Rig Kontrol 3 Expression Pedal not working? Do this!
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- Опубликовано: 7 авг 2016
- I just got a Rig Kontrol 3 guitar midi interface to use with my Guitar Rig Pro 5 rig. This is not manufactured or supported by Native Instruments any more, and when I plugged it in and installed the drivers I was appalled that I could not make the expression pedal work. Well, after a bit of trial and error I figured out the solution. I decided to make a video since I noticed a bunch of other guitarists out there are having the same problem with no solution.
This video has been so popular and helpful - I decided to make a new channel dedicated to Guitar Rig Pro tips and tricks. Please head over there and subscribe if you use Native instruments Guitar Rig Pro! Be sure to leave comments and suggestions, and please hit "like". Then I'll know what kinds of videos to make about GR-Pro 5.
/ @guitarrigguru
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It's 2024 and this video just helped me a bunch. Thank you!
Thank you so much my friend. I'm from Brissie - it was so nice to have a calm Aussie voice walk me through getting this working. Bless you .
Awesome! Glad it helps. Due to the response of this video alone I decided to create a new channel dedicated to guitar rig - called Guitar Rig Guru. Please check it out. I've decided to go all in on it since they just released version 6. I'm editing a new video to be published this week.
You hero. I just got my Kontrol 3 out of storage and couldn't believe it wasn't supported any longer. I'm doing your fix right now, thank you
I'm very glad this helped you.
Well, here we are years later... and this was super helpful. I bought a used Rig Kontrol 3 and the fella that sold it said it couldn't be used anymore... and I thought surely it can? I would have never stumbled on this solution myself. Thanks to you my friend I was able to set it up to control Wave GTR3. I'm rocking out like it's 2011! lol but seriously this was a big help and I really appreciate you sharing your discovery.
Awesome. And not only! If you use the version of Controller Editor in the video you can configure the RK3 as a generic MIDI and Audio interface, which makes it possible to use with modern software as well - I've used mine with DAWs and also with Gig Performer, and BIAS AMP / BIAS FX (versions 1 and 2). It's a true SLEEPER for us. I'll try to do more videos like this in 2022 showing how to use it with the other software as well as a few other items, but I'll be posting those in my "Guitar Rig Guru" channel. Please sub and you'll know when I've released those new videos.
I've just been given one by someone who said the same and this has just made it work in March 2024
Oh my God. I took my controller apart, removed the circuit board, tested the resistors and continuity, then randomly came across this video and now it works. NI suck at support in my experience but the user base is solid. Thank you.
I had to re download GR5 back on my Mac and couldn't for the life of me figure out how to get my Kontroler to work again and stumbled across your video. Well Done! it worked for me perfectly!
Thank you Schematica, this has been most helpful.
I purchased the Rig Kontrol 3 unit from ebay a number of years ago and it worked with Guitar Rig 5. I used it mainly for the Wah and volume expression pedal. Over the years I upgraded to GR6 but did use the wah or stompbox functions on this (but on my pedal board). I have now upgraded to GR7 and added Neural DSP and dumped the pedal board. It has been said on numerous occassions that you cannot use Rig Kontrol with GR7... Oh yes you can and with Neural DSP Gojira in my case. This information was the basis forgetting everything to work. I use the embedded swith to turn the wah on and off as well as other stomp box actions. For the record, I'm still on Windows 10 and the drivers you suggested work. I tried newer ones just to see but I could not get it to work. So, use what this video suggests and you should have no trouble. 🎸👍🎸👍
This is excellent feedback thanks. I had not tried with GR7 (haven't upgraded yet). I was so angry and disappointed that GR6 was LESS than GR5 (They took out the native Rig Kontrol support so it can only be used as interface and generic MIDI controller, which is a pain). Also because GR6 was a paid update and the only new things in it for existing users were things I had previously paid EXTRA for: Rammstein models, and Reflektor (for doing custom IRs). The parallel signal path options and visualization in GR7 does look interesting... but I got so mad at them I went out and bought an AxeFX-III Mk II and switched away from the laptop rig altogether... bummer since I had spent more than a decade with versions of Guitar Rig Pro and had built up a very good library of presets. (Also something that made me angry with GR6 was that the drag-n-drop setlist creation ability was removed... they offered a lame workaround but it's sooooo limited).
You're a leg end. I had the back off the thing cleaning the sensor (which appears to be optical or some other kind of beam reflection) with alcohol. Thankfully your video came up in my google search. GOOD MAN!
