Actually she got burned worse... Blade got Jingliu who works great with him, and he's not even a support, he doesn't 'need' great synergies with future release characters like Supports do. Literally every character post sparkle goes out of their way to NOT work with Sparkle WHEN SHE IS A SUPPORT AND NEEDS SOMEONE TO.
Actually the game itself was so unbalanced that "Normie" characters like them or Genshin-like kits chara or even the 4 star Can Not keep up with the game mechanics So this technically is the game fault, not only the characters kit fault
It's crazy that Blade has gotten more team options than Sparkle and he's a 1.x unit. Sub-DPS Jingliu/Blade, superbreak Blade, Jade/Blade, Blade in DOT pure fiction is also cracked.
@@ladyhdwastaken tbh even though Blade kind of sucks as a hypercarry he's great in dual-DPS teams from what I've seen. I even saw some people running him with Topaz back when she didn't have much team options lol.
She's still very good, the only problem with her is the same thing that happened with DoT, Hoyo decided to only focus on break and FUA teams for an eternity so it not only made the teams that preferred Sparkle fall off from the insane power creep, but they just didn't give them anything new. The same issue as the HP inflation, they don't spread out characters and relics across different teams to keep them all near the same power while the top teams are buffed repeatedly even when they're the strongest. RM and Robin are just favored by the newest units but if they suddenly shift back to focus on crit and very SP hungry teams, she'll be back. It's just 4 slot syndrome right now, especially with combos like RM and HMC and now Robin and Sunday.
Bronya is still used in a handful of teams that a Sparkle could fit into but doesn't because Bronya, a standard 5* that we've had since release, is just better. The fact is Sparkle is just not that good for anyone right now. FUAers but not dual dps (odd): E6 Bronya and Sunday's buffs last long enough. Summons: Sunday is BIS. DHIL: Sunday is better than Sparkle. Hypercarry Boothill (Non-superbreak): Sunday and Bronya are interchangable or you can use them together. Sunday and Bronya are also run together in triple harmony teams with the core being Bronya, Sunday and Robin. Ruan is just universally good, same with Robin, so it's not fair to compare them. Sparkle is just... okay. She doesn't have anything she does better than anyone else.
@ladyhdwastaken If they make a team that wants crit and is very SP heavy overall, not just the DPS, she'll be back. Yes, some people use Bronya but they're not the same buffs. Sparkle gives more crit stats and arguably the main draw is the SP, there hasn't been a team to utilize that really, just DHIL and maybe Jing Yuan before Sunday dropped. My point is just that she's not bad, she didn't fall off because she was power crept, it's just that none of the good teams would give up a slot for her unless the player doesn't own the alternatives right now, but that could change.
Well, now it doesn't matter bc Sunday is just as SP positive as Sparkle. They'd need to basically give us a modernized version of QQ: an extremely SP hungry Quantum Hypercarry who doesn't necessarily want full action advance in order for Sparkle to be useful again. Of course, this might not even be enough, as Sunday's Dmg boost and full crit boosting and energy restoration would probably still make that unit better than Sparkle could. This is the sad reality we face.
@JosepiThe13th He's only for one character, if they made a team that are all SP heavy, suddenly she could find a place. It remains to be seen. She's not actually a massive downgrade to the other 2 in a lot of teams, she's just not the best option by comparison.
Sparkle singlehandedly made me scrutinize every support character before deciding to pull. The lesson I got from her also made me thread very conservatively with my pulls in GI. No matter what all the CCs say about a character being broken, that's secondary. What's important is to thoroughly understand the character's kit and how the character can effectively do for the team even after a full version cycle down.
@@leestefan2999 yeah and in hindsight she had nothing unique about her kit (she's only +1 sp every 3 turns, the same sp gen as RM) and an unnecessary nerf to her AA in an attempt to balance. Looking at Sunday, Robin, RM, they all have niches that arent just strictly based on numerical buffs. RM delay plus team wbe, robin being broken, Sunday summon AA and energy regen. I think the best way to judge this is that Robin was an oversight, she's like if neuvilette was introduced during 2.x levels of meta warping, and now they have to balance everything else around her, which results in the fuckery that is the current harmony star rail we have rn.
The same with Robin tbh. People are overhyping her as the the best unit in the game, saying that “she is BiS for every team that isn’t break”, except she isn’t even that good for low spenders even for follow up teams. The sparkle in question beats her out for Yunli, Bronya or Tingyun beats Robin for ratio, etc.
@@UnderplayedCreations now ur just capping man As someone who have both sparkle and robin e0s0, robin is just sooo much more overtuned. Esp considering a qpq gallagher for her energy refund or just the usual hypercarry setup
@@bubblesparks So people want to use ER planars on their Tingyun/Ruan Mei because they want to be sure they get their ults back without relying on RNG, but also are ok with RNG with QPQ…? I think you’re coping trying to make Robin seem good for F2P like she is for dolphins. Sparkle at least has a complete kit without any eids or sigs. That’s why other supports instead of Robin are good for F2P Ratio and Yunli
@@UnderplayedCreations even a robin played with bad rng/play is equal to sparkle. Sparkle at her peak is only robin at her mid. Why do you think ppl use robin ults, bronya advances, etc. to get robin ult? its so strong it's worth playing around. You dont play around using sparkle/rm/ty/etc. you just put them in and it works, robin you have to use your brain (omg what a concept) but in return she's like at minimum 2 cycles better than her competition except maybe sunday
Robin happened is what caused Sparkle's downfall. Robin ( a teamwide buffer supposed to specialized for FuA ) is so overtuned and broken she gives better buffs to each individual team member than Sparkle does to a single target( THE hypercarry support btw ). Robin is single handedly part of why HP has been inflating so much recently if you paid attention as it's since her launch did the HP start going to shit. Sunday needed to sell but he's competing with Robin so Hoyo with how "creative" they are at designing character kits decided to make him a Bronya Sparkle fusion Promax with the added benefit of regening energy just so he could stand a chance agaisnt Robin and even then people are still contemplating whether he's worth pulling before on the off-chance he gets the Sparkle treatment too in the future. And before anyone says "Sparkle was released undertuned its her own fault" you're just used to Hoyo allowing Harmony to be overtuned and do everything with no drawbacks for no reason sometimes doing Nihility's jobs better than them, Sparkle is how every Harmony should of been and not whatever abomination Ruan Mei and Robin are. If there's any undertuned support it was always gonna be Silver Wolf.
I gotta say i agree at most, buuuut. Ruan mei was not thaat strong at first when she come out. Good, yeah, but not game changing. That just happend now because the game just double all the enemies break shield to be "normal" only if you have ruan mei + make te entire game move around break the enemies or never kill them again......🙃
@@destock1637 yup anyone who pull for RM at the time of release would not even realize she was going to be broken because remember that unlike Remembrance TB, we don't even know HarmonyTB full kit yet and had 0 knowledge about the shift to Superbreak meta.
@@thefisherguy7269 RM pre break was in line with sparkle, break boosted her and it basically the comp that keeps her relevant, otherwise she's outclassed by robin just like everyone else. Sunday is rly good and only behind his sister rn. This aint just a support issue, dpses have been getting ridiculous since Acheron. Sunday Robin buffs old hypercarries to a point where its viable for casuals but ppl will still default towards the acheron, break, and fua comps
Sparkle is indicative of a general HSR problem where they give a lot of pieces for different archetypes all at once, and then slowly focus on a few while ignoring the others. DoT, SP consumption, and HP consumption were all cast aside to focus more on follow up, break, and debuff teams. It sounds like in 3.x onward we'll be getting more HP buffers, but with a new focus on summon teams and erudition teams, there's no word on what's going to happen to these units that are already struggling, or what'll happen to the already established teams that will stop getting new partners as we flesh out new archetypes. I like Sparkle a lot, but am I really supposed to use QQ for another year because they won't make any new SP consumption units?
Sadly follow new meta is the best solution. Game gives much pulls anyway and E0S0 meta dps surely can carry for that entire patch + bit more. Acheron FF and feixiao at least will still do ok in few patches. Usually take like a year or so for old meta to start become powercreeped, when that time comes...time to invest on new meta. It's the way HSR want players to play I guess.
The only problem sparkle has is her 50% Action Advance. If she had gotten 100% she would be used in the same teams Sunday is used in. Unfortunately she has an insane infinite DDD exploit with Bronya if she was able to 100% AA other harmony units (hence Sunday's drawback).
@@shaine9968what about people who already have sparkle's signature lc? Will they keep pulling new lc(s) just to keep her usable? Sunday himself is an big upgrade kit wise
Sparkle will only come back if they release a super hungry dps much like DHIL where it needs like a lot of sp in a single turn which an e0s1 sunday can't suffice, preferably a quantum character to really maximize her (sparkle) kit
She generates one sp every 4 turns which is awful for sp hungry dps. The only thing she has going for her is her crit damage buff and the skill point maximum increase. Just play Sunday.
But Why use a Character like that, if we have SP positive character or at least characters that can be more team versatile that someone that can only work with Sparkle
@@The-hamster2471 The only scenario I would want Sparkle over Sunday is for Qingque specificallly and that is SOLELY because of QQ's RNG factor. Sometimes I use 0 SP and QQ has 4 tiles. Sometimes I use 6 SP and there are still no matches. QQ is the only character in the game with this much volatility in their SP use as a hypercarry. But even then, Sunday energy regen (with Tingyun, cause QQ ult is forking expensive) might be better anyway since her ult is a guaranteed match and she gets no more buffs from her own kit after 4SP.
and lets not act like alot of these paths will even happen due to the devs running out of archetypes(main reason) and lore excuses like how the hell would we get the blessing of propagation.
@@chokeolatte^No? SU/DU Remembrance's niche works around the Ice elements and Nihility, it'd look really weird if all remembrance units are all Ice if they followed that design lol so they had to make a mechanic that already existed but unique. While propagation is simply for the sp consumption and generation team archetype and isn't limited to an element for it to work. There's already DHIL and Qingque who are released for the mechanic So the chances of it being playable is very likely.
@@Cap-br6oh yeah, Rememberance is redundant af, its pretty much: Destruction with a summon, hunt but with a summon, abundance but with a summon and so on.
@@michapiasta3072Especially if the Aglaea footage is anything go by, they seem to have follow up attacks built in their kit. It's as you say: it makes them no different from any other DPS path so I think Remembrance could possibly be the last additional path they add unless they find yet another way to monetize and make another extreme niche for Propagation to thrive in.
