Excellent video and very timely. I was in the military for 33 years and my son is a police officer and we were just having this conversation about plate carriers on Father's Day. When I discovered his department would allow him to purchase his own plate carrier as long as it is black rather than use the department issued plate carrier I bought him a Crye JPC 2.0 with multi curve level 4 plates. You are so right about buying quality plate carriers and the way you described sizing the plates was one of the best explanations I have seen on any RUclips channel. Level 4 plates are just there to protect your vital organs. You also make excellent points about not loading down your plate carrier with miscellaneous junk for every possible scenario. Glad I stumbled across your channel today and look forward to watching more of your content.
That's awesome you were able to do that for him and I'm glad you're enjoying the content. I wear issued soft armor on duty but am authorized whatever I want as long as it's Coyote, multicam or ranger green for tac work, training and response rigs
This video got you a subscriber. Thank you for saying the shit nobody wants to hear, but everyone needs to. I'm an old man now(54), and I can tell you that after spending 30 years in the Army, speed and mobility are THE answer. I don't move like I used to, but jumping out of planes and rucking to the range or the field does that to you. It ain't the years, it's the mileage. I do still wear plates, because DUH, but I don't carry much more than you talked about. 3-5 mags, IFAK, a small-ish fixed blade knife(because you always need one for something), admin stuff(map, compass, protractor, pencil, etc.), a CamelBak and not too much more. I can add a GP pouch for pogeybait and fire making if I need to. I simply can't bear the weight like I used to. It's hard to admit that, but it's true. I don't have a team or a squad or platoon to back me up any more, so protracted gunfights simply aren't on the menu. If I need more ammo that what I mentioned, I shouldn't still be there. The thing I have done over that long career and still practice today is making all those rounds count. Thanks again for a great video, keep 'em coming.
@@unclefreedom213there's nothing wrong with having 12 or 14 mags on your plate carrier as well as one in your rifle what you fail to remember is the civilian has no resupply we are not in the military where we have everything we need and it can be flown in and dropped off personally I don't carry a IFAK I do carry 4 tourniquets on me that is to simply slow the bleeding once again not only do we not have resupply we do not have a medical tent where I can be worked on I am simply in the fight until I die that is what people need to realize I train carrying as many mags as possible why because I remembered nobody's going to give me one when I run out just something to think about brother
@gregoryminor5823 carry them in a bag or a vehicle if you're engaged and you've burned 7 mags and they're still fighting you. you need to move 100 loaded mags won't save you from a determined force if you can't maneuver. Your TQ logic is flawed a junctions sight wound think pelvis, armpit, hips can cause major bleed that a tq can't and will not fix you have to pack those with pressure unless you're running a junctional TQ in which case you're immobile. chest wounds require occlusion dressings to seal it up even with plates it can be a problem
@@unclefreedom213 I carry plenty of mags on my person as well as in my my tourniquet method is not flawed I said it the first time we do not have any medical tents to go back to we do not have anyone to operate on us nor do we have all of the equipment needed so it's simple I'm in the fight until I die the tourniquet is only to stop bleeding where it can be used so that I can stay in the fight maybe if we survive fighting for two years we will have acquired things from the enemy so that we will have medical tents to be able to go back to but until then I'm in it until I die the rest of y'all want to run around looking slick go for it that's on you just don't look to me for a MAG when you showed up with three or four this land actually mean something to me my family came here in the year 1623 before it was a country my family's name is well-known up and down the East Coast there are plaques and monuments thanking them for the things that they had achieved to help expand the colonies my family's blood and sweat runs deep through the soul of this once-great nation I will do what I have to to preserve it for my daughter and grandchildrenthese generations today or weak and pathetic I would rather fight this fight so that my future generations do not have to deal with it I'm ready to die that's not just talk I have no problem dying for a righteous cause in a yawl that want to look cool pop off a few rounds and then run away go for it more power to you
@gregoryminor5823 your basic premise about lack of resupply is all too true. However, you also can't carry everything with you. You'll be too slow and lack ability to sprint or maneuver. There are other options -- though all have one or more downsides, as well as advantages. If you're defending a home or Homestead, the obvious solution is to have necessary supplies cached at your primary defensive points/posts. Ammo cans make a safe storage bin and have strong handles for moving. Choose the size/ # of cans based on how much you need to store vs. any needs to move the items. The larger ammo cans -- say for large caliber rifles or even mortar rounds -- are excellent for high-use fixed points. If we get to that point -- and let's hope/pray we never do -- older kids and younger teens unable to wield weapons could be your ammo carriers and help resupply posts under attack. (Dangerous? SURE. But less dangerous than marauders/looters gaining control of the home and eliminating all witnesses to the crime. Yes, they will kill the teens and kids, too. So, come up with a plan for your self-resupply and teach everyone what, how and when to implement.
