FamilyTreeDNA + Law Enforcement: Should You Opt-Out
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Are you troubled by FamilyTree DNA's use of your DNA for law enforcement and cold cases? Listen to the issue of FTDNA use of DNA for Law Enforcement purposes.
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I am not an American citizen, nor do I live in the USA. As such, US law enforcement has no jurisdiction where I live. I object to American law enforcement having automatic access to my information without my consent and I have turned off this feature in all the accounts I manage. Family Tree DNA should not have allowed access to any customer accounts automatically and should have set it up so that those wishing to share their DNA with American law enforcement agencies would have to turn on this feature. FTDNA had no right to make this decision on the part of customers and especially so for those of us who are not American citizens. I am not against the use of these databases for law enforcement, but I am against the "automatic" on, feature. Lastly, it should be said that the FBI does not have the cleanest record when it comes to abuses of its authority and they have been caught on several occasions gathering information illegally, in violation of the US Constitution.
This is exactly the reason alot of people dont trust these companies. Should b sued
I think a lot of the blow back was from people that don't even have DNA tests done. For me, I have been confused that in this day and age we don't have a website set up for people to upload their DNA to help with unsolved crimes and unidentified persons. I know that law enforcement uses different tests, but looks like they have solved that problem for some cases. I understand why they want to use existing databases instead of making their own website, but I think people would be more comfortable with a voluntary system than an opt in or out.
There has to be money to support such a website.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics I feel like the money they save by not having to investigate the old fashioned way-which takes a lot of manpower-could offset some of those costs. Not to mention the benefit to society. Some of these criminals are still out committing crimes and each crime they commit also costs money. So, if they are caught earlier, that could save money on the future crimes they would have committed. For unknown deaths and missing persons, look how much time and money is spent on searching for them. If John/Jane Doe's were entered into the system, and then a close relative of a missing person was entered; how many of those would match up? I think it would cost a lot to start such a site, but that it would eventually pay for itself not only in money, but in clarification for crime victims. If every rape kit were entered into a national system, we would catch so many serial rapists and pedophiles. Sorry this is so long.
I'm pretty sensitive about constitutional protections. But to me, restricting police use of these databases would be about like saying the cops can't use a phone book.
It could be argued that GEDmatch is like a phonebook. FTDNA on the other hand is a semi-private database. You have to pay to get full access.
After this came out I deleted our Gedmatch account and requested Family Tree DNA to delete our accounts. I am not down with the government obtaining access to dna companie’s customer information.
I avoid Getmatch for this issue and considered deleting FTDNA into because of this. At least they have an opt out function for FTDNA. Only reason I have not is my dad and mother in law has passed away and I would never be able to replace that info.
I never signed up for Gedmatch for this reason and thought about deleting FTDNA because of it but I spent so much on it and 2 of my testers have passed now.
I can understand your decision.
I am absolutely happy to have the police have access to my DNA if it helps them. Can't say any more than that.
Things like this is a reason I can not get other family members to test. 2 reasons people are against testing is because people are worried it would be used against for medical reasons and law enforcement. Problem with Law enforcement is people think DNA is the end all be all. It very powerful tool to be used to get a confession. It is the ultimate bad cop. We have your DNA at the scene and your going down for 20 years but if you confess you only go in for 5. Which would you choose? Talking for a crime you did not commit but your DNA was found or "found".
I disagree because the DNA can narrow down the possible suspects. Law enforcement still has much evidence to gather to do to develop a conviction.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics not if you can get a confession. 25% cases overturn by DNA evidence had the person confess to the crime. It is that fear of the police that prevents many people from getting tested. I would gladly pay for my aunts to be tested but they be warned by law enforcement not to do it so they are not doing it.
At the end of the day it doesn't really matter if YOU consent or not. Somebody related to you will and that will by proxy expose part of your DNA without your consent
Yes. That is true.
I don't think there is anything wrong with that..they should be able to..I would love to help fight for the rights if victims..who ever has a problem with that better rethink their moral compass and if they are Christ like
Maybe look up the cases from UK, where they have a government DNA database, and the stories of people dragged through courts because traces of their DNA were accidentally found at a crime scene. One case I remember was a lab contamination issue, samples got mixed up, another one was suspect's DNA carried on an inanimate object onto someone's hand who then touched a door handle at a crime scene - thus placing suspect's DNA. The suspect lived far away and had an alibi, that didn't stop the detectives from arresting the innocent man because DNA is considered solid indisputable bullet-proof evidence. If you got skin problems, injured hand... be careful whose hands you shake, what you touch, cause next thing you know is you're gonna be accused of a murder or a rape.
@@mimichalek I'm good with that as long as it solves the cases here as it has.. because in the end they can do a DNA test and find out who did it..even if it's my own son at least they solved a murder..in the end the right persy gets caught by DNA
@@mimichalek And I think those cases would be very rare where a person is misidentified through DNA left at a scene where a crime took place. I have no problem with LE using mine to help them get a killer off the streets.
2 things to note -1 - if your DNA does not match the suspects DNA, then all of this is a moot point, as noone will see anything about you at all. And MOST of the time your DNA WILL NOT match the suspect. 2 - Are law enforcement officers REQUIRED to tell FT DNA when they upload a suspects DNA to their database? Because that would be the only way that the system would know who to allow matching and who to NOT match. As for me, Since I suspect that it is mostly only American law enforcement officers (maybe only the FBI) doing this, and I am not an American, nor do I live in the USA, I am not likely to match any suspect so I think my data will be OK.
I did a quick check of my match list with LE matching on and off. The lists were identical meaning none of the LE kits that have been uploaded match mine.
Law enforcement for s doing reverse geneology to find the murderer in your family and that's awesome..
Or, more than likely, a false positive and the wrecking of a relative's life, no thanks.
Family Tree DNA definitely dropped the ball. If they put their customers ahead of the government, they would have created an automatic opt out instead of an opt in. They must understand that many of their customers NEVER login anymore. Many more log in infrequently or do not read the hundreds of Change in Privacy notices that they receive a year by email or snail mail. More do not understand that they are not only opting in for themselves but also any relative that is on FTDNA.
This is exactly where I think the disconnect is. Most people are not opposed to law enforcement using DNA databases. They are opposed to being forced to allow law enforcement to use those databases.
I would like to hear a balanced review of Law Enforcement's presence in the DNA genealogy community. There are success stories, there are terrible stories of mistakes leading innocent people to courts - because our DNA can be found everywhere (by accident). I'm myself undecided whether using DNA websites by Law Enforcement is a good thing or not.
Gedmatch also changed its services to accommodate Law Enforcement' presence. FTDNA shot it's own foot off, their action showed having no touch with the reality, perhaps also explaining why in general they have been lagging behind other companies.
I have never heard of a police force using genetic DNA site to get an innocent..the closest they got was the girl in Idaho who was murdered but the suspect gave his dna and they knew it wasn't him but a close relative to him..
I'm working to get some people on our channel for a discussion from both sides of the LE aisle.
Do you have this option with other testing companies?
Only FTDNA and GEDmatch allow law enforcement to upload their kits. MyHeritage does not allow it per their terms and conditions. Ancestry and 23andMe do not allow uploads.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics wow you are a well of information. Thank you for sharing all of your knowledge.