It's good to hear this from a male detransitioner. The reason I've always doubted that "transness" exists is because they mostly wear such stereotypical clothing.
That's a rather absurd position. Transsexuals clearly exist because they physically modify their body to match the sex they identify with. Intersex people clearly exist and modify their bodies to match the sex they identify with. To claim that somebody's physical existence and lived experience isn't real because of their clothing choices is bizarre.
@@FaerieQueenCaelia There is no such thing as transsexuality because you can't change sex. And of course there are people who claim to be the other sex. I didn't say anything about intersex people.
@@eb3222 Yet transsexuals can get documents from medical professionals and the state, clearly stating that they have changed sex, or showing their new sex. What you mean is, your version of reality supercedes the medical profession and the state? Got it.
@@FaerieQueenCaeliaintersex people don't adjust their bodies to match their identity. Intersex people are either male with female characteristics or female with male characteristics. The idea that someone exists between the sexes is simply not true
How on Earth do they presume to know that they “pass pretty consistently”? If they didn’t pass (and of course they don’t), how do they think they would know?
If a transwoman is getting clocked by dressing more masculine, that person is not passing. You are right, people are likely simply being kind. If she dresses like a "tomboy," others will read it as a signal that she is trying to look like a guy and they will respond to what seems like a signal that, "Yeah, I am a guy after all." Of course, if she dresses "femme," then she is signaling how she wants to be addressed, and kind people will accommodate this. I wouldn't call it regressive in every case but sometimes "desperate." Such transwomen may as well wear a badge announcing their preferred pronouns. I had the opposite experience. I had my hair cut quite short in a man's fashion. I wore guy's clothes. I tried my best to "butch it up" from a behavioral perspective. After a year of this, I was called "sir" exactly once. Given how the rest of the world was reacting to me under various circumstances, I could only assume it was a "courtesy 'sir.'" The guy at the UPS office was probably just being nice. Either that, or he was really busy, not really paying attention, and reacted to a couple of visual hints out of the corner of this eye. I really disliked the "courtesy sir." It seemed so disingenuous. Why bother? I felt like an actor trying to play a part only to get people to like me. I can't see why someone would spend their life playing a part, only to have people be "nice" to you rather than responding to you with genuine perception. If I did not naturally pass for female as I have (at least in real life, in natural lighting conditions and common settings), I may not have bothered transitioning in the first place (which was oddly anticlimactic). Really, why bother? (Hence, why it was easy for me to give up.) To me, the only reason I could see that someone would put up with that would be desperation. Are some transwomen regressive? Absolutely. Are some more desparate instead, using stereotype dress codes as a crutch? I think so.
For me as a GNC woman the "courtesy sir" doesn't really seem to happen to me. Maybe it's because I live in a red state but when I'm called "he" or "sir" it's usually by non-woke people (usually 30+) who assume I'm just a slightly feminine looking teenage boy. The woke ones are confused usually because my "gender presentation" is androgynous and it doesn't look like I'm trying to signal that I want to be a man, woman or neither.
@@BillPhlorgian nothing really. I don't care what other people think I am. It's nice to be mistaken for a dude but at the end of the day I know I'm not one. I do experience mild levels of GD but not enough to transition. I come from an immigrant family and it would be a shame to disappoint them.
What a great reminder that while i've never understood fashion as a female, it would be 2x as difficult to be "what do I like" with "will it help me pass." My own fashion rules are "am I trying to look younger than I am" with "does the color and fabric make me feel good or squeezed and uncomfortable." I am totally with you -- you do you, and we all keep trucking along without triple checking ourselves on "who is that person" vs "what do they want me to think they are" vs "can I guess correctly or do I avoid pronouns forever." The mental gymnastics is exhausting. I'm waiting for the kids to get into building a family age to realize our bodies aren't just soul identities...
I have gotten heat for saying this but, well, the entirety of the trans rhetoric is based on regressive gender rules limits and stereotypes. YES we as a people need to DE-stigmatize males presenting in a "feminine" manner. When I wear my styles, I wear it because I LIKE IT, not in order to look more feminine, nor even look more masculine. I am me, and I wish more males would just do such as I do, no matter the orientation. I honestly do not want to be perceived as gay either, not because I am homophobic, but because I'M NOT GAY. Men should be free to wear skirts, dresses, short shorts, whatever (in short, do away with the sexist dress codes written and unwritten).
