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I heard about this all the way over in Australia. A gutless coward. Monster. Not only did he do that, he did it in front of the children. Heartbroken for those children
What difference will that make? The restraining order is useless if he is planning to kill them. unless they completely relocate, in which case the order is redundant. A piece of paper will not stop a person unless it comes with 24/7 police protection.
@@mightymouse1005and an ambush doesn’t care about your gun that you have “ready” for a threat that’ll kill you before you have a chance to know what’s going on
100%. A restraining order is just a piece of paper. People need safety planning! The most dangerous time for a woman is when she is trying to leave an abusive partner.
No doubt! Many years ago when I went to court for my civil protection order, every time I heard the elevator ding, I’d have a panic attack and shake. I didn’t want to see my abuser. He didn’t end up showing up and I automatically got the restraining order. I had proof of his abuse. And you are so right…it is just a piece of paper. I was scared for a long time even with that order.
Going through this years ago, they assigned a victim advocate to accompany me from my car to the courthouse for each of the hearings. The threat was always there as it was the only place he actually knew where I would be at a specific time.
If neither of you are exercising your second amendment right, it won't matter who's walking with you. Courthouse are 'gun free zones' just like public schools. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. No one in a situation where a personal protection device isn't allowed, you basically don't stand a chance. Once again... when seconds count police are minutes away. Just making observations...
??? So they should stay with someone like this? Or do you mean your comment in reference to the danger women face in leaving as being a major factor in why it’s not as easy as outside people think
@lexingtonconcord8751 Murders in general are extremely rare theres only a 0.001% chance of getting murdered each year and a 0.1% chance after 100 years if you live in the US
Coercive control and stalking. Stop telling women to deal with this. Instead, teach our sons that they do not own anyone and do not have power and control over them. Women do not have to police these guys.
We need to teach boys empathy and emotional regulations and STOP teaching girls that, the boy hitting them and teasing has a crush on her and it's OK...quit teaching girls they are to just be nice and make people happy
@@kennylouisvilleNobody else but you would justify ending someone over spray paint on a 1999 Hyundai… Also you’re reaching accusing the woman of spraying that design on his car 😂😂😂
@@nbaoldgirlHow did he justify her being killed, he never said that all, you must be one of the illogical, irrational, lacking critical thinking skills woke
My daughter and I were put in a similar situation in California while fighting a domestic violence child custody case for the past year now. We are from Massachusetts and had a restraining order from. Massachusetts against him. Each time we would go to court there, we had a plan because in that court in California everybody had to stay in a waiting room, regardless of the restraining order because according to them " they had cameras and officers" we always felt so unsafe. In one occasion her husband chased her all the way to the lady's restrooms while I had to take an elevator 4 floors down to look for help. Another time he had a friend of his, stranger for us wait for us to arrive with the baby outside the court. Luckily for us, we always had a plan and always drove a different car( a rental). We knew his car so we would make sure that he was parked and inside the court. I would stay in the waiting room and wait for everybody to go in and then text my daughter to come in when we were in the court room, we always sat against the wall there too( she would be waiting in the car or in a secret bathroom we found in the first floor and we will also alternate our looks and style, that's why his friend couldn't tell who we were). After the case would be over I would send her to hide in the bathroom and would stay behind making sure I would remind the bailer about our situation and he would hold him back. We would meet up in the bathroom abd wait for 15 minutrs before leaving. I truly believe he would've killed us had we not made those plans. In Massachusetts as soon as you walk in to security and tell them about your restraining order they will call a security officer to bring you to your court room and the officer will stay in and outside that whole time making sure that you are both separated from each other and would hold the defendant in the court room until security lets them know the victim is out of the building. We won the full permanent custody and he ran back to India as a FUGITEVE in USA!😂😂
I’m currently going through a very similar legal process with my now ex-husband-protection order, criminal domestic violence charge, divorce. In all my trips to the courthouse, I’ve felt uneasy knowing he’s around somewhere. And even going around my town, I feel uneasy that I’ll run into him in public or that he’s watching me from a distance somehow. It is a very scary feeling. And the sad part is the law is reactive rather than proactive. It’s hard to convince others of your fear or for anything to be done when the person you’re afraid of hasn’t actually hurt you, at least not yet. I feel very sorry for the victims in this case and for their families. What a horrific way to lose loved ones, especially for the children. My thoughts and prayers to those around the victims. Even though we’ve come a long way in dealing with domestic violence, I think we still have a long way to go in taking matters more seriously to protect people who are being domestically abused, even if it is just emotional abuse to begin with-there is no physical abuse that does not start with emotional abuse. Keep yourself safe, no matter if people think you’re overreacting.
