I get lucky by getting 5 copies of JY (E4) in like 150 pulls while trying to E6 TY that time. I always wondering why this luck cant be on other unit, but now his E1 and E4 gonna benefit a lot from sunday 😂
I like how the whole video mono quantum just sits comfortably in viable but never in the spotlight. A very accurate representation of its solid power but lack of focus by the community.
we really need a new quantum unit that isn't locked by either a gimmick(seele) or being a gambling addict(qingque) xueyi doesnt count since she prefers a break team rather than mono quantum
If they follow the current style of DPS characters and create a QUA DPS that can implant QUA weakness on the enemies, then we will probably also bench Silver Wolf.
Honestly my favorite dps, E2 Lunae, has aged liked fine wine, outside of pure fiction of course since in that mode the rules are all wacky and Herta is somehow a top tier dps. I’ve found that saving up and making a few hyper premium teams I enjoy playing and farming god artifacts on them is both more effective and fun than trying to keep up with the meta. Just my personal play style though. This is why almost all content creators view the game in a vastly different light to me. They assume that having E2 characters and being f2p or near it isn’t compatible. It is. I just have a much smaller roster of more powerful 5 stars.
@@viviblue7277 i play the same way as you lol. most efficient way imo. in genshin, many of my characters are c2s1 so i have like no premium 5*s. for hsr, i also invest a bit with many being e0s1 or e1s1. i do go e2s1 ff tho >:)
hes also my favourite! i got him e2s1 on his original banner and have never looked back. not once have i struggled with an moc since and then in 2.0 i got his e3 my standard team for him is luocha (e0s1), tingyun (e6, ddd), and ruan mei (e1 memories). just many skill points and constant 300k+ enhanced basics
I totally agree with you! I invest in the teams that i truly like, in my case i have an e1s1 ff and I’m aiming for her e2 in the future and to get fugue too, ff is my favorite character so i wanna have her in the best condition to be playable for future content
@@dominicwilliams214 i think if u like firefly or acheron, then go ahead and pull them. BUT, if u get firefly, though u do have harmony trailblazer, i would highly recommend either a fugue or ruan mei as the 2nd support. for acheron, she can do just fine but would really want a jiaoqiu. i would say, if any of the 3.x characters have piqued ur interest, perhaps pull sunday to prep for the future remembrance characters :) GLHF
I personally only pull for characters I like rather then following the meta, but yet meta still fascinates me. I honestly have a smaller roster of 5 stars (mostly because I've lost almost every 50/50 except for the super early Topaz and Firefly wins) but I honestly don't care. I also have like two 5 star signiture light cones for two of my absolute favorite DPS characters and I'm happy to spoil them!
thinking about it now, i probably shouldve shown the “average” great dmg during the different time periods, like how doing 60-80k was top tier during 1.4 and now during 2.6, 100-200k frequent attacks or 400+ for nukes is considered gud
Great Vid! its clear you've done your homework and is speaking from a position of knowledge of the meta and how it developed its super refreshing considering how a lot of the community just bicker without considering the wider picture and go with vibes to ascertain who is better etc... my one and only contention is that while JQ has yet to actually be recognized for his strengths, they absolutely are there, he effectively is allowing Acheron to stay relevant and is also a brilliant alternative to Topaz for Feixiao but more importantly Ratio who appreciates JQ's Debuffs greatly and struggles with Topaz pre E1/S1 even at higher eidolon investment JQ is equivalent if not outperforms Topaz in a Ratio Robin Aven/Gallagher comp a majority of the time outside this awesome vid would love to see more from you
wow ty for the comment :) I will say when making some of the charts, i legitimately would stare at my screen for like 10 minutes and be like “tf, something is wrong but i cant tell what”. though im pretty satisfied with the end result. had to change some stuff like half way through. for jiaoqiu, I do agree he is slept on right now. He is amazing for acheron no doubt and she’d be in a pretty bad spot rn without him. IMO rn, he is very similar to ruan mei. I think he excels at being the 3rd support in hypercarry/sustainless comp as the 2 other harmonies often give so much buffs, adding a third is much less beneficial than slapping a JQ/pela I personally think Robin is in her own tier after also using e1s1 ruan mei. BIS for fua, dot, and hypercarry if u can play it right. her ceiling is just so dam high but ofc can have a REALLY LOW floor. Ruan mei just has a high ceiling and floor. 😤
Man I love Jiaoqiu too but stop glazing him so much for Ratio, he's definitely competitive if not better for Ratio than Topaz when both are e0s0 but at e1s1 Topaz becomes MUCH better, not so much because of her buffs but rather for her personal damage, it gets pretty significant. Believe me I have both e1s1 and have tested them both multiple times. And yes I'm aware JQ's buffs affect Robin's damage but unless she has her s1 and a godly build I don't think it's so significant ngl...
@@owoflux6025 ill take your word for it that you're making a fair comparison since i don't have Topaz but Im saying what i am because of a showcase by a CC cornflakebutsilly that compared the two and JQ won convincingly, I'm sure the MOC itself also had a role to play in that result but tbf I said "equivalent or better" for me just looking at the general buff coverage etc.. 60 vulnerability field wide and 75 on ults that buffs both Aven and Robin vs Topaz's 50 only on FUAs only on 1 target and C.dmg buffs that ratio should already be diluted on I know that I'm going to prefer JQ over Topaz regardless even with her Topaz's own damage also on the buffing robin part i have her at E1S1 she does 50k per dmg proc vs 27-30k without JQ, With JQ my E0S1 Aven also hits something like 170k per ult, 100k per Fua and 90k per basic (40 form him 50 from Robin)
Is it me or the power creep with Star Rail getting overwhelming. Its annoying how characters can be useless after a year especially if a person sunk so much time on them.
@@komgoo4974 the endgame modes these past 2 patches have DRASTICALLY gotten more difficult and only will get more difficult. The only way u can have ur dps’ not get left behind is if u get the right supports… honkai support rail. by getting robin, i saved my jingyuan and jingliu, but even then, aint no fua or break team😞
@@yun3_ with an s1 Jingliu and her most common team (Bronya, Luocha and Ruan Mei) it still took me 7777777777777 CYCLES to beat Aventurine BRUHHHHHHHHHH. I’ve seen people try it with Fall of an Aeon jingliu it literally looked impossible. I just wish I can have fun playing my favourite characters😞
@ yah, i used pela instead and ;-;. after i got robin and used the op comp with her, bronya, and gally, i think 1-2 cycles iirc. supports make the world.
Meanwhile I still rock with Raiden c2r1 in Genshin since 2.5 till 5.1 lol (still use her) I feel no powercreep 😮 Dunno if any e2s1 dps can have such longevity
@@discreaminant I know e2 dhil is still performing strong, and e2 feixiao will likely be good for quite some time. I'm ngl, I cannot use c0 dps raiden and get "gud" results. she's been full em for like 1-2 years now
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17:02 omg i still remember this moc it took me 5 tries to clear this shit and it took me 6 fucking cycles since then I benched her thanks for your service jingliu
Everyday I see Topaz being low in the rankings, I thank my stars that I pulled Topaz, but she just keeps getting better and better. As more FUA gets released, you can now put March/Moze on one side, Topaz on the other, and just go ham.
@@ALegendarySol rly now? i feel most ppl at this point have to to terms she has been one of the best aging characters and now some of the strongest ones at this point
@yun3_ I should have said lower in the rankings at her launch. I decided to pull and never used her when she was launched, but once ratio came out, and now Feixiao, it was the best investment I ever made
in my opinion just use fugue and HMC both while kepping ruan mei, fugue is like welt in that they sustain by delaying enemies actions, you break the enemy toughness by using rappa or HMC and you get the imprisonment effect or with ruan mei and you get frezze, then the enemy action will be delayed again because of ruan mei ult
22:30 Seele is suprisingly good with Robin ,she's on the same level as Bronya. Robin and seele not only synchronize well together, but with bronya or sparkle on the same team can make seele have so many actions that she's able to clear MOC12, PF4, and AS4 with cycles to spare.
i gotchu. i still dont fully know the interaction with seele and robin. i read that robin cant steal the kill from seele, but when im using say a gallagher and the physical dmg from robins ult gets the kill cuz gally does no dmg, the energy goes to robin. so idk how it goes tbh
@ I’m pretty sure Robins damage is counted before seele’s damage but I could be mistaken. I’ve seen multiple showcases of Seele, Bronya or Sparkle, (bronya works better in this team but sparkle can be used too) Robin and HuoHuo do very well in all 3 game modes, including last cycles PF4.
I can't even imagine how they'd make a more perfect teammate for Jing Yuan, but it'll be a shame if Sunday marked the end of good old "Another patch, another buff for Jing Yuan" meme Lol
@@Kris-w4w4h the speed tuning may take a bit to get used to but once u can do it, i assume it should be pretty solid. though idk how the u can consistently bump jy before sunday after your rotation
at this current point, id have to agree as she can do like 200k-400k counters if ur really stacked. with sunday coming out, maybe not. we wont know until he comes out ofc :)
Haven't finished video, so you might've already covered this. But Y'know what people aren't talking about Fugue, the potential of a Freeze/Dissociation meta. Exo toughness allows you to break twice which would mean allowing a character to actually stack dissociation per freeze. Imagine 5* Herta being an AOE Follow-up Freeze/Dissatisfaction Dps that deals more damage when the enemy is frozen. But unfortunately the rational part of my brain doesn't think Hoyo thought of this since of the effects of the new Dps relic set that released in 2.6.
@@Rob.N.thats a rly cool idea. i totally forgot dissociations exists. theyd have to CAREFULLY balance it. it would either be complete dookie or op af like divergent uni
(this is just my pov) i dont think so. a main draw of sunday is the ult that gives energy, which acheron cant use. I know many still put it on acheron, but id feel that it may be better to just put it on a support like jq to spam more ults tbh and build him subdps. also, robin has a super high ceiling, assuming u play Acheron, robin, jq, gally. gally qqp will be so good bc acheron cant use energy so he can only funnel to 2 ppl. (3rn cuz the bug)
My rappa i built in 20 minutes does more dmg than my seele i built over the course of 1.X and It also doesn't help I can count with my hand all the enemys weak to Quantum in the game And do not make me get started on my boothill
I bet you used Rappa in AoE and compared it to Seele against ST damage. On the topic of AoE. We all know that if you can reach the DPS ceiling required for Seele she can chain her attacks making her damage increase exponentially. More so if you have DDDS5 Tingyun, Robin, Sparkle. That's why she is very strong in Pure Fiction. I used Seele, March 7, Robin, and Fu Xuan in current Pure Fiction and I got easy 40k. In the ST scenario, there's no way Rappa can activate her ultimate unless you use Tingyun. She has a high energy requirement to unlock her ultimate. And when more enemies can be weakness broken she gets more energy but that's not the case in the Single Target situation. The point is did you do your comparison in Single Target? Coz I use both and I can't say the same.
Like aside from the nuances and gimmicks of the characters' kit. It's basic knowledge that HoYo spreads the characters' damage based on their path. Erudition will always deal more damage in AoE and Hunt will deal more damage in ST situation. Like how Acheron deals more damage than Feixiao in AoE and the other way around.
A quick correction: JQ and Trend cannot coexist within an Acheron team as the "only one ult stack per turn" rule also applies to the enemy's own turn. The best team for hypercarry would thus be JQ/Aven or fu/Pela or SW depending on enemy number. Also, although Tingyun 2 will be very strong she might not help break as much as you think: -she faces steep competition in superbreak teams as HMC/RM/Lingsha is such an insane core (though lingsha can be swapped out as the break power can help go sustainless). Fugue will be a more "bursty" unit which means you'll have to finish fights quickly with all that delay as her superbreak is almost twice as weak as HMC's as of v2, which also means that Firefly isnt a perfect match since her thing is many turns/low damage which is why she combos so well with HMC. She will certainly get better during beta though. - her synergy with Boothill is both more evident and also not ideal: he has high damage and low turns, the reverse of firefly, so he wants speed-related allies to help him two tap bosses. Contrary to firefly though he doesn't have a perfect team yet (Ruan Mei is great but better in hyperbreak, bronya is literally just a turn bot with 0 interesting buffs, he does synergize quite well with the def/vuln nihilities and their high toughness damage) so she might steal RM's spot in his teams. I really hope Sunday gets buffed in beta because right now he's very subpar, he's barely better than bronya buffs wise except for summons (and even then Robin clears him with how absurd she is) and Robin basically has better buffs and damage despite him being a hypercarry support (and dont get me started on the e1).
Actually Topaz's value and strength went so high that I grow tired of sub-dps Topaz and now I run full dps Topaz with Moze, Robin and Aventurine, got her E1 and have been having a lot of fun since then. Never had so much fun doing the SU until I made this decision. Zero regrets and 3.0 looks like its going to be even more bright for her. Definitely investing in victory it's playing the long game, stonks 📈📈📈📈
Dhil is in a similar to JL right now where 200-300k attacks just isnt groundbreaking or meta defining anymore. His best team rn likely is sparkle, robin, and huohuo but i cannot find people running this comp. I issume while itll be rly good, is not FF break or Farm team rn
@@yun3_that is incorrect. His best comp is still good old hyper drag (referring to a speed tuning setup of a very fast sparkle, a one speed slower Bronya, and a completely speed uninvested Lunae) now with Gallagher to bless you with even more SP. The speed tuning demands of the team are outrageous so very few people bother to build it even if they have the characters. I wish I could tell you have the performance is after magically un eidoloning my characters so I stop 0-2 cycling every MoC including the most recent one with him but standard banner and 50/50 losses saw fit to give me only Bronya and nothing else so its a E6 Bronya life for me (and of course because it’s my favorite comp even as a very low spender I got E2 and on the current patch S1 for him). Multiplication Gallagher basically cured every SP problem hyper drag ever had, although until Lingsha came out I usually had to compromise and run a much more sub par sustain. However, since it’s such an oldie but a goodie comp most people running it at this point have eidolons and E1 Bronya is just an assumed truth when discussing the team at this point. So it may not precisely meet your qualifications despite being the normal way to run him.
@ I guess there isnt a “right” way to play him, but i would say “normal” would be the most “common team”. that rn is like sparkle, tingyun, and a sustain. It’s not the best imo but def most common. I would love to see ur run with this comp cuz im curious how it functions. Im very suprised you can get great results from it ngl. I find it hard to imagine how that’s his best team rn, but I am teady to have my brain 💥
@@viviblue7277 ruclips.net/video/NX3hitvvPlU/видео.htmlsi=yUrEfPhI84ZhslaZ (e2 dhil 0cycle hoolay) this video just popped up for me and god dang does it cook. How close would you say ur current comp with dhil compares to a run like this?
@@yun3_ dhil dmg has become more consistent since sparkle release. jing liu on the other hand, doesn't deal consistant damage. her enhanced skill sometimes deal 200k, sometimes 60k because her buffs run out faster than f1.
Seele: It's my turn 🤸 As a day one Seele user, I think she will benefit more with Sunday (🤧) I mean seeing as how Sunday is Bronya PROMax and Seele pairs well with her girlfriend. Sunday gives 20% CRIT rate, a good amount of CRIT damage, energy regeneration and his buffs lasts for 2-3 turns. I do hope his energy regeneration gets buffed coz Huohuo gives 20% energy to the whole team and attack% and she's an abundance unit. This might give Seele more opportunity to get her ultimate which is low cost
I feel like Dan hung with sparkle, Sunday, huohuo will for sure be a viable team given speed tuning anyway but in that sense same could be said for any dps given sparkle is there for skill points and if Sunday has his lightcone he’s sp neutral
dan heng is now used for situational game modes and difficulty. all the game modes and events are geared towards new characters. The whole game is skewed towards featuring new characters. mihoyo getting people to pull for characters that fall off in 1 year. it's basically cash grab now.
The arrival of Sunday may end up bringing a lot of hope to the “Hypercarry” niche, especially with the information that potentially 3.X the meta will revolve around summon || HP Decay || Debuffs (DoT, Freeze, etc) || Summon (being a generalist gimmick like FUA is included in many kits). Many old characters may return to the spot in the meta with “premium teams” closed around the specific gimmick of that character and obviously also give new teams besides of the “Only break” and “Only FUA” currently accompanied by spam of fire-lightning-electric weakness. From what the 3.X character information indicates, we could see a "Furina" HSR version (maybe a Nihility amplifier and subdps that benefits A LOT from HP fluctuation) that would end up complementing the BiS team of characters like Jingliu/Blade + Sunday + "Furina" + Sustain and also entering teams like the leaked destructions that are a "duo" playing together (prob. Destruction 1 + Destruction 2 + "Furina" + Sustain?) using HP like Blade and also the “Hp decay” gimmick, and that “Furina” would also end up implementing extra forms of damage amplification and damage contribution to the team (since the trend of inflating the HP of mobs is eventually demanding extra forms of damage on the characters' team since 1 single source is not enough to face the other teams potential if the sups or the carry isnt well invested). On the other hand, characters like Jiaoqiu may end up gaining even more value with other characters that require buffs for AoE ult, debuffs and derivatives, which everything indicates is heading towards that, and DoT may also end up finally having a premium team focused on them, with some nihility that makes the DoT crit and also activates the DoTs since Kafka is very limited in kit regarding that and a second bet of mine for the team is that the long-awaited “sustain dot” will be a nihility as well (Mono Ninility comp goes crazy, even more so with information that there are ~5 Nihility in development for Amphoreus). Along with that we have summon which is a “gourmet hypercarry” in essence (2 characters in 1 + 2 amplifiers + 1 flex sustain or amplifier), and with all this prov. we'll have the return of healers at the top of the sustain value with the new team combo (after the Aventurine empire over everyone almost everywhere), HP fluctuation with a potential Furina, freeze teams (time for Misha to shine?) that should bring an abundance of T5 ice to close the comp (and then they would even enter a fluctuation team with JL for example). Amphoreus seems like it's going to be very interesting with the character path cast that is being planned by the data leaks (1 Hunt, 1 Abundance, 1 Harmony, ~5 Destruction & 5 Nihility, ~3 Erudition) and finally bringing space to niches like HP Fluctuation which is a gimmick left aside without being explored since 1.X, like DoT and still bringing freeze and summon again... New world new possibilities, looking forward to it!
very detailed look for the potential future. I will say, i hope if they ad a furina in this game, she can be a sustain instead, as i feel our hp drainers rn really need both support slots
Im actually curious how they will introduce a summoner meta. Will it be by introducing an OP summoner dps( jingyuan but op) or an op summoning support(not just sunday)
@@yun3_ i think the former. If they fully want to sell a new archetype, it better be by means of deceitful way i.e. a dps that'll decorate the archetype as a very good one like how acheron did it.
