Christopher Hitchens on the Consequences of Religious Tradition
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In this highlight from May 2007, author and atheist Christopher Hitchens notes an increasing audience for "resistance to clerical bullying." He cites examples of society's widespread frustration with outdated religious traditions and champions the perseverance of scientific thought.
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Christopher Hitchens speaks about his new book God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything.
Hitchens, an always colorful and sometimes outrageous commentator, now takes aim at God. Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins have tried, but that hard-to-hit Fellow keeps popping back up. Worse still are the violent ways of his flock: waging religious warfare, keeping women enslaved, fomenting universal hatreds. Hitchens makes a powerful case for atheism - Politics and Prose
Christopher Hitchens is an author and journalist whose books, essays, and journalistic career span more than four decades. He has been a columnist and literary critic at The Atlantic, Vanity Fair, Slate, World Affairs, The Nation, Free Inquiry, and became a media fellow at the Hoover Institution in 2008.
I'm glad that science got far enough along to produce technology to record this man.
Unfortunately science and technology is becoming the new religion and the very ideological crap he fought against. The new bullying is coming from the corporate overlords who create the science which we have to follow and never question.
@@VedicDesi religion = i feel this thing amd theres a perfect all powerful all loving being that apparently loves you and not the rest of us cus it wouldve revealed itself to us as well. So convenient that nothing about it can be replicated or proven in this real world that you claim it has complete and utter master over down to subatomic particles n the speed they vibrate at vs.. we can do studies to show that gravity is a scientific theory that we can replicate and gather information on.. religion and science are nothing alike and youre making a case for why education is so important.
@@VedicDesi corporate overlords simply enacting your gods infallible will. The fact that you would even dare to question your master on punishment of eternal torture is surprising.. god saw in advance what youre crying about n chose to do everything in a way that it came out this way.. you really think youre capable of making your own decisions within that world view? Youre just lost bro.. please read a non fantasy book
thumbs up if you cant get enough of hitchens youtube videos.
We need this man in the World now more than ever
@G G since gg seems to have forgot ','.....
One does not return from hell.
No.
@@zaidmarwan4977 Or heaven
@@TheDynamicJAB he's not in it if that's your point.
The world lost a great thinker. Hitchens was scheduled to debate at my university but he couldn't come in person and had to do it via video conference due to his illness. Much respect for a man determined to continue making his point and fighting it all out until the end. His incredible wit will be missed by many.
He thought himself into an early deathbed and Hell.
@@journalingbible6428 His thoughts had nothing to do with it.
@@journalingbible6428 said like a true Christian!
@@journalingbible6428 imagine worshipping a demon that creates you weak, stupid, and scared only to then poison you with sin he himself created and then being commanded to be well with no guidance.. sad
@@journalingbible6428 Your hints of an eternal torture dimension do not work on rational people, only on innocent children and those incapable of outgrowing your ridiculous mythology.
I'm no genius, but I always feel smarter after I listen to this man. He was the perfect combination of intelligence and wit.
The messianic ego of an alcoholic.
And realism and conscience and humanity
Just can't get enough of Hitchens. Brilliant!
This man will continue to wake people up, from their sleepless slumber.
Hitchens is the single greatest voice of reason of the twenty first century
Richard Grannon?
Jordan Peterson ?
@@abdlkbiraasri no that guy is a pseudo-intellectual
@@abdlkbiraasri I do enjoy listening to Jordan but, I would say Hitchens is better especially when discussing religion. Both are phenomenal writers and orators though.
No. In Jp's debate with Sam Harris, he outed himself as bumbling religious fool with a desperate defeciency of clarity of thought and consistency of logic about God
We need you now, more than ever, Christopher.
No one can ever replace this magnificent thinker & orator. We are so much poorer without Christopher. At least we can listen to his podcasts & read his unique & brilliant books. Miss him always.
Long live Christopher Hitchens.
If only :(
Immortal
@@benjaminmaracek535 Well,he is sort of immortal if you count burning in hell for all eternity.
@TermsofService Atheists don't believe in heaven or hell or the God that made both, so what's your problem?
