Are NEW Coleman Stoves BETTER Than OLD Coleman Stoves?
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2022
- So you want a liquid fueled stove from Coleman, one of the single burner units, and you want to know whether to buy new...or get a used one off eBay? Well, let's look at two stove built just over 30 YEARS apart and see how they compare!
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Not many people know this but in order to simmer with the 533 you just need to turn the valve all the way to off and then slowly open it. It will controll just like the peak. The reason for this is the curved generator, holds the needle open until the internal spring snaps it near closed. Turning it to the off position first unloads it. Don’t worry it won’t go out when you turn it to off
WhaaaaATt??!?... I've had a 533 for 15 years and never knew this! I'm sure it never detailed this in the instructions! I have to try this out.
I have noticed this with a coleman 440 i bought for 2$ at an estate sale. I could gradually bring it up, instead of trying to lower it down from hi flame.
I just bought 533 and figured it out, but nice to know thats how to get it to simmer, thought mine might have been faulty
About 20 years ago I had to relocate for a new job. To avoid boredom I started going to antique and garage sales primarily buying pre WWII kerosene lanterns but because Coleman lanterns and stoves of all sizes were so common and inexpensive I started purchasing them as well. I almost never paid more than $10 for any stove or lantern. The key to getting a good price is to be polite but walk away if the price is too high. Then return right before the end of the sale and often the seller will drop the price rather than take their stove or lantern home. I now have almost 300 kerosene lanterns and about 80 Coleman stoves and lanterns, many in pristine condition. In my opinion all of my vintage stoves and lanterns are better than the new lanterns. Sadly very few people are interested in the lanterns or stoves so they sit on shelves in my warehouse and I suspect they will eventually become landfill.
I can use one stove if u want to let 1 go
If you were in the UK, I'd offer to buy them! The idea of them ending up landfill is awful.
LED lanterns have made the gas ones obsolete except if you want the heat. I have a few of Coleman stoves and lanterns but hardly use them anymore. I bought mine over 40 years ago when I moved to Alaska. They all have had a lot of use. I used to camp out about 70-80 days a year off most of it six weeks off in the summer to go hunting fishing canoeing and rafting.
I am very interested in purchasing a lantern or two from you if the price is right
My Coleman 400 stove is 39 years old (1983) and I bought it after basic training when I arrived in Alaska. I served me well, especially in the winter, and survived 37 parachute jumps. I purchased a second one in 1985 and still have them both.
In the Australian Army back in the 70s and 80s we had the Stove, pressure M1950 which ran on kerosene or methylated spirits. You had to pump to build up the pressure and it made that 'chuffa' noise. Hearing your old Coleman chuff away took me back to some great memories getting the 'chuffa going' to put a brew on. We only used these when we were vehicle based.
With the 533 you can use a plastic Folgers can as a case.
Nice. I just sewed up a canvas pouch and then waxed it. Same for my Component.
I’ve had my Peak 1 for 42 years, and when I was younger, and equipment weight was not an issue, it was my “go to” backpacking stove. That stove, and a Sigg bottle with white gas would last a long time! I concur with you on legs, they are much more stable, and protect the bottom of the tank from moisture and getting scratched and dented during use. As a side note, I always carried trioxane tabs and mini stove, as well, because anything with moving parts can(and sometimes will) malfunction at the most in opportune times!
Bryan, ur 42 yrs comment made me stop. Thru-hiked the AT in 1980 and carried my green Peak 1 the whole way. So like you, I've had it 42 years. Still works as well as ever. Love the dial up or dwn flame which was rare back in the day. It has a place of honor in my memories forever. 😊
@@jjm9902 mine is in the garage on display with my collection of antique oil lamps. I take it down and dust it on occasion, which does stir up some great memories of being in the woods, and of the many years gone by! Those outdoor trips were some of the best experiences in my lifetime! 😁
You have me beat, I have a 508 that has been part of my gear since 1985, it was my backpacking stove, we didn't know what ultralight camping was. I still have it and it's in my canoe camping trunk. It's still on the original generator.
