I'm a "not a mechanic" for 30 years. While troubleshooting my forklift yesterday, i came across "clutch pack" in the service manual for the first time. I googled it yesterday, once, and now your video comes out, and some of the first words you say are: clutch packs. Cool channel.
@@Arnthorg I use Krown myself. Applied annually during late summer. This gives it time to creep into seams and allow dirt to stick to it. Once there's a good coating of dirt it acts like a sponge holding on to the Krown. Same with fluid film.
@@Arnthorg Fluid film has worked pretty well when applied every fall. The key is getting the factory wax and loose rust off my Silverado frame. My sheet metal is rust free.
*Planned Obsolescence* was taught in universities in the 1950s... here in 2025 some still don't realize that planned obsolescence has been the policy of the "big 3" for over 75 years. There's always going to be a segment of the population that won't understand or value mechanical reliability. Thus provide them with "new" that will break on schedule... if they keep buying then everyone is happy.... win-win all around...
Too bad people aren't intelligent enough to know we control this planet not the other way around with big corporations. Boycott all their asses problem solved when they lose millions or billions a day profit. Sadly that will never happen and quality/durability will never make a come back in the automotive industry.
Dang me! You couldn't pay me to buy a new auto. My last new car buy was in 1985 and I still have it. It ain't much but there is zero rust, it still runs and drives like new and I've only had it worked on twice by a mechanic that I trust. It's a 1985 VW Jetta Diesel and I may have to shift into third gear going over the mountains here in douglas county but I still get 44 mpg.
Screw GM ,in 1990 I bought my wife a brand new chevy Corsica and the paint fell off ,fought to get it fixed,GM denied the claim. I haven't spent a penny on gm junk since. #general motors
It’s not about serviceability….its about getting someone in a six or seven year loan. When it breaks stick someone with a high repair bill because only the dealer can fix it. If you trade it too soon you are so upside down in your loan
This is simple over complication for complications sake. Separate units using different, most likely incompatible fluids, sharing a seal. A separate electric external pump with computerized controller for something that just needs a simple on/off function.
Not everything is more complicated. Brakes and front bearings is less complicated to service. Depends on car but compared to 80's car it is easier to service. As complicated it may appear, cars really, in some ways, need less frequent recurring servicing. Again depends on car.
I live in the rust belt called Wisconsin. I would NEVER drive any vehicle in Winter without giving the under carriage a Fluid Film treatment. Fluids are CHEAP!! I have done this to my '20 used Blazer for 3yrs now, and so far nothing more than SLIGHT surface rust on the back of the front hubs!
The gearset side service isn’t bad but when it comes down to that pump, the way you have to fill it it gets a little difficult. The video should be out this week. I’ve done those fords and even though those are a pain I guess you can say this is similar to it when it comes to the clutch pack service.
I’m not sure why all these car companies use different types of fluids? It’s so easy to make a standard, same thing with lug patterns! Very frustrating!
Another one of GM brilliant ideas like the automatic transmission you need three people to fill it one in the car one to pore the fluid in and one to put the plug in love your video and have a blessed day today 🙏
Design is Haldex/BorgWarner.Probably meant to be lifetime fluids like many other manufactures.You can partly blame that on the EPA,just like extended oil changes that destroy timing chains.Judging by the severe corrosion on that vehicle,it isn't long for the world.
I've got the 2003 version of this on a Saturn Vue with 165,000 miles original fluid and still works fine. It's from Steyr in Austria but very similar concept to the Haldex. Pretty much all this stuff is designed to last the length of a three year lease, after that you're on your own. There's a reason most all mfgrs cut back their powertrain warranty from 100,000 miles to 60,000 miles.
It makes me think of how the Mitsubishi Evo was likely to have the AWD pump fail if it encountered road salt. Those were not the death sentence to those cars. People would pay the price of repair because those cars had fun factor and cool factor. Kits to relocate pumps would save the next pump. It would move the pump up to inside the trunk.
Yea the both do! A lot of people may not agree with me on this but for me a crossover is nothing but a car that’s just a little bit taller or bigger and they usually have all wheel drive systems
It's planned obsolescence. I'm dealing with that right now as a matter of fact. I own a 09 Trailblazer LT 4.2L. It has a broken flex plate. It's an 09 only part, and it's discontinued. The aftermarket does not make one either. I've been looking for a good used one for about a month now.
