So you want to own a Deuce Part 8: Lets talk about engines!
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This is a brief and high level history of the engines used in the M35 series trucks. Remember I put out a new video every week and a new Deuce video every month. Welcome to my channel BC's Deuce and Guns.
The Hercules 478 CI was used in White 2 135 and 2 155 farm tractors, the 2 155 actually set records in the lug test, at the University of Nebraska
The conversion to M35A3 was a reflection of the changing force. Most the younger troops could not drive a manual transmission. Units were replacing transmission and clutches far too often to justify the keeping them.
On a summer trip to the army transportation museum in Virginia, I got to the Vietnam exhibit and saw the M35 as well as the M54... it was then it became a life long dream to own an M35 (haven't fulfilled that dream as of yet) but as a teenager that became my dream vehicle just an awesome simple rugged truck that could be bought somewhat cheap and no cdl required... thanks for sharing this video and all the other videos about your deuce... plus you cover just about anything anyone would need to know about buying one, what too look for, and the general up keep for a truck like this. Hope you are still driving this awesome truck!
I was in South Alabama were they grow peanuts. When they came out with the multi fuel engine. We joked that they were running them on peanut oil because they smoked so much!
Some of the early postal service airplanes ran on peanut or castor oil.
I know what you mean! What is remarkable is how smoke-free this truck is! She retired from the Delaware Army National Guard, Aviation Division, in 2003... The previous owners and I have been taking very good care of her!
What is interesting is that I have a 1968 M35A2C W/W - the "C' suffix indicating the truck is a "dropside". Mine came with a 'D' turbo which I changed over to a 'C' for the sounds affects. First time hearing the suffix standing for the type of turbo installed on the motor. Great video and very informative about the time periods of the truck variations.
I have a M35A3 , with the Cat diesel and Allison Auto . I purchased my ride with 8500 miles and about 400 hrs . It is a 1997 rebuild . It has been a fine ride . Both the A2 and A3 both have their issues . I removed the CTIS system on my A3 and installed 395's 47" tall VS 44" inches for the stock tires . The A3 has a Dual Circuit Brake system the A2 is a single circuit system , as we say , your basic two pumps and no brakes if you get a leak . BTW a M35A2c is a drop side cargo truck , It has NOTHING to do with the MULTI FUEL engine . The Deuce's are going up in price as they have been removed from military inventory for years . The M35A2 is more common that the A3 as only about 6000 A2's were rebuilt into A3's .If someone think they might want a MV I would recommend the "Steel Soldiers" website and also the MVPA , Military Vehicle Preservation Association , MV's are LOTS of FUN and drive the CAR guys NUTS at a car show . LOL
I'd want the CAT over any of the others. I prefer a manual gearbox, but the CAT is just a toughass motor all the way. Nice!
The Military went to Allison Trans because so few people know how to drive stick anymore . BTW , love the Cat engine and it has not given me a lick of trouble !
I might be a little insane but I love the whistler on long distance.
Steve you are correct. The 465-1c engine has the whistler turbo, the 465-1d is the updated non-whistler turbo. And there actually exists a 465-2 engine that will fit in a Deuce that puts out around 210 hp.
I remember hearing that back in the day they actually used to offer a can warmer you could put on the exhaust to heat up a can of beans or soup or whatever was on hand
We just dropped C-rats down the exhaust.
Good information, especially for someone in the market for a truck. Thanks!
Also one thing you might add about the M35A2 is that you can pop-start it by letting it roll down the driveway for a few feet and you cannot do this with the Cat powered trucks. I think it was a serious mistake to do away with the multifuel engine because of its battlefield contingency allowing it to use other fuels instead of just diesel. If things ever get really bad I am sure the military will wish they had their old standard transmissions back along with the multifuel engine.
They dropped the multi fuel for a variety of reasons, the military went to a single fuel. As other fuels became less common as the non diesels were coded out over time, there was need for it. Also the multi fuels would have to have an oil change after using certain other fuels. Performance on some fuels was so lack luster it really wasn't worth the effort.
