Patrick Mahomes is the reason Derrick Henry struggled vs Chiefs -Whitlock | NFL | SPEAK FOR YOURSELF
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- Опубликовано: 19 янв 2020
- Jason Whitlock and Marcellus Wiley are joined by TJ Houshmandzadeh and Tony Gonzalez to discuss Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes. After an explosive performance in the AFC Title matchup against the Tennessee Titans, Whitlock believes Mahomes may have cemented himself as the best quarterback this season.
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Patrick Mahomes is the reason Derrick Henry struggled vs Chiefs -Whitlock | NFL | SPEAK FOR YOURSELF
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Is Patrick Mahomes the best player in the NFL?
Ur literally insane if u think Lamar is better. His style ain’t gonna last or work as well in the playoffs.
It's close because they're both MVPS of the league.
No doubt!!
Yes, why is this in doubt? MVP, every substantial passing record through a player's first 30 games. In a Super Bowl in his second season starting. We cannot discount what Mahomes has done in the postseason so far. He is 3-1 and Lamar is 0-2. So both have had incredible seasons but where is Lamar now? Where was he last year at this time? Come on.
Not even in the top 5
Imagine actually thinking lamar Jackson is better than mahomes😂
@@cjmemphis5905 yeah he is it's not close
James Williams nah
Lamar is 0-2 in the playoffs! And got whooped both times! He hasn't even had a close game in the playoffs his team got blown out both games
Tom Hood some of the greatest qbs never made it to their playoffs I their 1-2 year relax on him
Broward county Spam that just shows how good mahomes is he has been great in the playoffs every time
Did you really just gloss over the 50 TD's and 5000 yards in his 2nd year (1st year as a starter) and claim that Lamar beats Mahomes in his 2nd year comparison? That's just crazy. Not even having a logical argument here.
Skrinzz Ravens had the number 1 scoring offense this year what’s your point
And an AFC championship appearance
Mahomes is a QB, not RB
Skrinzz he took me bet the team
When we was 4-5 didn’t start the whole season
Lamar's first game vs Mahomes first game....that's plenty to look at right there. Lamar is good. He's impressed me and is the mvp. That said Mahomes in 3 weeks time has essentially shown up the mvp therefore Mahomes has finished stronger and started stronger. Therefore greater and yes Patrick is a top 2-3 player in the entire league. Number 1 QB though
Mahomes' second year smokes Jackson's.. this dude is high out his mind!
Yea wtf is he talking about lol man all these talk shows got at least one or two idiots
ian gallagher sr. It does not, he had one of the all time seasons
Mahomes has more weapons!
I do believe Mahomes has broke way more records..
5000 yards and 50 TDs... 1st seed in playoffs, and won a playoff game. No dis to Lamar but its 1-1.
there's no way you can legitimately believe lamar is anywhere near mahomes level. this man just tried to say lamar is close to mahomes as a passer LOL
He must be higher then, Whit looks in that wig.😂🤣😂🤣
He's an idiot. Nobody really believes Lamar is better than Mahomes
What he said was that LJ is closer to PM as a passer than PM is to LJ as a runner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Closes ppl to a passer to maholmes is Josh Allen and Rodgers
Jackson better
Who has the ability to come back from a big deficit? Who has the mindset to motivate their team when they are down? Who was pouting on the sidelines instead of motivating his guys? It is very obvious that Mahomes is better than Lamar Jackson
It’s crazy how ppl even think it’s close
Football is a team sport. Mahommes has the ability to make everyone else around him better, Jackson so far has not demonstrated this ability. Mahommes is without question the better player to have on your team. Jackson has incredible talent, but Mahommes will make your entire team better - he is a force multiplier.
I agree with all your points. In all fairness, Mahommes had a full year of under-study experiencing learning from a very smart QB in Alex Smith. I think this had a lot to do with his first year success. Jackson just does not have the talent that Mahommes has, and he will never be able to catch up and play at the same level. Also, Mahommes pretty much has a photographic memory... It's going to be very difficult for defenses to beat a guy that literally doesn't forget anything.
@Amir Khan agreed, but mahommes is a much better qb. Angry Lamar has a toxic attitude, I would much prefer mahommes on my team over Lamar.
Dude it’s not even close. I love Lamar Jackson, but Mahomes is on a whole different level!
Diff is one QB(Mahomes) has proven he can deliver even more so when game is outta control and through adverse situation. I feel like as gifted as Lamar is he need have evthing goin correctly around him... Kinda gets flustered when things get tough.. FACTS
I can’t believe they are saying this mahomes is way better than anyone they are talking about didn’t they beat the same people that ravens lost to and Wilson is a close call
I know but is Drew Bress Aaron Rodgers n Wilson not in the league?