Unc I hope you had a great Father’s Day. I knew this channel would do great because you seem to be a straight shooter and what you say is the truth and you would stand behind it.
I see no reason to be any other way there are tons of guys that are basically selling gear. I push gear too but only what I personally run and use if there's a reason I won't use it no way in hell I'm telling someone else to.
Excellent Video! My military service pre-dates Plate carriers and chest rigs by more than a few years so all this is new to me. I now know how get what I need not necessarily what I think I need. Since I have rifles in all three rounds 5.56, 7.62x39 and 7.62x51 the plate carrier with the interchangeable placards seems to make the most sense. The physical side is going to take longer to fix. I was laid up for 2/3 of 2021 and even longer than that in 2022. I have been working my way back into better physical shape since the first of the year. I really learn a lot from your videos.
sorry to hear you were laid up but am happy to hear you're getting back after it. The placard option would be great you can usually get the. 308 placards that will also run the 7.62x39 mags. 5.56 placards re everywhere. I'm glad you found the video helpful that's the whole reason I started a youtube, to talk about gear and things I like and to pass on some hard won knowledge.
This is a really good refresher for the peeps that “armored up”during the Germ Days. The key point to remember about armor that always bugs me is what you say at 23 minutes and 50 seconds in. Face shot. Nut shot. You’re fucked. You may as well keep yourself as light as possible. I see many of these guys today in the Ukraine, wearing extra abdominal armor to keep their guts from being blown out from a drone-dropped hand grenade. They adapted to the situation. It’s hard to tell what your risk factor will be a future zombie apocalypse, but no doubt flexibility of movement is your best friend. War is destruction and death, and in the end, there’s nothing that can protect you 100%. You just may get to live to fight another day, and die then.
Great video 👍 I run steel with rubber backed padding. Steel is heavy it's what I got for now rated for 30-06. I have several rigs 1 home defense and 1 run/bug out and 1 for my kid. Im in the gym making my body even better for moving with heavy stuff attached to me great advice keep up the good work 👍.
I gave up on replying to all comments once I hit about 10k subs. Let alone the 25k I am at haha Very good advice. I would always recommend getting the largest armor possible. And getting a setup based off of your needs. Pay attention to the direction you put your mags into your carrier, so you dont load a mag in backwards in the heat of the moment.
Do to the easy access to body armor over the past decade. Criminal also use it. So I've trained and trained my five children to aim small and shoot small to the head/neck and pelvic areas. It's the only way we've trained now. It has become instinctive. A miss becomes the chest shot.
That is true I tell people that in Home defense classes be prepared to fight someone that may have armor. In a shtf scenario I would expect everyone to be armored
I have a shellback carrier with cheaper (heavy) rma lvl 4 plates with a placard that holds 3 rifle mags a multi tool and flash light. The cummerbund would also hold 8 mags if i wanted, I’m in the process putting together medical to go in the cummerbund. The idea of having medical on the front of my carrier never appealed to me as a lot of people are taught to aim center mass and i don’t want holes in my chest seals. As a “prepared citizen” it mostly just sits in the closet,i dry fire and wear it to the range sometimes. I set it up a few years back when i heard some politicians talking about banning lvl4 plates and had the same thought as you lol.
I've had no issues with shellback this is my third one. Rma is super heavy for thir cheaper 4 plates. Train in it however you can folks don't even bat an eye at it now with all the crossfitters running vests for workputs
@@unclefreedom213 over the winter i wore it under my coat when i take the dog for a walk lol. I never thought about dudes wearing vests for CrossFit training that’s a good point. I know the first time i wore it to the range i could definitely feel it going from prone/kneeling to standing lol it was rough.
that would be fun for sure short list for me Velocity Scarab Ferro Slickster Crye JPC 1.0 Shellback SF Spiritus OVert best for the money is the Slickster switch the cummerbund add a placard run it slick run a stretch cummerbund and it comfortable
I'll preface this by saying "I use poly/ceramic plates." But for steel, I think they make sense in an environment where you might get hit 2-3 times over 6 years of living in Somalia. There are 1 or 2 companies which have great spall protection coating. And there are kevlar bags for spall protection.