The British had a multifuel tank, the Challenger, that didn;'t work 65% of the time because it was multifuel. The Abrams works because it is a turbine.
Nøderak Russians as well the T-80U but cost like 4 times more than the V-12 and eventually the performance of the V-12 improved to the point their were no benefits of the Turbine besides it's ability for multiple fuels but Diesel is the most common. South Korea has a few T-80U that the Soviet Union gave as a way to pay their debt lol meanwhile NK is still rolling old t-54
great vid, but wow if your wearing head phones watching this the bugs sounded like they were in the room pretty freaky i looked around and thought they were on my head hahaha.
Don't forget to latch the hood! One of my guys got hurt in the field
from the wind blowing the hood down on him. Wow, yours has a heater!
I did a video on that! ruclips.net/video/Yz_OOgY6hws/видео.html
Thanks again BC! Always look forward to your deuce vids.
Big time, can’t wait !,,,, more please.
Always enjoy your Deuce and a half vids, I have a 1970 non-turbo model!
I was going to stuff a multi-fuel engine in my red REO (pronounced "Ree-O, for you younger guys who don't remember back that far.) but the weight factor and general availability has purty much zero'd that idea. Maybe I'll just have to spring for an authentic M35-A2 and keep red for going to the city. I could drive the deuce with the top down and enjoy the experience of wheeling a 6.5 ton, 5-speed roadster!
damn that is one flimsy hood. That aside I can't see owning one of these if it didnt have that awesome whistle. Thanks for another great video
Thanks for the info and the tour of the engine bay
30 years later and I find out I am not the only person who was disappointed when returning from Germany and no whistle sound when I saw a deuce. 😆 That was how I identified what truck was coming in without looking. Our 5 ton trucks didn't make that sound (M818).
As for the extremely loud whistling sound those turbos make I knew of one (a propane truck) you could hear almost a mile away, over water and through a lot of trees. Sitting up on the deck of that house, we couldn't figure out WHAT it was! Now I know better...LOL
Just wanted to mention....the truck maker Reo is pronounced as one word...Ree-Oh. It's not the same as the 70s band that took their name from the truck the Reo Speedwagon. The band may have listed their name sometimes as R.E.O, but the truck company never did that.
This is why I like my 5 tons...don't get me wrong deuces have their place. Bigger trucks, bigger motors.
Sounds like I'm going to have to drive a bit to get a good Duece at a good price. The one I want is in Oregon and would take 4 days and about $1600 in fuel to get it home to East TN.
The old cats are SWEET now though! Nice truck.
Hey, thanks for that M923/925 info. I have found a like new M925 on ebay with only 2k org. miles on it located in FL, but it is over $10k now. I'm sure it is worth it, it looks flawless. I'm leaning toward a Deuce that has 7k org. miles on it, but it is in OR. and would be a long 4+ day ride and about $1600 in fuel to get it home. It's in great shape too!
Locking hubs on the front axle is the first improvement I would perform
Love the vids... Keep up the good work
Great videos i am 14 buying my Duece with all my saved money M35A2 inspired by you. Thank you
great vid , very imformative
NostalgiaCritic for Deuces!
*Very important!*
A deuce is NOT for everyone! You must do your research. And I don't mean only on the deuce in general. Before looking at a deuce to own, ask for its service history. If it has been in service for more than 15 years without a full engine rebuild, don't buy it. I have heard on SteelSoldiers.com (mil truck forum) about a man who was driving down a highway and suddenly *bang* goes a cylinder, flying through the air! Like everything mil spec, it is driven to near destruction. A rebuild is absolutely necessary.
Another great video my man. I really hope to have one someday. Hopefully within the next year.
INTERESTING. Quite basic. Heard about the Studebaker's from my Greatest Generation Elder's when they talked. Always wanted one, and am discovering alot more than I thought I would. THANKS.
Hey brother, thanks for the reply! I am leaning towards the deuce for the similar reasons you like it...the multifuel engine. I never considered burning use motor oil in it! I wanted a military hummer until I saw the price on them and good M715's and M37's have gotten expensive and hard to find, hence the deuce or 5 ton truck, which are still a great value. If I ever get mine...I'll message you and we can hit the Smokey's.