@@32aburks who's still preforming and breaking all sorts of qb records in the playoffs rn ? Enough said.
Unfortunately for Lamar, Brees, Rogers and Wilson.... Showtime has Big Red in his back pocket! Best QB coach ever.
Who won the head to head? Mahomes whooped Lamar 🤷🏽♂️ 2-0
Truth right there.
Yup true DAT
Andrew Meyer Only speaking facts 🤷🏽♂️👍🏽
Why does everyone keep saying lamar vs mahomes it’s chiefs vs ravens idiots
It's obvious Mahomes is better
Mahomes is a QB 1st, who can run and is more accurate a passer.
Jackson is a running QB. When he panics he runs 1st before thinking about passing. And is not as accurate a passer.
Mahomes > Lamar and it's not even close.
Yes it is:
Lamar (in the regular season of 2019 played 9 LESS quarters than Mahomes of 2018.
(Lamar Jackson - 2019)
Total TDs - 43
Turnovers - 8
Total Yards - 4333
TD/Turnover Ratio - 5.375
(Patrick Mahomes - 2018)
Total TDs - 52
Turnovers - 14
Total Yards - 5369 (9 additional quarters)
TD/Turnover Ratio - 3.71
Lamar has the better ratio.!
yeah look how they played in the playoffs i dont see mahomes throwing 2 ints
@@abc_12333 stop it man, it's not even close. Cause Lamar cant pass
@@TaeRokk11B Lamar LED the NFL in TD passes but `Lamar can`t pass`. Please make sense. SMH`
@@TaeRokk11B I wouldn't say not even close.. but it is fa show mahomes.
Patrick Mahomes is the BEST IN THE LEAGUE period no QB can touch him
^
It's no question Mahomes is on track to be the best player in NFL history Lamar is a running back not a QB
@@Aaron-rv2jl who can throw the ball he's good but not Patty Mahomeboy
Well Russell Wilson is a close 2nd
Watson in Andy Reid system he be just as great
Patrick Mahomes Resume:
31 NFL starts ( Regular season)
NFL MVP
- 2 AFC championship game appearances
- 1 AFC championship title
- 3-1 playoff record
- Superbowl appearance
- 2 division titles
- 2 time pro bowler
- 1 time all pro
Career stats:
9,412 yards
76 touchdowns
18 interceptions
108.9 passer rating
Lamar Jackson:
22 NFL Starts (Regular Season)
0-2 playoff record
Likely Nfl MVP
2 division titles
1x Pro bowler
1x All pro
Career stats:
4,328 yards
42 touchdowns
9 interceptions
104.7 passer Rating
Jack Wemply Patrick mahomes is also 24 years old with THAT RESUME
@@michaelrudden8215
insane
Jack Wemply 2 division titles for Lamar he won the division last year
R H it doesn’t matter he can’t win playoff games and that’s gonna hurt his resume
Lamar jackson a God.... wins is team success
Chiefs was a playoff team before mahomes arrived. Ravens was a laughing stock terrible offense until lamar arrived
Both qbs great but lamar impact more for sureee
I’m tired of hearing about Lamar not having weapons. He has 12 pro bowlers. They both have amazing teams and they both play their style of quarterback at an elite level
@Joshua Johnson Lmao yeah with all those drops he clearly didnt need receivers eh? Stop it every QB needs receivers
Friends Of Red Demi they weren’t dropping balls in the regular season. They were rusty
@@austinthompson7394 What exactly does that matter lmao? They dropped them and couldn't get open in the one game that mattered. Very next week that same defense has a better receiving core running wild, wide open all over them.
Austin Thompson Lamar doesn’t have the receiving talent that Mahomes has to put up the gaudy numbers he does.
@@austinthompson7394 Yes they did. Andrews had 7 drops during the regular season alone.
Lamar is good but he can't compared to Patrick Mahomes
Stevone Capone I also think he has the perfect coach
Stevone Capone the fact that analysts are trying to like they’re not two completely different players is crazy
@@LebengJames right
Mahomes has more passing TDs and yards in his first season as a starter than Lamar has in his whole career
Factual statement
What about these all time rushing yards??
loudy he’s talking about throwing yards lmao with 22 starts under his belt Lamar is a little over 4K yards. He’s no where near the passer Mahomes is
@@AceBoogie_41 lol ik he's talking about his passing yards but I'm asking what about Lamar's rushing yards? All time record & he's gonna be the mvp too
loudy the MVP means nothing when the ultimate objective is to win championships and not individual awards. Mahomes already has an MVP too so there’s no point in even bringing that up lmfao
Mahomes is always discredited for having great players around him, is it possible that Mahomes elevates the people around him. Hill+Kelce we’re great with Alex Smith, they’re at another level with Mahomes. Lamar and Russell Wilson also have superior running games compared to Mahomes possibly better defenses.
is Marcellus just waking up from a coma? Does he know Pat won the MVP just last season? Jesus christ.