And you ask "do you need a Crocodile Dundee knife and 5 mags and ..." crap. To answer that, there are guys with lots of combat experience who say "I never used more than 2 mags in a fight so all I carry is 4" and other guys who say "based on my combat experience I carry 9-13 mags because we USED that much." I'm not here to argue anything other than, yes, I need a Crocodile Dundee knife. Back off. ;) My only answer is "depends what you are doing." I don't have enough experience to say "THIS is the right answer for everyone in all situations and contexts."
True on all points I have shot the frag bags for steel and they do work quite well actually. I also agree it depends on what you're doing we had guys in the Army with 14 mags but of all my use and experience I've either had it figured out within 5 or had broken contact. If you have a dundee knife you have to say "that's a knife" in the proper accent everytime you draw it
I've been on the fence between ceramic and steel. For SHTF type stuff where that will likely be the last set of plates you'll have access to, I'm leaning towards steel with frag bags. It's heavier and still has a spall risk. But they're generally more robust and durable longterm. I've seen guys damage ceramics just by dropping them. My thinking goes more along the lines of your Somalia example. If I've found myself getting shot multiple times in one engagement, I've already made some terrible decisions that no plate will likely save me from. In that case, I'm probably not making it home either way. But being able to take a few rounds over several years could make a difference. Ceramic would definitely be better if switching them out if damaged was an option. I need to do more research into poly. I hadn't heard of it until fairly recently, but I guess it could be the best option. Though I'm guessing it's much more expensive.
@@ryanburns3921 in short, Poly let's green tip and 7N6 punch through. It may let other rounds punch through, I don't know. I suspect Chinese mild steel core would go through. There is work being done to make poly stand up to rounds will a little steel in them and my understanding is those efforts are successful and the plates are already being sold. For bigger bucks. Another issue with poly plates is they break down over time. They are basically milk jug plastic and studies have found they lose bullet resistance when exposed to heat. This seems to be more of an issue for soft armor made of fibers and left in cars in the summer where it can get over 150F. I believe what I saw is that poly rifle armor is thick enough it does not absorb enough heat before nightfall to experience chemical changes and degraded performance. I don't have a recommendation. Just a lot of information. I went with a combo ceramic face over poly backer. It will be fine for a few hits in Somalia 2.0 but after that I'm going to look a lot like an Afgani whose been fighting the last 20 years with no armor at all.
Finally someone who says it; unless you have a need for it, don’t put it on. Big difference in needs between people in Military and LE and Civilian use. Being a commo guy I laughed at the ATAK part, so many people will buy a mount and case and just use it to hold their phone. What they don’t realize is the actual military version is meant to work with a radio compatible with it, and it’s cell services are disabled. If SHTF and you lost cell services, you’re screwed, better hope you know land nav.
It's right up there with the stuff I talked about in the DMR video. Oh, this youtuber has this widget. I have to have that widget.... no, I need two of them. I have seen guys use the juggernaut cases for recording shooting at the range which isn't a terrible idea but I've also seen a guy with it all setup who just had his old iPhone in it that didn't even work.
I’m about to go into Texas’ trooper academy and am wondering how long you had to be on the job before you could do what you do. Getting well trained and knowledgeable enough to teach future officers is really cool to me. I know different states are different, but they usually aren’t far off from one another.
It really depends dept to dept I was lucky I had a background teaching years before I became a cop. If it's what you're good at watch for openings let you command know you're interested and be good at your daily job of being a cop it'll fall into place as long as you take care of the little stuff
Thanks unk great job sir im 6.3 and 260 ponds i thout i was in fairly good shape till ar 500 plates with 3 ar mags and 50 pound ruck sack all the Fla heat and humidity humidity. Turns out that shit sucks on 3 mile ruck. Lol.
truth it gets easier I spend most of my life in armor either hard or soft and some days just suck. When it's 100 degrees with high humidity and no wind and blazing sun it rough. I'm a Bama boy so you could say I'm conditioned
All of my Plate Carriers and Chest Rigs have 6 loaded rifle magazines and 2 loaded pistol magazines. My Carriers and Rigs are not for Running. They are made for working on my farm after SHTF. Of course they also have canteen, IFAK, food and com. Be safe my friends.
By your fitment guide i'm 14W x 14 or 15L, I guess I'm the exception. Then again I'm overweight. I could see the soft armor all around vest but not that huge of a hard plate. I've not seen anything but the standard size.
you would run a large plate 11x14 so when you search size large you may have to run an extended cummerbund which are available from most companies depending on how much tactical temp protection you have
If you're overweight, like me, keep in mind what he said in the video. Your vital organs are still the same size. If you're 6'2 and 200lbs, your vitals are the same size as someone that's 6'2 and 400lbs. A respiratory therapist explained to me that your skeletal size and vitals are proportional to height more than weight. As we get in better shape. That 11x14 will just fit better and better. Good luck.
