A bit like nation states; their kings and politicians. There was (and still is) a reason why the anointed heads of religious sects and governments and judges were as thick as thieves..
@@adamoakes7743 Kim Il Sung is the everywhere holy spirit and president. Kim Jong Il is the father and former secretary. Kim Jong Un is the miracle providing son that will bring eternal salvation to North Korea.n
You know I hear a lot of religious people (especially Christians) demanding tolerance when it comes to there beliefs they want to live and let live, fair enough but I find it odd that everytime I watch a Hitchens, Dawkins, or Hicks debate the comment section is filled with Christians who can't or won't do anybody else the same courtesy
First of all, many people have been converted to Christianity with a sharp blade pressed against their throat. And second, on Christianity, not believing makes you bound for Hell. This means that many Christians are living in constant fear and despair over the imagined coming eternal torture of their friends, and of of themselves in the sometimes likely scenario that they were to lose their faith. Don´t have the audacity to tell us the Christianity doesn´t have a streak of coercion.
The idea of ANY eternal life in ANY conditions is horrendous. Our minds are 'designed' in everything that we do to see a beginning, a middle and an end in everything. Without our feeling of a limited time, we would do or achieve nothing. In heaven, after the first 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 years..what's left to do? Another fucking day, more praising, singing...more ANYTHING would be so, so tiresome. You would long for death and release. This is hell.
@jpwe10 How is it not a theocracy? The dead father is the head of the state and made to be an eternal God with eternal rules and power. Does this sound familiar? (Hint:Christianity)
@@cheesemccheese5780 How is what is described in Acts 4:34-35 NOT communism? The members sold all they had and shared the proceeds with the whole church. No one owned anything, and there was no poor. No, not Stalin-style authoritarian communism but a theocratic and pure form of it.
@@cheesemccheese5780 Also the parable about the labourers in the vineyard (Matthew 20:1-16) where all the workers received the same reward no matter how long they toiled during the day. That's also communism. As it says there, "many are called, but few chosen". In other words, if you can't be happy being a communist, you aren't cut out to be in the kingdom of heaven!
I am an atheist. I voted this down. Do I wish to be a slave? No. Do I wish for others to be? No. but I do envy the fact that (monotheistic) religion can be the way that people find solace, meaning and happiness in their lives. To insinuate that it is foolish for them to believe in something that makes them happy is very sour indeed, when we are faced with someone seeming really unhappy who obviously does not. Indeed. This man makes a very poor case for atheism indeed.
@4ta2r Hitchens was pointing out the similarties between divine dictatorship and a human dictatorship. He wasn't making the case that people can break the laws of physics like a god or grant people wishes or that they "follow the same rules". The idea of god is man made and therefore god is given human like qualities.
@Oilisdeathtomany Not to be rude, but you simply know nothing of the logic of the Bible. Your idea of our God is indeed "a non-performing Santa Claus". But this is not the God that actually exists. The real God has revealed his characteristics in the Bible, and he is still open to you learning - but he expects you to come on his terms. At this point it seems to me you have no interest in doing that. If you ever do, let me know. Thanks for commenting.
@twistedbass15 If your dad were a judge and you had committed a crime, would you also just expect him to dismiss your case because he loved you? Would he be right to do so? That's the situation you're in with God, just in case you're interested.
@ivlfounder Yes, some, but what relevance does that have to the argument Hitchens made? Hitchens is a good friend of Francis Collins, that does not mean they can't disagree on religion and politics like anyone else.
@Boston92034543 In the 19th century London a debate to "prove God exists" was actually cancelled after a famous Christian offered to bring 50 believers whose lives had changed if his challenger could bring just one atheist who could say the same. The atheist cancelled. It's just a story from history, but I suspect if you did your own research, you'd find similar results.
At this writing, the link posted by ForaTV for the whole video actually does play the whole video, unlike nearly all recent links that offered the videos only for money. I was near ready to unsubscribe from such a teaser channel.
@ivlfounder What does this have to do with the point Hitchens was making? You are going out of your way to prove one of his minor points, that the dear leader may not be criticized. You are still not able to grasp that criticism of religion is not the same as criticizing a person or institution. You are pleading that those who disagree with one another on anything should be excluded from each other. Its downright silly. End of discussion.
