@@RoBushian743 I was kind of unsure bc people dislike it a lot but it looks like a beast to me I’ve never been on pc so idk much about them I’m on switch rn so I’m definitely looking to upgrade it
@@Ttv6cono9 Maybe ditch the 10+ year old case rather than remove the cladding and allow for better air flow. This is a tiny step forward and the competition is way ahead. Look at cases like the Fractal Design torrent for air flow or Corsair 7000D for liquid cooling capacities. Then wonder why they talk cooling here but don't offer anything outside of the x7xx series.
Less proprietary parts, for example. Who and why builds the front USB ports right on the motherboard? Apparently, a dedicated PCB costs a fortune to make. Also, what's the deal with the PSU, why it has such a weird shape? Hope it's ATX12VO at least, not that proprietary Dell's 8 or 6-pin connector...
The team and management of Alienware absolutely do not listen to their customers on forums and social networks! Aurora R16 and its design is a joke for fans of this brand! The last real Alienware PC was the AREA 51 R2 - R7, which had potential. Interesting design and the possibility of upgrading. I am glad that I am the owner of AREA 51 R4, which is waiting for a complete redesign from the AIO motherboard, CPU, GPU, PSU and RAM.
Very true! I bought back to back products from Alienware till the legend Design started. Absolutely loved the design from the Triad Design language and had Bought Area 51, 17 R3, AW 768, AW558, Graphics Amplifier. Since then I started to build my own PCs. This Design is absolute joke.
@@AlienwareChannel No, you are not listening! Over and over just words that don't mean anything until they turn into action. And you present PC Aurora R16 as something revolutionary and spectacular... it's a disaster!!! And yet it's so easy to design something that truly describes the Alienware brand. But what you mainly lack is the desire to create, be creative and let go of your imagination!!! I myself have an incredible number of ideas and concepts of how the flagship desktop PC from Alienware should look like.
Computational biologist here. I wish you guys could pump it to 128GB......but hey.....I can use AWS for ram-heavy jobs. I'm sold. Just ordered mine, and will definitely be doing a review on computational metrics, and design functions. Thank you for the affordability and sleek design! Ocham's razor.... there's beauty in simplicity. Great review Eddy wonderful PC presentation!! You deserve a raise for sure.
@@notaspectator Yeah but at the same time, ram-heavy jobs can be run on the cloud. Having a faster processor allows a lot of flexibility when time is an issue in my experience. Especially since a lot of analytical pipelines can be serialized. I already have a workstation :P but just wish the 4-channel was available as an option, I cant disagree with you there. Edit: btw got mine a few days back, its cool as a cucumber, and hardly makes any audible noise even if you place the PC next to your screen. really impressive.
Love Alienware aesthetic design, but proprietary components are stoping me from buying Alienware prebuilt. In the end, I built a desktop using MSI casing and it looks awesome on my desk 😊
@@Overbuilt.Gaming First, sry about my bad spelling, dyslectic, and non native english speaker. But yes, those are all wery important parts dont you think, mb/psu. When this pc is 5 years old what hapens if mb or psu desides to quit on you? How do you get a new one, when the waranty is expired? And at what cost if you can find one? What if you deside to upgrade cpu family in 5 years? Can you do so? No cuz mb and psu is proprietary. So solution to all this is what alienware wants you to do, buy a new pc. Problem is it is waistfull, off your money and the enviroment. I know it is a worn out record at this point. And I like the steps alienware toulk with the r16, even if babysteps. But Having a pc with atx and normal, nonpriprietary mb/psu/case/ram might not make a diference right now. But in a few years, maybe with the second owner at that point, the nonproprietary parts is the diferense between if it goes to the landfill or not. I have had the same pc, (built it myself) for 6 years. Have changed most parts in it, only the case remains. But every part I have changed along the way has gone in to some other pc, mine, my sisters, or random facebook marketplace guy's pc. No waist. Unfortunatley non of that is posible when proprietary parts, even if it is only the mb and psu. So alot of this pc's parts will be ewaist in a few years.
@@nattenaniel most people that buy a prebuilt like this do not care about upgrading. They buy it as is and after those 5 years are up and the wheels fall off they buy another.
The PC of 30 years in the future looks like an NZXT case from 5 years ago. Its better than the R15 (or my R10) but it looks like an average case now and you still won't be able to swap parts out easily like the MB and power supply.
@@DjFusion86 I am sure you know the answer to that one. Dell wants you married to their eco system and buying new PCs every few years ... not upgrading them.
@@sbrengard I think I could probably live with a proprietary motherboard, but not bein able to replace a PSU of choice/need is a deal-breaker for me. When I retire my Alienware Aurora R7 i'm going for custom build again....
Just received my R16 yesterday, still sitting in the box in my livingroom! Doing some reconfiguration and cleanup of my office before bringing it in to setup and test. Can't wait, this is my first higher end PC that I've owned, in the past I usually got something middle of the road.
Main hope for Alienware: start making non-proprietary parts, trust me, it’ll be a great start to a new era of Alienware. Start treating this like MSI or Corsair, make parts that can be sold separately.
@@jamesmcd71 no, other manufacturers allow motherboards that can go in multiple cases, power supply’s that can be upgraded or replaced, things like that. Dell doesn’t allow that at all, they don’t let you upgrade things on purpose, such as making the front IO a part of the motherboard, it’s purposely different from every other motherboard to make it so you have to buy only from them.
I've always admired the Alienware brand for their unique product designs. From their laptops and desktops, to their monitors, they tend to feature a lot of curves, a variety of textures, and cleverly placed lighting that truly make their products look like they're of extraterrestrial origin. Its still a really cool looking case, but i agree with the others that it is a more conventional design taking on standard rectangle dimensions and a smoked glass window. I dream that some day Alienware might become a board partner with Nvidia or AMD, and design their own GPUs. 😍
I don't know why people don't seem to like the case I think its the coolest looking pc I've ever seen! very tempted to buy one. going for the i9 and 4070 ti combo ;)
Mine is being built right now and should be here soon. I'm drooling just thinking about it. I've loved these guys for years. I still have my 19" "Laptop." It doesn't power on any more thanks to a Labrador induced Margarita incident.