My last girlfriend accused me of some outlandish crap. I packed and gladly left. I was over supporting her, her daughter, and grandchildren. I'm still mad but so glad that its over. When me and my ex wife split up over 20 years ago, that was it. When you can't get along, you must get apart. Its as simple as that...
Johnmack Killing the mother of your children is considered family violence and hence family even if its former family. His children are related to her .
The sort of hearing for gaining protection from a dangerous and threatening person should be held over zoom or allow an attorney to present the case to the judge on behalf of the victim.
I am middle-aged and wonder if there were so many crimes in the past, like couple decades back..or just did not hear about them. What is happening with the people? Poor children
@@kingrama2727 I don't consider 5th world countries real countries. But in terns of powerful, democratic or well established countries, United States is the deadliest county on Earth
Wtf is there to “negotiate” officer???? This an open shut first degree premeditated murder conviction!!! A SLAM DUNK!! How does he deserve a seat at a negotiation table??!!! WTFFFFF
This tragedy happened in my hometown. The victims were so brave to take the steps for an EPO and Hardin County doesn't do enough to aid domestic violence victims. The cops act annoyed if they get a call for a domestic issue. My heart goes out to their family, such a coward of a man.
And people wonder why females are terrified to make that big move to finally leave these kinds of relationships to start over. It always gets worse before it gets better.
At this point people are wondering why you’re entering these relationships at all. The stories are so rampant, you would have to be delusional to think these very outcomes couldn’t happen to you.
@@azureavocado5195men act charming and won't start abusing you until you're married or have a kid. Then you're trapped bc if you have a kid you're expected to be at home with the baby while dad works, no job means no money means husband is in control of money. It spirals from there. These men are actual psychos who will play you for years before they start abusing you.
To see your own mom and your grandparent shot and killed right in front of you, ...I cannot fathom what these children must be going through... His selfishness has destroyed a family and leaves his children having to deal with such a traumatic loss, potentially for the rest of their lives... May Erica and Janet rest in peace, and my thoughts and prayers are with the children and those who are taking care of them and having to help them navigate this trauma.
😢 OMG! I live just an hour from Elizabeth Town. This is horribly tragic. So many prayers for this family & their friends. The children being there makes it an evil act.
Long time fan of your channel and Elizabethtown resident! I always wanted to see more videos like these closer to me but I guess I didn't realize that'd mean someone getting hurt. This was a tragedy!! tyty for the videos!
Authorities / Prosecutors, if you've any reason to believe that the defendant is (may be armed and) dangerous, DO NOT let them be anywhere near the victim(s), hold them in custody. One wrong choice, and these people will cause more tragedy.
Need to look into the Nikki Cheng Saelee-Mccain case where Tyler Mccain and Nikki was supposed to show up for court for a domestic violence case and she went missing before the court date. The estranged husband don't even seem concern or even want to be a part of finding her. The domestic violence case was dismissed due to the absence of Nikki. The sisters of Nikki are trying to find her and it's been weeks now. PLEASE raise AWARENESS ABOUT the NIKKI CHENG SAELEE-MCCAIN CASE. I'm sure Tyler Mccain has everything to do with her disappearance. He even lit up his own property on fire burning acres!! It's madness and he's still walking free due to lack of evidence.
As a DV survivor, the threat is always there. When it happens in front of your kids, it changes them. They think that this is the normal way of life. I'm not amazed at the brazen actions he took. From experience, there are too many who use alcohol to make them ten feet tall and bulletproof. The mental control they have over you makes you doubt your own common sense. These are always difficult situations. Protecting your children is the top priority. My heart goes out to these children. Whoever takes over their care, please make sure they get help.
There was a PREGNANT Filipino wife that was gunned down INSIDE the courthouse in the Seattle many years ago. She was there seeking a protection order and or to deal with her ongoing divorce case. She was following all the rules for dealing with problems-but some men can’t follow the rules. I think there should be surprise interventions whenever dealing with break-ups, divorce, or even just confronting abusive behavior. Invite his healthy family members, her family, maybe his best friends, a mediator and therapist and his Dr. it seems over the top, but if confronted IN THE MOMENT, IN A CONTROLLED area, maybe the men could actually get help.
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I heard about this all the way over in Australia. A gutless coward. Monster. Not only did he do that, he did it in front of the children.
