They both have their ups and downs. In general, if you want instant, brutal power at low gear with great acceleration, get a supercharger. If you want tons of extra boost while accelerating from 50mph, go with a turbo.
I hope you know that turbos are built alot better and there is just about no lag with a good tune superchargers are pretty much a thing of the past cool looking and do work but they only give you low in power and torque soon the nitrous Motors will be ahead of turbos
What have you been smoking ? maybe your thinking about a screw supercharger ive heard that about them. there alway using nightrous to get a 10 1/2 second quarter. but you know nothing when you say roots blowers are a thing of the past. and that turbos beat them up . They might get them in the right powerband for a second but then the car shifts and it aint got shit and the roots blower intercepts . mind you i have a little 144 against the biggest and baddest turbos and have not lost yet ! I imagine theres a few out there that would beat my little blown 350 . But theres plenty of big blowers on bigblocks pulling 3 minute quarter miles just waiting LOL.
some other differences include: The turbo being capable of producing a much larger ammount of boost than superchargers in comparison to size and efficiency. Boost can be much easily adjusted with turbos than superchargers and can even be adjusted within the vehicle cab while driving providing you have an in cab boost controller, whereas with a supercharger you cant adjust the boost without changing the drive pulley to a bigger/smaller one. (correct me if i'm wrong) also lagg issues can easily be resolved, i found that turbo lagg is only a real problem with automatic transmissions whereas with a manual you can launch on boost and the bigger the engine the less lagg you get with turbocharging v8's there is little or even no lagg due to the high ammounts of exhaust driving the turbo/turbos. (No need for correction, Spoken from personal experience) Thanks for sharing this great educational video, i'm sure it's helped alot of people.
analanalyst thats 100% correct depending on the tune, turbocharged engines can also be made to respond instantly and also for low, mid and top end torque while being efficient. turbos on v8s are becoming extremely common because of this.
funkierfawn budgie If it's an all out boost war you want, you would be better with only the turbo. The supercharger would only slow down the potential flow. (If your turbo(s) are properly sized the lag issues are also no issue.) In the end it comes down to what you hope to accomplish. Sounds like you want a ton of "flow", so turbo is the way to go!
Awesome vid explaining the differences to those who don't understand or still had questions about the different styles and types of chargers. Wish I could post a pic of my set up but I have the Vortech V3 centrifugal SC on my 2011 Sierra 4x4 and absolutely love it. With just the blower, long tube headers and of course custom tune, got her from a stock 220 rwhp to 400 rwhp. Most likely will put a SC on all future vehicles.
Thanks for watching Kody Dupre! Have you tried sharing a picture with our Summit Racing facebook page? facebook.com/SummitRacingEquipment Or our Summit Racing Trucks facebook page? facebook.com/SummitRacingTrucks
I've noticed from these comments a lot of people don't understand this at all. Turbo's are better for track and four and six cylinders. Superchargers are better for drag and eight cylinders and higher. To turbo/ supercharge a car with high psi and high power, YOU WILL NEED FORGED INTERNALS. This will cost a good 1000 dollars or more. If youb opt to buy one anyway without doing this and run high power. Your engine won't last nearly as long and could blow up while driving. A blown engine means you will have to replace your engine. Also go with smaller upgrades like exhaust, intake, clutch kit, short throw, better carb if you need one, and chip upgrades if you will spend more than what the car is worth. If you have a 3000 dollar car don't buy a turbo kit. Also cars that are fwd are risky adding this much power. If you add to much hp to fwd you will get torque steer which sucks ass. Last and final point, don't buy ebay turbo kits!!!!! They are trash and don't add good hp.You are not getting a good deal, you are just getting a shitty turbo. A good turbo or supercharger will be a few thousand dollars or more. Ebay turbos will blow apart. They are all made in china more or less. ITS YOUR CHOICE THOUGH BUT BE WISE ABOUT INVESTMENTS LIKE THIS
OnTheEdge OfGravity just want to say that superchargers can be quite good for track when there are lots of twists and turns due to faster power recovery compared to turbos
Thanks for the info! I have a 2013 Honda civic SI, and I would like to get a turbo kit. Which one would you recommend?? And what parts you recommend me to change to get the max power out of my k24? Thanks in advance!
What if I buy an Ebay turbo kit and then rebuild it with a kit made for a quality turbo? Wouldn't that be the best of Both Worlds? The internals is all that really matters right?
The turbo lag can be avoided by just putting a smaller turbo. As far as turbo lag, turbo are so advance now in days that if you make the good combo there should be little or no lag to the turbo...
my roots 144 is about 15 years old and ive raced new deisel turbos even a new spooled turbo that was on a camaro with a 502 and my little 350 with 144 supercharged in a 6000 pound 76 chevy blazer prevailed it had power but it shifted and i blew by, low rpm is not the turbos freind even with a stall converter.
tomjw7 It was a diy turbo'ed 85' mustang and the boost was set at 3500 rpm so when you would downshift the boost would kick in and the back would (theoretically) kick out bc power from the turbo. We were trying to build a drift car and we couldn't figure out why the turbo was holding out.
tomjw7 yeah our custom intake manifold didn't seal so we were losing power initially when the turbo would start spinning. That also explained the low pressure reading on the dash.
What are your thought's on the twin (spools) screw's of the Edelbrock E-Force S.C's? I'm thinking of putting one on a T/A "392" automatic. Edelbrock states that the 6.4L Hemi has a strong enough bottom end piston's & rod's?
So I'm building my ranger into a desert racing truck. I've heard that both shouldn't be used beCause debris can come up and possibly break the pieces. Also the heat from them. But I'm still leaning towards buying a supercharger for my truck. Any input on if I'm dead wrong or somewhat right? School me on this. Thanks and appreciate all these videos you guys make. Very helpful
Gabriel Alejandro, Either option will have its share of compromises and fabrication in order to make them work out for you. Turbos have a lot more plumbing (piping) to do and roots style chargers have potential hood clearance issues. The choice is up to you provided you are willing to do the work. Just keep in mind that in a sandy dirty environment that top notch air filtration is extremely important to make either of these chargers live.
+Tyler Madison, While a belt driven supercharger will ad some additional stress to the nose of the crank, both types of pressurizing the intake manifold (Turbo/Supercharger) will increase stresses on things like pistons, rings and connecting rods and bearings.
Turbos heat the intake air more(risking detonation more)... Turbo manifolds are restrictive, especially when compared to headers which can be used with Superchargers... The strain Superchargers put on the crank can be countered with lighter cranks\flywheels etc - the centrifugal ones anyway... Superchargers are the BEST...
Turbo manifolds are not to restrictive stock truck manifolds can make a 1000rwhp , and you can use headers on turbos by using front facing headers or rear mount turbos and a trubo blanket with heat wrap will keep your intake temps down along with methanol and per lb of boost turbos are the more efficient than a supercharger also a proper turbo set can put more tourqe down than your avg supercharger with little to no lag amd still be slightly less abusive than a supercharger.
I think a key advantage to a properly setup Turbo build is that you can also have an electronic boost controller and thus be able to have different settings for the street and strip. With a super charger you often have to either upgrade super chargers or change the pulley. I have seen some "variable boost" super chargers but they do not seem to have caught on much. Also a turbo will often get as good of gas mileage as being N/A Anyway I liked learning about the different super chargers, it would have been interesting to see the internal difference between a screw and roots style blower.
Turbos get much better mileage, they have a much higher boost capability, they're infinitely adjustable, and for a street car you can drive all day and never have to use boost, rather stay in vacuum, for cases of slick raining roads, etc.
thats what they were designed for economy and the turbo doesnt even come on unless the engines under load thats why in rally racing they powerblock the car to keep the load but it causes a lots of people to brake and gas at the same time the car starts hopping over and understeering till they find themselves in a realy bad wreck.
do you guys ever make videos on screw blown hemi's vs "let's say" a twin turbo proline I dunno I know the difference and why there faster than on another but alot people have been questioning why all these screw blowers promod are coming into no prep racing and walking all over everyone I really feel if you guys went into detail on how a screw blown hemi worked and what kind of performance they produce compared to small block twin turbos or big block nitrous like Steve Wiley of Texas grim reaper went to okc to Armageddon and the fastest cars couldn't touch them and do the screw blowers really create down force on the car as they go
Thank you, Laurence Oliver ii! We have a few videos on camshafts, both mild and aggressive. Here are the links to the videos: Camshaft Specifications | Summit Racing Quick Flicks - Camshaft Specifications Race Camshaft, Street Cam, RV Camshaft: What is the Difference - Summit Racing Quick Flicks - Race Camshaft, Street Cam, RV Camshaft: What is the Difference
I have a 06 police 3.5l charger, nothing done other than the tune, suspension from the department. The modifications I done are a K@N drop in filter and a custom after market exhaust. what in your opinion would be a good choice. A super charger (of so, which type) or a turbo charger.