Sweet. Took the exact same old proprietary steel chassis and wrapped it in less plastic. At least y'all poked more holes in it so I guess that will help some. Maybe. I miss the old Alienware of the '90s...
Great build. PC Part Picker was $400 more expensive than their $1949 build. Always grew up with Dell and wanted an Alienware. Coming soon to my doorstep!
I ordered the R16 (13 gen I7, 4070) why is it coming with only a 500 watt psu? Will it be able to handle an external drive for example? 500watts seems really low to me.
Thanks Eddy! Great Review. The new Case is definantly interesting. I am happy to see that the team is approaching more of a traditional boxy modern look for the case. I am not too sold on it but hopefully it goes in the right direction. Think I will stick with my RTX 4090 Aurora R15 for a while. I personally like the look better and the performance has been no less than fantastic! Cant wait to see whats in store for the future! Cheers!
@@JohnnySinns-h2q Dell Alienware 35 inch curved. Found it on Amazon "refurbishe" for a third of the cost. I got lucky, not a scratch on it. It so crisp and at 175mhz gameplay is smooooooooth.
I think it looks great and IMO a much healthier aesthetic for the brand, ditching most of the edginess without losing the trademark alienware futurist looks. But like most viewers here, I just want to see proprietary parts left behind. Bravo on taking a step forward though.
I'm buying one this Dec. My favorite thing about the Aurora is, it doesn't have a name like the Aurora XJN204BZYN-WXY (2)! I really hate it when companies do that.
The cheap and inefficient case, mobo, ram, cooling are the biggest problems. The case is better, but still not anywhere near where it should be. Still not nearly enough airflow. Just use a mesh front and 3 fans... simple stuff, it's 2023 not 2011. Why is the mobo still a dumb custom design and dimension. Cheap looking mobo and ram. Not enough fans to get proper airflow, and a 280mm rad should be the minimum for modern flagship cpus. They're just thermal throttling themselves it's kinda funny.
@@pathtoball4677 And yet, despite it all, the systems DO work and are reliable often times with benchmarks beating the class average. Laptops thermal throttle depending on model, the desktops if liquid cooled I assure you absolutely do not throttle on CPU or GPU. I know for a fact they do not. There is trade off on prebuilts, you settle for less theoretical quality but at the same time you cannot begin to ensure the components picked off the shelf and put together don’t have subtle incompatibilities. Dell and others have test runs which stress test all the components in tandem over thousands of load conditions to ensure stability. The custom motherboard is part of that btw. Instability is just higher in home builds on average. I have used both since about 1991, I know intimately this is true, there is a legit argument for prebuilt, even Dells Alienware line.
@@pathtoball4677from what I understand the system doesn't have temperature issues it predecessors does though? And I would assume the choice to sacrifice some efficiency for looks makes sense from a brand prospective. Otherwise what would be the point in buying a brand?
it's a lot better than before but could still use improvements, 2 fans as intake on the front, give us a mesh front. Gamers love RGB need some RGB RAM, and some on the AIO. Also LCD screens is the new thing, Like the Corsair and NZXT or ASUS, need a LCD AIO. Or at least some RGB on the CPU cap for AIO and RGB fans. Is the AIO removable? Or even just the fans. Also a seperate headphone and mic jack on the front would be nice. But this is a step in the right direction, with room for improvement.
This still uses a proprietary motherboard and power supply connectors. Essentially e-waste (just like previous versions), but without the cheap plastic shell.
If it lasts for what, 10-20 years maybe. Wouldn't you already be getting a different build then? I understand wanting to have full customization, but if it last a while you would probably just get another one.
It's actually a thermoformed multilayered resin! We chose this material as the side panel is not a fully flat surface, and wanted the clear door to follow the subtle curve of the chassis.
as an owner of the r15 i HATE the front panel and trying to clean it. its a real pain... other than that its a nice design and i like this new design as well but i share the same dislike of the MB and the PSU being proprietary.
that case is just crying out for some more front ventilation. it would be really cool to move to an all mesh front panel to allow for better intake + positive pressure. those VRMs and the SSD will need more cool air, especially with the AIO not providing any airflow for them (like air cooling would). i'm still rocking an alienware aurora r7 with an AIO & taking off the plastic housing + adding two noctua nf-p12 intake fans improves so much. also what is with the proprietary long motherboard design? it kills any upgradability or case swap down the line. proprietary parts just end up as e-waste down the line
Are we going to be able to change the motherboard on these new models??? I absolutely love these cases but just can't buy one without being able to put my own mobo in there, I need that upgradeability and the chance to get the support assist stuff that bricked my last Alienware away from the system.
And this is why you shouldn’t buy Alienware until they can sort this out. Other boards simply cannot fit in this case because the case is not ATX. Nor is the power supply.
I purchased a new R10 Ryzen last year but would love to get my hands on an R14 case to get that nice see-through side panel. Did managed to cure airflow issues in the R10 though by running Noctua Cromax NF12 x 25 fans with two running intake and 2 more on a push/pull on the radiator. Temps are high 60 / low 70s (on a hot day) with that config.
I'm so glad I got the R15, it looks so much better than the R16. Also, the R15 provides a 1350-watt power supply, so I personally am way happier off with this older build instead.
So easy to configure what you want and the best warranty of any. I've had a technician drive 300 km. to my house to change parts and all within a week of diagnosing the issue on the phone. I'd like to see Corsair or any other brand do that.
If you spent 3 hours of your time building a PC you would of gotten a much better preforming PC for cheaper and could of fixed the issue yourself because there are no proprietary parts
@@bfdia51 ....you're right if you're into building them. I'm into using them and only have a passing interest in how they are put together. If I messed up it could be weeks or months getting things running again. I'll pay a little extra to get things fixed by people who know how.
