Acheron and Feixiao are 2 interesting case studies as both require frequent applications of a certain specific action to charge their ultimate. But Acheron's resource comes from debuff application, and the problem is that normally you'd AVOID frequently applying debuffs as it is a waste of skill/ult if you do it before the timer expires, forcing you to look for solutions like Resolution Shines lightcone or pulling an entire 5-star (Jiaoqiu). Whereas there is no such dilemma for Feixiao charging her stacks via your own allies attacking enemies because that already occurs naturally in the flow of combat.
@XieRH1988 that's an interesting point, it feels like Acheron was a prototype and Feixiao was the upgrade builded upon it. While Acheron can only get, realistically, one stack per ally turn (or enemy turn if you have JQ), Feixiao is not bounded by this limits, since FUA make your allies able to attack multiple times even outside their turns
@@mauriciorosademoraes9209 the point is that all the harmony don't care how you do the dmg, they just giga buff you and on top speed you up, so he is definitely not at the same level of a harmony unit
@Hencid That's why he's in the same level for acheron and Yunli. One care for debuffs apply speed and other doesn't care for speed. Jiaoqiu + Robin combo are the most damage amplifier for these two unis so it's the best option.
Acheron is great at clearing MoC. But for PF and AS, she clears a lot SLOWER than specialized unit like Feixiao for AS and Jade for PF. It's all because of her awkward debuff stacking mechanic and her toughness ignore doesn't do much in AS to break the bosses. So is she worth the pulls nowadays? If you struggle with MoC maybe yes (but Firefly exist and her team is more F2P friendly). But for other modes, she is viable but I bet it won't be long before the HP bloat become worse and she struggle to compete with more specialized units in 3.X.
It’s so funny because everyone was saying “skip Jiaoqiu” because “why would you need a support for the strongest dps in the game”….well…this is why😭. With Jiaoqiu she’s still top tier IMO but expecting her to remain top tier while using only 4* supports…like her getting supports is a good thing, I still don’t understand the Jiaoqiu hate (Yes I know a lot of people said it’s because he’s niche but there were also a lot saying she doesn’t need a support)
Jiaoqiu main thing is his Ult DMG rather than being "Acheron's BiS". It may not look like much but in Divergent Universe, ult is considered as a stand alone playstyle so I'm sure more Ult spammer DPS gonna come soon.
@ yeah I agree, I just mean when he released his main role was “Acheron support” and people said she doesn’t need one. But I agree, his value will keep increasing, both for ult focused characters and any more debuff focused ones
We have a complete Break team, a complete follow-up team, a complete hypercarry team... Still not *_quite_* the case for Acheron. I'm curious to see what a fully optimal Acheron team will look like 🙂
We need nihility healer with Jiaoqiu's debuff to give her stacks. And then it's complete. Because you could use for example Robin + Sparkle/Bronya/Sunday/RM or whatever future two supports.
will be worse than the full team of the big new DPS that's out when, or should I say if, her BiS teammates come out, worst even, those BiS teammates are probably gonna work a lot better in those new DPS teams
The problems character like Acheron and Ratio are debuffer and high investment for their lc (or other supporter lc) to maximize their potential. Without them they're considered as a mid dps.
I started playing this game on the last week of Jade's banner, and looking at my account now, I really don't see a reason to pull for Acheron. I have E0S1 Yunli and Feixiao along with Robin, Topaz, and future Aventurine and I think I'm good with my current DPS. I'll pull for her on my alt account tho but on my main, i think I'm good for skipping. I dunno, someo correct me if my way of thinking is wrong tho😊
I started playing the game on Yunli's banner, I had no clue she wasn't that good without her light cone :/ Disapointing performance. Forced to run lynx and even with Lynx they target someone else 50% of the time making energy generation rough. Already missing out on the energy regen I could get from Huohuo, but on top of that not getting enough just from being hit.
As a Acheron E0S1 with JQ E0S1 owner. My recommendation is: - E0S0 without JQ is a skip - E0S0 with JQ is a maybe (depends roster) - E0S1 without JQ is maybe almost a skip - E0S1 with JQ is a good pull At this point E2S1 is not that better than E0S1 with JQ
Just saying, I benched Acheron in this MoC cycle in order to pass it. And it's not even 2.7 it's already this bad, the new era of dps in 3.0 is gonna be way worse. Nobody think Jingliu would be powercrept THIS badly, but here we are, it's not even like she fall out slowly but literally one patch she was peak dps, and the very next one she's a piece of sh*t. Never have I regret pulling for a dps in the rerun than that. If you don't have them in their first run, might as well not thinking about it in the rerun especially a hyper carry archetype of a dps where all damage rely on one character, powercreep is running wild in this game.