If Lamar is better, why is he sitting at home during the Superbowl? Lamar Jackson was exposed in that play game and that gimmick offense
Product of a soft schedule also
Not the best logic
Exactly Patrick mahomes second year he lead the chiefs to the afc championship lost in OVERTIME WHERE HE DIDNT TOUCH THE BALL lamar got smoked in the playoffs
That’s true but you do realise that the Titans played 4 road games before playing the chiefs, these were the teams, the Saints, the Texans, the Patriots and then the Ravens, do think maybe the reason Mahomes was able to run over them in the second half might have something to do with that? Guess we will see in the SB when the 49’ers destroy the Chiefs , don’t worry u have 2 weeks to prepare excuses
SuperJohn12354 why do these 9er fans act like the chiefs are jobbers? These ain’t your daddy’s chiefs. These ain’t the chiefs y’all used to give your used quarterbacks to. This is Patrick Mahomes led chiefs. Apparently a lot of people are still sleeping. We’re Heisenberg. We’re the danger. Chiefs ain’t scurr’d. Mahomes never lost a game by more than a touchdown and the last time we played, Jimmy G injured himself & we whooped y’all. Put y’all on a few highlight reels
As a 49er fan from the outside looking in.. Mahomes over Lamar for sure.
I appreciate your opinion. I think all my fellow Chiefs fans are making the other comments! 🙂😂
Mahomes has beaten Lamar Jackson and the Ravens twice. Wiley has no clue.
Imagine having a brain that makes you think Lamar or any other QB is as good as Patrick Mahomes. I feel sorry for those individuals.
Alex smith had them. He never took them all the way. Plus, K. Hunt.
Will plus he had a much better defense than Mahomes as well
Man.. what if my chiefs still had KAREEM HUNT.. SCARY
@@skrillaforilla9665 still in Superbowl Damian William's doesn't get credit and he deserves some hes so underrated
@@Aaron-rv2jl I agree, I like Williams...Just saying, KAREEM HUNT was perfect in this system..
@@skrillaforilla9665 till he kicked people 😂😪😭LOL
Wiley thinks he's smarter than he actually is. Lamar Jackson LOST to the Titans and Patrick Mahomes WON. Mahomes is better plain and simple.
Mahomes is great but he has way more weapons than Lamar has and Andy Ried. I believe both of them are definitely going to run things in the AFC going forward.
H-Town Lifer Texans literally just lost to the chiefs shut up
@H-Town Lifer Texans need to get rid of Bill O'Brien...btw the Chiefs were down all kinds of players when the Texans beat them. This is coming from a Texans fan lol
@Red HawK15 Why couldn't the big bad Ravens defense do the same? Lol
Red HawK15 no they won because unlike Lamar mahomes didn’t have 3 turnovers
Andy Reid finally doing the right thing. Running the ball a lot in the third quarter. That’s usually when Derrick Henry explodes. They didn’t give him the opportunity for that. And then the Titans panicked
The ran Derrick Henry out of the game figuratively and literally.
He is a great coach.
One more game left dont say hes doing the right thing😂 hes known for choking😂😂and superbowl is in 2 weeks
PINASI, ANSU ÑJUKA ÑINGÉ I mean Henry can’t do much if he only gets 3 touches in the 2nd haft which is when things get big for him. Yeah his 1st haft was as expected things were going to plan but then pat scored and score and The defense didn’t really stop it
@@Knglope. wheres your team at?
Mahomes second year was 50/5000 lamar didn’t touch that last year
Ok, Peyton and Tom both got 50/5000 seasons. There is only 1 Lamar as far as this year.
Lamar had 4300+ total yds and 43 total tds that's pretty close and he sat out multiple 4th quarters and didn't play week 17
Exactly
@@Humphking no only peyton got 50/5000. Brady in the year he hit his 50 he was under 5000 yards. Only peyton and mahomes done the 50/5000. May wanna google before you try to convince ppl your arguement
@@Humphking but Lamar is at home. Why we acting like playoffs don't count? Of course they do and both years Mahomes has been more successful than Lamar. Last year 1-1 and this year 2-0. If there was a tie, that breaks the tie without a doubt. Plus Mahomes can still rush for 500-600 while throwing for 4,500. Give me 52 TDs over 43 TDs any day.