Heartbroken for those children
those kids lost both their parents and saw mom and grandma killed in front of them...what a selfish POS
I don’t believe he is their father.
@@merilaescobarthey didn't say he was!
If you think that's any different than every other person you've met, then you're not truly paying attention.
Most women are
And you don't mean, Point Of Sale.
Restraining orders and contact prevention orders should be zoom only.
What difference will that make? The restraining order is useless if he is planning to kill them. unless they completely relocate, in which case the order is redundant. A piece of paper will not stop a person unless it comes with 24/7 police protection.
Restraining orders are just a pc of paper.
Arm yourself!!!
People whi will unalive you don't care about a piece of paper.....they don't care much about the law
@@mightymouse1005and an ambush doesn’t care about your gun that you have “ready” for a threat that’ll kill you before you have a chance to know what’s going on
@@dsc420247and defend yourself at the immediate signs of threat if it is safe.
A PIECE OF PAPER DOES NOT SAVE YOU
I think courts should be more flexible with zoom hearings for domestic violence.
Exactly!
Why, in today's age, do we have people in conflict meeting in person for legal proceedings
100%. A restraining order is just a piece of paper. People need safety planning! The most dangerous time for a woman is when she is trying to leave an abusive partner.
No doubt! Many years ago when I went to court for my civil protection order, every time I heard the elevator ding, I’d have a panic attack and shake. I didn’t want to see my abuser. He didn’t end up showing up and I automatically got the restraining order. I had proof of his abuse. And you are so right…it is just a piece of paper. I was scared for a long time even with that order.
The system demands victims jump through hoops to prove their need, it's a feature. Not a bug.
@@elizabethlockhart8044for both sexes
6th Ammendment of the Constitution
Going through this years ago, they assigned a victim advocate to accompany me from my car to the courthouse for each of the hearings. The threat was always there as it was the only place he actually knew where I would be at a specific time.
If neither of you are exercising your second amendment right, it won't matter who's walking with you.
Courthouse are 'gun free zones' just like public schools. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. No one in a situation where a personal protection device isn't allowed, you basically don't stand a chance.
Once again... when seconds count police are minutes away.
Just making observations...
A victim advocate will have no ability to save you.
Perfect example to stop telling women to “just leave him”
??? So they should stay with someone like this? Or do you mean your comment in reference to the danger women face in leaving as being a major factor in why it’s not as easy as outside people think
She DIDN’T!!! And it COST her!! BIGLY!!!!!!
@@allisonjames2923 The point is way above your head
When you ain't preaching or being fake superior/elite you playing the victim? Which is it??;
@@allisonjames2923your head, the point ✈️
Having unstable stalkers meet their prey in the parking lot...BRILLIANT IDEA!
This is extremely rare!
There are millions of protection order hearings every single day in America.
do u not follow the news everyday there are men killing woman who have had protection orders it’s not rare at all
@lexingtonconcord8751 Murders in general are extremely rare theres only a 0.001% chance of getting murdered each year and a 0.1% chance after 100 years if you live in the US
@@uggycyvhvyvyv7322Oh so that makes it okay for a victim and abuser to be put in the same space? 🤪
@@personalcheeses8073Why? You scared 🐱
At this point celibacy is really the best.
Yes! I provide all of my mental emotional and physical needs alone, so why risk my life and my well-being by bringing someone into my life?
Right
These people target their victims. They prey on them and abuse. Sometimes it’s not about choosing celibacy, it’s about victims’ rights to safety.
Coercive control and stalking. Stop telling women to deal with this. Instead, teach our sons that they do not own anyone and do not have power and control over them. Women do not have to police these guys.
Women act the same way to men
We need to teach boys empathy and emotional regulations and STOP teaching girls that, the boy hitting them and teasing has a crush on her and it's OK...quit teaching girls they are to just be nice and make people happy
A restraining order is just a piece of paper at the end of the day.
IF you LIVE THAT LONG!!!
I would have never found that car.
Lol.
There has obviously been some vandalism. Girl defaces boyfriend’s car then runs to the court house to claim victim. Typical woman behavior.
@@kennylouisvilleNobody else but you would justify ending someone over spray paint on a 1999 Hyundai… Also you’re reaching accusing the woman of spraying that design on his car 😂😂😂
@@nbaoldgirlHow did he justify her being killed, he never said that all, you must be one of the illogical, irrational, lacking critical thinking skills woke
She probably didn’t even do that to his car you ppl say anything to be seen ugly behavior 🥀
❤❤ Those poor kids. My heart goes out to them.
