The reason why Rappa still does damage to enemies even when they aren’t broken is because her talent allows her to gain stacks of charge that are used up when ulting. These charge stacks allow you to deal break damage to all enemies, regardless if they are the ones who are broken or not. An example of this would be the Loufu Arumaton that imprisons you. When he goes into his no toughness damage state, and summons the two fish, if Rappa breaks the two fish on the side, the next attack she does will deal break damage to him regardless of him actually being broken or not.
Does that mean she'll always be dealing break damage as long as she's in her ult? Would that give her an edge over Firefly and can she deal super break damage with that? She looks so fun to play but I'm torn between her and Acheron since I just came back to the game, I stopped playing after Topaz release so I don't have any of the top tier support for both of them but Archeron seem more playable with low investment 😢
@vuluu5342 she won’t always deal break damage during her ult, only when she has charge stacks available before the 3rd hit of the Enhanced basic combo goes off. When compared to Firefly, she is considerably less consistent, as she has no forcible implant in her kit, and character that help her break such as Gallagher, HMC, and Lingsha will still heavily rely on the enemy being weak to their preferred element to accelerate the process. That being said, her damage ceiling when compared to Firefly is considerably higher, and she very easily can perform to a Firefly level, if not even better in most scenarios if given the correct conditions (weakness). If you are considering Rappa, I would, at the bare minimum try to ensure picking up both Fugue (2.7) and Ruan Mei for her. They are absolutely massive, and the difference between having them on the team will feel night and day. Otherwise, I’d likely advise against pulling for Rappa from a pure meta perspective. Acheron is in a very similar position to Rappa. Nowadays for Acheron to truly be ‘good’ you need to invest into a Jiaquo, and likely Fugue as well. She has other good substitute options like Pela, but frankly speaking compared to current meta monsters like Fei Xiao, she falls quite a bit behind the curve without her meta supports. If I had to recommend one over the other, I’d say Rappa would be a better choice as it stands. We have no idea when Jiaqou will get his rerun, Acheron requires a more sizable investment to function to the degree you want her to, and her teams aren’t as easy to sustain compared to break teams. Despite being less consistent, most of the time she will hit that ‘good enough’ mark to clear, and when she can she will destroy the content with ease.
@@bronben5479 tks for your insight, between the 2 which would be a beter plug and play option? Because as I mention, I don't have any of the support casts for them, the only supports I have rn is Tingyun and Pela, for substain I have Fue Xuan, and with my luck I don't think I can get both Rappa and Fugue in the next patch, LOL
@vuluu5342 For pure plug and play? If you have Pela and a Resolution LC + Trend of the Universal Market for Fu Xuan, probably Acheron, though don’t expect anything great. If you don’t have those two LCs, then Rappa is the better plug and play since Gallagher and HMC are free units, and you can get a Erudition LC from Herta shop.
Firefly and BootHill are the most valuable dps for their weakness implant. Especially for f2p players. Having ONE dps that can add a weakness implant so you don’t have to struggle with MOC or bosses with a specific weakness element is a game changer. Firefly legit SAVED me during early game content. Acheron is amazing for exploration and SU but not necessary unless you want her.
Yes, Firefly and Boothill are incredibly valuable because of their weakness implant. However don't forget that Acheron also completely ignores weaknesses. We are talking about F2Ps here though, and for low investment F2P accounts superbreak is the strongest.
Difference between ff and boothill is, BH does huge damage without superbreak meanwhil FF is technically married to HMC. Its not a case to argue though since HMC is free for everyone 😅
Well ff has a big difference in weakness implant and aoe unlike boothill only good against single target boss, Boothill weakness implant is mid.@@GettieJC
I ultimately agree with basically everything said. However I think you're really brushing off the fact that it *really really* depends on the current endgame cycle going on. Unless you have Jiaoqiu, then Acheron is much weaker than Feixiao in this cycle, on the contrary if the enemy has Lightning weakness but no Wind weakness Acheron is going to be much better, especially if there are 2 or more enemies. And the fact that Rappa is as good as Acheron in the showcases because the next MoC cycle is highly tailored for her specifically.
@@EnjoyGengar Nah, FF needs Ruan Mei/HTB just like Acheron needs JQ/+other debuffers and Feixiao needs Robin/Topaz. Honestly, Adventurine is the only char that is pretty much universal and self reliant.
I have E2 Acheron, E2 Firefly and E2 Feixiao with alm their best supports Id probably rank them as : 1. Feixiao 2. Firefly (Could change places with Feixiao delending on the MOC) 3. Acheron Feixiao is insane. She has the highest single target damage in the game while also having a team that demolishes AOE scenarios with multiple eiltes because she can run a sub DPS. She also synergizes perfectly with Robin, the best harmony in the game. Just for context, Robin is BIS for teams that arent even FUA, so any DPS that takes full advantage of her buffs would in obviously be broken Firefly is similar. Her entire team is boosted by superbreak, and that E2 is straight out of SU. So she deals damage that rivals hypercarries while her teammates also deal significant damage Acheron is versatile but suffers from the fate all hypercarries do. Her teammates dont contribute much to the total damage at all, and you can only oush your hypercarry much. Its obvious she would fall slightly behind. But still, with her best team, she is also a string pick for virtually any content
I agree. And ppl hype up acheron but ALWAYS forget that she violently depends on her lc, which makes her sooo much harder to gear up. Her being the only nihility who can take advantage of that weapon as well doesn’t help
It's hard not to have a strongest dps list without some biasness in the mix, but I feel the most egregious case of it was when mentioning that FF and Boothill and Rappa needs Ruan mei or they will suffer massive performance decline but not mention it as an issue for Feixiao with robin or Acheron with Jiaoqiu. I agree that the aforementioned break dps would need ruan mei to get their dmg out, but boothill is actually the exception to that rule because his dmg isn't tied to superbreak but break exclusively (dmg isn't determined on toughness dmg dealt). If this list is noting everyone as e0s1 with optimal teams then feixiao has to be the best dps objectively, but if we aren't favoring most optimal teams then boothill will have to take that spot since that unit quite literally functions with every unit that helps him achieve his goal (pela, hunt march, luka, The other dps in the list lmao, hanya, and hmc). boot really only needs one of his 3 bis sups (hmc, ruan mei, or bronya) to be an exceptional 0-cycle unit. Now with that out of the way, valuing PF as a game mode, is the only way I see acheron being the "best" dps because she does function is all game modes admittedly tho her PF is a bit lack luster but better than the rest of the cast except Rappa. Even though Rappa is the worst PF premium unit (jade and argenti is better). good video I must say, but team restrictions are a huge turn off for me when it comes to determining who to put on my account, so this is why i value boothill to be the best dps due to his self-reliance and versatility of his bis teammates. Surprisingly, Acheron would also technically be here as well since she functions alright without jiaoqiu for now, but she suffers from the S1 plague more so than her competition.
"Break units need Ruan mei (universal t0 support that everyone should have)" Apparently is bad. Meanwhile Acheron needs jioaqiu (more niche unit who mainly works for Acheron teams with minor uses outside) is not valid in knocking Acheron down.
Feixiao doesn't need Robin. She honestly works with tons of characters. Acheron is buffed quite significantly with jiaoqiu, but she doesn't need him either :) She can ult a lot without him too, and still deals pretty insane damage+ults often. The reason FF+Boothill+Rappa need Ruan Mei is because without her, they do REALLY low damage. In Firefly's first MOC (designed for her ofc), clearing it with FF, but with no Ruan Mei, takes 6-7 cycles longer (iirc). That gap has only increased with time. Feixiao and Acheron can still clear without their best supports, but FF and the break dudes do NEED Weakness Efficiency. Editted cause I totally overreacted ongod :( mb lol, tired
@@HSRMOC The issue is that break teams REQUIRE your universal support in their team. So, the Ruan Mei you were using in your non-break team (like say, DPS), gets stolen. Now you need a replacement.
@lovestruck3328 Now, I know you don't know what you are talking about. Boothill with or without Ruan mei changes his dmg 0. He has no superbreak, so his dmg doesn't scale off of Ruan mei existing. Also, it's shocking to see a feixiao defender blatantly lie about feixiao not needing Robin when every main on reddit and every CC is telling you to pull Robin first to determine if you can play feixiao. Same way how every main and CC will tell you to pull Ruan mei first before considering FF or Rappa. Their performance will plummet without the core piece. Just to clarify my points, Ruan mei simplifies boothill's gameplay (trust he needs it for how data looks, lmao.), you agree with me that acheron sees a sizeable difference in performance but still is a contender without him at e0s1 specifically, and feixiao is gimped without Robin (half your dmg gone). I will elaborate that feixiao can make do without Robin by sticking a 3rd dps into the team lmao, but will still suffer a decent loss in performance. Hopefully, this clears everything up about why I have my views.
@@pieman2025 Hi. :) The thing with Boothill not needing Ruan Mei is literally just semantics and its not true anyway. He takes so much longer to ramp up without Ruan Mei's BEfficiency, so his general damage output drops by about half, since he's spending so long building up his Trickshots, and then he needs to shoot down a boss's break bar 3 times instead of 2, and it becomes a very slow slog. + Ruan Mei gives absurd Res Pen too :P So yeah. Semantics, and you're not arguing with me about the other two. Those are genuinely impossible to play without RM. So. That works. Anyways, the point I was making was that breakers plummet to extremely low damage without Ruan Mei... But without Robin, Feixiao is still VERY very viable. You are "sacrificing" extra damage by not having Robin, but even without, she is entirely playable and above average. TLDR: In short, with Robin, Feixiao is one of the two best DPSes in the game. Without, she can still be played. The same cannot be said for breakers.
She's great, but in ApocShadow she can't do much when the boss is knocked down. Also, I haven't seen a showcase where her damage is comparable to Rappa or Acheron, yet anyway. Though she is definitely one of the best counters (pun intended) for Hoolay, and if we get more and more fast enemies like him she will definitely have a more set in stone place in the meta.