I love your detailed thoughts and analysis. Thank you for expressing yourself, your experience and perspective can help many people, trans and non trans. We are all wanting to understand
I'm going to be honest with you, being a MaB who wants to be more expressive with feminine/female clothing is much more strongly looked down on and would make people clock you more as a creep then a MaB who simply decides to go through transitioning. Arguably speaking the rise of males who identify as none-binary are people who fall into this camp on tiktok, and they are the people who get the most attack from the "gender critical group." It was the AGP I think named phily who was the one that ended up getting attacked a lot more over another person who was a trans women that mostly passed unnoticed at that conference. This was pointed out in the beginning of one of Benjamin boyoces interviews. But it does go to highlight that at the end of the day even in the "gender critical spaces." I mean sure its possible to try and do it without hormones, dress feminine, get good at make up, and I agree this helps a lot for the most part. But the reality is you will never be seen as acceptable in society as someone who is a trans women on hormones, if you were to start before age 25 or 28 do a good job with modest clothing and great looking makeup 9 out of 10 times most people would identify you with the secondary sex characteristics more so out in public then your primary sex characteristics if you don't tell them your trans. It sucks and is painful but that is just how it goes.
Keep in mind regardless if on hormones feminine clothing just feels amazing and when I don't feel like I have to live in fear of other people, does allow me to just feel comfortable in a way I don't often get to feel.
>>>I'm going to be honest with you, being a MaB who wants to be more expressive with feminine/female clothing is much more strongly looked down on and would make people clock you more as a creep then a MaB who simply decides to go through transitioning. Disagree. I think the general public is far more accepting of gender nonconforming men who own being men without reservation than they are about transitioned males who LARP as women, use single-sex spaces, play on the female sports team, and insist everyone use "she/her" despite almost never actually passing as female. Besides, it's important to be your own judge and be the change you want to see and make decisions based on your principles not because you're worried about society's approval.
@@RayAlexWilliams Go ask phil illy what his experience was liked for trying to be himself at conference as he was attacked and mocked by many people when he got up to asked questions to raise awareness of AGPs. Tell that in the news article of one male in who was none passing that chose to use the correct male bathroom ended up getting mocked and later one of the boys at the school punched his face and broke his jaw. If you look at the None-binary craz right now this is a good example of how people do not accept men who try to just present feminine without putting in some level of more effort to present female. You don't even have to do the support trans women in female supports. Only time I think bathrooms are fine to use would be in rare cases when there are a few trans women who do end up getting clocked more as females then males if possible.
If you wear a ball gown in bright blue to a class in university, people are going to stare, point and snigger, even were you a woman. Phil does it to provoke, the same as naked people in Pride parades…he needs the attention. So as a ‘TERF’, let me promise you it isn’t about men dressing feminine, but about AGP’s accessing female only spaces.
@@RayAlexWilliamsI agree! And back a few decades ago it was much more common for punk men to wear nail polish, to wear makeup (they were being “edgy” but it was still a cool look), and to even wear skirts. We had a few punk guys in school who wore pink nail-polish and eyeliner, and occasionally would wear skirts (with anarchy patches on them lol). They were guys, there was never any question in themselves or others, they were not trying to be women, they used the men’s bathroom, one of them was on the (boys) track team. They were just being cool. Every girl had a crush on them. Even today, look at all those Korean boy bands, they’re all wearing full faces of makeup, dressing or behaving more feminine, but they still embrace that they are men, and they’ve got millions of fans who love their look. It’s much different for someone to go on hormones and get surgeries, that scares me because it’s a bit delusional.
gender non-conforming men are 🔥. Ex: KPOP men wear full faces of makeup and feminine accessories and have some of the largest fandoms in the world. Same w metal bands in the West. Something very appealing and intriguing about a confident masculine man in a pearl necklace or earrings or nail polish or a skirt etc. Just be yourself, whatever that looks like. And as Ray said, most of us out here are generally trying to figure out your identity and guess appropriately, because we think that’s what polite people do! But if your sexual desires are towards women, I think you’d have more success just being non conforming rather than she/her. Idk.