+Anonymous, A Centrifugal type of supercharger (Paxton, Vortech, Procharger) is much easier kit to install most times than a Turbocharger kit and generally lower cost! Don’t forget the computer tuning, you’re going to need it!
hi I have a 4th generation z28 with 115k miles. I plan on a tune up and headers and new exhaust first before I get a turbo or super charger I wanted to know which would be better? I think they both sound nice but rather go with what would be best
Personally, I would go with a super charger because that suits my driving style the best. I'm a full throttle, pedal to the medal kind of guy, so I want and crave that instant power. I won't say that one way is better than the other because there is no one right way. In the end it all depends on car and driver and mainly what the driver wants the car to do.
Summit Racing! I hope you can help me out. I have a Bonneville SSEi. Its already quick enough stock but I would love to get more power. What would be the best modifications to gain the most power, and safely upgrade without any possible damage? Also I would love to get my supercharger to whine a lot louder!
Hi gjg50, We carry Cold Air Kits, Pulley’s for the supercharger and tuning (HP Tuners) for the ECM. Give us a call and we can help you with the part numbers you’ll need! 1-330-630-0240. We look forward to your call. Thanks for watching!
Hi Minton Jeff, Unfortunately Summit Racing does not offer a kit that would Turbocharge or Supercharge your car. A kit is definitely the way to go though; because it includes everything necessary to make the installation complete and as easy as possible. Usually these kits will also offer the mandatory re-tuning of the computer that must be done! Thanks for watching.
I have a 2010 camaro I am looking at the turbonetics ls3 kit, or the SLP twin screw supercharger, my elevation is around 5000 ft above sea level, I don't know if that matters and I don't won't to modify my engine can you help me decide.
Summit! I need your input! I have gone completely stupid and want to build an 08 mustang GT with a twist. I want to power it with a 5.4 Triton 3v! I know it's been done and it's a challenge but, I live the 5.4 3v. it's a good solid engine and can make lots of power. I'm wanting to build it to be a nice car to show off and take down a strip every once and awhile. im definitely looking in the 800+ hp range and am wanting your opinion on a supercharger or a twin turbo. I'd love to pick your brains!!! please gimme some feedback! p.s I know I'll have to build the low end to take the boost. I'm not a newb, I'm just stepping out of my box to challenge myself with this build.
How would a turbocharger affect an air-cooled engine? I have an older volkswagen that uses an air cooled engine, and I'm interested in putting more power into it. Would the engine still be able to properly cool itself with the increased power? I have also heard that turbochargers are better for fuel efficiency as they don't waste fuel at lower speeds. Is this true? I don't want to have a terribly fuel inefficient vehicle, but would not mind sacrificing efficiency to increase the top end if that makes any sense. These may sound like dumb questions but I am uniformed. Advice on the matter would be greatly appreciated.
Roasted Goldfish , Air cooled motors can benefit from a low boost charger system. Anything high boost, high volume of air would indeed comprise its cooling ability. As for fuel efficiency, that’s a matter of the type of fuel delivery system and the weight of your right foot! :)
I currently own a 2009 370Z that is bone stock with 83K miles and am looking at having a centrifugal supercharger installed. I've done some research and am still learning quite a bit about forced induction for my car in particular. My question is, would it be a good idea to add a supercharger (or any kind of forced induction for that matter) to a vehicle with that kind of mileage? Thanks in advance.
Marco Deuce, Generally speaking, in most cases a stock motor with good maintenance history will be fine with a power adder at low boost levels such as 5-6 psi. It will have a considerable difference in power as well at that boost pressure. Anything higher than that really starts to add stresses the motors were never really designed to withstand and should be modified accordingly!
just about to start a 400 small block build- what compression can I run if im looking at building this to run a small twin screw whipple charger???not a blower...
Hi Gary McCarty, This absolutely depends on the overall build you want to assemble and what the ultimate use/goal is. Please give us a call and we will certainly help you choose the proper parts for the best build! 1-330-630-0240. Thanks for watching!
Two things: I know that you can have multiple turbochargers on a car, and even a combination of a turbocharger and a supercharger (twincharger). But what about multiple superchargers? Also, what is the difference between a traditional turbocharger and a variable geometry turbocharger? Thanks.
Hi Jarek, Yes, you can have/use multiple superchargers. It just adds cost and complexity to the drive belt system. A Variable Geometry Turbocharger (VGT) has computer controlled vanes built into the exhaust (hot) side of the Turbo. Varying or adjusting the position of these vanes allows quicker spool ups and also engine breaking in diesel applications. There is lots of info online about these or give us a call, we’ll help you where we can. 1-330-630-0240. Thanks for watching!
Hello Summit, thanks for the information. I am think about getting a kit for my car. I am in California and I was wondering if using one of these kit I will still be able to pass the Smog Test. Thank You.
Hey can you please advise me, I have a 327 chev freshly rebuilt standard in my jet boat. Looking for options for a more power across the range but esp at the hole shot. Not looking at anything big or flashy. I guess a supercharger but what type and where to start looking. From New Zealand and any help greatly appreciated- thanks
Is it true that turbochargers have the tendancy to wear out stock engines? If so, what needs to be done to the engine to allow it to function properly with the addition of a turbocharger?
Sculpture Junkie, Any part that is improperly installed or misused can be detrimental to your motor, give us a call and we can walk you through the process.
I've been thinking about adding forced induction on my truck but I don't know which one or if it's possible. I have a 2004 dodge ram 1500 4.7 liter. any suggestions?
So i want to force feed a 350z. I currently live in arizona where it is crazy hot. I prefer a turbo set up over a supercharger but feel like it won't be efficient during the peek season of the intense heat. I mainly just want to make it faster whether I'm going in a straight line or side ways (mostly side ways) any input?
Joseph Gruber, A great suggestion for this type of environment would be to use a water to air type of intercooler. This type of system has a reservoir that you could add ice too and really bring your inlet temperatures way down!
I'm going to be buying a 1998 Ram SST soon and I would like it to be well into the 400s or possibly 500 in terms of horsepower (stock is just under 250). Which would be better for me?
I'm still new to superchargers and turbochargers. I think I want a centrifugal supercharger because it's easier to install for a beginner and smaller too. But I don't really understand the concept of parasitic loss from the horsepower? If for example I have a mazda with 2.5L 184hp, how much hp is lossed because of the parasitic loss? And if it's a centrifugal charger, will it increase by boost after a certain rpm like 3,500? Before it reaches that amount, will my car run slower until it hits that rpm?
+Jeric Tamayo (Momentum33) The centrifugal is the best option - you are on the right track(keep going)... The loss is due to added strain put on the crank in order to turn the charger... Modern SCs induce less strain - PLUS - you can reduce rotating mass elsewhere in the drive train to compensate for loss, with lightened flywheels, internals, pulleys etc... I can talk more - let me know if you want more points(& use an intercooler - I would, if I could afford it)... =]
+Jeric Tamayo (Momentum33) Oh I forgot - boost with the C-SC is like 2PSI at 2000RPM - for example - & increases to max advertised(less piping & intercooler loss)at max RPM... I once saw a listing for a SC for a Honda Fit with similar data - if I can find it I'll put in the link...
So I have a 2010 Civic SI, I'm looking at buying one of these 2 but not sure which would be best. SI's have VTEC so I already have SOME high rmp power but what would you recommend? Also this is an after thought but I much prefer the sound of a turbo and blow off valves.
+Ian Breckenridge, Ultimately both achieve the same thing, pressurizing the intake manifold thus boosting performance. It really comes down to cost, installation difficulty (if you are installing) and is it available in a kit so you make sure all required pieces are included!
I have a '97 5.0 block and am having trouble finding a supercharger for that year, Also for more of a street build would you recommend a supercharger or a turbo for a moderate power increase and would I run into any problems with a stock engine?
Hi Jesse Lockhart, We need some additional information from you. Can you give our tech line a call? 1-330-630-0240. We look forward to your call. Thanks for watching!