Absolurely. She’s top 4. She is the most versatile dps in the game. If we go off of how well each dos performs in all gamemodes. 1. Feixiao 2. Boothill 3. Firefly 4. Yunli 5. Acheron.
In overall versatility, she’s better than boothill and firefly, but she falls short of the versatility of Acheron, and the dmg output of boothill and feixiao. She’s definitely a really good 5th or 4th slot. (Incase you ask why, Yunli doesn’t have a way to ignore weakness which is present in pretty much any modern 5 star DPS. While she does take hoolay out on a dog walk, the hoolay side also provides the perfect reason why she isn’t top 3. The typing, the monkey and the shadow in phase 1 are absolutely awful for her.)
@@pally3370 I don't fully agree. I think Yunli is almost if not just as versatile than Acheron given all of the game modes. I argue that Yunli is t0 in MoC AND t0 in PF but t1 in apoc shadow. Acheron is t0.5 in MoC and Apoc and t0.5 in PF. Just my opinion. But Acheron doesn't have the damage capabilities of yunli while also being matched very closely in versatility. Also Acheron requires way more investment in the form of Jiaqiu and signature, you also want her e2
IMO yunli is better than both boothill and rappa, especially with s1. Shes good in every game mode, much like acheron. Her damage is really good with her empowered ultimate counter. Her only downside is that she needs enemies to hit her to do her damage, but thats not unlike how firefly and boothill are shit out of luck against enemies that lock out their weakness bar. Shes also goated against second half MOC 12 because of how often hoolay attacks.
rappa ult state eba has colorless weakness break but 50% on non imaginary. game's a waifu collector unless you go for zero cycles, it's only as hard as you want it to be since they give you 10 cycles.
Truthfully the tier lists don't really matter much tbh because of 2 teams. There's like what 30 characters but you only "need" 8? An easy solution is making another endgame mode that requires a 3rd team and they could even allow what Divergent Universe does with unbuilt characters (bring them up to level 80, give moderate relics and a decentish LC). That will make it possible to clear some but not all and still be fair enough for "newish" players
Feixiao does not struggle in PF, with eagle set she easily achieves 40k in all PF rotations while being off-element. Feixiao's only weakness currently is five-target break focused bosses like AS Sunday.
Yep I've seen a couple others mention Feixiao with the Eagle set. Seems I was underestimating her. 🔥🫡 Still, I'd take Acheron for versatility because of the -20% res.
@@mooseoncaffeine You should check out some good PF showcases on Bilibili, regardless of whether you prefer Acheron or not. Would be a good reference for future videos!🔥
If we're talking about pure damage from the main dealer: Acheron If we're talking about overall team: Feixiao If we're talking about ease of use: Firefly If we're talking about fun: Rappa and Boothill My favorite dps's that were mentioned in the vid are Feixiao and Firefly. Feixiao's team and personal damage is really good and I love the Shunko ult. Firefly is really easy to use and I'm just a sucker for mech suits lol Sidenote: Not having JQ for Acheron nowadays feels really rough 😅
Honestly it's a race to see who has the best premium supports Acheron was arguably far weaker than firefly before jiaqiu and probably will yet again fall behind by the release of "fuge" And acheron is much more LC and E2 dependant that firefly is
Yep, Fugue is either gonna make Acheron worse than superbreak again or just buff both Superbreak and Acheron the same amount, depending on how much def% reduction her skill has. We'll have to see.
@@mooseoncaffeine leaks came out for her recently, as it stands, it doesn’t bring firefly above feixiao/acheron’s level, however it DOES bring firefly closer, but we’re still waiting on boothill showcases. Unfortunately, break has the terrible fate where it’s actually better to run a sustain rather than sustain less, because of the added toughness damage that sustain provides is crucial for actually being able to break and deal damage to the enemy. Most recent showcases using fugue are versus bosses that don’t have high toughness (like Svarog) so I’m still waiting on hoolay showcase at e0.
@pally3370 yep, I saw them and was insanely disappointed with Fugue's performance, its literally better to just run Lingsha instead. She's definitely receiving a buff if they truly want to sell or or make break better..
I think Rappa is a pretty useless pickup if you have Firefly or Acheron, but otherwise she's wayy better than the doomers are saying, as this video says she's in the top 5. Even if you have Firefly, getting both Rappa and Fugue means you can have 2 superbreak teams, and that's definitely a way to destroy the whole game.
dare i say boothill needing ruanmei is a myth.. well half a myth. to elaborate on that i do believe she enhances his dmg and delays the enemy that paired with boothill ult is insane. Moreover i dont have ruan sadly but he’s still able to whip the floor with ease especially with his signature. Maybe its cuz i already gave him a crazy shit load of break states and speed but i always love to appreciate how much he can shine and get the job done incredibly well and fast without his bis support
Acheron best Dps as she can save up op buffers for your second archetype team like Robin, Ruan, Sparkle and gets better as more nihility are released, even though Jiaoqiu is her bis nihility, imagine a all general nihility that does defense shred on a higher scale than silver wolf and is AoE? plus unlike kafka who needs DoT, Acheron just needs debuffs and there's ton's to go around which is why I main her because no matter how difficult the game gets, Acheron can be a last resort to brute force just in case, firefly or fei xiao are roughly equal imo but it's a fact Fei Xiao's premium team is better at faster clears, firefly's is better at f2p friendliness as you can output that dps on lower investment while acheron is an IN GENERAL dps that can go anywhere and kill, single target, aoe, break focused enemies because nihility characters can shred down toughness the most outside of break, and can still do damage regardless of toughness lock, I do disagree with fei xiao being the most f2p friendly dps though as that's firefly's position
Please correct me if i am wrong but with Trend LC on FX or aventurine does not proc with JQ. So say the enemy attacks the preservation character with trend, they will proc JQ ashen stack granting one stack for Acheron, but will not be able to also proc trends. I do believe if the character attacks twice, the second attack (if targeting the preservation character) the JQ ashen wont proc but the Trend will. Is this still correct, and if so is Trend LC still needed in a Acheron JQ team?
I wouldn't say Feixiao struggles in pure fiction. Ever since she came out, her team (Feixiao, Robin, Aven, March) clears for me everything with ease at 40k points
@rosseancollins1823 hmm, I see. She'd be even better with the FUA buffs. Pure Fiction is also getting changes that will make basically every character better. Maybe Feixiao and Acheron will become more or less equal, but is still think Acheron has a slight versatility edge because of the -20% All-Type RES.
Yep. All that sounds about right. Though I'm not certain it's Ruan Mei specifically that Firefly needs, so much as two dedicated supports that assist with break. It's going to be interesting what that second break support is going to do and whether or not it's exchangeable enough to allow players a choice whether to swap out Ruan Mei or Harmony Trailblazer, or just force people to chose between HMC and [explitive deleted] Either way, I expect the ceiling to go up at that point and then the Break and FUA teams to probably go for a while without a major update.
There have already been calcs regardless of the multipliers given by Fugue that it's a major drop off in damage if u take out Ruan Mei. A break dps is different than ur typical crit dps. Break dps doesn't do damage until enemies are weakness broken. Much more so are the super break dps. Taking out Ruan Mei slows down the process of dealing superbreak dmg HARD. An example is a Fugue + RM + Lingsha + FF can 0 cycle Hoolay (based into calcs and simulation) but same can't be said to Fugue + HMC. Fugue HMC just doesn't break Hoolay fast enough. Not to mention, taking out Lingsha, who contributes to a major toughness reduction, would be an unwise move
@@AristineSilvanusI don't put any weight in pre-release calculations. Additionally speed tuning and proper use of timing is a concern that calculations don't consider here. Additionally, Fugue's own damage pushes Ruan Mei's contribution down, specifically in situations where the additional delay doesn't factor past the additional 15% already provides. The truth is, the shorter the fight is, the better Fugue gets due to the up front contribution of damage and the way the speed breakpoints land, especially if you're E2 Fugue. But it does raise optimal gear requirements.
Hello, I want to start Honkai Star Rail soon, so do you advise to pull for Rappa, Dan Heng Inhibitor Lunae, Acheron, Aventurine, Sunday or Fugue? What would be your priority order as a list?
@notaleagueplayer220 I recommend Acheron first and foremost, then try getting Aventurine. I don't recommend Rappa, Dhil, or Fugue for new players. As for update 2.7, then I recommend getting Sunday. Good luck! You can at least get 2 five stars in this period.
@@mooseoncaffeine i have 50 pulls, what You recomend me more, pull for Acheron e2 unless i lose a 50/50 or full Fugue? Bcz Fugue eidolons are broken for being a Ruan Mei and a Robin together
@@Ab-gi1te Definitely for Fugue, more characters will almost always be better than more eidolons. Acheron's eidolons are crazy but support eidolons are almost guaranteed to be better.
20:07 as an acheron and she is my fav character I dont agree she do great dmg ofc but her ultimate is very hard to get and firefly do insane damage everytime she use her skill so u dont need to get the ultimate a lot like acheron so achern indeed do more damage but firefly is way better(I never tried fexiao or tried to understand her kit so I wont talk about her)
Topaz for me, not because of the highest damage, but because of her kits. Best with Feixiao. Safer run with Aventurine. Debuff faster for Acheron. Breakbuild somehow works with Firefly. Good synergies with other kits who gain stack from ally's (Robin's uptime, March talent, etc.). Elation is fun to play in a simulated universe. Also have BPLC just in case future mechanics need to spam dispel. Only 2 things she can't fit are dot team and normal hypercarry, except she is the carry one.
WHERE IS DR RATIO. on one side Im happy cause of firefly but I feel like boothill and Dr ratio do the same dmg in there best team. Besides that cool vid dude
@@Boot_hil-l damn harsh shit but I feel like Dr ratio is easier to play and he does pretty decent dmg Soo it's a dhil vs jingliu situation cause I know damn well boothill ain't gonna 1 shot hoolay
@@8lolbit59 you are comparing a none stop skill point issue to a ramp up you can get in two turns and just keep it to end without problems it's not my guy like boothill isn't that hard you just need to use your head and you wouldn't hit a moment where you can't actually use his power dhl without sp
@@Boot_hil-l sp issues where bro and in 2 turns Dr ratio can get 15 crit rate and 30 crit dmg also boothill being a break unit means she is looked into physical type enemies (yes he does implant with his ult but his ult takes 2-3 turns to get).