@@croraf yup🙂that's me. My accounts still exist but I'm not a "creator". I used to post videos for my family in the solarcoreg acct. Now I use this one exclusively for viewing.
Wow; refreshing clarity from an American about America. Yes; Russians were told to bow to totalitarianism, Americans to Mammon: both are left with nothing..
@IronChefWannabe I bow down to your superior intellect and dazzling powers of discussion. Ad hominem, argument. Therefore you lose the debate. Have a nice day :)
@Dafariii The NIH did not appear out of think air. It's only the recent mutation of a long line of public health institutions in America. And guess what's often at their founding?
Watching the video for the second time, and realizing to what the people are actually laughing to, makes me feel uncomfortable and sad. (Even though Hitchens does have a stand-up comedian vibe)
@angyeekiang You wonder if he does any acts of kindness and love in his life? He is married, has a child, has a family, has friends. Of course he does. You wonder if he does, and, having no proof that he does not, condemn him. How is that fair?
N.Korea is atheist country and is a product of atheist thinking. i never heard about a "christian dictatorship" .European Christian countries ( monarchies) enjoyed the best life in the past
Theotherview: It has nothing to do with emotion. If your god sends people to hell (which he created) forever, for not obeying him, then this god is morally bankrupt on a level no human could possibly be. Eternal heaven would soon turn into eternal hell after a few hundred thousand years or so. but you can't escape, infinite has only just begun. ;)
@MsHojat I'm not Christian. Yes, that would include all peoples and for that matter, even someone who was raised religious is not necessarily going to hell because they gave it up. We don't know what each person's free will is. So, yes you could be a good Muslim or good atheist and still go to heaven.
@Tome4kkkk i see, you still didnt bother to listen. or is it a lack of comprehension skills? let me help you out: he actually tells about his source and he refers to their understanding of heaven. i might be slow (no arguments here) but at least sometimes i get it eventually. maybe thats where we differ. i have no idea what matt damon has to do with it. like his movies tho. no, but justin bieber is, just like christopher hithcens, an indicator of success.
@GambitFox79 Idk, science works and isn't dogmatic. They're two completely different ways of thinking. One is about reason, evidence and evolution of ideas and thinking and the other is about dogma, superstition, empty promises and prolonged histories of child abuse. I just go for the system that works when it comes to information about the reality I live in.
I just said: this is your argument?! Is it more constructive to have a job for the sake of it? Being employed in something completely useless like guarding elevators?!
@theheinzification "He greatly influenced the atheist-theist debate." Yeah, especially those who were already atheists. Because you know how humans are apt to seek only the knowledge that suits their current beliefs. Oh wait, isn't it the common argument that suppose to highlight "the christians inherent bigotry". "what was your point again?" For you and other slow people - 'The crappy mini-lecture does not fit the Fora TV'.
@Zwemer100 So, what you say is basically, that a guy who commanded us to hate our families in order to fully obey him, entails more of "the truth" than a modern, educated defender of our society who recommends us to question our nature ? What a miserable view on the world.
@NesselEss thats the dumbest counter-argument Ive ever heard... its not that "other gods arent allowed" its that there is only One God who is omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent... so taking any object as God is wrong. If God is the source of everything, then there is no room for any other "gods"... think logically.
@ivlfounder You're joking. Where does Hitchens run down the NIH? He only has praise for Collins and his staff. You may not have noticed but America is a secular country with freedom of speech. You may also not have noticed that it is religion that is retarding your nation's science education and research. Just because a person with xyz political or religious viewpoint works at the NIH does not mean that position is above criticism. Get real.
@sunRsaturn Do you actually think the laws of physics and an immovable dictator that can send you into hell for all eternity are basically the same thing? Is this some kind of joke or are you just completely irrational?
@arthurbulan All of the Old Testament laws will be binding forever. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." Luke 16:17
@pulsatingremedy I love chips too, but when I've had them 46 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 times and seen every programme on tv 67 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 times I would beg for release!!
Hitch was a true prophet. A discipline if you will. Did you know Hitchens died 2 days before Kim Jong Il? Which means 3 days after Hitch's passing, it indeed became a trinity. Almost like divine intervention. I think on a serious note, atheists who wish they could believe are not talking about eternal worship of a charlatan who lived 1,500, 2,000 or 6,000 years ago whatever monotheistic jersey you wear. But human beings are immensely afraid of death. It's very difficult to part with the ego and the idea of self, and we all sort of wish we could be reunited with our dead relatives with whom we never got to say goodbye, sentient but free of all pain and need.