Karlo Sazon , Any of the supercharger kits that we carry for your car either from Vortech, Ford Racing, Steeda etc. will work on a daily driven car. You will just need to decide which one fits your wallet. :)
I have a 99 grand Marquis LS and I want to put a supercharger on it but I don't know where to find one that would work for it and how much I can build up the motor and still be OK to put a supercharger on it
Hi Daniel, Can you give our tech department a call? 1-330-630-0240. We need some additional information from you. We look forward to your call. Thanks for watching!
seems like a turbo would be a little easier and less expensive to add on? still new to car tech but also looks like less materials as well, im sure they can go both ways price wise but just the basics what would that equal out to compared to each other?
jonathan vazquez I'd put a turbo to be honest it's truly hard to say but for a monster boost even with a little lag and no horsepower loss it'd be a better choice in my opinion.
Hey Summit, I have a 1999 Honda Civic coupe. I'm stuck be tween forced induction and natural aspiration. I thought about putting a Jackson Supercharger in it. What are your thoughts about it (Or anyone's thoughts)?
i have a 2001 aurora v8. The car is already pretty good but it could be better do you have any idea on what i can do to add some power (the most i can) and some cautions too?
+Emanuel Cazarez, That car is now 15 years old and not exactly high on the popularity list for aftermarket vendors making parts. It will come down to part availability, and potentially fabrication for this car.
I'm currently saving extra money to purchase a turbocharger for my 2012 Scion TC. However, I find it rather difficult to come across a type of turbocharger that is suitable for my car because i'm not an engine specialist by any means. Any way I could find one that would be good for my car?
And would you recommend getting a more powerful engine for for speed and hp because I'm willing to do that aswell and if so what type of engine aswell as the turbo or supercharger
hi i have a stock 1997 chevy silverado would it a good choice to turbo charge it or would it be better if i do a supercharger im looking for something that can be daily driven but can also get down on the track?
Hi Alejandro, Either one fits that bill. Both are OE installed on a multitude of application over the years proving their reliability. What it really comes down to is this, are you a fabricator and installing yourself or are you looking for a kit? A kit you say, well then, availability and affordability need to be answered as well.
To those who are still confused, the turbocharger shoves air into the combustion chamber giving you more bang which means you'll have high acceleration but eventually looses some of its power in high speeds and gears. The supercharger is attached to your engine belt, what does that mean you ask? It means your engine will scream at higher RPMs, you'll have more horsepower and a higher top speed, since your engine is spinning round and round even faster you won't start gaining speed slower. It depends on the situation, if it's a drag race, use the turbo... or NOS. If it's a track I recommend the supercharger
+rynousa yeah thats what i was reading earlier a turbo does better at higher rpm thats why it has a lag and the superlcharger usually doesnt give you as much power as the turbo but its better at lower rpm and it builds from there.
+Densel Moore lets get something straight here, a turbo doesn't necessarily mean high rpm. Also a difference between them is turbo is more effecient. Supercharger for drag, turbo for track, not the other way
my little 144 never stops pushing not even past 10000 rpm you guys read to much advertizing propaganda that what they said about the new screw blowers . but you heard the summit guy say they got no top end. turbos have a tough powerband but then they shift and thats where the real lag is . even the spoolers .
In your opinion what should I do?? I have a 2004 350z enthusiast with a cold air Intake in, should I get a twin turbo or supercharger? Im not to sure what would add more HP and what HP I would have at the end
Travis Pastrana, We carry the complete Vortech supercharger kit for your car. It will boost your horsepower to in excess of 400. The kit can be viewed here: www.summitracing.com/parts/VOR-4NZ218-018L/?feedback=1
What size turbo would recommend for 17.5hp briggs and stratton lawn mower? Or should or i go supercharged? Trying to see a gain of a lot of horsepower. Please help.
If you have two of the same cars, same weight, same areodynamics, same engine, completely identical other than the fact that one is turbo and one is super, would one necessarily be faster than the other ?
Turbo is usually bigger in rally, or circuit racing. Superchargers are more used in drag racing cause they are made for high RMPs. In drag racing you are continuously shifting up, and that's why it can be more useful exspecially the last gear when it's a continuous pull in the higher RMPs. in a circuit you spend more time down shifting and having to pick speed up again so you use a turbo to get you there faster. A super charger would probably make you spin out in a circuit so over all most people use superchargers for Drag racing unless they have a 4 cylinder where it would be more difficult to place a super charger in the smaller hood space. either way though with a turbo or a super charger you will see a lot more performance out of your car, and you'll have a hell of a lot of fun.
uhhhhh Rapture Films, I'm pretty sure turbos are the ones built for higher RPM runs. They probide more boost at higher RPMs. It was explained in the video. Superchargers provide instant boost. Turbos have turbolag where superchargers don't. In most cases turbos provide a lot more power especially in drag racing where people will run upwards of 1000hp.
yes my apologies I mixed it up. That's why people don't like superchargers for circuit. If you down shift they get squarely. I wrote that early in the morning I was a out of it.
I was thinking of supercharging or turbocharging my 1990 5.0 foxbody mustang but i dont know which one i should do help its a daily driver but i also want a good amount of power to race.
Austin Rogers, There are lots of options available to you on this car. Please give us a call and we can help you determine which is best. 1-330-630-0240
Hi Emanuel Castillo, Sorry but, we do not have a kit to Turbocharge your 4.3 Vortec motor. Now, if you wanted to build your own kit we could help with components. This will not be an easy job as there will be a lot of fabrication on your part. Yes, injectors will need to be replaced. You will also need access to someone that can reprogram your computer as well.
Do you watch Roadkill? If you have the necessary fabrication experience you can do just about anything. This has been done to Roadkill's Datsun 240z. They had a GM 4.3 engine in the car with a Subaru WRX rear end, a manual transmission from a junkyard S-10, and a turbo from a Ford Powerstroke diesel. Check it out. It may give you some ideas.
So I play this game, it's called Forza Horizon 3, basically a arcade racing game, where you can tune cars and stuff. And now I want to make the best drag car possible. What would than be a better option a turbo of a supercharger?
i own a crv with a k series engine. I think its the k24,, but would a t3 kit do me well? I was also trying to see which intake fits best for this car too. btw the video was really informative c:
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What would be best for a 2006 v6 pony package mustang. (Wanted to go for a v8 but found a v6 with only 22,000 miles really cheap). I don't want to dump too much money into my car but Definitely want to improve my cars performance
Hi Terranova, We carry anything from cold air intakes and programmers to full exhaust and supercharger kits for that car. Give us a call and we can help you pick what’s best for your budget! 1-800-230-3030
Induction by itself won't reduce the life of your engine especially not if it's designed or modified to handle higher (average) internal operating pressures/temps. What will reduce its longevity is usage of induction while racing the engine at high RPMs. Drive normally for the vast majority of the time and you should see nearly identical engine life spans.
Hey I have a 2006 550i BMW and I'm looking to built this car. Currently it's completely stock with a 4.8l NA engine with around 130kmiles Is there any suggestions you guys can advise me on? Such as a supercharger/turbo or any other modifications? Thanks
Hey guys at Summit. I just bought my first vehicle. 1986 El Camino SS. It has around 180 hp. It has a 305 V8 with a 700r4 automatic transmission. I never really get her over 3500 and it revs out 6000. I would like to get some lower range say from idle at 650 to 3500 rpms. What do you guys think I should get. Thanks
Just my 2 cents: I hate to say it but probably the best thing you can do for power, especially if you're going to keep and modify the car long term, is to find yourself a mild 350 and get rid of that 305. If you really want to keep the 305 and want to supercharge it make sure the engine is in good condition (compression test, etc). You don't want to add any type of supercharger to an oil burner, an engine that knocks or has other problems. The cheapest, simplest option for boost is probably a Weiand 144 Pro Street Supercharger (Summit Part number WND-7740-1). You may need to cut a small hole in the hood and get a small hood scoop to accommodate it but these little "mini-blowers" produce great low rpm power and bolt on pretty much like an intake manifold. I have the next size up, the Weiand 177 on my 380ci in my Camaro for two years now with no problems. Took a bit of tuning (air/fuel and timing) though.
Hi Joe Zongora, It was typical of those cars to come equipped with a highway gear ratio from the factory. A great first start in your build would be to consider a gear ratio change to a 3.42 or 3.73 depending on any future modifications. Feel free to give us a call on the tech hotline and talk to one of our reps. They will be happy to assist you with your build and part numbers.