Waiting for dot meta to comeback... Edit: What I mean by meta to comeback is having a dedicated support and maybe a dedicated sustain. One idea in mind for DoT dedicated support something that would not decrease the stacks of dot ONLY for the next enemy turn. So when an enemy has 20 Blackswan stacks and it's their turn, the stacks will explode like normal but will still maintain 20 stacks. And when you stack it to 40 and the enemy move, it will explode and restart the stack all over again. As for the general support stuff, let her do reduce enemy resistances and increase allies speed when an enemy is weakness broken. Any element on her is fine, but fire or probably physical would be most likely one (Since blind fox and amnesia fox are both fire nihility). Second idea for the sustain is I read an interesting comment about vampiric dot which gives me an idea. the sustain would give DoT stacks to enemy up to 25-30 and every time this explode/proc, it would heal allies based on the unit attack and stacks and give them energy proportional to the amount of stacks (The energy is only if the stacks proc/explode naturally from enemy action). As for their general use, would still be related to DoT where they can increase her dot stack and detonate her own type of DoT (But not giving the energy). Also, their DoT can only be on one enemy, you can imagine how broken this would be without any restriction. Edit 2: Sorry for the DoT tangent even though the video isn't about that, lol. Praying 3.X would be the meta of DoT alongside summons.
Agreed. I hate to admit that E0 DHIL fell off too hard. But E2 DHIL is a different story. He still Heng in there with other top E2s. I would even argue that E2 DHIL is the most versatile among them.
I'd say acheron is the best I have her at C3 and she does absolutely ridiculous dmg to anything totally destroys anything. Feixiao is really cool and great single target but Id say firefly is the solid 2nd, since she can just ignore pretty much all weaknesses but just the fact to bring out her full DPM you need Ruan mei and Stelle.
Tbh, I have a stacked account on phone. There, Feixiao and Firefly are the strongest, Acheron and Rappa are second. I have all sigs except Feixiao and she's still a beast. I miss only Boothill (and Jade/Argenti). On ps5 I have E1S1 Rappa (on a a fresh account to play other characters like Gepard, Clara and such). She eats every enemy with little to no effort even on lvl60. Rappa is seriously underrated.
You're really under selling how much Feixao accelerates her stacks its more then twice as fast if you have team mates like topaz or aven. Where basically everything topaz does is a full stack. And all these fuas pushing up the already insanely fast numby. Cause its fua= stack not 2 actions.
I don’t have only firefly I agree with you if you talk about full 5 star only team.But If it’s E0S0 it’ll be different. E0S0 f2p team 1.Feixiao 2.Firefly 3-4.Boothill rappa 5.Acheron E0S0 with 1 other 5 star characters 1.Acheron with Jiaoqiu 2.Feixiao with Robin or Topaz 3.Firefly with Ruanmei 4-5.Boothill and Rappa with Ruanmei
ya man comepletely agree with that , out of all acheron have proved the most that she can brute force any content in game, doesnt matter it favor her or not , other dps have entire endgame aroud them which makes their performance better , there real test will come in 3.0
Great editing on this one, Moose! Also: I agree! The way I'd sum it up between Feixiao and Acheron is that Acheron is the current strongest DPS, but Feixiao is the current strongest F2P-friendly DPS. Feixiao has a lot going for her from a F2P perspective. She can take advantage of the 5* Herta LC, and the latest 4-star characters (also arguably the best 4-star characters we've ever seen in the game) work with her really really well, with March being straight up 100% free. Even her premium teammates are among the "must-pull" characters you'd probably want to get anyways. Acheron might be stronger and more versatile, but at a cost. She needs her LC and you'll probably have to pull for JQ (who is a teammate you're probably pulling specifically for Acheron, and probably won't use much elsewhere). Her F2P options aren't the greatest and she has no 100% free teammates like March or TB. Of course, a LC and a 5* teammate aren't crazy requirements, but it still needs more investment and commitment. That's why in my eyes Acheron takes the crown for strongest DPS, but Feixiao is the queen of F2P DPS.
Thanks, Victoria! Yep I think you summed it up very well, I 100% agree. Feixiao is definitely one of the best additions to the game, she makes the meta so much healthier because she's so easy to invest into. Honestly glad that March is getting so much attention in the meta, too. I was about to pull Feixiao just to make my March that much stronger but Lingshas hands were looking at me a certain way.
Speaking about floors and ceilings, this is a more important factor to me. Building characters with Crit and SPD like Feixiao and Acheron takes ages, even if following the "relic manipulation" strategies. So, low entry with Boothill and Firefly makes them top 1 and 2 places. Acheron comes 3rd and I can't care less about Feixiao (at least right now.)
As for me, I moreso enjoy building characters with Crit because I feel more accomplished getting good crit stats than 290 break effect. I got 290 break effect in one day on my firefly, literally.
This is such an controversial topic but usually the best characters of the game are the ones who lasts forever when meta changes every month. So it's hard to define who is the best if the next new characters top their spots in that category.
@@amrianachfa5654 bruh why people trash talk about FF. Fugue's kit is already leaked and that Nihility looks like 4 Harmonies. It will be nerfed obviously but Robin *was* Broken now.
@@mauriciorosademoraes9209 firefly is probably the most downplayed character either because they wanted SAM to be a guy and or because they need to justify skipping the arguably most broken character
@@donew1thita11 she literally clears everything easily and her scaling is all ATK% BE% making it the easiest character to build Coping is fine but outright denial of this level is crazy
Just my opinion but acheron definitely relies alot more on her Eildons and lightcone then anyone else on this list. I've tried using each DPS besides rappa since i don't have her and keep seeing my acheron under performing. While FF for example benefits alot from ruan mei, Ruan mei is used in alot of teams outside of break and she all you realistically need no extra copys and no 5 star lightcone Gallagher is a four star and harmony mc is free while JQ is a five star unit that isn't really used outside of acheron teams, acheron also needs her lightcone or Eildons to shows decent results
im interested to see how rappa performs when she goes live, but due to her lower toughness damage to anything not imaginary, i think she may struggle more than the other 2 break dps. (not to downplay her crazy numbers in the right scenario though)
Yeah she's going to be incredibly strong, especially in the MoC and ApocShadow rotations dedicated to her, but as soon as there are no imaginary weak enemies she will be much weaker than Firefly.
Imo the current top five for this moc are 5.acheron 4.firefly 3.boothill 2.rappa 1.feixiao Acheron easily beats the first half but firefly and rappa clears the first half easier. Rappa is better than firefly in this moc bc there are five enemies and the enemies have both fire and imaginary weakness if the enemies don’t have both fire and imaginary weakness firefly would be better. Boothill and feixiao easily beat the second half Boothill 2 shots the boss but still I think feixiao is better and easier to use to clear this moc’s second half
The only thing I disagree with is that your heavily undervaluing BH super break. I've used him with rm htb and Gallagher since his release and the team has never done me wrong. Bronya is definitely not needded
You misunderstand, I'm not dismissing Boothill superbreak as it's still very strong and will do *basically* the same thing Boothill break does. But, as I've been corrected many times by many Boothill mains, using Bronya instead of TB will be that much better.
Funnily enough the only thing in this video that I don't quite agree with is Robin being better than Ruan Mei. I pretty much agree with everything said, but I do think Rappa has a slight advantage over Boothill because of her AoE. I agree that they're pretty much equal otherwise, but if Firefly is getting buffed with Fugue then I'm guessing Rappa is too (pure speculation cuz I didn't look at leaks of Fugues kit) in which case the difference between Rappa and Boothill will be a lot clearer.
Plus from my personal experience, u are tripping if u think Acheron is stronger than Firefly. These days, I personally feel like Acheron is quite lacking in terms of doing dmg when compared to either Firefly Superbreak comps and Feixiao FUA comps. So much so that Acheron has been biting the dust ever since Feixiao released. Heck, when Yunli released, Acheron feels like she's already lacking.
ApocShadow has been the break gamemode because it always has break buffs. Plus superbreak characters benefit the most from that huge action delay the boss gets. So yes, any superbreak character is going to be very strong there, just less so without the buffs. Look at the DoT buff that made Kafka and Black Swan just the best against Phantylia in ApocShadow. Buffs have an INSANE role. And from my personal experience, Acheron is definitely still the best. I think you're seeing her be less useful because of the endgame cycles. Without her though, I wouldn't have cleared anything in the last MoC, PF or ApocShadow. You can see the insane damage I was doing vs the Aventurine boss, in a *DoTcheron* team. I won't tell you Firefly isn't good though, she is absolutely insane, and it's great you're enjoying her. 🫡
@@mooseoncaffeine nuh uh. Idk about you but I run Acheron Jiaoqiu and that comp barely does 30k. May it be last PF or current PF. Plus did u miss playing the 2.4 Apoc Shadow or even the current one? The buffs are majorly for FUA. Even if that was the case, it still requires the breaking of toughness due to the steadfast safeguard mechanic being present on all 3. Even for someone who has E2S1 Acheron, I can confidently say she's not upto par with Feixiao or Firefly. I mean if u want to believe that Acheron is stronger then u do u! Just saying, that for someone who vertically invested on he comps of these 3, Acheron has been seen with the sizable decrease in performance.
feixiao and follow team is so much better than acheron teams en any game mode, even in PF u can just slot a herta and the synergy is there is really good team
I can't wait for Fugue to lauch Firefly into the stratosphere, the fact that she's about to get buffed its actually pure insanity and I'm all here for it
IMO if you are going to consider the character's game mode coverage to argue acheron is better than Fei and FF then it seems unfair to exclude Yunli from this list, as she is one of the most consistent character in the game, and would probably deserve at least a 4th place here
me who had wished for jingliu and depended on her a lot, after not playing the game for quite a while I come back to see this many new charas and jingliu isn't in the best dps list anymore
my list looks sumthn like 1. acheron 2. feixiao 3. rappa 4. firefly 5. kafka bc even tho dot teams are in a lull rn it has so much room for improvement in the future over a single target break crit dps if we had a physical nihility character that could make dots crit then dot would be back in the meta so hard
I think it is unfair to judge Feixiao's performance in PF after only one rotation of the game mode since her release, in which she is able to get 40k on side 1 with Robin, Aventurine and March 7th. The buff this time around doesn't even benefit FUA or single target DPS, such as the shatter me mechanic which has enabled other hunt characters to max clear at least one side.