Great message. But to play devil's advocate, what makes a man 'effeminate'? I'm not sure this is clearly defined (and you know what Wittgenstein said about things we can't speak of clearly). The term itself can be seen as regressive (at least when discussed in terms of gender as opposed to sex). For example, is pink 'effeminate'? Or is it just a colour which we've arbitrarily associated with women? How about the piece of clothing we call a "skirt"? Is it more effiminate than a kilt? What about long hair? The question follows - is a man who wears a pink skirt 'effeminate'? Is he more effeminate than a man who wears a blue kilt? Is long hair Chuck Norris more effeminate than short hair than short hair Elton John? By using this word, are we in fact reinforcing restrictive/oppressive ideas of 'women things and men things'? If so, then one conclusion is that these are not effeminate men. They're just men with *individual* fashion tastes, and independent of social construction, there's no inherent predilection towards the things we deem effeminate.
In principle you are indeed correct: it's all (mostly) arbitrary. But in practical reality, we all kind of have an intuitive, "I know it when I see it" understanding of what it means for a man to conform to social expectations about dress and fashion and what it means for a man to break away from those expectations *regardless* of whether their personality and mannerisms are masculine/feminine.
@@RayAlexWilliams Indeed so. I just wonder if the best message to these men is "Stop worrying about your masculinity or femininity and whether you appear as either, and begin to embrace your own individuality free of constraints". It seems obvious, but I sense many of the affected men haven't actually thought about it that way (hence the regressive attitudes) and needs to hear it.
The conversation is purely pragmatics. This trans woman is in an awkward phase of transition as I recognise it myself, balancing genuine expression with the fear of being clocked, thus feeling pressured to dress more in the feminine expression. However, as you go into later transition these phases pass and no longer become an issue. Early to mid stage transwoman will dress up in clothing not suited or stereotypical, but that's okay. They eventually set into a style that suits and is of genuine expression that would never be classed as regressive. I don't see it as a contradiction or in tension to men dressing in a non-conforming way. There's nothing wrong with being perceived as a man but a trans woman would never want that as it triggers GD so they need to exist pragmatically. Any way love the videos!
I would take this a step further and ask why we need to say such a man is feminine? Historically men wore these items first and look around you: at least where i am it doesn't seem like some are interested in anything but "basics" or barley getting out of the home without pajamas on. Just wear what you want within reason and be authentic. Leave the labels in the labeling machine.
While you might be correct in an abstract philosophical sense, the human mind is naturally a labeling machine and we use shorthand catchall terms like "feminine" or "masculine" to refer to collective, historically contingent patterns of stereotypical behavior relative to each sex, male or female, which can and does slowly change over time and varies from culture to culture. I don't think we have to reify this stuff into anything essential except for some stuff that actually is directly or indirectly related to innate sex differences such as neuroticism or emotionalism being on average higher in females at the population level.
No, they can dress that way; they don't want the masculinization. Most males by 25 don't have a hair style to choose; nature's made that decision for them. Of course you could always split the difference and go on estrogen and present as male which is what I do but I did it to stay a boy. I'm free to where whatever but I prefer male attire. So how do you analyze the Eli Erlick types who dress totally masculine yet use estrogen to control their secondary sex characteristics? Not everybody is motivated by what drives somebody else. That person said they don't wear crops and skirts so you misquoted. My question to you is why should one accept the masculinization process when it does not stop and takes you further away from who you are now and who you hope to be. I don't give a damn about how somebody perceives me. Gender nonconformity is fine; gender transition gives you the option to change your body and you can where whatever you want. Pretty much if I lose my body, I'm done.
@@DorianPaige00 What about Eli? He’s a man. He doesn’t dress particularly feminine, but he doesn’t dress masculine either. And most importantly, *he doesn’t “pass”.*
At the end of the day I support adult, mentally stable men taking HRT as part of a libertarian right to body modification but people need to be properly informed about the risks.