@@thermalreboot Excellent. There's an old saying: "Travel light, freeze all night."
Use the base of the plastic case for better traction.
We have(my husband's) early series PEAK 1 stove that we used for several years as we traveled(car camping) to visit friends & family out of state. There were no problems encountered, whether it was on "full blast", to make expresso, or "down low", to gently heat the pan for an omlette. It always worked as intended without anything beyond basic maintenance. Wish we had collected several to use in a "simple" outdoor kitchen. Your genuine presentation is appreciated. Thank you.
I bought a Colman 400 back in the early 1980's as a young Marine to use in the field in my artillery unit. I loved that stove and owned it for many years. Through many household moves and a divorce, it disapeared on me. So, I bought a new 533, and have had it for several years now. It did not come with a case so I tried to order one for $75. I finally got tired of waiting on it and instead bought a Zebra 6" in diameter pot with a lid. It fits perfectly! It protects the stove even better and is handy to use when camping. Win, win. I also used a stove very similar to the 533, when I was an Arctic instructor. We used that type of stove for many trips to Greenland, Norway and other very cold places around the U.S. It never let us down. One stove per 2 men. It heated our chow and dried out our clothing over and over again. Great review! I am glad someone else appreciates these stoves like I do. I remember hunkering down in our tent in Greenland while the weather raged around us thinking, thank God for this thing as it melted snow and ice for water and dried our drinched gear. I look forward to your next videos.
Thanks for the zebra Billy pot recommendation, I just ordered one from Canadian Outdoor Equipment, so now my brand new 533 will have a safe and symbiotic home.
I have both. My 533 does not simmer regardless of pressure or other variables. "Old Brown" simmers beautifully. Just love the chug, chug of the stove firing away. I learned that if you simmer for awhile, when you've finished and removed your pot, put it back on high for a short bit before turning off in order to burn off excess carbon build up from simmer mode. Thanks for the review!
Ya the 533 is crud compared to the 400. My 533 burns regularly gas as well as coleman fuel which is not great soot on pots.
I'd vote for the Peak1 Stove. I like the flame control as well. Nice video, thanks.
Love my Peak 1.
I have the Peak 1 stove with a date of 10-80. I recently fired it up after 20 to 25 years and it worked great. It has many miles on it and is still my favorite.
I'm old and I like old stuff 🤓
Not surprised. So many people say the new Coleman stoves are not built the same. Been paying attention to reviews like yours because I inherited a couple Coleman stoves and pondering what to do with them as I am in need to replace one of my camp stoves. I like the idea of white gas vs propane for a few reasons. And the trend of info is saying the new Coleman stoves are not as good quality. Sooo, will see if I can restore the vintage. Thank you for your thorough review!
Good to have you back Dr. Ernie; I had the larger version of this Coleman stove about 25 years ago and used it in my canoe trips. It was a great stove. I got rid of it and the canoe when I moved into a small travel trailer. Thanks for the comparison video.
We used Peak 1's in the Gulf War (personal purchase) and they performed superbly in very trying conditions (they were run with Aircraft fuel, JP5, which is what we had readily available) Dunno if they were rated for that but they worked well, fed us warm meals and hot coffee...can't say enough good things about their ruggedness and dependability. Thank you for the review and the comparison.
I love vintage Coleman white gas stoves. Virtually unchanged over the decades and pretty easy to maintain and keep running at peak level.
If you wish to simmer with the 533, don’t put as much pressure in the tank. Remember that you can always add more pressure as needed.
That is true but it is really hard and even dangerous to go from "return to a rapid boil then turn down and simmer for another 8 min" that way.
@@glennbeckner9355 agree
If you want to simmer turn the valve all the way to off and the slowly raise the flame. Makes it controll much more linear.