Lamar WOULNT EVEN BE THE MVP IF PAT DIDNT GET HURT!
ATL 1 is he wrong tho
dont know how popular this will be but i still believe that russ wilson is the MVP
ATL 1 “if” is a bronsexual thing
@@mikeatwood1975 he didn't even win his own division he can't be MVP.
NO! Cheifs defence is the reason why henry struggled!!
If was both
nah sorry dog, 50td and 5k yards in year 2 going to afc champ game and losing on a penalty by far eclispses everything lamar did this year.
The playoffs - yes. But not the 50td and 5k yards on its own:
Lamar in the Regular Season of 2019 played 9 LESS quarters than Mahomes of 2018.
(Lamar Jackson - 2019)
Total TDs - 43
Turnovers - 8
Total Yards - 4333
TD/Turnover Ratio - 5.375
(Patrick Mahomes - 2018)
Total TDs - 52
Turnovers - 14
Total Yards - 5369 (9 additional quarters)
TD/Turnover Ratio - 3.71
Lamar has the better ratio!
@@abc_12333 9 less quarters? What are you talking about?
@@TruthSeeker-uo5uf Lamar didn't`play in week 17 (4 quarters) and he sat out the 4th quarter 5 times (4+5=9) because he had a huge lead on his opponents. RG3.played in those 4th quarters
@@TruthSeeker-uo5uf He is saying lamar is better cause he didn tplay last game this year and lost his first playoff game.
@@abc_12333 lmao ur dumb
Patrick easily had the better 2nd year
Easily and would have been mvp this year had he been healthy
Not true:
Lamar in the Regular Season of 2019 played 9 LESS quarters than Mahomes of 2018.
(Lamar Jackson - 2019)
Total TDs - 43
Turnovers - 8
Total Yards - 4333
TD/Turnover Ratio - 5.375
(Patrick Mahomes - 2018)
Total TDs - 52
Turnovers - 14
Total Yards - 5369 (9 additional quarters)
TD/Turnover Ratio - 3.71
Lamar has the better ratio!
Brian Gosvener Easily??? That’s false, and disrespectful to the great season Lamar showcased this season.
The fact is because Mahomes is a more traditional quarterback style everyone will always value what Lamar does less. If Lamar goes on a Super Bowl run next year and even wins he will still be compared to Mahomes super bowl run this year and people will say Mahomes did it better because he did it more traditionally. Lamar will never get the respect he deserves
fisher foster And when he wins a super bowl he’ll be a lucky system QB carried by his team. You can just never earn the respect of some people.
no
I take mahomes alll day every day come on man
What you been smoking Marcellus?or either you been hit in the head too many times during your lackluster career 🤔😂😂 Mahomes is clearly the best qb in the game.
I need to apply for a job at FOX, apparently they’re pretty relaxed with their drug policy 🤷🏾♂️
Who's in the super bowl and who's not? That's all I'll say.
Thing is to is Ravens have the better defense too, so it's no question
Their defense couldn’t stop the titans 😂😂
@@Aaron-rv2jl they don't have a better defense than the Patriots
@@AD-eq4kn Pat's defense is overrated they gave like what 27 to the Dolphins they had a easy schedule and when the schedule actually got hard they went 4 and 4and the defense got exposed especially against the Titans
Unfair because Andy Reid? The ravens scheme is literally perfect for Lamar’s skill set lol
Mahomes and its not even close.
Has Mahomes EVER had a bad game in the NFL? I’m thinking somewhere around 37 starts.... ya.. freakin crazy! It’s like Andy and Pat are a real life NFL cheat code.... Props to Lamar because this season I saw him make stud defenders look like amateurs but as far as the best Quarterback in the league.... it’s all Showtime Mahomes
#chiefskingdom
Mahomes is my boy and my fav QB! He did have one bad game so far that was against the rams week 11 of the 2018 season. He was trying to do too much and basically gave the game to the Rams. But other than that game he has been on fire and unbelievable!!🔥🔥🔥 🙌 Go Chiefs
Indianapolis this year is the only one that is close to bad, but even that was just average by the advanced metrics . Even that wasn't actually that bad. He has 0.03 EPA passing (normal for a QB is around 0.07) with 8.2 yards per pass and 58.0 Total QBR which is around the league average. Chiefs running game was really the problem getting 2.6 yards per carry that would be even worse without Mahomes 3 scrambles for 17 yards.