Time for some questions I'm sure your not going to want to answer, but might be of use for anyone considering one of these systems. For system upgrade you mention tool less upgrades for the GPU, RAM and storage. RAM never needed a tool. Tool less drive bays have been around for at least 8 years. And the GPU should have at least one screw, but that can be one that can be removed by hand. What about the CPU? If you get a 12th gen now, are you going to be able to upgrade that to a 13th gen later? They both use the LGA 1700 socket and are both compatible with the Z690 and Z790 chipset. Asking because the R10 had both 3000 and 5000 options. The systems that shipped with a 3000 CPU used the B450 chipset but did not get the BIOS update needed to run the 5000 chips. And Intel changes sockets on even generations, so 14th gen will be a new socket. What about the PSU? You didn't mention its proprietary. Any reason for this omission? Are you going to be selling compatible PSUs? With the PSU, efficiency has nothing to do with the quality of the power. It means that if the system is using 1000W (going for round numbers), and you have a 92% efficient PSU (about what an 80+ Platinum PSU will get), the PSU will only be pulling an extra 8% (or 80W in this case) from the wall. With regards to the "special features". Never herd of the 'Flex power' If your getting a power surge, shouldn't that be handled by a surge protector? And that is going to cut power. There is OVP (Over Voltage Protection), but that only addresses the 'system' side of the PSU, not the ‘wall’ side. Burst power. First, power doesn't work like that. The PSU doesn't 'push' power, components pull power. What you have described is boost or turbo on the CPU or GPU. If the CPU/GPU is under load and has thermal headroom (aka its cool enough/isn't going to overheat), it will start pulling more power so it can push its clock speed up. And on the topic of CPU power, will the CPU be able to hold its boost clocks/power? The R13 and Intel R15s where massively under preforming due to power limits. Has that been addressed?
We'll do our best to answer some of these. - CPU Upgrades: Yes, since they leverage the same socket, you should be able to upgrade from a 12th Gen Intel CPU to a 13th Gen. - CPU Power: Overclocking will not be available on the Aurora R16, however the - FlexPower technology allows power supply and motherboard to communicate protecting you from system shutdowns in the event of a power surge due to performance needs. - BurstPower technology allows our power supply to double its power during a performance surge to assist performance needs. - Proprietary Components: The motherboard and power supply were designed to work their best in tandem with each other.
@@AlienwareChannel Nice to see a response of sorts. Should be able to is not will be able to. The R10s use the AM4 socket, that socket was comparable with both the 3000 and 5000 CPUs, amongst others. The only thing needed for compatibility moving from a 3000 to 5000 series CPU was a BIOS update. To my knowledge, that update has not been published by Dell. Fair point on overclocking, if your only shipping the R16 with non K sku CPUs they don't support overclocking and that is an Intel thing. Still too much marketing fluff around the PSU features. Is it an external power surge or high draw from a CPU/GPU boost? Surge implies an external event... Yes there is a hold up time, but its not new. Yes the 3080/3090/4080/4090 GPUs can pull a LOT of power in very, very short bursts. That pull is enough to trip smaller PSUs, simple fix is more/bigger caps. But that is all dealing with at most 1/60th of a second. Its too easy to technobabble around people. Sell the technical features, not the marketing. But as I have no way of verifying and being well aware of Dunning Kruger, I shall leave that testing to an independent team with the proper testing equipment to verify. While the PSU features got temporary pass, proprietary components don't. Its a yes or no question: either they are or are not proprietary. If they are, will replacements/spares be sold out of warranty?
It's a great PC but for some reason, only one fan is spinning and there are two more fans in the build. That fan that is spinning is the fan on the CPU
While this is unequivocally a step in the right direction, I think I'm gonna be better off going the DIY route until Alienware makes something that truly deserves the "Alienware Tax" they tack on every config
@@fractalelf7760 Ask a case how much airflow it has. Consider only the ones that answer with "Yes" A less silly but equally valid answer: easy to clean mesh filter. Nothing between the inside and outside besides the fan and the filter. 1I-1O or 2I-1O config, plus any AIO fans at minimum.
Great info on this new awesome-looking Alienware Aurora R16. Can the RAM be upgraded with RGB RAM sticks? Would the motherboard support this? If not, what type of RAM can be used?
This was a very interesting explanatory video. I am aware that the CPU cooling was not perfect in R15. Is the CPU cooling in R16 using the same parts as in R15? I am waiting for R16 to be released in Japan as soon as possible.
The issue with the R15 isn't the cooling, its with the power. The only review with a useful benchmark uses a 13900KF, so I will use the same CPU but the trend holds for the 13700K/KF in the R15. And I can't see it somehow being different for the 13600K either. 13900KF should be running P cores at 5.2GHz and E cores at 4.3GHz. And that is allowed to go higher with better cooling. The R15 runs the 13900KF at 4.4GHz for the P cores and 3.4GHz for the E cores. Technically the thermals/240mm cooler is fine but the CPU is running 15-20% under what it should be. For a normal 13900K a 240mm cooler is just on the edge of being fine, if you live in a cold area and keep your room chilly you should be fine. If it gets warm (21C+) probably not and a 280/260mm cooler will be better. Plus the CPU can run faster with better cooling.
It seems like they are actually listening now but i actually preferred the previous design. This took the Alien out of Alienware. There should be a way to incorporate the previous design while adding more cooling functionality and interior space. Make the outer smaller and the inner bigger to not increase the size, don't tilt it sideways this time. Cmon guys get it together I am trying to support here...
Kind dig the new design, but come on.. No one likes proprietary parts, ditch the cheapo proprietary motherboard.. 12 phase VRM is nothing spectacular and its kind of funny that he was kind of implying that 4 pin PWM fan headers are some kind of "new and exciting tech exclusive to this computer!!!" also it could use another 2 or so USB type A on the rear and definitely a type c on the front.