@TermsofService "The fool has said in his heart there is no God." - Psalm 14:1
May Hitchens mellifluous voice keep educating free thinkers everywhere until the end of human extinction, I love him and miss him.
Absolutely, I miss him too
May y’all burn in hell with him
How are you a free thinker if he is telling you what to think
@@fredarroyo7429 You’re allowed to have influences and to get ideas from people. For example, my belief in animal liberation comes from Alex O’Connor who got it from Peter Singer who was influenced by Jeremy Bentham and his utilitarianism. I would describe all these people as free thinkers because it is someone who is willing to think for themselves even if they come to unpopular opinions, but they are still free thinkers if they listen to others and even if they come to popular conclusions.
@@duderyandude9515 so the option to match up your ideas with someone elses ideas puts one under the category of a free thinker?
You will be missed Christopher :(
Good to see this again.... Hitchens is and always will be the man! :p
"Awareness is known by awareness alone," is the sole irreducible axiom of reality. To put forth a syllable to refute it is to concede....
A modern day philosopher, nothing less.
He hit it spot on for the atheists in our world. I thank him.
But he's dead. How are you thanking a dead reprobate?
@@journalingbible6428 cause his words still live on
And educating people and waking them up.
Journaling Bible just like the educators from the past he passes down his ideas and knowledge of the world. He is one of the great thinkers that made me leave Christianity. Brilliant mind
Mal-Adjusted Elderly Virgins is a great band name!
Very powerful man everything he said in this video was nothing but the truth sad to say .
I love Hitchens. It's going to be sad when he's gone, but he'll never be forgotten.
Whenever I feel stupid I listen to hitchens. Rip
I remember hearing about the doing away of limbo and wondered the impact of the families. Also wondered why I heard so few questioning this huge change in church policy (and consequently in consciousness)...and heard so little about the gut renching impact it had on the families.
There is no god, no hell, no limbo, no life after death, no salvation, no soul. You are born, you live, you struggle a lot, you die. Period. End of story. Find emotional support, comfort, and solace in reality rather than fantasy. And create your own meaning, purpose and contributions while alive rather than idly waiting for your savior to rescue you in death. Anyone gullible enough to be hoodwinked by religion should cower in shame.
If humans thought freely ,there would be no religion !
*Christopher, he would hate you if you called him Chris
this moment of clarity is sponsored by:Johnnie Walker.
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In Vino Veritas
@CatholicView You guessed wrong. Your faith, if it is christianity and catholicism in particular, is founded on idol worship. Yea, it's true. Catholicism is scary, scary, scary. And the pope? god's chosen guy? You have to be kidding me!
ooooh yeaahh
hitchens + foratv = win.
I miss Hitch
classic Hitch dismantling the Catholic Church
My mother and uncle were raised in fire and brimstone catholic Ireland. Even now they find it very hard to sit easy when any of the children in our family are born until they are christened. No matter how many times it’s pointed out that anyone who would send an innocent child to anywhere but heaven isn’t worthy of worship. But it’s just been too long. Nor does it matter to them but the Pope changed his mind on limbo. There are millions of people around the world who have been told otherwise and it has scared them straight to the point where they just can’t comprehend that it any other way. Which shows you the lasting damage that can’t just be undone by saying, oh we don’t believe that any more.
Good old Hitchens!
Fantastic
His mind was a Bulldozer and his opponents where merely piles of dirt.
And yet, today, he has nothing to say. His death speaks volumes.
@@rubiks6 He has only been dead for ten years. Jesus has been dead for almost 2000. Jesus wins!
@@schmetterling4477 - Jesus has been resurrected from the dead for almost 2000 years. You are absolutely right. Jesus wins!
@@rubiks6 I know. 500 people saw him. Too bad that somebody lost the list with the names and phone numbers.
@@schmetterling4477 - Troll much?
That clever dig against Dubya Bush & his blind acceptance of Putin based on seeing the man wearing a crucifix ... hits harder now.
I trust that we need not have anyone explain why.