I honestly haven't had any problem getting my Naphtha 533 to simmer. Nor have I had any issues turning it off. I've only used white gas and it's run perfectly. Same with my 424.
Red plastic Folgers coffee tub - fits it great just a little too heavy for backpacking. I love the stove for short trips
I use unleaded in my Sportster 533. I live in Ireland and Coleman Fuel is not stocked widely and very expensive. It’s between €10-14 per litre. Even with today’s fuel prices it’s 6-8x the price of unleaded. But the scarcity is a bigger issue. My local camping supplier doesn’t even stock it. It’s available online but the nearest place to walk in and buy it is 2hrs away. Butane/propane gas is far and away the biggest fuel used here with alcohol/meths probably a distant second. I use both. Coleman stoves are definitely more niche. So I really only bought the Coleman as a car camping/power cut emergency stove. I suppose I like the idea of siphoning the lawnmower for fuel as a last resort 😄
It’s used so rarely that it’s never gunned up on me. It it needs cleaning or a new generator pipe eventually, I still think the convenience of using unleaded it it’s best feature for me. I know people suggest panel wipe and Aspen fuel but again, the sheer convenience of unleaded was what attracted me to the thing in the first place.
There are several RUclips videos that show that the older Coleman stoves work just as well on unleaded gasoline as on white gas. They may need cleaning more often, but that seems to be the only difference. This makes the "it's better because it's dual-fuel" claim a moot point. (For the record, I own both of these stoves, and have never run unleaded in either.)
I have a Peak 1, that I bought in Jasper,
while camping up there, in the early eighties.
I did change the leather pump gasket on it,
about twenty years ago,
& it needs changing again.
Still works fine!
I keep it in an old coffee can,
with a pot holder stuffed in as well!
Can’t imagine folks backpacking with these stoves anymore.
It’s still great for car camping!
Keep your smiles on!
Good to see you back. I love my classic Coleman stoves.
I was raised in the fifties on Coleman two burner stoves and single as well as double mantle gas lanterns. Still have them today. The single burner I bought in the later sixties as I recall and it is much simpler to start and run. Never even think about preheat and there is no fuel line across the flame. In those days of leaded gas we used to buy five gallon tins (two to a wood box) of white gas. Later they came out with Coleman fuel but we never used that. In the mid seventies they came out with the duel fuel that ran on leaded as well. I actually ran leaded gas in the white gas models and never had any real problems. Worked well but did require replacement of generators a bit more often which happened very rarely with white gas stoves and more frequently with the lanterns. If you live in cold country there was and is no substitute for gas appliances. You will come home with most of your propane still in the bottle when temps are in the teens and less. We used them mostly in boats and camps rather than back packing. Also used a lot when power went out (which it did frequently) back in those days. Wintertime Alaska is unforgiving with the weather on cooking and lighting appliances when in the bush. Coleman was the standard as well as a few kerosene lanterns around then.
Greetings, I have own and used four Coleman 400A stoves for many decades, and think they are among the finest of the stoves in their class, period! If I may, I will suggest that you go back and read the lighting instructions for this wonderful stove. You are leaving out some important steps, and because of that, the stove is not working as designed. You might want to do the same for your 533, too, as mine simmers very well, though not quite as well as the M400A. If you don’t have the instructions, please send me a message, and I’ll send a copy to you. As much as you love this stove, once you follow the lighting instructions as written, you will love the stove ever MORE! Take care, and God Bless! - Doc Mark
Thank you Ernie... Like you, I lean towards the older model. The flame control is a BIG plus!! I also have the dual version as well, but always gravitate towards the 400. White Gas stoves are a favorite for me in general. Good Luck on broadening your collection!
Fired up my Pike1, 4/82, after not using for 35 years with the same fuel in it. Worked great, so purchased more fuel. 😃
I’m really glad to see you! Do you really feel a difference in your mind? You are organized and to the point. That is nice!
Ringo to ya!