Ain't no way people still think Acheron is the best when she's only seen nowadays with life support of s1 and Jiaoqiu, and sometimes even needs e2. Like wow she's good in pf (*with S1 and Jiao) and she can clear on the same level as the other 4 in AS (*with S1 and Jiao). It's time for people to accept that not being able to utilise harmony properly is her fault and like with dot, you can't wait for an imaginary unit to come along and save your archetype. Bar for bar all 4 of these dps outperform her in each of their respective areas. Some in multiple of these. The jack of all trades, master of none. It's time to acknowledge powercreep and move on to other dps rather than clinging to a 5th place dps as if she's still the best whilst futily attempting to simultaneously fix and ignore her problems. It's over she is cooked.
@@Dxminicy0 i feel you but i pull from the heart . So if 3.0 dps are boring to me i won't pull. I'm not much of a "meta player" . Don't know if i'm saying it right. And feixia and acheron are like my favorite characters so yeah
@deadapple1700 Sparkle only advances 50% while Bronya advances by 100%. Sparkle has a bigger CD buff while Bronya has a bigger DMG% buff. Boothill doesn't make use of much CD, instead makes use of DMG% since he's a Break Effect character. Finally, Sparkle doesn't have as strong of an ATK buff as Bronya in non mono-quantum teams. Edit: Sparkle is better everywhere else though.
Speaking about "now less viable": Prydwen decided to push Acheron to Tier 0.5 from Tier 0, and keep Feixiao in Tier 0. Which is so weird to me, when my E0 Acheron on S2 Good Night and Sleep Well still clears her half in time, and my E0 Feixiao (on S5 Cruising) team (Robin/March7th/Gallagher|Fu Xuan) cannot deal with their half in time. Which makes me think Feixiao needs much more investment in terms of relics than Acheron, she needs more investment into her team (I guess March is much worse than Topaz in this team), and just because of that I would not say Acheron is less viable. She is still great in Apocalyptic Shadow and working in Pure Fiction.
@stribijev prydwen pushing acheron to t0.5 just cements it as the worst tierlist website ever, and putting Rappa in T1 (same as DHIL!) instead of T0.5 or heck even T0 is a testament to that too. Nobody should listen to Prydwen.
I don’t think we should listen to prydwen anymore but anyways can you tell me your acheron team? And which half of the moc that your feixiao couldn’t clear in time? Bc if it’s the first half that your feixiao couldn’t clear with your f2p team then it’s normal bc the first half is not made for her but if you can’t clear on the second half then it’s not normal bc the second half is literally made for her she easily clears like a 3 cycle clear with a f2p team on the second half. And which half of the moc can your acheron clear in time? I want to know what team you used to clear the second half with acheron if you did bc I cantttttt
When I spoke about Acheron clearing "her half", I meant the 12-1 floor. I cleared 12-2 with Boothill. This video is available on my @Gachablazer YT account. My Feixiao has some not so good relics anyway, so I may just need to farm for luck a couple more months.
She's definitely not better than Rappa. Rappa can do *way* more damage *way* more quickly than Yunli, at least the way I see it anyway. I haven't seen a showcase were Yunli can do even comparable damage to Rappa, let alone Acheron. However I'd love to be proven wrong, and also I'll say she's one of the best counters against Hoolay, and if we get more fast enemies in the future she'll be talked about way more.
1. Acheron 2. (Close second) Feixiao 3. Firefly 4. Boothill 5. Yunli (though it can also be rappa) I’m not considering 0 cycling, as that’s a bygone dream for most f2p players, and even if you use an e6 character, 0 cycles are not guaranteed. They’re mainly based on enemy lineup and lack of countering mechanics. If you did rate characters off of 0 cycling, then the whole list becomes a jumbled mess because each phase of MOC has a “best” character for the phase.
This is cope. No way you can actually argue Feixiao isn't the top dps with her current team. Her MOC and AS stats are by far the fastest cycles on average and blows everyones out the water. This is coming from someone that doesn't have Feixiao.
@@FriedDoggy Not cope, just retrospective. Acheron had the fastest clear times on her release too, so did firefly, boothill, rappa/argenti in their pref gamemode (PF), DHIL, Jingliu, Seele. You are 100% overdosing on cope if you believe Feixiao's performance currently is characteristic of her value long term. Hoyo has been quite literally spoon feeding FuA teams since robin's release, just look at the MOC lineups over the past 5 months. The reason why Acheron is higher in my opinion is because she has shown she has the ability to brute force through content NOT EVEN MEANT FOR HER more than half a year after her release: MOC, Pure Fiction, Apoc Shadow, Sim/Div uni, ST, blast, AoE. Feixiao, does not have the same luxury Acheron has of scaling that well into the future. Her teammate potential is limited to strictly FuA and AA units, whereas Acheron gets a potential new teammate anytime there is a debuff attached to them, her A4 abyss trace isn't even that important, considering one of her best teams for e0s0 and s1 is literally using robin+jiaoqiu and gallagher. Feixiao is a REALLY good unit, but her options are limited, and how bad is it going to be once the game starts moving away from catering to FuA? How is it going to be once the nihility and DoT meta comes in 3.0? How is it going to feel when more bosses gain linked HP? Counter mechanics? How is it going to feel once servants don't give feixiao a stack? (which mind you, is LITERALLY something that was confirmed by leakers. Servant actions don't give feixiao ult stacks)
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The reason why Rappa still does damage to enemies even when they aren’t broken is because her talent allows her to gain stacks of charge that are used up when ulting. These charge stacks allow you to deal break damage to all enemies, regardless if they are the ones who are broken or not.
An example of this would be the Loufu Arumaton that imprisons you. When he goes into his no toughness damage state, and summons the two fish, if Rappa breaks the two fish on the side, the next attack she does will deal break damage to him regardless of him actually being broken or not.
Thanks for the info! I thought I was going crazy.
Does that mean she'll always be dealing break damage as long as she's in her ult?
Would that give her an edge over Firefly and can she deal super break damage with that?
She looks so fun to play but I'm torn between her and Acheron since I just came back to the game, I stopped playing after Topaz release so I don't have any of the top tier support for both of them but Archeron seem more playable with low investment 😢
@vuluu5342 she won’t always deal break damage during her ult, only when she has charge stacks available before the 3rd hit of the Enhanced basic combo goes off.
When compared to Firefly, she is considerably less consistent, as she has no forcible implant in her kit, and character that help her break such as Gallagher, HMC, and Lingsha will still heavily rely on the enemy being weak to their preferred element to accelerate the process.
That being said, her damage ceiling when compared to Firefly is considerably higher, and she very easily can perform to a Firefly level, if not even better in most scenarios if given the correct conditions (weakness).
If you are considering Rappa, I would, at the bare minimum try to ensure picking up both Fugue (2.7) and Ruan Mei for her. They are absolutely massive, and the difference between having them on the team will feel night and day. Otherwise, I’d likely advise against pulling for Rappa from a pure meta perspective.
Acheron is in a very similar position to Rappa. Nowadays for Acheron to truly be ‘good’ you need to invest into a Jiaquo, and likely Fugue as well. She has other good substitute options like Pela, but frankly speaking compared to current meta monsters like Fei Xiao, she falls quite a bit behind the curve without her meta supports.
If I had to recommend one over the other, I’d say Rappa would be a better choice as it stands. We have no idea when Jiaqou will get his rerun, Acheron requires a more sizable investment to function to the degree you want her to, and her teams aren’t as easy to sustain compared to break teams. Despite being less consistent, most of the time she will hit that ‘good enough’ mark to clear, and when she can she will destroy the content with ease.
@@bronben5479 tks for your insight, between the 2 which would be a beter plug and play option?
Because as I mention, I don't have any of the support casts for them, the only supports I have rn is Tingyun and Pela, for substain I have Fue Xuan, and with my luck I don't think I can get both Rappa and Fugue in the next patch, LOL
@vuluu5342 For pure plug and play? If you have Pela and a Resolution LC + Trend of the Universal Market for Fu Xuan, probably Acheron, though don’t expect anything great. If you don’t have those two LCs, then Rappa is the better plug and play since Gallagher and HMC are free units, and you can get a Erudition LC from Herta shop.
Firefly and BootHill are the most valuable dps for their weakness implant. Especially for f2p players. Having ONE dps that can add a weakness implant so you don’t have to struggle with MOC or bosses with a specific weakness element is a game changer. Firefly legit SAVED me during early game content. Acheron is amazing for exploration and SU but not necessary unless you want her.
Yes, Firefly and Boothill are incredibly valuable because of their weakness implant.
However don't forget that Acheron also completely ignores weaknesses. We are talking about F2Ps here though, and for low investment F2P accounts superbreak is the strongest.
Difference between ff and boothill is, BH does huge damage without superbreak meanwhil FF is technically married to HMC. Its not a case to argue though since HMC is free for everyone 😅
All fun and games until they release enemies that could lock their toughness, 😭 ( pls don't)
Well ff has a big difference in weakness implant and aoe unlike boothill only good against single target boss, Boothill weakness implant is mid.@@GettieJC
Boothill being one of the 2 hunt characters in the top 5 dps characters makes me happy
He deserves it 🫡
makes me happy that a really fun character in the story is also good in the meta
bootyhill destroying the enemies' bootycheeks
If only boothill was multi target, oh well 😅
@@bloonbrawler9872 ngl I would argue Yunli taking Boothils spot at least until a certain character comes out in a few months
I ultimately agree with basically everything said.