@Pilaf1984 That's a really cynical interpretation of my message. Just become one has faith in a deity doesn't mean that they blindly follow the morals of a scripture - I'm a baptised Christian, yes, but I swear, drink alcohol, and am pretty materialistic and greedy in regards to money. But, having this placebo-like instinct that something is watching over me can help keep my ego in check. If you have a non-deistic method for that, then cool; we're all individuals with our own decisions.
@Tome4kkkk i sure learned a lot form him. ive heared several statements of ex-theist, telling that christopher hitchens and others of his caliber made them think and started their deconversion or were a great resource of knowlegde for them. i hear often, that the number of atheists, at least in the usa, is growing and growing. coincidence? if you point is about the format, then all you said has nothing to do with your arguments. if it was about content, well, *sigh*
@derek24hudson "An eternity together with your whole family"... if that isn't scary enough, what more do you need? Not to mention that all the people that are fun are in hell. Also, considering that pain is an electrical signal coming from the nerves of your body.. that you don't have anymore when you're in hell, a bath in a magma-whirlpool mit be more comfortable than one might think.... + every drugdealer and prostitute but no body to damage... sounds more heavenly to me....
@Tome4kkkk "who da fuck told him that" hint: listening helps. "...assumptions..." yep, but not his assumptions. next itme listen, listen again and then comment. "get a hobby" this guy is seen as one of the greatest philosophers of our time. he made a fortune with his writings. he greatly influenced the atheist-theist debate. he converted a whole lot of theists (an assumption on my side, but ive hear a few testemonies), giving them a happier life. what was your point again?
@MsHojat No, for someone who e.g. never heard the rules, doesn't know of god, was born into a family of atheists etc. then they are not going to hell necessarily. They are judged only within the range of what they could possibly know is right and wrong.
My thoughts on faith are this: you either have it, or you don't. If someone has faith in a higher being, and if they use that faith constructively to try and guide their morality and help them achieve happiness and success in life (which, let's be honest, is the essential meaning of life) without pushing it down other people's throats (and forcing them to conform), then there's nothing wrong with it! Live and let live!
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS & you're already a failure for not spelling the name of your own god correctly I think the "Thou shalt not take the lord's name in vain" rule might be applicable
Super old comment but how is that not coercion? It’s like holding a gun to someone’s head and saying to worship them. If you don’t I’ll shoot you, but it’s entirely your choice to worship me or not.
@AugustosMaximus yes North Korea is an atheistic state - communism kind of silly to miss this fairly obvious point - (communism stalin, kruschev etc abolish christianity and religion etc
You do make difference between Orthodox and Roman-Catholic Church? It's not pathetic propaganda. The Orthodox Community in Pyongyang was blessed and visited by today's Russian Patriarch, as well by other bishops, the Korean priests were trained in Russia. President Kim Il Sung said that everyone has right to chose religion and that every priest has duty to pray for prosperity of DPR Korea.
@Dafariii Who said religion could not be criticized? You know I didn't yet that's what you accuse me of. I see no reason to continue with a gutter snipe. check and mate.
@theheinzification "next itme listen, listen again and then comment." The source of his imagination of paradise can only be his arse. None of our fairytale books describe paradise as a "land of eternal prayers and that's it". "this guy is seen as one of the greatest philosophers of our time." Something like Matt Damon? :D "he made a fortune with his writings." Is Justin Bieber's fortune an indicator of the value of his music?
@NesselEss They don't call their leader a "god". Therefore they must be Atheists since they don't believe in a deity or many. This is where you fail. You are assuming they are monotheistic. They clearly aren't since the acknowledge he is a man and not a supernatural deity.
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Religion: Turning human beings into herd animals for thousands of years, and making them proud of being sheep.
Yes, that’s what happened when u tell a psychopath person there is no hell, which led them to do terrible atrocities
@@ck_banana_noob7145, yes because humans need a divine creature to lead them to the right path lmao
@@DomainAspect what’s the right path
A bit like nation states; their kings and politicians. There was (and still is) a reason why the anointed heads of religious sects and governments and judges were as thick as thieves..
