4 ft/lbs.
I’ve always used 3 in 1 oil. Just a tiny drop works wonders. I found that out when I was lubricating my crappy pellet rifle when I was a kid I about 1970! My rifle survived perfectly & its seals are perfect still! Quite a long time now.
3 in 1 causes a lot of build up that resembles cosmoline after a while. WD-40 is much cleaner and much more powerful.
@@spiritualawakenings6251 dose WD-40 mess up the seal's with rapid rot rate ?? I'm seriously asking not trying to make any argument 🙂
@@jasoncannon8402 Not yet. But even if ot did it would be a cheap and easy fix, nothing to stress over. When I see these arguments online about seals it tells me one of two things, #1 someone is very inexperienced or #2 someone is very poor and stressing over a two dollar fix that is one day going to have to be done anyway.
@@spiritualawakenings6251 thank you lots for that information. I'm 42 and never heard about dieseling and used brake barrel since I was 10. Man I would know so much more by now if I did.. DOES Vaseline make build up?? Cuz I tried it
@@jasoncannon8402 If you tried it you should know.
This is the first time I’ve watched any vids about dieseling the gun. I think doctoring the pellets with Vaseline is a much better/safer way of doing it. I watched a vid where the guy poured some sort of oil into the part of the gun the air comes from. That looked a bit dodgy to me but giving the pellets the Vaseline treatment seems perfect. Such a lot more power!! I’m definitely going to give this a try.
Good points about the Vaseline not melting. Might be a good idea to pre load a bunch and keep em in a bag with a cool pak
Alternatively you can get a small 1oz bottle of Lucas extreme duty gun oil, it has a needle applicator and the bottle is leak proof.
I use a rather big syringe applicator. Fill half way with Vicks vapor rub or equivalent. Needle out of course.The kind with a cap. This keeps the fumes in and from drying out. Easy to inject just a tiny bit in the cup. Works great.
As a 13yr old in the early 70's discovered dieseling my Diana SP50 with 3in1 oil after cleaning. Eventually use to use chest vapour rub. I have Never replaced to seals on that or any of my air rifles that I have had for decades.
Really on the boil here, as I am sure you know Gecco was the trade name used by Diana in the states after the war. Spring air rifles can diesel in the cylinder or barrel, in the cylinder dieseling can certainly damage components, whilst shooting newly purchased second hand guns I have had leather piston washers invert on themselves pistons re-cock or try to re-cock and thrash back through the trigger group inflicting some considerable pain to the trigger finger, and damage to the trigger group . I have seen dieseling split the skirts of pellets and severely bell the end of cylinders Some years ago I had a small gun shop and ran a service and repair as well, I regularly came across damage to air guns attributable to dieseling , chunks missing from piston rods shattered springs severely burnt piston seals various trigger components bent, broken or twisted or otherwise damaged. In barrel dieseling can fire back through the transfer port and ignite oils in the cylinder creating aforementioned problems. In general I would advise against, other than damage to your gun dieseling quite random in power levels , effecting accuracy. The Webley service air rifle was designed as a dieseling gun they have a transfer port in the piston to move lube from inside the piston to the piston ring grove from where it can be delivered in small amounts to the cylinder walls. but they require quite regular servicing and spring replacement, incorrectly lubricated ie not at all, the service air rifle is lucky to produce a little over eight foot pounds often only six.
I like to use vicks vapor rub. Seems to sound louder in my Gamo. Also keeps my sinus' open.
That don't sound right dawg I wouldn't advise that but I am no professional
My hw45 pistol dieseled for the first 2000 pellets .I don’t have a chrono but I’m sure it was well over the legal limits for the uk😬.plus points: loads of power negative points: couldn’t hit shit😂 glad it’s settled down now and shoots great 👍 accuracy over power every time for me 👌
Yes sir and take vicks vapor rub mix with fire cracker blackpowder and put behind pellet....wow!!!
It sounds wonderful post dieseling.
I wonder if you could make a "from the ground up" purpose built gun utilising the dieseling principal entirely in the place of compressed air or a conventional chemical gun powder, I'm picturing a kind of twin tap system like on the BSA airsporter but one tap at the front for the pellet and one behind it which could allow a measured amount of a given fuel that sits in a prepared chamber once the taps closed and is initiated or detonated or whatever by a small spring driven piston,, like way smaller than an air rifle mainspring and just designed to slam into the petroleum jelly and maybe a way for it to lock in place until you open the tap again,, what do you think just in theory?