@@NicolasRazor1 you're totally wrong about at Rams last year. No QB who puts up 44 offensive points had a bad game. Even with the turnovers, he still had a good game (not great, but still good).
This year’s Indy game - 22/39 with 321yds, 1TD & 0 Int. Passer Rating 91.9
Last year’s Rams - 33/46 with 478yds, 6TD & 3 Int. Passer Rating 117.6
Like I said.... has he ever had a BAD game? The answer is unbelievably, not yet.....
His worst game was when he won the Super Bowl MVP... not too shabby
Mahomes had the better 2nd yr
exactly
@Tom Ross TV Mahomes had the 2nd greatest year for a QB ever in his 2nd year! TF you mean.
@Tom Ross TV i mean, who's going to SB?
Yup! 52 Total TDs vs 43 Total TDs in year 2.
Tom Ross TV and yet Lamar is sitting at home now. Like any other rushing qb Lamar will fizzle out. He has an arm and talent but they can’t keep letting him take those hits.
"If I'm at a club and I see two hot women, I'd go ask for Mahomes' number".
Maven Frankeus very telling
If Lamar so good how you lose to Tannehill
Because football is a team game. He lost to the Titans not Tannehill. Stop reducing the ultimate team game to 1 v 1.
Lamar lost to derrick henry 😂😂💯
It's a team game the titans beat kc early in the season too remember and the Ravens beat San Francisco earlier to so what will you say after the Bowl if the 49ers smoke the Chiefs to be continued I guess
Marty Mcfly thats exactly what I’m saying I don’t get how people reduce it to qb vs qb
Why?
What are they smoking?
11:33 😂😂ohhhhh that hurt in Tony Gonzalez’ face...YIIIIKES
These comments... 😬😬
😂😂 my boy Ingraven
Whitlock you’re such a freakin fool. You’ve been hating on the Chiefs and Mahomes so much. Your home team. Now you’re bandwagoning. No credibility!
Jason always cheered for them why do you trolls keep making up fake reasons to bash jason? on every video he praise Kansas city and Mahomes.....you people dont really watch the shows do you?
I want to see Whitlock wear that KC wig after the Superbowl.
IsmokeHiphop Live because he’s a crossdresser, a woman in drag
Ravens couldn’t put points on Titian’s and mahomes could so there for mahomes is better
That simple
Haha if only the nfl was that simple
Titans played 4 road games before playing the Chiefs and ran out of gas hence why they could CONTEXT it’s a wonderful thing
Stupid comment smh
@@SuperJohn12354 lmao nope
Lamar had the best year, he deserves the mvp, but as a chiefs fan I wouldn’t trade anything for mahomes 🤷♂️
Mahomes has 93 total tds the last two seasons including the postseason including 6 rushing tds. Thrown for 1188yrds in 4 post season games for 11 tds and rushed in 2 more. That’s 10,316 yards in two seasons with 93 total. Or 87 thrown tds to 17 total interceptions, over a 5 to 1 career td to interception ratio including zero interceptions in the playoffs. Lamar was amazing this season but to say his first and second seasons were better than Patrick’s is a tale of being caught in the moment. First two seasons combined Lamar has 45 passing tds and 12 rushing. So 57 total with 4887 yrds passing and 2098 yrds rushing with 12 ints with an 0-2 record in the playoffs and an 0-2 record vs Patrick Mahomes.
Tldr version:
Career stats mahomes. 10.316 yrds 87tds 17 ints 6 rushing tds 2-0 vs 3-1 playoffs
Career stats jackson 4887 yrds 45 tds 12 ints 12 rushing tds 0-2 vs 0-2 playoffs
All these Mahomes haters are forgetting one thing, every quarterback they've mentioned is on their couch right now. Mahomes is playing for the all the marbles. End of story. And it will be that way next year, and the year after that, and the year after that....
What's better is Watson and Jackson have to go through Mahomes for years and years to come just to have a shot.
I'd rank them in this order among AFC young QBs:
1) Mahomes (Best passer by a far margin)
2) Watson (good at everything, but bad offensive coach)
3) Lamar (decent passer, but great runner)
Right
Pat Mahomes proved he can do it with sub par talent in his first start week 17 2017. He had no Tyreek Hill or Kareem Hunt that day. He made Albert Wilson look amazing that day.
Did that fool just compare lamar’s and Mahomes 2nd year performance?????? Lmaoooooooooooo WOW
Jackson better than Mahomes?
Puh-leeze!