Hey I am planning on running a turbo charger in my 65 ford falcon that is equipped with the 200 L6. I have been doing tons of research and have found nobody that has done a turbo build on that kind of motor. I have received a turbo off a mitsubishi Evo VIII it is the 60mm 16G turbo, and this is the turbo I will plan on putting on the car. I plan on building my own headers out of t304 stainless steel, Im going to run a 3 in exhaust with glasspack, 2 barrel carburetor, and DUI distributor. what would be the horsepower gain in this running on 10psi compared to if I were to just have split headers, 2.5 in dual exhaust, and all the other options as posted before minus the turbo?
Hi Trevor Reed, We would love to help! Can you give our tech department a call at 1-330-630-0240? This may take further discussion. We look forward to your call. Thank you for watching!
the 2 barrel is going to have trouble keeping up in the higher rpms, A friend of mine did something similar with the dodge 225 slant six. We had to build a custom header and intake ourselves to adapt a four barrel to meet the fuel consumption needs in higher rpms where we noticed the engine leaning out. The dodge slant six engine was ideal for a turbo with its open engine bay and having both intake and exhaust on the same side "besides the chokes on these engines which are a pain in the ass" makes for a clean look and short inlet tubes. I dont know the power figures on his car "1972 dodge dart" as we have never put it on the dyno but i can say it is a torque monster! And the definition of a sleeper. Hope your build goes well, take your time and make sure everything is prefect and you will have a gem of an engine. The 65 ford falcon is a gorgeous car, and all hail straight six engines.
The best form of turbo vs supercharger that i can think of is on the early airplane . the old prop planes could only go 1500 feet off ground the turbo pushed them up to 3000 feet. a small 142 gmc blower drove them up to 50000 feet.. its a air pump cfm and density competition and as you can see supercharger doesnt just win. It crushes the competition!
Hot80s , Well, the underlying concern when trying to make big power with high ambient temperatures is detonation. Detonation can be controlled a number of ways dependent upon the application. Intercooling, retarding ignition timing, water/meth injection & cooling system efficiency upgrades are just a few to consider.
Hi I have a question I currently own a 2014 dodge challenger sxt 3.6l I'm wondering if it is possible to make it supercharged or turbocharged. And what will be better?...ty in advance
d'knight, Due to the fact that a turbo adds no parasitic draw to your motor to make power, instead it uses exhaust gases (waste) to spin the compressor wheel, they would be the better way to go. But, most times a turbo is more labor intensive to install due to an exhaust system re-work and all the added tubing to route beneath the hood. We unfortunately do not have either kit for your car but, these kits will be very vehicle specific and shouldn’t be hard to find if available!
I wanted to make a correction on the video just so people aren't misinformed. Turbochargers do take away power from the engine. Energy is required to spin the propellers and energy cannot be created nor destroyed. The pistons have to push the exhaust gas more in order to spin the turbocharger's propeller. Although it is less than superchargers, turbos also have parasitic loss. I hope in a future video you can make this correction so this doesn't spread through the car communities.
It's slighter harder for the engine to complete the exhaust stroke, however most of the energy comes from the blow down energy of the heated exhaust gases leaving which is typically 'wasted into the environment' without a turbo. Personally I still think superchargers are better because of instant response and more induction at lower rpm but it's all application dependent. For my application I want to accelerate from a stop in a straight line as quickly as possible.
Im looking for a bolt on supercharger for my 2004 Dakota 4.7L v8 do you guys have one in stock and what else will I need to buy from you to make this work. thanks
its a light and a well built car which can be done a lot to. there is a reason why there is a lot of after market stuff for the brz/frs/86. turbo or supercharge...it'll be a great car to be in.
+Victor Reyes , Unfortunately we do not have either for that car as of yet. Give it a little time though, as popular as that car is we’ll have something soon!
Hi Micheal Vargas, A supercharger kit would certainly be easier to install while gaining the same power. Take a look at this Edelbrock kit that includes the intercooler and computer programmer! www.summitracing.com/parts/edl-1534/overview/year/2013/make/dodge/model/challenger
You forgot to mention ,
TURBO GOES SHHHHUTUTUTUTUUUU
CHARGER GOES MWEEEEEEEEEEEEE
:3
haha yes! supercharger sounds funny
and centrifugals do both. ayyy
hhhhhhh like WEEEEEEEEEE
hahahahahah made my day lolol
They both have their ups and downs. In general, if you want instant, brutal power at low gear with great acceleration, get a supercharger. If you want tons of extra boost while accelerating from 50mph, go with a turbo.
zach m you sure, i think a turbo would also increase acceleration at low speed, sice it depends on the rpm
Kasam it does, but most dont spool up till around 2.5 or 3k rpm. blowers are always making boost
I hope you know that turbos are built alot better and there is just about no lag with a good tune superchargers are pretty much a thing of the past cool looking and do work but they only give you low in power and torque soon the nitrous Motors will be ahead of turbos
What have you been smoking ?
maybe your thinking about a screw supercharger ive heard that about them.
there alway using nightrous to get a 10 1/2 second quarter.
but you know nothing when you say roots blowers are a thing of the past.
and that turbos beat them up .
They might get them in the right powerband for a second but then the car shifts and it aint got shit and the roots blower intercepts .
mind you i have a little 144 against the biggest and baddest turbos
and have not lost yet !
I imagine theres a few out there that would beat my little blown 350 .
But theres plenty of big blowers on bigblocks pulling 3 minute quarter miles just waiting LOL.
seconds exuse me
some other differences include: The turbo being capable of producing a much larger ammount of boost than superchargers in comparison to size and efficiency.
Boost can be much easily adjusted with turbos than superchargers and can even be adjusted within the vehicle cab while driving providing you have an in cab boost controller, whereas with a supercharger you cant adjust the boost without changing the drive pulley to a bigger/smaller one. (correct me if i'm wrong)
also lagg issues can easily be resolved, i found that turbo lagg is only a real problem with automatic transmissions whereas with a manual you can launch on boost and the bigger the engine the less lagg you get with turbocharging v8's there is little or even no lagg due to the high ammounts of exhaust driving the turbo/turbos. (No need for correction, Spoken from personal experience)
Thanks for sharing this great educational video, i'm sure it's helped alot of people.
Hi Blaize K-H ,
Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge!
superchargers give you better low end torque and better throttle response. its worth it over turbos
analanalyst thats 100% correct
depending on the tune, turbocharged engines can also be made to respond instantly and also for low, mid and top end torque while being efficient.
turbos on v8s are becoming extremely common because of this.
Blaize K-H like the new mercedes amg's and bmw m's have definetly solved this problem. i still think a supercharger is the way to go though
analanalyst superchargers are not made for really high speeds but good at low RPM/s i think but not sure though
What if you install both in your car?
that is called a twin charger and you'd have one fast fucking car
funkierfawn budgie
If it's an all out boost war you want, you would be better with only the turbo. The supercharger would only slow down the potential flow. (If your turbo(s) are properly sized the lag issues are also no issue.) In the end it comes down to what you hope to accomplish. Sounds like you want a ton of "flow", so turbo is the way to go!
funkierfawn budgie you could blow the engine and if you don't keep up with oil then a piston or two could shoot out of your engine
funkierfawn budgie that would be awesome! both supercharger and turbocharger!
funkierfawn budgie I think the Zenvo st1 already does
Awesome vid explaining the differences to those who don't understand or still had questions about the different styles and types of chargers. Wish I could post a pic of my set up but I have the Vortech V3 centrifugal SC on my 2011 Sierra 4x4 and absolutely love it. With just the blower, long tube headers and of course custom tune, got her from a stock 220 rwhp to 400 rwhp. Most likely will put a SC on all future vehicles.
Thanks for watching Kody Dupre!
Have you tried sharing a picture with our Summit Racing facebook page? facebook.com/SummitRacingEquipment
Or our Summit Racing Trucks facebook page? facebook.com/SummitRacingTrucks
It seems like the turbo was an after thought in this video.
True
its summit speaking... cmon now they are all about muscle/show cars
I've noticed from these comments a lot of people don't understand this at all. Turbo's are better for track and four and six cylinders. Superchargers are better for drag and eight cylinders and higher. To turbo/ supercharge a car with high psi and high power, YOU WILL NEED FORGED INTERNALS. This will cost a good 1000 dollars or more. If youb opt to buy one anyway without doing this and run high power. Your engine won't last nearly as long and could blow up while driving. A blown engine means you will have to replace your engine. Also go with smaller upgrades like exhaust, intake, clutch kit, short throw, better carb if you need one, and chip upgrades if you will spend more than what the car is worth. If you have a 3000 dollar car don't buy a turbo kit. Also cars that are fwd are risky adding this much power. If you add to much hp to fwd you will get torque steer which sucks ass. Last and final point, don't buy ebay turbo kits!!!!! They are trash and don't add good hp.You are not getting a good deal, you are just getting a shitty turbo. A good turbo or supercharger will be a few thousand dollars or more. Ebay turbos will blow apart. They are all made in china more or less. ITS YOUR CHOICE THOUGH BUT BE WISE ABOUT INVESTMENTS LIKE THIS
OnTheEdge OfGravity just want to say that superchargers can be quite good for track when there are lots of twists and turns due to faster power recovery compared to turbos
Thanks for the info! I have a 2013 Honda civic SI, and I would like to get a turbo kit. Which one would you recommend?? And what parts you recommend me to change to get the max power out of my k24? Thanks in advance!