"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward then brother, that person is a piece of shit." -True Detective.
When Hitch made that speech, he didn't know the North Korea Trinity was later achieved. Eternal paradise now.
Waits where’s the Holy Spirit?
@@adamoakes7743 Kim Il Sung is the everywhere holy spirit and president.
Kim Jong Il is the father and former secretary.
Kim Jong Un is the miracle providing son that will bring eternal salvation to North Korea.n
Talk about nailing down my perception of growing up in the Bible belt of Saskatchewan. Thank you Christopher Hitchens for putting it into words.
I know he makes the conparison between North Korea and many of the world’s religions a lot, but I just can’t get enough of it!
You know I hear a lot of religious people (especially Christians) demanding tolerance when it comes to there beliefs they want to live and let live, fair enough but I find it odd that everytime I watch a Hitchens, Dawkins, or Hicks debate the comment section is filled with Christians who can't or won't do anybody else the same courtesy
You can't be moral with god, just obedient. Obedience to god is just obedience to power. Not ethics.
Fool God makes ethics educate yourself next time before coming here
First of all, many people have been converted to Christianity with a sharp blade pressed against their throat. And second, on Christianity, not believing makes you bound for Hell. This means that many Christians are living in constant fear and despair over the imagined coming eternal torture of their friends, and of of themselves in the sometimes likely scenario that they were to lose their faith. Don´t have the audacity to tell us the Christianity doesn´t have a streak of coercion.
The idea of ANY eternal life in ANY conditions is horrendous. Our minds are 'designed' in everything that we do to see a beginning, a middle and an end in everything. Without our feeling of a limited time, we would do or achieve nothing. In heaven, after the first 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 years..what's left to do? Another fucking day, more praising, singing...more ANYTHING would be so, so tiresome. You would long for death and release. This is hell.
That's why I prefer an eternity in _this_ world. At least here, new media will keep me entertained for centuries.
@4ta2r Monotheism is the belief in a dictatorship. You can't vote for a new god or remove the existing one.
Amen brother. Spot on. RIP Hitchens.
Awomen
first view and like on a hitchens and foratv vid, what an honour.
Any idea, whether religious or political, which asks for complete obedience, must be disobeyed and questioned.
What a fucking brilliant mind. If god exists, he/she/it is getting hitchslapped right now.
"It would be nice it were true".... "No it wouldn't'' - bang on hitchens, correct.
my grandmother used to own that bookstore, but she sold it a few months ago
If someone could prove God exists I still wouldn't worship it.
@jpwe10 How is it not a theocracy? The dead father is the head of the state and made to be an eternal God with eternal rules and power. Does this sound familiar? (Hint:Christianity)
This guy is right.
It is now December 16th, 2011, and I just found out Hitchens died.
I'm a Christian, but I gotta admit, this guy cracks me up!!
I'd take Christianity over Communism ANY DAY.
Christianity IS communism, as originally practiced. See Acts 4:32 through Acts 5:11
@@nordicexile7378 lmao. No it's not.
@@cheesemccheese5780 How is what is described in Acts 4:34-35 NOT communism? The members sold all they had and shared the proceeds with the whole church. No one owned anything, and there was no poor. No, not Stalin-style authoritarian communism but a theocratic and pure form of it.
@@cheesemccheese5780 Also the parable about the labourers in the vineyard (Matthew 20:1-16) where all the workers received the same reward no matter how long they toiled during the day. That's also communism. As it says there, "many are called, but few chosen". In other words, if you can't be happy being a communist, you aren't cut out to be in the kingdom of heaven!
I am an atheist. I voted this down. Do I wish to be a slave? No. Do I wish for others to be? No. but I do envy the fact that (monotheistic) religion can be the way that people find solace, meaning and happiness in their lives. To insinuate that it is foolish for them to believe in something that makes them happy is very sour indeed, when we are faced with someone seeming really unhappy who obviously does not. Indeed. This man makes a very poor case for atheism indeed.
Ignorance is bliss. Reality is under no obligations to make you happy. But do look up Atheism 2.0 by Alain de Button.
@@tuele4302 You're a bit late.
@4ta2r Hitchens was pointing out the similarties between divine dictatorship and a human dictatorship. He wasn't making the case that people can break the laws of physics like a god or grant people wishes or that they "follow the same rules". The idea of god is man made and therefore god is given human like qualities.