So glad to help with this! Please check out my newer channel dedicated to guitar tone, technology, ang stuff. youtube.com/@guitarrigguru
Thankyou! I have used GR for years and now they've dropped support for the pedal this has enabled me to use it live again with Guitar rig 7.
how are you using any of the midi buttons on gr7? my only luck was just as an input lol. guitar rig 5 works though, but 7 doesnt have the stuff on it correct?
This method still works great!! thanks for your help ;)
It Worked!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ahhhh I have been searching for a solution to this for years! Thanks so much
Glad to help you!! If you like this please consider visiting a channel I have set up just for Guitar Rig - it's called "Guitar Rig Guru" and I will be releasing more GR specific videos to that channel this year.
Thanks man. Yours was the second thing I looked at when trying to rectify my obstinately unworkable wah wah. Since my widows 10 install as you point out.
I've had my Guitar Rig for some time (years) and had never calibrated the pedal. Cheers and much respect.
Thanks for the kind words. I'm glad to help.
Thank you so much! Appreciate your work!
Thank you. you are the saviour! In April I had a lot of my stuff stolen (inc laptop and RK3) When I replaced the laptop it came with Windows 10. I sourced a 2nd hand RG3 too. But despair when I read that RG3 is not compatible or supported. NI were not helpful really except to say that it "should work" but there was no support. After 3 months of searching for a solution yours worked. appy bunny now. Amazing that a big company like NI don't know this, don't make the pedal anymore and to be truthful seem to have forgotten their guitar customers. Thanks again. Respect for sharing.
I work for a largish software company, and have seen both sides of this. One one hand a company discontinues a product and has to draw the line on costly support, but on the other, you have customers who trusted you when they bought it, and they deserve to be taken care of. I guess it's lucky there are enough of us out there with NI that we can support each other. It seems like they've abandoned GR (I'm on version 5 pro since 2013!) so currently I'm considering the software from Positive Grid Bias as a replacement, or Kazrog Thermionic (I have that, but haven't really tried in earnest to use it yet).
Thanks a lot bro!!!
it saved me a lot of time setting the pedal!
Glad it helped!
this video is gold! thank you so much!
Brillaint - thanks for this :)
You are an Angel! Thanks so much!
I've used this video several times over the years now, thanks. .... Oh btw..... I just installed Amplitube 5 onto my PC with Win 11 and I did not need to mess with Control Editor at all. It worked out of the box ... well, just had to download the latest Rig Kontrol 3 driver. All is well and I can even play to backing tracks or youtubes without messing with any settings.
Glad it helped! That's the value of the Rig Kontrol - you can use it for any DAW or other software.
confirmed this still works! +1 you rock
Thanks man, you help me so much.
You sir, are a rockstar! many many thanks :)
Thank you SO MUCH!!! It helped a lot!
Dude! Your the man!!
Thanks so much - very helpful :)
Thanks for this
Just wanted to chime in and say this still works for Windows 11 and Guitar Rig 6
AWE. SOME. And I haven't yet updated to GR 6 but the laptop does now work on Windows 11 as well.
you saved my life, thanx !
just bought a second hand kontrol to control guitar rig 5 which I've had for ages. As with most people was tearing my hair out trying to get the pedal to work. Nearly called the guy I bought it off to say it was a dud but glad I didn't. Your video and 5 minutes and it's sorted. Thank you very much.
Thanks - glad to be of help! I would like to do more videos on GRP5 but I think I should make a dedicated channel for that...
Please do. Native Instruments appear to have abandoned it which is a shame as I think it is bloody brilliant piece of software and an infinitely varied sound generator whether you play guitar or feed other instruments through it. I like nothing better than sitting down with a blank rig and coming up with sounds that I couldn't create anywhere else and in no time at all..
Dear Schematica, thank you very much, I am already almost mad, because I have not got the device simply to run. Of course, I also tried to get on the support of NI, but unfortunately without result. Regrettably, the vendors hit the market, but as soon as there are problems, the battlefield remains empty. Therefore, thank you very much, thank you very much, you have helped us all, Your Max Pumpé
Hey man, thx for posting this, very helpful. Would you mind expounding on the setup for external pedals 1 and 2 when you get a chance? I just got one and i can't see where to assign an external expression pedal to a parameter of an effect. It's not on the graphic of guitar rig in my Logic pro x on OSX. Cheers :)
soooooo sorry for the late reply. Thankyou for the suggestion. I will do this and post it to my dedicated channel: "Guitar Rig Guru". Please sub to that channel so you get notified once I post it.
