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Yah FF e1 is such a nice quality of life change and e2 goes brrr. I want to say robin is so strong to the point where she is the best in slot support for hyper carry as well if you want to go down that route, if FUA isnt ur taste. Just be aware u need to play a specific way to make it work. With sunday coming up, pairing those 2 up will be the best hyper carry core :)

so one gally qqp set up grants robin 32 energy, and generally can get 1-2 more procs in depending how it goes. seele while getting an extra turns can give 2*(x) energy, it likely isnt enough to keep robin having a 100% uptime imo

yah it took me by surprise too

You’re right how there isnt anything special that FF gains from Fugue unlike boothill/himeko who can now have omni toughness break and rappa who gains more stacks. the main thing would be the raw dmg she gets from breaking said exo toughness bar which also can delay enemies twice now. which imo helps sustainless runs so much. while hmc’s break multi is higher, it should roughly tie with the exo toughness break. id actually disagree with the statement where ud get less dmg per cycle due to our sustains toughness dmg. gally and fugue from what ive seen roughly do the same toughness while lingsha will do more in aoe situations. with tingyun able to give harmony tb omni toughness reduction, against enemies that dont have img weakness, she’ll let htb do a sizeable amt of toughness to get a faster break. if we include how fugue brings another super break instance and her debuffs, its likely do much more, even if you do break faster with a sustain i personally believe that the superbreak instance is the main draw instead of the cherry on top. i think the exo toughness mechanic is actually the cherry as a firefly user’s pov. for some, that omni toughness reduction actually may be the main draw instead yk 👍

@@yun3_ that’s a completely fair assessment, though *personally* i do not believe 50% of HMC’s TR would bring enough to the table for specifically FF teams to “do away” with 100% toughness reduction from gally/ling with firefly’s fire implant. The difference between super break and say, FUA or crit is that all of your damage is locked behind that initial break, and with ever increasing toughness bars, you need even the slightest bit more toughness dmg to access super break’s high dmg floor. You mentioning placing Fugue’s buff on HMC is actually interesting, I don’t think I’ve seen any showcases doing that yet, and I’d be really interested in seeing what it does and if it could lower the sustainless team’s cycle count to 0. HMC’s contribution to FF is to the point where Firefly’s BEST element to go into is Imaginary, because it allows HMC to follow up with her and basically guarantee a quick break T1. Galla/Lingsha basically guarantee that break in non-img weak content during the first cycle. Like I said before, your assessment is actually really interesting. Have a nice day/night!

@ I def get how break’s dmg is locked behind the initial break, as such the faster the better. so the question would a slower time to break be worth the hassle/ will it do more dmg in the long run. maybe, we def gotta see. using quick brain math, if u can break 1 turn sooner. it could like like 20dmg(initial break)+10dmg+10dmg. im assuming going sustainless would look look like 0+30dmg+30dmg. (starting with this 10 dmg, im adding another 10 due to tingyuns superbreak instance/debuffs and also another 10 for that inital break) i actually saw tingyun giving the buff to an aventurine in this acheron team so every aventuine ba also inflicts the def shred. it was hella creative htb has a disgusting amt of toughness dmg and against a boss like hoolay, itd be so nice to utilize some of it imo. theyd chunk a decent bit even if only 50%. also pairing htb and tingyun, theres about to be DDD spam, esp in pf if u look at the leak gameplay. and if u have e2 ty, holy is that team gonna go crazy

After Robin carrying the heck outta me in all the endgame modes, i had to xd. Will go back to the character stuff in my next vid tho :)

@yun3_ V4 should be around the corner right? I hope neither Fugue or Sunday get nerfed 😭😭😭

yah. 6 ish hours from now iirc. am in the process of making the video so hopefully it comes out soon enough 🥲

ur right in the sense that himeko has received a lot of indirect buffs that has made her age much better than her peers, esp with fugue coming up. the issue more so lies in the more the format of moc which generally reduces the amount of fuas himeko can do in a battle. having built her myself with a nice build, she def smacks in pf for me, but for moc, she only has a very good performance against the past present enemy imo. but if it’s a format or lineup she can excel in, she excel RLY well👍