Patrick Lionheart Mahomes is about to become the Goat the Story starts Feb 2 Let's go Chiefs💥👊💥
@john bush you are right when we win feb 2 I got a feeling we will try to go back to back or even a 3 peat
@GoKart Mozart we are not Scared of you 49ers
Mahomes is 100% the best player or at the very least best QB in the NFL. He's the best. Period. Lamar will get better at passing I'm sure of it but Mahomes is far and away the best QB in the NFL.
Mahomes had a way better 2nd year. 50 TDS and made it to the Conference Championship!
exactly
An argument can be made thar Lamar did that in his first year considering the games played and the amount of quarters played. He sat out the 4th quarter of 5 games.
Imagine if they give him the weapons that Mahonnes have he would be unstoppable.
@@bakugosrage8976 Lamar isn't on Mahomes level.
@@bakugosrage8976 can Lamar Jackson throw the ball out of the stadium?
Primarily running QBs put up some great numbers but never seem to make it when it comes playoff time.
No comparison Mahomes’ second year compared to Lamar’s. What is this guy smoking?
I'll take Mahomes 52 total TDs vs Lamar's 43 total TDs any year.
There IS a comparison! It`s close:
Lamar in the Regular Season of 2019 played 9 LESS quarters than Mahomes of 2018.
(Lamar Jackson - 2019)
Total TDs - 43
Turnovers - 8
Total Yards - 4333
TD/Turnover Ratio - 5.375
(Patrick Mahomes - 2018)
Total TDs - 52
Turnovers - 14
Total Yards - 5369 (9 additional quarters)
TD/Turnover Ratio - 3.71
Lamar has the better ratio!
@@abc_12333 And what about the playoffs?
@@akin242002 Mahomes clearly has the edge in the playoffs. My point is that the regular season is close. Closer than everyone thinks.
@@abc_12333 Lamar played one less game in 2019 than Mahomes played in 2018. Don't forget the Chiefs defense was dead last in 2018 forcing Mahomes to keep producing scoring drives so they finished 13-3. The Ravens defense was a top 3 unit in 2019. Mahomes put up better numbers because he faced more adversity.
Marcellus Wiley makes me laugh. Mahomes is by far the best player in the league. Jackson is good. He is a great runner but his overall skills and talent aren't close to Mahomes.
Mahomes & Jackson have played the same amount of games. Jackson will never have 50 TDs & 5K yards passing.
Lamar will throw for 4500 yards and run for 1500 yards next year. and 60 TDs. He's going to change the game even more and win a superbowl.
George Houston I can personally guarantee that will not happen. Defenses will figure him out and he will not have near the season he had this year. Hope he enjoys his mvp because it’s the last one he’ll ever win.
@Captain Obvious never.
@@travisbarber2616 I am going to set a reminder to come back to this post next year after he wins the superbowl and smashes total yardage and td records.
George Houston lol that comment isn’t going to age well. Can’t wait for him to choke in the playoffs again.....if he even makes it
There is not a Baltimore Raven fan that will take Lamar over Patrick Mahomes. Patrick is at another level.
Lamar is like James Harden in the NBA.
I call him "HH"
High in stats, Home for playoffs
Who cares who’s better? Let them both be great.
Mahomes was the reason the cheifs made it to the AFC championship game last year
@Shane H Smith had kelce and Hill too...
@Shane H sorry, i thought you said he is not that good because he has weapons.
Dude Mahomes ain’t learning nothing from Lamar Jackson.
1 thing to consider. When the chiefs got down 24 - 0, mahomes was going up & down the line with his teamates, encouraging, pumping them up. Lamar went to the bench to sit by himself... so...
RELENTLESS ATTITUDE AND CHAMPIONSHIP SWAGGER!!!
Mahomes In playoff career: 11 Passing Tds and 0 Ints.
Jackson in his playoff career: 3 Ints. (2 ints this years playoffs) would bring up Td’s but he can’t seem to score in the playoffs
IrvinBeast don’t forget the fumbles he has had both games as well. Much respect to Lamar but he isn’t Patrick Mahomes 🤷♂️
Yeah they're both obviously elite as MVPs of the league, but the big games are where Pat separates
Lamar playoffs
'18 248yds 2TD 1Int 1FumL
'19 508yds 1TD 2Int 1FumL
W/L 0-2
TD/TO ratio: 3/5 or .6
Pat playoffs
'18 286yds 1TD 0Int 0FumL
304yds 3TD 0Int 0FumL
'19 374yds 5TD 0Int 0FumL
347yds 4TD 0Int 0FumL
W/L 3-1
TD/TO ratio: 13/0 or infinity
2nd year goes to Mahomes he won the MVP
But he didn't throw for 5k and 50 and he didn't make to the AFC Championship.