Your Right. There is a lot more involved than just bolting a turbo or supercharger on a vehicle
Yeah average dim wit will twin turbo on a stock everything, blow parts and complain, everyday.
What if I buy an Ebay turbo kit and then rebuild it with a kit made for a quality turbo? Wouldn't that be the best of Both Worlds? The internals is all that really matters right?
The turbo lag can be avoided by just putting a smaller turbo. As far as turbo lag, turbo are so advance now in days that if you make the good combo there should be little or no lag to the turbo...
+melendezcobra45 indeed
my roots 144 is about 15 years old and ive raced new deisel turbos even a new spooled turbo that was on a camaro with a 502 and my little 350 with 144 supercharged in a 6000 pound 76 chevy blazer
prevailed it had power but it shifted and i blew by,
low rpm is not the turbos freind even with a stall converter.
melendezcobra45 what is turbo lag?
time difference between throttle push and actual acceleration. Lag frustration alone is worth assessing your options...I hate it
Hi I wanted to know if you let your car sit for about 4 days is that bad on the turbo. Will the oil lines still be fed oil properly to run par ??
The thing about turbos that annoy me is the lag. I'm in a turn with no boost and then BOOST!! and my back end starts coming out.
Brwnleaves have u driven a turbo car or are u just using this example cause you have heard someone say this before
tomjw7 It was a diy turbo'ed 85' mustang and the boost was set at 3500 rpm so when you would downshift the boost would kick in and the back would (theoretically) kick out bc power from the turbo. We were trying to build a drift car and we couldn't figure out why the turbo was holding out.
did u ever figure it out
tomjw7 yeah our custom intake manifold didn't seal so we were losing power initially when the turbo would start spinning. That also explained the low pressure reading on the dash.
[StoneBato] kudos on drifting a foxbody
What are your thought's on the twin (spools) screw's of the Edelbrock E-Force S.C's? I'm thinking of putting one on a T/A "392" automatic. Edelbrock states that the 6.4L Hemi has a strong enough bottom end piston's & rod's?
So I'm building my ranger into a desert racing truck. I've heard that both shouldn't be used beCause debris can come up and possibly break the pieces. Also the heat from them. But I'm still leaning towards buying a supercharger for my truck. Any input on if I'm dead wrong or somewhat right? School me on this. Thanks and appreciate all these videos you guys make. Very helpful
Gabriel Alejandro,
Either option will have its share of compromises and fabrication in order to make them work out for you. Turbos have a lot more plumbing (piping) to do and roots style chargers have potential hood clearance issues. The choice is up to you provided you are willing to do the work. Just keep in mind that in a sandy dirty environment that top notch air filtration is extremely important to make either of these chargers live.
I have a 2011 GMC Sierra stock can I put a turbo with all the stock components or a supercharger? Or what should I upgrade with either?
What has more wear on the Motor?
I am assuming the supercharger due to using motor power and not exhaust.
+Tyler Madison,
While a belt driven supercharger will ad some additional stress to the nose of the crank, both types of pressurizing the intake manifold (Turbo/Supercharger) will increase stresses on things like pistons, rings and connecting rods and bearings.
Turbos heat the intake air more(risking detonation more)... Turbo manifolds are restrictive, especially when compared to headers which can be used with Superchargers... The strain Superchargers put on the crank can be countered with lighter cranks\flywheels etc - the centrifugal ones anyway... Superchargers are the BEST...
Turbo manifolds are not to restrictive stock truck manifolds can make a 1000rwhp , and you can use headers on turbos by using front facing headers or rear mount turbos and a trubo blanket with heat wrap will keep your intake temps down along with methanol and per lb of boost turbos are the more efficient than a supercharger also a proper turbo set can put more tourqe down than your avg supercharger with little to no lag amd still be slightly less abusive than a supercharger.
I think a key advantage to a properly setup Turbo build is that you can also have an electronic boost controller and thus be able to have different settings for the street and strip.
With a super charger you often have to either upgrade super chargers or change the pulley. I have seen some "variable boost" super chargers but they do not seem to have caught on much.
Also a turbo will often get as good of gas mileage as being N/A
Anyway I liked learning about the different super chargers, it would have been interesting to see the internal difference between a screw and roots style blower.
Turbos get much better mileage, they have a much higher boost capability, they're infinitely adjustable, and for a street car you can drive all day and never have to use boost, rather stay in vacuum, for cases of slick raining roads, etc.
Some screw type superchargers have bypass valves, which allow you to stay out of boost and not use the extra power.
thats what they were designed for economy and the turbo doesnt even come on unless the engines under load
thats why in rally racing they powerblock the car to keep the load but it causes a lots of people to brake and gas at the same time the car starts hopping over and understeering till they find themselves in a realy bad wreck.
do you guys ever make videos on screw blown hemi's vs "let's say" a twin turbo proline I dunno I know the difference and why there faster than on another but alot people have been questioning why all these screw blowers promod are coming into no prep racing and walking all over everyone I really feel if you guys went into detail on how a screw blown hemi worked and what kind of performance they produce compared to small block twin turbos or big block nitrous like Steve Wiley of Texas grim reaper went to okc to Armageddon and the fastest cars couldn't touch them and do the screw blowers really create down force on the car as they go
I like this quick click videos. Can you guys do another video about cam's street and strip style please.
Thank you, Laurence Oliver ii! We have a few videos on camshafts, both mild and aggressive. Here are the links to the videos:
Camshaft Specifications | Summit Racing Quick Flicks - Camshaft Specifications
Race Camshaft, Street Cam, RV Camshaft: What is the Difference - Summit Racing Quick Flicks - Race Camshaft, Street Cam, RV Camshaft: What is the Difference
sweet thanks guys !
I have a 06 police 3.5l charger, nothing done other than the tune, suspension from the department. The modifications I done are a K@N drop in filter and a custom after market exhaust. what in your opinion would be a good choice. A super charger (of so, which type) or a turbo charger.
+Anonymous,
A Centrifugal type of supercharger (Paxton, Vortech, Procharger) is much easier kit to install most times than a Turbocharger kit and generally lower cost! Don’t forget the computer tuning, you’re going to need it!
hi I have a 4th generation z28 with 115k miles. I plan on a tune up and headers and new exhaust first before I get a turbo or super charger I wanted to know which would be better? I think they both sound nice but rather go with what would be best
Joshua Gonzalez,
Generally, a centrifugal type supercharger are easier and least expensive to install.
Personally, I would go with a super charger because that suits my driving style the best. I'm a full throttle, pedal to the medal kind of guy, so I want and crave that instant power. I won't say that one way is better than the other because there is no one right way. In the end it all depends on car and driver and mainly what the driver wants the car to do.
what would be the best for 84 blazer, lifted big tires, off roading, mudding and beach
+taylor ashlock ,
Either one would work well for you!
supercharger because the lag of the turbo could cause issues
Summit Racing!
I hope you can help me out. I have a Bonneville SSEi. Its already quick enough stock but I would love to get more power. What would be the best modifications to gain the most power, and safely upgrade without any possible damage? Also I would love to get my supercharger to whine a lot louder!
Hi gjg50,
We carry Cold Air Kits, Pulley’s for the supercharger and tuning (HP Tuners) for the ECM. Give us a call and we can help you with the part numbers you’ll need! 1-330-630-0240. We look forward to your call. Thanks for watching!
HEY I HAVE A 2008 NISSAN 350Z AND I WAS WONDERING WHAT I SHOULD DO, TURBO OR SUPERCHARGE IT? THANKS FOR THE INFORMATIONAL VIDEO TOO!
Hi Minton Jeff,
Unfortunately Summit Racing does not offer a kit that would Turbocharge or Supercharge your car. A kit is definitely the way to go though; because it includes everything necessary to make the installation complete and as easy as possible. Usually these kits will also offer the mandatory re-tuning of the computer that must be done! Thanks for watching.