If it’s not broke, don’t screw with it - - a whole lot of things we have to contend with today and more tomorrow were not broke - - proof is in the fact that many vehicles or at least some that were manufactured decades ago are still on the road and run beautifully - - they were not broke. They shouldn’t of been fixed, but this is how the big three rake in billions of dollars and engineers and designers keep their jobs by planning out crappy products yearly. It was not enough to improve safety features but all this other SH - - is not necessary.
This isn’t a repair video it’s information about GM differential designs. When I do repair videos which are out on Fridays I share all the car information in the beginning of the video.
That car not being oiled is the owners fault. I'm in southern Ontario where they salt roads like crazy and rust isn't an issue if you oil consistently.
Thanks. I won't ever buy any "AWD" vehicle. Eithed FWD or 4WD for me. My old Jeep Cherokee makes me happy when I want four wheel drive. I am in a or the rustbelt.
Don’t get me wrong all wheel drive is better for areas where the weather changes rapidly like the Midwest. I just don’t recommend people buy them for the sole purpose of thinking it can get out of any sort of deep snow type of situation for that you need the real 4 x 4. For most people I recommend an all-wheel-drive vehicle a, especially around the Midwest. It’s a little bit more maintenance but with the weather changes it’s definitely safer on the road.
You want to stop this planned obsolescence crap... Then consumers need to educate themselves and at least have some basic mechanical knowledge... This will serve all of us well cause then people will stop buying these crap boxes...and it will force the makers too change...even change the tide of government telling companies how to build products, as this is not just cars it's everything that's throw away!.. And throw away last time I checked is not good for the environment!!
4:46 does that lower right corner of the differential housing around the bolt to the clutch housing look cracked to anyone else? Or is it just a casting mark?
It's a casting mark looks like they machined it, when I was editing the video I noticed it and thankfully the car was still here and I look at it to verify.
now is the samr Servicing for a four-wheel drive Silverado with a V8 that doesn't have the Z71 package. Because I have a 2020 Silverado that doesn't have four low so I'm assuming this is the same all-wheel drive system it's horrendous
LOL on planned obsolescence. This is just a reality of anything mechanical. Life requirement is always a design requirement. It goes with cost, weight, performance, and durability. These are also conflicting and designer engineers have to balance along fitting the part in the space available. Easy to be critical not knowing the challenges the engineer may have had. There are also many other reasons to a "bad" design.
I don’t disregard that engineers have certain limitations and things they have to fight when they’re creating these designs but at the end of the day if you can’t create it with minimal issues for the long haul, why even try to make it also I completely understand the whole planned obsolescence thing I know it’s been going on for years I don’t see it being as practical anymore because people are starting to wake up to this crap.
@TheEnthusiastMechanic I really don't think you do understand based on comment. My point was it isn't something that just appeared. It is basic to engineering to design to a life requirement. Engineer designing race car parts has performance and weight requirements over cost and life. Life would be enough to last some requirement amount of race time between replacement. It's a trade. I have no idea what life criteria engineers go by in auto industry nor know if it has changed over the years. Most you see are just poor designs for probably due to bad work culture, inexperience, bad day, or changing operation conditions variables. My experience is aerospace and most definitely design to life as it can be a safety risk. Even there, some part fail despite engineering reviews and testing. Hard to explain typing on a phone to a comment. What is needed is better longer warranty standards. Then all car manufacturers would be on same page to life requirements. Maybe life requirement is standardized in the auto industry.
No way I'd ever buy AWD anything. Maybe if you live in the mountains. FWD I have driven through 10 inches and plowed through drifts in the Chicago area and have never, not even once, gotten stuck.
@@donovanwilliams5424 it’s good but it’s not a 4wd there is a bit difference between the two i’m not saying this all-wheel-drive systems are incapable, but the four-wheel-drive systems are more heavy duty
@@donovanwilliams5424The old Subarus that were 4wd were much better. I had a Brat and it was amazing. Much simpler than the later AWD systems. Even the older FWD Subarus are unstoppable in the snow. I drive a 79 Subaru DL wagon.