He was the greatest yet most can't understand him.
What is the name of the article on North Korea that he mentioned?
Thanks, FORA ... only about 51 months after the fact ...
@Oilisdeathtomany Not to be rude, but you simply know nothing of the logic of the Bible. Your idea of our God is indeed "a non-performing Santa Claus". But this is not the God that actually exists. The real God has revealed his characteristics in the Bible, and he is still open to you learning - but he expects you to come on his terms. At this point it seems to me you have no interest in doing that. If you ever do, let me know. Thanks for commenting.
@AugustosMaximus Oh I am using that phrase from now on! Hitchslap! Brilliant. Thank you!
@twistedbass15 If your dad were a judge and you had committed a crime, would you also just expect him to dismiss your case because he loved you? Would he be right to do so? That's the situation you're in with God, just in case you're interested.
@GambitFox79 Outside of the emotional aspect. What do you disagree with? You think faith is an important attribute to have?
@ivlfounder Yes, some, but what relevance does that have to the argument Hitchens made? Hitchens is a good friend of Francis Collins, that does not mean they can't disagree on religion and politics like anyone else.
@TheShaitanjr Very Ironic how the "Dear Leader" of North Korea dies just days after Hitchens passing. Incredibly ironic infact.
@Boston92034543 In the 19th century London a debate to "prove God exists" was actually cancelled after a famous Christian offered to bring 50 believers whose lives had changed if his challenger could bring just one atheist who could say the same. The atheist cancelled. It's just a story from history, but I suspect if you did your own research, you'd find similar results.
At this writing, the link posted by ForaTV for the whole video actually does play the whole video, unlike nearly all recent links that offered the videos only for money. I was near ready to unsubscribe from such a teaser channel.
Well, "few men long for freedom. Most wish for a just master."
@ivlfounder What does this have to do with the point Hitchens was making? You are going out of your way to prove one of his minor points, that the dear leader may not be criticized. You are still not able to grasp that criticism of religion is not the same as criticizing a person or institution. You are pleading that those who disagree with one another on anything should be excluded from each other. Its downright silly. End of discussion.
R. I. P
He wasn't a Christian
"Religion is like atheist north korea." The insanity.
I'd like to know how he's doing now.
He is not. He died.
@@cmdaes yes. My comment was from 9 yrs ago.
@@Faustustopheles COming back aftger 9y from another account is pro if that's really you :D
@@croraf yup🙂that's me. My accounts still exist but I'm not a "creator". I used to post videos for my family in the solarcoreg acct. Now I use this one exclusively for viewing.
@@croraf honestly, it was cool showing my wife the Hitchens videos I used to watch. Thanks for the comment. It reminded me of them.
@1GodOnlyOne Where did you hear this?
Everythibg he says about north korea “the crushing nothingness” is how i feel about usa. Korea has a people. We dont even have that
Wow; refreshing clarity from an American about America. Yes; Russians were told to bow to totalitarianism, Americans to Mammon: both are left with nothing..
After reading all the comments below, I do not know if they are praising for fighting religion. Well, I was a New Atheist without even knowing it!
@IronChefWannabe I bow down to your superior intellect and dazzling powers of discussion.
Ad hominem, argument. Therefore you lose the debate.
Have a nice day :)
@Dafariii
The NIH did not appear out of think air. It's only the recent mutation of a long line of public health institutions in America.
And guess what's often at their founding?
Watching the video for the second time, and realizing to what the people are actually laughing to, makes me feel uncomfortable and sad. (Even though Hitchens does have a stand-up comedian vibe)
@angyeekiang You wonder if he does any acts of kindness and love in his life? He is married, has a child, has a family, has friends. Of course he does. You wonder if he does, and, having no proof that he does not, condemn him. How is that fair?
N.Korea is atheist country and is a product of atheist thinking. i never heard about a "christian dictatorship" .European Christian countries ( monarchies) enjoyed the best life in the past
How religion is like an atheist country?
Jong Un is god there
I clicked here to check on his health
Good talk, and a good video.
Funny title. It's an atheist who built North Korea. Take the credit that's due!
Theotherview: It has nothing to do with emotion. If your god sends people to hell (which he created) forever, for not obeying him, then this god is morally bankrupt on a level no human could possibly be. Eternal heaven would soon turn into eternal hell after a few hundred thousand years or so. but you can't escape, infinite has only just begun. ;)
Jews wrote the bible for Christians,
I'd say they have the right to say whatever they want about it.