@@ellisdunegan There's about a 25% chance that you can tell an infant's birth sex by looking at them as well so it's tough erasing that history when one cuts hair short. It's not about passing as something one is not; it's about preventing, stopping, and reversing progressions. Trans-feminine and those who use estrogen/castration have far better health than men and the health of eunuchs were documented in Biblical days. We don't go through the enlargement of the prostate, masculinization, advanced musculature, increased cranial size in adulthood, loss of hair, no change to skin tone from youth, and several conditions related to cancer.
It's really quite odd. Why are you continually telling other people how to think and feel? Your desire for self-justification is so overwhelming, can you really only get that by punching down on random strangers you find on Reddit? Are you really that narcissistic?
"Punching down" lmao you people have made yourselves the most superior class in our society. No one is allowed to question your nonsensical ideologies, we have to validate and accept you automatically while you do nothing but shittalk "cishets" 🙄
@@RayAlexWilliams But people care, surely? All our realities are subjective, appeals to 'facts' and science are just a form of social power, as is perhaps social media. But you seem very keen to apply your perspective to everyone else. Case in point, Dr Blanchard studied paraphilias, so it is little surprise to find that he sees people's sexualities through that lens.To a man with a hammer, every problem is a nail. I wonder though, are there any other paraphilias in which the subjects so vehemently deny they have the paraphilia? What use is the diagnosis if the majority of subjects don't accept or acknowledge it?
We need less labels and more authenticity in this world
This, 100% this. And not the way TikTok is trying to redefine authenticity while we're at it.
This is hitting the nail on the head so to speak.
It's good to hear this from a male detransitioner. The reason I've always doubted that "transness" exists is because they mostly wear such stereotypical clothing.
That's a rather absurd position. Transsexuals clearly exist because they physically modify their body to match the sex they identify with. Intersex people clearly exist and modify their bodies to match the sex they identify with. To claim that somebody's physical existence and lived experience isn't real because of their clothing choices is bizarre.
@@FaerieQueenCaelia There is no such thing as transsexuality because you can't change sex. And of course there are people who claim to be the other sex. I didn't say anything about intersex people.
@@eb3222 Yet transsexuals can get documents from medical professionals and the state, clearly stating that they have changed sex, or showing their new sex. What you mean is, your version of reality supercedes the medical profession and the state? Got it.
@@FaerieQueenCaeliaintersex people don't adjust their bodies to match their identity. Intersex people are either male with female characteristics or female with male characteristics. The idea that someone exists between the sexes is simply not true
@@eb3222if that’s the case, then detransitioners don’t exist either by your logic
'Stigmatizing gender non confirmity in men'. Nailed it. It's an egoic expression, trying to grasp rather than self expression.
How on Earth do they presume to know that they “pass pretty consistently”? If they didn’t pass (and of course they don’t), how do they think they would know?
all the describing of the clothes reminds me of bad fanfic written by tweens.
If a transwoman is getting clocked by dressing more masculine, that person is not passing. You are right, people are likely simply being kind. If she dresses like a "tomboy," others will read it as a signal that she is trying to look like a guy and they will respond to what seems like a signal that, "Yeah, I am a guy after all." Of course, if she dresses "femme," then she is signaling how she wants to be addressed, and kind people will accommodate this. I wouldn't call it regressive in every case but sometimes "desperate." Such transwomen may as well wear a badge announcing their preferred pronouns.
I had the opposite experience. I had my hair cut quite short in a man's fashion. I wore guy's clothes. I tried my best to "butch it up" from a behavioral perspective. After a year of this, I was called "sir" exactly once. Given how the rest of the world was reacting to me under various circumstances, I could only assume it was a "courtesy 'sir.'" The guy at the UPS office was probably just being nice. Either that, or he was really busy, not really paying attention, and reacted to a couple of visual hints out of the corner of this eye. I really disliked the "courtesy sir." It seemed so disingenuous. Why bother? I felt like an actor trying to play a part only to get people to like me. I can't see why someone would spend their life playing a part, only to have people be "nice" to you rather than responding to you with genuine perception. If I did not naturally pass for female as I have (at least in real life, in natural lighting conditions and common settings), I may not have bothered transitioning in the first place (which was oddly anticlimactic). Really, why bother? (Hence, why it was easy for me to give up.) To me, the only reason I could see that someone would put up with that would be desperation. Are some transwomen regressive? Absolutely. Are some more desparate instead, using stereotype dress codes as a crutch? I think so.