Sadly I do not think she will get a comeback, unless we get a dps that is so sp hungry that we have to run Basic atk SP generator sparkle (or a dps that prefers her burst sp generation). Hell I think Bronya has a higher chance of coming back over her. 50% AA gutted her entirely, and the new set with the slower set with a ton of crit potentially buffs her but that does not offset the fact her lower AA puts her in a massive disadvantage since that set also buffs sunday and bronya. This is bcs she has anti synergy with basically every other AA support, Robin wastes her AA, Her short buff duration makes her anti synergetic with sunday, and her lower AA% means that even if you do run them together, sparkle sunday is just worse than Sunday bronya. I think this disparity will become worse when RMC arrives and showcases have alr shown massive synergy with sunday (so by extension bronya) and Robin bcs 100% AA is 100% AA Also to note: a better quantum dps will not automatically want sparkle over the other supports. her quantum trace is 30% atk, thats barely gonna make a difference compared to sunday AA both dps and their summon, robin getting more energy and personal dmg from FuA, or RM making breaking enemies faster/recover slower. Synergy with an archetype shouldn't just be a numerical buff bcs thats easy to powecreep, you need an inherent synergy with the archetype you're playing with beyond that
I love how everyone hasn't mentioned sparkle with achreon is so good . Like her best team are supports that do no dmg plus tobin gives more buffs to follow up teams like lol-
@gameexpert133 no one mentions her bcs she's generally outclassed by Sunday AND Bronya, even ignoring Robin. For acheron specifically, they're all close in power for slow Acheron (and she can't be used with spd acheron setup) but Bronya + Sunday buff profile is stronger for Acheron (Acheron wants atk buffs, Bronya gives better atk buffs, and sunday crit rate talent lets dps run atk chest)
@@SSpilexx eideh has just posted a video where he did run atk chest lmao. Sunday alr gives 72+ crit dmg for acheron and her lc gives her more, all the while giving 0 atk buffs at all, so crit dmg chest gets diluted more. It probably Depends on your build but an atk chest with great crit subs on relics is most likely best build over crit dmg chest with great crit subs with sunday (it's even better with spd acheron bcs she's sorely lacking atk with only atk orb and atk rope) Think about it, sunday is equal to robin as her harmony unit. Robin gives a whopping 1K atk and only 20 cdmg, and despite her atk steroid acheron will still run atk boots atk sphere atk orb over dmg orb. Sunday gives way more cdmg as well as balancing crit ratio with his 20% crit rate, and the trade off is no atk buffs AT ALL, so acheron still only has 3 atk main relic stats and an atk chest is basically compensating for using sunday instead of robin (while crit chest compensates for using robin instead of sunday). This aint feasible with sparkle/bronya bcs its way too hard too get a good crit ratio without a crit rate chest, but with sunday this aint a problem. support buff profile matters when choosing dps relics, sunday is the first support that lets us theoretically calc atk chest without massively compromising our crit ratio
@@Wawawawawa750 tbf my point is less relevant since i'm running her at 25% crit rate, I'm just to lazy to make the switch to Atk% even though i should. Not that it matters in the slightest but yea
11:14 Honkai Impact 3rd meta operates on a different way Main dps had taken around 1.5 to 3 years to get replaced But supports had taken , at minimum, 4 years to get replace. Except Azure Empyrea whose still is the the top fire support since ver.3.7 and one of the best parners for Sparkle However , since Honkai part 2. All the characters before 2020 can't be played anymore since do zero damage or had their damage cut in more than half since don't work with the support mechanics from part 2
Your set mental are wrong hi3 part 2 meta is different all supports are DPS and all DPS are supports. Part 1 characters are not useless there are part 2 characters that buff part 1
I still be using sparkle for my e2 acheron team but other than this team and dhil/qq teams, sparkle can't compete with sunday/other similar harmony kits
And I don’t think there’s anything wrong with specialized supports. If every single harmony works for every character they’re going to have to keep powercreeping the last. Sparkle shines in the few teams she’s designed for and will continue to be great for future SP hungry units just like Sunday will age well for future summon units.
I was so hyped for Mono Quantum…until I tried it myself. Mono Quantum was such a straightforward concept, but the way they fumbled the execution somehow still baffles me. I have all of the pieces, but I've benched Sparkle since her release for real, since I don't have DHIL who's one of her better teammates. I hope one day there's a 'tailored' Quantum DPS with today's level of scaling so Sparkle (and other Quantum units/supports) can get a resurgence.
@@justamuartyep castorice maybe can revatalize mono quantum team. Well not mono quantum anymore prob as u maybe will use Sunday anyway instead of SW. But castorice is slow dps with the new relic that want super slow speed. So 50% advance and 100% essentially give same result anyway. Plus quantum trade of hanabi can give 45% attack at max which is achievable just be using 3 quantum. Only need fuxuan as sustain coz castorice and hanabi are quantum already themselves.
Sunday with his LC also generates more sp than her his skill buff is 2 turns and the rest of the buffs being 3 turns only way to make sparkle better than Sunday is investing her eidolons which is expensive
It's simple. Supports are only as good as the team type they enable. Robin, Ruan Mei and Trailblazer are top tier because they enable Follow-Up and Break. Sparkle enables hypercarries, and those haven't been meta in a good while, she's just waiting for the next non-summoner Hypercarry.
@@theikhtizz6761 I don't see either of them being less strong any time soon. If anything, they will just slot into future teams unless speed boost + dmg boost + Weakness break efficiency (Ruan skill) and dmg boost (robin skill) become useless and Res Pen (Ruan Ult) and Atk boost FUA CD boost and teamwide 100% action advance (Robin ult) become useless. It's so funny to me that Robin makes Ruan Mei look balanced when she's far from it.
@@ladyhdwastakenwell if 3.X they stop supporting break, then RM would fall off slowly too, same as hanabi when 2.x happened. Tho robin I don't see being dropped anytime soon as she just took versatile. Summon team can even use her still.
B-b-b-ut she'll powercreep BRoNyA Nah, CEO of Hoyo is fine wine. E2 Sparkle is great but she just feels like 1/3 of a character without it. Shame, cause they just abandoned whatever they planned on doing with her. And the sad thing is her BIS ideal scenario is an SP hungry mono quantum team which... has not changed whatsoever. Jade doesn't even want her. Edit: She's not bad, by any means, but there is just no ideal scenario for her right now and doesn't seem to be in the near future (The Herta, likely double DPS since most erudition are, and Aglaea, who will probably just want Sunday)
Losing 50/50 on sparkle's banner was a blessing because I was able to use the guaranteed on Acheron's banner then pull her Lc and being able to clean all endgame content
Despite how sparkle has fallen from meta, I'll never forget just how much she has helped me on clearing moc 12 stars on the early days . I'll never regret pulling for you sparkle, now have fun being top tier in HI3rd sparkle may Aha bless you with plentiful laughs and joy
Same here. I still remember waiting for her banner but then I wasted my guaranteed on Danil's e1. I was hella worried at first but then I somehow won the 50/50 AND got her e1 in another 10 pull. Decided to get her LC too afterwards and i regret NOTHING.
@@keneunaegbu851 i'm scared that if i commented. that unplay idiot is gonna try to crash me. But i just wanna say i think you're a winner in my book honestly. Some of the person's logic doesn't make any sense. it confuses me. I'm also a low spender player. Even before i got her e1 i actually felt the power. ngl she feels like a big boost to most of my teams thay aren't break more so than the other buffers and that was without her event LC. And since her LC and the upgrades. is free now and i get to enjoy a more optimized version of her. And my god the power is there. Honestly though as very fua centric player myself. If you're playing ratio with an all e0s0 ipc team. then maybe don't use topaz? she's hardly unit to consider for ratio. till you get her s1 or her e1 or both. While for feixiao it's interesting. Cause i find her to be the best but not by alot as i find moze and march to feel better than topaz if she's at e0s0, but she's more comfier to play though. Also sparkle being better than yunli? What the heck? Yunli's counter benefits from robin more than sparkle.
For ppl said Sparkle is good or come back when a new sp hungry char comes out,sorry to tell you that Sunday is far more SP positive than Sparkle, literally,Sparkle recovers 4 and already consume 3 to charge her ult and advancing the dps. To me,the problem is she only have 50% advance and no cleanse,even her lc is not that good,her kit is already bad to begin with. And yes,i do built DHIL and Qingque,both do that better with Sunday rather than her
It's not that Sparkle's kit is bad, hell dare I say she has a good kit design that's well balanced It's just that hoyoverse taking so much coke making Robin and Sunday making them have their kits overtuned to the moon Atleast Sparkle was balanced to keep Bronya relevant when they made her have 50% AA. They threw the balance all out the window giving Sunday: 20% cr every skill FOR THREE TURNS, ult that can battery your DPS, can 100% AA BOTH THE CHARACTER AND THEIR SUMMON, buff Crit dmg, and can restore sp?? Like does he need that many buffs in his kit at just E0S0??
Not me nerding out pointlessly over numbers again... Comparing their kits, Sparkle seems to still have a couple of things she's better at than Sunday even when he has his S1. From 0 energy, both Sunday and Sparkle are backloaded SP positive; they both need their ults to be SP positive, but it's worth noting that with his S1 Sunday is able to gain 1 SP every 2 skills/ult where Sparkle must wait for her ult, but it's also worth noting that SundayS1 will be -2 until AFTER he gets his ult off where Sparkle will be +1 WITH her ult. ALSO HOWEVER: Sparkle's Technique gives her frontloaded SP (3) which Sunday cannot do. Though Sunday's Technique gives his first ally target +50% DMG for 2 turns. Also: her skill gives a stronger crit damage buff to the ally than Sunday's ult does (26.4% of Sparkle's CD + 48.6% vs 33.6% Sunday's skill's CD + 12.8% (200 CD would give 101.4% and 80% respectively, even at 300 CD she still gives a little more (127.8% vs 113.6%)). Her talent+ult's damage bonus at full 3 stacks is 52.2% and applies to all allies (with lowest possible being 1 non-ult stack of 6.6% and needing ult + 2 stacks to get 34.8%) vs Sunday's single-target skill's DMG% of 33%. (Though with summon its +55% DMG% for +88% total.) Also Sunday gives the target of his skill 22% CR for 3 turns where Sparkle needs her sig S1 to give 10% CR to all allies. His LC, which I'm already using his S1 for this entire comment so this should probably also taken into consideration, also provides him much-needed energy every ult/skill and provides the target of his skill/ult an additional 15% stacking DMG% up to 3 for a max of 45%. And to mention what Sparkle's LC does for her: 32% CD for her (+8.4% to ally) and for the 1st 3 turns of battle allies have their CR increased by 10% and CD increased by 28% (+36.4% total to 1 ally). She can regain that CD/CR ally buff by recovering 4 skill points (unsure of exact mechanism as the wording is "For every 1 Skill Point the *wearer* recovers"). It could be worth noting that where Sunday doesn't have great alternatives for LCs, if you know how to use it DanceDanceDance it can be good on Sparkle or possibly any offensive Harmony LC since her energy needs are much lower than Sunday's. From full energy is where S1 Sunday becomes more SP positive than her. He's neutral so long as you skill the character you ulted (and the ult gives energy in addition to the CD buff), but with his S1 he gains 1 SP per 2 skills/ult for a net +2 every 3 turns. Sparkle would give 4 immediately (and her talent's +2 total helps mitigate that being too much at one time) but then she's -3 SP as she skills and then +4 when she ults again for a net +1 every 3 skills+ult. Also worth noting that his A4 has him start with +25 points of energy and his A6 gives him a cleanse to his skill vs Sparkle's A6 giving 15% ATK to all allies just by existing on the field + mono quantum bonus ATK%. (his A2 makes his ult's energy regen a minimum of 40 energy if 20% is lower than 40 and Sparkle's A2 is 10 energy on BasicATK and A4 is skill duration) I would rank them (no summons) something like SundayE0S0 < SparkleE0S0 < SparkleE0S1 < SundayE0S1. Sunday really does want his LC to be great. His next best (Bronya's) simply lacks enough energy to be as good for him oh and also hers is 1 sp every 2 ults instead of 1 every 2 skills/ult and a lower damage bonus. (Not sure if her S5's +18% ER bonus is enough to make up for the 6 energy from skill/ult he gets from his S1.) Another possibly-good(?) way to describe it is that Sunday has a higher ceiling while Sparkle has a higher floor? Investing into him seems to give higher returns than investing into Sparkle, but she's better than him at lower investment? If you don't want to get signature LCs, or summon meta, and Eidolons, Sparkle might still give you more... damage. Sparkle's big, glaring flaw, as everybody is saying, is that 50% AA. I don't know if her higher damage bonus for non-summon units equals out to that missing 50% AA, but I can only assume not. Though hers can apply to other Harmony units and isn't constrained to a single target for the SP bonus. Sadly I hear buffed CD doesn't apply to that character's buffing so chains aren't so useful... (Aside: I feel like she was designed to be with Seele between the Mono-Quantum damage bonus, significant CD and DMG%, Seele wanting SP, and the 50% AA might not feel so bad when Seele's already getting an occasional second turn AND a speed increase from her BATK/Skill anyways.) Eidolons because this is already a wall of text why stop now, also I didn't bother taking E3/E5 bonuses into account: Sparkle's: -+40% damage to all allies on Sparkle's ult (also +1 turn to its duration). -8-16-24% DEF ignore to all allies (talent stacks). -She becomes +2 SP positive after her ult instead of +1 and increase total SP to 8. -Not fully sure how her E6 works but it looks like skill does +56.4% of her CD instead of 26.4% (200: 161.4 vs 101.4 and 300: 217.8 vs 127.8) and it will apply to all allies, not just the target, so long as her ult buff is up. Sunday's: -+16% DEF ignore to target of skill (summon ignores 40%), 2 turn duration. -First ult use increases SP by 2 + the ult gives 50% DMG bonus so with the skill's 33/88% a character can have a 83/138% DMG bonus. -Gains 8 energy at the start of each turn. (Maybe if you were going to E4+ him anyways you could possibly skip his LC if you wanted to? You'd be getting the 2 SP from first ult which is better immediately, though less gain in longer fights, and then his energy problem is alleviated here, and even the Hymn damage bonus is covered by the E2 as well.) -The 22% CR from talent can now be applied with the ult, can now stack up to 3 times for 66% CR, +1 turn duration (which is 1 turn more than the skill), oh and also CR (talent buff required) that exceeds 100% now converts 1 CR to 2 CD. Sparkle seems to excel more with a team of damage dealers where Sunday is better for selfish hypercarries (and obviously summons). His kit is waaaaaay more single-target than hers is. His only theoretical team-contributions are being SP neutral/positive and with his E6 he might be able to spread his buffs around a tiny bit for some SP use and the DD not being AA'd?? Sparkle, meanwhile, has mostly teamwide buffs with only her skill's 50% AA and CD buff being single target-and the CD buff also becomes teamwide with her E6, and all of her Eidolons benefit all allies too... It's that damn 50% AA. Given the rest of her kit, especially with her Eidolons, if it had been a teamwide 50% AA maybe it would've synergized way better with her niche. It feels like she was *designed* to be used in a mono-quantum dual-DPS (at least one crit dps) team that wants tons of SP. Something like Sparkle, 2 or 3 of Seele/Jade/QQ, and 0 or 1 of Fu Xuan/Silver Wolf/Lynx if you want a sustain. Maybe it isn't good in practice though because all Sparkle teams I've ever seen are single-DPS teams... You could also replace someone with a non-Quantum character and lose only a 15% ATK bonus.