Yeah, the plus side of that it encourages to build more units play around with them and bench them rather than just investing in eidolons every re-run. As a 2.4 player I haven't yet felt the pain of my character get ruined, but I'm sure it will change soon.
You say acheron still worth it because you use E2, its very different between her E0 and E2, if someone only have jade to pull char, better to skip, because acheron without sign is not good now, i often watch livestream moc acheron without her sign need 6-7 cycle
Really need an outside opinion on this, like who do i pull for acheron or aventurine? rn i have a team for acheron alr ready ( silver wolf, pela and fuxuan) but i also have feixiao and topaz not too invested yet like the others, i also dont have robin nor ruan mei which im planning to get them in the future, and was thinking on pulling for fugue, as for sundae i would have to skip acheron and aventurine to get him
Without giving any major leaks, the focus in 3.X meta would be mostly Summoners and HP based. If you do horizontal investment, then: • Sunday should be top priority since 5* harmony is a must at this point (and ahem his kit is very useful for future investment, ng spoil anything) • But if you feel you still lack of sustain, then Aventurine should be top priority (it helps your Feixiao team too) • Acheron's LC is nice and all, but ngl everyone hyped it too much. Just for Jiaoqiu, because apparently hoyo consider Ult Spam as playstyle/archetype and Jiaoqiu buff Ult DMG • Don't pull Fugue if you are not invested in any Break DPS. HMC is already enough, and Ruan Mei offers more needed buff
@@jerryeljeremy7790 oh dont worry about leaks since im keeping up with them. for sustain i dont feel like i am in need of any rn, only thought of pulling for aventurine cuz of feixiao, but rn i feel like i lack dmg on that team rather than sustain. For superbreak im using firefly now with hmc, gallagher and pela with herta shop lc, but i still feel like im lacking in dmg too, thats why i wanted fugue for her exoesqueleton thing and her break buffs. Only wanted acheron cuz ive seen that she works well in all of the endgame gamemodes, rather than being more catered towards one or two of them like feixiao, as for sunday i might really end up pulling for him i think
@@kuramauchiha153 i only have fuxuan as an limited sustain and im using gallaguer on the other team(superbreak) but atleast for now i havent ran into anything that those two couldnt tank, as for the gameplay i dont really have a preference, im only worried about pulling for acheron cuz she has been in the meta for quite a while and with 3.0 coming she might end up being left behind if she doesnt get more supports catered to her
stop glazing acheron, she requires too much investment and she will corner every folks account, people should be investing in break and summoners at the moment not brick their account pulling for acheron and what for? they will not cater the content to her anymore and she is falling off rapidly and when she gets an upgrade the company loses money as seen from the fact that nobody pulled jiaoqu, that's why they will not be doing stuff for her anymore, but they will keep updating break, fua, summoners etc because people are always open for that
dude, thats just wrong. She is strong with her lc and jiaoqiu. She will be buffed same as break so...your point dosnt stand. Debuffers are always a chance to buff her. If a whole role can maybe buff her, then she'll be fine for a while.
@@Lyr0n ill be honest unless we see nihility units catered to her, which might harm the value of e2, its looking like without already having the prior investment she is less valuable to BEGIN investing into
Someone doesn't have Jiaoqiu 😂 You should've. He turns her into super Acheron. People who didn't pull are idiots who believed streamers who kept doomposting her in beta 😂😂😂
@@JayDamaso78 i pulled for feixiao that is much better than acheron with jiaoqu, so? i will not further invest in a declinging charcter that has no significant synergy with the core archetypes of the game
Acheron and Feixiao are 2 interesting case studies as both require frequent applications of a certain specific action to charge their ultimate.
But Acheron's resource comes from debuff application, and the problem is that normally you'd AVOID frequently applying debuffs as it is a waste of skill/ult if you do it before the timer expires, forcing you to look for solutions like Resolution Shines lightcone or pulling an entire 5-star (Jiaoqiu).
Whereas there is no such dilemma for Feixiao charging her stacks via your own allies attacking enemies because that already occurs naturally in the flow of combat.