For me as a GNC woman the "courtesy sir" doesn't really seem to happen to me. Maybe it's because I live in a red state but when I'm called "he" or "sir" it's usually by non-woke people (usually 30+) who assume I'm just a slightly feminine looking teenage boy. The woke ones are confused usually because my "gender presentation" is androgynous and it doesn't look like I'm trying to signal that I want to be a man, woman or neither.
@@t3m077 what are you shooting for?
@@BillPhlorgian nothing really. I don't care what other people think I am. It's nice to be mistaken for a dude but at the end of the day I know I'm not one. I do experience mild levels of GD but not enough to transition. I come from an immigrant family and it would be a shame to disappoint them.
@@t3m077 my biggest regret of transitioning was the disappointment and grief I brought to others.
What a great reminder that while i've never understood fashion as a female, it would be 2x as difficult to be "what do I like" with "will it help me pass." My own fashion rules are "am I trying to look younger than I am" with "does the color and fabric make me feel good or squeezed and uncomfortable." I am totally with you -- you do you, and we all keep trucking along without triple checking ourselves on "who is that person" vs "what do they want me to think they are" vs "can I guess correctly or do I avoid pronouns forever." The mental gymnastics is exhausting. I'm waiting for the kids to get into building a family age to realize our bodies aren't just soul identities...
Fighting for the gender nonconformers yeah!
Another banger ‼️
I have gotten heat for saying this but, well, the entirety of the trans rhetoric is based on regressive gender rules limits and stereotypes. YES we as a people need to DE-stigmatize males presenting in a "feminine" manner. When I wear my styles, I wear it because I LIKE IT, not in order to look more feminine, nor even look more masculine. I am me, and I wish more males would just do such as I do, no matter the orientation. I honestly do not want to be perceived as gay either, not because I am homophobic, but because I'M NOT GAY. Men should be free to wear skirts, dresses, short shorts, whatever (in short, do away with the sexist dress codes written and unwritten).
Thank you for this helpful channel
Quite welcome 🙏
I love your detailed thoughts and analysis. Thank you for expressing yourself, your experience and perspective can help many people, trans and non trans. We are all wanting to understand
Cool hairstyle Ray! Your skin looks so good/glowing 🫶🏻
I'm going to be honest with you, being a MaB who wants to be more expressive with feminine/female clothing is much more strongly looked down on and would make people clock you more as a creep then a MaB who simply decides to go through transitioning. Arguably speaking the rise of males who identify as none-binary are people who fall into this camp on tiktok, and they are the people who get the most attack from the "gender critical group." It was the AGP I think named phily who was the one that ended up getting attacked a lot more over another person who was a trans women that mostly passed unnoticed at that conference. This was pointed out in the beginning of one of Benjamin boyoces interviews. But it does go to highlight that at the end of the day even in the "gender critical spaces."
I mean sure its possible to try and do it without hormones, dress feminine, get good at make up, and I agree this helps a lot for the most part. But the reality is you will never be seen as acceptable in society as someone who is a trans women on hormones, if you were to start before age 25 or 28 do a good job with modest clothing and great looking makeup 9 out of 10 times most people would identify you with the secondary sex characteristics more so out in public then your primary sex characteristics if you don't tell them your trans. It sucks and is painful but that is just how it goes.
Keep in mind regardless if on hormones feminine clothing just feels amazing and when I don't feel like I have to live in fear of other people, does allow me to just feel comfortable in a way I don't often get to feel.
>>>I'm going to be honest with you, being a MaB who wants to be more expressive with feminine/female clothing is much more strongly looked down on and would make people clock you more as a creep then a MaB who simply decides to go through transitioning.
Disagree. I think the general public is far more accepting of gender nonconforming men who own being men without reservation than they are about transitioned males who LARP as women, use single-sex spaces, play on the female sports team, and insist everyone use "she/her" despite almost never actually passing as female. Besides, it's important to be your own judge and be the change you want to see and make decisions based on your principles not because you're worried about society's approval.