That stove was made 7 months before I was born, wow I'm getting old! Good to see a video from you! Good weather in Louisiana lately, I've been loving it!
I really liked this comparison and agree that they made it better in 1982. I like the “old” two burner Coleman camp stoves better than the single burner stoves. The suitcase design also is good for wind protection and reminds me of good times with family and friends.
Totally agree! I have a 425B from 1962 and a 425E from 1976 and they are great stoves. They simmer low enough to cook rice or oatmeal, are super-stable, and work well in the wind. Don’t like the newer single-burner stoves with just one control because they suck at simmering.
Nice comparison, thank you for sharing your experience and thoughts on the 2 stoves.
There is flame control on the newer model but there is quite a turn down lag due to the gas remaining in the preheat tube. The same reason it burns longer when shutting off from high. It's easier to notice the difference by running on low for a bit then turning to high.
I moved to a stove that I think was called an apex II. It is the size of the coleman burner as the gas was kept in separate red bottles.
First of all, I’d like to welcome you back to RUclips, we missed you. I have always been a stove geek and a camping gear geek as well. Back when I got started in the 60s white gas stoves were king. They would work in sub zero temperatures and we didn’t have the modern canister stoves back then and propane stoves were too heavy. I had a Colman stove back in the day that I kept as back up and my Primus was my go to. The Coleman was a bit on the heavy side. I am now sporting a Firefly or a Whisperlight but for shear convenience and lightweight in above freezing temperatures I have a nice Soto Windmaster. I do intend to buy a little titanium wood burning stove, you know the one, but for now I have an Irish chimney style wood burner that never fails to impress, even in inclement weather. I’m sort of a gram weenie but I do put comfort quite high on my priority list. It’s good to have you back and please keep up the good work.😊
Thanks Ernie! I also have a 533 dual fuel stove, and like you said, the flame control is really lacking. Mine likes to go all the way out when I try to turn the flame down at all. I have to turn it all the way off and then quickly turn it back on low in order to get it to stay on. And then I can very carefully adjust the flame up to a medium position from there.
I think they were trying to make it simpler to use, but in the process, they made it more difficult to use, by going to a single lever system.
I like to use these burners in the winter to melt snow. I think this is where they shine. Mine are both older models and have decent flame control.
Couldn't agree more Ernie. I have a Peak 1 400 and simply love it. On top of all your reasons I would add that the 400 stoves (well, all their pre-1983 stuff really) is built to last centuries. While their basic operation is unchanged, the old stuff is made of all brass parts. For instance, the fuel pickup tube is brass instead of plastic. And the leather pump cap will last a long time too - way more than the newer neoprene ones. They just need some oil (neatsfoot works the best) every now and then. Keep up the excellent videos.
My first white gas stove was a Apex back packing stove, I bought in the early 90's. I love the blue hiss. I got plugged up and I didn't know how to clean it. I lived in a tent for 3 months in the summer on friend's land on the Mendo Coast. It worked all summer and I never finished my can of white gas. More recently I ground scored (curbside freebie) a Coleman Dual Fuel 533. Back in the early nineties Coleman white gas was the same price as car gasoline and the can was free. It was awesome. Now auto gasoline is over $5/gallon and Coleman fuel is $18.99/gallon can at Ace Hardware and maybe $14.99/gallon can at Walmart. A little goes a long way. Probably still worth it to buy white gas in the can.
I recently inherited a 400 and the matching lantern. As well as, one of the newer stoves. I have yet to use them since I have not used a white gas product in years and was not sure if I remembered how to light them! After watching this, I want to go dig them out! Thanks for the great video!
I have the 533 and an old Component, which is similaer to the Peak. On both - and on any Coleman white gas pressurized stove, you start with the initial 30-40 pumps, light wide open til the yellow calms down (there should be a 4"-5" tall blue flame), adjust to suit, but then top up with another 25-30 pumps. Not just a few. You will both hear and see the superior results.