@XieRH1988 that's an interesting point, it feels like Acheron was a prototype and Feixiao was the upgrade builded upon it. While Acheron can only get, realistically, one stack per ally turn (or enemy turn if you have JQ), Feixiao is not bounded by this limits, since FUA make your allies able to attack multiple times even outside their turns
Rehoo baby, pulling a lightcone is vertical investment. Horizontal would be pulling like, Jiaoqiu
My bad my brain has been upside down since ive been sick
jiaoqu is also vertical investment as he works only works best with acheron
@@HencidNot really. All ultimates besides Feixiao he's on par with harmony besides Robin. That's only Acheron and Yunli.
@@mauriciorosademoraes9209 the point is that all the harmony don't care how you do the dmg, they just giga buff you and on top speed you up, so he is definitely not at the same level of a harmony unit
@Hencid That's why he's in the same level for acheron and Yunli.
One care for debuffs apply speed and other doesn't care for speed. Jiaoqiu + Robin combo are the most damage amplifier for these two unis so it's the best option.
Pull your favorites fam :)
Acheron is great at clearing MoC. But for PF and AS, she clears a lot SLOWER than specialized unit like Feixiao for AS and Jade for PF. It's all because of her awkward debuff stacking mechanic and her toughness ignore doesn't do much in AS to break the bosses.
So is she worth the pulls nowadays? If you struggle with MoC maybe yes (but Firefly exist and her team is more F2P friendly). But for other modes, she is viable but I bet it won't be long before the HP bloat become worse and she struggle to compete with more specialized units in 3.X.
It’s so funny because everyone was saying “skip Jiaoqiu” because “why would you need a support for the strongest dps in the game”….well…this is why😭. With Jiaoqiu she’s still top tier IMO but expecting her to remain top tier while using only 4* supports…like her getting supports is a good thing, I still don’t understand the Jiaoqiu hate
(Yes I know a lot of people said it’s because he’s niche but there were also a lot saying she doesn’t need a support)
Jiaoqiu main thing is his Ult DMG rather than being "Acheron's BiS". It may not look like much but in Divergent Universe, ult is considered as a stand alone playstyle so I'm sure more Ult spammer DPS gonna come soon.
@ yeah I agree, I just mean when he released his main role was “Acheron support” and people said she doesn’t need one.
But I agree, his value will keep increasing, both for ult focused characters and any more debuff focused ones
literally 😭 they could never make me hate you jiaoqiu
my e0 acheron and jq is waiting for sunday patiently
Just hoping for a JQ rerun or a new ulitmate support. She's still strong and want to keep going since I have her e2s1 to make her last.
We have a complete Break team, a complete follow-up team, a complete hypercarry team...
Still not *_quite_* the case for Acheron. I'm curious to see what a fully optimal Acheron team will look like 🙂
We need nihility healer with Jiaoqiu's debuff to give her stacks. And then it's complete. Because you could use for example Robin + Sparkle/Bronya/Sunday/RM or whatever future two supports.
it will still be worse than all those other teams, don't get your hopes up
will be worse than the full team of the big new DPS that's out when, or should I say if, her BiS teammates come out, worst even, those BiS teammates are probably gonna work a lot better in those new DPS teams
Need nihility that can FuA counter like yunli
Dont forget Dot, we dont even have a proper dot support let alone sustain (hou hou is good but not a dedicated)
The problems character like Acheron and Ratio are debuffer and high investment for their lc (or other supporter lc) to maximize their potential. Without them they're considered as a mid dps.
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Bro, your Feixiao has the exact same stats as mine like wtf 😂
My bad let me log out your account
I started playing this game on the last week of Jade's banner, and looking at my account now, I really don't see a reason to pull for Acheron. I have E0S1 Yunli and Feixiao along with Robin, Topaz, and future Aventurine and I think I'm good with my current DPS. I'll pull for her on my alt account tho but on my main, i think I'm good for skipping.
I dunno, someo correct me if my way of thinking is wrong tho😊
I started playing the game on Yunli's banner, I had no clue she wasn't that good without her light cone :/ Disapointing performance. Forced to run lynx and even with Lynx they target someone else 50% of the time making energy generation rough. Already missing out on the energy regen I could get from Huohuo, but on top of that not getting enough just from being hit.
As a Acheron E0S1 with JQ E0S1 owner. My recommendation is:
- E0S0 without JQ is a skip
- E0S0 with JQ is a maybe (depends roster)
- E0S1 without JQ is maybe almost a skip
- E0S1 with JQ is a good pull
At this point E2S1 is not that better than E0S1 with JQ
@@felo507yt that's the problem, with the cost of 3 five stars you get a unit on par with the next DPS will be at the cost of 1
@LucasGomes-ng2go exactly. I agree. Better just pull Aventurine if dont have him
Just saying, I benched Acheron in this MoC cycle in order to pass it. And it's not even 2.7 it's already this bad, the new era of dps in 3.0 is gonna be way worse. Nobody think Jingliu would be powercrept THIS badly, but here we are, it's not even like she fall out slowly but literally one patch she was peak dps, and the very next one she's a piece of sh*t. Never have I regret pulling for a dps in the rerun than that. If you don't have them in their first run, might as well not thinking about it in the rerun especially a hyper carry archetype of a dps where all damage rely on one character, powercreep is running wild in this game.