My @$$hole puckered enough to change the barometric pressure in the room a couple times in watching this vid, as I had just ordered carriers and plates for my wife and I. Lol. But all ok. I rewatched and verified I had checked all the boxes presented. Whew! Good content.
@unclefreedomvalleytacticsa7521 I too made the goofball mistake of getting steel. Rectifying that dumbf@ckery. But you present a great framework for the decision process that I will definitely apply to future purposes.
Again great info ty. Refuge medical has great USA made med kits. They have all types of kits from tiny to team kits ect. Owned by bear independent also great you tube creator
I know it's off topic of the video, but I would like to hear your opinion on compensators on your duty weapon. I have a single top port only comp on a Sign P320. Haven't had it very long but no malfunctions in the first 250 rounds. We do not have any department policy against it.
Officer Meanie head a buddy of mine runs a comped g17 and he loves it as long as you continue with proper grip and fundamentals they can really benefit the shooter. I would just use caution and vet the hell out of the fact that it will run your duty and training ammo without issues
Thanks, that's the part I'm currently working on. Only about 250 rounds so far but I have a case of training ammo and plan to run about 100 rounds of my duty ammo.
Whats your thoughts on the shellback skirmish tactical plate carrier and the shellback rampage 2.0. Are either of these good? Will be used for what if shtf. Train for what if. I'm older but would like to get, have something in case and as you said the tyrants at any time could say YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT! I'm female 5' 10" 150lbs.
I think its a neat idea I would love to shoot some not the RUclips I shot it 50 times with a 9mm shoot it, I mean a practical engagement distance with real rounds it would encounter on a gel torso. I do like the idea and I've handled some and it was quite comfortable. Hey @safelife send your man something to shoot
short answer yes but that's as far as I'll go down that road as far as info goes I'm just a gear and tactics guy who loves to help others make informed decisions
Oh yeah, I've seen that. My thought is you want to LARP go for it. I believe all citizens that can legally own gear and I don't mean their state says I mean, you don't have a felony or domestic charge." The states" shouldn't be able to violate the constitution. You should own gear and train at the highest level you can. You should own the best, most viable, and effective gear you can own. Essentially own the best gear you can, save up, dont go into debt and be a red blooded American protector of innocence
Some people are rich. Some people get issued gear. Start with a chest rig and 3-5 mags and a rifle and IFAK. Get training. Build out as funds allow. But bullets, bandaids, and training are worth more than gear. Especially fancy gear. Get super basic stuff. Use the hell out of it
Get a Chicom chest rig, run recycled Gatorade bottles out of a Jansport or Swissgear backpack, run irons on your rifle, get a set of snap caps and run thousands of dry fires. Get good with basic gear if you are not swimming in money.
These guys who think they are going to “CQB” if SHTF, are living in a fairytale world. There will likely be no need to clear a room or building unless a loved one is inside, otherwise, don’t do it
Excellent video and very timely. I was in the military for 33 years and my son is a police officer and we were just having this conversation about plate carriers on Father's Day. When I discovered his department would allow him to purchase his own plate carrier as long as it is black rather than use the department issued plate carrier I bought him a Crye JPC 2.0 with multi curve level 4 plates. You are so right about buying quality plate carriers and the way you described sizing the plates was one of the best explanations I have seen on any RUclips channel. Level 4 plates are just there to protect your vital organs. You also make excellent points about not loading down your plate carrier with miscellaneous junk for every possible scenario. Glad I stumbled across your channel today and look forward to watching more of your content.
That's awesome you were able to do that for him and I'm glad you're enjoying the content. I wear issued soft armor on duty but am authorized whatever I want as long as it's Coyote, multicam or ranger green for tac work, training and response rigs
This video got you a subscriber. Thank you for saying the shit nobody wants to hear, but everyone needs to. I'm an old man now(54), and I can tell you that after spending 30 years in the Army, speed and mobility are THE answer. I don't move like I used to, but jumping out of planes and rucking to the range or the field does that to you. It ain't the years, it's the mileage. I do still wear plates, because DUH, but I don't carry much more than you talked about. 3-5 mags, IFAK, a small-ish fixed blade knife(because you always need one for something), admin stuff(map, compass, protractor, pencil, etc.), a CamelBak and not too much more. I can add a GP pouch for pogeybait and fire making if I need to. I simply can't bear the weight like I used to. It's hard to admit that, but it's true. I don't have a team or a squad or platoon to back me up any more, so protracted gunfights simply aren't on the menu. If I need more ammo that what I mentioned, I shouldn't still be there. The thing I have done over that long career and still practice today is making all those rounds count. Thanks again for a great video, keep 'em coming.