Great lesson on powering a great truck! If I recall correctly, the one I drove was a 1967 Kaiser diesel only naturally aspirated. ded
That’s what I have, bought it this summer from Boyce Equipment out of Ogden , Utah. There awesome people.. I also drove a Studebaker for a bit but they finally had to let her go in Fort Hood.
Great video very informational I have been looking to get into deuce and a half's and I also live in Tennessee I love your videos
NOW I have to Own one SIR!
Great videos BC
But you're wrong about your info. See Below:
>M35a2C- The "C"- designated drop side bed.
>The Letter "T" in LDT designates that the engine has a turbo.
>The "LD" = Liquid-cooled Diesel
>An LDT-465-1C vs LDT-465-1D has nothing to do with turbos. In this portion of the engine code (C vs D) it designates differences in internal improvements such has changes to the engine block or piston or head gaskets.
Yes there is a C and D Turbo, but it's not indicated on any data plates.
Gotta love misinformation and internet rumor that becomes "truth"
Wrong, the 465 will NEVER make over 145 HP. Keep dreaming. 1D had changes to head gaskets and head castings.
Thanks for the great information.
Great work. I love to hear about the deuce and a half. I hope you don't mind me contacting you more often mine should be here in 2 weeks. And I will have a lot of questions. I've been trying to find a manual and more information to read about my deuce and a half. I've been on eBay a lot. Thanks keep up the great work
Any problems yet?
No problems yet. Thanks for asking it's sitting in the driveway. Now I'm dealing with California laws on trying to get it registered street legal and that is a pain
More videos!
GOD bless you Sir
Perkins all fuel will run just as good backward as forward💯 been there done that. We also had one with a 250 Cummins in it
I enjoyed the video. Very nice Deuce.
I still consider the Deuce half one the best military trucks every the hummer does not hold a candle to them or the older liberty trucks my late friend Harold Lamay had lot military trucks in his private collection
gas is only recommended if you add at least one quart of oil per 15 gallons of gas. diesel is better for the deuce. Automatic transmission fluid works very well. Diesel motors need lubrication, gas doesn't provide it hence having to add oil. hope that helps you.
The only Cummins diesel engine that would come closest to matching the size and power of the LDT465 would be the 6BT5.9. It produces 160 hp and 400 lb/ft of torque as opposed to the LDT's 135 hp and 330 lb/ft of torque, but the jury's out on which 6BT turbocharger (made by Holset) would provide the same beastly whistling of the Schwitzer 3LJ319 used in the LDT465-1C.
The Holset HE351VE or HE351CW depending on if you want VGT or not. Those things whistle so damn loud. Basically any holset. He HX35 is pretty quite though.
good review
Just watched your Deuce engine video. Since my 1966 deuce has a multifuel engine could we use the old engine oil as fuel, perhaps mix with diesel to burn it as fuel and get rid of the old oil? I like all of your Deuce videos. they help me get a good overview of the truck. Thanks BC!
What are your plans for the next video????? how about talking about the operating costs to having one
I'm in southern ky. I'd love to see your deuce in person!
6:46 The roads looked like you were in TN...I guessed correct!
love this truck ! thanks for sharing .
I would love to buy one of these(Found one in Alberta for $4500 but didn't have the cash) But, I don't think I would keep the original engine(Even though multi-fuel is great). It would probably end up with some sort of other higher output diesel, most likely a 7.3 PowerStroke, 12V Cummins or 6.6 Duramax, I would prefer the Duramax and Allison conversion but the electronics can be difficult.
Cody6210 put a 12v71 Detroit diesel engine and a manual transmission
you could get a m818 which is the basically the same truck but they have the cummins
M35's weren't the first "Deuce-and a -Half's". What about the WW-2 2-1/2-tons? Mostly G.M.C. CCKW's,(Powered by 270 cubic-inch G.M.C engines). The Studebaker US-6's,were powered by Hercules,and some retro-fitted to 3,or 4-cylinder G.M.,(later Detroit) Diesels,for the "Korean Conflict". Most of the Studebaker US6's were used on the "Eastern Front",in WW-2,and some are still up and running,in Alaska. Many vid's here on "RUclips".