Castorice will probably be quantum remembrance, sparkle have the possibility to be relevant with her, but of course it's more probable that Sunday/Robin will do better, and we don't even know how Tribble will shake the harmony meta
Yea that some potential team. Her trace of 45% atk can be fulfilled in castorice team and her 50% advance essentially same as 100% if u use slow dps, which castorice will be.
@@invertbrid50% aa is the same as 100% aa if you're slow, only if you don't count castorice summon as unit, sparkle can only advanced the character or the mem sunday will aa both
@@AraYuannn yea Sunday prob will still be better anyway thx to summon advance. But buff amount wise, hanabi actually pretty similar. Plus 50% vs 100% isn't matter much in this case. So she shouldn't lose too much vs Sunday. But there is potential using both hanabi and Sunday in same team too for castorice.
Things to prevent Castorice from being better with the penacony twins than Sparkle She isn't an FuA DPS (Robin buffs less useful) She doesn't use energy to use her ult (Sunday ult less useful) Fairly SP negative Doesn't need her summon too much Can't just use Sunday ult instead for Robin ult since losing SP generation is bad cuz she sp negative This just me hoping and praying
She was my first unit into the game, took me 160 fucking pull for that shit. And by the time I'm done building her up she's fucking useless. I thought supports are supposed to be generally good, even Sunday, supposedly built for Summon, he can still be use an advance action, damage buffer and energy funneling. The only thing Sparkle has is recovering skill point, The action advance is a fucking joke I don't even think about it.
praying to god Castorice is a busted dps, i NEED my e2s1 sparkle to be relevant again bro theres no way i spent 300 pulls all for it to go down the drain within a few patches
E2 Sparkle is still really damn good. Def ignore/def shred is just a perpetually broken mechanic in the game. It's evident if you run multiple sources of it. Her S1 is meh. It's a statstick. I'd rather just give her dance dance dance or planetary rendezvous.
Sparkle's real issue is that her kit is all over the place. Her abilities are spread out across support for hypercarry, quantum, and SP-hungry units, and she won't perform at her peak unless she's given a partner that takes full advantage of all three areas. So far, that's a partner that the developers haven't been interested in providing. The cruel thing is that she theoretically COULD compete with units like Sunday or Robin if she received a DPS custom-tailored to her needs. She does have advantages, minor thought they may be, that other buffers lack and which could theoretically diversify her enough to push her back into meta relevance. Unfortunately, that just isn't how the character release schedule has worked out. While other teams like FUA, Break, Debuff, and now Summon are all eating good or about to be, general hypercarry has been all but abandoned for the last YEAR and Sparkle is left to scrape by as an alternative partner for older units like DHIL, Seele, and Qingque.
Let's get one thing straight: almost every Harmony unit that came after Sparkle was better. Heck, I'd even say HMC is a better unit than Sparkle just because they quite literally enable a whole new archetype But I don't agree with the notion that somehow Bronya was better at the time of Sparkle's release like some people in the communuty have posted (not necessarily in this vid/comment section) With the exception of -1 setups (which at the time of Sparkle's release, only Jingliu was the best dps for this setup), Sparkle is just a better Bronya in every way. The main thing that enabled her with a lot of teams is the fact that her buffs last until the start of your ally's next turn (1.99x turns). Any team but DoT (and technically break but that archetype hasn't been cooked yet at the time) can use Sparkle. The only real change for Bronya that pushed her up the tier list (and ergo Sparkle down the same list) was the invention of Boothill and Feixiao, both of whom prefer more actions over stronger buffs Also one more point, technically Sparkle hasn't gotten her BiS 2.x dps upgrade yet. You can argue Yunli benefits from Sparkle too but even then she still prefers Robin. DHIL, the current Sparkle BiS teammate, has 860% peak mult on his EBA3 and is an imaginary element. Who's to say Hoyo won't release a quantum dps who boasts a higher peak mult on their main damage dealing ability and is also sp hungry like DHIL?
While it's true that in hindsight maybe I could've skipped Sparkle and her LC and saved 150 or something pulls if I built Hanya instead for my QQ, I also don't mind it very much since it was thanks to pulling her that I was able to barely scrape by on MOC and specially PF with a badly built Clara, and I'll probably use her for my Acheron when I finally decide to build her after I finish farming relics for my FuA team.
If I didn't have her I wouldn't be able to beat this apoc shadow with qingque and since yunli is hardly usable vs her I still don't regret her also she is cool
Shes still rly good, ive been using her since she came out to MOC12 every release. Dont have robin so i use sparkle in my aventurine feixiao topaz team for example. Also used her in my jingyuan hypercarry/jingliu hypercarry teams
RIP my sparkle Benched almost immediately after she was obtained Your technique still comes in handy for fooling warp trotters and your character trailer is goated
People who only care about damage, no matter how clunky & restrictive the set up are, wont see much value out of Sparkle. 0 Cycle showcases have plagued the community & devalues all characters with better quality of life & ease of use, just to slot in Robin. There are plenty of cool things you can do with Sparkle if we stopped using "0 cycle" as a metric of strength: 1. SP Printer Sparkle Her only purpose on the team is to spam Basic ATK. No one can beat this much SP generation, not even Sunday nor Gallagher. Surprisingly enough, this playstyle doesn't clash with her vertical investments... almost as if they've planned it ahead of time. 2. Pseudo -1 SPD Specifically 161 Sunday & 160 Sparkle. This is especially useful for Counter DPS since they can maintain the buff from both supports for their main source of damage. Technically there's an 8 AV of downtime, but this will be fixed soon.
sparkle has potential a lot actually. nobody is as much of a skillpoint generator as her and theyre definitely gonna come back to that type of playstyle
You hit the nail on the head. “Sparkle is bad” is a nonsense opinion spread by dolphin 0 cyclers who will glaze Robin because they don’t have to deal with Robin’s downsides during their run (like most normal people do).
Gosh, thank you. I don't like how people keeps calling her useless since sunday came out 😭😭😭 it's a little too much, since I still use her very often (I have every single limited 5* harmony).
Sparkle is my most favorite character in the whole hoyoverse, she's just so fun as a character. I don't regret pulling her, though she's been on the bench ever since I got my Sunday.
Actually, there is a quantum dps on the way. A very strong one too. But Sparkle ain't seeing the light of day with it. Why ? because that quantum dps is a remembrance unit, so yet again, all hail Sunday ! xD
We need like a 5* Quantum QQ. Although I doubt if we did get a SP hungry 5* quantum character, a mono quantum team probably wouldnt be that great like less than 5 cycle moc
I've been using her in my e2 acheron team, and she's been amazing. I could pull sunday, but i dont have a single unit with a summon, so he doesn't seem worth it. Best off saving, and since HMC is better then fugue for my E2 FF comp i may be saving for castorice and Maydei
Sparkle is a great character by herself, but her companions simply can't use her kit to 100% and her best companions already have better supports or they're no longer relevant
well I don't know but I still use sparkle until now and I don't regret it even though I had robin too because I still can pass MOC and some other end game event. Also my sparkle is only E0S1 hehehe
Am i missing something? Bcs if i had sparkle id NEVER stop using her so how did she truly "fall off"? She and sunday is literally on the same page of giving more damage
I pulled for her in her rerun without having any team to use her because I love the character, no regrets, but it is sad I wont have a very good oportunity to use her...
The fact that they took sparkle's niche and straight up ctrl c ctrl v'ed it on another character who ALREADY has a niche is so dumb and just shows they don't care about the relevance of old characters.
@@usmanya5110 QQ and Seele are the ones who can really maximize her buffing style. Seele really only appreciates the extra skill points. Bronya is still a better fit her due to the gutanteed extra turn. QQ just doesn't have a true dedicated option for the new Meta
i pulled for sparkle and her lc because she's cute, i even fully built her but i havent used her in a single team because i literally do not have a dps thats good with her
I pulled Sparkle e2s1 on her release, no regrets lol. I still use her on my Acheron team. She's e2s1 as well, so she doesn't need 2 Nihility with her, so I give up a spot to Sparkle so that Acheron can get her turns faster for her debuffs to get up faster. I just wish I could use DHIL more, I miss my DHIL. I tried using him in this MOC and he got his butt pwned, I had to switch out to Rappa team instead.