What an inconspicuous vehicle
These people get full of rage because someone doesn't want them , YET prove WHY you shouldn't want them...
My daughter and I were put in a similar situation in California while fighting a domestic violence child custody case for the past year now. We are from Massachusetts and had a restraining order from. Massachusetts against him. Each time we would go to court there, we had a plan because in that court in California everybody had to stay in a waiting room, regardless of the restraining order because according to them " they had cameras and officers" we always felt so unsafe. In one occasion her husband chased her all the way to the lady's restrooms while I had to take an elevator 4 floors down to look for help. Another time he had a friend of his, stranger for us wait for us to arrive with the baby outside the court. Luckily for us, we always had a plan and always drove a different car( a rental). We knew his car so we would make sure that he was parked and inside the court. I would stay in the waiting room and wait for everybody to go in and then text my daughter to come in when we were in the court room, we always sat against the wall there too( she would be waiting in the car or in a secret bathroom we found in the first floor and we will also alternate our looks and style, that's why his friend couldn't tell who we were). After the case would be over I would send her to hide in the bathroom and would stay behind making sure I would remind the bailer about our situation and he would hold him back. We would meet up in the bathroom abd wait for 15 minutrs before leaving. I truly believe he would've killed us had we not made those plans. In Massachusetts as soon as you walk in to security and tell them about your restraining order they will call a security officer to bring you to your court room and the officer will stay in and outside that whole time making sure that you are both separated from each other and would hold the defendant in the court room until security lets them know the victim is out of the building. We won the full permanent custody and he ran back to India as a FUGITEVE in USA!😂😂
Blessing to you and your child ❤️
Sick coward !!! My heart goes out to the children 😢
My wife was working downtown when this was happening on Monday. She had no idea until I texted her if she was okay and to lockdown the building.
Cool story bro
The schools went on soft lockdown immediately! Even my kids school in the south pod!
There should be a protective way of going into court for this
they never will
Zoom
What a disturbed individual.
he had absolute control of what he did, and no sense of being disturbed about anything
@@tawan20082008 English isn't my first language, so maybe 'disturbed' isn't the right word. I'll look it up.
@@tawan20082008 I found it. Disturbed means what I thought it does. It has a lot of synonyms. I mean he's whacko.
OmG!!! Horrible! 😫 domestic cases are so dangerous! This tops the cake! Condolences to the family! 🙏😢
Some people don’t deserve the air that they breathe. What an animal.
Coward, he took himself out instead of facing his crimes. If he couldn’t have her, nobody’s was. How horrible sad for those kids.
I’m currently going through a very similar legal process with my now ex-husband-protection order, criminal domestic violence charge, divorce. In all my trips to the courthouse, I’ve felt uneasy knowing he’s around somewhere. And even going around my town, I feel uneasy that I’ll run into him in public or that he’s watching me from a distance somehow. It is a very scary feeling. And the sad part is the law is reactive rather than proactive.
It’s hard to convince others of your fear or for anything to be done when the person you’re afraid of hasn’t actually hurt you, at least not yet.
I feel very sorry for the victims in this case and for their families. What a horrific way to lose loved ones, especially for the children. My thoughts and prayers to those around the victims.
Even though we’ve come a long way in dealing with domestic violence, I think we still have a long way to go in taking matters more seriously to protect people who are being domestically abused, even if it is just emotional abuse to begin with-there is no physical abuse that does not start with emotional abuse.
Keep yourself safe, no matter if people think you’re overreacting.
A protective order is just a piece of paper my bff had one and still got murdered.
*A protective order is just a piece of paper my bff had one and was still murdered.
My last girlfriend accused me of some outlandish crap. I packed and gladly left. I was over supporting her, her daughter, and grandchildren. I'm still mad but so glad that its over. When me and my ex wife split up over 20 years ago, that was it. When you can't get along, you must get apart. Its as simple as that...
Absolutely awful for so many involved. Those kids....
Every 9 days a man is anhilating his family in the US .
It wasn’t his family.
Johnmack Killing the mother of your children is considered family violence and hence family even if its former family. His children are related to her .
A man who has nothing to lose is the most dangerous
Silverfox 95 percent family anhilators are men and a lot a them had a lot to loose .
@@serenesrn3827 it wasn’t his children. They were her children and he was her boyfriend.
This is incredibly sad. Side note, I love this channel.