Will Alienware desktops ever have Thunderbolt? I know the laptops have it, but the big thing putting me off from buying the desktop is that there's no Thunderbolt. I know cost wise to get licensing for the technology + proprietary motherboard makes it difficult, but it'd be huge if on the next iteration of the motherboard it's included in some way, even just for one port because I think that's what most people need, and what I need as well
It's complex than that, and there's a reason very few manufacturers use Thunderbolt on Desktops, beyond the fact that space saving the I/O is not a concern, and carrying video support isn't possible with separate graphics cards.
The new look is nice, though I'm a fan of the R15 design more personally. Any chance we will ever get products like the X51 and Alpha again? I had both machines and I absolutely loved the small form factor and power those things packed.
So I just got my r16 it took 3 days to get the command system to work for some reason. Once I had that running I have no option to change the lights on the system. How do I get that working correctly?
Give us the new AWCC 6.0 to the Alienware x15 R1, R2 laptops, and comparable desktops too. Why its gotta be available exclusively on the new 2023 models?
But this new PC will still not be able to replace my Alienware Area 51. Any plans in the near future to bring out a replace for the best pc that Alienware ever made?
I own an R16, it runs great! Very good thermals! I like the minimalistic design! Great job Alienware! 👏 I would recommend if you are looking for a quality pre built gaming pc from a reputable mfg.
I like how everyone that DOESNT have a Alienware is hating on it and everyone that has it loves it. Really say something doesn’t it?
Would u recommend this pc bro I really wanna try and become a pro at Fortnite and earn
Yeah it’s fukcing great
The performance is perfect
@@RoBushian743 I was kind of unsure bc people dislike it a lot but it looks like a beast to me I’ve never been on pc so idk much about them I’m on switch rn so I’m definitely looking to upgrade it
When you paid over $3K for a PC, you gotta make yourself believe you made the right choice, right?
You guys at Alienware should really start listening to the fans and consumers as opposed to listening to the Dell executives.
Care to elaborate? Curious rly
@@Ttv6cono9 Maybe ditch the 10+ year old case rather than remove the cladding and allow for better air flow. This is a tiny step forward and the competition is way ahead. Look at cases like the Fractal Design torrent for air flow or Corsair 7000D for liquid cooling capacities. Then wonder why they talk cooling here but don't offer anything outside of the x7xx series.
Exactly … his comment is so easy to make
Less proprietary parts, for example. Who and why builds the front USB ports right on the motherboard? Apparently, a dedicated PCB costs a fortune to make. Also, what's the deal with the PSU, why it has such a weird shape? Hope it's ATX12VO at least, not that proprietary Dell's 8 or 6-pin connector...
there are alot of fake review. how much they pay for
The team and management of Alienware absolutely do not listen to their customers on forums and social networks! Aurora R16 and its design is a joke for fans of this brand! The last real Alienware PC was the AREA 51 R2 - R7, which had potential. Interesting design and the possibility of upgrading.
I am glad that I am the owner of AREA 51 R4, which is waiting for a complete redesign from the AIO motherboard, CPU, GPU, PSU and RAM.
Promise we're listening. Change takes time.
Very true! I bought back to back products from Alienware till the legend Design started. Absolutely loved the design from the Triad Design language and had Bought Area 51, 17 R3, AW 768, AW558, Graphics Amplifier. Since then I started to build my own PCs. This Design is absolute joke.
Couldn’t agree any more
@@AlienwareChannel No, you are not listening! Over and over just words that don't mean anything until they turn into action. And you present PC Aurora R16 as something revolutionary and spectacular... it's a disaster!!! And yet it's so easy to design something that truly describes the Alienware brand. But what you mainly lack is the desire to create, be creative and let go of your imagination!!! I myself have an incredible number of ideas and concepts of how the flagship desktop PC from Alienware should look like.
@@Real_Boy85 So you just care about the looks of it?
10:21 one of special feature of the mobo is you can't buy it else where
The cryo tech cooler would look a lot better because it adds more RGB lighting and looks better then the one they showed
I watched this video while using the r16, I love it!
😁
Computational biologist here. I wish you guys could pump it to 128GB......but hey.....I can use AWS for ram-heavy jobs.
I'm sold.
Just ordered mine, and will definitely be doing a review on computational metrics, and design functions. Thank you for the affordability and sleek design! Ocham's razor.... there's beauty in simplicity. Great review Eddy wonderful PC presentation!! You deserve a raise for sure.
I think you're more prone to use workstation-class PCs, not this. It would give you at least 4 memory channels and a lot more parallelism with CPU.
@@notaspectator Yeah but at the same time, ram-heavy jobs can be run on the cloud. Having a faster processor allows a lot of flexibility when time is an issue in my experience. Especially since a lot of analytical pipelines can be serialized. I already have a workstation :P but just wish the 4-channel was available as an option, I cant disagree with you there.
Edit: btw got mine a few days back, its cool as a cucumber, and hardly makes any audible noise even if you place the PC next to your screen. really impressive.
Love Alienware aesthetic design, but proprietary components are stoping me from buying Alienware prebuilt. In the end, I built a desktop using MSI casing and it looks awesome on my desk 😊
You been watching to many Gamers Nexus videos. You can change everything else except the case, psu, and mb.
@@Overbuilt.Gaming First, sry about my bad spelling, dyslectic, and non native english speaker.
But yes, those are all wery important parts dont you think, mb/psu. When this pc is 5 years old what hapens if mb or psu desides to quit on you? How do you get a new one, when the waranty is expired? And at what cost if you can find one? What if you deside to upgrade cpu family in 5 years? Can you do so? No cuz mb and psu is proprietary.
So solution to all this is what alienware wants you to do, buy a new pc. Problem is it is waistfull, off your money and the enviroment.
I know it is a worn out record at this point. And I like the steps alienware toulk with the r16, even if babysteps. But Having a pc with atx and normal, nonpriprietary mb/psu/case/ram might not make a diference right now. But in a few years, maybe with the second owner at that point, the nonproprietary parts is the diferense between if it goes to the landfill or not.