Next world will be AOE, AOE, and more AOE (0 new Hunt units slated for release and Erudition is tied with Destruction for the most common path). There's also the leaks about Hoyo adding a 2nd or 3rd row of enemies. While this is all subject to change, I'm just highlighting how Feixiao might not be as powercreep proof as you might think.
@@kingsimba9513 If they do add another row, i wonder if itll be like u need to kill all the enemies in the front to access the back like rpg games, or if u can atk either row( aka just more enemies on screen
himeko + topaz was broken on its release, I remember clearing the fire + wind weak moc faster (0 cycle) with this team than with blade (and I had a really good blade)
dr ratio is amazing being a temporary free unit and surpassing the 1.x apex il and jl little by little. now i will continue to cope about jy getting a giga rise with sunday
This is a pretty good video. I doomposted JQ but honestly I was glad to be wrong since he's still good outside Acheron and DoT. I tried him with other characters (cuz I have no Acheron nor do I want her anymore) and he did crazy for my Argenti (from 300k per max ult to 400k to 500k with Tingyun and Huohuo both girls have the new Lushaka set, JQ replaced my Sparkle since my Argenti was already 240 crdmg that's including his E1) and Jingliu (used her with Jiaoqiu, Robin/Ruan Mei, and then Luocha/Gallagher). I think people are forgetting that new world = new Trailblazer path. Personally, I think Fugue is there to replace Harmony MC once their new path is here. And tbh I don't think Break is staying in the meta. Problem with Break is honestly if Hoyo decides to drop more characters like SAM boss that has Weakness Toughness locked then Break is rendered useless for those enemies. And from what's going on in the subreddit I read that Hypercarries/Summon and/or HP decay are gonna be the new meta in 3.X and there won't be any new Harmony characters for a while because they found a bunch of Nihility units focused on Summons too. But who knows? We'll just have to wait and see. But if anyone is going for meta, best investment is always get the Harmony character at E1 and they have alternative LCs too. While I'm still pulling for Fugue at E0, it's still shit of Hoyo to revolve her Ult requirements with her E2. From the gameplays I've seen for V1 (v2 was basically wording changes), she has only Ult twice and barely did anything. Hope she gets the JQ treatment and have her E2 moved to base kit if they're gonna justify that 150 Energy for her Ult or lower her Ult energy requirements. Her stats aren't doing great for her either because they're so low compared to HMC who she should be replacing in the future. Sunday also is a bit underwhelming because his kit makes him Bronya Pro max + Summons. But he's fine as is in terms of base kit compared to Fugue, he just needs more Energy Regen tho since he's a single target but yeah, his Eidolons need work too because only whales are going after that crazy E6. I'm still gonna get his E1S1 regardless of how his kit will end up cuz I've been waiting for his man and sadly skipping my girl Rappa for him. My Jing Yuan needs him lolz
very valid criticisms. the thing is, hoyo can realistically counter any playstyle. for fua, just make enemies get more shields and counter attack like an aventurine, like that one rock trotter in Gold & Gears. any counter teams, just give the enemies attacks that dont hit u like dot. my mindset is if they just add a one off enemy, oh well, u get countered. if they add EVERY enemy like that, then play style is cooked. from what ur saying for 3.x, if any of that is true, i will be very interested to see. I personally think tingyun is in a fine spot rn besides that ult ult. she does what she needs to do which is implanting exo toughness and providing superbreak. No spamming DDD like htb until e2 tho. i dont mind the base stats and actually like her high def for sunday, i think everything about him is fine besides the eidolons. buffs ofc would be appreciated for both characters
@yun3_ true on the part about Hoyo putting counters. Every playstyle has their pros and cons which I appreciate as someone who likes getting new characters (I don't do vertical investment and I have a gacha addiction so lolz). Goes to show they know what they're doing when it comes to making enemies but not when it comes to harder content (the HP inflation is pure hell because the characters dmg feel like wet noodles. But manageable for me imo since I can clear content just fine). While leaks should always be taken with a grain of salt, I'm sure on the summon meta especially with the Fate Stay Night collab in late 2025 since Fate has a servant system. I think the HP decay just might happen because they had no reason to release a new free destruction LC that benefits Blade, of all characters. I think they can do better since for Fugue's current beta kit, she has like 10(?) toughness break on her while HMC has 20 (or was it 25?) which are what most people are complaining about in the subreddit since she's a break support that does damage but her own toughness break and super break buffs are so low. She gives 30 (or was it 40?) BE which is good but unlike HMC, she doesn't earn extra energy from having characters break weakness so it's hard for her Ult time. Fugue's kit seems to have bad synergy for Firefly because she needs those HMC buffs more compared to Rappa and Boothill. Tbh I have both Boothill and Firefly but I enjoy my Boothill more. Ruan Mei with S5 DDD + E2 Fugue would go so hard tho lolz Yeah Sunday is fine, but after thinking about it more, he's only underwhelming for me because his kit is taken from other characters and so doesn't feel new but he's still pretty op when you consider he has everything a Hypercarry unit needs-Crit Rate (25% Crit Rate is huge), Crit Dmg, Energy Regen, Advance Forward, and DMG increase (his LC alone gives out 45% DMG increase at S1) and he then gives out like additional 40% or 50% dmg to those with summons. With his LC he can basically go ham with his skill because he regenerates SP and doesn't use SP depending on the turn. Hopefully Fugue and Sunday don't have any of their kits nerfed and only get buffed next week (we're already at V2 of the beta but it's only wording changes) because they're both extremely hyped characters.
22:34 Gallagher isnt needed here as much as people think as a property tuned Seele/Sparkle+ Resurgence should give a fairy decent amount of energy to robin by themselves
so one gally qqp set up grants robin 32 energy, and generally can get 1-2 more procs in depending how it goes. seele while getting an extra turns can give 2*(x) energy, it likely isnt enough to keep robin having a 100% uptime imo
The powercreep is not that great is HSR and the variation of power between two characters can easily change with a single release. Sometimes also, the lack of popularity of a character will make him overshadowed even if he's very strong (like Rappa) or the best support for a DPS (like Jiaoqiu for Yunli or even Feixiao, ahead of Topaz). ----------------------- ----------------------- A DPS character age well when he can do his job without too much conditions and where their is a lot of DIFFERENT ways to buff him : A good exemple for that is Dr.Ratio because he is a very complete character at base : - exceptionnal base stats and competitive LC - he has a lot of self-buffs - he can be buffed in a lot of ways (typical crit DPS stats but also the number of debuffs you put on the target, follow-up attacks, energy, etc ...) All of this make him able to be buffed exponentially by his mates and to have a very high synergy with a lot of characters. For an "old" character he aged pretty well despite not having very high multipliers himself. His BiS team has evolued a lot patches after patches which is a good thing. At the opposite, a character like Jingliu that was looking OVERLY strong at release aged quite bad. She is just a brutal character with a lot of free stats, but with investment you realize that all you can do is giving her more crit damage / % damage / attack despite she already saturate quite a lot in these stats. so unlike Ratio for exemple, the buffs she receives are more linear than exponentials. She lack a niche so all you need to be better than her is "having more numbers". However ... having a niche is not everything, if it's too specific ... the investment into the character can be a bit risky. Because after all, not everyone can receive the (impressive) Jing Yuan treatment. It's very reasonable to expect more DoT units in the future (and maybe also an alternative to Kafka) but it's more uncertain that we will get a dedicated support for Blade. ----------------------- ----------------------- Sadly, their is still cases of PURE powercreep in the game but it's clearly not the norm. Without the deserved / reasonable nerf Sunday receive, he would have been better than Sparkle in absolutly every situation and for every character which is clearly unhealthy. The nerf let top tier but (a little bit) universal.
I'm interested with what they do with Fugue's V3. To me right now, her least synergistic partner is Firefly despite both being fire because Firefly barely interacts with exo toughness. Do they push further towards her synergy with Rappa/Himeko and do something like giving her EBA colorless breaking? Or do they push back towards her being HMC replacement for Firefly? Otherwise, as a 2.X player the rundown of the olden days was nice. I wonder who the 5* version of 4* Tingyun will be, seems she's the only one left.
yah, FF is definitely benefitting not as much compared to the rappa > boothill cuz she needs hmc and rm a lot, while rappa gets a big upgrade going from hmc/RM to tingyun. I actually think the biggest winner from this is HMC and Dance dance dance. U are about to get so many ddd procs in a mode like pf and the right moc I think ff and rappa’s best teamwould be RM,TY, and HTB, while boothill likely will be RM, TY, and Sunday. I think 5* version of the 4* ty has to be TY again. This time, an abundance character where every time she heals, grants the appropriate energy 😤
20:03 wdym “firefly’s energy issues”? She’s like the only character in the game without energy issues. Free ult after her first action, GUARANTEED, and unless you’re fighting a boss you won’t need to build up energy again (and even if you do, it only takes 2 turns)
@@alexmagnan6124 Ik in the grand scheme of things, clearing just 1-2 cycle slower isnt the end of the world. but when firefly exits her state without a battery or getting enough kills/hit enough times, it really hurts her performance. if ur ff leaves her enhanced state twice, it is not a pretty run if u normally 0 cycle, it’s not rly an issue👍
I think you’re getting caught up in the hype around Sunday a tad. He’s less Bronya Pro Max and more Bronya with summon spice. In all my calcs he’s consistently worse than a Bronya with 2 more eidolons than him at every step on almost every non summon hyper carry team.
really now. I would imagine sunday would almost always perform better than Bronya in a -1 speed situation as his buffs simply last for the two turns while bronya only has her buff up half the time
@yun3_ yeah that was my first impression too. Then I actually ran the numbers (ignoring Sunday’s huge technique advantage since that’s hard to calculate with varying clear lengths). He’s got way more uptime but the buffs are actually weaker overall so it averages out to sidegrade and his unexciting eidolons really don’t narrow the gap. I think his absurdly powerful technique will help to sell his banner but won’t be nearly as impactful on his long term performance. There’s also the not irrelevant matter of how he has multiple points of anti synergy with sparkle compared to Bronya having multiple synergies which weirdly make him always worse in hyper drag teams which I did not expect to be the case because that’s where I feel the limited duration of Bronya’s buffs the most (well did until the game decided I should lose 2 50/50s to Bronya in a row and also get 2 of the standard banner in a row, wow E6 is comically strong it’s not a fair comparison at all). Generally when looking at full comps his performance always soured as he doesn’t really have good synergy with other characters and everything he does is single target. Of note I did almost all my calcs with Sunday at S0, but the few that I did with S1 found it very very strong.
@@viviblue7277calcs pre release can be deceiving, it’s best to just wait until release to assess power level. Look at what happened with jiaqiu, everyone’s calcs said he was a worse guin
Ive seen ppl talk that sparkle's buff is still much bigger than sunday? I think what rly is important is his ability to forward the summons tbh.. the bronya-like buffing is looking kinda like his side gimmick
You're sleeping too much on Yunli, no way jingyuan will be the better dps even after Sunday releases. Yunli herself benefits a lot from Sunday even if she has no summons.
@@kebabenjoyer1 maybe. the issue comes with the opportunity cost that yunli has from switching the likes of sparkle. the upgrade for yunli from sparkle > sunday is nowhere as much as it is for jingyuan. but ofc, we’ll just have to see 👍
@@kingsimba9513 would you mind showing me where u got that she is performing 3rd rn? i only know prydwens current data for this moc, where she’s near like 6-8 iirc.
@@yun3_ you might've looked at the wrong Prydwen page because she currently has the third fastest clear (for a main dps). Feixiao is at 6.01 average cycles, then FF at 6.56, then Yunli at 7.17, then Boothill at 7.57, then Acheron at 7.98 and so on. If you scroll down you'll also see the average performance of characters across the last 3 MOC phases. Yunli is actually the 2nd fastest here (behind Feixiao but ahead of FF). As for the last 3 phases of AS, Yunli is ranked 4th behind Feixiao, FF, and BH.
@@kingsimba9513 i just saw the bottom of www.prydwen.gg/star-rail/memory-of-chaos there is a note “Keep in mind that sometimes the data can be skewed - for example high usage rate usually negatively impacts the character cycles and the opposite also happens when a character isn't that popular, but performs above expectations thanks to dedicated fans. We don't take the data at face value, but further correlate it with our testing to get a better picture of which characters make clearing MoC easier. Characters with * behind the data only have 1 phase worth of data, so they are pretty skewed.”
Also, I will say I got Jingliu WAY too late. I don't think I have ever used her on any endgame mode after I built her and tested her. She has fallen way behind in terms of setting up her damage cycle. Other characters get that same cycle for free, turn 1. You could have similar damage ceilings, but have a lower floor, or just how fast it takes you to get to that ceiling. As for me, I had S5 GNSW and atrocious luck in Acherons domain. Yunli I went 2 weeks without her sig and decided she was incredible, the best character I had ever played, so I picked up her LC, I got Robin, a character I dislike personally, legit just for her. Although, Aventurine was the best investment for the account. There is no MoC or endgame mode where he isnt there. Gallagher and Huohuo are crazy too but something about sub dps Aventurine with signature just helps immensely.
it’s honestly difficult to justify dps reruns cuz the endgame modes at that time probs wont be catered toward them, making it difficult to make them perform well unless u got the right supports
As someone who started playing just because liked Robin and Firefly designs and got both in their releases (even if needed pity for Robin and hard pity for firefly after losing 50-50), I see this as an absolute win For now I'm looking forward to get some eidolons and cones for them, I also want Fugue for Firefly and I got Lingsha, I still need to think who I want to use with Robin (I dont like Feixiao, so need to see another char, maybe I should try getting Topaz later to go with Hunt March)
Yah FF e1 is such a nice quality of life change and e2 goes brrr. I want to say robin is so strong to the point where she is the best in slot support for hyper carry as well if you want to go down that route, if FUA isnt ur taste. Just be aware u need to play a specific way to make it work. With sunday coming up, pairing those 2 up will be the best hyper carry core :)
I knew Fugue was strong but I didn’t think she was this strong. I might have to consider getting her E1 on her rerun since I wouldn’t have enough pulls for her initial banner
@@yun3_ well her ult is 150 cost and despite exo-toughness being extra damage, apart from boothill and rappa she is basically unusable. It also isn't helped that hmc is free and Ruan Mei is more universal. If she provided buffs other than exo-toughness she would have way more utility in teams outside of break.
@@samuelbutler3332 dont forget she has the instance of super break damage like HMC so she isnt soley about exo toughness :) as such, u can finally run 2 super break teams. that 150 cost really sucks tho i personally dont mind her being a dedicated support for break as long as she’s worth the value.
it’s just my prediction of 2.7, but im just assuming sunday will be a very nice boost to blade. due to his low sp consumtion, running sunday and bronya may become his best team, who knows. unless itll still be sunday robin -_-
@@yun3_ blade just lacks a dedicated support even with sundays release yunli has all the support in the world like tingyun (her bis) robin sparkle etc, and yunli falls into the fua niche which is arguably the norm rn so thats why i consider her better than blade and shouldnt be in the same tier
@ good points. after looking into it, you’re right. blade is not on the tier of those other 3. id actually move him down instead to the usable tier instead
I've been using DoT since before 1.2 and seldom have had much of a problem. Meta is a set of jangling keys that's always going to hype the latest release as the newest, hypest hotness. Because the MOC buffs and the like are intentional thumb-on-the-scale tilting to glaze the latest release. Different comps have different strengths and weaknesses that lend themselves to different situations. Just build a broad-based roster and use what works best.
yep thats fair and i do feel the same way. Meta could mean different things to different people with different thresholds of what is considered good. even so, at this current point, it’s hard deny that dont isnt meta in regards to sheer damage output regardless the enemy imo
All this talk of meta is miserable Be like me: Planning to run DHIL, Blade, and JY on the same team. Whether the last slot is filled by Sunday, Aventurine, or Bailu is yet to be seen. Try to delete the enemy before they can delete you (I'm never clearing MOC)
Seeing how Break and Summon characters are eating good, I’m even more torn between who to pull between Sunday and Fugue :// They’re both SO GOOD 😭 I skipped Lingsha bc I don’t need a 4th sustain, but man, Fugue is tempting me, but Sunday as well 💀
i need the v3 beta to come faster. fugue exo toughness alone in her kit is already good on paper but her performance based on showcases isn't really good because of her very low toughness reduction and her high ult cost. her eidolons are decent but they should've put that in her base kit instead. meanwhile sunday's base kit is really good but his eidolons are weak. the only problem some ppl have with him is not being able to AA robin (which is really not a big deal)
@@kyeopmuwda i agree with mostly everything youve said such as tingyuns issues rn and sunday’s weak eidolons my only thing i have no idea what builds they are using for their characters for any of the leaks ive watched so im taking it with a grain of salt. they do such low dmg(IMO) compared to what i normally do using a similar team (ff break and a sunday showcase i saw with JL) i get im a dolphin but that doesnt mean i should be doing like 2x their dmg if i were to pull sunday, id honestly hate the fact he wouldnt be able to aa robin. ult img robin instead and giving her crit hurts my soul. if the ult was dmg%, i wouldntve minded tho
@@yun3_ fugue is worse for firefly than hmc bc her super break dmg is capped at 100% while hmc can go up to 160% even though she has def reduction and exo-toughness replacing hmc with her about equalizes in damage, shes only really good for rappa and better for boothill than firefly imo. At best shes a sidegrade to HMC which is very bad since e6 HMC is free while fugue is a limited 5 star
@@buhduh-k5n good points. I would say yah, they probs are rly close for ff. we also gotta mention how htb has more toughness dmg/dmg as such. the biggest thing about fugue rn for FF imo is the ability to go sustainless and delete the enemies. plus working with a ddd tb, the potential double breaks will give so much energy
My Favourite Channel, amazing work as always. I can't wait to try out something like E1 S1 Jingliu+ E1S1 Sunday (Bronya pro Max)+ E1 S1 Ruan Mei+ Robin. My Ice queen is going to be Stronger than ever. Especially with the new relic sets, am so happy.