Interesting. I like the idea of using the Vaseline instead of oil. Think I will try it and grease
i use food grade silicone grease
Seen lots of comments saying vicks vaporub ignites easier than vaseline
Thanks very much for that I will try it with my Baracuda pellets
in my Gammo
Amazing results there. I also have the hunter 440...let me try this as well.. Thanks
I keep my pellets in the round tin that they came in but i spray about a 2 -4 second burst of WD 40 once in it and it keeps them saturated and works great.
The best video on this topic so far.
I have been experimenting with a .22 calibre Crosman American Classic which I have extensively modded. I am taking the powder out of a nail set cartridge and blending it with Crosman pel gun oil. I place a drop in the rear of the pellet and seal it with petroleum jelly. With enough pumps to make the oil diesel, the powder ignites and there are some very real gains in energy. The heavier pellets go right through a half inch plywood board. Sorry, no way to measure velocity.
What if you mixed diesel in with the Vaseline?
i diesel with my old chinese B3 . It works great . i haven't blown any seals or damaged my barrel. only downfall is the smell
"today we're gonna try something controversial with vaseline" Oh geez where did youtube take me now.....I'm going to jail for weird porn?
I could've help but notice how skillful you were with the ol vaz. Hahahahaha good vid
I’ve have some experience with it.
@@Maddogairguns hahahahahahaha top man
What I've tried putting in the skirt (1drop) of the pellet and worked.
Gun oil (m pro 7)
Synthetic motor oil (5w30)
Actual diesel (red)
Grease (white lithium)
Lucas oil (red and green gun oil)
Obviously Vaseline lol
I'm sure other hydrocarbons work just fine, in the skirt of the pellet.
In theory, every fuel has a point where compression is enough to ignite it, so basically every hydrocarbon should work, given the gun produces enough pressure =)
Vicks vapor rub. Makes a loud pop, if you like noise. It's the menthol.
12:42 Just a little heads up that spring rifles are notorious for putting extra strain on scopes...
I know what you're thinking... Scopes go on real guns and don't break... Yes, however that is a pretty linear stress where as spring guns vibrate like hell.
Just my overall advice that you don't put a 1000$+ scope on a 300$ gun that will very likely apply stresses in access of what the scope is designed to deal with.
But if you have money to burn why not go crazy... Just don't go crying when your zero gets busted.
Ever try blending Vaseline with linseed or wd-40 or charcoal lighter fluid or just using plain coconut oil or vegetable shortening?
Does this work with co2 air rifles
I do not know if the speed increase is a result of the dieseling, or as a result of the increased lubricity from the oil in the pipe. It may be that the lubricity is what is gaining you speed, and not the compressive aspect of the dieseling expanding the gasses. You could test this by using a non flammable lubricant and seeing if you still had speed increases.
Compressing deiseling causes small explosion behind pellet
It's definitely not lubrication that causes the increase in power and speed.
You think is possible for you to do on a video on airgun clean especially for the t4e air guns?
Curious to see if you combined Vaseline on the projectile and 3 in 1
In the air reserve 😊
I have a Hatsan 30 caliber break barrel without dieseling it's almost 31 foot mounts with dieseling its52 foot-pounds
I have the same .30 cal hatsan. Think I'll be sending the wife out for some vasoline tonight lol
What is a foot mount?
@@spiritualawakenings6251 that's a typo. It's foot pounds. There is a calculation using the weight of the projectile and the velocity which gives you the energy in foot pounds.
@@randomcuriosities8441 That was a joke.
I found that less Vaseline deep in the pellet works better than filling it.
The same with WD40, when i full fill the pellet, it not ignite all
When i put less in, it better work
i accidently figured this out with 4in 1 oil lol when i was a kid
Liquid wrench lubricating oil in the back of each pallet is the fastest I've found
Have u tried alot of different stuff? Also I was thinking of doing a drop of 91% alcohol, synthetic atf oil or synthetic 0w 20 and wrench oil?
Hi..Very interesting..Would this dieseling also work with co2 guns..Its compressed gas expanding or is it the molecular structure of the air..igniting under prearrure. IE will any preassure do ..from any source?