However I think you're really brushing off the fact that it *really really* depends on the current endgame cycle going on. Unless you have Jiaoqiu, then Acheron is much weaker than Feixiao in this cycle, on the contrary if the enemy has Lightning weakness but no Wind weakness Acheron is going to be much better, especially if there are 2 or more enemies.
And the fact that Rappa is as good as Acheron in the showcases because the next MoC cycle is highly tailored for her specifically.
Agreed, I should've put more emphasis on that.
Bottom line is: everyone will benefit hugely from having any one of these characters in their account
@@mooseoncaffeine or have firefly and just roll face over keyboard and win. Regardless what weakness is there.
@EnjoyGengar true.
@@EnjoyGengar Nah, FF needs Ruan Mei/HTB just like Acheron needs JQ/+other debuffers and Feixiao needs Robin/Topaz. Honestly, Adventurine is the only char that is pretty much universal and self reliant.
@@sphong0610 you only need ruan mei with you should have by now the other 2 are free LUL.
The best dps is the next limited 5 star.
I have E2 Acheron, E2 Firefly and E2 Feixiao with alm their best supports
Id probably rank them as :
1. Feixiao
2. Firefly (Could change places with Feixiao delending on the MOC)
3. Acheron
Feixiao is insane. She has the highest single target damage in the game while also having a team that demolishes AOE scenarios with multiple eiltes because she can run a sub DPS. She also synergizes perfectly with Robin, the best harmony in the game. Just for context, Robin is BIS for teams that arent even FUA, so any DPS that takes full advantage of her buffs would in obviously be broken
Firefly is similar. Her entire team is boosted by superbreak, and that E2 is straight out of SU. So she deals damage that rivals hypercarries while her teammates also deal significant damage
Acheron is versatile but suffers from the fate all hypercarries do. Her teammates dont contribute much to the total damage at all, and you can only oush your hypercarry much. Its obvious she would fall slightly behind. But still, with her best team, she is also a string pick for virtually any content
You literally nailed it brother
Try Boothill. 1 enhanced basic = 1 Feixiao's ult.
Thanks you for correcting him
@@kokoro212after you break the enemy, by the time he did that feixiao alredy cleaned the whole wave
I agree. And ppl hype up acheron but ALWAYS forget that she violently depends on her lc, which makes her sooo much harder to gear up. Her being the only nihility who can take advantage of that weapon as well doesn’t help
Its physical trailblazer everyone fears the bonkeron
I'm new to HSR, and your channel is probably the most informative. :)
Thanks for the support, and glad I'm helping! 🫡
It's hard not to have a strongest dps list without some biasness in the mix, but I feel the most egregious case of it was when mentioning that FF and Boothill and Rappa needs Ruan mei or they will suffer massive performance decline but not mention it as an issue for Feixiao with robin or Acheron with Jiaoqiu. I agree that the aforementioned break dps would need ruan mei to get their dmg out, but boothill is actually the exception to that rule because his dmg isn't tied to superbreak but break exclusively (dmg isn't determined on toughness dmg dealt).
If this list is noting everyone as e0s1 with optimal teams then feixiao has to be the best dps objectively, but if we aren't favoring most optimal teams then boothill will have to take that spot since that unit quite literally functions with every unit that helps him achieve his goal (pela, hunt march, luka, The other dps in the list lmao, hanya, and hmc). boot really only needs one of his 3 bis sups (hmc, ruan mei, or bronya) to be an exceptional 0-cycle unit.
Now with that out of the way, valuing PF as a game mode, is the only way I see acheron being the "best" dps because she does function is all game modes admittedly tho her PF is a bit lack luster but better than the rest of the cast except Rappa. Even though Rappa is the worst PF premium unit (jade and argenti is better).
good video I must say, but team restrictions are a huge turn off for me when it comes to determining who to put on my account, so this is why i value boothill to be the best dps due to his self-reliance and versatility of his bis teammates. Surprisingly, Acheron would also technically be here as well since she functions alright without jiaoqiu for now, but she suffers from the S1 plague more so than her competition.
"Break units need Ruan mei (universal t0 support that everyone should have)" Apparently is bad. Meanwhile Acheron needs jioaqiu (more niche unit who mainly works for Acheron teams with minor uses outside) is not valid in knocking Acheron down.
Feixiao doesn't need Robin. She honestly works with tons of characters.
Acheron is buffed quite significantly with jiaoqiu, but she doesn't need him either :) She can ult a lot without him too, and still deals pretty insane damage+ults often.
The reason FF+Boothill+Rappa need Ruan Mei is because without her, they do REALLY low damage. In Firefly's first MOC (designed for her ofc), clearing it with FF, but with no Ruan Mei, takes 6-7 cycles longer (iirc).
That gap has only increased with time. Feixiao and Acheron can still clear without their best supports, but FF and the break dudes do NEED Weakness Efficiency.
Editted cause I totally overreacted ongod :( mb lol, tired
@@HSRMOC The issue is that break teams REQUIRE your universal support in their team. So, the Ruan Mei you were using in your non-break team (like say, DPS), gets stolen. Now you need a replacement.
@lovestruck3328 Now, I know you don't know what you are talking about. Boothill with or without Ruan mei changes his dmg 0. He has no superbreak, so his dmg doesn't scale off of Ruan mei existing. Also, it's shocking to see a feixiao defender blatantly lie about feixiao not needing Robin when every main on reddit and every CC is telling you to pull Robin first to determine if you can play feixiao. Same way how every main and CC will tell you to pull Ruan mei first before considering FF or Rappa. Their performance will plummet without the core piece.
Just to clarify my points, Ruan mei simplifies boothill's gameplay (trust he needs it for how data looks, lmao.), you agree with me that acheron sees a sizeable difference in performance but still is a contender without him at e0s1 specifically, and feixiao is gimped without Robin (half your dmg gone). I will elaborate that feixiao can make do without Robin by sticking a 3rd dps into the team lmao, but will still suffer a decent loss in performance. Hopefully, this clears everything up about why I have my views.
@@pieman2025 Hi. :) The thing with Boothill not needing Ruan Mei is literally just semantics and its not true anyway.
He takes so much longer to ramp up without Ruan Mei's BEfficiency, so his general damage output drops by about half, since he's spending so long building up his Trickshots, and then he needs to shoot down a boss's break bar 3 times instead of 2, and it becomes a very slow slog. + Ruan Mei gives absurd Res Pen too :P
So yeah. Semantics, and you're not arguing with me about the other two. Those are genuinely impossible to play without RM. So. That works.
Anyways, the point I was making was that breakers plummet to extremely low damage without Ruan Mei... But without Robin, Feixiao is still VERY very viable.
You are "sacrificing" extra damage by not having Robin, but even without, she is entirely playable and above average.
TLDR: In short, with Robin, Feixiao is one of the two best DPSes in the game. Without, she can still be played. The same cannot be said for breakers.
Regardless of ranks, you're editing and explanations are super concise and helpful. Props to you buddy
Thanks! I appreciate it. 🫡❤️
wonderful video moose
Thank you, have a wonderful day yourself. 🫡❤️
id argue yunli should be a top 5 dps, she is one of the top dpses in every game mode
She's great, but in ApocShadow she can't do much when the boss is knocked down.
Also, I haven't seen a showcase where her damage is comparable to Rappa or Acheron, yet anyway.
Though she is definitely one of the best counters (pun intended) for Hoolay, and if we get more and more fast enemies like him she will definitely have a more set in stone place in the meta.
Absolurely. She’s top 4. She is the most versatile dps in the game. If we go off of how well each dos performs in all gamemodes.
1. Feixiao
2. Boothill
3. Firefly
4. Yunli
5. Acheron.
In overall versatility, she’s better than boothill and firefly, but she falls short of the versatility of Acheron, and the dmg output of boothill and feixiao. She’s definitely a really good 5th or 4th slot.
(Incase you ask why, Yunli doesn’t have a way to ignore weakness which is present in pretty much any modern 5 star DPS. While she does take hoolay out on a dog walk, the hoolay side also provides the perfect reason why she isn’t top 3. The typing, the monkey and the shadow in phase 1 are absolutely awful for her.)
@@mooseoncaffeinebet give me a few days, youll have a yunli showcase
@@pally3370 I don't fully agree. I think Yunli is almost if not just as versatile than Acheron given all of the game modes. I argue that Yunli is t0 in MoC AND t0 in PF but t1 in apoc shadow. Acheron is t0.5 in MoC and Apoc and t0.5 in PF. Just my opinion. But Acheron doesn't have the damage capabilities of yunli while also being matched very closely in versatility. Also Acheron requires way more investment in the form of Jiaqiu and signature, you also want her e2
IMO yunli is better than both boothill and rappa, especially with s1. Shes good in every game mode, much like acheron. Her damage is really good with her empowered ultimate counter. Her only downside is that she needs enemies to hit her to do her damage, but thats not unlike how firefly and boothill are shit out of luck against enemies that lock out their weakness bar. Shes also goated against second half MOC 12 because of how often hoolay attacks.
okay but kafka is hotter than acheron so im gonna use her
just use both
I destroyed that aventurine boss with them
And black swan for good measure
Imagine if revived fox lady is a dot support and not break
@@mooseoncaffeine e6 black swan so any ally attack inflicts debuff
rappa ult state eba has colorless weakness break but 50% on non imaginary. game's a waifu collector unless you go for zero cycles, it's only as hard as you want it to be since they give you 10 cycles.
Truthfully the tier lists don't really matter much tbh because of 2 teams. There's like what 30 characters but you only "need" 8? An easy solution is making another endgame mode that requires a 3rd team and they could even allow what Divergent Universe does with unbuilt characters (bring them up to level 80, give moderate relics and a decentish LC).