See, my biggest complaint with this video, and it makes sense, is that it’s only MoC. With the release of Apoc, there are 3 entire game modes to focus your account around now. I know you did it this way cuz these game modes haven’t existed for as long as MoC, but next year I think looking at how DPS characters do across all game modes will be much more fair, because Argenti (imo) is overpowered in PF and very usable in ApoC. Overall tho, respectable video, and almost exactly where I would’ve put some people on every section as a day one player myself lol. Saving my thoughts on fugue and Sunday for their V3 kits, but lowkey I think, if we’re assuming optimal play, jing yuan might be the best DPS in the game 😎
i see where ur coming from and maybe. i may follow up this vid from 2.7 to 3.x. i want to say, i honestly dont like apoc shadow. It heavily favors certain playstyles and those buffs u can choose can be so strong. as such, it’s difficult to gauge how strong someone is, even more so than moc. I dont mind pf, but i gotta see with how the pf rework works. but yah, hopefully v3 does some crazy stuff. lets see if jinyuan gets any stronger
@ real, I only say this because if we’re using the endgame game modes as a metric assuming it’s for the Jade, we should consider all the rotations to rank a DPS. Makes rappa even stronger currently yes, but I think rappa is a unit everyone will be wishing they pulled for in about 3 months when they realize what fugue rappa can really do. Heavily looking forward to the summon meta myself, gleefully preparing to wreck havoc 🔥
Yunli next to blade is insane how is anyone next to blade lol. Yunli should be higher as she’s better than Ratio rn and will get even better with Sunday as he gives her buffs for multiple turns and energy
yah blade def should move down a tier, but i would keep yunli where she’s at. the question is whether or not hypercarry yunli is better than something like acheron or RRAT, which i dont believe so. depending on sunday goes, perhaps she moves up in my 2.7 list.👌
Nah, Prydwen's new toggle literally shows that Acheron with eidolons and sig is only 5% and 15% better than E0 Feixiao and FF, respectively. Acheron fell off hard, and I say this as an Acheron main with a top #91 (0.1%) build on Seeleland.
@kingsimba9513 I meant about her release , the moment she released the gap btw her and other dps was way bigger and she set the standard for upcoming new dps and we all knew after acheron we will start getting dps at her level or higher which is no surprise And also as acheron simp I will also defend her Fexia when released had her best limited 5 star team available and it hadn't been long since her release so meta and endgame buffs and enemies are all in her favor rn Acheron only have 1 premium support which was released later and that's all( she can use 4 star but it's not her premium team) I hope when dot meta begins she gets indirect buff and can be used in that team for eg while dot do damage it also fill acheron ult and her ult become extra big damage on dot damage It will very fun At last I will I don't hate any charater I like some charater then more but all charaters are cool and love to have them and about them being meta , Every charater will fall off hard so it's not a new or surprising thing As long as acheron and clear endgame doesn't matter if endgame favor her or not I don't have problem
@@ryuk6795 Fair points. I too wish that Acheron would get a bit more love, but I'm sort of past the coping stage. It's clear Hoyo are willing to gut previously op teams/archetypes (DHIL, JL, Sparkle, DoT, etc) so they could easily just add Acheron to that list. I hope not though. Time will tell.
@kingsimba9513 ya man , the powercreep is insane in this game and it happens way to fast , I am trying to get charater that can clear content for me even though game don't favor them ( I am a new player don't have many. Charater)
@@ryuk6795 I agree, Acheron was the clearest increase in power, even more so than Jingliu or release. and like u said, she also has so much room to grow, seeing she only has 1 dedicated support rn. though itd be interesting if they somehow make dotcheron her best team
At E0 he'll be much better than Acheron. Heck, Prydwen's new toggle literally shows that Acheron with eidolons and sig is only 5% and 15% better than E0 Feixiao and FF, respectively. Acheron fell off hard, and I say this as an Acheron main with a top #91 (0.1%) build on Seeleland.
@@Saberdud ??? You do realise that virtually any team (excl. troll picks like Argenti/Blade) have been able to effortlessly 0 cycle phase 1 right? The main bottleneck is always phase 2, and Acheron's struggled for the past three MOC's: - version 2.3 with Argenti - version 2.4 with Aventurine - version 2.5 with Hoolay Find me a 5-cost or less Hoolay 0 cycle, you can't. The lowest I've found on YT is 8-cost, but that's cheating the system as they used an E2 Bronya. All the ones without Bronya I've seen are 10-cost or above. What a joke.
@@kingsimba9513 yea ngl i have not really use acheron these days except if i am bored .. there is noticable bad performance of her which she usually can just brute force the past moc but after the moc 12 enemy hp increase everytime it just getting hard .. i have her 70 cr 200 cd with sig lc ... I never really change the relic since i got her and she work great but nowadays it kinda meh .. like damn .. at this rate the old character might be unusable ... Good things for jingyuan getting best supports for him .. hopefully the old character get dedicated support to make them relevant
@@testingabc6207same my acheron only purpose is only insta kill mobs for grinding weekly DU probably because im being stubborn and not pulling jiaoqiu but hes so niche that i would rather bench acheron instead of getting him
Good video, but it makes me sad to not see Himeko being properly acknowledged in here besides the early 1.X era. She's one of the characters that has received (if not the) most buffs since release and has aged for the good. At first she surely was considered the worst 5* in the game and took brainpower to clear MoC with her, but since Topaz's release things started to sail for her, even more after Pure Fiction was introduced. She then got Ruan Mei which was her most significant supportive upgrade, and around that time we already knew of Fugue's concept kit (which funny enough, it was originally for HMC's) and by then it was heavily theorized said character would be incredible for her. Then, during early Penacony, we got all the FuA relics/planars that she could run perfectly, besides being able to pair with Robin and Jade. And then with superbreak's introduction, relics, lightcones, planar and supports+Firefly herself and her bosses, she became a more consistent pick up for MoC and AS stages with very good clear times as well, and Fugue is yet to come which can even further improve her in the three game modes. I'm a RRAM/FARM team + DHIL E2S1 haver and alongside the FuA variants, I believe my Himeko has seen more usage than my DHIL since Penacony came out or at least be about the same, but since 2.3, Himeko took the cake. To me it's incredible how she has aged, and I say it as someone who had her since 1.1 and also got swayed by the negative perception of her kit, until I gave her a try relatively early on too and she has carried my ass since when it's an ideal playground for her.
ur right in the sense that himeko has received a lot of indirect buffs that has made her age much better than her peers, esp with fugue coming up. the issue more so lies in the more the format of moc which generally reduces the amount of fuas himeko can do in a battle. having built her myself with a nice build, she def smacks in pf for me, but for moc, she only has a very good performance against the past present enemy imo. but if it’s a format or lineup she can excel in, she excel RLY well👍
@@yun3_ oh yeah, Choir is her bis performance in MoC for most players atm, but I also found decent succeed with her against some previous fire-weak stages such as those with Cocolia and the robots (even more paired with Jade) and I know I'm missing another one where she also did pretty good for me. In AS she has also performed well against the Doomsday beast, Cocolia, Phantylia and now Sunday too. There's also the upcoming dinosaur tv boss that has shared hp and is also weak to fire, I expect Himeko to be a pretty good runner against it as well, and overall Fugue should improve her performance in the three modes as we are seeing in some beta showcases for MoC between them ^^
true true. you didnt mention PF, but from my personal experience, this last PF second half was perfect for himeko and i tried both break and carry himeko with robin, gally, and tingyun. playing as optimally as i could, fua was able to get 40k pretty easily with nearly 2 cycles left while break could barely reach like 36k ish points. the dmg drop off in pf due to htb’s passive which punishes aoe superbreak rly hurts in that mode. but yah that dino guy is about to get cooked by ff and rappa. i am curious how himeoko will do against them but ill just have to see👍
@@yun3_ you mean the newest PF? I only tried Himeko on the Bronya side as I don't have FF nor Rappa to carry me there haha but my best run there was 35k with her, but around 30k-31k is what I mostly got after many retries. I have hopes for her against that boss, even more after Fugue comes out if it's still featured from time to time in the endgame. In about 20 mins we should be getting the V4 of her and Sunday, let's see if anything changes.
@@mokalevi436 sry the "volubility" pf against bronya and the past/confined. I havent tried her in the new pf just yet but barely got 40k with e2 ff first half. so seeing u got 30k+ is impressive. v4 dropped and nothing major for ty but it's nice u can spam skill or tactically use it so u dont accidentally with TY
Not really, most characters are in a pretty sweet spot, with some getting sweeter in the future. I think a lot of people confuse "off-meta" with being "power crept."
@@jaredtew3302 i will say end game is def getting harder and harder due to the nature of these games with their new units. But i will say older units can work as long as you put the resources in them (new supports 😞)
Not gonna lie... i actually getting e2 Ruan Mei accidentally... and i never regret it after how very good she is😂😂😂 (Also Blade downfall started in 2.0 i guess😢😢 cuz i remember having hard time at that time😂😂😂) Acheron at that time feels so fucking good❤❤... now i struggle because i just never get good enough relic😢😢😢 Sigh i lose my 50/50 on Sunday and get Bronya e2 what the heck😂😂😂
I unfortunately will skip tingyun pro, i was hoping that her kit will replace HTB, but rn her kit is looking like a replacement for RM. I will patiently wait for HTB replacement in the future
As of v2. she can replace either HTB or Ruan Mei. HTB’s main draw is the superbreak instance which TY also provides in her talent “While Fugue is on the field and after Weakness Broken enemy targets are attacked by allies, converts the Toughness Reduction of this attack into 1 instance of 100% Super Break DMG. so if u want super break on both sides, Ty will be a nice pick :)
@yun3_ oh i just realized that now. I'm just wondering, do you think sunday provides a good futureproof kit? I currently use firefly break team and high investment FART team with e2 feixiao, and I don't really invest too much in firefly, just enough to clear moc under 5 cycle. So do you think i should pull fugue to improve the break team or sunday to prepare for the next meta shift?
@@veezerrscharnhorst This will just be my advice and going off of v1/2 TY/sunday so i cannot definitively say as v3/4 will likely have some changes. quite frankly speaking, IMO rn, sunday is clearly meant for 1. singular hypercarry summoners (jingyuan and that future aglaea) and 2. an upgrade for bronya users. I honestly dont think sunday is the start of the summoning meta as i believe a future support will do that. (ex. advance ALL summons by 50%) So I believe if u think ur gonna pull a singular hypercarry summoner in the future, go for sunday. if u want a whole summon team, i personally think wait for maybe a team wide summonAA character. But just kit wise, i think he will stand the test of time in the same way bronya has (even if not as prevalent) I think FUA will be staying for quite some time, esp with an E2 feixiao. I bet that team smacks. realisrically speaking, ur next upgrade in the tram would be topaz, unless they somehow power creep robin/aven first which would be kinda crazy. ur farm team realistically should 0-1 cycle for at least the next few versions, so u only need to clear in like 8-9 cycles which is def doable with ff xd. i guess itll be up to u if u want to upgrade, but honestly an e1 or even e2 ff may be better than getting TY currently; unless u plan on going sustainless. as a e2 ff haver, e1 is game changing. hope this helps 👍
@@yun3_ yes i currently leaning on sunday (even tho I'm not in his cult). I like to spread my accounts with multiple units just to mixmatch them in fun modes. Thx for the advice And about the whole summon team, i still believe that every unit that has a summon will also has their own summon AA kit like topaz and lingsha, midyuan is the outlier here
@@veezerrscharnhorst oh fair point, unless they decide to make a jingyuan 2 with crazy multipliers. no self summon AA so relies on supports, but make their dmg crazy high
Clara was never bad per say but was never exactly rly “good”. Enemies have never been uber fast like hoolay, but if hoyo keeps dropping fast af enemies, then she maybe moves up. but yunli exists 🫠 also, pretty good clear seeing how u just recently built her
18:20 i agree. i was eating good. AND STILL AM, F.A.R.T. IS ON TOP WHEN MY DOT TEAM ISN'T! they die constantly, i cleaned one level with blade (god and jingyuan bless his soul) but I didn't get 3 stars so i tried dot... KAFKA DIES ALL THE TIME. BLADE WAS DOING LAUGHABLE DMG BUT AS IT SEEMS MY MAIN'S STILL BETTER IN DOT TEAM THAN KAFKA!..i used dot team just gave blade instead ro kafka lol edit: since we're on jingyuan. I HAVE HIM. i started playing for him bc.. cyno. yeah, pretty much it, i have him since his first banner, he cutely was next to Blade untill topaz came around with numby (my team was kafka, blade, topaz natasha. ahh, good old times~) he never was SUPER strong.. tho he did 3 milion in divergent universe yesterday that just.. says a lot actually, I don't use him because i don't have sparkle, nor can't lat him lend robin from fua team bc they need her, that's why i am pulling for sunday. Jingyuan is strong af. his lighting lord just.. struggles. do you know from what i got 3 milion? his skill. everytime i play him in pure fiction his ult does more dmg BC IT'S MORE CONSTANT. He never was bad at all In my opinion, in times where i didn't have blade (lov him, my son) he did the heavy lifting with bronya, Natasha and herta. he was strong. not as strong as seele but that's because we didn't have anything to help him. now we have two harmony who produce skill points, tho one is better. But even without them i found a strategy for him bc i want to make him work, i couldn't cyno, i can him. And sunday just came here begin like "hi jingyuan, i'm here to save you from begin forgotten" i'm just saying, even if he won't be as strong as acharon or feixiao HE WILL HAVE A LITTLE BULB OF SPOTLIGHT. Maybe feixio can 0 cycle, but jingyuan is just a unit that was here forever. he's not new, he's 1.5 years old AND HE FINALLY CAN SHINE. Even if just a little.
seeing how jingyuan is able to get such a glow up from one unit, i have no doubt that our hp shenanigan characters will be eventually. from my personal experience, from playing from jingyuan, tho im fine with his character, i cannot lie felt sadge to play him. whether it’s CC, LL going in the next cycle, (but mainly just raw dmg ngl). even now, if there is a lightning weak side/ice resistant side, what would perform better: Jingyuan or Jingliu? Jingliu, always. Against the past present enemy this moc, the fact my jingliu can clear a cycle faster against those guys than jingyuan 🫠 im not even gonna pull sunday for jingyun, but hope his other mains do in my stead
@@yun3_ understandable, I don't really like meta characters on my side. never had jingliu, dangfang (mainly bc i despise how they didn't dang hangs plot tbh), i had natasha and cheetah carrying me untill loucha's rerun in penecony and aveturine for gods sake! so i'm not like into meta. i just like follow-ups and working with characters i like~ even if it means they're not the sharpest tool in the shed~😅 but i also skipped jinqiu even tho i lov his design bc he didn't really do anything for blade or follow up attackers ╮(＾▽＾)╭ so i really understand not spending on something that can be.. well, useless for u. hope granny jingliu will clear everything clean for ya 🩷
appreciate it :) im glad ur able to enjoy the game in the manner that u like it. hopefully we both can pull the units we like(hopefully hoyo makes em strong) xd
using the 2.5/6 chart, i cant find myself putting her near the gud tier cuz the competition like yuni which i dont think she’s that close to. ik ppl have told me that yunli deserves to be higher, but i dont think shes on the FUA team tier. thats my personal reasoning :)
enjoyable video but I have to disagree with something you said at the end: "let dots crit" no this is a terrible idea, don't we want builds to be more diverse not less? hyper carry and fua already build crit stats, and dot and break do not we should keep them that way there are still plenty of ways to expand the dot playstyle without resorting to crit units that make dots detonate during ally's turns, a unit that can extend debuff durations (like Epiphany), advance forward enemy turns, make break burn break wind shear, and break shock actual damage sources etc. The oft rumor'd DoT healer the one way, that I would be personally ok with DoT having "crits" is if it was done in a way like Himeko/Hook/Serval, in that you make a single unit who does additional damage (that can crit) based on either how many dots are on the enemy, or damage scaled based off the total dot damage. that way it doesn't mess with existing built units in an arduous way and make relic farming more a pain in the (no-no place) then it already is
not let every dot crit, more so a character/support which enables it based on their own stats. cuz ur right on how it can just become “just build the tradtional cr,cdmg, atk”. dots pretty special in how u just go atk speed, similar to break units and their be. but ur def right on how there are many ways to go about it. hoyo can go your creative route or my simpleton way. we’ll just have to see in 3.x maybe
It feels weird because on one side I run very reasonable teams with less than meta options starting running 3 fire and silver wolf in 1.1 where I rerolled like 6 times until I lost a 50/50 to Bronya on the silver wolf banner to get a guarantee and scuffing together teams throughout the games life as I’m missing lots of limited character and E1S0 firefly usually has to take the day recently without Ruan Mei cause I don’t have her. So on that side I’m very familiar with the meta progression as I hear about teams far less scuffed than my own. On the other side I run E2S0 (just got S1 this rerun) Lunae E6S3 (yes I bought 3 LC from the shop like a madman, it was worth the 90 pulls) Bronya E2S1 Sparkle and whatever strikes my fancy for the fourth spot. My E2S0 Robin when 0 cycle slaughters are possible or Gallagher or Lynx when the gimmick wants to try it absolute hardest to ruin my day and I need a specific answer to it. Truly monstrous overkill that has enough power to ignore what MoCs gimmick is as long as it’s not adventurine and his unreasonable pile of imaginary resistance. Honestly I’m starting to run out of ways to make this team meaningfully more premium but it’s so overkill I don’t think it’s going to fall off for a very long time. For planning for the future it’s all on Fugue. Hopefully the firefly rerun stays far away as I’d like E2 firefly to go with Fugue for obvious action spam reasons. I should be able to save up for Fugue before she’s run but if she’s run alongside firefly then I’ll almost certainly need to win a 50/50 somewhere to get everyone I want which is worrying. The worst thing they could do to me is run firefly alongside Sunday so I’d have to pull for E2 then. Since I’ve been running a hot streak of 50/50 wins lately (very welcome after losing 6-ish in a row) I have no guarantee and no way am I saving up 320 pulls before Fugue drops even if I technically have enough uncleared content to get that (my busy self still has E2 imaginary trailblazer lol, I really need Fugue).
im very curious how himeko would perform cuz youd want to use crit himeko imo, but tingyun primarily buffs break. so while u now do get more fua instances, would that be better than just going 2 harmony supports?
dot was seen as strong team cause for the longest of time pure fiction had dot requirement or dot buffs, it still ok in PF JY was released in a time the dev themselves did not know what they were doing, so many of aspect of his kit was flawed but it got fixed and reused in other characters, like blade activating his fua once his stacks is full, topaz's numby and lingsha fuyuan not getting cc if topaz got cc herself, fixiao ability to over stack and doing her ult freely, i belive if he was released in current day he would have been better, but hey i still use my JY with topaz and ruan mei, or in a super break team my biggest disappointment was getting robin on her re run cause i thought she would make me play ratio topaz fua team again (fire fly took ruan mei hostage) just to realize i could not activate ratio follow up cause i dont have any eidolons or LC in my account ..... still robin is valuable but for me ruan mai is the GOAT who if i can put in acheron team i would gladly put there, she is just too broken as a character I think Hemiko will get a buff with Fugue release cause hemiko superbreak (or even hybrid build) is very good with current moc exo toughness and she is supergood in PF Sunday might upgrade JY but i think he will be the bronya on 3.x meta till a team wide buffer will get released later on
id have to agree with most of what uve said. I will say tho, if u wanna use ratio with ur topaz and robin, i highly recommend u trying a Gallagher. brings 1 more debuff and can give you energy :) i think himeko in PF with fugue is about to go hard, though idk how much in moc tho
@ try Hemiko in current MOC on either side (super break on first side or part of FuA team on second side) Also she managed to get full score in PF when I swapped FF for her in the same break team with Gallagher Gallagher is attached to the hip with FF and his sustain is not that great when the enemy can move faster than you, also aventurine is too comfy and he help ratio indirectly cause his FuA can trigger ratio ult (trend of universal market do help but the shield becomes paper thin unfortunately)
i used crit himeko on the first half and it was pretty gud, but i cant see myself removing tingyun,robin, or gallgaher for a TY. super break himeko with ff ofc wrecked those guys i personally find gally sustain enough if i put him in the middle slots. But i usually have VERY tanky supports so i can see why it may not be enough for some
You are sleeping on Yunli She definitly does more damage than Blade and Jingliu and even Ratio in some cases While is true that Jing yuan will get buffed because Sunday, Yunli also likes Sunday (to some extent) Also consider the fact Yunli Bis support is also robin which is well,Robin, she is not in thr FART team but she also is part of Fua archetype, that is an undeniable fact and since you are adding Sig lc into the criteria,yunli lc patches her biggest """"problem"""" aka the aggro, which her lc fixes, also more aggro means more hits and considering once you get her lc her best sustain becames Huohuo and with her talent is basically almost always perma-ultimate uptime She is definitly not Feixiao,Acheron,Firefly level but she is neither gud .5 level, She is totally a meta 1 (not 2) level Arguably the most versatile dps in the game that can work in any gamemode (MOC is easy for her,she beats in 1-2 cycles, not getting 40k in pf with her is a legit skill issue moment , AS is her ""weakest""" gamemode but she is still amazing here,easily getting 3200+ points , as long as you know how to use her
i just wanna say, yah, blade does not belong there in my 2.7 chart😞i put it in my pinned comment. I believe the only character that ppl have disagreed with my placement is actually yunli in 2.7. I have seen jingliu and jingyuan with the sunday robin comp in 2.7 leaks, and safe to say, it cooks, just as well as how yunli performs now. By 2.7, all 3 characters will be able to consistently do 200-300k attacks consistently, putting them sizably ahead of anyone in usable. but i dont believe any of them will be as good as the duo dps fua or acheron that i put in the 1 category. .5 doesnt mean bad what so ever, its just a number. i simply rated the point system this way with meta gaining 2 points to reward them being at the top of the meta. it does not mean that are 4x as strong. They are are all “fairly” relative.