Keyboard now out the window:)
I'm going to try, not sure it will work. But in the interest of science, I'll give it a go.
It might not work because Co² tends to extinguish fire. Just a guess.
@@zxggwrt Yes..but i meant co2 mixing with the chemicals of the vaseline..or if a chemist knows about a reaction wcompound that ignites with co2..thats what i meant..
@@MATTETRUEFACT it will need air , you need the oxygen in the air for the ignition
Youre the only one that explains what dieseling actually is.
Soo many people think its because the diesel fuel creates a tiny explosion, but thats BS because diesel must be in vapor form to be combustable.
All it does is create a better seal, for less energy loss, creating a more powerful shot.
I know for a fact that when I keep my pellets in a tin saturated with WD 40 that it not only combusts but smokes and you can smell the combusted fuel and I'm not talking about a little bit of smoke either. I know for a fact that it works. No amount of extra ”sealing" would or could give these results.
hi😀, very impressive the gain of powe💪💥 with the vaseline "dieseline", you buy it or please🤔
can you test the HDR50 and diesel a devastator round and see what's the difference between a nondieseled one and a dieseled one. Also I'm on a forum with these guys saying it'll destroy the Orings on the HDR50 but I don't even think there's any Orings by the barrel and the magazine where it holds the rounds, so no rubber parts will come into contact. Am I correct and please do a test TIA
I guess that chronograph measures petroleum jelly speed not the actual projectile,
That would be nice if we can see the damage test.
Hi, brilliant video, thanks. Can you suggest a good chronograph, which one are you using? trying to find one that is accurate. Thanks :)
I use an LMBR R2A, it's been very accurate.
Ive always thought , how can it blow the seals ? The pellet would have to be stuck , or berrel clogged , ive never tryed this but maybe i will try now ....thanks
I have thought the same, I wonder if it comes from people that have tried it with a knackered gun, that needed a new seal anyway.
I take motor oil an put my pellets in it in motor oil on a .177 f 4 b barrel an pellets go in every time an loud an done this 4. About a year now no damage but man lots of kick 2 my gun about like a 410 gone off
REQUEST= Bro can you do one more think in my favor i have air rifles but i don't have chronograph I'm so curious to know if we mix petroleum jelly and gun poweder or flash powder & put it in the pellet skirt then fire it
Let me know results … I have thought about it
@@wileyanglin3728 i think i have to do it @ my owns without chroni
Hi, do you think vaseline provoques the same effect in HDR50 steel balls?
this is awesome. does it damage the breech seals or antyhing inside, I"m guessing you have to clean the barrel more often after diesling.
So far, no damaged seals, some people have been doing it for years, without any problems. Barrel doesn't really get that dirty.
I tried this with a hw97 and Webley patriot today can’t get it to work do I need much vasaline maybe they have changed the ingredients of it ??
mix vaseline with smokeless powder, then put it in a 38 joule gamo magnum igt
Brilliant you should try this with the HDR50 I'm going to test it on my webley exocet 12 ft lb and my hdr50
Yes, I'm going to give it a try.
Could you mix black powder with the Vaseline to get a bigger bang?
Probably, don’t think I’ll try it though, knowing my luck the gun would explode.
My father told me they banned strike anywhere matches. Cuz people in prison took the tips of the matches made a powder and mixed it with petroleum jelly 50/50 mix and it became C4 used it to blow the lock off the cell door and it worked
Just a drop in the back of the pellet works good.
This works because it is sealing any and all gaps around the pellet creating a really tight seal....That's all. There is no "diesel effect" no explosions.....just a really good seal.
Without it air slips around the pellet slowing it and if escaping the muzzle in one spot more than another inaccurate as well.
I’m pretty new to this concept..so forgive me of it’s already occurred to folks in the air gun community has tried it, but what about soaking pellets in WD40?
I guess, anything that has the potential to ignite might work.
ANYWAY TO LIGHT UP THE TRIGGER PULL ? OR MAKE ADJUSTABLE TRIGGER .. I HAVE A BEEMAN 22 CAL RIFLE
6:20 « so we're gonna try it now, see how much power it gets »
6:27 *SCHLACKKKK*
Me : omfg, that's a good one 😂
As children we used model aircraft fuel which was really good but I think the ether in the fuel probably knackers seals if used a lot. As far as I remember we pushed pellet down into breech plus a squirt of aircraft fuel good for one shot only as all fuel consummed
Awsome video
Awsome results!!!