I have had the same pc, (built it myself) for 6 years. Have changed most parts in it, only the case remains. But every part I have changed along the way has gone in to some other pc, mine, my sisters, or random facebook marketplace guy's pc. No waist.
Unfortunatley non of that is posible when proprietary parts, even if it is only the mb and psu. So alot of this pc's parts will be ewaist in a few years.
@@nattenaniel most people that buy a prebuilt like this do not care about upgrading. They buy it as is and after those 5 years are up and the wheels fall off they buy another.
The PC of 30 years in the future looks like an NZXT case from 5 years ago. Its better than the R15 (or my R10) but it looks like an average case now and you still won't be able to swap parts out easily like the MB and power supply.
Every other component is easily upgradable down the line as long as it is compatible with the chipset.
@@AlienwareChannelIs the motherboard standard size ATX or MATX) and can it be replaced by an off the shelf motherboard?
@@DjFusion86 I am sure you know the answer to that one. Dell wants you married to their eco system and buying new PCs every few years ... not upgrading them.
@@sbrengard I think I could probably live with a proprietary motherboard, but not bein able to replace a PSU of choice/need is a deal-breaker for me. When I retire my Alienware Aurora R7 i'm going for custom build again....
@@AlienwareChannelWow the case, power supply, motherboard, and CPU cooler sure are upgradeable!
So it's still the same underlying chassis and motherboard shape as the older generations.
Just received my R16 yesterday, still sitting in the box in my livingroom! Doing some reconfiguration and cleanup of my office before bringing it in to setup and test. Can't wait, this is my first higher end PC that I've owned, in the past I usually got something middle of the road.
Main hope for Alienware: start making non-proprietary parts, trust me, it’ll be a great start to a new era of Alienware. Start treating this like MSI or Corsair, make parts that can be sold separately.
its called alienware for a reason, and to be honest I like that their parts fit in with the branding.
And exactly what is proprietary in an Alienware system?
@@jamesmcd71 For Dell it's mainly the motherboard and psu
@yourforeignlocal yah, kinda like all motherboards? This was a real issue back in the 2000s, but it's no different than any other manufacturer.
@@jamesmcd71 no, other manufacturers allow motherboards that can go in multiple cases, power supply’s that can be upgraded or replaced, things like that. Dell doesn’t allow that at all, they don’t let you upgrade things on purpose, such as making the front IO a part of the motherboard, it’s purposely different from every other motherboard to make it so you have to buy only from them.
I've always admired the Alienware brand for their unique product designs. From their laptops and desktops, to their monitors, they tend to feature a lot of curves, a variety of textures, and cleverly placed lighting that truly make their products look like they're of extraterrestrial origin. Its still a really cool looking case, but i agree with the others that it is a more conventional design taking on standard rectangle dimensions and a smoked glass window.
I dream that some day Alienware might become a board partner with Nvidia or AMD, and design their own GPUs. 😍
Partner with NVidia? We see how well that went for EVGA, now don't we?
Alienware GPUs would be sick. Alienware isn't perfect, but I agree that they're great at making stuff look cool!
I don't know why people don't seem to like the case I think its the coolest looking pc I've ever seen! very tempted to buy one. going for the i9 and 4070 ti combo ;)
Honestly thought the same about the case
i9 13 4070ti and i7 13 4070ti is not difference. You will get almost the same performance and fps.
@@darkslaerdark yeah appreciate it bro I've decided to build my own pc with AMD now aha
I wanna go for i7 and 4060 and i am very looking forward to it
Probably because the R15 finally got it right, and now it looks like… Alienware fit into a generic box
Not crazy about the outside but I love what's inside the box!
it doesnt scream alien anymore......what are they doing seriously
Mine is being built right now and should be here soon. I'm drooling just thinking about it. I've loved these guys for years. I still have my 19" "Laptop." It doesn't power on any more thanks to a Labrador induced Margarita incident.
Sweet. Took the exact same old proprietary steel chassis and wrapped it in less plastic. At least y'all poked more holes in it so I guess that will help some. Maybe. I miss the old Alienware of the '90s...
Great build. PC Part Picker was $400 more expensive than their $1949 build. Always grew up with Dell and wanted an Alienware. Coming soon to my doorstep!
Same bro I can’t wait
I ordered the R16 (13 gen I7, 4070) why is it coming with only a 500 watt psu? Will it be able to handle an external drive for example? 500watts seems really low to me.
Why didn't u pick 1000 watt for 50 more is the ❓
Did you just change the exterior of the case and kept the same interior of the R15?!?! lol
The new design is so clean!
It's better but still really bad compared to other PC cases
The R16 looks sick. I loved the look of the R15 too, but this will hopefully be a huge upgrade thermally. I really like that it's a lot smaller.
Thanks Eddy! Great Review. The new Case is definantly interesting. I am happy to see that the team is approaching more of a traditional boxy modern look for the case. I am not too sold on it but hopefully it goes in the right direction. Think I will stick with my RTX 4090 Aurora R15 for a while. I personally like the look better and the performance has been no less than fantastic! Cant wait to see whats in store for the future! Cheers!
We appreciate the candid thoughts and feedback ❤️
@AlienwareChannel just watched Ganers Nexus, they tell you everything you're doing wrong
Dude, it's an Alienware. You want boxy and boring, buy an Inspiron. Alienware is supposed to be stylish and out there.
Just picked one up for 1200
Runs great for the price, the deals are out there guys
What kind of monitor you use?
@@JohnnySinns-h2q Dell Alienware 35 inch curved. Found it on Amazon "refurbishe" for a third of the cost. I got lucky, not a scratch on it. It so crisp and at 175mhz gameplay is smooooooooth.
I think it looks great and IMO a much healthier aesthetic for the brand, ditching most of the edginess without losing the trademark alienware futurist looks.
But like most viewers here, I just want to see proprietary parts left behind. Bravo on taking a step forward though.
I'm buying one this Dec. My favorite thing about the Aurora is, it doesn't have a name like the Aurora XJN204BZYN-WXY (2)! I really hate it when companies do that.