@@yun3_ as I said,Sunday also benefits Yunli,if you are factoring Sunday for Jingliu then is fair to also add Yunli +Sunday into the mix, And honestly Acheron belongs in the max tier as long as she has the LC +jiaqiou , she is safe to say Firefly level atleast The duo dps fua, I can assure you Yunli has the same dps level,if not more than that team And well yeah,blade should go down lol
@@matiasjobeth2722 yes, that is true. ig the question is how big of a jump it is for jingliu to switch from bronya to sunday and jingyuan/yunli switching from sparkle. imo, yunli benifits the least. jingyuan getting LL AA is massive and Jingliu will finally have buffs that dont run out going the -1 support setup. You will be going a slow yunli sonit’s not too different that sparkle at this current point. ofc we will need to see what v3+ will bring us which is just minutes away. Acheron while good gets team diffed by feixiao and ff. In 2.7, sustainless break and feixiao are about to dominate the moc imo which i dont think acheron will compare. i understand if your reasoning to move yunli up and how she may have the same if not more dps than duo fua comp. but from what ive seen, Fua slightly edges out yunli unless against something hoolay, which she deletes
@@yun3_ sunday v3 released and I can assure you, Yunli will benefit as much as Jingliu with Sunday ,I would dare say even more than her Also you are overestimating Fugue(for Firefly) by far Firefly barely gets dmg increase from fugue(something like 11-13%) Rappa and Boothill will benefit more so boothill position seems fair To the point I still maintain my point that Yunli should be tier 1 and Sunday solidifies this opinion IMO,Sunday looks like will like to be 1 point slower than the main dps, except with Yunli, where you can give him any spd because yunli damage is not in her turn making sunday build easier and while I dont think you should count this for the criteria,is a little bonus she will have with him
@@matiasjobeth2722 ofc it's up to discussion, but with sunday allowing jingliu staying in he enhanced from for a 1 turn longer due to the energy buff, id say Yunli is not benifitig as much as JL. We can see how strong DHIL currently is with the leaks out rn which have him running speed boots which says a lot. new.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/comments/1gkaqd6/27_v3_e0s1_dan_heng_il_1_cycle_5m_hp_boss_ft/ After this, I gotta move DHIL up. The buffs to sunday did wonders for dhil. Yunli likely will be doing the same dmg as the rest of the ppl i put in gud, which would be JL, JY, and DHIL. depending on how it goes, may move those 4 into acheron tier tbh
Im just waiting for a good quantum dps I started the game with silver wolf rerun back in december so I didnt have the chance to get a seele but looking at her shes kinda bad ngl
@@Pachirisu2024 it honestly may be a while before we get the exodia for quantum as youll need to replace the dps, and sustain. i think sparkle is fine tho
@yun3_ Im honestly totally fine with fu xuan the free crit rate and 30% crit dmg I got for her e1 feels amazing but we totally lack a strong quantum dps Seele is outdated sw needs e2 to be a "dmg" dealer and even with e1 s1 my jade struggles in dmg output on bosses
I recall someone commented before how if you use moze, u can basically have 100% uptime on ur other 2 allies with her skill. though hopefully, they just add another harmony which buffs other harmonies and their buff duration. thatd be cool imo
@yun3_ yes, and the Thing that is that they would have is that they have low base ATK and no ATK, crit traces whatso ever. This Kind of Character would be one that really prefers Yukong over others.
Some small things. Fugue doesn’t do anything “good” for firefly in comparison with HMC. Exo-toughness is cool, but FF doesnt have any mechanics on break. HMC’s Super Break multiplier is higher, and using fugue over Gallagher or Lingsha leads to actually *worse* damage per cycle because you’re missing out on Gallagher and Lingsha’s insane toughness damage, which almost completely locks firefly out of 0 cycles without eidolons for 2 phase bosses. Boothill and Rappa on the other hand… Boothill can potentially get 3x stacks of pocket trickshot in one turn now, and like you said in the video, fugue “fixes” rappa’s energy issues and her charge mechanic. For rappa and BH, fugue is a massive buff, not because they’re super break focused, but because they’re *break* focused, unlike firefly. Fugue’s SB is just an added bonus like a cherry on top. Am I saying I think firefly is going to be pushed out of meta immediately in 2.7? No. It takes longer for these things to happen, but once people start moving to use the new trailblazer, FF’s usage rate will go down heavily.
You’re right how there isnt anything special that FF gains from Fugue unlike boothill/himeko who can now have omni toughness break and rappa who gains more stacks. the main thing would be the raw dmg she gets from breaking said exo toughness bar which also can delay enemies twice now. which imo helps sustainless runs so much. while hmc’s break multi is higher, it should roughly tie with the exo toughness break. id actually disagree with the statement where ud get less dmg per cycle due to our sustains toughness dmg. gally and fugue from what ive seen roughly do the same toughness while lingsha will do more in aoe situations. with tingyun able to give harmony tb omni toughness reduction, against enemies that dont have img weakness, she’ll let htb do a sizeable amt of toughness to get a faster break. if we include how fugue brings another super break instance and her debuffs, its likely do much more, even if you do break faster with a sustain i personally believe that the superbreak instance is the main draw instead of the cherry on top. i think the exo toughness mechanic is actually the cherry as a firefly user’s pov. for some, that omni toughness reduction actually may be the main draw instead yk 👍
@@yun3_ that’s a completely fair assessment, though *personally* i do not believe 50% of HMC’s TR would bring enough to the table for specifically FF teams to “do away” with 100% toughness reduction from gally/ling with firefly’s fire implant. The difference between super break and say, FUA or crit is that all of your damage is locked behind that initial break, and with ever increasing toughness bars, you need even the slightest bit more toughness dmg to access super break’s high dmg floor. You mentioning placing Fugue’s buff on HMC is actually interesting, I don’t think I’ve seen any showcases doing that yet, and I’d be really interested in seeing what it does and if it could lower the sustainless team’s cycle count to 0. HMC’s contribution to FF is to the point where Firefly’s BEST element to go into is Imaginary, because it allows HMC to follow up with her and basically guarantee a quick break T1. Galla/Lingsha basically guarantee that break in non-img weak content during the first cycle. Like I said before, your assessment is actually really interesting. Have a nice day/night!
@ I def get how break’s dmg is locked behind the initial break, as such the faster the better. so the question would a slower time to break be worth the hassle/ will it do more dmg in the long run. maybe, we def gotta see. using quick brain math, if u can break 1 turn sooner. it could like like 20dmg(initial break)+10dmg+10dmg. im assuming going sustainless would look look like 0+30dmg+30dmg. (starting with this 10 dmg, im adding another 10 due to tingyuns superbreak instance/debuffs and also another 10 for that inital break) i actually saw tingyun giving the buff to an aventurine in this acheron team so every aventuine ba also inflicts the def shred. it was hella creative htb has a disgusting amt of toughness dmg and against a boss like hoolay, itd be so nice to utilize some of it imo. theyd chunk a decent bit even if only 50%. also pairing htb and tingyun, theres about to be DDD spam, esp in pf if u look at the leak gameplay. and if u have e2 ty, holy is that team gonna go crazy
You're underestimating Feixiao and overestimating Fugue in your prediction for 2.7 imo. The reason she's way ahead of other DPS units right now isn't only because she's the best partner for Robin, but also because her kit allows her to be ran with a Sub-DPS. This is why her team has the highest ceiling because you're basically running multiple damage dealers in her team paired with Robin's insane buffs that everyone can benefit from. Feixiao's single-target feats are still superior compared to Boothill even with Fugue meanwhile Rappa and Firefly can only really come close on certain bosses where the enemies have shared HP mechanic. Feixiao's going to remain on top unless Fugue somewhat becomes absolutely game-changing in the next beta updates.
actually, i would say fua and break is a lot more similar than u think. both are actually back loaded dmg, with break needing the enemy to be broken first and fua needing to build fei stacks/getting energy. both team types has everyone on the team become subdps’. whether it’s bc of robin or superbreak in a break team with a sustain, i want to say feixiao would beat break, but break would beat the other current fua dmg dealers (imo, could be wrong) with break being able to viably switch to a sustainless comp while fua’s best sustain will still be aventurine, i have no doubt break will outdmg fua in 2.7. but ofc, we’ll have to see if there are any game changing changes to fugue or sunday in v3
@@yun3_ Feixiao has a sustainless comp though, consisting of Bronya, Robin, and March/Topaz. There are several runs with this team, even against Hoolay.
@@dazzlingninja im saying it doesnt exist , more so just saying how practical it will be for many players as opposed to something like a sustainless break, which gets sustain via by breaking👍
@@yun3_ that take is definitely something cause having a practical sustainless team doesn't really mean anything if it's dishing out less damage than Feixiao's team. As I've said on my OG comment, Boothill with Fugue is still inferior to Feixiao. Sustainless Boothill Fugue took 6 cost to 0-cycle 2.7 MOC boss Svarog with 2.3M HP and that's with Trotters to help with the damage. Sustainless Feixiao took 5 cost to 0-cycle 2.6 MOC boss Banacademic with 5M HP and that's with the MOC turbulence not even helping. Svarog has 20% Physical RES same as Banacademic having 20% Wind RES. Feixiao is still way ahead against the best Single-Target Break DPS and the only way Firefly and Rappa can actually contend with Feixiao's performance is on break-oriented shared HP bosses like Choir and Banacademic cause they have advantages there.
@@dazzlingninja I actually havent seen feixiao fight the Banacademic, but have seen the boothill run you're talking about. ig for what i'll say, ill talk about how they compare to hoolay. I have seen both characters beat him with 2 cost teams, ofc both with very complicated setups. both quite frankly speaking do pretty relative damage(for this particular case of 2 cost). I understand how this moc buff favors boothill, but tldr, it's how it's gonna be for boothil once he switches from RM/htb > fugue. This moc also greatly favors feixiao seeing how aventurine is getting so many stacks for feixiao from hoolay. As such, I would say it's pretty fair. Once we start getting more premium, it's still pretty close from what ive seen. If boothill manages to break both bars, easily nearly one shots one of hoolay's phases. But seeing the sustainless comps of boothill and firefly(2.7), they do disgusting dmg. Also, almost every leaker ive seen for firefly plays TY and her superbreak so bad. They keep letting the other units break instead of FF which literally doubles the dmg -_-
I would say in the same manner that HTB is pretty future proof due to the super break instance that is provided, fugue will be as well for break teams 👍
@ thanks! Do you think the super break buffs they provide will be interchangeable? Htb is already really good and I can’t imagine tingyun being that much better without breaking the meta ..
@ so htb does have a higher super break multiplier than TY depending on how many enemies are on the field, but both ty makes this up via the exo toughness. both give similar ammounts of Break effect to a unit/team iirc. so yes, they are pretty interchangeable BUT currently speaking, htb deals much higher toughness dmg with his skill vs tingyuns enhanced BA. they really need to buff her ult cost in v3 to keep her at a similar level 👌
just wanna say, ty everyone for being respectful in the comments. has been enjoyable going through all of em 🥸👍 also id move blade down in 2.7 😞
Ima change that 😈 (joke)
@ i pay Ulquiorra to teach u a lesson. (joke, im broke)
Its a good thing my goat Jing Yuan is still the reigning dps champ (I'm delusional)
Nah, you are safe, Sunday is gonna save him
@@theshade0038 ur not even wrong the powerspike due to sunday is actually goin to be insane
Jing Yuan is atleast gonna be tier 1 or 0.1 because of Sunday
@@nyes4596you wish
@@andrewchatman622 T0 may be cope, but T1 is very much possible. It's such a huge powerspike for him that his damage is close to 2.x DPSes.
As Topaz haver from her first debut, you can call me investment master lol.
Jing Yuan soon catches up.
📈 📈
Investing in victory means playing the long game!!!
From me as a Topaz fan since her drip marketing to you: keep it up buddy, they're buffing us
I get lucky by getting 5 copies of JY (E4) in like 150 pulls while trying to E6 TY that time. I always wondering why this luck cant be on other unit, but now his E1 and E4 gonna benefit a lot from sunday 😂
We day 1 Topaz enjoyers really are part of the IPC's Strategic Investment Department
It's Robin's world and we're just living in it.
WELCOME 🎵 TO MY 🎶 WOOOOOOORRRLDDDD 🎶🎵🎶🎵
Zero cycle Jingliu isn't real
It can't hurt you
0 cycle Jingliu *No healer* :💀
@@ThuyNguyen-nh6hi her teammates all at 1hp💀
I like how the whole video mono quantum just sits comfortably in viable but never in the spotlight. A very accurate representation of its solid power but lack of focus by the community.
we really need a new quantum unit that isn't locked by either a gimmick(seele) or being a gambling addict(qingque) xueyi doesnt count since she prefers a break team rather than mono quantum
@ yeah mono quantum has always been a unit or two away from being incredible. The dps is definitely the slot with the most room for improvement.
The day quantum finally gets a new 5* DPS will be glorious
If they follow the current style of DPS characters and create a QUA DPS that can implant QUA weakness on the enemies, then we will probably also bench Silver Wolf.
Honestly my favorite dps, E2 Lunae, has aged liked fine wine, outside of pure fiction of course since in that mode the rules are all wacky and Herta is somehow a top tier dps.
I’ve found that saving up and making a few hyper premium teams I enjoy playing and farming god artifacts on them is both more effective and fun than trying to keep up with the meta. Just my personal play style though.
This is why almost all content creators view the game in a vastly different light to me. They assume that having E2 characters and being f2p or near it isn’t compatible. It is. I just have a much smaller roster of more powerful 5 stars.
@@viviblue7277 i play the same way as you lol. most efficient way imo. in genshin, many of my characters are c2s1 so i have like no premium 5*s. for hsr, i also invest a bit with many being e0s1 or e1s1. i do go e2s1 ff tho >:)
hes also my favourite!
i got him e2s1 on his original banner and have never looked back.
not once have i struggled with an moc since
and then in 2.0 i got his e3
my standard team for him is luocha (e0s1), tingyun (e6, ddd), and ruan mei (e1 memories). just many skill points and constant 300k+ enhanced basics
I totally agree with you! I invest in the teams that i truly like, in my case i have an e1s1 ff and I’m aiming for her e2 in the future and to get fugue too, ff is my favorite character so i wanna have her in the best condition to be playable for future content
I just started playing the game so just looking for characters that are cool that won't hold me back too much I'm trying to pull acheron or firefly
@@dominicwilliams214 i think if u like firefly or acheron, then go ahead and pull them. BUT, if u get firefly, though u do have harmony trailblazer, i would highly recommend either a fugue or ruan mei as the 2nd support. for acheron, she can do just fine but would really want a jiaoqiu.
i would say, if any of the 3.x characters have piqued ur interest, perhaps pull sunday to prep for the future remembrance characters :) GLHF
Break meta ruined everything, new crit value based dps must have insane scale to compete (yunli and feixiao)
knowing hoyo, theyll bring it back somehow
Nah i love the break characters, building crit characters is hell with my relic luck, and it's a lot of fun to use
My favourite will always be Seele regardless of how the game turns out
Fr
Preach!!
I personally only pull for characters I like rather then following the meta, but yet meta still fascinates me.
I honestly have a smaller roster of 5 stars (mostly because I've lost almost every 50/50 except for the super early Topaz and Firefly wins) but I honestly don't care. I also have like two 5 star signiture light cones for two of my absolute favorite DPS characters and I'm happy to spoil them!
hell yah, gotta treat ur favs right. 👑 that’s what i also go by. you’ll never catch me giving them anything less of goated relics😤
Remember Jing Yuan nation, Jing Yuan will rise with Sunday
with the buffs to sunday on v3. yah most def
I really love meta time-lapse videos. Saw one years ago with Keebster for Honkai impact 3rd and it was crazy he put it into a real time flow chart.
thinking about it now, i probably shouldve shown the “average” great dmg during the different time periods, like how doing 60-80k was top tier during 1.4 and now during 2.6, 100-200k frequent attacks or 400+ for nukes is considered gud
0:10 aint no way bro missing 2 crit on jingliu 💀
oh i had like 10 cr on her. only like hp relics to make it look believable xd
I love looking to history like this so much. Your insight is spot on. Please give us more!
perhaps i can do this type of content in like a year or so, covering the entirety of 3.x :)
@yun3_ Thank you. Looking forward to it. Already subscribed and put notification on!
