Great interview. I could listen all day to Tony speaking about Genesis! I always love his friendly little digs at Phil's size 😂 Seems he slips one in in every interview I hear him do (at the very end in this one) 😅😅
And I've met Phil and shook his hand and had a jacket signed, lovely geez. And I was intimidated by Tony's intelligence. Now, I'd love to met him and have a long chinny! Cool, cool dude
I like that tiny detail from Tony's career, showing his endearing naivety as a young artist. During Genesis' first US tour a band bus stopped at a rugged highway bar full of truckers and rough motorbike men. Tony... hoped to get his customary English cup of tea. Of course he never got one and was lucky to escape unharmed from that really no-go place (at least for a well-mannered Englishman).
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I think tony is spot on with his idea that you continue to have a soft spot for the music that was big in your life at the age of 11 or 12. I was very lucky that genesis' current stuff when i was that age was 'live' and 'selling England' so thats the genesis i continue to respect and love and any other music they made that resembled this version ( trick of the tail and much of wind + wuthering and also voyage of the acolyte ) held me too. I saw the Lamb live at the age of 13 and it was obvious there were difficulties. RUclips has rekindled this respect as its now miraculously possible to hear virtually every live show of this era and hear the music develop. Remember in the 70s for a kid there was only the album and maybe one piece in melody maker a year plus live reviews. It was all such a mystery so you had to 'make your own fun' with your own 12 string guitar and drum kit! Thanks for a great interview and thanks to tony for his openness and generosity.
While there may be something to that, this is also the guy who says at the end "I don't know why people do the things they do". If you look at youtube there is regularly a resurgence of interest in progressive rock and early genesis. I more agree with Steve Hackett, they had five young guys who were producing music at a time when music was SO important they were total and complete asshats to one another, their wives and girlfriends, even their children and even SICK children. Say what you want, but thats 'dedication'. And that kind of thing is obvious in progressive rock, from Deep Purple to Yes. In Genesis its a bit more interesting because they had no 'natural' leader the way Yes did with Jon Anderson or Ritchie Blackmore in DP. They did later with Tony, but the songwriters were always duking it out. I wouldnt say that was the best way to produce music, but the music speaks for itself. There is a youtube with concert screw up outtakes, one of which is Domino where the keyboard cuts out, and you see just how boring the rest of the music is. Compare that to Battle with Epping Forest where every instrument is doing a Captain Beefheart and playing its own individual line, while also merging and diverging with other instruments at various places. Yeah, it would kind of suck to be IN a band and have people ONLY talk about your stuff in the band and not your solo stuff, but its still better than the alternative. I love Strawbs as much as Genesis, musically, but none had big success and they are pretty marginally remembered.
I found myself wishing this hadn't been quite so edited, as the deeper and more anecdotal Tony waxes, the better. I don't want to miss anything the Genesis guys are willing to tell us.
I agree, there's a bit of ignorance with fans that only go on Facebook pages and comment on him being a bad guy (and not smiling in photos as if they should look like The Osmonds). He's very English and introverted and that's often taken the wrong way, so he's not "gonna blow smoke up people's asses" but you can tell he really respects the quality Steve added by watching these longer interviews.
I rejected (I refused even to listen it) to Calling All Stations and now I 've discovered it is one of the best album of the "pop period" at the same level of Duke (maybe even better).,,,great majestic keyboards from Tony and great vocals from Ray Wilson.
Grew up in what I call the “House of Collins” and even though we had CAS, I followed the pack and isolated that album. My father didn’t even have any of the Gabriel albums at this point, so I was able to fully integrate those into the household when I got older. I eventually came around to CAS and appreciated a few tracks tremendously. The band will probably always be divided into multiple camps, but I hope their legacy lives on in the future. We’re all here because we love the music. Whether that be ‘That’s Me’, ‘Riding the Scree’, ‘Los Endos’, ‘Invisible Touch’, or , The Dividing Line’.