@@RayAlexWilliams Go ask phil illy what his experience was liked for trying to be himself at conference as he was attacked and mocked by many people when he got up to asked questions to raise awareness of AGPs. Tell that in the news article of one male in who was none passing that chose to use the correct male bathroom ended up getting mocked and later one of the boys at the school punched his face and broke his jaw. If you look at the None-binary craz right now this is a good example of how people do not accept men who try to just present feminine without putting in some level of more effort to present female.
You don't even have to do the support trans women in female supports. Only time I think bathrooms are fine to use would be in rare cases when there are a few trans women who do end up getting clocked more as females then males if possible.
If you wear a ball gown in bright blue to a class in university, people are going to stare, point and snigger, even were you a woman.
Phil does it to provoke, the same as naked people in Pride parades…he needs the attention.
So as a ‘TERF’, let me promise you it isn’t about men dressing feminine, but about AGP’s accessing female only spaces.
@@RayAlexWilliamsI agree! And back a few decades ago it was much more common for punk men to wear nail polish, to wear makeup (they were being “edgy” but it was still a cool look), and to even wear skirts. We had a few punk guys in school who wore pink nail-polish and eyeliner, and occasionally would wear skirts (with anarchy patches on them lol). They were guys, there was never any question in themselves or others, they were not trying to be women, they used the men’s bathroom, one of them was on the (boys) track team. They were just being cool. Every girl had a crush on them.
Even today, look at all those Korean boy bands, they’re all wearing full faces of makeup, dressing or behaving more feminine, but they still embrace that they are men, and they’ve got millions of fans who love their look.
It’s much different for someone to go on hormones and get surgeries, that scares me because it’s a bit delusional.
gender non-conforming men are 🔥. Ex: KPOP men wear full faces of makeup and feminine accessories and have some of the largest fandoms in the world. Same w metal bands in the West. Something very appealing and intriguing about a confident masculine man in a pearl necklace or earrings or nail polish or a skirt etc. Just be yourself, whatever that looks like. And as Ray said, most of us out here are generally trying to figure out your identity and guess appropriately, because we think that’s what polite people do!
But if your sexual desires are towards women, I think you’d have more success just being non conforming rather than she/her. Idk.
A Kat Blaque video immediately queued up when this video ended lol 😩
Great message. But to play devil's advocate, what makes a man 'effeminate'? I'm not sure this is clearly defined (and you know what Wittgenstein said about things we can't speak of clearly). The term itself can be seen as regressive (at least when discussed in terms of gender as opposed to sex).
For example, is pink 'effeminate'? Or is it just a colour which we've arbitrarily associated with women? How about the piece of clothing we call a "skirt"? Is it more effiminate than a kilt? What about long hair?
The question follows - is a man who wears a pink skirt 'effeminate'? Is he more effeminate than a man who wears a blue kilt? Is long hair Chuck Norris more effeminate than short hair than short hair Elton John?
By using this word, are we in fact reinforcing restrictive/oppressive ideas of 'women things and men things'?
If so, then one conclusion is that these are not effeminate men. They're just men with *individual* fashion tastes, and independent of social construction, there's no inherent predilection towards the things we deem effeminate.
In principle you are indeed correct: it's all (mostly) arbitrary. But in practical reality, we all kind of have an intuitive, "I know it when I see it" understanding of what it means for a man to conform to social expectations about dress and fashion and what it means for a man to break away from those expectations *regardless* of whether their personality and mannerisms are masculine/feminine.
@@RayAlexWilliams Indeed so. I just wonder if the best message to these men is "Stop worrying about your masculinity or femininity and whether you appear as either, and begin to embrace your own individuality free of constraints". It seems obvious, but I sense many of the affected men haven't actually thought about it that way (hence the regressive attitudes) and needs to hear it.
Word!
The conversation is purely pragmatics. This trans woman is in an awkward phase of transition as I recognise it myself, balancing genuine expression with the fear of being clocked, thus feeling pressured to dress more in the feminine expression. However, as you go into later transition these phases pass and no longer become an issue.
Early to mid stage transwoman will dress up in clothing not suited or stereotypical, but that's okay. They eventually set into a style that suits and is of genuine expression that would never be classed as regressive.