@@yun3_ perfect!
@@pongphontan9513 heck yah. will release a video sometime after my final on thursday :)
Great Vid!
its clear you've done your homework and is speaking from a position of knowledge of the meta and how it developed
its super refreshing considering how a lot of the community just bicker without considering the wider picture and go with vibes to ascertain who is better etc...
my one and only contention is that while JQ has yet to actually be recognized for his strengths, they absolutely are there, he effectively is allowing Acheron to stay relevant and is also a brilliant alternative to Topaz for Feixiao but more importantly Ratio who appreciates JQ's Debuffs greatly and struggles with Topaz pre E1/S1 even at higher eidolon investment JQ is equivalent if not outperforms Topaz in a Ratio Robin Aven/Gallagher comp a majority of the time
outside this awesome vid would love to see more from you
wow ty for the comment :) I will say when making some of the charts, i legitimately would stare at my screen for like 10 minutes and be like “tf, something is wrong but i cant tell what”. though im pretty satisfied with the end result. had to change some stuff like half way through.
for jiaoqiu, I do agree he is slept on right now. He is amazing for acheron no doubt and she’d be in a pretty bad spot rn without him. IMO rn, he is very similar to ruan mei. I think he excels at being the 3rd support in hypercarry/sustainless comp as the 2 other harmonies often give so much buffs, adding a third is much less beneficial than slapping a JQ/pela
I personally think Robin is in her own tier after also using e1s1 ruan mei. BIS for fua, dot, and hypercarry if u can play it right. her ceiling is just so dam high but ofc can have a REALLY LOW floor. Ruan mei just has a high ceiling and floor. 😤
Man I love Jiaoqiu too but stop glazing him so much for Ratio, he's definitely competitive if not better for Ratio than Topaz when both are e0s0 but at e1s1 Topaz becomes MUCH better, not so much because of her buffs but rather for her personal damage, it gets pretty significant. Believe me I have both e1s1 and have tested them both multiple times.
And yes I'm aware JQ's buffs affect Robin's damage but unless she has her s1 and a godly build I don't think it's so significant ngl...
@@owoflux6025 ill take your word for it that you're making a fair comparison since i don't have Topaz
but Im saying what i am because of a showcase by a CC cornflakebutsilly that compared the two and JQ won convincingly, I'm sure the MOC itself also had a role to play in that result but tbf I said "equivalent or better"
for me just looking at the general buff coverage etc..
60 vulnerability field wide and 75 on ults that buffs both Aven and Robin vs Topaz's 50 only on FUAs only on 1 target and C.dmg buffs that ratio should already be diluted on
I know that I'm going to prefer JQ over Topaz regardless even with her Topaz's own damage
also on the buffing robin part i have her at E1S1 she does 50k per dmg proc vs 27-30k without JQ, With JQ my E0S1 Aven also hits something like 170k per ult, 100k per Fua and 90k per basic (40 form him 50 from Robin)
Is it me or the power creep with Star Rail getting overwhelming. Its annoying how characters can be useless after a year especially if a person sunk so much time on them.
@@komgoo4974 the endgame modes these past 2 patches have DRASTICALLY gotten more difficult and only will get more difficult.
The only way u can have ur dps’ not get left behind is if u get the right supports… honkai support rail. by getting robin, i saved my jingyuan and jingliu, but even then, aint no fua or break team😞
@@yun3_ with an s1 Jingliu and her most common team (Bronya, Luocha and Ruan Mei) it still took me 7777777777777 CYCLES to beat Aventurine BRUHHHHHHHHHH. I’ve seen people try it with Fall of an Aeon jingliu it literally looked impossible. I just wish I can have fun playing my favourite characters😞
@ yah, i used pela instead and ;-;. after i got robin and used the op comp with her, bronya, and gally, i think 1-2 cycles iirc. supports make the world.
Meanwhile I still rock with Raiden c2r1 in Genshin since 2.5 till 5.1 lol (still use her)
I feel no powercreep 😮
Dunno if any e2s1 dps can have such longevity
@@discreaminant I know e2 dhil is still performing strong, and e2 feixiao will likely be good for quite some time. I'm ngl, I cannot use c0 dps raiden and get "gud" results. she's been full em for like 1-2 years now
17:24 Thick of it jumpscare, you've been warned
wait till they see the end >:)
Covers are welcome, they fulfil the different beat, different melody, different sound effects, different artist, different theme, different message and a different genre requirement, therefore they go hard 🔥🔥🔥
17:02 omg i still remember this moc
it took me 5 tries to clear this shit and it took me 6 fucking cycles
since then I benched her
thanks for your service jingliu
twas a hard time for jingliu mains. their reddit was funny af during that time tho
Everyday I see Topaz being low in the rankings, I thank my stars that I pulled Topaz, but she just keeps getting better and better. As more FUA gets released, you can now put March/Moze on one side, Topaz on the other, and just go ham.
@@ALegendarySol rly now? i feel most ppl at this point have to to terms she has been one of the best aging characters and now some of the strongest ones at this point
@yun3_ I should have said lower in the rankings at her launch.
I decided to pull and never used her when she was launched, but once ratio came out, and now Feixiao, it was the best investment I ever made
@@ALegendarySol ah gotchu. hypercarry topaz at the launch 🥲
in my opinion just use fugue and HMC both while kepping ruan mei, fugue is like welt in that they sustain by delaying enemies actions, you break the enemy toughness by using rappa or HMC and you get the imprisonment effect or with ruan mei and you get frezze, then the enemy action will be delayed again because of ruan mei ult
sustainless break is about to go so hard. The enemies will not be able to play the game. I can’t wait
Thanks for the informative analysis!
Good video! This was like going down memory lane.Jing Yuan was my first limited 5 star carry
@@1993bassmasta i felt that way while making the video xd.
OMG that Tingyun in a neckbrace made me snort a drink.
Bro I love your voice it's very soothing to hear from headphone's, and btw great video keep up the good work😄👍
ty :) will do just that
22:30 Seele is suprisingly good with Robin ,she's on the same level as Bronya. Robin and seele not only synchronize well together, but with bronya or sparkle on the same team can make seele have so many actions that she's able to clear MOC12, PF4, and AS4 with cycles to spare.
i gotchu. i still dont fully know the interaction with seele and robin. i read that robin cant steal the kill from seele, but when im using say a gallagher and the physical dmg from robins ult gets the kill cuz gally does no dmg, the energy goes to robin. so idk how it goes tbh
@ I’m pretty sure Robins damage is counted before seele’s damage but I could be mistaken. I’ve seen multiple showcases of Seele, Bronya or Sparkle, (bronya works better in this team but sparkle can be used too) Robin and HuoHuo do very well in all 3 game modes, including last cycles PF4.
I can't even imagine how they'd make a more perfect teammate for Jing Yuan, but it'll be a shame if Sunday marked the end of good old "Another patch, another buff for Jing Yuan" meme Lol
i think itll still live. assuming remembrance characters focus on summons, that means maybe more summon supports
The new rememberance Mc appears to be another buff for Jingyuan allowing atk boots with while having a 134 speed Sunday
@@Kris-w4w4h the speed tuning may take a bit to get used to but once u can do it, i assume it should be pretty solid. though idk how the u can consistently bump jy before sunday after your rotation
yunli 200% does more dmg than jingliu blade and jingyuan, and sometimes even ratio
at this current point, id have to agree as she can do like 200k-400k counters if ur really stacked. with sunday coming out, maybe not. we wont know until he comes out ofc :)
Haven't finished video, so you might've already covered this. But Y'know what people aren't talking about Fugue, the potential of a Freeze/Dissociation meta. Exo toughness allows you to break twice which would mean allowing a character to actually stack dissociation per freeze. Imagine 5* Herta being an AOE Follow-up Freeze/Dissatisfaction Dps that deals more damage when the enemy is frozen.
But unfortunately the rational part of my brain doesn't think Hoyo thought of this since of the effects of the new Dps relic set that released in 2.6.
@@Rob.N.thats a rly cool idea. i totally forgot dissociations exists. theyd have to CAREFULLY balance it. it would either be complete dookie or op af like divergent uni
Do you think Sunday will buff E2 Acheron, over a Robin? I wanna listen to you because I too misjudged JQ and the fox man mogged me ngl.
(this is just my pov) i dont think so. a main draw of sunday is the ult that gives energy, which acheron cant use. I know many still put it on acheron, but id feel that it may be better to just put it on a support like jq to spam more ults tbh and build him subdps. also, robin has a super high ceiling, assuming u play Acheron, robin, jq, gally. gally qqp will be so good bc acheron cant use energy so he can only funnel to 2 ppl. (3rn cuz the bug)
My rappa i built in 20 minutes does more dmg than my seele i built over the course of 1.X and
It also doesn't help I can count with my hand all the enemys weak to Quantum in the game
And do not make me get started on my boothill
I bet you used Rappa in AoE and compared it to Seele against ST damage.
On the topic of AoE. We all know that if you can reach the DPS ceiling required for Seele she can chain her attacks making her damage increase exponentially. More so if you have DDDS5 Tingyun, Robin, Sparkle.
That's why she is very strong in Pure Fiction.
I used Seele, March 7, Robin, and Fu Xuan in current Pure Fiction and I got easy 40k.
In the ST scenario, there's no way Rappa can activate her ultimate unless you use Tingyun. She has a high energy requirement to unlock her ultimate. And when more enemies can be weakness broken she gets more energy but that's not the case in the Single Target situation.
The point is did you do your comparison in Single Target? Coz I use both and I can't say the same.
Like aside from the nuances and gimmicks of the characters' kit. It's basic knowledge that HoYo spreads the characters' damage based on their path.
Erudition will always deal more damage in AoE and Hunt will deal more damage in ST situation.
Like how Acheron deals more damage than Feixiao in AoE and the other way around.
rappa is considered much weaker than firefly. rappa will fall off once 3.0 characters come out.
A quick correction: JQ and Trend cannot coexist within an Acheron team as the "only one ult stack per turn" rule also applies to the enemy's own turn. The best team for hypercarry would thus be JQ/Aven or fu/Pela or SW depending on enemy number.
Also, although Tingyun 2 will be very strong she might not help break as much as you think:
-she faces steep competition in superbreak teams as HMC/RM/Lingsha is such an insane core (though lingsha can be swapped out as the break power can help go sustainless). Fugue will be a more "bursty" unit which means you'll have to finish fights quickly with all that delay as her superbreak is almost twice as weak as HMC's as of v2, which also means that Firefly isnt a perfect match since her thing is many turns/low damage which is why she combos so well with HMC. She will certainly get better during beta though.
- her synergy with Boothill is both more evident and also not ideal: he has high damage and low turns, the reverse of firefly, so he wants speed-related allies to help him two tap bosses. Contrary to firefly though he doesn't have a perfect team yet (Ruan Mei is great but better in hyperbreak, bronya is literally just a turn bot with 0 interesting buffs, he does synergize quite well with the def/vuln nihilities and their high toughness damage) so she might steal RM's spot in his teams.
I really hope Sunday gets buffed in beta because right now he's very subpar, he's barely better than bronya buffs wise except for summons (and even then Robin clears him with how absurd she is) and Robin basically has better buffs and damage despite him being a hypercarry support (and dont get me started on the e1).
Yes they can, if the elite has multiple actions and every action onward from the second hits the trends user, it will generate a stack
Actually Topaz's value and strength went so high that I grow tired of sub-dps Topaz and now I run full dps Topaz with Moze, Robin and Aventurine, got her E1 and have been having a lot of fun since then. Never had so much fun doing the SU until I made this decision. Zero regrets and 3.0 looks like its going to be even more bright for her.
Definitely investing in victory it's playing the long game, stonks 📈📈📈📈
making topaz the “hypercarry” is based😤📈
@@yun3_Numby is the real hardhitter too 😂
pulling sunday for my hubby jing yuan, heck yeah!
Dhil is criminally underrated
Dhil is in a similar to JL right now where 200-300k attacks just isnt groundbreaking or meta defining anymore.
His best team rn likely is sparkle, robin, and huohuo but i cannot find people running this comp. I issume while itll be rly good, is not FF break or Farm team rn
@@yun3_that is incorrect. His best comp is still good old hyper drag (referring to a speed tuning setup of a very fast sparkle, a one speed slower Bronya, and a completely speed uninvested Lunae) now with Gallagher to bless you with even more SP. The speed tuning demands of the team are outrageous so very few people bother to build it even if they have the characters.
I wish I could tell you have the performance is after magically un eidoloning my characters so I stop 0-2 cycling every MoC including the most recent one with him but standard banner and 50/50 losses saw fit to give me only Bronya and nothing else so its a E6 Bronya life for me (and of course because it’s my favorite comp even as a very low spender I got E2 and on the current patch S1 for him).
Multiplication Gallagher basically cured every SP problem hyper drag ever had, although until Lingsha came out I usually had to compromise and run a much more sub par sustain.
However, since it’s such an oldie but a goodie comp most people running it at this point have eidolons and E1 Bronya is just an assumed truth when discussing the team at this point. So it may not precisely meet your qualifications despite being the normal way to run him.
@ I guess there isnt a “right” way to play him, but i would say “normal” would be the most “common team”. that rn is like sparkle, tingyun, and a sustain. It’s not the best imo but def most common.
I would love to see ur run with this comp cuz im curious how it functions. Im very suprised you can get great results from it ngl. I find it hard to imagine how that’s his best team rn, but I am teady to have my brain 💥
@@viviblue7277 ruclips.net/video/NX3hitvvPlU/видео.htmlsi=yUrEfPhI84ZhslaZ (e2 dhil 0cycle hoolay)
this video just popped up for me and god dang does it cook. How close would you say ur current comp with dhil compares to a run like this?
@@yun3_ dhil dmg has become more consistent since sparkle release. jing liu on the other hand, doesn't deal consistant damage. her enhanced skill sometimes deal 200k, sometimes 60k because her buffs run out faster than f1.
Seele: It's my turn 🤸
As a day one Seele user, I think she will benefit more with Sunday (🤧)
I mean seeing as how Sunday is Bronya PROMax and Seele pairs well with her girlfriend.
Sunday gives 20% CRIT rate, a good amount of CRIT damage, energy regeneration and his buffs lasts for 2-3 turns.
I do hope his energy regeneration gets buffed coz Huohuo gives 20% energy to the whole team and attack% and she's an abundance unit. This might give Seele more opportunity to get her ultimate which is low cost
Seele, Sunday, Robin, and Huohuo seems like a good team.
If the enemies lack Quantum weakness the new relic set might be slightly better
@@jinminchoi838 🐦⬛ 🕊️ 🦊 Ngl, this team is probs much better than mono quantum at this point 🫠
Seele Sunday Robin and huohuo the enemy is not moving
I feel like Dan hung with sparkle, Sunday, huohuo will for sure be a viable team given speed tuning anyway but in that sense same could be said for any dps given sparkle is there for skill points and if Sunday has his lightcone he’s sp neutral
dan heng is now used for situational game modes and difficulty. all the game modes and events are geared towards new characters. The whole game is skewed towards featuring new characters. mihoyo getting people to pull for characters that fall off in 1 year. it's basically cash grab now.
The arrival of Sunday may end up bringing a lot of hope to the “Hypercarry” niche, especially with the information that potentially 3.X the meta will revolve around summon || HP Decay || Debuffs (DoT, Freeze, etc) || Summon (being a generalist gimmick like FUA is included in many kits). Many old characters may return to the spot in the meta with “premium teams” closed around the specific gimmick of that character and obviously also give new teams besides of the “Only break” and “Only FUA” currently accompanied by spam of fire-lightning-electric weakness. From what the 3.X character information indicates, we could see a "Furina" HSR version (maybe a Nihility amplifier and subdps that benefits A LOT from HP fluctuation) that would end up complementing the BiS team of characters like Jingliu/Blade + Sunday + "Furina" + Sustain and also entering teams like the leaked destructions that are a "duo" playing together (prob. Destruction 1 + Destruction 2 + "Furina" + Sustain?) using HP like Blade and also the “Hp decay” gimmick, and that “Furina” would also end up implementing extra forms of damage amplification and damage contribution to the team (since the trend of inflating the HP of mobs is eventually demanding extra forms of damage on the characters' team since 1 single source is not enough to face the other teams potential if the sups or the carry isnt well invested). On the other hand, characters like Jiaoqiu may end up gaining even more value with other characters that require buffs for AoE ult, debuffs and derivatives, which everything indicates is heading towards that, and DoT may also end up finally having a premium team focused on them, with some nihility that makes the DoT crit and also activates the DoTs since Kafka is very limited in kit regarding that and a second bet of mine for the team is that the long-awaited “sustain dot” will be a nihility as well (Mono Ninility comp goes crazy, even more so with information that there are ~5 Nihility in development for Amphoreus). Along with that we have summon which is a “gourmet hypercarry” in essence (2 characters in 1 + 2 amplifiers + 1 flex sustain or amplifier), and with all this prov. we'll have the return of healers at the top of the sustain value with the new team combo (after the Aventurine empire over everyone almost everywhere), HP fluctuation with a potential Furina, freeze teams (time for Misha to shine?) that should bring an abundance of T5 ice to close the comp (and then they would even enter a fluctuation team with JL for example).
Amphoreus seems like it's going to be very interesting with the character path cast that is being planned by the data leaks (1 Hunt, 1 Abundance, 1 Harmony, ~5 Destruction & 5 Nihility, ~3 Erudition) and finally bringing space to niches like HP Fluctuation which is a gimmick left aside without being explored since 1.X, like DoT and still bringing freeze and summon again... New world new possibilities, looking forward to it!
very detailed look for the potential future. I will say, i hope if they ad a furina in this game, she can be a sustain instead, as i feel our hp drainers rn really need both support slots
Sunday one last hoorah for hypercarry before they fall off by 3.0. Don't forget hits per action. That can be important too.
I still use seele to this day as iam not gonna stop coping that she been crept 😭😭
i think feixiao will still be at the top after fugue until servants come IMO great video
Im actually curious how they will introduce a summoner meta. Will it be by introducing an OP summoner dps( jingyuan but op) or an op summoning support(not just sunday)
@@yun3_ we probably get 4 star free summon dps on the same banner that they sell 5 star summon dps.
@@yun3_ i think the former. If they fully want to sell a new archetype, it better be by means of deceitful way i.e. a dps that'll decorate the archetype as a very good one like how acheron did it.
Next world will be AOE, AOE, and more AOE (0 new Hunt units slated for release and Erudition is tied with Destruction for the most common path).
There's also the leaks about Hoyo adding a 2nd or 3rd row of enemies.
While this is all subject to change, I'm just highlighting how Feixiao might not be as powercreep proof as you might think.