@@kansascityshuffle4141 and thank you Kansas City shuffle but I didn't want to sound like I was just bragging on Mahomes
He was great, just not as good as Mahomes and didn't win a playoff game.
Is Marcellus is slow? His initial points are becoming more and more awful. Lamar Jackson still can’t make throws on the outside. Mahomes runs when needed and can make any throw. Lamar Jackson had the titans set the edge on the rpo and his impact from running was nullified. Mahomes has lost Kareem hunt and is still wheeling and dealing against top defenses. Marcellus bruh. Just stop it
john bush marquises brown and Andrews are good targets. Mahomes has a better cast but don’t act like lamar doesn’t have anyone
I like the playlists on the channel now!
Enjoyed show thanks !
Every week Mahomes wins Marcelloues don’t want to shut up about Lamar🤔
TJ is right. mahomes is the best but there is a lot of good players in the league. Mahomes undoubtedly benefits from Andy Reid and amazing weapons. I do think he’s the best.
If lamar wants to ever be included in the same stratosphere as mahomes then he should try winning a playoff game.
4:25 Lol Wiley just SNITCHED ON HIMSELF!!!
Andy just has to stay aggressive..ill always love him as a eagle fan but hea not aggressive enough..he has to keep his foot on the gas and run up the score board for the superbowl..KEEP SCORING!!!
Do not slow down.
The guy in blue is always hating on Mahomes
Yung Zeb he’s a Lamar Jackson fanboy
It’s crazy when Cam Newton was doing this a few years ago, you would never count his rush TDs or rush yards in the stat line. You only look at past yard and pass touchdown. The hypocrisy is ridiculous.
Exactly! Lamar's season was nearly the same as Cam's MVP year. The only major difference is Cam ran over defenders, and Lamar jukes them out of their cleats. Also Lamar is better at intermediate throws.
@@akin242002 his career will last about as long too. Can't be a running qb and be 15 years in this league
You sound clinically insane. There is no season even close to Lamar's season on the books except Lamar. Cam ran people over Lamar ran out of bounds or around people. Lamar sat out 3 week before his playoff game. Next year Lamar will throw for 4500 yards and run for 1500 yards next year. He's going to change the game even more and win a superbowl.
@@georgehoustonofficial He needs to win a playoff game first. Been embarrassed off the field two years in a row now in the post season. Both at home. He's a great QB with the lead. Needs to become a better QB when playing from behind.
I think he can get there too and become that guy. I also think every time he takes off and runs he's playing Russian roulette with his body and eventually he's gonna take a hit that's going to end his season. If he wants to have a long career he'll need to tone the running down or his career will mimic Cam's
this dude has brain worms if he thinks that lamar jackson had a better second year than mahomes' 5000 yd 50 TD year
You can't fault Mahomes for sitting a season when the Chiefs had a good quarterback at the time. Especially, when after the first game he starts the decision is made to go with him the next season. By the way, I've been a Chiefs fan for 28 years. Even I don't think it's clear Mahomes is the best. There are just way too many variables that go into a team's and quarterback's success. If Mahomes plays for a different coach and that coach tries to break those "bad habits" from college then maybe we're not even talking about him. Reid let Mahomes be Mahomes. They wouldn't have traded away so many future picks to move up and get Mahomes if they wanted to morph him into something else. Mahomes landed with the right team, right coach, at the right time. That being said, he took that advantage to the max. Another quarterback may have squandered it.
I agree with you to a certain extent. Your argument about what if Andy Reid decided to do this or that can be said about John Harbaugh and LamarJackson...what if Harbaugh didn't reconstruct the offense around Lamar's strengths, would we be talking about him having an MVP season? At the end of the day, Mahomes' abilities as a passer are greater than Lamar's. Lamar is a threat to any defense because what he adds in the run game, but the Titans showed that it's easier to stop what Lamar does than it is to stop what Pat does. It's not that many variables involved when you consider that both players have exactly what they need to be successful when it comes to system, coaching and complimentary pieces.
Let's also remember that Patrick Mahomes has now thrown 50 TDs in 3 seasons (KC, Texas Tech, HS) of his young life. Andy Reid doesn't get all the credit. Mahomes works really hard at football.
@@camerondavis8356 I'm not discounting what he's done in any way. I'm just saying if he gets a coach that doesn't let him go be him things may be different. I don't know about his high school, but his college coach was all about the air raid so the coach does matter.