Well put together very informative keep up the good work 👍🏻🏴
Great vid. I had the Peak 1 multi fuel, my brother has the feather 400. White gas is so much less hassle than paraffin. Since then I've moved to a Dragonfly and Trangia
I still have my 1-79 Peak 400 and the 2 piece metal cover/cooker. I fired it up a year ago & it worked perfectly. I used to carry it on all my camping trips. I eventually switched to an MSR stove, and now I used a Trangia alcohol stove most of the time. The flame control on these Peaks are great. Before the Peak I used a Svea 123r. The Peak is much quieter than the buzz bomb Svea.
I have used Coleman stoves for decades, presently have an Exponent and a 533. Exponent is dated 06 01 and replaced an and earlier Coleman of similar design. The 533 I purchased about 2010. The Exponent I have used on many backpacking trips both summer and winter and it has always served me well. It is heavier than propane stoves, but the weight does include fuel storage capacity and it works much better than propane at cold temperatures. The 533 I use for car camping and fishing trips. A few years ago, I decided to modernize and purchased a Jet Boil Stash mainly because I had some stimulus money. I got about 2.5 years out of it then it stopped working. I seems to be plugged above the valve but I cannot see how to clean it. I contacted Jet Boil and got zero help all they wanted to do was sell me a new stove. For the price I paid I was very disappointed. Going back to my heavy Exponent for backpacking and 533 for car camping. Thank you for the video.
Could be a market for fitting a 508 style control valve to the 533. I like the 533, it's easy to start and I've never had the shut down issue. My 533 also seems to have more flame control. The large diameter tank means it sits solidly on the ground. I love all my Colemans and they're my go to stoves for car camping. I take at least three. Thanks for putting up this vid.
Thanks for teaching me how to light my parents old stove!!! I still need to try it though to see if it works.
I fit a piece of plastic tube onto the red control to extend the lever and give me more control. The poor control of the 533 is a real drawback. I thought mine was faulty from the factory until I was told they are all like that.
I have the new one and the flame adjuster seems to work fine on mine? It did the same as yours the first couple of times same as yours did but been fine since. Great to see you back.
Yeah, Coleman lanterns and stoves have gone downhill over the years. Although I have a Dual Fuel Lantern and stove, I NEVER run unleaded gasoline in either one. ONLY in an emergency situation would I even consider doing that and with proper planning I never have had to. I have the Coleman two burner propane camp stove and it does a good job without any problems. I have several Coleman Lanterns and the oldest is one my father bought back when I was a young kid. I am seventy-one years old currently. It is the Coleman model 237 kerosene lantern, which is about as bright as a 100-watt light bulb. My most prized lantern. Thanks for all of your great videos. They are certainly a joy to watch.
I have a 533 you just had wet fuel on the plate from not letting it burn the two minutes Colman says to pre heat . Love the videos have fun stay safe.
I agree Ernie. Flame control is the way to go!
Dr. Ernie, I to have been using 2 Coleman 400 Featherlight (s) (Black) & 1 Coleman Feather 442 Duel Fuel (Silver) for many years, the only change I've made to them is I replaced the 'Junk' plastic pump diaphragms to Leather which I usually remove to re-oil with olive oil once each year, I've had a couple of the duel control models but find the single control model to be much easier to light and keep going, I swear by Coleman brand 400 Featherlight (Black) and enjoy them all when I use them 'in the house' close by my feet in the cold winters here in SE Idaho, I also keep a half dozen gallons of Colman White Gas in the back bedroom year round as well.
Thanks for sharing!
That your Peak 1 has the second flame control is nice, I have that on my 1985 508. I had a friend back in the 80s who had a Peak 1 and it only had the single control valve like your 533. I don't know the history of the Peak 1, so I can't say when they had the dual control and when they didn't. I can tell you his Peak 1 was either black or dark green, I don't recall exactly but it definitely wasn't brown.