It's crazy how they improved so much but they're still 7 years behind in design.
So what are the design issues then in your mind?
The cheap and inefficient case, mobo, ram, cooling are the biggest problems. The case is better, but still not anywhere near where it should be. Still not nearly enough airflow. Just use a mesh front and 3 fans... simple stuff, it's 2023 not 2011. Why is the mobo still a dumb custom design and dimension. Cheap looking mobo and ram. Not enough fans to get proper airflow, and a 280mm rad should be the minimum for modern flagship cpus. They're just thermal throttling themselves it's kinda funny.
@@pathtoball4677 And yet, despite it all, the systems DO work and are reliable often times with benchmarks beating the class average. Laptops thermal throttle depending on model, the desktops if liquid cooled I assure you absolutely do not throttle on CPU or GPU. I know for a fact they do not. There is trade off on prebuilts, you settle for less theoretical quality but at the same time you cannot begin to ensure the components picked off the shelf and put together don’t have subtle incompatibilities. Dell and others have test runs which stress test all the components in tandem over thousands of load conditions to ensure stability. The custom motherboard is part of that btw. Instability is just higher in home builds on average. I have used both since about 1991, I know intimately this is true, there is a legit argument for prebuilt, even Dells Alienware line.
@@fractalelf7760 The fact that Alienware and other OEMs are allergic to the ATX standard makes them all bad designs
@@pathtoball4677from what I understand the system doesn't have temperature issues it predecessors does though? And I would assume the choice to sacrifice some efficiency for looks makes sense from a brand prospective. Otherwise what would be the point in buying a brand?
Finally, you all changed the case 🥳
They haven't really, just another reskin
it's a lot better than before but could still use improvements, 2 fans as intake on the front, give us a mesh front. Gamers love RGB need some RGB RAM, and some on the AIO. Also LCD screens is the new thing, Like the Corsair and NZXT or ASUS, need a LCD AIO. Or at least some RGB on the CPU cap for AIO and RGB fans. Is the AIO removable? Or even just the fans. Also a seperate headphone and mic jack on the front would be nice. But this is a step in the right direction, with room for improvement.
Appreciate the feedback! We'll share it up the chain
I don't get everyone's craze for RGB me personally I prefer the more slick and not in your face approach with lighting, less is more if you ask me
Going to buy one for christmas 🔥🔥
This still uses a proprietary motherboard and power supply connectors. Essentially e-waste (just like previous versions), but without the cheap plastic shell.
If it lasts for what, 10-20 years maybe. Wouldn't you already be getting a different build then? I understand wanting to have full customization, but if it last a while you would probably just get another one.
Would love to see a white color and some more rgb
Nice one, thanks Alienware.. I'm considering to change my R12 to this one.
I have the Aurora R5 and it still works.
On the new Alienware Aurora R16 is the side panel window made from tempered glass or acrylic?
It's actually a thermoformed multilayered resin! We chose this material as the side panel is not a fully flat surface, and wanted the clear door to follow the subtle curve of the chassis.
@@AlienwareChannel Thankyou for the reply, I love the look of the new Aurora R16, thankyou for the video!
White introduction? Lunar light?
Do you still gimp the power draw of the Core i9 so that it only performs as well as a Core i7?
Most likely, as that VRM looks like a joke for a motherboard meant for a 13900K lmao
WHY is there no internal light inside the chassis on the R16?!?!?! Ugh
We've since launched a few extra configs to make that an option!
and I just bought the 15 from ya'll 4 weeks ago :( I should have waited
You've still got a powerful desktop on your hands
15 is more powerful than 16
I would rather have a 15
as an owner of the r15 i HATE the front panel and trying to clean it. its a real pain... other than that its a nice design and i like this new design as well but i share the same dislike of the MB and the PSU being proprietary.
@@groc279 I do agree with you on the front bezel. How are you able to get around the riveted area?
that case is just crying out for some more front ventilation. it would be really cool to move to an all mesh front panel to allow for better intake + positive pressure. those VRMs and the SSD will need more cool air, especially with the AIO not providing any airflow for them (like air cooling would).
i'm still rocking an alienware aurora r7 with an AIO & taking off the plastic housing + adding two noctua nf-p12 intake fans improves so much.
also what is with the proprietary long motherboard design? it kills any upgradability or case swap down the line. proprietary parts just end up as e-waste down the line
Are we going to be able to change the motherboard on these new models??? I absolutely love these cases but just can't buy one without being able to put my own mobo in there, I need that upgradeability and the chance to get the support assist stuff that bricked my last Alienware away from the system.
And this is why you shouldn’t buy Alienware until they can sort this out. Other boards simply cannot fit in this case because the case is not ATX. Nor is the power supply.
I purchased a new R10 Ryzen last year but would love to get my hands on an R14 case to get that nice see-through side panel. Did managed to cure airflow issues in the R10 though by running Noctua Cromax NF12 x 25 fans with two running intake and 2 more on a push/pull on the radiator. Temps are high 60 / low 70s (on a hot day) with that config.
Still waiting to be able to upgrade my Area 51m laptop like you promised! Do you really believe the stuff you say?
does the Propriety Parts allow for Thermal-Grizzly CPU Contact Frame and Noctua NF-S12B redux-1200 PWM fans.
Imagine coming up with this design, looking over at the R15, and being like, yeah. Ok. Let’s do that.
I'm so glad I got the R15, it looks so much better than the R16. Also, the R15 provides a 1350-watt power supply, so I personally am way happier off with this older build instead.
So easy to configure what you want and the best warranty of any. I've had a technician drive 300 km. to my house to change parts and all within a week of diagnosing the issue on the phone. I'd like to see Corsair or any other brand do that.
If you spent 3 hours of your time building a PC you would of gotten a much better preforming PC for cheaper and could of fixed the issue yourself because there are no proprietary parts
@@bfdia51 ....you're right if you're into building them. I'm into using them and only have a passing interest in how they are put together. If I messed up it could be weeks or months getting things running again. I'll pay a little extra to get things fixed by people who know how.