@@falcorthewonderdog2758 😂😂😂😂… of course what do I know about these? I only have two service them and replace them. I guess I’m not qualified to talk about them because I’m only a mechanic. It’s not like it’s a part of my job or anything right?😂
I live in the rust belt in Vermont,there are not problematic.we are not having issues with the 1.5 or 2.0. Great reliable engines.the 1.4 is a piece of shit.
I didn't work on anything in the video I just talked about a gm system. The video comes out on Friday where I actually work on it that video will have everything you're asking for.
I cannot figure all the butt hurt displayed on some u tubes, over E.V's. From an engineering logical perspective, and personal experience, All the downsides of internal cumbusted engines and power trains are alleviated, and much better driving experience delivered. Gasoline and car repairs carry much clout when picking your pockets.
@eyeh8theleft You know what I don’t understand when people comment something on a video that has nothing to do with it. What I’m referring to in this video is not an electric vehicle. It’s a gasoline powered car with a really bad differential set up so I have no idea why you’re on here commenting about electric vehicles keep the comment section for the topic at hand!
I'm a "not a mechanic" for 30 years. While troubleshooting my forklift yesterday, i came across "clutch pack" in the service manual for the first time. I googled it yesterday, once, and now your video comes out, and some of the first words you say are: clutch packs. Cool channel.
Yes, big brother is listening, in a helpful way. You google and your utube algorithm is updated.
An engineer caught a mechanic with his wife, and we've paid for it ever since.
😂😂😂😂…. hearing that never gets old I always crack up at it.
But she was very satisfied
Haldex is a Swedish company and making a lot of 4x4 system for VW and some other car makers.
Planned obsolescence. Living in the rust belt I can say rustproofing is your friend. Fluid film, Krown etc.
Anything but zeibart. That garbage is rust enhancer.
in my experience the water will just wash the fluid film away, what has your experience been with fluid film?
@@Arnthorg I use Krown myself. Applied annually during late summer. This gives it time to creep into seams and allow dirt to stick to it. Once there's a good coating of dirt it acts like a sponge holding on to the Krown. Same with fluid film.
@@redwoodforest3572Ive seen Michigan plow trucks look pristine underneath because of fluid film lol what are you on about
@@Arnthorg Fluid film has worked pretty well when applied every fall. The key is getting the factory wax and loose rust off my Silverado frame. My sheet metal is rust free.
*Planned Obsolescence* was taught in universities in the 1950s... here in 2025 some still don't realize that planned obsolescence has been the policy of the "big 3" for over 75 years. There's always going to be a segment of the population that won't understand or value mechanical reliability. Thus provide them with "new" that will break on schedule... if they keep buying then everyone is happy.... win-win all around...
Too bad people aren't intelligent enough to know we control this planet not the other way around with big corporations. Boycott all their asses problem solved when they lose millions or billions a day profit. Sadly that will never happen and quality/durability will never make a come back in the automotive industry.
Dang me! You couldn't pay me to buy a new auto. My last new car buy was in 1985 and I still have it. It ain't much but there is zero rust, it still runs and drives like new and I've only had it worked on twice by a mechanic that I trust. It's a 1985 VW Jetta Diesel and I may have to shift into third gear going over the mountains here in douglas county but I still get 44 mpg.
Cars are designed to be disposable.
This is what happens when you put too many engineers in a room too small for them.
Screw GM ,in 1990 I bought my wife a brand new chevy Corsica and the paint fell off ,fought to get it fixed,GM denied the claim. I haven't spent a penny on gm junk since. #general motors
It’s not about serviceability….its about getting someone in a six or seven year loan. When it breaks stick someone with a high repair bill because only the dealer can fix it. If you trade it too soon you are so upside down in your loan
This is simple over complication for complications sake. Separate units using different, most likely incompatible fluids, sharing a seal. A separate electric external pump with computerized controller for something that just needs a simple on/off function.
I agree it seems like the engineering team was trying to be too smart.
Everything in automotive industry is way too complicated.