I bought my 533 in 2000, and it is still my go to winter stove. Are there lighter options? Yes. But after 22 years, it is still a powerhouse.
I have a vintage peak 1 Apex 2 stove. The burner is basically the same as the 400 but it is a dual fuel and has a detached separate fuel bottle. It's been super reliable and I've never had the first problem. I've also got a MSR Whisperlite International dual fuel that also has a detached separate fuel bottle. It has to be primed by releasing a small amount of fuel into a tray beneath the burner. You light it from there to preheat the generator. Sounds complicated but it's very simple.
Mom and Dad had a 4-burner Coleman stove. Can't find these nowadays. Wish I had inherited it but it went to my brother. Life is good. Thanks for an interesting comparison!
I was surprised to see your 533 didn’t have very good control. I got mine out to verify it doesn’t do this. Maybe I’m just lucky, but I can control the flame in my 533 very well. I can simmer, I can go full on and also something in between. My 533 is from 04/2019.
I dont belive you! I test 10 533 they haven' any flame control.I thing you are wrong!!!!!
Hey Ernie, my 533 does the same thing yours did, if you shut it down too fast it seems there is still fuel in the generator and it spills out the bottom. Although mine has somewhat better flame control and flames out within about 5 seconds. Great video, stay safe.
Fantastic presentation and very timely, given the discontinuation but remaining availability
had mine over 40 yrs two burner since 1964 still work great
I bought a 502 way back in 1970 along with the aluminium storage pot and a heat pail the stove is still going strong . a few years ago I bought anotherone again with a storage pot. It too still works great.
Nothing Simmers like the Old P1 Brownie!!
I have four of them one is new in the box..
The 502 Sportster is the king of all camping Gourmet IMO..
Good stuff. Thanks.
I also had a 400. Which I bought new in 1985. It finally wore out. Everything was thin and corroded. I replaced it with a 533. The 400 was a bit more compact, but functionally pretty similar. Mine did not have the flame control. It was actually some number higher than 400, like maybe 420?
They both were/are really usable stoves. Both are/were fine with 87 unleaded.
I have one of these in the trunk of my car as part of the emergency gear, bought that one in 1983 and it has been bullet proof reliable hence it being in the car kit. We have several others i have bought over the years all the older model, the newer one i tried and gave away as it was just not as good as my old faithful stoves. I think i will grab another of ebay, take care, god bless one ans all.
This video made me dig out my 1980 Coleman 502 single burner stove. Oddly enough it is similar to the newer stove built for export. However, it has a third burner control rather than just relying on the burner lever. They also sold a sort of a can that you could place on top of the stove so that you could use it as a heater. The can covered the burner. This stove was lower priced than the "Peak" equipment.
I have a green one like yours made for the Japanese market still in its original box unfired with all of its paperwork , the case is red plastic and it has a windbreaker made from aluminum that sits on top to protect the flame on windy days , I'm not sure of its date , to find that the box would need to be opened 👍
The oldest sove i have is a campinggaz bluet c200. It does still work from time to time. Its 60 years old i got this from my father when i was 8
Glad you are back, Thank You.
Question, what would your opinion be using adapters and MAPP gas? Specifically winter and altitude. Would not think the cost would be worth it otherwise?
I used to do a lot of canoe camping and carried 2 Peak1’s paired with an aluminum cast griddle also by Coleman, allowed for some serious frying!
I would go for the Peak One, as well. The feet and the flame control do it for me.
I have a green peak one stove I think made in Canada does have the precision two adjustment. The pump is on the side
Thank you!
The dual fue capabilities are a marketing scheme. The generator is the same you can run unleaded in the peak if you want to. The peak is my favorite single burner as well. Thanks
Great comparison. Kudos job.
I have a 1980 vintage Peak 1. Great stove! Just started using mine again. Have you tried dual fuel with the vintage stove?
The gas in my stove was probably 40 years old and it started and burnt well.
I still have my Peak 1 442 circa 1989. Just a great stove all the way around.