That will make it possible to clear some but not all and still be fair enough for "newish" players
Feixiao does not struggle in PF, with eagle set she easily achieves 40k in all PF rotations while being off-element. Feixiao's only weakness currently is five-target break focused bosses like AS Sunday.
Yep I've seen a couple others mention Feixiao with the Eagle set. Seems I was underestimating her. 🔥🫡
Still, I'd take Acheron for versatility because of the -20% res.
@@mooseoncaffeine You should check out some good PF showcases on Bilibili, regardless of whether you prefer Acheron or not. Would be a good reference for future videos!🔥
Rather than having e1/2 as the difference, its the team members thats gonna matter the most
True, I did put up some text that said it 100% matters depending on who you have on your account.
If we're talking about pure damage from the main dealer: Acheron
If we're talking about overall team: Feixiao
If we're talking about ease of use: Firefly
If we're talking about fun: Rappa and Boothill
My favorite dps's that were mentioned in the vid are Feixiao and Firefly. Feixiao's team and personal damage is really good and I love the Shunko ult. Firefly is really easy to use and I'm just a sucker for mech suits lol
Sidenote: Not having JQ for Acheron nowadays feels really rough 😅
I can say for sure my strongest characters are my E2S1 Firefly and Feixiao. I love that their E2 is not just larger numbers, but more action overall.
Honestly it's a race to see who has the best premium supports
Acheron was arguably far weaker than firefly before jiaqiu and probably will yet again fall behind by the release of "fuge"
And acheron is much more LC and E2 dependant that firefly is
Yep, Fugue is either gonna make Acheron worse than superbreak again or just buff both Superbreak and Acheron the same amount, depending on how much def% reduction her skill has. We'll have to see.
@@mooseoncaffeine leaks came out for her recently, as it stands, it doesn’t bring firefly above feixiao/acheron’s level, however it DOES bring firefly closer, but we’re still waiting on boothill showcases.
Unfortunately, break has the terrible fate where it’s actually better to run a sustain rather than sustain less, because of the added toughness damage that sustain provides is crucial for actually being able to break and deal damage to the enemy. Most recent showcases using fugue are versus bosses that don’t have high toughness (like Svarog) so I’m still waiting on hoolay showcase at e0.
@pally3370 yep, I saw them and was insanely disappointed with Fugue's performance, its literally better to just run Lingsha instead. She's definitely receiving a buff if they truly want to sell or or make break better..
I think Rappa is a pretty useless pickup if you have Firefly or Acheron, but otherwise she's wayy better than the doomers are saying, as this video says she's in the top 5.
Even if you have Firefly, getting both Rappa and Fugue means you can have 2 superbreak teams, and that's definitely a way to destroy the whole game.
real ones pull fugue to make lingsha an even better DPS
I have both Firefly and Acheron, but still went for Rappa. Managed to get E1S1.
dare i say boothill needing ruanmei is a myth.. well half a myth. to elaborate on that i do believe she enhances his dmg and delays the enemy that paired with boothill ult is insane. Moreover i dont have ruan sadly but he’s still able to whip the floor with ease especially with his signature. Maybe its cuz i already gave him a crazy shit load of break states and speed but i always love to appreciate how much he can shine and get the job done incredibly well and fast without his bis support
Acheron best Dps as she can save up op buffers for your second archetype team like Robin, Ruan, Sparkle and gets better as more nihility are released, even though Jiaoqiu is her bis nihility, imagine a all general nihility that does defense shred on a higher scale than silver wolf and is AoE? plus unlike kafka who needs DoT, Acheron just needs debuffs and there's ton's to go around which is why I main her because no matter how difficult the game gets, Acheron can be a last resort to brute force just in case, firefly or fei xiao are roughly equal imo but it's a fact Fei Xiao's premium team is better at faster clears, firefly's is better at f2p friendliness as you can output that dps on lower investment while acheron is an IN GENERAL dps that can go anywhere and kill, single target, aoe, break focused enemies because nihility characters can shred down toughness the most outside of break, and can still do damage regardless of toughness lock, I do disagree with fei xiao being the most f2p friendly dps though as that's firefly's position
Please correct me if i am wrong but with Trend LC on FX or aventurine does not proc with JQ. So say the enemy attacks the preservation character with trend, they will proc JQ ashen stack granting one stack for Acheron, but will not be able to also proc trends. I do believe if the character attacks twice, the second attack (if targeting the preservation character) the JQ ashen wont proc but the Trend will.
Is this still correct, and if so is Trend LC still needed in a Acheron JQ team?
You have the answer to your own question. If the enemy has multiple hits in a single turn, use it. If not, you're free to choose another LC.
Great video, I agree with everything, Acheron is definitely the strongest
I wouldn't say Feixiao struggles in pure fiction. Ever since she came out, her team (Feixiao, Robin, Aven, March) clears for me everything with ease at 40k points
@rosseancollins1823 hmm, I see. She'd be even better with the FUA buffs. Pure Fiction is also getting changes that will make basically every character better.
Maybe Feixiao and Acheron will become more or less equal, but is still think Acheron has a slight versatility edge because of the -20% All-Type RES.
This video is absolute cinema
You forget Yunli.
With Jiaoqiu/Robin/Huohuo she normally cause Single Target 450k ~ 500k
Yeah I'm definitely gonna make a video about Yunli too. Many people are mentioning her.
Doesn’t have the break everything the others have.
Yep. All that sounds about right.
Though I'm not certain it's Ruan Mei specifically that Firefly needs, so much as two dedicated supports that assist with break. It's going to be interesting what that second break support is going to do and whether or not it's exchangeable enough to allow players a choice whether to swap out Ruan Mei or Harmony Trailblazer, or just force people to chose between HMC and [explitive deleted] Either way, I expect the ceiling to go up at that point and then the Break and FUA teams to probably go for a while without a major update.
Yeah Fugue will definitely be a huge upgrade to Superbreak, the future meta all looks very fun.
If you need damage, HMC is easily the more important part, if you just want break efficiency then ruan mei.
There have already been calcs regardless of the multipliers given by Fugue that it's a major drop off in damage if u take out Ruan Mei. A break dps is different than ur typical crit dps. Break dps doesn't do damage until enemies are weakness broken. Much more so are the super break dps. Taking out Ruan Mei slows down the process of dealing superbreak dmg HARD. An example is a Fugue + RM + Lingsha + FF can 0 cycle Hoolay (based into calcs and simulation) but same can't be said to Fugue + HMC. Fugue HMC just doesn't break Hoolay fast enough. Not to mention, taking out Lingsha, who contributes to a major toughness reduction, would be an unwise move
@@AristineSilvanusI don't put any weight in pre-release calculations. Additionally speed tuning and proper use of timing is a concern that calculations don't consider here. Additionally, Fugue's own damage pushes Ruan Mei's contribution down, specifically in situations where the additional delay doesn't factor past the additional 15% already provides. The truth is, the shorter the fight is, the better Fugue gets due to the up front contribution of damage and the way the speed breakpoints land, especially if you're E2 Fugue. But it does raise optimal gear requirements.
Hello, I want to start Honkai Star Rail soon, so do you advise to pull for Rappa, Dan Heng Inhibitor Lunae, Acheron, Aventurine, Sunday or Fugue? What would be your priority order as a list?
@notaleagueplayer220 I recommend Acheron first and foremost, then try getting Aventurine. I don't recommend Rappa, Dhil, or Fugue for new players. As for update 2.7, then I recommend getting Sunday. Good luck!
You can at least get 2 five stars in this period.
@@mooseoncaffeine Thx
@@mooseoncaffeine ty for this!" i just started as well and was looking for this awnser!
I have Acheron and i will be going for Fugue, after that Boothill and full Acheron eidolons
@@Ab-gi1te Good luck, may your pities be early.
@@mooseoncaffeine i have 50 pulls, what You recomend me more, pull for Acheron e2 unless i lose a 50/50 or full Fugue? Bcz Fugue eidolons are broken for being a Ruan Mei and a Robin together
Is your acheron S1? If not, get her LC.
@@ABC-yj6cy ima day 1 player bro, obviously i have it s1 B))
@@Ab-gi1te Definitely for Fugue, more characters will almost always be better than more eidolons. Acheron's eidolons are crazy but support eidolons are almost guaranteed to be better.
20:07 as an acheron and she is my fav character I dont agree she do great dmg ofc but her ultimate is very hard to get and firefly do insane damage everytime she use her skill so u dont need to get the ultimate a lot like acheron so achern indeed do more damage but firefly is way better(I never tried fexiao or tried to understand her kit so I wont talk about her)
Topaz for me, not because of the highest damage, but because of her kits. Best with Feixiao. Safer run with Aventurine. Debuff faster for Acheron. Breakbuild somehow works with Firefly. Good synergies with other kits who gain stack from ally's (Robin's uptime, March talent, etc.). Elation is fun to play in a simulated universe. Also have BPLC just in case future mechanics need to spam dispel. Only 2 things she can't fit are dot team and normal hypercarry, except she is the carry one.
WHERE IS DR RATIO. on one side Im happy cause of firefly but I feel like boothill and Dr ratio do the same dmg in there best team. Besides that cool vid dude
Unfortunately he doesn't do 500k+ (optimally) back to back to back. Boothill does 🔥🙏
I never in my life see ratio one tap hoolay the day he does compare him to boothill
@@Boot_hil-l damn harsh shit but I feel like Dr ratio is easier to play and he does pretty decent dmg Soo it's a dhil vs jingliu situation cause I know damn well boothill ain't gonna 1 shot hoolay
@@8lolbit59 you are comparing a none stop skill point issue to a ramp up you can get in two turns and just keep it to end without problems it's not my guy like boothill isn't that hard you just need to use your head and you wouldn't hit a moment where you can't actually use his power dhl without sp
@@Boot_hil-l sp issues where bro and in 2 turns Dr ratio can get 15 crit rate and 30 crit dmg also boothill being a break unit means she is looked into physical type enemies (yes he does implant with his ult but his ult takes 2-3 turns to get).