She's still insanely good at high investment. At E2 she's my favorite support to use with Acheron, who scales very well with loads of CDMG and ATK (boots as well as E1 buff). Her ult/talent DMG buff also scales nicely with JQ E1, giving nearly 100% increase, fully stacking the DPS-side buffs while he provides loads of vulnerability to the enemy. I doubt she will be losing relevance on my acct anytime soon, and if Castorice LC incorporates DEF ignore (would be a smart design choice if you ask me) then her E2 will be given a new level of relevance and she may become, selectively, a top support for a new meta DPS. Using her with Acheron frees up RM and Robin for their current niche teams as well, which have all received much more focus lately. This isn't an argument against her place in the F2P meta, but selective investment in supports will always pay off IMO, if you focus on one that you really like. I'm not saying "just pull eidolons" by any means, simply want to share my experience with the character in context of the topic. It was just my choice to choose a team to invest in for longevity, and it looks like we'll be getting a fair bit of AoE lightning centric content in the endgame in the near future, so I'm lacking FOMO over Sunday and Aglaea. Sparkle mains rise up.
just give us a planar that gives her that last 50% action advance she was robbed of something like "+x crit damage, if crit damage gets to x threshold and the wearer is using Skill or Ultimate on one ally target action advance them by 50%" it not only fixes Sparkles one problem it also indirectly buffs the other harmony units that mostly fell off
....which other harmony character does this help? Literally no one else benefits from this. Bronya already has 100% advance, Yukong skill targets all characters, her ult is an attack, asta ult all characters and her skill is an attack.. so this would only benefit tingyun fully and hanya half because of her ult, but tingyun and hanya don't want to build cdmg so that also doesn't make sense
@@zzzy1934 ngl if they made that without adding in the amount of × CD%. Then robin and ruan mei would get either buffed or be harder to play. Since you'd usually skill on their last turn before the buff expires.
Sparkle on release didn't give as much of an upgrade over Bronya anyways Bronya still buffed better not to mention -1speed was way stronger than 160 speed all she gave was Comfort that people overvalued her lc is useless and her kit really just proves that they slapped Sp positivity and called it a day
Only casual and skill issues player like you cannot manage Robin 😂. Robin can easily be played with qpq Gallagher and easier to build without worrying about speed and crit damage. Just see how many showcase Robin easily beating sparkle even in hypercarry team. Use you brain and not putting the blame on casual 😂. Even casual player can manage 😂
@syidibuzzbuzz962 firstly, that Gallagher needs to be super fast. And he can't even FULLY manage it on zero cycle clears, if players can't clear first half in one cycle they're beyond cooked, how many percentage of people do you think do 0 cycle clears?
WHAT?? Bro I literally use sparkle for every team, and with Sunday they make a amazing combo! Plus, I’m bad at managing perice points, I forgot the name
Sparkle fell to her lowest usage when Rappa released because Rappa outclassed DHIL? Rappa is one of the worst selling, iiirc THE worst selling banner in HSR history. How can Sparkle + DHIL fall lower in usage because of a character no one pulled? Unless the sample size is 100 meta-obsessed people this sounds like fan fiction.
people who have rappa use rappa, therefore high usage rate. you can't use a character you don't have, so if you don't have rappa you shouldn't enter the equation.
As she's being used right now, she will 100% get powercrept. Right now she's a good DPS and support, but once they start releasing more AR supports for each element, she will fall off. She will always have the quantum niche tho.
The problem with HSR is that they’re releasing too many 5 stars at once and no 4 stars. All of the new characters shown in the trailer for Amphoreus I’m pretty sure were leaked to be 5 stars, and now it’s gotten to a point where 4 FIVE STAR CHARACTERS HAVE TO BE RERUN AT ONCE TO CYCLE THROUGH THEM ITS INSANE Give us more 4 stars hoyo…
Idk, I have Sparkle, Robin and Sunday and I still prefer Sparkle in almost every team because she somehow feels easier to play. And also I think -1 speed shenanigans and speed management in general is the worst part of the game, so I'll just leave Sunday for collection purposes and use Sparkle every time I can instead
Welcome to HSR where 4-star characters are overshadowed by 5-star characters. And sometimes even 5-star characters can be overshadowed by newer 5-star characters.
It’s hilarious, as an account that only plays female DPS, I really never had a place for Sparkle outside of Seele (E0 Acheron), so I always kind of regretted her to an extent, and always thought Bronya was better. It’s crazy to see how explosive and quick her downfall was, but I really never thought she was all that good to begin with because she had no real place on my teams.
Still waiting for the sp negative or the mono quantum meta like literally hsr tricked us with 2.0 I was expecting dot (black swan) and sp negative or/and moni quantum meta (sparkle) but no they took a whole new archetype
The worst part of Sparkle is that she is very good and not powercrept at all, she can even rival the new top tier supports...but there is just no characters for her to be used for. Hyper carry is dead, there hasn't been a good hyper carry unit released since before 2.0, Acheron is the only one who could hyper carry but you need her E2S1 to do that which is absurdly expensive. Sparkle doesn't need quantum teammates to work even if she likes them, but there just... isn't a good quantum unit out for her to support anymore. Seele cannot use her kit at all anymore, the enemies just have too much health, QingQue doesn't do enough damage anymore and she's still heavily reliant on RNG for lackluster damage, Silver Wolf has been replaced by Fugue and fell off hard, Lynx is now only a off meta niche character for Clara or Yunli, and FuXuan has been sliding down a slope as enemies have been doing more and more damage which has been outpacing her defense capabilities. So, the quantum units are bad. Ignoring that side of things, who does she have to work with? Jingliu? DHIL? Those are the two best hypercarries and Jingliu is the only one who can kinda be considered relevant, since we are about to get allot of ice weakness in 3.0. Her damage isn't relevant, but it's nowhere near as bad as DHIL, super expensive for low damage. Sparkle suffers from being a BiS character specifically designed for an archetype that has been in the bin since before she even released, and has only gotten worse and that seems to not be changing, as 3.0 is not releasing any hypercarries. If we ever get a hyper carry again, she will jump in usage, but for the moment she just...exists, waiting for the moment to step onto the stage.
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I mean, Sparkle is still a good unit. I feel like complaining about something leaving meta is counterintuitive. Like, if you're actually aiming for the meta in a game, you gotta go in expecting things to change in the future. Metas shift ALL the time - this isn't just an HSR thing. So the argument just feels like someone spending $300 to go see a concert live, getting home, and then seeing it uploaded onto youtube for free.
Personally I'm a die hard Sparkle fan, and for me personally she's better than most of the supports *cough cough* Robin and sunday *cough cough* as i use her in a lot more teams than I do say robin or sunday who i'll never use as to me he really never will be worth wasting pulls for, and robin who is very heavy to build and is a pain and then you dont even have enough attack or speed ect for robin I just end up using her ult and it doing nothing where as sparkle I feel like I get something done. I highly regret pulling for robin and I wish i'd skipped and pulled for other characters, to me robin is worthless as I dont have a FUA team and never will use one due to me having a dislike for feixiao and any follow up attacking team, sure she may be good for other teams, but I don't have any teams she fits into, I have an acheron team, a yunli team that has robin but underperforms massively in even story, and a rappa team without ruan mei that overperforms still. For me Sparkle will always be my go to before robin.
As someone with Sparkle, Sunday, and Robin, I still use Sparkle often. She’s done right oppressive and DDD is pretty good on her. This is also niche but I’ve found running her with Sunday on a hyper carry to be pretty funny.
Same case here! My favorite team currently is E2S1 DHIL + E0S1 Sparkle + E0S1 Sunday + Luocha/ E0S0 Robin. Sometimes I switch out Sparkle's sig with S5 DDD or another of S1 Sunday's sig cuz I got dupes from a 10-pull, and it's a blast!
I literally stopped using Sparkle the very moment I got Sunday, he powercrept her so bad that she doesn't really have a team in my account. Had I pulled for Dan Heng IL I would run them together, but I didn't, so... 🙃
Sparkle suffer the same problem with Blade, being too balance in a game full of broken 5 stars
Actually she got burned worse... Blade got Jingliu who works great with him, and he's not even a support, he doesn't 'need' great synergies with future release characters like Supports do. Literally every character post sparkle goes out of their way to NOT work with Sparkle WHEN SHE IS A SUPPORT AND NEEDS SOMEONE TO.
@@Ghalion666 hopefully castorice?
Actually the game itself was so unbalanced that "Normie" characters like them or Genshin-like kits chara or even the 4 star Can Not keep up with the game mechanics
So this technically is the game fault, not only the characters kit fault
It's crazy that Blade has gotten more team options than Sparkle and he's a 1.x unit. Sub-DPS Jingliu/Blade, superbreak Blade, Jade/Blade, Blade in DOT pure fiction is also cracked.
@@ladyhdwastaken tbh even though Blade kind of sucks as a hypercarry he's great in dual-DPS teams from what I've seen. I even saw some people running him with Topaz back when she didn't have much team options lol.
Sparkle just like Keqing fr
- Get powercreep'd
- isekai'd to Hi3
- Come back 2 years later
- Get powercreep'd AGAIN
- Repeat???
And she's mid in HI3 too lol
I quit Genshin before Inazuma, but I think Keqing was actually good with hyperbloom Nahida?
@@Super-7327just LYING
@@Super-7327Spouting lies for the love of the game?
@@Super-7327 Say something else will ya.
Calling sunday a chicken wing boy and he took that personally
Sparkle following Hanya's footsteps 🥲
Stop disbespecting spsrkle she still goooat
well she powercrept Hanya so she got her karma
@@Gleamvioustea
Get off my goat dude😢😢
She's still very good, the only problem with her is the same thing that happened with DoT, Hoyo decided to only focus on break and FUA teams for an eternity so it not only made the teams that preferred Sparkle fall off from the insane power creep, but they just didn't give them anything new.
The same issue as the HP inflation, they don't spread out characters and relics across different teams to keep them all near the same power while the top teams are buffed repeatedly even when they're the strongest.
RM and Robin are just favored by the newest units but if they suddenly shift back to focus on crit and very SP hungry teams, she'll be back. It's just 4 slot syndrome right now, especially with combos like RM and HMC and now Robin and Sunday.
Bronya is still used in a handful of teams that a Sparkle could fit into but doesn't because Bronya, a standard 5* that we've had since release, is just better.
The fact is Sparkle is just not that good for anyone right now. FUAers but not dual dps (odd): E6 Bronya and Sunday's buffs last long enough. Summons: Sunday is BIS. DHIL: Sunday is better than Sparkle. Hypercarry Boothill (Non-superbreak): Sunday and Bronya are interchangable or you can use them together. Sunday and Bronya are also run together in triple harmony teams with the core being Bronya, Sunday and Robin. Ruan is just universally good, same with Robin, so it's not fair to compare them.
Sparkle is just... okay. She doesn't have anything she does better than anyone else.
@ladyhdwastaken If they make a team that wants crit and is very SP heavy overall, not just the DPS, she'll be back. Yes, some people use Bronya but they're not the same buffs. Sparkle gives more crit stats and arguably the main draw is the SP, there hasn't been a team to utilize that really, just DHIL and maybe Jing Yuan before Sunday dropped.
My point is just that she's not bad, she didn't fall off because she was power crept, it's just that none of the good teams would give up a slot for her unless the player doesn't own the alternatives right now, but that could change.
Well, now it doesn't matter bc Sunday is just as SP positive as Sparkle. They'd need to basically give us a modernized version of QQ: an extremely SP hungry Quantum Hypercarry who doesn't necessarily want full action advance in order for Sparkle to be useful again. Of course, this might not even be enough, as Sunday's Dmg boost and full crit boosting and energy restoration would probably still make that unit better than Sparkle could. This is the sad reality we face.
@JosepiThe13th He's only for one character, if they made a team that are all SP heavy, suddenly she could find a place. It remains to be seen. She's not actually a massive downgrade to the other 2 in a lot of teams, she's just not the best option by comparison.