I have a 2010 camaro I am looking at the turbonetics ls3 kit, or the SLP twin screw supercharger, my elevation is around 5000 ft above sea level, I don't know if that matters and I don't won't to modify my engine can you help me decide.
Summit! I need your input! I have gone completely stupid and want to build an 08 mustang GT with a twist. I want to power it with a 5.4 Triton 3v! I know it's been done and it's a challenge but, I live the 5.4 3v. it's a good solid engine and can make lots of power. I'm wanting to build it to be a nice car to show off and take down a strip every once and awhile. im definitely looking in the 800+ hp range and am wanting your opinion on a supercharger or a twin turbo. I'd love to pick your brains!!! please gimme some feedback!
p.s I know I'll have to build the low end to take the boost. I'm not a newb, I'm just stepping out of my box to challenge myself with this build.
If I had a 2007 dodge charger do u believe the turbo charger will make it faster then suppercharger? And which one will use less gas?
How would a turbocharger affect an air-cooled engine? I have an older volkswagen that uses an air cooled engine, and I'm interested in putting more power into it. Would the engine still be able to properly cool itself with the increased power? I have also heard that turbochargers are better for fuel efficiency as they don't waste fuel at lower speeds. Is this true? I don't want to have a terribly fuel inefficient vehicle, but would not mind sacrificing efficiency to increase the top end if that makes any sense. These may sound like dumb questions but I am uniformed. Advice on the matter would be greatly appreciated.
Roasted Goldfish ,
Air cooled motors can benefit from a low boost charger system. Anything high boost, high volume of air would indeed comprise its cooling ability. As for fuel efficiency, that’s a matter of the type of fuel delivery system and the weight of your right foot! :)
I currently own a 2009 370Z that is bone stock with 83K miles and am looking at having a centrifugal supercharger installed. I've done some research and am still learning quite a bit about forced induction for my car in particular. My question is, would it be a good idea to add a supercharger (or any kind of forced induction for that matter) to a vehicle with that kind of mileage? Thanks in advance.
Marco Deuce,
Generally speaking, in most cases a stock motor with good maintenance history will be fine with a power adder at low boost levels such as 5-6 psi. It will have a considerable difference in power as well at that boost pressure. Anything higher than that really starts to add stresses the motors were never really designed to withstand and should be modified accordingly!
just about to start a 400 small block build- what compression can I run if im looking at building this to run a small twin screw whipple charger???not a blower...
Hi Gary McCarty,
This absolutely depends on the overall build you want to assemble and what the ultimate use/goal is. Please give us a call and we will certainly help you choose the proper parts for the best build! 1-330-630-0240. Thanks for watching!
Two things:
I know that you can have multiple turbochargers on a car, and even a combination of a turbocharger and a supercharger (twincharger). But what about multiple superchargers?
Also, what is the difference between a traditional turbocharger and a variable geometry turbocharger?
Thanks.
Hi Jarek,
Yes, you can have/use multiple superchargers. It just adds cost and complexity to the drive belt system. A Variable Geometry Turbocharger (VGT) has computer controlled vanes built into the exhaust (hot) side of the Turbo. Varying or adjusting the position of these vanes allows quicker spool ups and also engine breaking in diesel applications. There is lots of info online about these or give us a call, we’ll help you where we can. 1-330-630-0240. Thanks for watching!
Hello Summit, thanks for the information. I am think about getting a kit for my car. I am in California and I was wondering if using one of these kit I will still be able to pass the Smog Test. Thank You.
Hi edgarmambou,
Can you give our tech department a call? 1-330-630-0240. We would be happy to help! Thanks for watching.
Hey can you please advise me, I have a 327 chev freshly rebuilt standard in my jet boat. Looking for options for a more power across the range but esp at the hole shot. Not looking at anything big or flashy. I guess a supercharger but what type and where to start looking. From New Zealand and any help greatly appreciated- thanks
Is it true that turbochargers have the tendancy to wear out stock engines? If so, what needs to be done to the engine to allow it to function properly with the addition of a turbocharger?
Sculpture Junkie,
Any part that is improperly installed or misused can be detrimental to your motor, give us a
call and we can walk you through the process.
Summit Racing Oh, I see. I'm not in the market for one just yet, but when I am, I will, thank you.
I've been thinking about adding forced induction on my truck but I don't know which one or if it's possible. I have a 2004 dodge ram 1500 4.7 liter. any suggestions?
I want to get my Mega Cab 1500 turbocharged but do I need a whole kit or do I just need a turbo and have a shop install it/tune it?
Hi Rob King,
Turbo’s are best purchased in kit form if available due to it having all the required parts for proper installation.
So i want to force feed a 350z. I currently live in arizona where it is crazy hot. I prefer a turbo set up over a supercharger but feel like it won't be efficient during the peek season of the intense heat. I mainly just want to make it faster whether I'm going in a straight line or side ways (mostly side ways) any input?
Joseph Gruber,
A great suggestion for this type of environment would be to use a water to air type of intercooler. This type of system has a reservoir that you could add ice too and really bring your inlet temperatures way down!
Which one would be better on a stock 4.8L vortex in a 01' Chevy Silverado?
I have a 2002 suburban that has 335k on it could I still put a turbo or supercharger on it or will it blow up?
I'm going to be buying a 1998 Ram SST soon and I would like it to be well into the 400s or possibly 500 in terms of horsepower (stock is just under 250). Which would be better for me?
I'm still new to superchargers and turbochargers. I think I want a centrifugal supercharger because it's easier to install for a beginner and smaller too. But I don't really understand the concept of parasitic loss from the horsepower? If for example I have a mazda with 2.5L 184hp, how much hp is lossed because of the parasitic loss? And if it's a centrifugal charger, will it increase by boost after a certain rpm like 3,500? Before it reaches that amount, will my car run slower until it hits that rpm?
+Jeric Tamayo (Momentum33) The centrifugal is the best option - you are on the right track(keep going)... The loss is due to added strain put on the crank in order to turn the charger... Modern SCs induce less strain - PLUS - you can reduce rotating mass elsewhere in the drive train to compensate for loss, with lightened flywheels, internals, pulleys etc... I can talk more - let me know if you want more points(& use an intercooler - I would, if I could afford it)... =]
+Jeric Tamayo (Momentum33) Oh I forgot - boost with the C-SC is like 2PSI at 2000RPM - for example - & increases to max advertised(less piping & intercooler loss)at max RPM... I once saw a listing for a SC for a Honda Fit with similar data - if I can find it I'll put in the link...
+Jeric Tamayo (Momentum33) ,
Can you give our tech department a call? 1-330-630-0240. We would like to discuss this with you.
Thanks for watching!
So I have a 2010 Civic SI, I'm looking at buying one of these 2 but not sure which would be best. SI's have VTEC so I already have SOME high rmp power but what would you recommend? Also this is an after thought but I much prefer the sound of a turbo and blow off valves.
+Ian Breckenridge,
Ultimately both achieve the same thing, pressurizing the intake manifold thus boosting performance. It really comes down to cost, installation difficulty (if you are installing) and is it available in a kit so you make sure all required pieces are included!
Great video bro.. I’ve never seen anyone so exited in my life! Love the enthusiasm
I have a '97 5.0 block and am having trouble finding a supercharger for that year, Also for more of a street build would you recommend a supercharger or a turbo for a moderate power increase and would I run into any problems with a stock engine?
Hi Jesse Lockhart,
We need some additional information from you. Can you give our tech line a call? 1-330-630-0240. We look forward to your call. Thanks for watching!
Whats best for 07 gt mustang? I dd the car on summer time. Just want more power! Nice vid btw, very informative!
Karlo Sazon , Any of the supercharger kits that we carry for your car either from Vortech, Ford Racing, Steeda etc. will work on a daily driven car. You will just need to decide which one fits your wallet. :)
Summit Racing il check the site out. Thanks for the fast reply!
I have a 99 grand Marquis LS and I want to put a supercharger on it but I don't know where to find one that would work for it and how much I can build up the motor and still be OK to put a supercharger on it
Hi Daniel,
Can you give our tech department a call? 1-330-630-0240. We need some additional information from you. We look forward to your call. Thanks for watching!
seems like a turbo would be a little easier and less expensive to add on? still new to car tech but also looks like less materials as well, im sure they can go both ways price wise but just the basics what would that equal out to compared to each other?
Mustangandtang,
We need some additional information from you. Can you give our tech line a call at 1-800-230-3030?
Thanks!