Hello Ernie... Good demo on the two stove selections. Without question the older model is the better of the two. I'll also relate the the Coleman 533 Dual-Fuel single burner is not a very good stove. Especially if you consider professional use... outfitting, guiding, rental programs, etc. You just discovered (& exhibited for all to see) one of the biggest reasons why I have tossed several of the stoves over the years out of the camp kitchen and pretty much chucked 'em into the rivers to extinguish. The shut-off is unreliable... yet more importantly, the flare-ups under the burner (ie. between tank and burner assembly) is all too commonplace. Those flare-ups get more common and more potentially uncontrollably volatile with these stoves having extended runtime usage and timeline over the years. The other 'part' that is just junk is the pot-stand design. It shares this same 'part' with other models and is highly prone to weakening failures with on all of 'em. A 502 model for example would never have this type of part failure issue. I have had over a dozen of the 533 Dual-Fuel stoves outfitting and guiding. Still keep several some working others needing maintenance on the parts rack. I do not 'rent' these stoves out!!! All have the same scenarios folks should be aware of to mitigate accidents. Even with plenty of fire extinguisher on hand at the ready... I'd very much caution you using these indoors in the case of an uncontrollable flare up!!!
Thanks I have a 533 as well and had to make a case for it. Prefer the single burner for backpacking and kayaking then those canister things.
Shath, the 533 fits snugly in a Folgers coffee 2lb plastic container, with room for a Coleman pump repair kit.
I feel like I've been waiting for this specific comparison for a long time
I had a Peak 1 multi-fuel for at least 20 years. Trusty damn stove it never let me down, but I did find that keeping the jet clean was a must. The only draw back has been the weight. I finally switched to MSR whisperlite multifuel for the last 17 years.
5:45 man that brings back memories of rhe post lighting pumps to get the flame smoothed out.
Love my 533. By far, not my only stove nor the most used. But it IS my favorite!
Why is the Coleman 533 your favorite?
Your 400 was 'chuffing' which is a sign of intermittent fuel flow. This is caused by a partially clogged generator (the brass tube that crosses over the burner). The way to fix this it to carefully remove the generator, squirt it full of carb cleaner, and gently work the cable that goes through the generator that operates the needle back and forth several times. This will feel rough and scratchy initially, and then as you abrade the softened carbon crud buildup away it will feel much smoother. Let the cleaner and crud drain out, and repeat the process. Then button it up. I run a cap of Seafoam with a tank, and use a premix of one cap of Seafoam per 8 oz in an aluminum fuel bottle. This keeps the fount (tank) and generator clean by dissolving any carbon buildup.
All of these stoves will run unleaded gas or white gas. You can use E10 in a pinch but you don't want to leave it in your tank... best to use ethanol-free "pure" unleaded gas if you're going to use pump gas. The best, of course, is camp stove fuel, aka Coleman fuel or white gas. This is a very light, pure gasoline that stores well for extended times. My point here is that a Coleman stove is a very versatile stove. BTW the Coleman 550B can use white gas, unleaded gasoline, diesel/#2 heating oil, aviation jet fuels, kerosene, or JP-8 as used in military aircraft and the HMMWV. I have run mine on a 50:50 mix of kerosene and white fuel, and it runs very hot. These were issued by the tens of thousands to the military during and after the Gulf War (1990s and early 2000s). You can find them on eBay. IMO this is the best stove for disaster prep as you can always find one of these fuels.
Love my 502 stoves!
I've got a 508 (10-85). I need to pull it apart and give it a clean and check the seals etc. I got it second hand and not sure of it's history. If I had to choose between the two you've got, I'd go the old peak 1.
Edit; just went over to your other channel looking for the dismantle/maintenance/repair video for the peak, and couldn't find one, much to my disappointment. Eagerly awaiting the video.
I still have the 65 and 69 502 from when I was a kid and went camping with my Dad.....I still use them..Never had a problem with them..