But Sunday has crit and with his LC generates more SP
Sparkle singlehandedly made me scrutinize every support character before deciding to pull. The lesson I got from her also made me thread very conservatively with my pulls in GI. No matter what all the CCs say about a character being broken, that's secondary. What's important is to thoroughly understand the character's kit and how the character can effectively do for the team even after a full version cycle down.
@@leestefan2999 yeah and in hindsight she had nothing unique about her kit (she's only +1 sp every 3 turns, the same sp gen as RM) and an unnecessary nerf to her AA in an attempt to balance. Looking at Sunday, Robin, RM, they all have niches that arent just strictly based on numerical buffs. RM delay plus team wbe, robin being broken, Sunday summon AA and energy regen. I think the best way to judge this is that Robin was an oversight, she's like if neuvilette was introduced during 2.x levels of meta warping, and now they have to balance everything else around her, which results in the fuckery that is the current harmony star rail we have rn.
The same with Robin tbh. People are overhyping her as the the best unit in the game, saying that “she is BiS for every team that isn’t break”, except she isn’t even that good for low spenders even for follow up teams. The sparkle in question beats her out for Yunli, Bronya or Tingyun beats Robin for ratio, etc.
@@UnderplayedCreations now ur just capping man
As someone who have both sparkle and robin e0s0, robin is just sooo much more overtuned. Esp considering a qpq gallagher for her energy refund or just the usual hypercarry setup
@@bubblesparks So people want to use ER planars on their Tingyun/Ruan Mei because they want to be sure they get their ults back without relying on RNG, but also are ok with RNG with QPQ…?
I think you’re coping trying to make Robin seem good for F2P like she is for dolphins. Sparkle at least has a complete kit without any eids or sigs. That’s why other supports instead of Robin are good for F2P Ratio and Yunli
@@UnderplayedCreations even a robin played with bad rng/play is equal to sparkle. Sparkle at her peak is only robin at her mid. Why do you think ppl use robin ults, bronya advances, etc. to get robin ult? its so strong it's worth playing around. You dont play around using sparkle/rm/ty/etc. you just put them in and it works, robin you have to use your brain (omg what a concept) but in return she's like at minimum 2 cycles better than her competition except maybe sunday
Robin happened is what caused Sparkle's downfall.
Robin ( a teamwide buffer supposed to specialized for FuA ) is so overtuned and broken she gives better buffs to each individual team member than Sparkle does to a single target( THE hypercarry support btw ). Robin is single handedly part of why HP has been inflating so much recently if you paid attention as it's since her launch did the HP start going to shit. Sunday needed to sell but he's competing with Robin so Hoyo with how "creative" they are at designing character kits decided to make him a Bronya Sparkle fusion Promax with the added benefit of regening energy just so he could stand a chance agaisnt Robin and even then people are still contemplating whether he's worth pulling before on the off-chance he gets the Sparkle treatment too in the future.
And before anyone says "Sparkle was released undertuned its her own fault" you're just used to Hoyo allowing Harmony to be overtuned and do everything with no drawbacks for no reason sometimes doing Nihility's jobs better than them, Sparkle is how every Harmony should of been and not whatever abomination Ruan Mei and Robin are. If there's any undertuned support it was always gonna be Silver Wolf.
I gotta say i agree at most, buuuut.
Ruan mei was not thaat strong at first when she come out.
Good, yeah, but not game changing.
That just happend now because the game just double all the enemies break shield to be "normal" only if you have ruan mei + make te entire game move around break the enemies or never kill them again......🙃
@@destock1637 yup anyone who pull for RM at the time of release would not even realize she was going to be broken because remember that unlike Remembrance TB, we don't even know HarmonyTB full kit yet and had 0 knowledge about the shift to Superbreak meta.
@@dodixaverius9176 Yeah we all thought it was going to be DoT and SP meta thanks to Swan and Sparkle releasing in 2.0, boy that sure aged like milk.
@@thefisherguy7269 RM pre break was in line with sparkle, break boosted her and it basically the comp that keeps her relevant, otherwise she's outclassed by robin just like everyone else. Sunday is rly good and only behind his sister rn. This aint just a support issue, dpses have been getting ridiculous since Acheron. Sunday Robin buffs old hypercarries to a point where its viable for casuals but ppl will still default towards the acheron, break, and fua comps
@@destock1637 ruan mei was super strong when she came out and then got even better
I will never regret pulling for sparkle she has a special place in my heart
❤
Sparkle mains resonate with this yes, justice for Sparkle please Hoyoooo
This for me. I love Sparkle. Idc that she's been powercrept ❤
Yeah....I roll for her because I love her design and character, not because of meta. I agree with you not regret pulling her.
I pulled sparkle because she remind me of kurumi and benched since her release since i dont even have DHIL 💀
Sparkle is indicative of a general HSR problem where they give a lot of pieces for different archetypes all at once, and then slowly focus on a few while ignoring the others. DoT, SP consumption, and HP consumption were all cast aside to focus more on follow up, break, and debuff teams. It sounds like in 3.x onward we'll be getting more HP buffers, but with a new focus on summon teams and erudition teams, there's no word on what's going to happen to these units that are already struggling, or what'll happen to the already established teams that will stop getting new partners as we flesh out new archetypes. I like Sparkle a lot, but am I really supposed to use QQ for another year because they won't make any new SP consumption units?
Sadly follow new meta is the best solution. Game gives much pulls anyway and E0S0 meta dps surely can carry for that entire patch + bit more. Acheron FF and feixiao at least will still do ok in few patches.
Usually take like a year or so for old meta to start become powercreeped, when that time comes...time to invest on new meta. It's the way HSR want players to play I guess.
HP increasing units? You mean... Fu Xuan buffs?! Fu Xuan about to become best sustain again????
@@JosepiThe13th depends if they keep releasing more ST heavy damage enemies in the game.
i'm a QQ main since 1.0 and sparkle has been an absolute godsend with sunday for my account
The only problem sparkle has is her 50% Action Advance.
If she had gotten 100% she would be used in the same teams Sunday is used in.
Unfortunately she has an insane infinite DDD exploit with Bronya if she was able to 100% AA other harmony units (hence Sunday's drawback).
@@jeans.406 they'll never make an AA support that is not 100% anymore😭
@@Wawawawawa750 They sure will make some 4-stars like that that no one will use.
Another problem is her buff lasting 1.99 turns instead of 2 turns like Sunday. This was her anti synergy with Sunday.
@@DemanaJaireThe last 4 Star was like 2, 3 patches ago. The next time we get another 4 star it'll be 4.0 💀
@@guthetanuki256only three 4* chars since 2.0 btw. Or, to be more precise, for almost a year 👍
Sparkle will come back she is just busy in Hi3. If Hp manipulation characters can come back. We will see SP hungry character
Sunday has higher SP generation with his lc though 😂😂😂
@@rust5427use sunday lc on hanabi and you are done. 🤗
@@rust5427 then pull his light cone for sparkle easy fix
She's dead forever. Hoyo hates her
@@shaine9968what about people who already have sparkle's signature lc? Will they keep pulling new lc(s) just to keep her usable? Sunday himself is an big upgrade kit wise
Sparkle will only come back if they release a super hungry dps much like DHIL where it needs like a lot of sp in a single turn which an e0s1 sunday can't suffice, preferably a quantum character to really maximize her (sparkle) kit
so a 5* Qingque it is
she isn't even that sp positive, just 4 sp over 3 turns
She generates one sp every 4 turns which is awful for sp hungry dps. The only thing she has going for her is her crit damage buff and the skill point maximum increase. Just play Sunday.
But Why use a Character like that, if we have SP positive character or at least characters that can be more team versatile that someone that can only work with Sparkle
@@The-hamster2471 The only scenario I would want Sparkle over Sunday is for Qingque specificallly and that is SOLELY because of QQ's RNG factor. Sometimes I use 0 SP and QQ has 4 tiles. Sometimes I use 6 SP and there are still no matches. QQ is the only character in the game with this much volatility in their SP use as a hypercarry.
But even then, Sunday energy regen (with Tingyun, cause QQ ult is forking expensive) might be better anyway since her ult is a guaranteed match and she gets no more buffs from her own kit after 4SP.
Given that new paths xan be introduced. Sparkle may be revived if we have Propagation gameplay.
just like how remembrance ended up not being about freeze, propagation may not even be about sp, you know?
and lets not act like alot of these paths will even happen due to the devs running out of archetypes(main reason) and lore excuses like how the hell would we get the blessing of propagation.
@@chokeolatte^No? SU/DU Remembrance's niche works around the Ice elements and Nihility, it'd look really weird if all remembrance units are all Ice if they followed that design lol so they had to make a mechanic that already existed but unique.
While propagation is simply for the sp consumption and generation team archetype and isn't limited to an element for it to work. There's already DHIL and Qingque who are released for the mechanic So the chances of it being playable is very likely.
@@Cap-br6oh yeah, Rememberance is redundant af, its pretty much: Destruction with a summon, hunt but with a summon, abundance but with a summon and so on.
@@michapiasta3072Especially if the Aglaea footage is anything go by, they seem to have follow up attacks built in their kit. It's as you say: it makes them no different from any other DPS path so I think Remembrance could possibly be the last additional path they add unless they find yet another way to monetize and make another extreme niche for Propagation to thrive in.
Sadly I do not think she will get a comeback, unless we get a dps that is so sp hungry that we have to run Basic atk SP generator sparkle (or a dps that prefers her burst sp generation). Hell I think Bronya has a higher chance of coming back over her. 50% AA gutted her entirely, and the new set with the slower set with a ton of crit potentially buffs her but that does not offset the fact her lower AA puts her in a massive disadvantage since that set also buffs sunday and bronya. This is bcs she has anti synergy with basically every other AA support, Robin wastes her AA, Her short buff duration makes her anti synergetic with sunday, and her lower AA% means that even if you do run them together, sparkle sunday is just worse than Sunday bronya. I think this disparity will become worse when RMC arrives and showcases have alr shown massive synergy with sunday (so by extension bronya) and Robin bcs 100% AA is 100% AA
Also to note: a better quantum dps will not automatically want sparkle over the other supports. her quantum trace is 30% atk, thats barely gonna make a difference compared to sunday AA both dps and their summon, robin getting more energy and personal dmg from FuA, or RM making breaking enemies faster/recover slower. Synergy with an archetype shouldn't just be a numerical buff bcs thats easy to powecreep, you need an inherent synergy with the archetype you're playing with beyond that
I love how everyone hasn't mentioned sparkle with achreon is so good . Like her best team are supports that do no dmg plus tobin gives more buffs to follow up teams like lol-
@gameexpert133 no one mentions her bcs she's generally outclassed by Sunday AND Bronya, even ignoring Robin. For acheron specifically, they're all close in power for slow Acheron (and she can't be used with spd acheron setup) but Bronya + Sunday buff profile is stronger for Acheron (Acheron wants atk buffs, Bronya gives better atk buffs, and sunday crit rate talent lets dps run atk chest)
@@Wawawawawa750 we are not running atk chest just because of 20% crit rate from sunday, crit dmg% body would almost always be better
@@SSpilexx eideh has just posted a video where he did run atk chest lmao. Sunday alr gives 72+ crit dmg for acheron and her lc gives her more, all the while giving 0 atk buffs at all, so crit dmg chest gets diluted more. It probably Depends on your build but an atk chest with great crit subs on relics is most likely best build over crit dmg chest with great crit subs with sunday (it's even better with spd acheron bcs she's sorely lacking atk with only atk orb and atk rope)
Think about it, sunday is equal to robin as her harmony unit. Robin gives a whopping 1K atk and only 20 cdmg, and despite her atk steroid acheron will still run atk boots atk sphere atk orb over dmg orb. Sunday gives way more cdmg as well as balancing crit ratio with his 20% crit rate, and the trade off is no atk buffs AT ALL, so acheron still only has 3 atk main relic stats and an atk chest is basically compensating for using sunday instead of robin (while crit chest compensates for using robin instead of sunday). This aint feasible with sparkle/bronya bcs its way too hard too get a good crit ratio without a crit rate chest, but with sunday this aint a problem. support buff profile matters when choosing dps relics, sunday is the first support that lets us theoretically calc atk chest without massively compromising our crit ratio
@@Wawawawawa750 tbf my point is less relevant since i'm running her at 25% crit rate, I'm just to lazy to make the switch to Atk% even though i should. Not that it matters in the slightest but yea
This is why its so important to pull for characters you actually LIKE and not just characters who are good in the meta.