Perfect, I knew I needed a sign to take early lunch today lol
Hahaha this made my day
One of the most pertinent ,down to earth video, explaining real life application of: Need vs Want 🍻
Thank you that's what I shoot for. I have a lot of time in this world and this gear I've learned some uncomfortable and expensive lessons
@@unclefreedom213there's nothing wrong with having 12 or 14 mags on your plate carrier as well as one in your rifle what you fail to remember is the civilian has no resupply we are not in the military where we have everything we need and it can be flown in and dropped off personally I don't carry a IFAK I do carry 4 tourniquets on me that is to simply slow the bleeding once again not only do we not have resupply we do not have a medical tent where I can be worked on I am simply in the fight until I die that is what people need to realize I train carrying as many mags as possible why because I remembered nobody's going to give me one when I run out just something to think about brother
@gregoryminor5823 carry them in a bag or a vehicle if you're engaged and you've burned 7 mags and they're still fighting you. you need to move 100 loaded mags won't save you from a determined force if you can't maneuver. Your TQ logic is flawed a junctions sight wound think pelvis, armpit, hips can cause major bleed that a tq can't and will not fix you have to pack those with pressure unless you're running a junctional TQ in which case you're immobile. chest wounds require occlusion dressings to seal it up even with plates it can be a problem
@@unclefreedom213 I carry plenty of mags on my person as well as in my my tourniquet method is not flawed I said it the first time we do not have any medical tents to go back to we do not have anyone to operate on us nor do we have all of the equipment needed so it's simple I'm in the fight until I die the tourniquet is only to stop bleeding where it can be used so that I can stay in the fight maybe if we survive fighting for two years we will have acquired things from the enemy so that we will have medical tents to be able to go back to but until then I'm in it until I die the rest of y'all want to run around looking slick go for it that's on you just don't look to me for a MAG when you showed up with three or four this land actually mean something to me my family came here in the year 1623 before it was a country my family's name is well-known up and down the East Coast there are plaques and monuments thanking them for the things that they had achieved to help expand the colonies my family's blood and sweat runs deep through the soul of this once-great nation I will do what I have to to preserve it for my daughter and grandchildrenthese generations today or weak and pathetic I would rather fight this fight so that my future generations do not have to deal with it I'm ready to die that's not just talk I have no problem dying for a righteous cause in a yawl that want to look cool pop off a few rounds and then run away go for it more power to you
@gregoryminor5823 your basic premise about lack of resupply is all too true.
However, you also can't carry everything with you. You'll be too slow and lack ability to sprint or maneuver.
There are other options -- though all have one or more downsides, as well as advantages.
If you're defending a home or Homestead, the obvious solution is to have necessary supplies cached at your primary defensive points/posts.
Ammo cans make a safe storage bin and have strong handles for moving. Choose the size/ # of cans based on how much you need to store vs. any needs to move the items. The larger ammo cans -- say for large caliber rifles or even mortar rounds -- are excellent for high-use fixed points.
If we get to that point -- and let's hope/pray we never do -- older kids and younger teens unable to wield weapons could be your ammo carriers and help resupply posts under attack. (Dangerous? SURE. But less dangerous than marauders/looters gaining control of the home and eliminating all witnesses to the crime. Yes, they will kill the teens and kids, too.
So, come up with a plan for your self-resupply and teach everyone what, how and when to implement.
Very helpful video. I just recently got a new plate carrier and was overthinking the setup. Awesome video
Glad it was able to help you. Everytime I get a comment like this is drives me to put out more content
Unc I hope you had a great Father’s Day. I knew this channel would do great because you seem to be a straight shooter and what you say is the truth and you would stand behind it.
I see no reason to be any other way there are tons of guys that are basically selling gear. I push gear too but only what I personally run and use if there's a reason I won't use it no way in hell I'm telling someone else to.
My gun belt kills my hips I'm small framed guy, and I'm put some of the heavy stuff off my hips for work
Excellent Video! My military service pre-dates Plate carriers and chest rigs by more than a few years so all this is new to me. I now know how get what I need not necessarily what I think I need. Since I have rifles in all three rounds 5.56, 7.62x39 and 7.62x51 the plate carrier with the interchangeable placards seems to make the most sense. The physical side is going to take longer to fix. I was laid up for 2/3 of 2021 and even longer than that in 2022. I have been working my way back into better physical shape since the first of the year. I really learn a lot from your videos.
sorry to hear you were laid up but am happy to hear you're getting back after it. The placard option would be great you can usually get the. 308 placards that will also run the 7.62x39 mags. 5.56 placards re everywhere. I'm glad you found the video helpful that's the whole reason I started a youtube, to talk about gear and things I like and to pass on some hard won knowledge.