I deisal my bigcat 1000 ... it WILL 'Hurt" things bad
Thanks
is there a chance of Vaseline residue building up in the barrel and forming a gas seal on front of the pellet? or does it just melt away and get scrubbed by the next pellet..I'm dying to try this..
I've not noticed any in the barrel, I think the pellet does a pretty good job at scraping it out.
Safer for your seals too.
How does it effect accuracy
I like to use vegetable oil. It diesels just as good.
If you put the pellet into the barrel first, then really fill the pellet with Vaseline, you should get even more power.
Thanks for that info. I'll use it.
Little off topic.... Regarding the HDR50 what's better to lubricate co2 chamber.
A drop of oil such as umarex t4e oil on tip of co2 cartridge or a specific type of silicone spray into the chamber.
My hdr50 is arriving this week (Jan 7th) and I could use your advice on how to lubricate it and any other advice before its 1st use
I recall seeing earlier video's where silicone spray was used
I started by putting a dab of pellet gun oil on the tip of the co2, now I use silicone spray, a quick squirt into the co2 chamber and all seems good.
Any specific silicone spray or just any type
I just use this stuff www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B072BZZ41R/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
anything changed after all these years of dieseling??
Vicks works great
excuse me sir have you got a license for that vasoline 🤣
Barrack is using it a lot with big Mike
And the great thing is, your rifle itself is still legal🙂 ... If you get stopped with vaseline in your possession you can say you're doing a bit of pest control at Julian Clary's house
Love your gag bro!
I thnk ud want to use a toothpik to avoid lint residu . . .
Any one tried just filling the rear of the pellet with a non flammable substance to see if it is just a higher compression ratio and not any combustion. Someone said they got the same results just filling the skirting with bar soap. I would love to see a chronograph test between the two.
I saw a guy that tried it with super thin rem oil, and gained more power than the vaseline. He then used a couple drops of water and it got slower.
@@jl123ist Yes, i think i see the same video, with water it doesn't work
@@mitragyn-tonic8253 yes the name dieseling says it all, it only works with a liquid that combusts under extreme pressure
I have a question: Does "Dieseling" also work with cal.68 or cal.50, with HDR50, HTP 50 or HDS 68?
Probably not, there is too much of an air gap around the magazine, rounds and barrel. For it to work you need a good seal for the compression.
Why not use diesel?
and dieseling with hdr50, is it possible?
will dieseling work with the 10 pump Crosman classic hand pistol?
Does this not damage the gun?
what country is this? joule mps........
That Khan may not have that oil pad I'm talking about but you do know where they tell you to drop the oil you know for the spring there are you putting any in there
No, I just put it in the skirt of the pellet, didn't want to put any into the gun as it might cause combustion inside the gun and damage the seals.
4:19 That's what she said! Haha haha!
I definitely want to try this with my crossman fire nitro piston
What is stopping you?
@@spiritualawakenings6251 afraid to mess it up. It's the only one I've ever had. And it was givin to me. Now that I'm starting my own business I'll be able to afford another one. So maybe I will try this. Dude I'm having a blast with mine. Literally like a little kid all over again... every day I go and shoot for about 30m
@@zomb1324 I have been dieseling my Ruger Impact 22 for 5 years with no issues. You will find a lot of people throwing out theories on the internet but no experience. The only way to know is do it and not be afraid. I have a lot of fun with mine also, thinking about a 30 cal
@@spiritualawakenings6251 these are super fun
@@spiritualawakenings6251 I also found out I have different accuracy when using different pellets. My favorite right now are almost liel hollow points but have a little lead point in the middle. Best accuracy sp far.
Can you diesel a 72 cal. Air rifle????
I would like to know accuracy as well !
is it ordinary vaseline that is used as a cream
Yes, just ordinary Vaseline.
Any food grade oil that we can use?
So I've been trying to suppress my .177 Gamo Swarm but it seems that no one makes it! Any ideas? Or do I need to design the first one?!
You might need to design something, unless you can find a universal one that'll fit the barrel.
You say you don't use diesel, supposed you do and put a little cotton ball dabbed in it, do you think it would blow up the gun instantly?
Is it now a fire arm?