Will the LDT engine work with an allison transmission conversion to have the best of both? Multifuel and automatic?
Great video BC but I have a tid bit you may want to add the M35A3 only used the Catipillar 3116 Diesels from 1994 until 1999. After 1999 they started putting in the LD/LDT 465-1c multifuel engines in the M35A3. Not sure the site or sites you got your information from but thought you might like to know. Hope to see more vehicle videos like this or maybe if possible on the M939 5-ton trucks?
My information came from the military's technical manuals and personal experience but I'd like to see the source of your information. Other than some of the A3 shopvans those c-code engines were phased out in the 80's and replaced with the d-code engines in many of the M35a2 trucks (including mine). Later, those same M35A2s were refurbished into the A3 with the auto transmissions and cat engines. The last year for the M35A3's manufacture was 1999 and then the military started replacing them with much more modern trucks such as the M1083 and MK23. Thanks for watching and I wish I had access to a 5-ton but as of right now I have no plans to get one.
***** Besides some articles and wikipedia ( not reliable I know) It was a conversation with my friend in the Army now and I spoke with him again and he was talking about the M109A3 Shopvans not the M35 I was wrong.What he was talking about is that it isn't strictly with in regs but some of their shop vans would get shot up and they would remove the shop box and put a bed off a an M35 on the chassis and when brought back state side a shop box would be put back on. I wasn't doubting your sources just wondering how new they were.
The first series Reo truck, was equiped with the gasline engine REO OA 331 The truck was manufacturde by REO , Studebaker, Kaiser Jeep ,Curtiis Wright . Secon d series Hercules multifuel engine . third series Cummins engine .Never the US Army has a truck as the REO 2/1/2 ton
How difficult are parts to find for these?
I'm a mechanic recently retired from the Army. Does that Deuce have a White, Continental, or Hercules engine? I don't have to "read" anything to ask that.
Mike Toole It's got one of the later Hercules engines in the D configuration including the quieter 3LM39 turbo. The engine tag shows a mid 80's build date. My cheat sheet there was for the dates and power numbers. I work with numbers 50hrs a week and was a former math teacher so I've got way too many numbers rattling around in my head to keep things straight while on camera.
White used the 478 CI in the 2 135 2 155 farm tractors,the 2 155 actually set records during the lug test at Nebraska
cool vid, i have an a2, and a 1959 gasser reo with the oa331 gas engine=it always gets questions like you ruined it by putting a stovebolt in it, they dont realize that the m35/34 series was originally a gas engined truck
Really fun when they top out at about 45mph...........
I love the vids. Had to subscribe since you are a fellow Tennessean. I hope to do some cruising in the Smokey's. Do you have any info on the M923/925 series 5 ton trucks, I have been looking at getting one since they are not very expensive to buy, or do you recommend the older deuce over them? I also want to know your opinion on normal aspirated versus turbo engines.
Question. I have seen deuces for sale with duel axles with the two wheels, and I have seen deuces with duel axels with single wheels. Which set up is better, and are there any advantages to one or the other? Very nice videos! I plan on purchasing a deuce in the next year or two and was looking for information on them! These 8 videos answered a lot of my questions and gave me more knowledge of what to look for when purchasing a deuce!
When the military upgraded to the A3 version of the M35 trucks they swapped in much larger and more modern tires and at the same time dropped down to singles some call this the super single. The A3 6x6 set up is much more capable in slippery conditions vs. the M35A2 but that's mostly due to the modern tread on the tires. Some M35A2 Deuce owners will swap out the rims and tires with larger and more modern versions making the swap to the super singles necessary in order to fit the much larger tires under the bed. If I were a huge off road/rock crawler type I'd go for the super single set up but personally I prefer the classic look of the ndt tires.