Excellent points.
This is a really good refresher for the peeps that “armored up”during the Germ Days.
The key point to remember about armor that always bugs me is what you say at 23 minutes and 50 seconds in.
Face shot. Nut shot.
You’re fucked.
You may as well keep yourself as light as possible.
I see many of these guys today in the Ukraine, wearing extra abdominal armor to keep their guts from being blown out from a drone-dropped hand grenade.
They adapted to the situation. It’s hard to tell what your risk factor will be a future zombie apocalypse, but no doubt flexibility of movement is your best friend.
War is destruction and death, and in the end, there’s nothing that can protect you 100%. You just may get to live to fight another day, and die then.
Great information, I agree with you, just the basics is better. I love my plate carrier and it is basic like you described.
Thanks for watching!
Great video 👍 I run steel with rubber backed padding. Steel is heavy it's what I got for now rated for 30-06. I have several rigs 1 home defense and 1 run/bug out and 1 for my kid. Im in the gym making my body even better for moving with heavy stuff attached to me great advice keep up the good work 👍.
Great information
Thank you for this really great info ill definitely use it thanks.
Wish you had more followers because this is good info. Gonna be alot of people that die because there out of shape
Thanks for the help. How about a top 3 or top 5 plate carriors video to follow up?
Yeah I can do that. I'm glad it helped
Great video new sub here 💪🏼🇺🇸 thank you appreciate that experience talking thank you brother God bless 💯 greetings from TX .
I appreciate it
I gave up on replying to all comments once I hit about 10k subs. Let alone the 25k I am at haha
Very good advice. I would always recommend getting the largest armor possible. And getting a setup based off of your needs.
Pay attention to the direction you put your mags into your carrier, so you dont load a mag in backwards in the heat of the moment.
Well job done tio
thanks
Do to the easy access to body armor over the past decade. Criminal also use it. So I've trained and trained my five children to aim small and shoot small to the head/neck and pelvic areas. It's the only way we've trained now. It has become instinctive. A miss becomes the chest shot.
That is true I tell people that in Home defense classes be prepared to fight someone that may have armor. In a shtf scenario I would expect everyone to be armored
Been waiting for a new video now I can watch on my lunch
Same lol
This makes my day
Outstanding! Great advice……
Being “cool” doesn’t win a gunfight!😎👍🏼🇺🇸
Amen! Great video. Much wisdom.
I have a shellback carrier with cheaper (heavy) rma lvl 4 plates with a placard that holds 3 rifle mags a multi tool and flash light. The cummerbund would also hold 8 mags if i wanted, I’m in the process putting together medical to go in the cummerbund. The idea of having medical on the front of my carrier never appealed to me as a lot of people are taught to aim center mass and i don’t want holes in my chest seals. As a “prepared citizen” it mostly just sits in the closet,i dry fire and wear it to the range sometimes. I set it up a few years back when i heard some politicians talking about banning lvl4 plates and had the same thought as you lol.
I've had no issues with shellback this is my third one. Rma is super heavy for thir cheaper 4 plates. Train in it however you can folks don't even bat an eye at it now with all the crossfitters running vests for workputs
@@unclefreedom213 over the winter i wore it under my coat when i take the dog for a walk lol. I never thought about dudes wearing vests for CrossFit training that’s a good point. I know the first time i wore it to the range i could definitely feel it going from prone/kneeling to standing lol it was rough.
Great video about plate carriers... would like to see your pick on top 5 plate carriers and maybe best bang for your buck
that would be fun for sure short list for me
Velocity Scarab
Ferro Slickster
Crye JPC 1.0
Shellback SF
Spiritus OVert
best for the money is the Slickster switch the cummerbund add a placard run it slick run a stretch cummerbund and it comfortable
I'll preface this by saying "I use poly/ceramic plates."
But for steel, I think they make sense in an environment where you might get hit 2-3 times over 6 years of living in Somalia.
There are 1 or 2 companies which have great spall protection coating. And there are kevlar bags for spall protection.
And you ask "do you need a Crocodile Dundee knife and 5 mags and ..." crap.
To answer that, there are guys with lots of combat experience who say "I never used more than 2 mags in a fight so all I carry is 4" and other guys who say "based on my combat experience I carry 9-13 mags because we USED that much."