@@yun3_ oh yeah, Choir is her bis performance in MoC for most players atm, but I also found decent succeed with her against some previous fire-weak stages such as those with Cocolia and the robots (even more paired with Jade) and I know I'm missing another one where she also did pretty good for me. In AS she has also performed well against the Doomsday beast, Cocolia, Phantylia and now Sunday too. There's also the upcoming dinosaur tv boss that has shared hp and is also weak to fire, I expect Himeko to be a pretty good runner against it as well, and overall Fugue should improve her performance in the three modes as we are seeing in some beta showcases for MoC between them ^^

true true. you didnt mention PF, but from my personal experience, this last PF second half was perfect for himeko and i tried both break and carry himeko with robin, gally, and tingyun. playing as optimally as i could, fua was able to get 40k pretty easily with nearly 2 cycles left while break could barely reach like 36k ish points. the dmg drop off in pf due to htb’s passive which punishes aoe superbreak rly hurts in that mode. but yah that dino guy is about to get cooked by ff and rappa. i am curious how himeoko will do against them but ill just have to see👍

@@yun3_ you mean the newest PF? I only tried Himeko on the Bronya side as I don't have FF nor Rappa to carry me there haha but my best run there was 35k with her, but around 30k-31k is what I mostly got after many retries. I have hopes for her against that boss, even more after Fugue comes out if it's still featured from time to time in the endgame. In about 20 mins we should be getting the V4 of her and Sunday, let's see if anything changes.

@@mokalevi436 sry the "volubility" pf against bronya and the past/confined. I havent tried her in the new pf just yet but barely got 40k with e2 ff first half. so seeing u got 30k+ is impressive. v4 dropped and nothing major for ty but it's nice u can spam skill or tactically use it so u dont accidentally with TY

ty :) robin goes brrrr

next video. i’ll cover v4. swears🥲

yes ;-; it’s as good as i cant get it sadly. my mic pics up my pc fan noise and my only option is using obs’ noise suppression to try and reduce. as far as i know at least. as such, it distorts my voice a bit and sometimes just misses me saying something like a start of a sentence 🥲🔫

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i bet that would be fun as heck, tho i cannot bring myself to sing in front of ppl irl lol

actually its not that bad

les go😤i’ll take that

now u just need jingliu to complete the whole gang

i remember i had to use hypercarry ratio but it just wasn’t good enough in that mode. was rly close a few times tho. i can def see elation deleting the enemies if u got the whole fua team. but if it’s ever their turn, goodbye hp

@@yun3_ all you need is basically the skill point blessing, the aftertaste blessing, and delay blessing. I followed your advice on finding op remembrance blessing and it's crazy how great it works especially if you can freeze people because when they're in recovery state you can delay even more lol

​@@sbastianbrilyanto4722 ooh, I gotchu. That def makes up the sustain issue. When i did my runs with elation, i struggled so hard in the early rooms and boss 1/2. Elation scales super hard but is SOOOOO weak in the beginning without anything.

@@yun3_ also if you get lucky with propagation blessing where you inflict spores every time you use skill, it's just mad how elation can just synergize well with other blessings too. but yeah i can see how the run can easily get destroyed because the elation path is super offense-focused.

make them very strong, yes, but not meta i would say. both are eating very good with sunday, but i say this with the team of (carry, sunday, robin, gally/huohuo) in mind bc any other hypercarry team rn imo cant perform even decently. besides yunli’s team

i gotchu. i still dont fully know the interaction with seele and robin. i read that robin cant steal the kill from seele, but when im using say a gallagher and the physical dmg from robins ult gets the kill cuz gally does no dmg, the energy goes to robin. so idk how it goes tbh

@ I’m pretty sure Robins damage is counted before seele’s damage but I could be mistaken. I’ve seen multiple showcases of Seele, Bronya or Sparkle, (bronya works better in this team but sparkle can be used too) Robin and HuoHuo do very well in all 3 game modes, including last cycles PF4.