Tony admittedly treated Steve as 2nd rate member of Genesis... he stifled a LOT of Steve's songwriting ambitions, until Steve had to do what he did - and why turn back? It would be nice, agreed but its probably a burned bridge at this point.
@@KeithSchwartz-g2j All true but after all these years I can confidently say that as great a guitarist as Steve as, he was never in the same songwriting league as Tony, or Peter, or Mike. To this day he is still complaining about it and he reminds me a bit of Harrison and his gripes with Lennon&McCartney, futile. After a nearly 40-year solo career and over 20 albums, he is out there playing Tony's music because that gets bums on seat.
Apart from the arsehole fans who criticise the post Gabriel , the post Hackett and post Collins albums . That lot actually never wanted the band to progress .
@@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES Damn - hope it will surface one day. I definitely would be interested to hear him in the same intimate style as we see Tony in here.
My favourite group until Seconds Out. If people love Genesis and want more music in a similar vein give the band IQ a listen, try the albums Dark Matter or Road of Bones.
God the whole prog to MTV thing infuriates me, the Pete era vs Phil era. Its what would've happened if The Beatles or many other 60s groups had carried on through the 70s and onwards. They wouldn't have remained mop-tops, or Walruses, they would have mirrored or led the times, as they grew up. And Genesis, have remained throughout these guys lives, as they grew up and changed. Its almost a dead end discussion. Why would creative people continue to keep remaking things they did in their 20s in their 40s?! Look how its worked for the stones.. dull as dishwater and haven't done a truly, truly, interesting album since Sticky Fingers over 50 years ago. Its so nice to be able to say, today i feel like hearing some Genesis, my mood is Nursery Cryme, or tomorrow I feel like Abacab.
As much criticism as …and then there were three gets, that was the blueprint of what was to come as it still contains those progressive elements i.e undertow, burning rope, the lady lies. Idk… they never really lost the progressive side, just crafted it better into pop songs than the contemporaries.
I guess the thing with the ATTW3 record is that it appears to be slightly overlooked in the discography by the guys themselves. Even FYFM which was their biggest hit at that point was not played on the Abacab tour, only to be added on the 82 leg of that tour. And then only played on select nights on the Mama and IT tour. If you look at Archives #2 which represents the Collins years, ATTW3 is the only record that has 3 songs represented with live recordings. Simply because none of that material actually was released live, with the exception of FYFM on 3SL. Have to say that personally I don't like the sound of the record that much. I preferred that material live much better.
Maybe you should investigate speeding up your brain. Shapiro I can understand he operates at x1.75 on a normal day. But if you can't grasp what Tony's saying at any point in this interview at standard speed, you may have a diction-based auditory barrier that could very well end up with you being injured by a car at a stoplight. Look into it, seriously.
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It’s cut for a very good reason. It was originally blocked by a copyright strike as this interview was filmed for the documentary Sum of the Parts. I cut all the sections used for the documentary and uploaded it again. If you want to see the cut bits check out the doc.
Lots of people lament the leaving of Steve however, personally I think if we are to look at Steve's output after Genesis then Genesis would not have evolved to where they did. Steve stayed in the real prog rock, prog rock vein whereas Genesis left that which in my opinion led to the betterment and obvious longevity of the band. I've seen Steve many times in concert and his music is great but had he stayed in Genesis I'm not sure they would have gone where they needed to go. Steve was just a bit old fashioned.
But, to be honest....at the time of Cured(Steve Hackett) vs Abacab(Genesis), I prefer Abacab. I love the previous albums before Cured. The one of the Doll in Japan was interesting. But i think, one moment that would be good for Genesis the returning of Steve Hackett was 1997. But at that time, Genesis was Tony Banks and Mike Rutherford. And they were used to work the two of them...plus Phil Collins, but he was not there anymore. Steve Hackett was closer musically to Tony Banks. But from group dynamics....is normal that Tony(the lead instrument) needed Mike(an ally, a bassist and a rhythm guitarist, and someone who complements him but is not a soloist) and Phil(who was the singer, a great singer, and a great drummer), and no need someone else (Peter was both an ally and an "enemy", he was very close to Tony , but they were creative rivals).