I am planning to buy a 2002 ford explorer in a year or two, would you recommend a twin-turbo setup, single turbo, or supercharger setup
lol a turbo/supercharged explorer? why
it all depends on how much you want to spend really
That helped me decide on what to use and build my future track/drag car with. Very informative.
Thank you Nathanael!
Nathanael Johnson what should I put in my Ferrari 45B Spider
Nathanael Johnson what should I put in my Ferrari 45B Spider
jonathan vazquez I'd put a turbo to be honest it's truly hard to say but for a monster boost even with a little lag and no horsepower loss it'd be a better choice in my opinion.
jonathan vazquez plus Ferrari 45B is a foreign mussel/tunner so like I said in my opinion I'd put a turbo.
Hey Summit, I have a 1999 Honda Civic coupe. I'm stuck be tween forced induction and natural aspiration. I thought about putting a Jackson Supercharger in it. What are your thoughts about it (Or anyone's thoughts)?
Is it possible to install both a turbo and a super chager
i have a 2001 aurora v8. The car is already pretty good but it could be better do you have any idea on what i can do to add some power (the most i can) and some cautions too?
+Emanuel Cazarez,
That car is now 15 years old and not exactly high on the popularity list for aftermarket vendors making parts. It will come down to part availability, and potentially fabrication for this car.
I'm currently saving extra money to purchase a turbocharger for my 2012 Scion TC. However, I find it rather difficult to come across a type of turbocharger that is suitable for my car because i'm not an engine specialist by any means. Any way I could find one that would be good for my car?
*****,
We are sorry, but unfortunately we do not have a turbo kit for your car at this time.
how much can you increase power of NA with roots/screw without need for intercooler on a front engine ?
you dont need a inter cooler unless its over 100 degrees and your pushing more than ten psi.
thats a roots though I dont know about the screws
I'm getting a scion frs what would you recommend to get the best hp and and sound while having less drop
And would you recommend getting a more powerful engine for for speed and hp because I'm willing to do that aswell and if so what type of engine aswell as the turbo or supercharger
This guy seemed nervous.
hi i have a stock 1997 chevy silverado would it a good choice to turbo charge it or would it be better if i do a supercharger im looking for something that can be daily driven but can also get down on the track?
Hi Alejandro,
Either one fits that bill. Both are OE installed on a multitude of application over the years proving their reliability. What it really comes down to is this, are you a fabricator and installing yourself or are you looking for a kit? A kit you say, well then, availability and affordability need to be answered as well.
To those who are still confused, the turbocharger shoves air into the combustion chamber giving you more bang which means you'll have high acceleration but eventually looses some of its power in high speeds and gears.
The supercharger is attached to your engine belt, what does that mean you ask? It means your engine will scream at higher RPMs, you'll have more horsepower and a higher top speed, since your engine is spinning round and round even faster you won't start gaining speed slower.
It depends on the situation, if it's a drag race, use the turbo... or NOS. If it's a track I recommend the supercharger
rynousa yea, backwards lol
+rynousa yeah thats what i was reading earlier a turbo does better at higher rpm thats why it has a lag and the superlcharger usually doesnt give you as much power as the turbo but its better at lower rpm and it builds from there.
+Densel Moore lets get something straight here, a turbo doesn't necessarily mean high rpm. Also a difference between them is turbo is more effecient. Supercharger for drag, turbo for track, not the other way
my little 144 never stops pushing not even past 10000 rpm
you guys read to much advertizing propaganda
that what they said about the new screw blowers .
but you heard the summit guy say they got no top end.
turbos have a tough powerband but then they shift and thats where the real lag is .
even the spoolers .
In your opinion what should I do?? I have a 2004 350z enthusiast with a cold air Intake in, should I get a twin turbo or supercharger? Im not to sure what would add more HP and what HP I would have at the end
Travis Pastrana,
We carry the complete Vortech
supercharger kit for your car. It will boost your horsepower to in excess of
400. The kit can be viewed here: www.summitracing.com/parts/VOR-4NZ218-018L/?feedback=1
Glad to see this guy say the truth. Turbo mos definitely is the better quality💯💯💯
What size turbo would recommend for 17.5hp briggs and stratton lawn mower? Or should or i go supercharged? Trying to see a gain of a lot of horsepower. Please help.
change it out for a 5.0L v8 and forget about turbos and chargers
If you have two of the same cars, same weight, same areodynamics, same engine, completely identical other than the fact that one is turbo and one is super, would one necessarily be faster than the other ?
Are turbos big in drag racing or does it depend on your car and what performance your looking for
Turbo is usually bigger in rally, or circuit racing. Superchargers are more used in drag racing cause they are made for high RMPs. In drag racing you are continuously shifting up, and that's why it can be more useful exspecially the last gear when it's a continuous pull in the higher RMPs. in a circuit you spend more time down shifting and having to pick speed up again so you use a turbo to get you there faster. A super charger would probably make you spin out in a circuit so over all most people use superchargers for Drag racing unless they have a 4 cylinder where it would be more difficult to place a super charger in the smaller hood space. either way though with a turbo or a super charger you will see a lot more performance out of your car, and you'll have a hell of a lot of fun.
uhhhhh Rapture Films, I'm pretty sure turbos are the ones built for higher RPM runs. They probide more boost at higher RPMs. It was explained in the video. Superchargers provide instant boost. Turbos have turbolag where superchargers don't. In most cases turbos provide a lot more power especially in drag racing where people will run upwards of 1000hp.
yes my apologies I mixed it up. That's why people don't like superchargers for circuit. If you down shift they get squarely. I wrote that early in the morning I was a out of it.
I was thinking of supercharging or turbocharging my 1990 5.0 foxbody mustang but i dont know which one i should do help its a daily driver but i also want a good amount of power to race.
Austin Rogers,
There are lots of options available to you on this car. Please give us a call and we can help you determine which is best. 1-330-630-0240
Couldn't find all 3 types of superchargers to include in the video?
I know right?
can you turbo charge a 4.3 vortec? & what other components would you have to replace ? injectors ? new manifold ? intake?
Hi Emanuel Castillo,
Sorry but, we do not have a kit to Turbocharge your 4.3 Vortec motor. Now, if you wanted to build your own kit we could help with components. This will not be an easy job as there will be a lot of fabrication on your part. Yes, injectors will need to be replaced. You will also need access to someone that can reprogram your computer as well.
Do you watch Roadkill? If you have the necessary fabrication experience you can do just about anything. This has been done to Roadkill's Datsun 240z. They had a GM 4.3 engine in the car with a Subaru WRX rear end, a manual transmission from a junkyard S-10, and a turbo from a Ford Powerstroke diesel. Check it out. It may give you some ideas.
thnks guys ill do some more reasearch
So I play this game, it's called Forza Horizon 3, basically a arcade racing game, where you can tune cars and stuff. And now I want to make the best drag car possible. What would than be a better option a turbo of a supercharger?
i own a crv with a k series engine. I think its the k24,, but would a t3 kit do me well? I was also trying to see which intake fits best for this car too.
btw the video was really informative c:
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We need some additional information from you. Can you give our tech line a call? 1-330-630-0240. We look forward to your call. Thanks for watching!
So I'm not an auto technician but I'm curious . Can you install a turbo and a supercharger on one vehicle ?
+erik acosta ,
Yes, this can and has been done but, it would require a highly modified engine in order to handle that kind of cylinder pressure.
Possibility of Supercharging or Turbocharging a 2008 Honda Accord 4dr LX-P ????
What's best daily driven? Not looking for huge power just a bit more (frs)
UmmmmRamos ,
Vehicles are produced at the factory with superchargers or turbochargers all the time! Both work very well in daily driven applications.
Which turbo fits 3.8 v6 engine since there's too many turbos out on the market
What would be best for a 2006 v6 pony package mustang. (Wanted to go for a v8 but found a v6 with only 22,000 miles really cheap). I don't want to dump too much money into my car but Definitely want to improve my cars performance
Hi Terranova,
We carry anything from cold air intakes and programmers to full exhaust and supercharger kits for that car. Give us a call and we can help you pick what’s best for your budget! 1-800-230-3030
which should I do for a 83 chevy deluxe truck 4x4 but gonna make it like a c10
Hi Nuked,
We need some additional information from you. Can you please give our tech line a call? 1-330-630-0240. Thanks!
What about the overall longevity of the engine when you have force induction? It obviously decreases doesn't it?
Induction by itself won't reduce the life of your engine especially not if it's designed or modified to handle higher (average) internal operating pressures/temps.
What will reduce its longevity is usage of induction while racing the engine at high RPMs.