@1GodOnlyOne Atheism has no dogma. The only thing you have to do to be an atheist is happen not to be convinced by claims about gods.
@Ilsimeone I believe we can. Science and religion are completely different beasts with completely different ways of looking at the world. Just because some people have managed to harbour both doesn't mean they are compatible in any sense. To a large part we can probably blame the tendency of people to compartmentalise but there are also notable examples where people couldn't reconcile their research with their beliefs and had to abandon one or the other.
AMEN!!!!! Miss you CH.
This is absolutely splendid !!!
@bicyclethief2nd
I can't speak for anyone else, but I've been greatly influenced by the work of Christopher Hitchens. While it's true that the things he says have mostly already been said years, decades or even centuries before, I don't see how that makes those words unneccesary. Carl Sagan basically rehashed what scientists before him discovered, but he was one of the greatest science popularizers of his time.
And I didn't know Fora had its own brand of wit!
HItchens is sadly missed
The world certainly misses him
@kshackleton, my point is that education is a better approach than mockery. If you inform people about the dangers of group thinking, it won't matter if/what religion they believe in. If you mock them, they'll just resent you.
Also, most advocates of individual responsibility and freedom are/were people of faith.
I was raised as a catholic and the idea of Limbo was horrible.
miss his presence on the platform which voices their concerns to be heard
The other liturgical and apostolic Church. This is kinda significant, as Orthodox is the second-largest Christian denomination in the world; pardon me using the WABAC machine:
A. The bishop of Rome's legates Vitus and Vincentius representing him attends the 325 Council of Nicaea, he not as pope as of yet. (Apostle Peter in Antioch, what becomes the Orthodox Church is initiated; he some years later goes to Rome.)
Ca. 1200 CE; the Jerusalem-Palestinian Orthodox See’s Archbishop did not approve of the Roman Catholic Church’s Crusades, though the Latin Church said purpose is to protect the Palestine Christians. Compared to the Latin and Protestant Churches, Orthodoxy in history seems not to have started wide wars.
B. Yeah; it is problematic going against the initial church’s married-presbyters tenet (celibate priests question; married Orthodox priests). The Orthodox Church is not all works-based, grace is involved. In Martin Luther's 1519 Leipzig Debate, "The truth lies with the Greeks."
1. Papal infallibility, to the council-democratic Orthodox Church.
2. It is said that Orthodoxy is allied more to Protestantism, than to Catholicism.
C. 1. Coronavirus precautions. My non-fundamentalist Church; Arab, Greek, and Slavic Orthodox dioceses have parishes Internet live-stream the Sunday Eucharist Service (limited to five people). Then that Communion-from plastic cups-is given to parishioners by the presbyter, or deacon, at homes during the week when requested.
2. Those within the Bible Belt defying state governors' precautions of a maximum number gathered in houses of worship. U.S. evangelical Protestants are not the lion's share of Christians; young-Earth creationism, anthropogenic global warming-rejection, 'Once saved always saved?' It just seems that way with the media attention they get.
D. The Eastern Orthodox Church is the second largest Christian denomination on the planet; the initial church did not have a proper noun name, until the (1054, East-West) Great Schism.
1. A fiery Hell in Scripture, is figurative. Hades in the Bible is a place where hard-unbelievers are destroyed; or, some say, the feeling of being separated from Unconditional Love God.
2. Greek Orthodox Archbishop Iakovos (James), with DrMLKJr | ruclips.net/video/qalVO2_NRuY/видео.html.
The lake of fire was actually stolen from the Egyptians and so were the ten commandments. I am sure you knew that.
@@schmetterling4477 Of course the same human-Hominid cerebral cortex will, independently across cultures, develop a law code and scapegoat; develop the prime-deity; and a virgin birth of those major gods. A biological evolution of empathy; as well as, independently, the bow and arrow.
A God continued in a similar Passover Lamb, Incarnation, Resurrection, agápe love furrow?
@@chrysgeorge8050 Nah, they just stole that crap.