Not everything is more complicated. Brakes and front bearings is less complicated to service. Depends on car but compared to 80's car it is easier to service. As complicated it may appear, cars really, in some ways, need less frequent recurring servicing. Again depends on car.
I live in the rust belt called Wisconsin. I would NEVER drive any vehicle in Winter without giving the under carriage a Fluid Film treatment. Fluids are CHEAP!! I have done this to my '20 used Blazer for 3yrs now, and so far nothing more than SLIGHT surface rust on the back of the front hubs!
Access doesn't look to bad. Fords like the Escape/Explorer/Taurus are much worse since the rear diff has no drain plug, and the fill plug is buried.
The gearset side service isn’t bad but when it comes down to that pump, the way you have to fill it it gets a little difficult. The video should be out this week. I’ve done those fords and even though those are a pain I guess you can say this is similar to it when it comes to the clutch pack service.
I don't think it's that bad.
I’m not sure why all these car companies use different types of fluids? It’s so easy to make a standard, same thing with lug patterns! Very frustrating!
To keep you from buying aftermarket fluids
That is why rear wheel drove is the best. These newer cars are overpriced and difficult to repair.
Another one of GM brilliant ideas like the automatic transmission you need three people to fill it one in the car one to pore the fluid in and one to put the plug in love your video and have a blessed day today 🙏
Thank you!
Design is Haldex/BorgWarner.Probably meant to be lifetime fluids like many other manufactures.You can partly blame that on the EPA,just like extended oil changes that destroy timing chains.Judging by the severe corrosion on that vehicle,it isn't long for the world.
I've got the 2003 version of this on a Saturn Vue with 165,000 miles original fluid and still works fine. It's from Steyr in Austria but very similar concept to the Haldex. Pretty much all this stuff is designed to last the length of a three year lease, after that you're on your own. There's a reason most all mfgrs cut back their powertrain warranty from 100,000 miles to 60,000 miles.
the bonus is that the drain and fill plugs are steel in an aluminum case which creates bi-metalic corrosion
Don’t forget to change the filter in the haldex unit this tech come from Saab
It makes me think of how the Mitsubishi Evo was likely to have the AWD pump fail if it encountered road salt.
Those were not the death sentence to those cars. People would pay the price of repair because those cars had fun factor and cool factor.
Kits to relocate pumps would save the next pump. It would move the pump up to inside the trunk.
So cars and crossovers use this system ?
Yea the both do! A lot of people may not agree with me on this but for me a crossover is nothing but a car that’s just a little bit taller or bigger and they usually have all wheel drive systems
@TheEnthusiastMechanic So your better off with a 5.3 Tahoe,Yukon etc..and deal with them problems.
@@GrizC I guess that’s one way you could go about it. I would just avoid GM.
It's planned obsolescence. I'm dealing with that right now as a matter of fact. I own a 09 Trailblazer LT 4.2L. It has a broken flex plate. It's an 09 only part, and it's discontinued. The aftermarket does not make one either. I've been looking for a good used one for about a month now.
Hopefully you’ll find a used one.
The way jeep Cherokee has a plastic transmission pan is diabolical
I said that when I saw the first fiberglass engine oil pan on a Detroit Diesel 60 series back in the 1990s but it worked.
If it’s not broke, don’t screw with it - - a whole lot of things we have to contend with today and more tomorrow were not broke - - proof is in the fact that many vehicles or at least some that were manufactured decades ago are still on the road and run beautifully - - they were not broke. They shouldn’t of been fixed, but this is how the big three rake in billions of dollars and engineers and designers keep their jobs by planning out crappy products yearly. It was not enough to improve safety features but all this other SH - - is not necessary.
I'll tell you what I know. 'No' to EV.
Could u tell us what year and model u are working on when u make a video?
This isn’t a repair video it’s information about GM differential designs. When I do repair videos which are out on Fridays I share all the car information in the beginning of the video.
@@TheEnthusiastMechanicsooo … WTF ? We don’t need to know ? Silly bullshit -
Eh. My 05 Volvo S40 has the same haldex system. 20 years and 210k miles. Works fine. FCP Euro carries maintenance items for these at a decent price
My 05 Volvo xc70 Haldex DEM failed in the car wash. Water got into the circuit board. Keep an eye on yours ;)
Haldex is from Sweden..... and they make a lot for VW as well
2 carrier bearinjgs on the driveline? More planned wearout failures?