Yunli should be on this list. She is pretty much the Boothill to Firefly just compared to Feixiao.
Yep, Im going to make a video about her. Many people are talking about her.
Waiting for dot meta to comeback...
Edit: What I mean by meta to comeback is having a dedicated support and maybe a dedicated sustain.
One idea in mind for DoT dedicated support something that would not decrease the stacks of dot ONLY for the next enemy turn. So when an enemy has 20 Blackswan stacks and it's their turn, the stacks will explode like normal but will still maintain 20 stacks. And when you stack it to 40 and the enemy move, it will explode and restart the stack all over again. As for the general support stuff, let her do reduce enemy resistances and increase allies speed when an enemy is weakness broken. Any element on her is fine, but fire or probably physical would be most likely one (Since blind fox and amnesia fox are both fire nihility).
Second idea for the sustain is I read an interesting comment about vampiric dot which gives me an idea. the sustain would give DoT stacks to enemy up to 25-30 and every time this explode/proc, it would heal allies based on the unit attack and stacks and give them energy proportional to the amount of stacks (The energy is only if the stacks proc/explode naturally from enemy action). As for their general use, would still be related to DoT where they can increase her dot stack and detonate her own type of DoT (But not giving the energy). Also, their DoT can only be on one enemy, you can imagine how broken this would be without any restriction.
Edit 2: Sorry for the DoT tangent even though the video isn't about that, lol. Praying 3.X would be the meta of DoT alongside summons.
As a DHIL main i felt neglected
Same… he fell off so hard but I don’t have any other dps and I’m already too invested in his team to pull for someone else..
Agreed. I hate to admit that E0 DHIL fell off too hard.
But E2 DHIL is a different story. He still Heng in there with other top E2s. I would even argue that E2 DHIL is the most versatile among them.
@@dontawanpitaktotally right
That feeling when your favorite character gets mentioned in the video 😊
Acheron no 1 dps in 2.5? Please tell me this is a joke lmao. Heck, shes not even top 3 anymore lol.
meanwhile im here trying to fully max out jing yuan's potential
Blud is going to war with the firefloppers
I'd say acheron is the best I have her at C3 and she does absolutely ridiculous dmg to anything totally destroys anything. Feixiao is really cool and great single target but Id say firefly is the solid 2nd, since she can just ignore pretty much all weaknesses but just the fact to bring out her full DPM you need Ruan mei and Stelle.
I will help to boost your video
Tbh, I have a stacked account on phone. There, Feixiao and Firefly are the strongest, Acheron and Rappa are second. I have all sigs except Feixiao and she's still a beast. I miss only Boothill (and Jade/Argenti). On ps5 I have E1S1 Rappa (on a a fresh account to play other characters like Gepard, Clara and such). She eats every enemy with little to no effort even on lvl60. Rappa is seriously underrated.
You're really under selling how much Feixao accelerates her stacks its more then twice as fast if you have team mates like topaz or aven. Where basically everything topaz does is a full stack. And all these fuas pushing up the already insanely fast numby. Cause its fua= stack not 2 actions.
My e6 Acheron has cleared so much content without me thinking, it’s kinda crazy ngl
Right now they are all pretty equal but with stingyun break will be in class of its own above the others
Also I can imagine fugue super break with ACHERON and jiaquo.,
I don’t have only firefly I agree with you if you talk about full 5 star only team.But If it’s E0S0 it’ll be different.
E0S0 f2p team
1.Feixiao
2.Firefly
3-4.Boothill rappa
5.Acheron
E0S0 with 1 other 5 star characters
1.Acheron with Jiaoqiu
2.Feixiao with Robin or Topaz
3.Firefly with Ruanmei
4-5.Boothill and Rappa with Ruanmei
ya man comepletely agree with that , out of all acheron have proved the most that she can brute force any content in game, doesnt matter it favor her or not , other dps have entire endgame aroud them which makes their performance better , there real test will come in 3.0
Great editing on this one, Moose!
Also: I agree! The way I'd sum it up between Feixiao and Acheron is that Acheron is the current strongest DPS, but Feixiao is the current strongest F2P-friendly DPS.
Feixiao has a lot going for her from a F2P perspective. She can take advantage of the 5* Herta LC, and the latest 4-star characters (also arguably the best 4-star characters we've ever seen in the game) work with her really really well, with March being straight up 100% free. Even her premium teammates are among the "must-pull" characters you'd probably want to get anyways.
Acheron might be stronger and more versatile, but at a cost. She needs her LC and you'll probably have to pull for JQ (who is a teammate you're probably pulling specifically for Acheron, and probably won't use much elsewhere).
Her F2P options aren't the greatest and she has no 100% free teammates like March or TB.
Of course, a LC and a 5* teammate aren't crazy requirements, but it still needs more investment and commitment.
That's why in my eyes Acheron takes the crown for strongest DPS, but Feixiao is the queen of F2P DPS.
Thanks, Victoria!
Yep I think you summed it up very well, I 100% agree.
Feixiao is definitely one of the best additions to the game, she makes the meta so much healthier because she's so easy to invest into.
Honestly glad that March is getting so much attention in the meta, too. I was about to pull Feixiao just to make my March that much stronger but Lingshas hands were looking at me a certain way.
I have a question, can I use Robin instead of ruan mei with firefly? Or if not, are there any other options
Speaking about floors and ceilings, this is a more important factor to me. Building characters with Crit and SPD like Feixiao and Acheron takes ages, even if following the "relic manipulation" strategies. So, low entry with Boothill and Firefly makes them top 1 and 2 places. Acheron comes 3rd and I can't care less about Feixiao (at least right now.)
As for me, I moreso enjoy building characters with Crit because I feel more accomplished getting good crit stats than 290 break effect.
I got 290 break effect in one day on my firefly, literally.
@@mooseoncaffeine WOW, 290 BE is crazy high, I have 177 on my Boothill and he is my best boss killer so far.
This is such an controversial topic but usually the best characters of the game are the ones who lasts forever when meta changes every month.
So it's hard to define who is the best if the next new characters top their spots in that category.
I venture forth to hunt
do another one but for supports
@@Matsu1_ Robin > Ruan Mei > Sunday when he comes out > Sparkle > Jiaoqiu > Fugue when she comes out > Bronya > Tingyun > Pela
Remember the name: Raiden Mei
Glad to see we have 1 Erudition in the top 5 dps characters
for me the feixiao girl that has white hair is the strongest dps
Forget about the video and use DoT Team for more challenging content!
The number 1 best?
Short Answer?: FF
Long Answer?: Fire "Oak Cake rolls" Fly
lol statement middfly cant do anything
Firefly is mid she is for casuals she can’t compare at high level play she has horrible scaling
@@amrianachfa5654 bruh why people trash talk about FF. Fugue's kit is already leaked and that Nihility looks like 4 Harmonies. It will be nerfed obviously but Robin *was* Broken now.
@@mauriciorosademoraes9209 firefly is probably the most downplayed character either because they wanted SAM to be a guy and or because they need to justify skipping the arguably most broken character
@@donew1thita11 she literally clears everything easily and her scaling is all ATK% BE% making it the easiest character to build
Coping is fine but outright denial of this level is crazy
"Imaginary Erudition" is pretty hard to say fast😅
What screaming 4362 scripted words into a bad mic does to a mf
almost as hard as silverwolf
Just my opinion but acheron definitely relies alot more on her Eildons and lightcone then anyone else on this list. I've tried using each DPS besides rappa since i don't have her and keep seeing my acheron under performing. While FF for example benefits alot from ruan mei, Ruan mei is used in alot of teams outside of break and she all you realistically need no extra copys and no 5 star lightcone Gallagher is a four star and harmony mc is free while JQ is a five star unit that isn't really used outside of acheron teams, acheron also needs her lightcone or Eildons to shows decent results
im interested to see how rappa performs when she goes live, but due to her lower toughness damage to anything not imaginary, i think she may struggle more than the other 2 break dps. (not to downplay her crazy numbers in the right scenario though)
Yeah she's going to be incredibly strong, especially in the MoC and ApocShadow rotations dedicated to her, but as soon as there are no imaginary weak enemies she will be much weaker than Firefly.
Rappa will definitely perform when she comes out. That's how MoC is designed to make players think and feel that new units are broken.
Imo the current top five for this moc are 5.acheron 4.firefly 3.boothill 2.rappa 1.feixiao Acheron easily beats the first half but firefly and rappa clears the first half easier. Rappa is better than firefly in this moc bc there are five enemies and the enemies have both fire and imaginary weakness if the enemies don’t have both fire and imaginary weakness firefly would be better. Boothill and feixiao easily beat the second half Boothill 2 shots the boss but still I think feixiao is better and easier to use to clear this moc’s second half
The only thing I disagree with is that your heavily undervaluing BH super break. I've used him with rm htb and Gallagher since his release and the team has never done me wrong. Bronya is definitely not needded
You misunderstand, I'm not dismissing Boothill superbreak as it's still very strong and will do *basically* the same thing Boothill break does. But, as I've been corrected many times by many Boothill mains, using Bronya instead of TB will be that much better.
Funnily enough the only thing in this video that I don't quite agree with is Robin being better than Ruan Mei. I pretty much agree with everything said, but I do think Rappa has a slight advantage over Boothill because of her AoE. I agree that they're pretty much equal otherwise, but if Firefly is getting buffed with Fugue then I'm guessing Rappa is too (pure speculation cuz I didn't look at leaks of Fugues kit) in which case the difference between Rappa and Boothill will be a lot clearer.
Rappa V5 came out what!!!? The website that i use is bugged and i can't see if was a buff in Rappa Break Tenacity. But if is, then she is mega buffed.
Apparently it didn't make any changes, just some rewordings, if I remember correctly.
16:50 what is blud talking about? Apoc Shadow is THE break game mode. Wdym without these break buffs, it's literally about breaking the boss.