I'm not here to argue anything other than, yes, I need a Crocodile Dundee knife. Back off. ;)
My only answer is "depends what you are doing." I don't have enough experience to say "THIS is the right answer for everyone in all situations and contexts."
True on all points I have shot the frag bags for steel and they do work quite well actually. I also agree it depends on what you're doing we had guys in the Army with 14 mags but of all my use and experience I've either had it figured out within 5 or had broken contact. If you have a dundee knife you have to say "that's a knife" in the proper accent everytime you draw it
Damnit! I'll have to work on my accent.
Great vid, great information. Thanks for posting up!
I've been on the fence between ceramic and steel. For SHTF type stuff where that will likely be the last set of plates you'll have access to, I'm leaning towards steel with frag bags. It's heavier and still has a spall risk. But they're generally more robust and durable longterm. I've seen guys damage ceramics just by dropping them.
My thinking goes more along the lines of your Somalia example. If I've found myself getting shot multiple times in one engagement, I've already made some terrible decisions that no plate will likely save me from. In that case, I'm probably not making it home either way. But being able to take a few rounds over several years could make a difference. Ceramic would definitely be better if switching them out if damaged was an option. I need to do more research into poly. I hadn't heard of it until fairly recently, but I guess it could be the best option. Though I'm guessing it's much more expensive.
@@ryanburns3921 in short, Poly let's green tip and 7N6 punch through. It may let other rounds punch through, I don't know. I suspect Chinese mild steel core would go through. There is work being done to make poly stand up to rounds will a little steel in them and my understanding is those efforts are successful and the plates are already being sold. For bigger bucks.
Another issue with poly plates is they break down over time. They are basically milk jug plastic and studies have found they lose bullet resistance when exposed to heat. This seems to be more of an issue for soft armor made of fibers and left in cars in the summer where it can get over 150F. I believe what I saw is that poly rifle armor is thick enough it does not absorb enough heat before nightfall to experience chemical changes and degraded performance.
I don't have a recommendation. Just a lot of information.
I went with a combo ceramic face over poly backer. It will be fine for a few hits in Somalia 2.0 but after that I'm going to look a lot like an Afgani whose been fighting the last 20 years with no armor at all.
Finally someone who says it; unless you have a need for it, don’t put it on. Big difference in needs between people in Military and LE and Civilian use. Being a commo guy I laughed at the ATAK part, so many people will buy a mount and case and just use it to hold their phone. What they don’t realize is the actual military version is meant to work with a radio compatible with it, and it’s cell services are disabled. If SHTF and you lost cell services, you’re screwed, better hope you know land nav.
It's right up there with the stuff I talked about in the DMR video. Oh, this youtuber has this widget. I have to have that widget.... no, I need two of them. I have seen guys use the juggernaut cases for recording shooting at the range which isn't a terrible idea but I've also seen a guy with it all setup who just had his old iPhone in it that didn't even work.
Great information, thank you!
God bless
Thanks!!
I’m about to go into Texas’ trooper academy and am wondering how long you had to be on the job before you could do what you do. Getting well trained and knowledgeable enough to teach future officers is really cool to me. I know different states are different, but they usually aren’t far off from one another.
It really depends dept to dept I was lucky I had a background teaching years before I became a cop. If it's what you're good at watch for openings let you command know you're interested and be good at your daily job of being a cop it'll fall into place as long as you take care of the little stuff
Damn. I am that guy with 16 mags, two knives (3 actually). Admin shit and stuff. I have to rethink my loadout 😂
Thanks unk great job sir im 6.3 and 260 ponds i thout i was in fairly good shape till ar 500 plates with 3 ar mags and 50 pound ruck sack all the Fla heat and humidity humidity. Turns out that shit sucks on 3 mile ruck. Lol.
truth it gets easier I spend most of my life in armor either hard or soft and some days just suck. When it's 100 degrees with high humidity and no wind and blazing sun it rough. I'm a Bama boy so you could say I'm conditioned
All of my Plate Carriers and Chest Rigs have 6 loaded rifle magazines and 2 loaded pistol magazines. My Carriers and Rigs are not for Running. They are made for working on my farm after SHTF. Of course they also have canteen, IFAK, food and com. Be safe my friends.