It would be nice to believe it. ''No it wouldn't''!
@MsHojat
I'm not Christian. Yes, that would include all peoples and for that matter, even someone who was raised religious is not necessarily going to hell because they gave it up. We don't know what each person's free will is. So, yes you could be a good Muslim or good atheist and still go to heaven.
@Tome4kkkk i see, you still didnt bother to listen. or is it a lack of comprehension skills? let me help you out: he actually tells about his source and he refers to their understanding of heaven. i might be slow (no arguments here) but at least sometimes i get it eventually. maybe thats where we differ.
i have no idea what matt damon has to do with it. like his movies tho.
no, but justin bieber is, just like christopher hithcens, an indicator of success.
Hitchens would have been an excellent standup comedian. Guess he was kinda
Fora TV... Does this video shows thinking? It could have as well been an essay about how kung fu is not real fighting.
@b1gr1g You know his response will be that all those things you mentioned were caused by godlessness right?
@GambitFox79 Idk, science works and isn't dogmatic. They're two completely different ways of thinking. One is about reason, evidence and evolution of ideas and thinking and the other is about dogma, superstition, empty promises and prolonged histories of child abuse.
I just go for the system that works when it comes to information about the reality I live in.
I just said: this is your argument?! Is it more constructive to have a job for the sake of it? Being employed in something completely useless like guarding elevators?!
@theheinzification "He greatly influenced the atheist-theist debate."
Yeah, especially those who were already atheists. Because you know how humans are apt to seek only the knowledge that suits their current beliefs. Oh wait, isn't it the common argument that suppose to highlight "the christians inherent bigotry".
"what was your point again?"
For you and other slow people - 'The crappy mini-lecture does not fit the Fora TV'.
Certain people do whish to be slaves. Theres somthing very comforting in the feeling of no personal responsibility.
@Zwemer100 So, what you say is basically, that a guy who commanded us to hate our families in order to fully obey him, entails more of "the truth" than a modern, educated defender of our society who recommends us to question our nature ? What a miserable view on the world.
@NesselEss thats the dumbest counter-argument Ive ever heard... its not that "other gods arent allowed" its that there is only One God who is omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent... so taking any object as God is wrong.
If God is the source of everything, then there is no room for any other "gods"... think logically.
@Ramsez Is that what you call it when you decide to create in your own mind a new invisible friend that doesn't actually exist?
@ivlfounder You're joking. Where does Hitchens run down the NIH? He only has praise for Collins and his staff. You may not have noticed but America is a secular country with freedom of speech. You may also not have noticed that it is religion that is retarding your nation's science education and research. Just because a person with xyz political or religious viewpoint works at the NIH does not mean that position is above criticism. Get real.
@sunRsaturn Do you actually think the laws of physics and an immovable dictator that can send you into hell for all eternity are basically the same thing? Is this some kind of joke or are you just completely irrational?
Fora TV, The WULD is thinking!
@arthurbulan All of the Old Testament laws will be binding forever. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." Luke 16:17
What do the trees do Christopher? I've never heard a tree complain about slavery or injustice.
@pulsatingremedy I love chips too, but when I've had them 46 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 times and seen every programme on tv 67 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 times I would beg for release!!
Hitch was a true prophet. A discipline if you will. Did you know Hitchens died 2 days before Kim Jong Il? Which means 3 days after Hitch's passing, it indeed became a trinity. Almost like divine intervention.
I think on a serious note, atheists who wish they could believe are not talking about eternal worship of a charlatan who lived 1,500, 2,000 or 6,000 years ago whatever monotheistic jersey you wear. But human beings are immensely afraid of death. It's very difficult to part with the ego and the idea of self, and we all sort of wish we could be reunited with our dead relatives with whom we never got to say goodbye, sentient but free of all pain and need.
@Pilaf1984 That's a really cynical interpretation of my message. Just become one has faith in a deity doesn't mean that they blindly follow the morals of a scripture - I'm a baptised Christian, yes, but I swear, drink alcohol, and am pretty materialistic and greedy in regards to money. But, having this placebo-like instinct that something is watching over me can help keep my ego in check. If you have a non-deistic method for that, then cool; we're all individuals with our own decisions.