@@johnb3898 I totally believe Mahomes' success is way more sustainable than Lamar. I would rather have a QB that can run just well enough to keep it in the back of the defense's mind than a QB that heavily rely on it running. I've heard people talk about how the longevity of a running QB may be longer because of the rule changes to protect QBs, but once the QB is a runner he's fair game just like anyone else. I think Mahomes could elevate an on team where Lamar wouldn't be able to.
I don’t understand the “he has more weapons” argument? Obviously that’s exactly what a GM is supposed to do get the best players they possibly can! It’s not mahomes fault other GM’s can’t do what ours can.
Wiley will never talk bad about his own or talk well about a mixed dude. Just an observation I've started to recently notice. At times its appreciated but sometimes it's just not accurate.
Thank you Marcellus
I’m amazed Tony G hasn’t decided to come out of retirement for the SB! Lol. All he had to do is stay in the red zone and just wait for the Mahomes lasers to him! Lol.
Raphael Rau Kelce kinda more than makes up
Lamar Jackson aint even in the same stratosphere as mahomes...they couldn't score on the titans
I appreciate TJ mentioning Mike Thomas in that conversation
Tony taking a sip @11:53🐸☕️ 🤣
Anybody that think Lamar Jackson is in same league as Patrick Mahomes is an idiot. Mahomes is best player in league. Easily, whenever you’re ahead or behind you’re always in contention. I love how people point to Chiefs receivers. They got Kelce and Hill (who btw missed some games and Mahomes was still great). Sammy Watkins just had his first TD since week 1 I believe and now we’re propping up. He’s been a disappointment as an NFL player. Hardman, is a rookie. Demarcus Robinson can’t catch
Kansa city wide out core is overrated. Mahomes makes them great
Tutti Frutti Again, Sammy Watkins TD yesterday was his first since week 1. Let that sink in. He’s vastly under achieved. Damian Williams ain’t anything special. He’s a product of facing light boxes. Kelce and Hill are special. But you’d think he had 1st rounders everywhere.
Red HawK15 he’s a pro bowler as a returner not a receiver. Robinson? Are you kidding me? The guy can’t catch and you wanna start bigging him up. McCoy, this is nowhere near the McCoy in Buffalo let alone Philly. The only great weapons he had are Hill and Kelce.
Marcellus is nut-ridin Lamar Jackson🤡
Mahomes is a GOAT in the making💪🏿
Jackson is a great player. Mahomes is a field general. He is a real leader.
LMAO I love these
If DeShaun had a competent defense and coach he would be in the discussion as the best
Malik McKenzie agreed
No he wouldn't. And the reason why can be seen in that game they lost last week to KC. KC was down 24-0 and Mahomes on the sideline, not sitting, not sulking, but figuring it out and motivating his team to get back into it. Deshaun was sitting on the bench and just watching his team give up a 24 point lead. There was no urgency whatsoever on the field from Deshaun. He isn't the leader Mahomes is. It isn't just about ability/talent.
Lamar never had 50 TD passes. Sorry, but Mahomes is so much better than every other QB right now.
Lamar sat out 2 games he would of had over 50 TD's
@Red HawK15 The stats this seasona are moot; Mahomes led his team to the super bowl with 8 TD passes in two games and beat the team that smashed the Ravens in the mouth. Mahomes is better. Any and all arguments to the contrary are gonna fall short
Red HawK15 they are moot. Unless he’s reached 50 then...? Mahomes got hurt this year still almost threw for 30 TDS. That argument is one thing, which Mahomes wins, and he also wins in post season. Telling people to shut up haha. Fool.
40 TDs is not better statistically than 50 TDs. Surely you know math.
Tony's face is golden lmao
5000 yards 50 TD in one season enough said!
I'm a better analysts then these dudes Stephen A Smith said some of the same stupid s*** trying to say weapons and who has weapons and who does not cut it out Patrick Mahomes just a great quarterback
Mahomes is the greatest QB I’ve ever had the privilege of watching. He’s lucky that he got to study Smith and learn for a year. Lamar went straight into it and it shows .. kind of all over the place. Jackson reminds me of Kaepernick
At 11:52 Tony G had to sip something because Wiley brought up the Gronk comparison. Lol.
True but team success resonates and people are always gonna remember that over the success of an individual,especially when the team wins superbowls and championships.
Lamar Jackson won’t have another season like he had same thing happen to cam newton
Lamar will get a wideout or 2 next year and change the game.
Lamar Jackson choke back to back in the playoffs mahomes last year to the afc champ now the Superbowl
That Tony/Gronk comment was 🔥🔥🔥
Mahomes is literally Bret Favre with Rodgers arm and accuracy. It’s insanity, there’s no debate.