I was told that the resurrected Jesus was seen by 500 people. Unfortunately somebody lost the list with the names and phone numbers. That makes it a little hard to believe the story about the resurrection, I have to say. But I am certain that they will find the list very soon. It's been only 2000 years, after all.
@IIOO Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Would you like a splinter of the true cross with that? I make them myself from wood that I took from Santa's sled. Just three easy payments of $99.99. Or get two for a separate fee!
@IIOO Have you seen Jesus lately? Any day now.
@IIOO
It’s for the person who says it happened to provide the proof; if you claim Jesus was resurrected, then it’s up to you to provide the evidence. If I told you I had an invisible unicorn, called Dave, who lives in my pocket, you would ask for me to prove Dave exists; and if I came back to you, and said “No, YOU have to prove that I DON’T have an invisible unicorn, called Dave, in my pocket”, you would rightly think I was mad, and dismiss my claim outright.
The burden of proof always falls on the one that makes the claim; thats why it is up to the prosecution, to prove a person’s guilt, rather than the defendant having to prove they are innocent. The prosecution are the ones who have accused the defendant of the crime, so it’s up to them to provide the evidence.
Or, when it comes to things like the alleged resurrection of Jesus, you could just say you have no evidence- which you obviously don’t, but that you believe it purely out of faith; if you say it’s faith, that’s absolutely fine, because then the argument is over, as you can’t argue against faith, as it is an unfalsifiable position- meaning it is impossible to either prove, or disprove.
If religious people would just call it faith, and stay away from attempting to prove their nonsense, there wouldn’t be any problems with them; it’s only when they encroach on subjects, concerning facts, and ridiculously attempt to use them to justify their religious beliefs, that secularists have a problem with.
Still, all the best.
It's a Shame. God is simply the Existence of Love. Everybody Believes Love exists.
Atheists Unnecessarily Overcomplicate it.
Its Unfortunate.
@@damianedwards8827 I don't believe in love. I have plenty of evidence for it in my life. Now go and fetch me evidence for the donkey ventriloquist.
Legend and god he will never be forgotten
1. Do you not understand what sarcasm is?
2. Explain how Atheism is a "death punishment".
3. "deceivment"? Really?
Hitchens' work was primarily to awaken people from the ignorance of religion. His work has paid off and is now an active meme in the consciousness of humanity. Praise Non-god for Hitch.
Hitches × RUclips = hope for the human race
Infant limbo was never Catholic dogma, but a theory of theirs. It was of course used to terrify families through the centuries, but it never was doctrinal and therefore wasn't subject to their seldom-applicable concept of "papal infallibility". Compelling rhetoric here, but Hitch overstated his case.
the fact the church DIDN'T outright deny it, and supported this belief by christening babies who cannot choose, pretty much supports the idea that cathoic dogma was actually present. or at least taken total advantage of...you can't have it both ways sorry, religion poisons EVERYTHING
Surely if it’s even a theory it’s done enough damage
Hitchens --"Told them by mal adjusted virgins" 💀😆😅😹 may you rest in Peace Hitchens could have you're inspiration but this shall have to do.
Brilliant as always but he’s definitely had a few pints lol
You say that as if it is a bad thing.
Encyclopedia Britannica keeps Christopher Hitchens on its shelf.
He was so right when he said anybody is welcome to their own beliefs, but don't try to palm them off on anyone else. Don't come to my door, don't poison my child's minds with them. Every once in a while pairs of religious nuts come to my door. I don't answer, and eventually they go away. I am caught by them sometimes, and I politely tell them that i have no interest in their beliefs and why? Both because I am an agnostic/atheist and because the christians I have met are the dirtiest, most bigoted, most hateful people I have ever met. When they leave, I always say "god bless you," which sort of throws them off kilter.
@Ilsimeone We have both quoted Einstein and probably the both of us are correct. With your quote,is it possible he was using the word "God" ias a metaphor ? Its likely. Alternativly,he did believe in deism in his early life but changed his view later. Stephen Hawkins uses the word "God" as a metaphor regularly and he is 100% atheist..scientists doing this should realise how confusion can arise when trying to figure out what they mean. Naughty boy Hawkins !