But you built your gear for you and your situation and for that I commend you
By your fitment guide i'm 14W x 14 or 15L, I guess I'm the exception. Then again I'm overweight. I could see the soft armor all around vest but not that huge of a hard plate. I've not seen anything but the standard size.
you would run a large plate 11x14 so when you search size large you may have to run an extended cummerbund which are available from most companies depending on how much tactical temp protection you have
If you're overweight, like me, keep in mind what he said in the video. Your vital organs are still the same size. If you're 6'2 and 200lbs, your vitals are the same size as someone that's 6'2 and 400lbs. A respiratory therapist explained to me that your skeletal size and vitals are proportional to height more than weight. As we get in better shape. That 11x14 will just fit better and better. Good luck.
Привет, чувак. Отличное видео. Всё грамотно объясняешь. Большущий респект тебе, здоровья и удачи! From Russia with love!
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My @$$hole puckered enough to change the barometric pressure in the room a couple times in watching this vid, as I had just ordered carriers and plates for my wife and I. Lol. But all ok. I rewatched and verified I had checked all the boxes presented. Whew! Good content.
I'm just glad the info is helping people in making better informed choices. Good on you for atmoring your wife and yourself
@unclefreedomvalleytacticsa7521 I too made the goofball mistake of getting steel. Rectifying that dumbf@ckery. But you present a great framework for the decision process that I will definitely apply to future purposes.
Again great info ty. Refuge medical has great USA made med kits. They have all types of kits from tiny to team kits ect. Owned by bear independent also great you tube creator
I've seen some of his kits but never ran one
I know it's off topic of the video, but I would like to hear your opinion on compensators on your duty weapon. I have a single top port only comp on a Sign P320. Haven't had it very long but no malfunctions in the first 250 rounds. We do not have any department policy against it.
Officer Meanie head a buddy of mine runs a comped g17 and he loves it as long as you continue with proper grip and fundamentals they can really benefit the shooter. I would just use caution and vet the hell out of the fact that it will run your duty and training ammo without issues
Thanks, that's the part I'm currently working on. Only about 250 rounds so far but I have a case of training ammo and plan to run about 100 rounds of my duty ammo.
Whats your thoughts on the shellback skirmish tactical plate carrier and the shellback rampage 2.0. Are either of these good?
Will be used for what if shtf. Train for what if. I'm older but would like to get, have something in case and as you said the tyrants at any time could say YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT!
I'm female 5' 10" 150lbs.
I've had good luck with the Shellback carriers as have some of my friends the Banshee is also good
@@unclefreedom213 thanks!
Amazing video👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
thank you
Whats your opinion on the Safelife defense Fras armor?
I think its a neat idea I would love to shoot some not the RUclips I shot it 50 times with a 9mm shoot it, I mean a practical engagement distance with real rounds it would encounter on a gel torso. I do like the idea and I've handled some and it was quite comfortable. Hey @safelife send your man something to shoot
I’m an ex nfl lineman (6’7 311lbs). What plate carrier would you suggest for my frame? Obviously 11x14 plates are a must lol
I still like carriers like the ferro concepts and velocity scarab just size it to you plates with your size you'll be able to move regardless
@@unclefreedom213 appreciate it brother
I don’t remember if u have mentioned it before brother are you on a srt or similar on your dept ?
short answer yes but that's as far as I'll go down that road as far as info goes I'm just a gear and tactics guy who loves to help others make informed decisions
Then you have the guys who bought “armor” from wish and run around with the same foam inserts in it thinking it makes them look like a door kicker
Oh yeah, I've seen that. My thought is you want to LARP go for it. I believe all citizens that can legally own gear and I don't mean their state says I mean, you don't have a felony or domestic charge." The states" shouldn't be able to violate the constitution. You should own gear and train at the highest level you can. You should own the best, most viable, and effective gear you can own. Essentially own the best gear you can, save up, dont go into debt and be a red blooded American protector of innocence
How do you get the funding to do these things? I'm literally looking for cheap airsoft stuff to carry my mags, canteen, bandages etc...
I work a lot my job is doing this stuff and I've been in the game for going on 22 years. It takes time nothing happens all at once
Some people are rich. Some people get issued gear.
Start with a chest rig and 3-5 mags and a rifle and IFAK. Get training. Build out as funds allow. But bullets, bandaids, and training are worth more than gear. Especially fancy gear. Get super basic stuff. Use the hell out of it
Get a Chicom chest rig, run recycled Gatorade bottles out of a Jansport or Swissgear backpack, run irons on your rifle, get a set of snap caps and run thousands of dry fires.
Get good with basic gear if you are not swimming in money.
These guys who think they are going to “CQB” if SHTF, are living in a fairytale world. There will likely be no need to clear a room or building unless a loved one is inside, otherwise, don’t do it
CQB is a very effective way to get dead when you didn't need to to die for sure