Drive normally for the vast majority of the time and you should see nearly identical engine life spans.
it depends on how you gear your car how you build engine .
but it does shorten bearing life a little bit .
but the blower is worth it.
Which one would be better for a subaru brz?
Hey I have a 2006 550i BMW and I'm looking to built this car. Currently it's completely stock with a 4.8l NA engine with around 130kmiles
Is there any suggestions you guys can advise me on? Such as a supercharger/turbo or any other modifications?
Thanks
Kris Lopez ,
Unfortunately, we do not have a supercharger or turbocharger kit available for your vehicle. Sorry!
which provides better acceleration? Turbo or Supercharger?
Just curious but is there a supercharger kit for 2013 dodge dart? if so where can i get it?
Abdiel Valdez,
1.
At this time
we do not have any turbo or supercharger kits for the Darts, sorry!
Hey guys at Summit. I just bought my first vehicle. 1986 El Camino SS. It has around 180 hp. It has a 305 V8 with a 700r4 automatic transmission. I never really get her over 3500 and it revs out 6000. I would like to get some lower range say from idle at 650 to 3500 rpms. What do you guys think I should get. Thanks
Just my 2 cents:
I hate to say it but probably the best thing you can do for power, especially if you're going to keep and modify the car long term, is to find yourself a mild 350 and get rid of that 305.
If you really want to keep the 305 and want to supercharge it make sure the engine is in good condition (compression test, etc). You don't want to add any type of supercharger to an oil burner, an engine that knocks or has other problems.
The cheapest, simplest option for boost is probably a Weiand 144 Pro Street Supercharger (Summit Part number WND-7740-1). You may need to cut a small hole in the hood and get a small hood scoop to accommodate it but these little "mini-blowers" produce great low rpm power and bolt on pretty much like an intake manifold.
I have the next size up, the Weiand 177 on my 380ci in my Camaro for two years now with no problems. Took a bit of tuning (air/fuel and timing) though.
Hi Joe Zongora,
It was typical of those cars to come equipped with a highway gear ratio from the factory. A great first start in your build would be to consider a gear ratio change to a 3.42 or 3.73 depending on any future modifications. Feel free to give us a call on the tech hotline and talk to one of our reps. They will be happy to assist you with your build and part numbers.
I will thanks guys.
Hey I am planning on running a turbo charger in my 65 ford falcon that is equipped with the 200 L6. I have been doing tons of research and have found nobody that has done a turbo build on that kind of motor. I have received a turbo off a mitsubishi Evo VIII it is the 60mm 16G turbo, and this is the turbo I will plan on putting on the car. I plan on building my own headers out of t304 stainless steel, Im going to run a 3 in exhaust with glasspack, 2 barrel carburetor, and DUI distributor. what would be the horsepower gain in this running on 10psi compared to if I were to just have split headers, 2.5 in dual exhaust, and all the other options as posted before minus the turbo?
Hi Trevor Reed,
We would love to help! Can you give our tech department a call at 1-330-630-0240? This may take further discussion. We look forward to your call. Thank you for watching!
the 2 barrel is going to have trouble keeping up in the higher rpms, A friend of mine did something similar with the dodge 225 slant six. We had to build a custom header and intake ourselves to adapt a four barrel to meet the fuel consumption needs in higher rpms where we noticed the engine leaning out. The dodge slant six engine was ideal for a turbo with its open engine bay and having both intake and exhaust on the same side "besides the chokes on these engines which are a pain in the ass" makes for a clean look and short inlet tubes. I dont know the power figures on his car "1972 dodge dart" as we have never put it on the dyno but i can say it is a torque monster! And the definition of a sleeper. Hope your build goes well, take your time and make sure everything is prefect and you will have a gem of an engine. The 65 ford falcon is a gorgeous car, and all hail straight six engines.
Is there any company you guys can refer me to?
Should I keep the supercharger in my Hellcat, or should I put in a twin turbo system
Twin charge it, basically drop money on a turbo (and an intercooler if you don't have one)
+C. Kendall ,
Well, that car makes a good bit of power already! But, if that’s not enough then the answer to your question is pretty clear!! :)
Is it possible to supercharge a v6 Silverado ? Is it worth it
so naturally aspirated is different from turbo & superchargers right?
Canute yes. NA means no turbo or super :)
just asking, but it would be cool. can you run a 671 blower with twin turbos.
Hi Tim Barentine,
While not very practical and very expensive, yes it can be done.
The best form of turbo vs supercharger that i can think of is on the early airplane .
the old prop planes could only go 1500 feet off ground the turbo pushed them up to 3000 feet.
a small 142 gmc blower drove them up to 50000 feet..
its a air pump cfm and density competition and as you can see supercharger doesnt just win.
It crushes the competition!
How does the roots know to pressurize the cylinders and not in the plenum?
Hi jocrp6,
The plenum is in the path to the cylinders. Please let us know if you have any additional questions. Thanks for watching!
how do they manage HP against high temps outside 80f & higher compared with 40-60f intake air temps. Thanks.
Hot80s ,
Well, the underlying concern when trying to make big power with high ambient temperatures is detonation. Detonation can be controlled a number of ways dependent upon the application. Intercooling, retarding ignition timing, water/meth injection & cooling system efficiency upgrades are just a few to consider.
Hi I have a question I currently own a 2014 dodge challenger sxt 3.6l I'm wondering if it is possible to make it supercharged or turbocharged. And what will be better?...ty in advance
d'knight,
Due to the fact that a turbo adds no parasitic draw to your motor to make power, instead it uses exhaust gases (waste) to spin the compressor wheel, they would be the better way to go. But, most times a turbo is more labor intensive to install due to an exhaust system re-work and all the added tubing to route beneath the hood. We unfortunately do not have either kit for your car but, these kits will be very vehicle specific and shouldn’t be hard to find if available!
I wanted to make a correction on the video just so people aren't misinformed. Turbochargers do take away power from the engine. Energy is required to spin the propellers and energy cannot be created nor destroyed. The pistons have to push the exhaust gas more in order to spin the turbocharger's propeller. Although it is less than superchargers, turbos also have parasitic loss.
I hope in a future video you can make this correction so this doesn't spread through the car communities.
They don't take away energy because what spins the turbines is the exhaust gases
Your just restating
It's slighter harder for the engine to complete the exhaust stroke, however most of the energy comes from the blow down energy of the heated exhaust gases leaving which is typically 'wasted into the environment' without a turbo.
Personally I still think superchargers are better because of instant response and more induction at lower rpm but it's all application dependent. For my application I want to accelerate from a stop in a straight line as quickly as possible.
Negligible power loss. The turbos develop inertia and spin on their own. The exhaust just keeps them spinning.
How to get more power from my 94 Pontiac Firebird formula stuck engine please advise
Hi David, we would need some additional information. Can you give us a call? 1-330-230-3030
Which one is more fuel efficient??
How much does each type that makes the same net power cost?
this is interesting but what are the pros and cons of the twincharger system
Hi ferretshadowprod,
Can you give our tech department a call? 1-330-630-0240. We look forward to your call. Thanks!
umm can I ask why lol
ferretshadowprod,
This would be a lengthy response, some things are more clear in conversation over the phone.
Im looking for a bolt on supercharger for my 2004 Dakota 4.7L v8
do you guys have one in stock and what else will I need to buy from you to make this work. thanks
Jamey Campbell ,
We are sorry to say at the time, we do not have a supercharger kit available for your truck. Good luck!
which would be better for a brz
+Darion Murray ,
Can you give our tech line a call? We need some additional information from you. 1-330-630-0240.
+Darion Murray most likely turbo
Darion Murray or you can just buy a real car
Darion Murray get a supercharger for better power on turns, brzs really only need 40 more hp to be perfect imo
its a light and a well built car which can be done a lot to. there is a reason why there is a lot of after market stuff for the brz/frs/86. turbo or supercharge...it'll be a great car to be in.
Hi I have a 2014 Camaro v6 i was wondering if there's any turbo kits for them or am I better of with a. Supercharger?
+Victor Reyes Trade it in for a V8
+Victor Reyes ,
Unfortunately we do not have either for that car as of yet. Give it a little time though, as popular as that car is we’ll have something soon!
What is better I have a 2013 Dodge challenger R/T Stick shift is a supercharger better since I have the 5.7 hemi verse the Turbo?
Hi Micheal Vargas,
A supercharger kit would certainly be easier to install while gaining the same power. Take a look at this Edelbrock kit that includes the intercooler and computer programmer!
www.summitracing.com/parts/edl-1534/overview/year/2013/make/dodge/model/challenger