If Tony and Mike reform the band with Steve Hackett and Chester Thompson (as full member) would be great. And the band creating expansive moods with big guitar solos. Ray Wilson was a good choice for singing.
@@gabbleratchet1890 The guitar work sounds fine on those albums. Duke is one of my favorite Genesis albums. But the guitar sounds like the vocal work Phil did after Peter left-like they’re trying to fill an important void with something close to the real thing. The compositional choices, richness in tone and use of vibrato are just not there. It would be like replacing David Gilmour in Pink Floyd. Nobody could do it, but there’s no ignoring the importance of that sound.
These interviews are great, but I do wish you would prepare properly... every question starts with: err, so, um, what do you think about, err, well you know, pause, pause, err, umm... its painful to listen at times!
In my defence , this was not intended to be shown “raw” in this way. It was filmed for the 2014 Genesis documentary. Intended to be edited in short bites. In the doc you never hear my questions. The filming is unhurried in. A chat . Tony was relaxed in this setting - actually at his home. The best stuff usually comes from that kind of set up.
Genesis had to change. If they stuck with prog to satisfy the few, they would have been far less successful. All the big groups changed...even Queen. Well done Collins and the guys for moving more mainstream
I love Tony, but hearing him say “for Mike and I” makes me want to scream. You went to Charterhouse. Did they not teach you that you don’t use “I” as the object of a preposition, Tony?
Met him in ‘07 and couldn’t get over how down to earth he really was. Especially answering questions from a nobody like me.
Nobody is a nobody.
If Tony had online songwriting classes, I would literally give all my money to attend. What a legend
And thank you Mr. Edginton for all of your excellent videos on the band which is probably the best of all time.
No Tony Banks... No Genesis! This man is a Hero
John, you’re the gift that keeps on giving. Thanks a lot.
My pleasure!
Great interview. I could listen all day to Tony speaking about Genesis!
I always love his friendly little digs at Phil's size 😂 Seems he slips one in in every interview I hear him do (at the very end in this one) 😅😅
Thanks.Glad you enjoyed it!
And I've met Phil and shook his hand and had a jacket signed, lovely geez. And I was intimidated by Tony's intelligence. Now, I'd love to met him and have a long chinny! Cool, cool dude
Meeting the men from Genesis would star strike me. no other famous people would, except them.
I met him in a restaurant in Perth. Lovely guy
Phil. Not Banks
I don't like Tony Banks
@@jipangoo😂your name should be jinga poo 💩 you are out of your mind insane
I thought he said no jacket required😁
I like that tiny detail from Tony's career, showing his endearing naivety as a young artist. During Genesis' first US tour a band bus stopped at a rugged highway bar full of truckers and rough motorbike men. Tony... hoped to get his customary English cup of tea. Of course he never got one and was lucky to escape unharmed from that really no-go place (at least for a well-mannered Englishman).
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my hero who writes my favorite songs.
Great work John. These interviews on your channel are absolutely fascinating. Many thanks.
Hi Steve. Thank you so much for your support and appreciation! Very helpful indeed to me. I’m humbled by your words.
What a truly humble man
I think tony is spot on with his idea that you continue to have a soft spot for the music that was big in your life at the age of 11 or 12. I was very lucky that genesis' current stuff when i was that age was 'live' and 'selling England' so thats the genesis i continue to respect and love and any other music they made that resembled this version ( trick of the tail and much of wind + wuthering and also voyage of the acolyte ) held me too. I saw the Lamb live at the age of 13 and it was obvious there were difficulties.
RUclips has rekindled this respect as its now miraculously possible to hear virtually every live show of this era and hear the music develop. Remember in the 70s for a kid there was only the album and maybe one piece in melody maker a year plus live reviews. It was all such a mystery so you had to 'make your own fun' with your own 12 string guitar and drum kit!