I don't see it as a contradiction or in tension to men dressing in a non-conforming way. There's nothing wrong with being perceived as a man but a trans woman would never want that as it triggers GD so they need to exist pragmatically. Any way love the videos!
Thank you!
Welcome!
Have you ever seen the transmaxxing manifesto😱!?
I have. I've been meaning to do a video on transmaxxing for awhile lol
@@RayAlexWilliams Yes please! I only heard women talk about it, so a male perspective would be interesting!
Can you make a detailed
video on non agp transexuality and gender dysphoria
Spot on ❤
Regressiv indeed!!
The Origins Of Consciousness . . . !
My favorite book of all time
I would take this a step further and ask why we need to say such a man is feminine? Historically men wore these items first and look around you: at least where i am it doesn't seem like some are interested in anything but "basics" or barley getting out of the home without pajamas on. Just wear what you want within reason and be authentic. Leave the labels in the labeling machine.
While you might be correct in an abstract philosophical sense, the human mind is naturally a labeling machine and we use shorthand catchall terms like "feminine" or "masculine" to refer to collective, historically contingent patterns of stereotypical behavior relative to each sex, male or female, which can and does slowly change over time and varies from culture to culture. I don't think we have to reify this stuff into anything essential except for some stuff that actually is directly or indirectly related to innate sex differences such as neuroticism or emotionalism being on average higher in females at the population level.
No, they can dress that way; they don't want the masculinization. Most males by 25 don't have a hair style to choose; nature's made that decision for them. Of course you could always split the difference and go on estrogen and present as male which is what I do but I did it to stay a boy. I'm free to where whatever but I prefer male attire. So how do you analyze the Eli Erlick types who dress totally masculine yet use estrogen to control their secondary sex characteristics? Not everybody is motivated by what drives somebody else.
That person said they don't wear crops and skirts so you misquoted. My question to you is why should one accept the masculinization process when it does not stop and takes you further away from who you are now and who you hope to be. I don't give a damn about how somebody perceives me. Gender nonconformity is fine; gender transition gives you the option to change your body and you can where whatever you want. Pretty much if I lose my body, I'm done.
@@DorianPaige00 What about Eli? He’s a man. He doesn’t dress particularly feminine, but he doesn’t dress masculine either. And most importantly, *he doesn’t “pass”.*
At the end of the day I support adult, mentally stable men taking HRT as part of a libertarian right to body modification but people need to be properly informed about the risks.
@@dewilew2137he doesn't pass at all. He even took puberty blockers and transitioned early.
@@dewilew2137 I wasn't talking about passing or about how someone looks but apparently you do.
@@ellisdunegan There's about a 25% chance that you can tell an infant's birth sex by looking at them as well so it's tough erasing that history when one cuts hair short. It's not about passing as something one is not; it's about preventing, stopping, and reversing progressions. Trans-feminine and those who use estrogen/castration have far better health than men and the health of eunuchs were documented in Biblical days. We don't go through the enlargement of the prostate, masculinization, advanced musculature, increased cranial size in adulthood, loss of hair, no change to skin tone from youth, and several conditions related to cancer.
It's really quite odd. Why are you continually telling other people how to think and feel? Your desire for self-justification is so overwhelming, can you really only get that by punching down on random strangers you find on Reddit? Are you really that narcissistic?
Facts and reality don’t care about whether it hurts people’s feelings.
@@RayAlexWilliamstypical
He's a big know it all
"Punching down" lmao you people have made yourselves the most superior class in our society. No one is allowed to question your nonsensical ideologies, we have to validate and accept you automatically while you do nothing but shittalk "cishets" 🙄
@@RayAlexWilliams But people care, surely? All our realities are subjective, appeals to 'facts' and science are just a form of social power, as is perhaps social media. But you seem very keen to apply your perspective to everyone else. Case in point, Dr Blanchard studied paraphilias, so it is little surprise to find that he sees people's sexualities through that lens.To a man with a hammer, every problem is a nail. I wonder though, are there any other paraphilias in which the subjects so vehemently deny they have the paraphilia? What use is the diagnosis if the majority of subjects don't accept or acknowledge it?