11:14 Honkai Impact 3rd meta operates on a different way
Main dps had taken around 1.5 to 3 years to get replaced
But supports had taken , at minimum, 4 years to get replace. Except Azure Empyrea whose still is the the top fire support since ver.3.7 and one of the best parners for Sparkle
However , since Honkai part 2. All the characters before 2020 can't be played anymore since do zero damage or had their damage cut in more than half since don't work with the support mechanics from part 2
Your set mental are wrong hi3 part 2 meta is different all supports are DPS and all DPS are supports.
Part 1 characters are not useless there are part 2 characters that buff part 1
I still be using sparkle for my e2 acheron team but other than this team and dhil/qq teams, sparkle can't compete with sunday/other similar harmony kits
And I don’t think there’s anything wrong with specialized supports. If every single harmony works for every character they’re going to have to keep powercreeping the last. Sparkle shines in the few teams she’s designed for and will continue to be great for future SP hungry units just like Sunday will age well for future summon units.
I was so hyped for Mono Quantum…until I tried it myself.
Mono Quantum was such a straightforward concept, but the way they fumbled the execution somehow still baffles me.
I have all of the pieces, but I've benched Sparkle since her release for real, since I don't have DHIL who's one of her better teammates.
I hope one day there's a 'tailored' Quantum DPS with today's level of scaling so Sparkle (and other Quantum units/supports) can get a resurgence.
The new set hints at a super slow Quantum DPS Unit. Already sounds like a job for both Sunday and Sparkle to work together, hopefully.
Mono quantum was always a cope team from those silver wolf main trying to bait you lmao
@@justamuartyep castorice maybe can revatalize mono quantum team. Well not mono quantum anymore prob as u maybe will use Sunday anyway instead of SW.
But castorice is slow dps with the new relic that want super slow speed. So 50% advance and 100% essentially give same result anyway. Plus quantum trade of hanabi can give 45% attack at max which is achievable just be using 3 quantum. Only need fuxuan as sustain coz castorice and hanabi are quantum already themselves.
Sunday with his LC also generates more sp than her his skill buff is 2 turns and the rest of the buffs being 3 turns only way to make sparkle better than Sunday is investing her eidolons which is expensive
It's simple. Supports are only as good as the team type they enable. Robin, Ruan Mei and Trailblazer are top tier because they enable Follow-Up and Break.
Sparkle enables hypercarries, and those haven't been meta in a good while, she's just waiting for the next non-summoner Hypercarry.
exactly there will be a time where ruan mei and robin grow less strong if their team is powercrept
@@theikhtizz6761 I don't see either of them being less strong any time soon. If anything, they will just slot into future teams unless speed boost + dmg boost + Weakness break efficiency (Ruan skill) and dmg boost (robin skill) become useless and Res Pen (Ruan Ult) and Atk boost FUA CD boost and teamwide 100% action advance (Robin ult) become useless.
It's so funny to me that Robin makes Ruan Mei look balanced when she's far from it.
@@ladyhdwastakenwell if 3.X they stop supporting break, then RM would fall off slowly too, same as hanabi when 2.x happened.
Tho robin I don't see being dropped anytime soon as she just took versatile. Summon team can even use her still.
IL is a non summoner hypercarry yet sunday is better for him so...😂
@@zzzy1934 hahh hes not. i have e1s1 sunday and my sparkle still better with dhil
B-b-b-ut she'll powercreep BRoNyA
Nah, CEO of Hoyo is fine wine. E2 Sparkle is great but she just feels like 1/3 of a character without it. Shame, cause they just abandoned whatever they planned on doing with her.
And the sad thing is her BIS ideal scenario is an SP hungry mono quantum team which... has not changed whatsoever. Jade doesn't even want her. Edit: She's not bad, by any means, but there is just no ideal scenario for her right now and doesn't seem to be in the near future (The Herta, likely double DPS since most erudition are, and Aglaea, who will probably just want Sunday)
Losing 50/50 on sparkle's banner was a blessing because I was able to use the guaranteed on Acheron's banner then pull her Lc and being able to clean all endgame content
Despite how sparkle has fallen from meta, I'll never forget just how much she has helped me on clearing moc 12 stars on the early days . I'll never regret pulling for you sparkle, now have fun being top tier in HI3rd sparkle may Aha bless you with plentiful laughs and joy
same pulling sparkle back in 2.0 for my dhil has helped me to full star moc for the first time
Same here. I still remember waiting for her banner but then I wasted my guaranteed on Danil's e1. I was hella worried at first but then I somehow won the 50/50 AND got her e1 in another 10 pull. Decided to get her LC too afterwards and i regret NOTHING.
Sunday and Robin kicked her out of Penacony 🤭
@@keneunaegbu851 i'm scared that if i commented. that unplay idiot is gonna try to crash me. But i just wanna say
i think you're a winner in my book honestly. Some of the person's logic doesn't make any sense. it confuses me. I'm also a low spender player. Even before i got her e1 i actually felt the power. ngl she feels like a big boost to most of my teams thay aren't break more so than the other buffers and that was without her event LC. And since her LC and the upgrades. is free now and i get to enjoy a more optimized version of her. And my god the power is there.
Honestly though as very fua centric player myself.
If you're playing ratio with an all e0s0 ipc team. then maybe don't use topaz? she's hardly unit to consider for ratio. till you get her s1 or her e1 or both. While for feixiao it's interesting. Cause i find her to be the best but not by alot as i find moze and march to feel better than topaz if she's at e0s0, but she's more comfier to play though.
Also sparkle being better than yunli? What the heck? Yunli's counter benefits from robin more than sparkle.
For ppl said Sparkle is good or come back when a new sp hungry char comes out,sorry to tell you that Sunday is far more SP positive than Sparkle, literally,Sparkle recovers 4 and already consume 3 to charge her ult and advancing the dps.
To me,the problem is she only have 50% advance and no cleanse,even her lc is not that good,her kit is already bad to begin with.
And yes,i do built DHIL and Qingque,both do that better with Sunday rather than her
It's not that Sparkle's kit is bad, hell dare I say she has a good kit design that's well balanced
It's just that hoyoverse taking so much coke making Robin and Sunday making them have their kits overtuned to the moon
Atleast Sparkle was balanced to keep Bronya relevant when they made her have 50% AA.
They threw the balance all out the window giving Sunday: 20% cr every skill FOR THREE TURNS, ult that can battery your DPS, can 100% AA BOTH THE CHARACTER AND THEIR SUMMON, buff Crit dmg, and can restore sp?? Like does he need that many buffs in his kit at just E0S0??
Not me nerding out pointlessly over numbers again...
Comparing their kits, Sparkle seems to still have a couple of things she's better at than Sunday even when he has his S1. From 0 energy, both Sunday and Sparkle are backloaded SP positive; they both need their ults to be SP positive, but it's worth noting that with his S1 Sunday is able to gain 1 SP every 2 skills/ult where Sparkle must wait for her ult, but it's also worth noting that SundayS1 will be -2 until AFTER he gets his ult off where Sparkle will be +1 WITH her ult. ALSO HOWEVER: Sparkle's Technique gives her frontloaded SP (3) which Sunday cannot do. Though Sunday's Technique gives his first ally target +50% DMG for 2 turns.
Also: her skill gives a stronger crit damage buff to the ally than Sunday's ult does (26.4% of Sparkle's CD + 48.6% vs 33.6% Sunday's skill's CD + 12.8% (200 CD would give 101.4% and 80% respectively, even at 300 CD she still gives a little more (127.8% vs 113.6%)). Her talent+ult's damage bonus at full 3 stacks is 52.2% and applies to all allies (with lowest possible being 1 non-ult stack of 6.6% and needing ult + 2 stacks to get 34.8%) vs Sunday's single-target skill's DMG% of 33%. (Though with summon its +55% DMG% for +88% total.) Also Sunday gives the target of his skill 22% CR for 3 turns where Sparkle needs her sig S1 to give 10% CR to all allies.
His LC, which I'm already using his S1 for this entire comment so this should probably also taken into consideration, also provides him much-needed energy every ult/skill and provides the target of his skill/ult an additional 15% stacking DMG% up to 3 for a max of 45%.
And to mention what Sparkle's LC does for her: 32% CD for her (+8.4% to ally) and for the 1st 3 turns of battle allies have their CR increased by 10% and CD increased by 28% (+36.4% total to 1 ally). She can regain that CD/CR ally buff by recovering 4 skill points (unsure of exact mechanism as the wording is "For every 1 Skill Point the *wearer* recovers"). It could be worth noting that where Sunday doesn't have great alternatives for LCs, if you know how to use it DanceDanceDance it can be good on Sparkle or possibly any offensive Harmony LC since her energy needs are much lower than Sunday's.
From full energy is where S1 Sunday becomes more SP positive than her. He's neutral so long as you skill the character you ulted (and the ult gives energy in addition to the CD buff), but with his S1 he gains 1 SP per 2 skills/ult for a net +2 every 3 turns.
Sparkle would give 4 immediately (and her talent's +2 total helps mitigate that being too much at one time) but then she's -3 SP as she skills and then +4 when she ults again for a net +1 every 3 skills+ult.
Also worth noting that his A4 has him start with +25 points of energy and his A6 gives him a cleanse to his skill vs Sparkle's A6 giving 15% ATK to all allies just by existing on the field + mono quantum bonus ATK%. (his A2 makes his ult's energy regen a minimum of 40 energy if 20% is lower than 40 and Sparkle's A2 is 10 energy on BasicATK and A4 is skill duration)
I would rank them (no summons) something like SundayE0S0 < SparkleE0S0 < SparkleE0S1 < SundayE0S1. Sunday really does want his LC to be great. His next best (Bronya's) simply lacks enough energy to be as good for him oh and also hers is 1 sp every 2 ults instead of 1 every 2 skills/ult and a lower damage bonus. (Not sure if her S5's +18% ER bonus is enough to make up for the 6 energy from skill/ult he gets from his S1.) Another possibly-good(?) way to describe it is that Sunday has a higher ceiling while Sparkle has a higher floor? Investing into him seems to give higher returns than investing into Sparkle, but she's better than him at lower investment?
If you don't want to get signature LCs, or summon meta, and Eidolons, Sparkle might still give you more... damage. Sparkle's big, glaring flaw, as everybody is saying, is that 50% AA. I don't know if her higher damage bonus for non-summon units equals out to that missing 50% AA, but I can only assume not. Though hers can apply to other Harmony units and isn't constrained to a single target for the SP bonus. Sadly I hear buffed CD doesn't apply to that character's buffing so chains aren't so useful...
(Aside: I feel like she was designed to be with Seele between the Mono-Quantum damage bonus, significant CD and DMG%, Seele wanting SP, and the 50% AA might not feel so bad when Seele's already getting an occasional second turn AND a speed increase from her BATK/Skill anyways.)