Daniel Zeman duels tend to have a higher weight capacity and better handling under a load (trailer sway) singles tend to have better mpg, increased mobility (tighter turn radius) and typically better off road performance
First of all, I think you will find the 9x20 tires are still plentiful and far less expensive. Difficulties in changing split ring rims for the 9x20 dual tires is what leads many people to shy away and to prefer the more expensive super singles and that is more a matter of rim type, rather than tires. I will say that changing split ring tires can be problematic but with care and some common sense it can be done even at home but because of the hazards involved it is becoming a lost art. Singles, on the other hand, are most often found on rims that can be bolted together, making tire maintenance (and installation of a run-flat bead locker) and even airing down a tire far easier. However, there is one undeniable benefit realized from running on duals and that is, if you lose inflation on one tire you have a second tire right next to it to drive on. Finally, the archetypical non-directional military is designed for off-road use. Considerations for use on improved roads take a back seat on these tires. They are less safe on wet roads than super singles because, despite that classic military tread pattern that everybody loves, that part of the tire that rides on the pavement is essentially a slick, without sipes to channel water away from what little rubber surface area that is in contact with the road. There are may pros and cons to be considered and much of this will come down to what you are going to be doing with your truck and your skill level and how large your pocket book is.
How can I tell a C engine apart from a D engine? Thanx
I used to own a 1958 GMC duice. She was a beast with her 302 inline 6, I regret selling her often. Now thinking about another one but newer, I like the idea of the cat motor but what auto trans did they use?
Hi there, I have watched all your Deuce and a Half videos. Thanks for posting something like this! This was my dream truck when I grew up watching these military trucks on movies. lol I was wondering what kind of fuel do you mornally use? And, what mpg do you get? I've noticed that she has a pretty large fuel tank and considering the weight and the size of this truck.. I was guessing 3 ~ 4 miles per gallon?
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Hi im thinking about buying one but would like to know what the maintnance costs are and where do you get the oil and fuel filters, how often do you change the oil and fuel filters ect. Thanks
cjmotorsified, you can get all of the filters at your local Napa auto parts store. Reasonable prices also.
8:18 i feel changing these filters will cause always some oil around the engine....sucks
I’m gonna have to get one of those
I thought older diesels were supercharged. Why is that image, old diesels with superchargers, stuck in my head?
B.c thanks for the info and enjoy the videos you do a great job. I have two other questions. One is you talked about that you had to carry tools with you while you drive short trips in the deuce I was wondering what are the things that would go wrong with the deuce that you need the tools for? The second one is I was thinking that I could use the deuce like a daily driver. Is it possible to do so?
Robert Rendla Even though the Deuce is the Rambo of pickups it's wise to also remember that they're old vehicles that spent most of their life being driven by G.I. that couldn't have cared less about them. For around town it's good to have a set of SAE wrenches, screwdrivers, duct tape, and plumbers tape in case you need to patch an air line (no air pressure = no brakes). I need to do a video on the idea of using a Deuce as a daily driver because I get asked this question often. Is it possible? Yes. It'll take twice as long to get anywhere and you'll smell like engine oil after 5 miles, fuel cost will be pretty high, no AC and the firewall will transmits engine heat into the cab, and it's super loud. Drive a lawn mower on all your trips under 5 miles and every where else you go drive there back home then there again for a few months then you'll know about what it's like. The truck can do it but I'm pretty sure I can't. I've got a 40 mile commute and it was 97 degrees F today with 80% humidity.
@@deuceandguns thank you B.C. I’m a fan of yours. Yes I try using my Bobbed Deuce almost as a daily driver pretty much. So that’s my concern also. I’ve been filling up my box below the driver but am getting a box soon,
For in the back of the truck so that I can even lock up with a few emergency parts & Tools, materials, glues, oils, great, ect,,.
I ‘m in a rugged mountain part of WV.
& use on the freeways, highways and Off road areas a bit. I want to get a couple of High Lift jacks maybe , thought they may come in handy. So if you can do some sort of Prep Video for us that would be Super Great ! Even if you don’t use all the stuff yourself but what a person may or could use in tough situations. Self reliance is great.
Thanks B.C.