@@kingsimba9513 If they do add another row, i wonder if itll be like u need to kill all the enemies in the front to access the back like rpg games, or if u can atk either row( aka just more enemies on screen
great video!!!!!
tyty :)
himeko + topaz was broken on its release, I remember clearing the fire + wind weak moc faster (0 cycle) with this team than with blade (and I had a really good blade)
dr ratio is amazing being a temporary free unit and surpassing the 1.x apex il and jl little by little.
now i will continue to cope about jy getting a giga rise with sunday
genuinely think RTB will be the savior of blade. in Mem we trust
that 1st Aventurine moc boss is super hard for jingliu
yah it took me by surprise too
This is a pretty good video. I doomposted JQ but honestly I was glad to be wrong since he's still good outside Acheron and DoT. I tried him with other characters (cuz I have no Acheron nor do I want her anymore) and he did crazy for my Argenti (from 300k per max ult to 400k to 500k with Tingyun and Huohuo both girls have the new Lushaka set, JQ replaced my Sparkle since my Argenti was already 240 crdmg that's including his E1) and Jingliu (used her with Jiaoqiu, Robin/Ruan Mei, and then Luocha/Gallagher).
I think people are forgetting that new world = new Trailblazer path. Personally, I think Fugue is there to replace Harmony MC once their new path is here. And tbh I don't think Break is staying in the meta. Problem with Break is honestly if Hoyo decides to drop more characters like SAM boss that has Weakness Toughness locked then Break is rendered useless for those enemies. And from what's going on in the subreddit I read that Hypercarries/Summon and/or HP decay are gonna be the new meta in 3.X and there won't be any new Harmony characters for a while because they found a bunch of Nihility units focused on Summons too. But who knows? We'll just have to wait and see. But if anyone is going for meta, best investment is always get the Harmony character at E1 and they have alternative LCs too.
While I'm still pulling for Fugue at E0, it's still shit of Hoyo to revolve her Ult requirements with her E2. From the gameplays I've seen for V1 (v2 was basically wording changes), she has only Ult twice and barely did anything. Hope she gets the JQ treatment and have her E2 moved to base kit if they're gonna justify that 150 Energy for her Ult or lower her Ult energy requirements. Her stats aren't doing great for her either because they're so low compared to HMC who she should be replacing in the future.
Sunday also is a bit underwhelming because his kit makes him Bronya Pro max + Summons. But he's fine as is in terms of base kit compared to Fugue, he just needs more Energy Regen tho since he's a single target but yeah, his Eidolons need work too because only whales are going after that crazy E6. I'm still gonna get his E1S1 regardless of how his kit will end up cuz I've been waiting for his man and sadly skipping my girl Rappa for him. My Jing Yuan needs him lolz
very valid criticisms. the thing is, hoyo can realistically counter any playstyle. for fua, just make enemies get more shields and counter attack like an aventurine, like that one rock trotter in Gold & Gears. any counter teams, just give the enemies attacks that dont hit u like dot. my mindset is if they just add a one off enemy, oh well, u get countered. if they add EVERY enemy like that, then play style is cooked.
from what ur saying for 3.x, if any of that is true, i will be very interested to see.
I personally think tingyun is in a fine spot rn besides that ult ult. she does what she needs to do which is implanting exo toughness and providing superbreak. No spamming DDD like htb until e2 tho. i dont mind the base stats and actually like her high def
for sunday, i think everything about him is fine besides the eidolons. buffs ofc would be appreciated for both characters
@yun3_ true on the part about Hoyo putting counters. Every playstyle has their pros and cons which I appreciate as someone who likes getting new characters (I don't do vertical investment and I have a gacha addiction so lolz). Goes to show they know what they're doing when it comes to making enemies but not when it comes to harder content (the HP inflation is pure hell because the characters dmg feel like wet noodles. But manageable for me imo since I can clear content just fine).
While leaks should always be taken with a grain of salt, I'm sure on the summon meta especially with the Fate Stay Night collab in late 2025 since Fate has a servant system. I think the HP decay just might happen because they had no reason to release a new free destruction LC that benefits Blade, of all characters.
I think they can do better since for Fugue's current beta kit, she has like 10(?) toughness break on her while HMC has 20 (or was it 25?) which are what most people are complaining about in the subreddit since she's a break support that does damage but her own toughness break and super break buffs are so low. She gives 30 (or was it 40?) BE which is good but unlike HMC, she doesn't earn extra energy from having characters break weakness so it's hard for her Ult time. Fugue's kit seems to have bad synergy for Firefly because she needs those HMC buffs more compared to Rappa and Boothill. Tbh I have both Boothill and Firefly but I enjoy my Boothill more. Ruan Mei with S5 DDD + E2 Fugue would go so hard tho lolz
Yeah Sunday is fine, but after thinking about it more, he's only underwhelming for me because his kit is taken from other characters and so doesn't feel new but he's still pretty op when you consider he has everything a Hypercarry unit needs-Crit Rate (25% Crit Rate is huge), Crit Dmg, Energy Regen, Advance Forward, and DMG increase (his LC alone gives out 45% DMG increase at S1) and he then gives out like additional 40% or 50% dmg to those with summons. With his LC he can basically go ham with his skill because he regenerates SP and doesn't use SP depending on the turn.
Hopefully Fugue and Sunday don't have any of their kits nerfed and only get buffed next week (we're already at V2 of the beta but it's only wording changes) because they're both extremely hyped characters.
good video! hope it gets more view
tyty ☺️ i hope more ppl tune in too
I still remember skipping jingliu for topaz
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babe wake up, new yugi comment :)
22:34 Gallagher isnt needed here as much as people think as a property tuned Seele/Sparkle+ Resurgence should give a fairy decent amount of energy to robin by themselves
so one gally qqp set up grants robin 32 energy, and generally can get 1-2 more procs in depending how it goes. seele while getting an extra turns can give 2*(x) energy, it likely isnt enough to keep robin having a 100% uptime imo
The powercreep is not that great is HSR and the variation of power between two characters can easily change with a single release. Sometimes also, the lack of popularity of a character will make him overshadowed even if he's very strong (like Rappa) or the best support for a DPS (like Jiaoqiu for Yunli or even Feixiao, ahead of Topaz).
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A DPS character age well when he can do his job without too much conditions and where their is a lot of DIFFERENT ways to buff him :
A good exemple for that is Dr.Ratio because he is a very complete character at base :
- exceptionnal base stats and competitive LC
- he has a lot of self-buffs
- he can be buffed in a lot of ways (typical crit DPS stats but also the number of debuffs you put on the target, follow-up attacks, energy, etc ...)
All of this make him able to be buffed exponentially by his mates and to have a very high synergy with a lot of characters. For an "old" character he aged pretty well despite not having very high multipliers himself. His BiS team has evolued a lot patches after patches which is a good thing.
At the opposite, a character like Jingliu that was looking OVERLY strong at release aged quite bad. She is just a brutal character with a lot of free stats, but with investment you realize that all you can do is giving her more crit damage / % damage / attack despite she already saturate quite a lot in these stats. so unlike Ratio for exemple, the buffs she receives are more linear than exponentials. She lack a niche so all you need to be better than her is "having more numbers".
However ... having a niche is not everything, if it's too specific ... the investment into the character can be a bit risky. Because after all, not everyone can receive the (impressive) Jing Yuan treatment. It's very reasonable to expect more DoT units in the future (and maybe also an alternative to Kafka) but it's more uncertain that we will get a dedicated support for Blade.
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Sadly, their is still cases of PURE powercreep in the game but it's clearly not the norm. Without the deserved / reasonable nerf Sunday receive, he would have been better than Sparkle in absolutly every situation and for every character which is clearly unhealthy. The nerf let top tier but (a little bit) universal.
great take. when it comes down to it, many things just boil down to "having more/bigger numbers" ;-;
ofc practicality/context matters a lot tho
counter arguement for picking ruan mei is: you can't break if enemies lock their break stat but you can add another break in
I'm interested with what they do with Fugue's V3. To me right now, her least synergistic partner is Firefly despite both being fire because Firefly barely interacts with exo toughness.
Do they push further towards her synergy with Rappa/Himeko and do something like giving her EBA colorless breaking? Or do they push back towards her being HMC replacement for Firefly?
Otherwise, as a 2.X player the rundown of the olden days was nice. I wonder who the 5* version of 4* Tingyun will be, seems she's the only one left.
yah, FF is definitely benefitting not as much compared to the rappa > boothill cuz she needs hmc and rm a lot, while rappa gets a big upgrade going from hmc/RM to tingyun.
I actually think the biggest winner from this is HMC and Dance dance dance. U are about to get so many ddd procs in a mode like pf and the right moc
I think ff and rappa’s best teamwould be RM,TY, and HTB, while boothill likely will be RM, TY, and Sunday.
I think 5* version of the 4* ty has to be TY again. This time, an abundance character where every time she heals, grants the appropriate energy 😤
20:03 wdym “firefly’s energy issues”? She’s like the only character in the game without energy issues. Free ult after her first action, GUARANTEED, and unless you’re fighting a boss you won’t need to build up energy again (and even if you do, it only takes 2 turns)
@@alexmagnan6124 Ik in the grand scheme of things, clearing just 1-2 cycle slower isnt the end of the world. but when firefly exits her state without a battery or getting enough kills/hit enough times, it really hurts her performance. if ur ff leaves her enhanced state twice, it is not a pretty run
if u normally 0 cycle, it’s not rly an issue👍
I think you’re getting caught up in the hype around Sunday a tad. He’s less Bronya Pro Max and more Bronya with summon spice. In all my calcs he’s consistently worse than a Bronya with 2 more eidolons than him at every step on almost every non summon hyper carry team.
really now. I would imagine sunday would almost always perform better than Bronya in a -1 speed situation as his buffs simply last for the two turns while bronya only has her buff up half the time
@yun3_ yeah that was my first impression too. Then I actually ran the numbers (ignoring Sunday’s huge technique advantage since that’s hard to calculate with varying clear lengths). He’s got way more uptime but the buffs are actually weaker overall so it averages out to sidegrade and his unexciting eidolons really don’t narrow the gap. I think his absurdly powerful technique will help to sell his banner but won’t be nearly as impactful on his long term performance.
There’s also the not irrelevant matter of how he has multiple points of anti synergy with sparkle compared to Bronya having multiple synergies which weirdly make him always worse in hyper drag teams which I did not expect to be the case because that’s where I feel the limited duration of Bronya’s buffs the most (well did until the game decided I should lose 2 50/50s to Bronya in a row and also get 2 of the standard banner in a row, wow E6 is comically strong it’s not a fair comparison at all).
Generally when looking at full comps his performance always soured as he doesn’t really have good synergy with other characters and everything he does is single target.
Of note I did almost all my calcs with Sunday at S0, but the few that I did with S1 found it very very strong.
i see. ill keep that in mind then. also, frik man. i want e6 bronya so bad. im e2s3 rn ;-; e6 seems so dam far away ffs
@@viviblue7277calcs pre release can be deceiving, it’s best to just wait until release to assess power level. Look at what happened with jiaqiu, everyone’s calcs said he was a worse guin
Ive seen ppl talk that sparkle's buff is still much bigger than sunday?
I think what rly is important is his ability to forward the summons tbh.. the bronya-like buffing is looking kinda like his side gimmick
You're sleeping too much on Yunli, no way jingyuan will be the better dps even after Sunday releases. Yunli herself benefits a lot from Sunday even if she has no summons.
@@kebabenjoyer1 maybe. the issue comes with the opportunity cost that yunli has from switching the likes of sparkle. the upgrade for yunli from sparkle > sunday is nowhere as much as it is for jingyuan. but ofc, we’ll just have to see 👍
Yeah, Yunli is statistically the 3rd best dps in the game (average performance across all modes).
@@kingsimba9513 would you mind showing me where u got that she is performing 3rd rn? i only know prydwens current data for this moc, where she’s near like 6-8 iirc.
@@yun3_ you might've looked at the wrong Prydwen page because she currently has the third fastest clear (for a main dps). Feixiao is at 6.01 average cycles, then FF at 6.56, then Yunli at 7.17, then Boothill at 7.57, then Acheron at 7.98 and so on.
If you scroll down you'll also see the average performance of characters across the last 3 MOC phases. Yunli is actually the 2nd fastest here (behind Feixiao but ahead of FF).
As for the last 3 phases of AS, Yunli is ranked 4th behind Feixiao, FF, and BH.
@@kingsimba9513 i just saw the bottom of www.prydwen.gg/star-rail/memory-of-chaos
there is a note “Keep in mind that sometimes the data can be skewed - for example high usage rate usually negatively impacts the character cycles and the opposite also happens when a character isn't that popular, but performs above expectations thanks to dedicated fans. We don't take the data at face value, but further correlate it with our testing to get a better picture of which characters make clearing MoC easier.
Characters with * behind the data only have 1 phase worth of data, so they are pretty skewed.”
the subtle foreshadowing at the intro 😭
honestly, a bit TOO subtle ngl 😤
Also, I will say I got Jingliu WAY too late. I don't think I have ever used her on any endgame mode after I built her and tested her. She has fallen way behind in terms of setting up her damage cycle. Other characters get that same cycle for free, turn 1. You could have similar damage ceilings, but have a lower floor, or just how fast it takes you to get to that ceiling. As for me, I had S5 GNSW and atrocious luck in Acherons domain. Yunli I went 2 weeks without her sig and decided she was incredible, the best character I had ever played, so I picked up her LC, I got Robin, a character I dislike personally, legit just for her. Although, Aventurine was the best investment for the account. There is no MoC or endgame mode where he isnt there. Gallagher and Huohuo are crazy too but something about sub dps Aventurine with signature just helps immensely.
it’s honestly difficult to justify dps reruns cuz the endgame modes at that time probs wont be catered toward them, making it difficult to make them perform well unless u got the right supports
As someone who started playing just because liked Robin and Firefly designs and got both in their releases (even if needed pity for Robin and hard pity for firefly after losing 50-50), I see this as an absolute win
For now I'm looking forward to get some eidolons and cones for them, I also want Fugue for Firefly and I got Lingsha, I still need to think who I want to use with Robin (I dont like Feixiao, so need to see another char, maybe I should try getting Topaz later to go with Hunt March)
Yah FF e1 is such a nice quality of life change and e2 goes brrr.
I want to say robin is so strong to the point where she is the best in slot support for hyper carry as well if you want to go down that route, if FUA isnt ur taste. Just be aware u need to play a specific way to make it work. With sunday coming up, pairing those 2 up will be the best hyper carry core :)
10:34 people who pulled her really were investing in victory...
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finally after 1 year, my jing yuan is become usable 😭😭
just a “lil” bit more than usable xd
(Acheron's best team at e0s1 is Jiaoqiu, Robin, Gallagher (with QPQ))
@@pally3370 i figured as much. 🕊️ 🕊️ 🕊️
I knew Fugue was strong but I didn’t think she was this strong. I might have to consider getting her E1 on her rerun since I wouldn’t have enough pulls for her initial banner
This is just v1/2, but hopefully she stays this strong throughout the beta or heck even get some buffs
@@yun3_she's honestly really under tuned at the moment but they can't really buff her because if they do she'll be insane.
@@samuelbutler3332 you think so? could i ask why u think she’s undertuned?
@@yun3_ well her ult is 150 cost and despite exo-toughness being extra damage, apart from boothill and rappa she is basically unusable. It also isn't helped that hmc is free and Ruan Mei is more universal. If she provided buffs other than exo-toughness she would have way more utility in teams outside of break.
@@samuelbutler3332 dont forget she has the instance of super break damage like HMC so she isnt soley about exo toughness :) as such, u can finally run 2 super break teams. that 150 cost really sucks tho
i personally dont mind her being a dedicated support for break as long as she’s worth the value.
i dont think yunli is at all the same tier as blade she should be higher
it’s just my prediction of 2.7, but im just assuming sunday will be a very nice boost to blade. due to his low sp consumtion, running sunday and bronya may become his best team, who knows. unless itll still be sunday robin -_-
@@yun3_ blade just lacks a dedicated support even with sundays release yunli has all the support in the world like tingyun (her bis) robin sparkle etc, and yunli falls into the fua niche which is arguably the norm rn so thats why i consider her better than blade and shouldnt be in the same tier
@ good points. after looking into it, you’re right. blade is not on the tier of those other 3. id actually move him down instead to the usable tier instead
I've been using DoT since before 1.2 and seldom have had much of a problem. Meta is a set of jangling keys that's always going to hype the latest release as the newest, hypest hotness. Because the MOC buffs and the like are intentional thumb-on-the-scale tilting to glaze the latest release.
Different comps have different strengths and weaknesses that lend themselves to different situations. Just build a broad-based roster and use what works best.
yep thats fair and i do feel the same way. Meta could mean different things to different people with different thresholds of what is considered good. even so, at this current point, it’s hard deny that dont isnt meta in regards to sheer damage output regardless the enemy imo
I only watched for nostalgia :D
time sure flies
Remember when the Seele sills said she will never be out meta and mono quantum will be the best comp? Rough isn't it
time passes, but hey who knows, maybe mono quantum will be meta againone day
MISS XOLZE MENTIONED LESGOOOOO
She’s rly good at the game. and also rly good at hating firefly xd
All this talk of meta is miserable
Be like me: Planning to run DHIL, Blade, and JY on the same team. Whether the last slot is filled by Sunday, Aventurine, or Bailu is yet to be seen.
Try to delete the enemy before they can delete you (I'm never clearing MOC)
now u just need jingliu to complete the whole gang
jihyorge at 13:33 the third box on top row
Seeing how Break and Summon characters are eating good, I’m even more torn between who to pull between Sunday and Fugue :// They’re both SO GOOD 😭 I skipped Lingsha bc I don’t need a 4th sustain, but man, Fugue is tempting me, but Sunday as well 💀
alternate 10 pulls and see what luck gives u xd
King yuan reigns supreme
yah from the gameplay ive seen with him and sunday, he cooks pretty well now 😀
i need the v3 beta to come faster. fugue exo toughness alone in her kit is already good on paper but her performance based on showcases isn't really good because of her very low toughness reduction and her high ult cost. her eidolons are decent but they should've put that in her base kit instead.
meanwhile sunday's base kit is really good but his eidolons are weak. the only problem some ppl have with him is not being able to AA robin (which is really not a big deal)
@@kyeopmuwda i agree with mostly everything youve said such as tingyuns issues rn and sunday’s weak eidolons
my only thing i have no idea what builds they are using for their characters for any of the leaks ive watched so im taking it with a grain of salt. they do such low dmg(IMO) compared to what i normally do using a similar team (ff break and a sunday showcase i saw with JL) i get im a dolphin but that doesnt mean i should be doing like 2x their dmg
if i were to pull sunday, id honestly hate the fact he wouldnt be able to aa robin. ult img robin instead and giving her crit hurts my soul. if the ult was dmg%, i wouldntve minded tho
@@yun3_ fugue is worse for firefly than hmc bc her super break dmg is capped at 100% while hmc can go up to 160% even though she has def reduction and exo-toughness replacing hmc with her about equalizes in damage, shes only really good for rappa and better for boothill than firefly imo. At best shes a sidegrade to HMC which is very bad since e6 HMC is free while fugue is a limited 5 star
@@buhduh-k5n good points. I would say yah, they probs are rly close for ff. we also gotta mention how htb has more toughness dmg/dmg as such.
the biggest thing about fugue rn for FF imo is the ability to go sustainless and delete the enemies. plus working with a ddd tb, the potential double breaks will give so much energy
Using who you want>Meta
Just like in honkai impact and genshin I dont switch up on my day ones
My Favourite Channel, amazing work as always. I can't wait to try out something like E1 S1 Jingliu+ E1S1 Sunday (Bronya pro Max)+ E1 S1 Ruan Mei+ Robin. My Ice queen is going to be Stronger than ever. Especially with the new relic sets, am so happy.