Ernie, I have an old Coleman single burner Peak 1 model 576 manufactured February 1978 with dual controls. I also have the newer 533 dual fuel and I can say, without reservation, that the older 576 is far better stove in my opinion. This stove had been gifted to me many years ago by a friend that was moving and had been sitting outside for many years in the weather here in New England. One day, two winters ago, I saw the stove and it's state of neglect and took it apart, cleaned up the pieces as best I could, bought a kit to replace the plunger seal, reassembled it, topped it off with fuel that I've had laying about for close to 40 years and fired it up! While I have not done a comparison boil test between the new and the old, it matters little to me which is quicker. I just need the stove to work when it needs to and heat things or bring things to boil. As camp stoves goes, personally, I think these stoves are about as bullet proof as they get. Just not the sort of stove I'd want to go backpacking any distance with, but if using a conveyance?
I used my Peak 1 for many years making coffee while in the Army, still use it 25 years later.
Just dug out my old Colman single burner to check. It's Model 502-700. The only thing on it that looks like a date is "66" on the bottom. Sounds about right. It belonged to a friend. We went hunting once and he realized he had forgotten it, so we stopped in a hardware store and bought a new one. On returning home he gave me the old one. I used it for years, until it quit working and I went to a dual burner Coleman. I still have the original box, warranty and instruction leaflet. Maybe I'll try to fix it and the old dual burner too. I'm now using a Coleman dual burner propane, not sure the age, but at least 15-20 years old.
Yep my Peak one is 40 years old and going strong...!!
I’ve had my Peak 1 for 40 years and it is the best and most robust stove I have owned. Like you I use white gas that I’ve had kicking around for years with no problems.
Great vid,I have a 97' 508B that does the same as your's(smokin and extra burn).I wonder if you can put the extra valve system of old on the new(if parts are available) they look close in style.
I have a 400 series one probably the 442 that I was given for my 17th birthday. I haven't used it that recently, but do like it for the reasons you say. The feet probably also reduce the chance of scorching underlying ground too
For everyone w leaky valve assemblies on the 533 (fingers get wet w fuel when you turn the valve on)...replace the 2 o-rings in the valve housing w o-rings size 008 (009 if the fit isn't tight enough) made of nitrile (black, fuel resistant), or HNBR (green, even more resistant) ...Harbor Freight sells both versions in kits but you find bigger kits on eBay for less $....also, there is an o-ring that goes bad on the threaded end of the fuel pickup/strainer tube that screws into the valve assembly plus the actual Schraeder valve inside the pickup tube should be cleaned w Sea Foam or replaced periodically...
I also have the 533 and it dose flame out like you’re sometimes but good stove 👍
great video thanks.
Very cool! I have one that was my dad's, can't remember the model, but it's totally adjustable, also have the dual fuel. Unfortunately my dad's needs to be rebuilt, All it does is try to catch on fire 🤣
Thanks for the video, vintage 400 catches my eyes.
Thanks Doc, great video. I agree with you, the 400 is better.
Very helpful video 👍
I’ve got a kinda hybrid of these two which is 508, and absolutely love it. I picked it up for $20 new out of box from a Facebook seller. It has a flame regulator of a peak 1 and a larger tank of a 533. I just don’t understand how it’s never been used since it was manufactured in 1987. Some people just keep it home safe I guess
Yes I bought a couple of them. Becoming rare to get a good one with the simmer control .The later 508 didn’t have the simmer function. The older ones are flat out the best stoves Coleman ever made.Hotter than the 502
I think of the larger Sportster as more of a car camping stove. I had one in the past.
I also have both brown Peak 1 as well as the version in black paint. In the past I had the 550 multi-fuel version.
As I am normally just boiling water, the lack of the more precise flame control on the later Peak 1 does not bother me. It is a bit lighter due to lack of the second control, a few holes in the fold-out legs, etc.
I really enjoy the various single burner Coleman stoves.