It's definitely a weak point in the design.
This looks easy compared to a PTU service on a Ford 3.5 ecoboost.
@@mikehammer1588 this is the rear differential on this vehicle. It’s not a PTU.
Disgusting what America auto makers have become. 😰
Nobody keeps those cars past warranty. 🤷♂️
4:45... Broken mount. Replace differential, charge customer, call it a day.
What year is that truck ?
2014 buick regal its a car
I wouldn’t bother changing fluid in that one. It’ll rust to pieces before the gears wear out.
😂
That car not being oiled is the owners fault. I'm in southern Ontario where they salt roads like crazy and rust isn't an issue if you oil consistently.
Not many people undercoat their cars here in the winter unfortunately, especially little cars like this
I say this is ... '' Planned Obsolensence ''
Welcome to the 21st Century Honda been doing this for years on SH-AWD.
The SH-AWD hasn't been terrible as far as failures i rarely get one here with issues but, I've never owned one myself
Thanks. I won't ever buy any "AWD" vehicle. Eithed FWD or 4WD for me. My old Jeep Cherokee makes me happy when I want four wheel drive. I am in a or the rustbelt.
Don’t get me wrong all wheel drive is better for areas where the weather changes rapidly like the Midwest. I just don’t recommend people buy them for the sole purpose of thinking it can get out of any sort of deep snow type of situation for that you need the real 4 x 4.
For most people I recommend an all-wheel-drive vehicle a, especially around the Midwest. It’s a little bit more maintenance but with the weather changes it’s definitely safer on the road.
Undersized over engineered it’ll last long enough.
You want to stop this planned obsolescence crap... Then consumers need to educate themselves and at least have some basic mechanical knowledge... This will serve all of us well cause then people will stop buying these crap boxes...and it will force the makers too change...even change the tide of government telling companies how to build products, as this is not just cars it's everything that's throw away!.. And throw away last time I checked is not good for the environment!!
@@moparnut6286 that’s why I try to make these videos to try to help educate people. Hopefully it reaches a few of them.
4:46 does that lower right corner of the differential housing around the bolt to the clutch housing look cracked to anyone else? Or is it just a casting mark?
It's a casting mark looks like they machined it, when I was editing the video I noticed it and thankfully the car was still here and I look at it to verify.
nice 👍
2022 chevy colorado rear end metal shavings bad main bering 55000 miles
They’ve had problems with transfer cases and rear ends on those
Thats why I have a 470hp 4 cylinder 1996 SAAB that gets 32 mph that I paid 4900.00 that is one of the safest cars ever built.
@@eazystreet5507 those SAAB’s are pretty sweet. They’re starting to get major value nowadays I’ve seen a few go for a pretty penny.
470hp from a Saab?
Yeah ok lol
@ lol SAAB 9000 2.4. LOOK IT UP DUMMY! You must be MAGA.
@@samholdsworth420 lol What you know isn't much. Look it up SAAB 450hp . W. A. M.
It's all built cheap on purpose people so the shops can make money on labor costs and parts
What vehicle is it?
This is a Buick regal
Brilliant!
now is the samr Servicing for a four-wheel drive Silverado with a V8 that doesn't have the Z71 package. Because I have a 2020 Silverado that doesn't have four low so I'm assuming this is the same all-wheel drive system it's horrendous
If you don’t have the option to switch into four lower for how you may have an all-wheel-drive
"If you haven't figured it out it's a GM product..." That one comment says it all!😆 RIP GM!
😂
LOL on planned obsolescence. This is just a reality of anything mechanical. Life requirement is always a design requirement. It goes with cost, weight, performance, and durability. These are also conflicting and designer engineers have to balance along fitting the part in the space available. Easy to be critical not knowing the challenges the engineer may have had. There are also many other reasons to a "bad" design.
I don’t disregard that engineers have certain limitations and things they have to fight when they’re creating these designs but at the end of the day if you can’t create it with minimal issues for the long haul, why even try to make it also I completely understand the whole planned obsolescence thing I know it’s been going on for years I don’t see it being as practical anymore because people are starting to wake up to this crap.