Thanks for a great interview and thanks to tony for his openness and generosity.
While there may be something to that, this is also the guy who says at the end "I don't know why people do the things they do". If you look at youtube there is regularly a resurgence of interest in progressive rock and early genesis. I more agree with Steve Hackett, they had five young guys who were producing music at a time when music was SO important they were total and complete asshats to one another, their wives and girlfriends, even their children and even SICK children.
Say what you want, but thats 'dedication'. And that kind of thing is obvious in progressive rock, from Deep Purple to Yes. In Genesis its a bit more interesting because they had no 'natural' leader the way Yes did with Jon Anderson or Ritchie Blackmore in DP. They did later with Tony, but the songwriters were always duking it out.
I wouldnt say that was the best way to produce music, but the music speaks for itself. There is a youtube with concert screw up outtakes, one of which is Domino where the keyboard cuts out, and you see just how boring the rest of the music is. Compare that to Battle with Epping Forest where every instrument is doing a Captain Beefheart and playing its own individual line, while also merging and diverging with other instruments at various places.
Yeah, it would kind of suck to be IN a band and have people ONLY talk about your stuff in the band and not your solo stuff, but its still better than the alternative. I love Strawbs as much as Genesis, musically, but none had big success and they are pretty marginally remembered.
Wind and Wuthering!!! The Last Great Record!!!!❤
Brilliant stuff, John. I could listen to Tony talk for hours and hours. Cheers!
Thankssss for all compositions songs mr tony banks :❤❤❤❤😊
I found myself wishing this hadn't been quite so edited, as the deeper and more anecdotal Tony waxes, the better. I don't want to miss anything the Genesis guys are willing to tell us.
You’re lucky to have this at all. Blocked by a copyright strike. Hence the cuts.
Thank you again John
You are da man John!!! As always this just is flippin great.
What a fantastic video have a wonderful weekend John also happy first weekend of summer ❤❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊😊
Thanks!
Your generosity is very welcome and truly helps me to dive back into those tapes and dig out more gold !
Incredible interview. John asked the perfect questions that got Tony to share a number of key stories. A very insightful video!
Thank you so much!
Thanks
Thank you so much !!
Tony Banks: the true MVP of Genesis
Best interview i've seen with Tony Banks. Often get the impression he's kind of the bad guy, especially with Steve Hackett. Great watch.
I agree, there's a bit of ignorance with fans that only go on Facebook pages and comment on him being a bad guy (and not smiling in photos as if they should look like The Osmonds). He's very English and introverted and that's often taken the wrong way, so he's not "gonna blow smoke up people's asses" but you can tell he really respects the quality Steve added by watching these longer interviews.
Honesty and intelligence can confuse and turn a lot of people off. Tony seems like a good guy, maybe a bit stiff, but so what.
Yes, in the media people easily confuse "straightforward" with "mean"
There are probably more instances of him being self-critical than anything else
Tony admittedly treated Steve as 2nd rate member of Genesis... he stifled a LOT of Steve's songwriting ambitions, until Steve had to do what he did.
The cage is phenomenal , Genesis with all live versions upgrade tremendously . This was originally a live band !
I rejected (I refused even to listen it) to Calling All Stations and now I 've discovered it is one of the best album of the "pop period" at the same level of Duke (maybe even better).,,,great majestic keyboards from Tony and great vocals from Ray Wilson.
Grew up in what I call the “House of Collins” and even though we had CAS, I followed the pack and isolated that album. My father didn’t even have any of the Gabriel albums at this point, so I was able to fully integrate those into the household when I got older. I eventually came around to CAS and appreciated a few tracks tremendously. The band will probably always be divided into multiple camps, but I hope their legacy lives on in the future. We’re all here because we love the music. Whether that be ‘That’s Me’, ‘Riding the Scree’, ‘Los Endos’, ‘Invisible Touch’, or , The Dividing Line’.