Eidolons because this is already a wall of text why stop now, also I didn't bother taking E3/E5 bonuses into account:
Sparkle's:
-+40% damage to all allies on Sparkle's ult (also +1 turn to its duration).
-8-16-24% DEF ignore to all allies (talent stacks).
-She becomes +2 SP positive after her ult instead of +1 and increase total SP to 8.
-Not fully sure how her E6 works but it looks like skill does +56.4% of her CD instead of 26.4% (200: 161.4 vs 101.4 and 300: 217.8 vs 127.8) and it will apply to all allies, not just the target, so long as her ult buff is up.
Sunday's:
-+16% DEF ignore to target of skill (summon ignores 40%), 2 turn duration.
-First ult use increases SP by 2 + the ult gives 50% DMG bonus so with the skill's 33/88% a character can have a 83/138% DMG bonus.
-Gains 8 energy at the start of each turn. (Maybe if you were going to E4+ him anyways you could possibly skip his LC if you wanted to? You'd be getting the 2 SP from first ult which is better immediately, though less gain in longer fights, and then his energy problem is alleviated here, and even the Hymn damage bonus is covered by the E2 as well.)
-The 22% CR from talent can now be applied with the ult, can now stack up to 3 times for 66% CR, +1 turn duration (which is 1 turn more than the skill), oh and also CR (talent buff required) that exceeds 100% now converts 1 CR to 2 CD.
Sparkle seems to excel more with a team of damage dealers where Sunday is better for selfish hypercarries (and obviously summons). His kit is waaaaaay more single-target than hers is. His only theoretical team-contributions are being SP neutral/positive and with his E6 he might be able to spread his buffs around a tiny bit for some SP use and the DD not being AA'd?? Sparkle, meanwhile, has mostly teamwide buffs with only her skill's 50% AA and CD buff being single target-and the CD buff also becomes teamwide with her E6, and all of her Eidolons benefit all allies too...
It's that damn 50% AA. Given the rest of her kit, especially with her Eidolons, if it had been a teamwide 50% AA maybe it would've synergized way better with her niche. It feels like she was *designed* to be used in a mono-quantum dual-DPS (at least one crit dps) team that wants tons of SP. Something like Sparkle, 2 or 3 of Seele/Jade/QQ, and 0 or 1 of Fu Xuan/Silver Wolf/Lynx if you want a sustain. Maybe it isn't good in practice though because all Sparkle teams I've ever seen are single-DPS teams... You could also replace someone with a non-Quantum character and lose only a 15% ATK bonus.
Castorice will probably be quantum remembrance, sparkle have the possibility to be relevant with her, but of course it's more probable that Sunday/Robin will do better, and we don't even know how Tribble will shake the harmony meta
Most likely both sparkle and Sunday will be bst
Yea that some potential team. Her trace of 45% atk can be fulfilled in castorice team and her 50% advance essentially same as 100% if u use slow dps, which castorice will be.
@@invertbrid50% aa is the same as 100% aa if you're slow, only if you don't count castorice summon as unit, sparkle can only advanced the character or the mem sunday will aa both
@@AraYuannn yea Sunday prob will still be better anyway thx to summon advance. But buff amount wise, hanabi actually pretty similar. Plus 50% vs 100% isn't matter much in this case. So she shouldn't lose too much vs Sunday.
But there is potential using both hanabi and Sunday in same team too for castorice.
Things to prevent Castorice from being better with the penacony twins than Sparkle
She isn't an FuA DPS (Robin buffs less useful)
She doesn't use energy to use her ult (Sunday ult less useful)
Fairly SP negative
Doesn't need her summon too much
Can't just use Sunday ult instead for Robin ult since losing SP generation is bad cuz she sp negative
This just me hoping and praying
She was my first unit into the game, took me 160 fucking pull for that shit. And by the time I'm done building her up she's fucking useless. I thought supports are supposed to be generally good, even Sunday, supposedly built for Summon, he can still be use an advance action, damage buffer and energy funneling. The only thing Sparkle has is recovering skill point, The action advance is a fucking joke I don't even think about it.
praying to god Castorice is a busted dps, i NEED my e2s1 sparkle to be relevant again bro theres no way i spent 300 pulls all for it to go down the drain within a few patches
E2 Sparkle is still really damn good. Def ignore/def shred is just a perpetually broken mechanic in the game. It's evident if you run multiple sources of it.
Her S1 is meh. It's a statstick. I'd rather just give her dance dance dance or planetary rendezvous.
Sparkle's real issue is that her kit is all over the place. Her abilities are spread out across support for hypercarry, quantum, and SP-hungry units, and she won't perform at her peak unless she's given a partner that takes full advantage of all three areas. So far, that's a partner that the developers haven't been interested in providing.
The cruel thing is that she theoretically COULD compete with units like Sunday or Robin if she received a DPS custom-tailored to her needs. She does have advantages, minor thought they may be, that other buffers lack and which could theoretically diversify her enough to push her back into meta relevance. Unfortunately, that just isn't how the character release schedule has worked out. While other teams like FUA, Break, Debuff, and now Summon are all eating good or about to be, general hypercarry has been all but abandoned for the last YEAR and Sparkle is left to scrape by as an alternative partner for older units like DHIL, Seele, and Qingque.
Let's get one thing straight: almost every Harmony unit that came after Sparkle was better. Heck, I'd even say HMC is a better unit than Sparkle just because they quite literally enable a whole new archetype
But I don't agree with the notion that somehow Bronya was better at the time of Sparkle's release like some people in the communuty have posted (not necessarily in this vid/comment section)
With the exception of -1 setups (which at the time of Sparkle's release, only Jingliu was the best dps for this setup), Sparkle is just a better Bronya in every way. The main thing that enabled her with a lot of teams is the fact that her buffs last until the start of your ally's next turn (1.99x turns). Any team but DoT (and technically break but that archetype hasn't been cooked yet at the time) can use Sparkle.
The only real change for Bronya that pushed her up the tier list (and ergo Sparkle down the same list) was the invention of Boothill and Feixiao, both of whom prefer more actions over stronger buffs
Also one more point, technically Sparkle hasn't gotten her BiS 2.x dps upgrade yet. You can argue Yunli benefits from Sparkle too but even then she still prefers Robin. DHIL, the current Sparkle BiS teammate, has 860% peak mult on his EBA3 and is an imaginary element. Who's to say Hoyo won't release a quantum dps who boasts a higher peak mult on their main damage dealing ability and is also sp hungry like DHIL?
While it's true that in hindsight maybe I could've skipped Sparkle and her LC and saved 150 or something pulls if I built Hanya instead for my QQ, I also don't mind it very much since it was thanks to pulling her that I was able to barely scrape by on MOC and specially PF with a badly built Clara, and I'll probably use her for my Acheron when I finally decide to build her after I finish farming relics for my FuA team.
If I didn't have her I wouldn't be able to beat this apoc shadow with qingque and since yunli is hardly usable vs her I still don't regret her also she is cool
Shes still rly good, ive been using her since she came out to MOC12 every release. Dont have robin so i use sparkle in my aventurine feixiao topaz team for example. Also used her in my jingyuan hypercarry/jingliu hypercarry teams
RIP my sparkle
Benched almost immediately after she was obtained
Your technique still comes in handy for fooling warp trotters and your character trailer is goated
Regardless of all this, I'm still going to pull her.
People who only care about damage, no matter how clunky & restrictive the set up are, wont see much value out of Sparkle.
0 Cycle showcases have plagued the community & devalues all characters with better quality of life & ease of use, just to slot in Robin.
There are plenty of cool things you can do with Sparkle if we stopped using "0 cycle" as a metric of strength:
1. SP Printer Sparkle
Her only purpose on the team is to spam Basic ATK. No one can beat this much SP generation, not even Sunday nor Gallagher. Surprisingly enough, this playstyle doesn't clash with her vertical investments... almost as if they've planned it ahead of time.
2. Pseudo -1 SPD
Specifically 161 Sunday & 160 Sparkle. This is especially useful for Counter DPS since they can maintain the buff from both supports for their main source of damage. Technically there's an 8 AV of downtime, but this will be fixed soon.
sparkle has potential a lot actually. nobody is as much of a skillpoint generator as her and theyre definitely gonna come back to that type of playstyle
You hit the nail on the head. “Sparkle is bad” is a nonsense opinion spread by dolphin 0 cyclers who will glaze Robin because they don’t have to deal with Robin’s downsides during their run (like most normal people do).
Gosh, thank you. I don't like how people keeps calling her useless since sunday came out 😭😭😭 it's a little too much, since I still use her very often (I have every single limited 5* harmony).
that's some heavy copium right there
@@sutkonos Not as copium as the people who say that Robin is the BiS for every team that isn't break. Those guys are in another universe.
Sparkle is my most favorite character in the whole hoyoverse, she's just so fun as a character. I don't regret pulling her, though she's been on the bench ever since I got my Sunday.
Actually, there is a quantum dps on the way. A very strong one too. But Sparkle ain't seeing the light of day with it.
Why ? because that quantum dps is a remembrance unit, so yet again, all hail Sunday ! xD
We need like a 5* Quantum QQ. Although I doubt if we did get a SP hungry 5* quantum character, a mono quantum team probably wouldnt be that great like less than 5 cycle moc
i still don't regret pulling her. her and sunday help my drago boy Dan Heng uvu;
still as strong as she was but only for e2 acheron
I've been using her in my e2 acheron team, and she's been amazing. I could pull sunday, but i dont have a single unit with a summon, so he doesn't seem worth it. Best off saving, and since HMC is better then fugue for my E2 FF comp i may be saving for castorice and Maydei
Payback from Hanya
Sparkle is a great character by herself, but her companions simply can't use her kit to 100% and her best companions already have better supports or they're no longer relevant
well I don't know but I still use sparkle until now and I don't regret it even though I had robin too because I still can pass MOC and some other end game event. Also my sparkle is only E0S1 hehehe
Am i missing something? Bcs if i had sparkle id NEVER stop using her so how did she truly "fall off"? She and sunday is literally on the same page of giving more damage
Sunday is just better in every way bruh
Sunday and Bronya have more uses
I pulled for her in her rerun without having any team to use her because I love the character, no regrets, but it is sad I wont have a very good oportunity to use her...
I’ll continue using sparkle in all my teams bc she’s my favorite and I love her
The fact that they took sparkle's niche and straight up ctrl c ctrl v'ed it on another character who ALREADY has a niche is so dumb and just shows they don't care about the relevance of old characters.
What happened to Sparkle?
They didn't release a DPS for her.
Imagine needing a dedicated DPS to be good 😂. Just see how Sunday can buff a DPS who not even Rememberance and still better than her😂. Stop the 🧢😂
Stop the 🧢. Sunday is better than sparkle for Dhil even he is not a remembrance 😂.
@syidibuzzbuzz962 Bro I don't know what ghosts your boxing but I'm sure you're winning.
She's mostly a dps for QQ because she can burn more than 3 SP if rng isn't on your side. DHIL isn't for her if he's highly invested with eidolons.
@@usmanya5110 QQ and Seele are the ones who can really maximize her buffing style. Seele really only appreciates the extra skill points. Bronya is still a better fit her due to the gutanteed extra turn. QQ just doesn't have a true dedicated option for the new Meta
She disappeared among the seas of butterflies
i pulled for sparkle and her lc because she's cute, i even fully built her but i havent used her in a single team because i literally do not have a dps thats good with her
I pulled Sparkle e2s1 on her release, no regrets lol. I still use her on my Acheron team. She's e2s1 as well, so she doesn't need 2 Nihility with her, so I give up a spot to Sparkle so that Acheron can get her turns faster for her debuffs to get up faster. I just wish I could use DHIL more, I miss my DHIL. I tried using him in this MOC and he got his butt pwned, I had to switch out to Rappa team instead.