The sort of hearing for gaining protection from a dangerous and threatening person should be held over zoom or allow an attorney to present the case to the judge on behalf of the victim.
Becoming more common:(
A real man moves on even if the women do him wrong, a coward will seek revenge.
It’s not about just being a coward. These men are extremely narcissistic and very dangerous.
Real men don’t date single mothers.
it thanks you for your service.
Bad news: every man is a real man. Being a real man is not a seal of quality….
@@greg4876 lol
Poor kids had to witness that
These people really be crashing out smh
And how exactly does an attorney have any expertise in treating child post traumatic stress?
He may just have been responding to how HE approaches them.... don't forget, attorneys get to talk to kids that are "witnesses" to crimes also.
Usual suspects
This channel makes me think most people are just crazy. People can't control their emotions.
I am middle-aged and wonder if there were so many crimes in the past, like couple decades back..or just did not hear about them. What is happening with the people?
Poor children
Didn't hear about them. Media changes. Money for likes etc etc etc .
Didn't hear about them. Media changes. Money for likes now rules the world it seems and not for the better.
Way to go out of your way to prove why that mom and daughter were right to want a restraining order.
Just another hour in America. RIP.
This only happens in America? I didn’t know the rest of the world was so safe!!!
Rock around the clock. TGIF
@@kingrama2727 I don't consider 5th world countries real countries. But in terns of powerful, democratic or well established countries, United States is the deadliest county on Earth
we are tired of violence
Seriously, this is what humans are doing now
They’ve always done this stuff.
Yeah since the dawn of civilization, pretty wild🙂↔️
This very unfortunate. What is going on with some people these days?
They're disturbed, that's for sure.
Since the stone age people b people. Most are nuts and some violent.
Wtf is there to “negotiate” officer???? This an open shut first degree premeditated murder conviction!!! A SLAM DUNK!! How does he deserve a seat at a negotiation table??!!! WTFFFFF
Something goes completely wrong somewhere.
He could have just moved on with his life instead of ruining others' lives. Now the children are orphans. RIP to their mom and grandmother!
Real man is not killing his wife and mother in law Evil
What a clown ..look at that car !! Fits right into traffic chuckles
Sad this is what ppl do when told no
He’s gonna off himself for sure
He did.
It was said in the video.
Yep
@@patmcbride9853 One less nutcase, but he took the coward, easy way out to avoid prison for life.
This is so awful 🙁
Rest in peace to the deceased who DID NOT deserve this!
Murdering someone who doesn't want to be around you so extremely selfish!
lmao that car
I live approximately 20 min from the courthouse. Heartbreaking is an understatement. Prayers for the children, family and loved ones.
Ahh yes, another "why didn't you off yourself BEFORE you killed them" cases. Smh.
This tragedy happened in my hometown. The victims were so brave to take the steps for an EPO and Hardin County doesn't do enough to aid domestic violence victims. The cops act annoyed if they get a call for a domestic issue. My heart goes out to their family, such a coward of a man.
Was she "brave" when she spray-painted his car?
@broeheemed32 technically "yes" bc it helped the car be identified when he ran.
And people wonder why females are terrified to make that big move to finally leave these kinds of relationships to start over. It always gets worse before it gets better.
Agreed 😢
Leaving is sometimes the most dangerous time to leave. Victims need to be protected more then 😢
At this point people are wondering why you’re entering these relationships at all.
The stories are so rampant, you would have to be delusional to think these very outcomes couldn’t happen to you.
@@azureavocado5195 learn about statics🤡. By the way, DM is three times higher in lesbian relationships than heterosexual ones.
@@azureavocado5195men act charming and won't start abusing you until you're married or have a kid. Then you're trapped bc if you have a kid you're expected to be at home with the baby while dad works, no job means no money means husband is in control of money. It spirals from there. These men are actual psychos who will play you for years before they start abusing you.
To see your own mom and your grandparent shot and killed right in front of you, ...I cannot fathom what these children must be going through... His selfishness has destroyed a family and leaves his children having to deal with such a traumatic loss, potentially for the rest of their lives... May Erica and Janet rest in peace, and my thoughts and prayers are with the children and those who are taking care of them and having to help them navigate this trauma.
Not his kids.
@@pk-cp1bo thank you - edited
A protective order was not going to stop him from killing his wife.
😢 OMG! I live just an hour from Elizabeth Town. This is horribly tragic. So many prayers for this family & their friends.
The children being there makes it an evil act.
He tried to flee in THAT car? 😂😂😂 drugs r bad!!!