Interesting 💕🎶✌️
Tony and Steve were so good together they should have joined up for solo work they both made classical albums
Tony admittedly treated Steve as 2nd rate member of Genesis... he stifled a LOT of Steve's songwriting ambitions, until Steve had to do what he did - and why turn back? It would be nice, agreed but its probably a burned bridge at this point.
@@KeithSchwartz-g2j All true but after all these years I can confidently say that as great a guitarist as Steve as, he was never in the same songwriting league as Tony, or Peter, or Mike. To this day he is still complaining about it and he reminds me a bit of Harrison and his gripes with Lennon&McCartney, futile. After a nearly 40-year solo career and over 20 albums, he is out there playing Tony's music because that gets bums on seat.
Tony and Steve should go out on the road together. What a show that would be!
Screw the press, the fans are with you ! You never went to the crossroads ,! Well done.
Apart from the arsehole fans who criticise the post Gabriel , the post Hackett and post Collins albums .
That lot actually never wanted the band to progress .
I wish that you did such an interview with PG
@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES Did you do a full-length solo interview with Peter?
Yes. A very memorable one. Unfortunately I never had possession of even a poor resolution copy. ):
@@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES Damn - hope it will surface one day. I definitely would be interested to hear him in the same intimate style as we see Tony in here.
Um músico com formação classica e o principal integrante do grupo.
My favourite group until Seconds Out. If people love Genesis and want more music in a similar vein give the band IQ a listen, try the albums Dark Matter or Road of Bones.
No one else, anywhere in time or space, is better suited to telling you bad news without the slightest hint of emotional investment.
God the whole prog to MTV thing infuriates me, the Pete era vs Phil era. Its what would've happened if The Beatles or many other 60s groups had carried on through the 70s and onwards. They wouldn't have remained mop-tops, or Walruses, they would have mirrored or led the times, as they grew up.
And Genesis, have remained throughout these guys lives, as they grew up and changed. Its almost a dead end discussion. Why would creative people continue to keep remaking things they did in their 20s in their 40s?! Look how its worked for the stones.. dull as dishwater and haven't done a truly, truly, interesting album since Sticky Fingers over 50 years ago.
Its so nice to be able to say, today i feel like hearing some Genesis, my mood is Nursery Cryme, or tomorrow I feel like Abacab.
Well said.
As much criticism as …and then there were three gets, that was the blueprint of what was to come as it still contains those progressive elements i.e undertow, burning rope, the lady lies. Idk… they never really lost the progressive side, just crafted it better into pop songs than the contemporaries.
I guess the thing with the ATTW3 record is that it appears to be slightly overlooked in the discography by the guys themselves. Even FYFM which was their biggest hit at that point was not played on the Abacab tour, only to be added on the 82 leg of that tour. And then only played on select nights on the Mama and IT tour.
If you look at Archives #2 which represents the Collins years, ATTW3 is the only record that has 3 songs represented with live recordings. Simply because none of that material actually was released live, with the exception of FYFM on 3SL.
Have to say that personally I don't like the sound of the record that much. I preferred that material live much better.
@@santibanksI find it quite eerie
Tony Banks and Ben Shapiro: the reason RUclips has X0.75 play speed 😅
Very droll. Thanks for your sneer
Maybe you should investigate speeding up your brain. Shapiro I can understand he operates at x1.75 on a normal day. But if you can't grasp what Tony's saying at any point in this interview at standard speed, you may have a diction-based auditory barrier that could very well end up with you being injured by a car at a stoplight. Look into it, seriously.
For Shapiro you only need the mute button.
I'd love to see a video of Jordan Peterson trying to dissect The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.
@@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES I wasn't sneering, I was admitting my English is not good enough for these two fast thinkers.
Is there an uncut version of this that you can do thats filtered?