@TheEnthusiastMechanic I really don't think you do understand based on comment. My point was it isn't something that just appeared. It is basic to engineering to design to a life requirement. Engineer designing race car parts has performance and weight requirements over cost and life. Life would be enough to last some requirement amount of race time between replacement. It's a trade. I have no idea what life criteria engineers go by in auto industry nor know if it has changed over the years. Most you see are just poor designs for probably due to bad work culture, inexperience, bad day, or changing operation conditions variables. My experience is aerospace and most definitely design to life as it can be a safety risk. Even there, some part fail despite engineering reviews and testing. Hard to explain typing on a phone to a comment.
What is needed is better longer warranty standards. Then all car manufacturers would be on same page to life requirements. Maybe life requirement is standardized in the auto industry.
MORE OVER ENGINEERED/HIGH MAINT JUNK/ BUILT BY GM
I have that , 170k no issues
Good to hear you have a good unit there!
No way I'd ever buy AWD anything. Maybe if you live in the mountains. FWD I have driven through 10 inches and plowed through drifts in the Chicago area and have never, not even once, gotten stuck.
I'm not the biggest fan of AWD I prefer 4wd that you can activate when you want it's more rugged!
Subaru AWD is simple, effective, reliable and amazing.
@@donovanwilliams5424 it’s good but it’s not a 4wd there is a bit difference between the two i’m not saying this all-wheel-drive systems are incapable, but the four-wheel-drive systems are more heavy duty
@@donovanwilliams5424The old Subarus that were 4wd were much better. I had a Brat and it was amazing. Much simpler than the later AWD systems. Even the older FWD Subarus are unstoppable in the snow. I drive a 79 Subaru DL wagon.
Subarus aren't that simple and you have to replace all 4 tires at once or you'll damage the system
A zip tie on the one rear control and and a crack in the other?
The zip tie was holing the abs speed sensor wire, and it was rusted that why it looked like a crack
Try doing a water pump on that 2.0 motor 😮😮😮😮
I've done them and hated it every single time!
It's sad that you make comments about a system you know nothing about. Quit complaining.
@@falcorthewonderdog2758 😂😂😂😂… of course what do I know about these? I only have two service them and replace them. I guess I’m not qualified to talk about them because I’m only a mechanic. It’s not like it’s a part of my job or anything right?😂
Looks like a good vehicle to dump at 100,000
I would say right after the warranty is up 😁
I live in the rust belt in Vermont,there are not problematic.we are not having issues with the 1.5 or 2.0. Great reliable engines.the 1.4 is a piece of shit.
This video isn’t about the engine on this vehicle it’s the rear differential system.
@ yes,but what’s the point if we don’t know what you are working on.Gm makes more than 1 suv!
I didn't work on anything in the video I just talked about a gm system. The video comes out on Friday where I actually work on it that video will have everything you're asking for.
@@TheEnthusiastMechanic ok man.
Weight loss!
Hes taken the seat, these DEI engineer hires are getting canned dont worry.
We just need engineers to do their jobs correctly
What makes you think GM actually employs any engineers? 🤣
😂😂😂😂
What makes you think any of them employ engineers.
I want my whale oil!!!
I cannot figure all the butt hurt displayed on some u tubes, over E.V's. From an engineering logical perspective, and personal experience, All the downsides of internal cumbusted engines and power trains are alleviated, and much better driving experience delivered. Gasoline and car repairs carry much clout when picking your pockets.
@eyeh8theleft You know what I don’t understand when people comment something on a video that has nothing to do with it. What I’m referring to in this video is not an electric vehicle. It’s a gasoline powered car with a really bad differential set up so I have no idea why you’re on here commenting about electric vehicles keep the comment section for the topic at hand!
Good point Mike. There’s plenty of other places for that discussion. This is one about the lack of easy service of the GM AWD differential.
Designed to fail
You got that right!
3:12 no shit?
😂 I know if I didn’t mention that no one would believe me lol 😆
Again American consumers getting suckered into believing thatall wheel drive is the be all by European technical
U always find i*#"$*@ buy gm.