@GtheMVP "It's no wonder that, despite increases in taxes (gov't has too much money), we're seeing a crumbling infrastructure."
Is that a joke? The United States Federal Government's revenue at this point, even not accounting for inflation, are at nearly a century-long historical low.
Is this an old debate? Cause the last few videos I saw him he was looking pretty bad, lost his hair, grey face color. Made me really sad seeing him like that.
He had the most sexy voice I ever heard
@Zwemer100
"Does he really believe that Roman Catholicism is Christianity?"
- No, he doesn't. Don't know where you got that idea.
There are great man of every country, every religion (and non-religion), every race, every hair color, every culture. That's not the point. The point is religion has a privileged place when it shouldn't.
The only thing worse than religion, is surely tradition
If CH had become a believer what a preacher he would have made.
@Ilsimeone Incorrect ! Einstein used "god" as a metaphor and said very clearly that anyone believing in God is naive'. Science uses reason and deals with facts while religion is based on faith alone..they are poles apart. It would be nice to think there is a big daddy in the sky looking out for us but the scientific community as a whole does not accept this. Any scientist believing in a designer is merely putting forward a hypothesis.
@bicyclethief2nd do mean the first part about the pope, limbo etc? What was "trash" about it?
In my early twenties I had a very close friend whose life was totally destroyed by the Catholic Church. She ( a very beautiful, highly intelligent young woman) contemplated suicide so many times that I had to be a constant companion to make sure she did not head down this track.
Such a devilishly handsome chap
A beautiful genius fighting for the rights of humanity over poisonous myth.
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i miss chris :(
cloud811 😉👍 Excellent sentiment although he was very serious about insisting you call him "Christopher." If you deal with any fans of Christopher Hitchens, you will find that is a slight although very significant fact. Christopher was a genius and we lost a great speaker of the truth fighting against the wickedness of all those FAKE religions which control the minds of millions who do not think for themselves. So goddamn sad. 😂pun intended!! 😂🤣😂 sickening sad overwhelming fact, but we can try to lighten the atmosphere with truth and Christopher Hitchens was well-versed in showing truth to all those fools who believe in such nonsense.
@unamaxify
Yes I do admit that I don't know for certain and given that there is no evidence ether way it’s most logical to assume that there is probably no afterlife at all. You really don’t see to get what I’m trying to explain hear. Do you?
@1GodOnlyOne
your name speaks the truth, there is only Zeus. all other gods are imposters
God damnit I miss Hitch!!
@Zed1967 What do you mean by "one of"?
Religion is horrible. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️ People of the future (hope you read this 😂 ), please save Christopher Hitchens from death if retrograde time travel is possible and make him live indefinitely. We want him in the future.
Portuguese subtitles please.
@unamaxify
well that's my point. if I was the pope it would be my JOB to make stuff up to make my outdated religion seem more resonable and the bull shit I came up with is in my opinion better then the bull shit the real pope came up with
@raygoshay1400 So if science can't explain something you're going to jump in and say god made it! That makes no sense at all.
Wish I could learn that snippet verbatim for the religious apologist cold callers and doorsteppers who pedal their nonsense.
Maybe. Just maybe.😊
@jippzmcghee Don't be sad about a man's death, be grateful for the man's life.
@celestialsalamander
No i don't.
First you claim limbo to be real,
then you admit that you And the pope make stuff up
and now you admit that the afterlife is highly improbable.
i'l give you that: you are very reasonable.
But i have no clue what your point is.
@Alexdurrant7
dude, there's more than 1 definition. the commonly used one is less strict than the mathematical
@celestialsalamander
oh ok that makes sense.
your saying that it wasn't a smart move to
pull a 180° and say whoops limbo wasn't real after-all.
Instead the pope should have changed limbo into your B-grade-heaven.
So people would still have the incentive to strive to go to the A-grade-heaven, but
could more easily accept that good people with the wrong religion would not
suffer eternity because of bad luck.
Your right about religion being a con job
@unamaxify
Okay hear is where I think the miscommunication originated.