Thank you.
Thank you very much! U da Man...
Love to you!!
Thank you so much for this. Please, keep this online for WIN 10 users!!
thank you so much!!!!
Thanks for recording this. I had to revisit this, b/c I had this working before in Win 10, but had to repave my Surface Pro 4, and noticed that the controller was behaving strangely. A few things I noticed:
1. It's very important that you do the right pedal direction in the Editor when calibrating. All the way up (heel down), all the way down (toe down). Otherwise the pedal won't even get highlighted or recognized in the editor when moving as demonstrated in the video.
2. When you finally do get it calibrated right in guitar rig, sometimes when you close everything out and return later, the pedal will say "con" and it will no longer work when GR is loaded. For some reason GR turns off the controller. I had to go to View->Rig Kontrol to show the controller in the stack, then click the little power button upper left to re-enable the controller.
It's a shame Native Instruments abandoned this part of the software
Indeed. But I hope to design a replacement...
Life saver! Thanks so much for this video :)
Thanks!
Thank You!!!
good work and ty !
Thanks glad it helped someone else!
Thank you. I have been saved thanks to your information.
I bought a used Rig Kontrol 3 but all the buttons did not work in Win 10
I suspected this might be a hardware malfunction.
But that was a misunderstanding. This was a software related issue.
Installation of Controller Editor 1.7.4 and recalibration of expression pedal solved everything.
I appreciate useful information.
Could this pedal work without PC and sw ? If I once set the midi chanel, program changes, cc in the Controll editor - will be settings saved in the pedal after turning off the pedal ? I would like to use this pedal with kemper... Thx for answer
I haven't tried using it as a MIDI foot controller, however I believe this is possible from forums and documentation. But if you want to switch 100% to using a Kemper, my recommendation would be to sell the Rig Kontrol 3 on Reverb and use that money to buy a dedicated MIDI foot controller instead. There's plenty of demand to be able to sell the Rig Kontrol since they stopped making them...
I can confirm - still works on latest Guitar Rig 5 and Windows 10 edition as at May 6, 2020 (v. 1909, build 18363.778)
Awesome, it helped me a lot! Is the RigKontrol compatible with W10 as an audio interface as well? Since I moved to W10, I am having lots of noises and popups, which made my RigKontrol kind of useless to play live, as an audio interface. So you have it working as well as a sound card? Thanks so much!
Thanks Ben, for the feedback. About the hardware related, I have a Thinkpad and a Macbook, both are able to handle GR. My issue was that, as I read in NI´s foruns, the audio driver for W10 was not really working. Which driver´s version do you have on your Windows machine? Thanks a lot!
@@guitarrazen I use the driver installed with Guitar Rig Pro it works. I've had no problems at all with dropouts or noise.
thank you bro !
You're welcome!
Hey thanks for the video, I went through your video and I am still having issues. I am running Mac OS X 10.10 and recently upgraded to GP5. The Kontrol 3 worked for GP4 but doesnt now for GP5. I can get sound, and the levels light up when I play, however, the buttons do not work and all I see are two horizontal lines where the preset number is. Any help!?!?!
I need to do more videos on this. I have decided to make a dedicated channel - it's called "Guitar Rig Guru" and I will address this particular issue there... sorry for the delay.
Thanks! :)
Didn't work for me, I think I may have a hardware issue
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Hi I already installed it but i cant see Guitar Rig on my Complete Editor's list. What can i do?
Did you mean the Komplete DAW software? I am not (unfortunately) familiar with that. I need a little more info to answer your question.
Thank you very much!!!!!!!! Controller Editor 1.7.4 is correct
You're welcome!! Please consider subscribing to my new channel "Guitar Rig Guru" which will be all about Guitar Rig Pro and such.
Спасибо тебе друг , просто красавчик очень помог )
Я очень рад помочь!
hey...first of all thank you for taking the time to do this vid...i use guitar rig and did for many years from when it started..i used on windows 7 pro and pedal worked great..my daw was pro tools at that time...now i use cubase 10.5 and windows 10...went to hook pedal and nothing..i followed all your instructions but still the pedal is seen in the kontakt and works there even exp pedal but not in guitar rig as vst in cubase....also the pedal has written con which i don't know what it means...i hope you can help..many thanks...