Next one should be multi fuels...
holy crap that's hot lol. cracked me up.. be carefull with them dang hot oil caps. hehe..
lol, I know, right? that's like the second or third video he jumped like that
+rodney perry I also burn my mouth every time I get pizza...I never learn. :)
***** I guess we all have our quirks, lol
How common are the A2s? I want a multifuel engine, not just as a bug out vehicle, but as a way to save on fuel costs, since it'll run on used motor oil, and I could probably get that for free.
Tnx for the video Very educational
Bc what about the brakes on these I've looked all over for info on them an there not a lot of info out there on them like how they work or how to blead the system
To get a video on this would be good, it take a couple of guys to do it though.
so happy
I've seen some of the M35A2's powered by a Cummins 6BT 5.9L turbocharged non-intercooled diesel engine.... But, can it be upgraded with an intercooler if it has a turbocharger?
John Orven Tano ya
Why wouldn't you be able to? Just make your own piping. You may however want to figure out a way to put a slight amount more fuel into the motor since your air will be denser going into motor.
Hey BC. I have a M35A2 I just got another motor put in it. Can you tell me where/what that rubber hose on the bottom of the turbo goes to?
I would like a video about the tires. I have seen some M934's and possibly M810's with different types of tires. Could you please explain? thanks
Hey man, I am looking at an A3 I found with 9000 miles. The guy wants $7500. I looked at it and it seems nice. The owner said it was his father's who recently passed. Would you jump on this deal? Also, you said you are in Tennessee. Are you in western tn? It wound be awesome to find some fellow deuces to cruise around with.
How much did you pay for yours? I've seen them range 8-20grand and it seems like yours is in very good shape
the engine is basically a big cam 300 Cummings right even the fuel filter location looks like a Cummings ?
Love the videos, where is a good place to pick up a duece
Love inline 6.
I own and m35a2 too that I've recently started driving as a daily driver what part of Tennessee are you in I live in Muscle Shoals Alabama
what part of Tennessee are you in?
Hi , This might be a dumb question but , I have heard that you can turn your fuel pressure up very so slightly and give it a little more power . What do you recommend ... leave it alone or make an adjustment ? I have a M35A2C. Thank You ...
You've heard correctly. The fuel pressure can be increased to increase power but even the slightest bump in fuel pressure can be catastrophic to the engine in regards to burning a hole through a cylinder. If you really want to do it install temp sensors in the intake and exhaust manifolds to monitor what's going on and verify you're not destroying the engine. I personally wouldn't do it because it's not going to add much power at all and any real power gains can only be found with an engine swap. I've heard that some Deuces were set with lower pressure so if you're having trouble maintaining 45-50mph in 5th on level ground then I'd open up the TMs and verify that the fuel pressure is set to stock.
I want one of these trucks so bad but I don't think the HOA would appreciate it
What fuel type do you use? I'd there any benefits for using gasoline over diesel or vice versa?
I want either an M-35A2C, M-35A2D, or M-35A3. I want a Snorkel though
I want a Multifuel like yours so M-35A2D or C is my choice
never use ether that stuff kills engines it's like putting concrete in ur cylinders there are much safer ways to help start diesels
I like your videos in general, but this one is not correct. The C in M35A2C designates a drop side bed, not which turbocharger it has. There is also no such thing as a M35A2D. The lettering in the engine designation may be the turbocharger. As in LDT-465-1C, but I am not sure.
hey I put diesel \ Fuel mix in are truck and it was having trouble turning over help!
Hi im a new subscriber I've seen up to video 8 on the Deuce and a half my question for you are the Whistler engines intercooled if not can they be
Thanks for watching and subscribing! None if the multi-fuel engines in the M35 series military trucks were equipped with an intercooler and some didn't even have a turbo but it is possible to add one. It's been done a few times but there is no kit available so it'd be a custom job. Also, those who have done them have stated that there is not a big change in performance even when increasing the fuel pressure above what could be done sans intercooler. Good question!
You live in Tennessee I do too I look foreword to your duece videos I live near Nash what city do u live in you don't have to answer me if you don't want to
So what's the gearing in the deuce