i think i had near 5-10 cr for that bit xd

@ LMAO thank god I thought you had a good ratio but rng messed you up

oh no. i was like maybe like 10/60 with hp pieces. if i did have a normal build, it wouldve been around 600k i believe

it’s honestly difficult to justify dps reruns cuz the endgame modes at that time probs wont be catered toward them, making it difficult to make them perform well unless u got the right supports

thinking about it now, i probably shouldve shown the “average” great dmg during the different time periods, like how doing 60-80k was top tier during 1.4 and now during 2.6, 100-200k frequent attacks or 400+ for nukes is considered gud

just a “lil” bit more than usable xd

with the buffs to sunday on v3. yah most def

yah blade def should move down a tier, but i would keep yunli where she’s at. the question is whether or not hypercarry yunli is better than something like acheron or RRAT, which i dont believe so. depending on sunday goes, perhaps she moves up in my 2.7 list.👌

@ Acheron has been struggling for a while now hypercarry yunli and definitely outdamages rrat according to calcs

i just wanna say, yah, blade does not belong there in my 2.7 chart😞i put it in my pinned comment. I believe the only character that ppl have disagreed with my placement is actually yunli in 2.7. I have seen jingliu and jingyuan with the sunday robin comp in 2.7 leaks, and safe to say, it cooks, just as well as how yunli performs now. By 2.7, all 3 characters will be able to consistently do 200-300k attacks consistently, putting them sizably ahead of anyone in usable. but i dont believe any of them will be as good as the duo dps fua or acheron that i put in the 1 category. .5 doesnt mean bad what so ever, its just a number. i simply rated the point system this way with meta gaining 2 points to reward them being at the top of the meta. it does not mean that are 4x as strong. They are are all “fairly” relative.

@@yun3_ as I said,Sunday also benefits Yunli,if you are factoring Sunday for Jingliu then is fair to also add Yunli +Sunday into the mix, And honestly Acheron belongs in the max tier as long as she has the LC +jiaqiou , she is safe to say Firefly level atleast The duo dps fua, I can assure you Yunli has the same dps level,if not more than that team And well yeah,blade should go down lol

@@matiasjobeth2722 yes, that is true. ig the question is how big of a jump it is for jingliu to switch from bronya to sunday and jingyuan/yunli switching from sparkle. imo, yunli benifits the least. jingyuan getting LL AA is massive and Jingliu will finally have buffs that dont run out going the -1 support setup. You will be going a slow yunli sonit’s not too different that sparkle at this current point. ofc we will need to see what v3+ will bring us which is just minutes away. Acheron while good gets team diffed by feixiao and ff. In 2.7, sustainless break and feixiao are about to dominate the moc imo which i dont think acheron will compare. i understand if your reasoning to move yunli up and how she may have the same if not more dps than duo fua comp. but from what ive seen, Fua slightly edges out yunli unless against something hoolay, which she deletes

​@@yun3_ sunday v3 released and I can assure you, Yunli will benefit as much as Jingliu with Sunday ,I would dare say even more than her Also you are overestimating Fugue(for Firefly) by far Firefly barely gets dmg increase from fugue(something like 11-13%) Rappa and Boothill will benefit more so boothill position seems fair To the point I still maintain my point that Yunli should be tier 1 and Sunday solidifies this opinion IMO,Sunday looks like will like to be 1 point slower than the main dps, except with Yunli, where you can give him any spd because yunli damage is not in her turn making sunday build easier and while I dont think you should count this for the criteria,is a little bonus she will have with him