This version has somehow survived … so far ! I suggest you download it asap TONY BANKS UNFILTERED: GENESIS KEYBOARD PLAYER & COMPOSER IN CONVERSATION . FULL.. 1 Hour 53 Mins
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Thank you 👍
No one in the universe goes for a pee in F of F
Lol😂
I like most Genesis, but the older stuff in the '70s was the best.
{:o:O:}
'Some people simply get good press, like Lou Reed for example and I don't know why'. Me neither, Tony, me neither.
Wow - start out an interview fragmenting Tony’s work. He has always had disdain for the early legend
So. many. cuts. I'd love to hear most of the edited parts...
It’s cut for a very good reason. It was originally blocked by a copyright strike as this interview was filmed for the documentary Sum of the Parts. I cut all the sections used for the documentary and uploaded it again. If you want to see the cut bits check out the doc.
Tony has a face like thunder at the start of this. Hilarious.
Lots of people lament the leaving of Steve however, personally I think if we are to look at Steve's output after Genesis then Genesis would not have evolved to where they did. Steve stayed in the real prog rock, prog rock vein whereas Genesis left that which in my opinion led to the betterment and obvious longevity of the band. I've seen Steve many times in concert and his music is great but had he stayed in Genesis I'm not sure they would have gone where they needed to go. Steve was just a bit old fashioned.
But, to be honest....at the time of Cured(Steve Hackett) vs Abacab(Genesis), I prefer Abacab. I love the previous albums before Cured. The one of the Doll in Japan was interesting. But i think, one moment that would be good for Genesis the returning of Steve Hackett was 1997. But at that time, Genesis was Tony Banks and Mike Rutherford. And they were used to work the two of them...plus Phil Collins, but he was not there anymore. Steve Hackett was closer musically to Tony Banks. But from group dynamics....is normal that Tony(the lead instrument) needed Mike(an ally, a bassist and a rhythm guitarist, and someone who complements him but is not a soloist) and Phil(who was the singer, a great singer, and a great drummer), and no need someone else (Peter was both an ally and an "enemy", he was very close to Tony , but they were creative rivals).
So then how do you square with the fact that they badly imitated Steve on all the albums after? Meanwhile, Steve’s first solo album went gold…
If Tony and Mike reform the band with Steve Hackett and Chester Thompson (as full member) would be great.
And the band creating expansive moods with big guitar solos.
Ray Wilson was a good choice for singing.
@@eyetalicsorry, what? Where are the “badly” imitating Steve on Duke or Abacab ?
@@gabbleratchet1890 The guitar work sounds fine on those albums. Duke is one of my favorite Genesis albums. But the guitar sounds like the vocal work Phil did after Peter left-like they’re trying to fill an important void with something close to the real thing. The compositional choices, richness in tone and use of vibrato are just not there. It would be like replacing David Gilmour in Pink Floyd. Nobody could do it, but there’s no ignoring the importance of that sound.
These interviews are great, but I do wish you would prepare properly... every question starts with: err, so, um, what do you think about, err, well you know, pause, pause, err, umm... its painful to listen at times!
In my defence , this was not intended to be shown “raw” in this way. It was filmed for the 2014 Genesis documentary. Intended to be edited in short bites. In the doc you never hear my questions. The filming is unhurried in. A chat . Tony was relaxed in this setting - actually at his home. The best stuff usually comes from that kind of set up.
Banks was the geinous composer until Hacket left the band.... then he lost his musical genious and walked behind Collins pop music...
Get over. Quit being so bitter
Idiot alert ⚠️
Genesis had to change. If they stuck with prog to satisfy the few, they would have been far less successful. All the big groups changed...even Queen. Well done Collins and the guys for moving more mainstream
@@JoaquínLerona idiot alert ⚠️
@@creativeartist83 posted the same comment twice alert ⚠
They lost me.
Get over it. You are lost because you can’t see the bigger picture. Quit being so bitter
I love Tony, but hearing him say “for Mike and I” makes me want to scream. You went to Charterhouse. Did they not teach you that you don’t use “I” as the object of a preposition, Tony?