I would love to test one out!
If ordering in UK do we get a UK plug.
Does the Keyboard 510k i ordered with mine come with a UK layout.
Beautiful. So much more elegant than the R15
Love the Alienware desktops, but you know what I miss? The Aurora ALX R2. You folks should re-design that!
With those fins on top... :)
This Desktop looks awesome!
I'll wait on tech Jesus to review this
Nice Optiplex chassis!
When does Cooling with AlienFX will be available?
Time for some questions I'm sure your not going to want to answer, but might be of use for anyone considering one of these systems.
For system upgrade you mention tool less upgrades for the GPU, RAM and storage. RAM never needed a tool. Tool less drive bays have been around for at least 8 years. And the GPU should have at least one screw, but that can be one that can be removed by hand.
What about the CPU? If you get a 12th gen now, are you going to be able to upgrade that to a 13th gen later? They both use the LGA 1700 socket and are both compatible with the Z690 and Z790 chipset.
Asking because the R10 had both 3000 and 5000 options. The systems that shipped with a 3000 CPU used the B450 chipset but did not get the BIOS update needed to run the 5000 chips.
And Intel changes sockets on even generations, so 14th gen will be a new socket.
What about the PSU? You didn't mention its proprietary. Any reason for this omission? Are you going to be selling compatible PSUs?
With the PSU, efficiency has nothing to do with the quality of the power. It means that if the system is using 1000W (going for round numbers), and you have a 92% efficient PSU (about what an 80+ Platinum PSU will get), the PSU will only be pulling an extra 8% (or 80W in this case) from the wall.
With regards to the "special features". Never herd of the 'Flex power' If your getting a power surge, shouldn't that be handled by a surge protector? And that is going to cut power. There is
OVP (Over Voltage Protection), but that only addresses the 'system' side of the PSU, not the ‘wall’ side.
Burst power. First, power doesn't work like that. The PSU doesn't 'push' power, components pull power. What you have described is boost or turbo on the CPU or GPU. If the CPU/GPU is under load and has thermal headroom (aka its cool enough/isn't going to overheat), it will start pulling more power so it can push its clock speed up.
And on the topic of CPU power, will the CPU be able to hold its boost clocks/power? The R13 and Intel R15s where massively under preforming due to power limits. Has that been addressed?
We'll do our best to answer some of these.
- CPU Upgrades: Yes, since they leverage the same socket, you should be able to upgrade from a 12th Gen Intel CPU to a 13th Gen.
- CPU Power: Overclocking will not be available on the Aurora R16, however the
- FlexPower technology allows power supply and motherboard to communicate protecting you from system shutdowns in the event of a power surge due to performance needs.
- BurstPower technology allows our power supply to double its power during a performance surge to assist performance needs.
- Proprietary Components: The motherboard and power supply were designed to work their best in tandem with each other.
@@AlienwareChannel Nice to see a response of sorts.
Should be able to is not will be able to. The R10s use the AM4 socket, that socket was comparable with both the 3000 and 5000 CPUs, amongst others. The only thing needed for compatibility moving from a 3000 to 5000 series CPU was a BIOS update. To my knowledge, that update has not been published by Dell.
Fair point on overclocking, if your only shipping the R16 with non K sku CPUs they don't support overclocking and that is an Intel thing.
Still too much marketing fluff around the PSU features. Is it an external power surge or high draw from a CPU/GPU boost? Surge implies an external event...
Yes there is a hold up time, but its not new. Yes the 3080/3090/4080/4090 GPUs can pull a LOT of power in very, very short bursts. That pull is enough to trip smaller PSUs, simple fix is more/bigger caps. But that is all dealing with at most 1/60th of a second.
Its too easy to technobabble around people. Sell the technical features, not the marketing. But as I have no way of verifying and being well aware of Dunning Kruger, I shall leave that testing to an independent team with the proper testing equipment to verify.
While the PSU features got temporary pass, proprietary components don't. Its a yes or no question: either they are or are not proprietary. If they are, will replacements/spares be sold out of warranty?
i'm close to choose this model but I'm going through a white color theme.... Please have the case in a Lunar white?
I once loved this brand so much. Now I can't stand the looks of this new horrible design. Absolute betrayal to the AW brand design.
How is it a betrayal?
*nice XPS 😎*
I just got this computer and alianware command center is not compatable with it, windows 11 came preintalled. How do I change lights
It's a great PC but for some reason, only one fan is spinning and there are two more fans in the build. That fan that is spinning is the fan on the CPU
If your fans aren't spinning, reach out to our support team through www.alienware.com/support and they can help troubleshoot with you.
While this is unequivocally a step in the right direction, I think I'm gonna be better off going the DIY route until Alienware makes something that truly deserves the "Alienware Tax" they tack on every config
Will there be any impact on product warranty if a customer upgrades PC at his end?
UNfortunately Alienware case designs are falling behind. and their proprietary parts really limit how long their cases last.
So what is the current trendsetter design exactly? They literally based this off designs that Linus and others keep pulling out to make their point.
@@fractalelf7760 ATX is a standard that exists..
@@fractalelf7760 Ask a case how much airflow it has. Consider only the ones that answer with "Yes"
A less silly but equally valid answer: easy to clean mesh filter. Nothing between the inside and outside besides the fan and the filter. 1I-1O or 2I-1O config, plus any AIO fans at minimum.
Lol. Kiddies wanting cases that look pretty.
@@novoca1n3 hahaha
Will this work for DaVinci resolve 19... video editing??
yeah, it's got plenty of power to edit with ease, and speed up those exports!
Great info on this new awesome-looking Alienware Aurora R16. Can the RAM be upgraded with RGB RAM sticks? Would the motherboard support this? If not, what type of RAM can be used?