Plus from my personal experience, u are tripping if u think Acheron is stronger than Firefly. These days, I personally feel like Acheron is quite lacking in terms of doing dmg when compared to either Firefly Superbreak comps and Feixiao FUA comps. So much so that Acheron has been biting the dust ever since Feixiao released. Heck, when Yunli released, Acheron feels like she's already lacking.
ApocShadow has been the break gamemode because it always has break buffs. Plus superbreak characters benefit the most from that huge action delay the boss gets. So yes, any superbreak character is going to be very strong there, just less so without the buffs. Look at the DoT buff that made Kafka and Black Swan just the best against Phantylia in ApocShadow. Buffs have an INSANE role.
And from my personal experience, Acheron is definitely still the best. I think you're seeing her be less useful because of the endgame cycles. Without her though, I wouldn't have cleared anything in the last MoC, PF or ApocShadow. You can see the insane damage I was doing vs the Aventurine boss, in a *DoTcheron* team.
I won't tell you Firefly isn't good though, she is absolutely insane, and it's great you're enjoying her. 🫡
@@mooseoncaffeine nuh uh. Idk about you but I run Acheron Jiaoqiu and that comp barely does 30k. May it be last PF or current PF.
Plus did u miss playing the 2.4 Apoc Shadow or even the current one? The buffs are majorly for FUA. Even if that was the case, it still requires the breaking of toughness due to the steadfast safeguard mechanic being present on all 3. Even for someone who has E2S1 Acheron, I can confidently say she's not upto par with Feixiao or Firefly. I mean if u want to believe that Acheron is stronger then u do u! Just saying, that for someone who vertically invested on he comps of these 3, Acheron has been seen with the sizable decrease in performance.
Kafka is still #1 in my ❤️
Feixiao is tier 0 for a reason. I'd crown FuA and Fei as the best in game in my eyes by design
feixiao and follow team is so much better than acheron teams en any game mode, even in PF u can just slot a herta and the synergy is there is really good team
I can't wait for Fugue to lauch Firefly into the stratosphere, the fact that she's about to get buffed its actually pure insanity and I'm all here for it
IMO if you are going to consider the character's game mode coverage to argue acheron is better than Fei and FF then it seems unfair to exclude Yunli from this list, as she is one of the most consistent character in the game, and would probably deserve at least a 4th place here
Dmg potential wise I think it's boothill Trump's all
me who had wished for jingliu and depended on her a lot, after not playing the game for quite a while I come back to see this many new charas and jingliu isn't in the best dps list anymore
7:28 he does however get outgoing healing bonus based on his break effect but sure
True, but I feel an ERR rope would be better in this use case. You can get more than enough BE from substats.
my list looks sumthn like
1. acheron
2. feixiao
3. rappa
4. firefly
5. kafka
bc even tho dot teams are in a lull rn it has so much room for improvement in the future over a single target break crit dps if we had a physical nihility character that could make dots crit then dot would be back in the meta so hard
Guys this question is pointless. I’m the strongest dps everyone already knows that.
I think it is unfair to judge Feixiao's performance in PF after only one rotation of the game mode since her release, in which she is able to get 40k on side 1 with Robin, Aventurine and March 7th. The buff this time around doesn't even benefit FUA or single target DPS, such as the shatter me mechanic which has enabled other hunt characters to max clear at least one side.
I only suffer in pure fiction. What should i do?
Get Rappa.
What about jingliu pls tell me that my e0 s2 jingliu isn’t useless😢😢😢
@amosrien get Sunday and she'll become better.
Ain't no way people still think Acheron is the best when she's only seen nowadays with life support of s1 and Jiaoqiu, and sometimes even needs e2. Like wow she's good in pf (*with S1 and Jiao) and she can clear on the same level as the other 4 in AS (*with S1 and Jiao). It's time for people to accept that not being able to utilise harmony properly is her fault and like with dot, you can't wait for an imaginary unit to come along and save your archetype. Bar for bar all 4 of these dps outperform her in each of their respective areas. Some in multiple of these. The jack of all trades, master of none. It's time to acknowledge powercreep and move on to other dps rather than clinging to a 5th place dps as if she's still the best whilst futily attempting to simultaneously fix and ignore her problems. It's over she is cooked.
Boothill, ff, and rapp are on top. Acheron and feixiao are 2nd.
DMC is the best dps and it's not even close
101%
Yeah, Vergil is chad unlike Acheron
Bro i don't agree when u say Acheron skill do more damge than jingliu enhanced skill 😮😮 5:35
This is a comment to help engagement
who to choose between acheron or feixiao ? i won't i'll just get both and take them as my dps in two teams
If you have neither id wait for 3.0 dps at this point
@@Dxminicy0 i feel you but i pull from the heart . So if 3.0 dps are boring to me i won't pull. I'm not much of a "meta player" . Don't know if i'm saying it right. And feixia and acheron are like my favorite characters so yeah
Going for e2 Lunae anyways 😂 Fun vid
Why cant i use sparkle for boothill?
@deadapple1700 Sparkle only advances 50% while Bronya advances by 100%. Sparkle has a bigger CD buff while Bronya has a bigger DMG% buff. Boothill doesn't make use of much CD, instead makes use of DMG% since he's a Break Effect character.
Finally, Sparkle doesn't have as strong of an ATK buff as Bronya in non mono-quantum teams.
Edit: Sparkle is better everywhere else though.
@@mooseoncaffeine Oh! This is an insightful guide, i had trouble understanding it before and this helped alot! Thank you!
The best DPS is actually jing yuan
No after Sunday t.0.5
@ghp2024y no, Sunday is a nerf to him
I'll main true herta sooo I'm bias xD
Lil bro acheron still deals less dmg vs lightning res enemies cuz her pen isnt 140%
Speaking about "now less viable": Prydwen decided to push Acheron to Tier 0.5 from Tier 0, and keep Feixiao in Tier 0. Which is so weird to me, when my E0 Acheron on S2 Good Night and Sleep Well still clears her half in time, and my E0 Feixiao (on S5 Cruising) team (Robin/March7th/Gallagher|Fu Xuan) cannot deal with their half in time. Which makes me think Feixiao needs much more investment in terms of relics than Acheron, she needs more investment into her team (I guess March is much worse than Topaz in this team), and just because of that I would not say Acheron is less viable. She is still great in Apocalyptic Shadow and working in Pure Fiction.
@stribijev prydwen pushing acheron to t0.5 just cements it as the worst tierlist website ever, and putting Rappa in T1 (same as DHIL!) instead of T0.5 or heck even T0 is a testament to that too. Nobody should listen to Prydwen.
I don’t think we should listen to prydwen anymore but anyways can you tell me your acheron team? And which half of the moc that your feixiao couldn’t clear in time? Bc if it’s the first half that your feixiao couldn’t clear with your f2p team then it’s normal bc the first half is not made for her but if you can’t clear on the second half then it’s not normal bc the second half is literally made for her she easily clears like a 3 cycle clear with a f2p team on the second half. And which half of the moc can your acheron clear in time? I want to know what team you used to clear the second half with acheron if you did bc I cantttttt
When I spoke about Acheron clearing "her half", I meant the 12-1 floor. I cleared 12-2 with Boothill. This video is available on my @Gachablazer YT account. My Feixiao has some not so good relics anyway, so I may just need to farm for luck a couple more months.
What about Yunli? She's for sure at the same level of Rappa if not better ..
She's definitely not better than Rappa. Rappa can do *way* more damage *way* more quickly than Yunli, at least the way I see it anyway. I haven't seen a showcase were Yunli can do even comparable damage to Rappa, let alone Acheron.
However I'd love to be proven wrong, and also I'll say she's one of the best counters against Hoolay, and if we get more fast enemies in the future she'll be talked about way more.
Saying superbreak not having high ceiling is a lie lmao. It has the highest ceiling.
firefly definitely gives the most comfort
Feixiao>firefly>acheron, and only in best case scenario, worst case scenario acheron is not even top 3
Agree heil the queen acheron
I fully agree with this ranking, which i honestly didn't expect. Very well done
1. Acheron
2. (Close second) Feixiao
3. Firefly
4. Boothill
5. Yunli (though it can also be rappa)
I’m not considering 0 cycling, as that’s a bygone dream for most f2p players, and even if you use an e6 character, 0 cycles are not guaranteed. They’re mainly based on enemy lineup and lack of countering mechanics. If you did rate characters off of 0 cycling, then the whole list becomes a jumbled mess because each phase of MOC has a “best” character for the phase.
This is cope. No way you can actually argue Feixiao isn't the top dps with her current team. Her MOC and AS stats are by far the fastest cycles on average and blows everyones out the water. This is coming from someone that doesn't have Feixiao.
@@FriedDoggy Not cope, just retrospective.
Acheron had the fastest clear times on her release too, so did firefly, boothill, rappa/argenti in their pref gamemode (PF), DHIL, Jingliu, Seele. You are 100% overdosing on cope if you believe Feixiao's performance currently is characteristic of her value long term. Hoyo has been quite literally spoon feeding FuA teams since robin's release, just look at the MOC lineups over the past 5 months. The reason why Acheron is higher in my opinion is because she has shown she has the ability to brute force through content NOT EVEN MEANT FOR HER more than half a year after her release: MOC, Pure Fiction, Apoc Shadow, Sim/Div uni, ST, blast, AoE. Feixiao, does not have the same luxury Acheron has of scaling that well into the future. Her teammate potential is limited to strictly FuA and AA units, whereas Acheron gets a potential new teammate anytime there is a debuff attached to them, her A4 abyss trace isn't even that important, considering one of her best teams for e0s0 and s1 is literally using robin+jiaoqiu and gallagher.
Feixiao is a REALLY good unit, but her options are limited, and how bad is it going to be once the game starts moving away from catering to FuA? How is it going to be once the nihility and DoT meta comes in 3.0? How is it going to feel when more bosses gain linked HP? Counter mechanics? How is it going to feel once servants don't give feixiao a stack? (which mind you, is LITERALLY something that was confirmed by leakers. Servant actions don't give feixiao ult stacks)