@@matiasjobeth2722 ofc it's up to discussion, but with sunday allowing jingliu staying in he enhanced from for a 1 turn longer due to the energy buff, id say Yunli is not benifitig as much as JL. We can see how strong DHIL currently is with the leaks out rn which have him running speed boots which says a lot. new.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/comments/1gkaqd6/27_v3_e0s1_dan_heng_il_1_cycle_5m_hp_boss_ft/ After this, I gotta move DHIL up. The buffs to sunday did wonders for dhil. Yunli likely will be doing the same dmg as the rest of the ppl i put in gud, which would be JL, JY, and DHIL. depending on how it goes, may move those 4 into acheron tier tbh

hell yah, gotta treat ur favs right. 👑 that’s what i also go by. you’ll never catch me giving them anything less of goated relics😤

I didnt think there was too much to note of yunli so i did gloss over her. she’s rly good, and i think my chart is fairly reflective, with her only being behind fua and break, being at the top of my gud section in 2.5/6. after another comment, my only change would be moving blade down from my 2.7 chart. i mentioned in the video that yes, everyone is going to be using imo their best team. which means basically i had everyone using robin in mind, including yunli. in my head, either using (huohuo, ting, robin) or (huohuo, sparkle, ting) from what ive seen, she does like 100-300k fua which is pretty comparable to the other people in gud tier

time sure flies

yah from the gameplay ive seen with him and sunday, he cooks pretty well now 😀

I recall someone commented before how if you use moze, u can basically have 100% uptime on ur other 2 allies with her skill. though hopefully, they just add another harmony which buffs other harmonies and their buff duration. thatd be cool imo

@yun3_ i think to really shine she would really need an Imaginary, yet crit Version of Firefly, Like Dan Heng E2.

oh, to go multiple times to get the buff

@yun3_ yes, and the Thing that is that they would have is that they have low base ATK and no ATK, crit traces whatso ever. This Kind of Character would be one that really prefers Yukong over others.

seeing how jingyuan is able to get such a glow up from one unit, i have no doubt that our hp shenanigan characters will be eventually. from my personal experience, from playing from jingyuan, tho im fine with his character, i cannot lie felt sadge to play him. whether it’s CC, LL going in the next cycle, (but mainly just raw dmg ngl). even now, if there is a lightning weak side/ice resistant side, what would perform better: Jingyuan or Jingliu? Jingliu, always. Against the past present enemy this moc, the fact my jingliu can clear a cycle faster against those guys than jingyuan 🫠 im not even gonna pull sunday for jingyun, but hope his other mains do in my stead

@@yun3_ understandable, I don't really like meta characters on my side. never had jingliu, dangfang (mainly bc i despise how they didn't dang hangs plot tbh), i had natasha and cheetah carrying me untill loucha's rerun in penecony and aveturine for gods sake! so i'm not like into meta. i just like follow-ups and working with characters i like~ even if it means they're not the sharpest tool in the shed~😅 but i also skipped jinqiu even tho i lov his design bc he didn't really do anything for blade or follow up attackers ╮⁠(⁠＾⁠▽⁠＾⁠)⁠╭ so i really understand not spending on something that can be.. well, useless for u. hope granny jingliu will clear everything clean for ya 🩷

appreciate it :) im glad ur able to enjoy the game in the manner that u like it. hopefully we both can pull the units we like(hopefully hoyo makes em strong) xd

honestly, a bit TOO subtle ngl 😤

I would say in the same manner that HTB is pretty future proof due to the super break instance that is provided, fugue will be as well for break teams 👍

@ thanks! Do you think the super break buffs they provide will be interchangeable? Htb is already really good and I can’t imagine tingyun being that much better without breaking the meta ..

@ so htb does have a higher super break multiplier than TY depending on how many enemies are on the field, but both ty makes this up via the exo toughness. both give similar ammounts of Break effect to a unit/team iirc. so yes, they are pretty interchangeable BUT currently speaking, htb deals much higher toughness dmg with his skill vs tingyuns enhanced BA. they really need to buff her ult cost in v3 to keep her at a similar level 👌

@@yun3_ omg really?? I had no idea abt the multipliers. This was super useful, thank u very much!

@@spl3013 so both start at a 100% super break multiplier, but htb’s “Dance With the One” trace increases it from 20-60% based on the enemies present 👍