CON is the generic display when it first connects to the software. It normally will only work temporarily. I am not 100% sure but I believe you have the pedal in "performance" mode, and it will work fine if you are running GR standalone, but when you use GR in the DAW as a plugin, you will have to enable the RigKontrol in the DAW's MIDI hardware settings and assign it to the plugin. I use Cakewalk still as my DAW and this is what I had to do (though I normally only use the RigKontrol for live performance).
Still doesn't work for me.
I'm running the latest edition of Windows 10.. followed all the instructions
Maybe the expression pedal is actually broken?
Just bought this off ebay from a retailer
OMG te mereces el cielo mijo uwu
Welcome! Please subscribe to my other channel specifically on this topic: Guitar Rig Guru. I will be posting more videos there around the Native Instruments, BIAS, and Gig Performer soon.
So i can click the switches on the software and see the lights correspond on the RK3, but when I press the switches...nothing. What gives?
Not sure - I suspect you have a faulty unit. The switches on these are usually scanned by a microcontroller, and if one PCB connection breaks, or if one of the switches is stuck in the shorted position, it could stop all of them being scanned by the processor. I'd try opening it up and giving it a thorough cleaning with WD40 in the buttons and actuate each several times and see if that helps. Beyond that perhaps take it to a repair shop and ask them to look at it for you?
PLEASE HELP ME! my computer not found rig kontrol 3 (just red lamp). 5:24 - i have not connect.
Window 10, controller 1.7.4, USB 2.0
Did you try a different USB cable? Did you install the Native Instruments Rig kontrol driver first?
@@schematica oh thaks...I just did not specify the driver path to rig kontrol 3
Hey an important thing when you use both the rig kontrol 3 and the maschine jam:
I de-installed the most recent NI controller editor, installed the old version that supports the rig kontrol 3.
I configured my rig kontrol 3 as described.
But afterwards my maschine jam didn't work anymore.
After a while I realized that i forgot to reinstall the most recent NI controller editor back.
After installing the most recent controller editor Maschine jam worked again and the rig kontrol 3 kept working.
Too bad that changing rig kontrol to midi mode is only possible in the old controller editor because you need to do the uninstall-reinstall procedure every time.
I hope it helps someone expetiencing the same issue
This solution works, but then you are stuck with an older Controller Editor... You can have the same results going in the Guitar Rig 5 Preferences Form and click on the Reset Button at the "Rig Kontrol Pedal Callibration" Option
damn, thank for the tip, but for me doesn't work the calibration!
i did everything u sad but still not working...
i believe it for a moment... :(
It is possible yours is broken. But just try one thing - go to the preferences in GR and try doing the pedal calibration. That is normally the trick to get it working.
Before clicking calibrate, make sure the pedal is heel down, click calibrate, toe down, celebrate.
No. It does not show on that list. Even after installing the driver.
That means then, that you have the newest driver with the older Controller Editor, or the new version of Controller Editor. You must install the OLD driver, AND the OLD controller editor, for it to show in controller editor. If you install the newest driver, it will still work in Guitar Rig Pro 5 but not be visible in Controller Editor. And unfortunately it looks like it has to use controller editor to work in GR 6... but I'm working that out for a new video soon on my Guitar Rig Guru channel.
@@schematica needed to restart.
installer did not prompt for restart.
I’ve just got it working on Mac OS 10.14/Mojave after being told explicitly by NI themselves that it’s no longer able to function l.
Was told as Apple has implemented some kind of new hardware signature or as they conveyed - “It needs a chip that isn’t in it so therefore it’s not our fault as that’s apples requirement”
I’ve not heard of one other manufacturer of ANY piece of hardware cursing apple for requiring some new chip.
I can only assume it might of been a USB C issue mixed with NI desperate to end support.
I can’t wait to reply to NI support with my video evidence.
I am using GRP5 successfully with a 2017 Macbook Pro which uses only USB-type C connections. I am using the genuine Apple type-C to USB3.0 + HDMI + C dongle and it works in High Sierra, I'm going to start a new channel soon on GR Pro 5 - even though it's now older software I think it's worth having community support. I am dual-booting MacOS (just upgraded to Mojave) and Windows 10, and I'm going to do a video on that because audio drivers work better in Windows I think (but that's a separate topic!)
All that to say - Thanks for the comments and yes, it works for me. I suspect NI just don't really want to support it. I bet though, that with the help of marketing people like me who are loving users of GR, they could make this a very popular product... More to come!