Proud mono quantum user here. my QQ still stonks xd
She's still insanely good at high investment. At E2 she's my favorite support to use with Acheron, who scales very well with loads of CDMG and ATK (boots as well as E1 buff). Her ult/talent DMG buff also scales nicely with JQ E1, giving nearly 100% increase, fully stacking the DPS-side buffs while he provides loads of vulnerability to the enemy. I doubt she will be losing relevance on my acct anytime soon, and if Castorice LC incorporates DEF ignore (would be a smart design choice if you ask me) then her E2 will be given a new level of relevance and she may become, selectively, a top support for a new meta DPS.
Using her with Acheron frees up RM and Robin for their current niche teams as well, which have all received much more focus lately.
This isn't an argument against her place in the F2P meta, but selective investment in supports will always pay off IMO, if you focus on one that you really like. I'm not saying "just pull eidolons" by any means, simply want to share my experience with the character in context of the topic. It was just my choice to choose a team to invest in for longevity, and it looks like we'll be getting a fair bit of AoE lightning centric content in the endgame in the near future, so I'm lacking FOMO over Sunday and Aglaea.
Sparkle mains rise up.
she went to honkai impact and become a world star dps support that buffs fire characters and new AR tag
I pull for her because I like her, got her LC and all and no regret, even though I practically ditched her ever since Sunday came home lol.
unless there is a unit that relies on skill consumption mechanic(like propagation buffs) she gonna stay on a ditch for a long time
i don't regret pulling sparkle, she served her purpose and is still a cool character
just give us a planar that gives her that last 50% action advance she was robbed of something like "+x crit damage, if crit damage gets to x threshold and the wearer is using Skill or Ultimate on one ally target action advance them by 50%"
it not only fixes Sparkles one problem it also indirectly buffs the other harmony units that mostly fell off
....which other harmony character does this help? Literally no one else benefits from this. Bronya already has 100% advance, Yukong skill targets all characters, her ult is an attack, asta ult all characters and her skill is an attack.. so this would only benefit tingyun fully and hanya half because of her ult, but tingyun and hanya don't want to build cdmg so that also doesn't make sense
@@zzzy1934 ngl if they made that without adding in the amount of × CD%. Then robin and ruan mei would get either buffed or be harder to play. Since you'd usually skill on their last turn before the buff expires.
Sparkle on release didn't give as much of an upgrade over Bronya anyways Bronya still buffed better not to mention -1speed was way stronger than 160 speed all she gave was Comfort that people overvalued her lc is useless and her kit really just proves that they slapped Sp positivity and called it a day
Wait a moment, are you using pokemon ost? I mean, at the start of the video
I can't believe i would feel regret pulling her e0s1
Robin is only better than her in low cycle clears. I doubt casuals will be able to manage her energy.
Only casual and skill issues player like you cannot manage Robin 😂. Robin can easily be played with qpq Gallagher and easier to build without worrying about speed and crit damage. Just see how many showcase Robin easily beating sparkle even in hypercarry team. Use you brain and not putting the blame on casual 😂. Even casual player can manage 😂
@syidibuzzbuzz962 firstly, that Gallagher needs to be super fast. And he can't even FULLY manage it on zero cycle clears, if players can't clear first half in one cycle they're beyond cooked, how many percentage of people do you think do 0 cycle clears?
@syidibuzzbuzz962 robin does need to worry about spd too, if your characters can't attack much, she needs like 175 spd to get consistent ult uptime
WHAT?? Bro I literally use sparkle for every team, and with Sunday they make a amazing combo! Plus, I’m bad at managing perice points, I forgot the name
Ooh which teams?
Are there any Sunday/Sparkle teams with any benefit to using Sparkle over Bronya though?
@@kirin1230more comfy with SP especially if your sunday doesn't have his Sig
I'm not a meta-slave, so I'm using as much as I always did..
damm, sparkle is such a bad character that I clear all content in 2.x with mono quantum, an outdated team /s
6 cycle merchant
Nothing happened to Sparkle. The community just overhyped mono quantum way too much, when Sparkle was only really intended to be a DHIL and QQ support
She was supposed to be the SP printer. I think it's fair to be a tad disappointed the summons support does her job better.
@@kirin1230your so called "sp printer" literally give the same amount of sp as ruan mei for 3 turn rotation lmao
@irena4929 Yes that's my point... She's not really that good at her role
imo comparing sparkle buffs to bronya, bronya buff are just better
Sparkle fell to her lowest usage when Rappa released because Rappa outclassed DHIL? Rappa is one of the worst selling, iiirc THE worst selling banner in HSR history. How can Sparkle + DHIL fall lower in usage because of a character no one pulled? Unless the sample size is 100 meta-obsessed people this sounds like fan fiction.
people who have rappa use rappa, therefore high usage rate. you can't use a character you don't have, so if you don't have rappa you shouldn't enter the equation.
Eh I don’t regret pulling her for slow Acheron. Robin doesn’t work in that team since her AA is one time.
Robin does indeed work☠️ i have e0s0 acheron and i can 2 cycle moc 12 with robin and jiaoqiu
Honestly..I never really though she was as good as people said. I only pulled her because she's hot.
at least sparkle is good in hi3
shes gonna get powercreeped in hi3 too, hi3 is literally the origin of powercreep
for like a few months LMAO. sparkle will experience powercreep in 2 games. i feel bad for her
is Fischl still good in hi3 or not anymore?
@@multipatt8710 nope, I am 100% sure she has been powercrept at least twice.
As she's being used right now, she will 100% get powercrept. Right now she's a good DPS and support, but once they start releasing more AR supports for each element, she will fall off. She will always have the quantum niche tho.
The problem with HSR is that they’re releasing too many 5 stars at once and no 4 stars. All of the new characters shown in the trailer for Amphoreus I’m pretty sure were leaked to be 5 stars, and now it’s gotten to a point where 4 FIVE STAR CHARACTERS HAVE TO BE RERUN AT ONCE TO CYCLE THROUGH THEM ITS INSANE
Give us more 4 stars hoyo…
i love using sparkle, but i tend to use non-meta characters anyways. my main team has her and argenti
hopefully Castorice will have some synergy with Sparkle
She gives a huge buff but her 50% movement is holding her back
Idk, I have Sparkle, Robin and Sunday and I still prefer Sparkle in almost every team because she somehow feels easier to play. And also I think -1 speed shenanigans and speed management in general is the worst part of the game, so I'll just leave Sunday for collection purposes and use Sparkle every time I can instead
Is sparkle best in slot support for e2 archeron?
no, it's either sunday or robin
Does Sparkles e2 counts towards "Before The Tutorial Mission Stars" cone effect?
Welcome to HSR where 4-star characters are overshadowed by 5-star characters.
And sometimes even 5-star characters can be overshadowed by newer 5-star characters.
Yeah, it looks a good idea to ask for a re-fund: I spent about 160 pulls to get this Sparkle-fraud that has been benched for ages :(
imagine what the emanator of harmony will look like 💀
looks like harmony doesn't have emanators in lore though
Harmonious Choir or the other Harmonic Strings aren't gonna be playable
Sparkles best character to buff is Robin 7:43
I still use Sparkle for my DHIL team
It’s hilarious, as an account that only plays female DPS, I really never had a place for Sparkle outside of Seele (E0 Acheron), so I always kind of regretted her to an extent, and always thought Bronya was better. It’s crazy to see how explosive and quick her downfall was, but I really never thought she was all that good to begin with because she had no real place on my teams.
Still waiting for the sp negative or the mono quantum meta like literally hsr tricked us with 2.0 I was expecting dot (black swan) and sp negative or/and moni quantum meta (sparkle) but no they took a whole new archetype
Wait what
I run sparkle on every team still 😭
The worst part of Sparkle is that she is very good and not powercrept at all, she can even rival the new top tier supports...but there is just no characters for her to be used for. Hyper carry is dead, there hasn't been a good hyper carry unit released since before 2.0, Acheron is the only one who could hyper carry but you need her E2S1 to do that which is absurdly expensive.
Sparkle doesn't need quantum teammates to work even if she likes them, but there just... isn't a good quantum unit out for her to support anymore. Seele cannot use her kit at all anymore, the enemies just have too much health, QingQue doesn't do enough damage anymore and she's still heavily reliant on RNG for lackluster damage, Silver Wolf has been replaced by Fugue and fell off hard, Lynx is now only a off meta niche character for Clara or Yunli, and FuXuan has been sliding down a slope as enemies have been doing more and more damage which has been outpacing her defense capabilities.
So, the quantum units are bad. Ignoring that side of things, who does she have to work with? Jingliu? DHIL? Those are the two best hypercarries and Jingliu is the only one who can kinda be considered relevant, since we are about to get allot of ice weakness in 3.0. Her damage isn't relevant, but it's nowhere near as bad as DHIL, super expensive for low damage.
Sparkle suffers from being a BiS character specifically designed for an archetype that has been in the bin since before she even released, and has only gotten worse and that seems to not be changing, as 3.0 is not releasing any hypercarries.
If we ever get a hyper carry again, she will jump in usage, but for the moment she just...exists, waiting for the moment to step onto the stage.
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3 patches? IT WAS ONE AND A HALF, Robin's ult arguably powercreeps her entire kit 💀
I mean, Sparkle is still a good unit. I feel like complaining about something leaving meta is counterintuitive. Like, if you're actually aiming for the meta in a game, you gotta go in expecting things to change in the future. Metas shift ALL the time - this isn't just an HSR thing. So the argument just feels like someone spending $300 to go see a concert live, getting home, and then seeing it uploaded onto youtube for free.
"What happend to Sparkle?"
She went to Hi3 👍
Powercreep like this is exactly why i stopped playing hsr
Personally I'm a die hard Sparkle fan, and for me personally she's better than most of the supports *cough cough* Robin and sunday *cough cough* as i use her in a lot more teams than I do say robin or sunday who i'll never use as to me he really never will be worth wasting pulls for, and robin who is very heavy to build and is a pain and then you dont even have enough attack or speed ect for robin I just end up using her ult and it doing nothing where as sparkle I feel like I get something done.
I highly regret pulling for robin and I wish i'd skipped and pulled for other characters, to me robin is worthless as I dont have a FUA team and never will use one due to me having a dislike for feixiao and any follow up attacking team, sure she may be good for other teams, but I don't have any teams she fits into, I have an acheron team, a yunli team that has robin but underperforms massively in even story, and a rappa team without ruan mei that overperforms still.
For me Sparkle will always be my go to before robin.
Holy skill issue
What? Robin is the easiest support to build. She literally just wants attack, not even speed just attack.
I regret pulling sparkle sm
As someone with Sparkle, Sunday, and Robin, I still use Sparkle often. She’s done right oppressive and DDD is pretty good on her.
This is also niche but I’ve found running her with Sunday on a hyper carry to be pretty funny.
Same case here! My favorite team currently is E2S1 DHIL + E0S1 Sparkle + E0S1 Sunday + Luocha/ E0S0 Robin. Sometimes I switch out Sparkle's sig with S5 DDD or another of S1 Sunday's sig cuz I got dupes from a 10-pull, and it's a blast!
I literally stopped using Sparkle the very moment I got Sunday, he powercrept her so bad that she doesn't really have a team in my account. Had I pulled for Dan Heng IL I would run them together, but I didn't, so... 🙃