Those poor children. My prayers for them and all who suffered the loss of these two women.
Long time fan of your channel and Elizabethtown resident! I always wanted to see more videos like these closer to me but I guess I didn't realize that'd mean someone getting hurt. This was a tragedy!! tyty for the videos!
Authorities / Prosecutors, if you've any reason to believe that the defendant is (may be armed and) dangerous, DO NOT let them be anywhere near the victim(s), hold them in custody.
One wrong choice, and these people will cause more tragedy.
This world is a crazy place. Rest in Peace
"Stand up for your rights! Move on up! Move on up!"
🙄🤨
the lesson here: don't date single mothers
Why because you're abusive? So it's ok to go with a single woman and abuse her? Your strange.
I’m going through a similar type of situation smh
Need to look into the Nikki Cheng Saelee-Mccain case where Tyler Mccain and Nikki was supposed to show up for court for a domestic violence case and she went missing before the court date. The estranged husband don't even seem concern or even want to be a part of finding her. The domestic violence case was dismissed due to the absence of Nikki. The sisters of Nikki are trying to find her and it's been weeks now. PLEASE raise AWARENESS ABOUT the NIKKI CHENG SAELEE-MCCAIN CASE. I'm sure Tyler Mccain has everything to do with her disappearance. He even lit up his own property on fire burning acres!! It's madness and he's still walking free due to lack of evidence.
Absolutely heartbreaking!
This very unfortunate. What is going with some people these days.
Male violence against women is nothing new.
Praying for the children. Being single and celibate nowadays is turning out to be a blessing. People are unhinged!
Cant trust anybody
Who bring children to get a protective order? Bad choice for sure.
So its her fault? Oh please
As a DV survivor, the threat is always there. When it happens in front of your kids, it changes them. They think that this is the normal way of life. I'm not amazed at the brazen actions he took. From experience, there are too many who use alcohol to make them ten feet tall and bulletproof. The mental control they have over you makes you doubt your own common sense. These are always difficult situations. Protecting your children is the top priority. My heart goes out to these children. Whoever takes over their care, please make sure they get help.
That’s the face of Evil.
I would love to know the thought process in bringing the kids to court. 🧐
Live just outside Lex and hadn’t heard this. That is crazy!!
Saw the same thing happen in Ft.Worth TX in the early 90s. Tensions run high in family court.
What’s with having such an obvious, noticeable getaway car? The Batmobile is less noticeable than that.
Why did they bother wasting resources airlifting a pos like that?
it’s really terrifying how many of these stories are just femicide
Did he seriously think he’d get away driving that car?
Who does he think will care for the children now?
I was wondering what happened. I heard this on the scanner. Thank you
That dude don’t look old enough to be a lawyer
This happens everyday is rhe US. Only a few reports go viral
Who would know looking at his face that he's capable of such a horrific act!!!
She felt safe in numbers and in public. How tragic. He is a monster. May those children get the lifelong help they will need to deal with this.
Both parties have to appear for a restraining order or protection order
Goodness he looks normal!
Who doesn't look normal?
Why wasn't he behind bars for battery etc..?
The epitome of a coward. 😢
"Lets give the aggressor one last chance to murder their victim before we issue an order of protection"
- the courts
If IDGAF was a person. GeeZ...
There was a PREGNANT Filipino wife that was gunned down INSIDE the courthouse in the Seattle many years ago. She was there seeking a protection order and or to deal with her ongoing divorce case. She was following all the rules for dealing with problems-but some men can’t follow the rules. I think there should be surprise interventions whenever dealing with break-ups, divorce, or even just confronting abusive behavior. Invite his healthy family members, her family, maybe his best friends, a mediator and therapist and his Dr. it seems over the top, but if confronted IN THE MOMENT, IN A CONTROLLED area, maybe the men could actually get help.
She picked a terrible person to be around her kids.
Picking males seems to be terrible
@@KezDezHanzz females frequently choose the worst males available.
Excellent discussion about a terrible event.
Ladies yall ain't safe even at court....date wisely
I was there at the courthouse when this all went down. Watched it all happen.
Those poor kids... I hope the village is strong...
Why would you take your kids to court? They’re lucky to be alive. Disturbing that they had to witness it happen
They may have been going to be witnesses, in order to get the PO!!
Still the wrong thing to do especially if you know they guy is dangerous. Leave your kids with someone to be safe..
They were gonna celebrate because it was the day before her birthday court's are supposed to be safe