So based. Especially going sustainless
Haha yeah, gotta make the most of it! Huohuo is welcome in the team too though @@yun3_
See, my biggest complaint with this video, and it makes sense, is that it’s only MoC. With the release of Apoc, there are 3 entire game modes to focus your account around now. I know you did it this way cuz these game modes haven’t existed for as long as MoC, but next year I think looking at how DPS characters do across all game modes will be much more fair, because Argenti (imo) is overpowered in PF and very usable in ApoC.
Overall tho, respectable video, and almost exactly where I would’ve put some people on every section as a day one player myself lol.
Saving my thoughts on fugue and Sunday for their V3 kits, but lowkey I think, if we’re assuming optimal play, jing yuan might be the best DPS in the game 😎
i see where ur coming from and maybe. i may follow up this vid from 2.7 to 3.x.
i want to say, i honestly dont like apoc shadow. It heavily favors certain playstyles and those buffs u can choose can be so strong. as such, it’s difficult to gauge how strong someone is, even more so than moc. I dont mind pf, but i gotta see with how the pf rework works.
but yah, hopefully v3 does some crazy stuff. lets see if jinyuan gets any stronger
@ real, I only say this because if we’re using the endgame game modes as a metric assuming it’s for the Jade, we should consider all the rotations to rank a DPS. Makes rappa even stronger currently yes, but I think rappa is a unit everyone will be wishing they pulled for in about 3 months when they realize what fugue rappa can really do.
Heavily looking forward to the summon meta myself, gleefully preparing to wreck havoc 🔥
Yunli next to blade is insane how is anyone next to blade lol. Yunli should be higher as she’s better than Ratio rn and will get even better with Sunday as he gives her buffs for multiple turns and energy
yah blade def should move down a tier, but i would keep yunli where she’s at. the question is whether or not hypercarry yunli is better than something like acheron or RRAT, which i dont believe so. depending on sunday goes, perhaps she moves up in my 2.7 list.👌
@ Acheron has been struggling for a while now hypercarry yunli and definitely outdamages rrat according to calcs
Acheron changed everything
Nah, Prydwen's new toggle literally shows that Acheron with eidolons and sig is only 5% and 15% better than E0 Feixiao and FF, respectively.
Acheron fell off hard, and I say this as an Acheron main with a top #91 (0.1%) build on Seeleland.
@kingsimba9513 I meant about her release , the moment she released the gap btw her and other dps was way bigger and she set the standard for upcoming new dps and we all knew after acheron we will start getting dps at her level or higher which is no surprise
And also as acheron simp I will also defend her
Fexia when released had her best limited 5 star team available and it hadn't been long since her release so meta and endgame buffs and enemies are all in her favor rn
Acheron only have 1 premium support which was released later and that's all( she can use 4 star but it's not her premium team)
I hope when dot meta begins she gets indirect buff and can be used in that team for eg while dot do damage it also fill acheron ult and her ult become extra big damage on dot damage
It will very fun
At last I will I don't hate any charater I like some charater then more but all charaters are cool and love to have them and about them being meta ,
Every charater will fall off hard so it's not a new or surprising thing
As long as acheron and clear endgame doesn't matter if endgame favor her or not I don't have problem
@@ryuk6795 Fair points. I too wish that Acheron would get a bit more love, but I'm sort of past the coping stage. It's clear Hoyo are willing to gut previously op teams/archetypes (DHIL, JL, Sparkle, DoT, etc) so they could easily just add Acheron to that list.
I hope not though. Time will tell.
@kingsimba9513 ya man , the powercreep is insane in this game and it happens way to fast , I am trying to get charater that can clear content for me even though game don't favor them ( I am a new player don't have many. Charater)
@@ryuk6795 I agree, Acheron was the clearest increase in power, even more so than Jingliu or release. and like u said, she also has so much room to grow, seeing she only has 1 dedicated support rn. though itd be interesting if they somehow make dotcheron her best team
0:09 negative crit rate oml 💀
i think i had near 5-10 cr for that bit xd
@ LMAO thank god I thought you had a good ratio but rng messed you up
oh no. i was like maybe like 10/60 with hp pieces. if i did have a normal build, it wouldve been around 600k i believe
Wouldnt be suprise if midyuan new best team just straight up on par with acheron 💀
At E0 he'll be much better than Acheron. Heck, Prydwen's new toggle literally shows that Acheron with eidolons and sig is only 5% and 15% better than E0 Feixiao and FF, respectively.
Acheron fell off hard, and I say this as an Acheron main with a top #91 (0.1%) build on Seeleland.
@@kingsimba9513so archeron zero cycles slower now, oh the horror
@@Saberdud ??? You do realise that virtually any team (excl. troll picks like Argenti/Blade) have been able to effortlessly 0 cycle phase 1 right? The main bottleneck is always phase 2, and Acheron's struggled for the past three MOC's:
- version 2.3 with Argenti
- version 2.4 with Aventurine
- version 2.5 with Hoolay
Find me a 5-cost or less Hoolay 0 cycle, you can't. The lowest I've found on YT is 8-cost, but that's cheating the system as they used an E2 Bronya. All the ones without Bronya I've seen are 10-cost or above.
What a joke.
@@kingsimba9513 yea ngl i have not really use acheron these days except if i am bored .. there is noticable bad performance of her which she usually can just brute force the past moc but after the moc 12 enemy hp increase everytime it just getting hard .. i have her 70 cr 200 cd with sig lc ... I never really change the relic since i got her and she work great but nowadays it kinda meh .. like damn .. at this rate the old character might be unusable ... Good things for jingyuan getting best supports for him .. hopefully the old character get dedicated support to make them relevant
@@testingabc6207same my acheron only purpose is only insta kill mobs for grinding weekly DU probably because im being stubborn and not pulling jiaoqiu but hes so niche that i would rather bench acheron instead of getting him
Good video, but it makes me sad to not see Himeko being properly acknowledged in here besides the early 1.X era.
She's one of the characters that has received (if not the) most buffs since release and has aged for the good. At first she surely was considered the worst 5* in the game and took brainpower to clear MoC with her, but since Topaz's release things started to sail for her, even more after Pure Fiction was introduced. She then got Ruan Mei which was her most significant supportive upgrade, and around that time we already knew of Fugue's concept kit (which funny enough, it was originally for HMC's) and by then it was heavily theorized said character would be incredible for her.
Then, during early Penacony, we got all the FuA relics/planars that she could run perfectly, besides being able to pair with Robin and Jade. And then with superbreak's introduction, relics, lightcones, planar and supports+Firefly herself and her bosses, she became a more consistent pick up for MoC and AS stages with very good clear times as well, and Fugue is yet to come which can even further improve her in the three game modes.
I'm a RRAM/FARM team + DHIL E2S1 haver and alongside the FuA variants, I believe my Himeko has seen more usage than my DHIL since Penacony came out or at least be about the same, but since 2.3, Himeko took the cake. To me it's incredible how she has aged, and I say it as someone who had her since 1.1 and also got swayed by the negative perception of her kit, until I gave her a try relatively early on too and she has carried my ass since when it's an ideal playground for her.
ur right in the sense that himeko has received a lot of indirect buffs that has made her age much better than her peers, esp with fugue coming up. the issue more so lies in the more the format of moc which generally reduces the amount of fuas himeko can do in a battle. having built her myself with a nice build, she def smacks in pf for me, but for moc, she only has a very good performance against the past present enemy imo.
but if it’s a format or lineup she can excel in, she excel RLY well👍
@@yun3_ oh yeah, Choir is her bis performance in MoC for most players atm, but I also found decent succeed with her against some previous fire-weak stages such as those with Cocolia and the robots (even more paired with Jade) and I know I'm missing another one where she also did pretty good for me. In AS she has also performed well against the Doomsday beast, Cocolia, Phantylia and now Sunday too.
There's also the upcoming dinosaur tv boss that has shared hp and is also weak to fire, I expect Himeko to be a pretty good runner against it as well, and overall Fugue should improve her performance in the three modes as we are seeing in some beta showcases for MoC between them ^^
true true.
you didnt mention PF, but from my personal experience, this last PF second half was perfect for himeko and i tried both break and carry himeko with robin, gally, and tingyun. playing as optimally as i could, fua was able to get 40k pretty easily with nearly 2 cycles left while break could barely reach like 36k ish points. the dmg drop off in pf due to htb’s passive which punishes aoe superbreak rly hurts in that mode.
but yah that dino guy is about to get cooked by ff and rappa. i am curious how himeoko will do against them but ill just have to see👍
@@yun3_ you mean the newest PF? I only tried Himeko on the Bronya side as I don't have FF nor Rappa to carry me there haha but my best run there was 35k with her, but around 30k-31k is what I mostly got after many retries.
I have hopes for her against that boss, even more after Fugue comes out if it's still featured from time to time in the endgame. In about 20 mins we should be getting the V4 of her and Sunday, let's see if anything changes.
@@mokalevi436 sry the "volubility" pf against bronya and the past/confined. I havent tried her in the new pf just yet but barely got 40k with e2 ff first half. so seeing u got 30k+ is impressive.
v4 dropped and nothing major for ty but it's nice u can spam skill or tactically use it so u dont accidentally with TY
Sorry Sunday I’m all in on two super break teams so I’ll have to skip you for Fugue
yah same. im going all in and gonna snag that e2. sorry jingyuan 🥲
powercreep getitng so overkill that im starting to get tired of this game lol
Not really, most characters are in a pretty sweet spot, with some getting sweeter in the future. I think a lot of people confuse "off-meta" with being "power crept."
Bye-bye, won't be missed!
@@jaredtew3302 i will say end game is def getting harder and harder due to the nature of these games with their new units. But i will say older units can work as long as you put the resources in them (new supports 😞)
Interesting-I pull for the guys and have low eideolons. Just Robin and Jade for my non-existent Blade
gotta get sunday too if ur a husbando collector :)
Not gonna lie... i actually getting e2 Ruan Mei accidentally... and i never regret it after how very good she is😂😂😂
(Also Blade downfall started in 2.0 i guess😢😢 cuz i remember having hard time at that time😂😂😂)
Acheron at that time feels so fucking good❤❤... now i struggle because i just never get good enough relic😢😢😢
Sigh i lose my 50/50 on Sunday and get Bronya e2 what the heck😂😂😂
e2 ruan mei seems very nice but sadly for break, it doesnt rly help much ;-;
shame u lost on sunday, but you are now 1 eidolon closer to e6 bronya xd
@yun3_ yeah lmaoooo e2 Ruan Mei is accidents, but sometimes it helps
I unfortunately will skip tingyun pro, i was hoping that her kit will replace HTB, but rn her kit is looking like a replacement for RM. I will patiently wait for HTB replacement in the future
As of v2. she can replace either HTB or Ruan Mei. HTB’s main draw is the superbreak instance which TY also provides in her talent
“While Fugue is on the field and after Weakness Broken enemy targets are attacked by allies, converts the Toughness Reduction of this attack into 1 instance of 100% Super Break DMG.
so if u want super break on both sides, Ty will be a nice pick :)
@yun3_ oh i just realized that now. I'm just wondering, do you think sunday provides a good futureproof kit? I currently use firefly break team and high investment FART team with e2 feixiao, and I don't really invest too much in firefly, just enough to clear moc under 5 cycle.
So do you think i should pull fugue to improve the break team or sunday to prepare for the next meta shift?
@@veezerrscharnhorst This will just be my advice and going off of v1/2 TY/sunday so i cannot definitively say as v3/4 will likely have some changes.
quite frankly speaking, IMO rn, sunday is clearly meant for 1. singular hypercarry summoners (jingyuan and that future aglaea) and 2. an upgrade for bronya users. I honestly dont think sunday is the start of the summoning meta as i believe a future support will do that. (ex. advance ALL summons by 50%)
So I believe if u think ur gonna pull a singular hypercarry summoner in the future, go for sunday. if u want a whole summon team, i personally think wait for maybe a team wide summonAA character. But just kit wise, i think he will stand the test of time in the same way bronya has (even if not as prevalent)
I think FUA will be staying for quite some time, esp with an E2 feixiao. I bet that team smacks. realisrically speaking, ur next upgrade in the tram would be topaz, unless they somehow power creep robin/aven first which would be kinda crazy.
ur farm team realistically should 0-1 cycle for at least the next few versions, so u only need to clear in like 8-9 cycles which is def doable with ff xd.
i guess itll be up to u if u want to upgrade, but honestly an e1 or even e2 ff may be better than getting TY currently; unless u plan on going sustainless.
as a e2 ff haver, e1 is game changing. hope this helps 👍
@@yun3_ yes i currently leaning on sunday (even tho I'm not in his cult). I like to spread my accounts with multiple units just to mixmatch them in fun modes. Thx for the advice
And about the whole summon team, i still believe that every unit that has a summon will also has their own summon AA kit like topaz and lingsha, midyuan is the outlier here
@@veezerrscharnhorst oh fair point, unless they decide to make a jingyuan 2 with crazy multipliers. no self summon AA so relies on supports, but make their dmg crazy high
can you please do more covers?? I love your voice
ty. i def can but i gotta figure out how to use some music making software to make it sound good :)
Clara being so low on the list but my Clara did a 6 cycle Hoolay. 😂 I just built her 3 days ago lol.
Clara was never bad per say but was never exactly rly “good”. Enemies have never been uber fast like hoolay, but if hoyo keeps dropping fast af enemies, then she maybe moves up. but yunli exists 🫠
also, pretty good clear seeing how u just recently built her
@@yun3_Clara clears tho
18:20 i agree. i was eating good. AND STILL AM, F.A.R.T. IS ON TOP WHEN MY DOT TEAM ISN'T!
they die constantly, i cleaned one level with blade (god and jingyuan bless his soul) but I didn't get 3 stars so i tried dot... KAFKA DIES ALL THE TIME. BLADE WAS DOING LAUGHABLE DMG BUT AS IT SEEMS MY MAIN'S STILL BETTER IN DOT TEAM THAN KAFKA!..i used dot team just gave blade instead ro kafka lol
edit: since we're on jingyuan. I HAVE HIM. i started playing for him bc.. cyno. yeah, pretty much it, i have him since his first banner, he cutely was next to Blade untill topaz came around with numby (my team was kafka, blade, topaz natasha. ahh, good old times~) he never was SUPER strong.. tho he did 3 milion in divergent universe yesterday that just.. says a lot actually, I don't use him because i don't have sparkle, nor can't lat him lend robin from fua team bc they need her, that's why i am pulling for sunday. Jingyuan is strong af. his lighting lord just.. struggles. do you know from what i got 3 milion? his skill. everytime i play him in pure fiction his ult does more dmg BC IT'S MORE CONSTANT. He never was bad at all In my opinion, in times where i didn't have blade (lov him, my son) he did the heavy lifting with bronya, Natasha and herta. he was strong. not as strong as seele but that's because we didn't have anything to help him. now we have two harmony who produce skill points, tho one is better. But even without them i found a strategy for him bc i want to make him work, i couldn't cyno, i can him. And sunday just came here begin like "hi jingyuan, i'm here to save you from begin forgotten" i'm just saying, even if he won't be as strong as acharon or feixiao HE WILL HAVE A LITTLE BULB OF SPOTLIGHT.
Maybe feixio can 0 cycle, but jingyuan is just a unit that was here forever. he's not new, he's 1.5 years old AND HE FINALLY CAN SHINE. Even if just a little.
seeing how jingyuan is able to get such a glow up from one unit, i have no doubt that our hp shenanigan characters will be eventually.
from my personal experience, from playing from jingyuan, tho im fine with his character, i cannot lie felt sadge to play him. whether it’s CC, LL going in the next cycle, (but mainly just raw dmg ngl). even now, if there is a lightning weak side/ice resistant side, what would perform better: Jingyuan or Jingliu? Jingliu, always. Against the past present enemy this moc, the fact my jingliu can clear a cycle faster against those guys than jingyuan 🫠
im not even gonna pull sunday for jingyun, but hope his other mains do in my stead
@@yun3_ understandable, I don't really like meta characters on my side. never had jingliu, dangfang (mainly bc i despise how they didn't dang hangs plot tbh), i had natasha and cheetah carrying me untill loucha's rerun in penecony and aveturine for gods sake! so i'm not like into meta. i just like follow-ups and working with characters i like~ even if it means they're not the sharpest tool in the shed~😅
but i also skipped jinqiu even tho i lov his design bc he didn't really do anything for blade or follow up attackers ╮(＾▽＾)╭
so i really understand not spending on something that can be.. well, useless for u.
hope granny jingliu will clear everything clean for ya 🩷
appreciate it :) im glad ur able to enjoy the game in the manner that u like it. hopefully we both can pull the units we like(hopefully hoyo makes em strong) xd
In my opinion Clara should be at least in gud medium-low tier
using the 2.5/6 chart, i cant find myself putting her near the gud tier cuz the competition like yuni which i dont think she’s that close to. ik ppl have told me that yunli deserves to be higher, but i dont think shes on the FUA team tier. thats my personal reasoning :)
enjoyable video but I have to disagree with something you said at the end:
"let dots crit"
no this is a terrible idea, don't we want builds to be more diverse not less?
hyper carry and fua already build crit stats, and dot and break do not
we should keep them that way
there are still plenty of ways to expand the dot playstyle without resorting to crit
units that make dots detonate during ally's turns, a unit that can extend debuff durations (like Epiphany), advance forward enemy turns, make break burn break wind shear, and break shock actual damage sources etc. The oft rumor'd DoT healer
the one way, that I would be personally ok with DoT having "crits" is if it was done in a way like Himeko/Hook/Serval, in that you make a single unit who does additional damage (that can crit) based on either how many dots are on the enemy, or damage scaled based off the total dot damage. that way it doesn't mess with existing built units in an arduous way and make relic farming more a pain in the (no-no place) then it already is
not let every dot crit, more so a character/support which enables it based on their own stats. cuz ur right on how it can just become “just build the tradtional cr,cdmg, atk”. dots pretty special in how u just go atk speed, similar to break units and their be.
but ur def right on how there are many ways to go about it. hoyo can go your creative route or my simpleton way. we’ll just have to see in 3.x maybe
It feels weird because on one side I run very reasonable teams with less than meta options starting running 3 fire and silver wolf in 1.1 where I rerolled like 6 times until I lost a 50/50 to Bronya on the silver wolf banner to get a guarantee and scuffing together teams throughout the games life as I’m missing lots of limited character and E1S0 firefly usually has to take the day recently without Ruan Mei cause I don’t have her. So on that side I’m very familiar with the meta progression as I hear about teams far less scuffed than my own.