I never said there was a limbo. I said that if I was knowingly making stuff up to convince other people of the accuracy of the catholic doctrine, then i would say that there was a limbo and it was like a B grad haven.
I am not trying to justify my on belifes I am explaining how I would con other people.
@skippydeenice - doesn't really hel pif you want to change their mind. And it doesn't really achieve anything, so why do it?
Many of history's atrocities were committed by both people with and without religious beliefs. So I don't think having it 1 way or another is the only way.
@Zwemer100 Catholics aren't Christians? They both believe in the same god and they both preach from the same book. If that isn't good enough to identify them as Christians then nobody is a Christian.
Also, there are plenty of great men and plenty of terrible men produced by all kinds of society. Try to make your points more meaningful.
@DaDoctaBoom I wonder if Hitchens ever read mises's take on central planning with the economic calculation problem. It's probably as empirical as as it gets, with regards to understanding the failed socialsm and communism experiments throughout history.
I didn't now Hitchens had caner either, hope he'll survive!
@GtheMVP
"Don't talk to me about failed capitalism in the west either, we have facism/corporatism here, thanks to central body powers."
As opposed to all the centrally planned totally non-fascist completely uncorrupted countries that lived by Marx's theories?
The power of surrender these poor fools harbor to actually have thought that limbo was real and to be emotionally destroyed when told it isn't is every bit the example of the incompetency of most humans and the horror of religion. Try reasoning for yourself and focusing on reality rather than escaping to insane ancient superstitions and myths. Hitchens was such a relentless voice of skepticism and rational thinking.
@DaDoctaBoom every country is corrupt, but nations that offer the most economical freedoms are always the most prosperous places to live.
I've had no choice but to become an anarchist, so I don't believe in the state whatsover, but I reaslise that most (forseeable future) will want some form of gov't keeping them snugly safe somewhere in their minds.
@Eels88ya
What is with these comments ending with "Ron Paul 2012" while praising Hitchens? Ron Paul is a 6000 year old earth creationist who thinks it should be taught in public schools, and does not believe in separation of church and state...Peoples stupidity never ceases to amaze me.
it would never have happened but I would have loved to see CH V BILLY GRAHAM
Hitchens was unsurpassed in his ability to expose stupid malignant religiosity and authority. His eloquence, brilliance, wit and humor were unsurpassed. As was his proclivity in picking only the very worst aspects of the things he hated, and to consistently and to very deliberately misinterpret everything that could be construed as positive. And he was amusing - to a point.
You can endure only so much negativism - warranted or not. Where is the positive alternative?
He had vaguely mentioned leftist views and Marxism - he was not nearly as erudite on those topics.
And then science, which he claimed to embrace wholeheartedly, without having a clue what it is about. He had no training in science. He just trusted Dawkins. That is by definition - faith. Faith in its pure form.
What we do know - even from Hitchens himself, although of course not as eloquently as you might wish, is that he found his real comfort in two things - cigarettes and whiskey. He dismissed his abuse of substances with his usual arrogant flippancy. Those two substances killed him - by his own choice.
@Zed1967 Agreed.
@LibertyDownUnder
With reason, SIR.
Hitchens has some good points, but he is condescending towards anyone who has any faith.
Perhaps not. He just wants faith to be practised (sans preaching) within the confines of one's own home.
@DaDoctaBoom I think most people are finally waking up to the fact that the government gets more than enough money. Cash isn't the problem, it's the institution itself.
watch?v=PWDrS6_VFq4&feature=player_embedded
check some of these figures out, insane!
@brindow1 Yes, as I said, Einstein did not believe in a personal god or big daddy, he wrote to Rabbi Goldstein in 1929: "I believe in Spinoza's God, who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and the doings of mankind." The belief in a god who does not interfere with the affairs of human beings or the universe is called "deism". He also mentioned many times that he is agnostic.
Religion=holy shit!🤘
The thing about Putin is relevant right now
I'd have just said Limbo is still real, but it's not that bad. it's not Hell light. it's more like a B grade heven. It's like one realy big realy well mantaind nusery, but it's not very exiting.