I am not an alienware tech, but as RGB ram gets power directly from the ram socket, yes, you can. (And I am on mine)
Now you make the R16 and I'm stuck with R13 until 2027. Guess I will be getting the R20
I have the previous gen can I ask do you restrict power to the cpu to keep heat down as reviewers are saying?
Would I order to choose Air cooler at custom option??
This was a very interesting explanatory video.
I am aware that the CPU cooling was not perfect in R15. Is the CPU cooling in R16 using the same parts as in R15?
I am waiting for R16 to be released in Japan as soon as possible.
The issue with the R15 isn't the cooling, its with the power. The only review with a useful benchmark uses a 13900KF, so I will use the same CPU but the trend holds for the 13700K/KF in the R15. And I can't see it somehow being different for the 13600K either. 13900KF should be running P cores at 5.2GHz and E cores at 4.3GHz. And that is allowed to go higher with better cooling. The R15 runs the 13900KF at 4.4GHz for the P cores and 3.4GHz for the E cores.
Technically the thermals/240mm cooler is fine but the CPU is running 15-20% under what it should be. For a normal 13900K a 240mm cooler is just on the edge of being fine, if you live in a cold area and keep your room chilly you should be fine. If it gets warm (21C+) probably not and a 280/260mm cooler will be better. Plus the CPU can run faster with better cooling.
It seems like they are actually listening now but i actually preferred the previous design. This took the Alien out of Alienware. There should be a way to incorporate the previous design while adding more cooling functionality and interior space. Make the outer smaller and the inner bigger to not increase the size, don't tilt it sideways this time. Cmon guys get it together I am trying to support here...
Can someone please make a video on how to open this thing properly and clean it properly. It’s pretty ridiculous. There’s not one out there yet.
How many layers have motherboard? Thanks in advance.
Kind dig the new design, but come on.. No one likes proprietary parts, ditch the cheapo proprietary motherboard.. 12 phase VRM is nothing spectacular and its kind of funny that he was kind of implying that 4 pin PWM fan headers are some kind of "new and exciting tech exclusive to this computer!!!" also it could use another 2 or so USB type A on the rear and definitely a type c on the front.
There _is_ a type C USB port on the front.
I like it but you should have kept the lighting on the cpu cooler.
This machine is a monster. I mean, it's a beast.
If it's too expensive, get your money up
Very impressive design 👏
I still love my R14 but i will upgrade in another future revision.
Will Alienware desktops ever have Thunderbolt? I know the laptops have it, but the big thing putting me off from buying the desktop is that there's no Thunderbolt. I know cost wise to get licensing for the technology + proprietary motherboard makes it difficult, but it'd be huge if on the next iteration of the motherboard it's included in some way, even just for one port because I think that's what most people need, and what I need as well
It's complex than that, and there's a reason very few manufacturers use Thunderbolt on Desktops, beyond the fact that space saving the I/O is not a concern, and carrying video support isn't possible with separate graphics cards.
The new look is nice, though I'm a fan of the R15 design more personally. Any chance we will ever get products like the X51 and Alpha again? I had both machines and I absolutely loved the small form factor and power those things packed.
Yeah I still love my X51
I still have the Alienware X51, it's lasted me 12 years. It's in retirement me now I have the Aurora R13
@@5Melanie5 Mine is my backup now, currently still using an R8 :)
An Alpha with an i5 13600k, RTX 4070 ti small form factor, and 32gb 6000mhz ddr5 ram would be a mini menace
I still have my Alpha R2! great little machine for the time even though I have moved to a tower.
I’d like that you refresh the laptop in a sleeker way too ! Or create a new line of desktops with the same designs cue as this.
how do we get that hoodie
Sorry if this was asked here before, but can you confirm the max dimensions for a GPU that this case can accommodate?
Not even 12 months of r15 and we already got another version
does that rtx 4070 run on that 500w psu?
My girlfriend wants one since I already have an r15 but she wants this design in a white case. Any plans for that?
We're only considering the new Aurora R16 in black at the moment. But, happy to share the interest with our internal teams!
R16 The NEXT step in E-waste from a once renown brand
Why does the r16 not comes with 4090 graphics card? And why don't you guys allow the option of having 2 SSD drive be possible with r16?
More available configuration options will be available in the coming months.
@@AlienwareChannel ok, look forward to one with 4090 graphics card and 2 SSD drive over in Singapore. While keeping the price competitive 2.
What is the size of your monitor?
Are these PC’s future proff, like can you upgrade them, like CPU AND GPU
As long as your PSU supports the upgrade!
So I just got my r16 it took 3 days to get the command system to work for some reason. Once I had that running I have no option to change the lights on the system. How do I get that working correctly?
You probably just got a bad one
I bought this computer and I want to install a second SSD. Does it have to be the same brand and model?
no
Give us the new AWCC 6.0 to the Alienware x15 R1, R2 laptops, and comparable desktops too. Why its gotta be available exclusively on the new 2023 models?
We are currently exploring compatibility with our older laptops/desktops/peripherals. Stay tuned for additional news and updates.
@@AlienwareChannel I’m looking forward for that piece of software to be available and running on those systems
can you put other motherboards in it? can it take a full size graphics card? i like the case, you can keep the rest
lmao other motherboards are absolutely *not* supported because of the proprietary case & power supply
I'm Waiting on the 4090Ti configuration
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It's too bad that Alienware got rid of the ambient light inside the case like the old R15 design had. Was unique.
Edit: overall it's ok.
Just received mine Saturday! Loving it so far!
When dell is launching this in India? Waiting to get one!!!
Reach out to our team using the chat feature on Alienware.com, and they can give you a more specific answer as availability can vary by country.
But this new PC will still not be able to replace my Alienware Area 51. Any plans in the near future to bring out a replace for the best pc that Alienware ever made?
Like with all our products, stay tuned for any and all updates through our social channels.
I own an R16, it runs great! Very good thermals! I like the minimalistic design! Great job Alienware! 👏 I would recommend if you are looking for a quality pre built gaming pc from a reputable mfg.
z690 only motherboard why?