On the other side I run E2S0 (just got S1 this rerun) Lunae E6S3 (yes I bought 3 LC from the shop like a madman, it was worth the 90 pulls) Bronya E2S1 Sparkle and whatever strikes my fancy for the fourth spot. My E2S0 Robin when 0 cycle slaughters are possible or Gallagher or Lynx when the gimmick wants to try it absolute hardest to ruin my day and I need a specific answer to it. Truly monstrous overkill that has enough power to ignore what MoCs gimmick is as long as it’s not adventurine and his unreasonable pile of imaginary resistance. Honestly I’m starting to run out of ways to make this team meaningfully more premium but it’s so overkill I don’t think it’s going to fall off for a very long time.
For planning for the future it’s all on Fugue. Hopefully the firefly rerun stays far away as I’d like E2 firefly to go with Fugue for obvious action spam reasons. I should be able to save up for Fugue before she’s run but if she’s run alongside firefly then I’ll almost certainly need to win a 50/50 somewhere to get everyone I want which is worrying. The worst thing they could do to me is run firefly alongside Sunday so I’d have to pull for E2 then. Since I’ve been running a hot streak of 50/50 wins lately (very welcome after losing 6-ish in a row) I have no guarantee and no way am I saving up 320 pulls before Fugue drops even if I technically have enough uncleared content to get that (my busy self still has E2 imaginary trailblazer lol, I really need Fugue).
well i wish u luck on ur pulls, imma probs drop 200-300 pulls on ty as well
Honestly fugue exo toughness doesn't only makes her good for break teams but also himeko break and crit teams now she can get more fua
im very curious how himeko would perform cuz youd want to use crit himeko imo, but tingyun primarily buffs break. so while u now do get more fua instances, would that be better than just going 2 harmony supports?
@@yun3_ yeah I want to try it out, if more fua are better than more powerful but less fua
@@fazx9696 i have a built himeko and gonna try both out probs once i get ty
dot was seen as strong team cause for the longest of time pure fiction had dot requirement or dot buffs, it still ok in PF
JY was released in a time the dev themselves did not know what they were doing, so many of aspect of his kit was flawed but it got fixed and reused in other characters, like blade activating his fua once his stacks is full, topaz's numby and lingsha fuyuan not getting cc if topaz got cc herself, fixiao ability to over stack and doing her ult freely,
i belive if he was released in current day he would have been better, but hey i still use my JY with topaz and ruan mei, or in a super break team
my biggest disappointment was getting robin on her re run cause i thought she would make me play ratio topaz fua team again (fire fly took ruan mei hostage) just to realize i could not activate ratio follow up cause i dont have any eidolons or LC in my account ..... still robin is valuable but for me ruan mai is the GOAT who if i can put in acheron team i would gladly put there, she is just too broken as a character
I think Hemiko will get a buff with Fugue release cause hemiko superbreak (or even hybrid build) is very good with current moc exo toughness and she is supergood in PF
Sunday might upgrade JY but i think he will be the bronya on 3.x meta till a team wide buffer will get released later on
id have to agree with most of what uve said. I will say tho, if u wanna use ratio with ur topaz and robin, i highly recommend u trying a Gallagher. brings 1 more debuff and can give you energy :)
i think himeko in PF with fugue is about to go hard, though idk how much in moc tho
@ try Hemiko in current MOC on either side (super break on first side or part of FuA team on second side)
Also she managed to get full score in PF when I swapped FF for her in the same break team with Gallagher
Gallagher is attached to the hip with FF and his sustain is not that great when the enemy can move faster than you, also aventurine is too comfy and he help ratio indirectly cause his FuA can trigger ratio ult (trend of universal market do help but the shield becomes paper thin unfortunately)
i used crit himeko on the first half and it was pretty gud, but i cant see myself removing tingyun,robin, or gallgaher for a TY. super break himeko with ff ofc wrecked those guys
i personally find gally sustain enough if i put him in the middle slots. But i usually have VERY tanky supports so i can see why it may not be enough for some
You are sleeping on Yunli
She definitly does more damage than Blade and Jingliu and even Ratio in some cases
While is true that Jing yuan will get buffed because Sunday, Yunli also likes Sunday (to some extent)
Also consider the fact Yunli Bis support is also robin which is well,Robin, she is not in thr FART team but she also is part of Fua archetype, that is an undeniable fact and since you are adding Sig lc into the criteria,yunli lc patches her biggest """"problem"""" aka the aggro, which her lc fixes, also more aggro means more hits and considering once you get her lc her best sustain becames Huohuo and with her talent is basically almost always perma-ultimate uptime
She is definitly not Feixiao,Acheron,Firefly level but she is neither gud .5 level,
She is totally a meta 1 (not 2) level
Arguably the most versatile dps in the game that can work in any gamemode (MOC is easy for her,she beats in 1-2 cycles, not getting 40k in pf with her is a legit skill issue moment , AS is her ""weakest""" gamemode but she is still amazing here,easily getting 3200+ points , as long as you know how to use her
i just wanna say, yah, blade does not belong there in my 2.7 chart😞i put it in my pinned comment. I believe the only character that ppl have disagreed with my placement is actually yunli in 2.7. I have seen jingliu and jingyuan with the sunday robin comp in 2.7 leaks, and safe to say, it cooks, just as well as how yunli performs now. By 2.7, all 3 characters will be able to consistently do 200-300k attacks consistently, putting them sizably ahead of anyone in usable. but i dont believe any of them will be as good as the duo dps fua or acheron that i put in the 1 category. .5 doesnt mean bad what so ever, its just a number. i simply rated the point system this way with meta gaining 2 points to reward them being at the top of the meta. it does not mean that are 4x as strong. They are are all “fairly” relative.
@@yun3_ as I said,Sunday also benefits Yunli,if you are factoring Sunday for Jingliu then is fair to also add Yunli +Sunday into the mix,
And honestly Acheron belongs in the max tier as long as she has the LC +jiaqiou , she is safe to say Firefly level atleast
The duo dps fua, I can assure you Yunli has the same dps level,if not more than that team
And well yeah,blade should go down lol
@@matiasjobeth2722 yes, that is true. ig the question is how big of a jump it is for jingliu to switch from bronya to sunday and jingyuan/yunli switching from sparkle. imo, yunli benifits the least. jingyuan getting LL AA is massive and Jingliu will finally have buffs that dont run out going the -1 support setup. You will be going a slow yunli sonit’s not too different that sparkle at this current point. ofc we will need to see what v3+ will bring us which is just minutes away.
Acheron while good gets team diffed by feixiao and ff. In 2.7, sustainless break and feixiao are about to dominate the moc imo which i dont think acheron will compare.
i understand if your reasoning to move yunli up and how she may have the same if not more dps than duo fua comp. but from what ive seen, Fua slightly edges out yunli unless against something hoolay, which she deletes
@@yun3_ sunday v3 released and I can assure you, Yunli will benefit as much as Jingliu with Sunday ,I would dare say even more than her
Also you are overestimating Fugue(for Firefly) by far Firefly barely gets dmg increase from fugue(something like 11-13%)
Rappa and Boothill will benefit more so boothill position seems fair
To the point
I still maintain my point that Yunli should be tier 1 and Sunday solidifies this opinion IMO,Sunday looks like will like to be 1 point slower than the main dps, except with Yunli, where you can give him any spd because yunli damage is not in her turn making sunday build easier and while I dont think you should count this for the criteria,is a little bonus she will have with him
@@matiasjobeth2722 ofc it's up to discussion, but with sunday allowing jingliu staying in he enhanced from for a 1 turn longer due to the energy buff, id say Yunli is not benifitig as much as JL. We can see how strong DHIL currently is with the leaks out rn which have him running speed boots which says a lot. new.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/comments/1gkaqd6/27_v3_e0s1_dan_heng_il_1_cycle_5m_hp_boss_ft/
After this, I gotta move DHIL up. The buffs to sunday did wonders for dhil. Yunli likely will be doing the same dmg as the rest of the ppl i put in gud, which would be JL, JY, and DHIL. depending on how it goes, may move those 4 into acheron tier tbh
Im just waiting for a good quantum dps I started the game with silver wolf rerun back in december so I didnt have the chance to get a seele but looking at her shes kinda bad ngl
@@Pachirisu2024 it honestly may be a while before we get the exodia for quantum as youll need to replace the dps, and sustain. i think sparkle is fine tho
@yun3_ Im honestly totally fine with fu xuan the free crit rate and 30% crit dmg I got for her e1 feels amazing but we totally lack a strong quantum dps Seele is outdated sw needs e2 to be a "dmg" dealer and even with e1 s1 my jade struggles in dmg output on bosses
@@Pachirisu2024I assume the next quantum dps gotta be a destruction unit cuz we already got hunt and erudition
@@yun3_ I did read something about a hp scaling quantum destruction unit a few months ago I hope thats not true tho😂
@@Pachirisu2024 quantum break and tradtion crit dps already exists. just hp is left🫠
BLADE RERUN PLEASE I JUST WANT TO SPEND ALL MY MONEY FOR THE E6S5 BLADIE ANYTHING FOR BLADE IDC WHAT ANYONE SAYS I NEEEEED HIM (4MONTH PLAYER BTW)
according to my calculations. 1 ten pull will give u e9 blade. (i have terrible luck btw)
@@yun3_ Thanks I love u
I wonder what the game plans to do with Yukong though😢.
I recall someone commented before how if you use moze, u can basically have 100% uptime on ur other 2 allies with her skill.
though hopefully, they just add another harmony which buffs other harmonies and their buff duration. thatd be cool imo
@yun3_ i think to really shine she would really need an Imaginary, yet crit Version of Firefly, Like Dan Heng E2.
oh, to go multiple times to get the buff
@yun3_ yes, and the Thing that is that they would have is that they have low base ATK and no ATK, crit traces whatso ever. This Kind of Character would be one that really prefers Yukong over others.
Some small things.
Fugue doesn’t do anything “good” for firefly in comparison with HMC. Exo-toughness is cool, but FF doesnt have any mechanics on break. HMC’s Super Break multiplier is higher, and using fugue over Gallagher or Lingsha leads to actually *worse* damage per cycle because you’re missing out on Gallagher and Lingsha’s insane toughness damage, which almost completely locks firefly out of 0 cycles without eidolons for 2 phase bosses. Boothill and Rappa on the other hand… Boothill can potentially get 3x stacks of pocket trickshot in one turn now, and like you said in the video, fugue “fixes” rappa’s energy issues and her charge mechanic. For rappa and BH, fugue is a massive buff, not because they’re super break focused, but because they’re *break* focused, unlike firefly. Fugue’s SB is just an added bonus like a cherry on top.
Am I saying I think firefly is going to be pushed out of meta immediately in 2.7? No. It takes longer for these things to happen, but once people start moving to use the new trailblazer, FF’s usage rate will go down heavily.
You’re right how there isnt anything special that FF gains from Fugue unlike boothill/himeko who can now have omni toughness break and rappa who gains more stacks. the main thing would be the raw dmg she gets from breaking said exo toughness bar which also can delay enemies twice now. which imo helps sustainless runs so much. while hmc’s break multi is higher, it should roughly tie with the exo toughness break.
id actually disagree with the statement where ud get less dmg per cycle due to our sustains toughness dmg. gally and fugue from what ive seen roughly do the same toughness while lingsha will do more in aoe situations. with tingyun able to give harmony tb omni toughness reduction, against enemies that dont have img weakness, she’ll let htb do a sizeable amt of toughness to get a faster break. if we include how fugue brings another super break instance and her debuffs, its likely do much more, even if you do break faster with a sustain
i personally believe that the superbreak instance is the main draw instead of the cherry on top. i think the exo toughness mechanic is actually the cherry as a firefly user’s pov. for some, that omni toughness reduction actually may be the main draw instead yk 👍
@@yun3_ that’s a completely fair assessment, though *personally* i do not believe 50% of HMC’s TR would bring enough to the table for specifically FF teams to “do away” with 100% toughness reduction from gally/ling with firefly’s fire implant. The difference between super break and say, FUA or crit is that all of your damage is locked behind that initial break, and with ever increasing toughness bars, you need even the slightest bit more toughness dmg to access super break’s high dmg floor. You mentioning placing Fugue’s buff on HMC is actually interesting, I don’t think I’ve seen any showcases doing that yet, and I’d be really interested in seeing what it does and if it could lower the sustainless team’s cycle count to 0. HMC’s contribution to FF is to the point where Firefly’s BEST element to go into is Imaginary, because it allows HMC to follow up with her and basically guarantee a quick break T1. Galla/Lingsha basically guarantee that break in non-img weak content during the first cycle.
Like I said before, your assessment is actually really interesting. Have a nice day/night!
@ I def get how break’s dmg is locked behind the initial break, as such the faster the better. so the question would a slower time to break be worth the hassle/ will it do more dmg in the long run. maybe, we def gotta see. using quick brain math, if u can break 1 turn sooner. it could like like 20dmg(initial break)+10dmg+10dmg. im assuming going sustainless would look look like 0+30dmg+30dmg. (starting with this 10 dmg, im adding another 10 due to tingyuns superbreak instance/debuffs and also another 10 for that inital break)
i actually saw tingyun giving the buff to an aventurine in this acheron team so every aventuine ba also inflicts the def shred. it was hella creative
htb has a disgusting amt of toughness dmg and against a boss like hoolay, itd be so nice to utilize some of it imo. theyd chunk a decent bit even if only 50%. also pairing htb and tingyun, theres about to be DDD spam, esp in pf if u look at the leak gameplay. and if u have e2 ty, holy is that team gonna go crazy
You're underestimating Feixiao and overestimating Fugue in your prediction for 2.7 imo. The reason she's way ahead of other DPS units right now isn't only because she's the best partner for Robin, but also because her kit allows her to be ran with a Sub-DPS. This is why her team has the highest ceiling because you're basically running multiple damage dealers in her team paired with Robin's insane buffs that everyone can benefit from. Feixiao's single-target feats are still superior compared to Boothill even with Fugue meanwhile Rappa and Firefly can only really come close on certain bosses where the enemies have shared HP mechanic. Feixiao's going to remain on top unless Fugue somewhat becomes absolutely game-changing in the next beta updates.
actually, i would say fua and break is a lot more similar than u think.
both are actually back loaded dmg, with break needing the enemy to be broken first and fua needing to build fei stacks/getting energy.
both team types has everyone on the team become subdps’. whether it’s bc of robin or superbreak
in a break team with a sustain, i want to say feixiao would beat break, but break would beat the other current fua dmg dealers (imo, could be wrong)
with break being able to viably switch to a sustainless comp while fua’s best sustain will still be aventurine, i have no doubt break will outdmg fua in 2.7. but ofc, we’ll have to see if there are any game changing changes to fugue or sunday in v3
@@yun3_ Feixiao has a sustainless comp though, consisting of Bronya, Robin, and March/Topaz. There are several runs with this team, even against Hoolay.
@@dazzlingninja im saying it doesnt exist , more so just saying how practical it will be for many players as opposed to something like a sustainless break, which gets sustain via by breaking👍
@@yun3_ that take is definitely something cause having a practical sustainless team doesn't really mean anything if it's dishing out less damage than Feixiao's team. As I've said on my OG comment, Boothill with Fugue is still inferior to Feixiao. Sustainless Boothill Fugue took 6 cost to 0-cycle 2.7 MOC boss Svarog with 2.3M HP and that's with Trotters to help with the damage. Sustainless Feixiao took 5 cost to 0-cycle 2.6 MOC boss Banacademic with 5M HP and that's with the MOC turbulence not even helping. Svarog has 20% Physical RES same as Banacademic having 20% Wind RES. Feixiao is still way ahead against the best Single-Target Break DPS and the only way Firefly and Rappa can actually contend with Feixiao's performance is on break-oriented shared HP bosses like Choir and Banacademic cause they have advantages there.
@@dazzlingninja I actually havent seen feixiao fight the Banacademic, but have seen the boothill run you're talking about.
ig for what i'll say, ill talk about how they compare to hoolay. I have seen both characters beat him with 2 cost teams, ofc both with very complicated setups. both quite frankly speaking do pretty relative damage(for this particular case of 2 cost). I understand how this moc buff favors boothill, but tldr, it's how it's gonna be for boothil once he switches from RM/htb > fugue. This moc also greatly favors feixiao seeing how aventurine is getting so many stacks for feixiao from hoolay. As such, I would say it's pretty fair. Once we start getting more premium, it's still pretty close from what ive seen. If boothill manages to break both bars, easily nearly one shots one of hoolay's phases.
But seeing the sustainless comps of boothill and firefly(2.7), they do disgusting dmg. Also, almost every leaker ive seen for firefly plays TY and her superbreak so bad. They keep letting the other units break instead of FF which literally doubles the dmg -_-
Is tingyun pro max future proof? Or will she be too similar to rm/htb
I would say in the same manner that HTB is pretty future proof due to the super break instance that is provided, fugue will be as well for break teams 👍
@ thanks! Do you think the super break buffs they provide will be interchangeable? Htb is already really good and I can’t imagine tingyun being that much better without breaking the meta ..
@ so htb does have a higher super break multiplier than TY depending on how many enemies are on the field, but both ty makes this up via the exo toughness. both give similar ammounts of Break effect to a unit/team iirc.
so yes, they are pretty interchangeable BUT currently speaking, htb deals much higher toughness dmg with his skill vs tingyuns enhanced BA. they really need to buff her ult cost in v3 to keep her at a similar level 👌
@@yun3_ omg really?? I had no idea abt the multipliers. This was super useful, thank u very much!
@@spl3013 so both start at a 100% super break multiplier, but htb’s “Dance With the One” trace increases it from 20-60% based on the enemies present 👍