Yeah, the plus side of that it encourages to build more units play around with them and bench them rather than just investing in eidolons every re-run. As a 2.4 player I haven't yet felt the pain of my character get ruined, but I'm sure it will change soon.
She’s the best dps in the game. She’ll be fine.
You say acheron still worth it because you use E2, its very different between her E0 and E2, if someone only have jade to pull char, better to skip, because acheron without sign is not good now, i often watch livestream moc acheron without her sign need 6-7 cycle
Really need an outside opinion on this, like who do i pull for acheron or aventurine? rn i have a team for acheron alr ready ( silver wolf, pela and fuxuan) but i also have feixiao and topaz not too invested yet like the others, i also dont have robin nor ruan mei which im planning to get them in the future, and was thinking on pulling for fugue, as for sundae i would have to skip acheron and aventurine to get him
Without giving any major leaks, the focus in 3.X meta would be mostly Summoners and HP based. If you do horizontal investment, then:
• Sunday should be top priority since 5* harmony is a must at this point (and ahem his kit is very useful for future investment, ng spoil anything)
• But if you feel you still lack of sustain, then Aventurine should be top priority (it helps your Feixiao team too)
• Acheron's LC is nice and all, but ngl everyone hyped it too much. Just for Jiaoqiu, because apparently hoyo consider Ult Spam as playstyle/archetype and Jiaoqiu buff Ult DMG
• Don't pull Fugue if you are not invested in any Break DPS. HMC is already enough, and Ruan Mei offers more needed buff
if you already have 2 limited sustains, pulling aventurine won't do much, so I would say acheron unless u like followup more or need another sustain
skip and save for the next new characters
@@jerryeljeremy7790 oh dont worry about leaks since im keeping up with them. for sustain i dont feel like i am in need of any rn, only thought of pulling for aventurine cuz of feixiao, but rn i feel like i lack dmg on that team rather than sustain. For superbreak im using firefly now with hmc, gallagher and pela with herta shop lc, but i still feel like im lacking in dmg too, thats why i wanted fugue for her exoesqueleton thing and her break buffs. Only wanted acheron cuz ive seen that she works well in all of the endgame gamemodes, rather than being more catered towards one or two of them like feixiao, as for sunday i might really end up pulling for him i think
@@kuramauchiha153 i only have fuxuan as an limited sustain and im using gallaguer on the other team(superbreak) but atleast for now i havent ran into anything that those two couldnt tank, as for the gameplay i dont really have a preference, im only worried about pulling for acheron cuz she has been in the meta for quite a while and with 3.0 coming she might end up being left behind if she doesnt get more supports catered to her
I just got her e1 today at 13 pity by surprise, should I keep pushing for her e2? I’m not 56 pity in towards my next 5 star
That’s not how you pronounce ruan Mei 💀💀💀
Where's your voice at?
Recently sick lmao finally could record
stop glazing acheron, she requires too much investment and she will corner every folks account, people should be investing in break and summoners at the moment not brick their account pulling for acheron and what for? they will not cater the content to her anymore and she is falling off rapidly and when she gets an upgrade the company loses money as seen from the fact that nobody pulled jiaoqu, that's why they will not be doing stuff for her anymore, but they will keep updating break, fua, summoners etc because people are always open for that
dude, thats just wrong. She is strong with her lc and jiaoqiu. She will be buffed same as break so...your point dosnt stand. Debuffers are always a chance to buff her. If a whole role can maybe buff her, then she'll be fine for a while.
@@Lyr0n ill be honest unless we see nihility units catered to her, which might harm the value of e2, its looking like without already having the prior investment she is less valuable to BEGIN investing into
What a sad little kid. You lost 50/50 or something?
Someone doesn't have Jiaoqiu 😂 You should've. He turns her into super Acheron. People who didn't pull are idiots who believed streamers who kept doomposting her in beta 😂😂😂
@@JayDamaso78 i pulled for feixiao that is much better than acheron with jiaoqu, so? i will not further invest in a declinging charcter that has no significant synergy with the core archetypes of the game