The video advert before this played was for single muslims dot com. WTF???? I kid you not....
@Tome4kkkk i sure learned a lot form him. ive heared several statements of ex-theist, telling that christopher hitchens and others of his caliber made them think and started their deconversion or were a great resource of knowlegde for them. i hear often, that the number of atheists, at least in the usa, is growing and growing. coincidence?
if you point is about the format, then all you said has nothing to do with your arguments. if it was about content, well, *sigh*
@mutabrev How is that relevant?
@derek24hudson "An eternity together with your whole family"... if that isn't scary enough, what more do you need?
Not to mention that all the people that are fun are in hell. Also, considering that pain is an electrical signal coming from the nerves of your body.. that you don't have anymore when you're in hell, a bath in a magma-whirlpool mit be more comfortable than one might think.... + every drugdealer and prostitute but no body to damage... sounds more heavenly to me....
until gods hand went numb
How is that relevant to this discussion? I was commenting on your point about being God sending someone to hell.
@Dafariii
Since religion is part of why the public medicine (like NIH) exists in America it is rather telling that Hitchens would run it down.
@Tome4kkkk "who da fuck told him that" hint: listening helps. "...assumptions..." yep, but not his assumptions. next itme listen, listen again and then comment.
"get a hobby" this guy is seen as one of the greatest philosophers of our time. he made a fortune with his writings. he greatly influenced the atheist-theist debate. he converted a whole lot of theists (an assumption on my side, but ive hear a few testemonies), giving them a happier life. what was your point again?
@MsHojat
No, for someone who e.g. never heard the rules, doesn't know of god, was born into a family of atheists etc. then they are not going to hell necessarily. They are judged only within the range of what they could possibly know is right and wrong.
My thoughts on faith are this: you either have it, or you don't. If someone has faith in a higher being, and if they use that faith constructively to try and guide their morality and help them achieve happiness and success in life (which, let's be honest, is the essential meaning of life) without pushing it down other people's throats (and forcing them to conform), then there's nothing wrong with it! Live and let live!
Great, his hair and voice are back. Whadda recovery!
@jxtsful russia?
no offence but have you been in hiding for 20 years?
apart from that i agree with you
@FOBmzunguREPTILICUS & you're already a failure for not spelling the name of your own god correctly
I think the "Thou shalt not take the lord's name in vain" rule might be applicable
@MrGreeneggsnham the concept of a "divine dictatorship" still makes little sense.
Trump supporters take note
@MsHojat
Not sure why it's a problem.
gods are imaginary
@twistedbass15
I disagree. The hell is the lack of relationship with God. Man chooses that. God doesn't send you to hell.
Super old comment but how is that not coercion? It’s like holding a gun to someone’s head and saying to worship them. If you don’t I’ll shoot you, but it’s entirely your choice to worship me or not.
@AugustosMaximus yes North Korea is an atheistic state - communism kind of silly to miss this fairly obvious point - (communism stalin, kruschev etc abolish christianity and religion etc
Right on!
You do make difference between Orthodox and Roman-Catholic Church?
It's not pathetic propaganda. The Orthodox Community in Pyongyang was blessed and visited by today's Russian Patriarch, as well by other bishops, the Korean priests were trained in Russia.
President Kim Il Sung said that everyone has right to chose religion and that every priest has duty to pray for prosperity of DPR Korea.
@Dafariii
Who said religion could not be criticized?
You know I didn't yet that's what you accuse me of.
I see no reason to continue with a gutter snipe.
check and mate.
Anyone has anything against this argument? Anybody? Hehehehe... Hitchslap!!!
@theheinzification "next itme listen, listen again and then comment."
The source of his imagination of paradise can only be his arse. None of our fairytale books describe paradise as a "land of eternal prayers and that's it".
"this guy is seen as one of the greatest philosophers of our time."
Something like Matt Damon? :D
"he made a fortune with his writings."
Is Justin Bieber's fortune an indicator of the value of his music?
@NesselEss They don't call their leader a "god".
Therefore they must be Atheists since they don't believe in a deity or many.
This is where you fail. You are assuming they are monotheistic. They clearly aren't since the acknowledge he is a man and not a supernatural deity.
Hey isn't this speaker the guy who's getting medical treatment from Christians?