They both have their ups and downs. In general, if you want instant, brutal power at low gear with great acceleration, get a supercharger. If you want tons of extra boost while accelerating from 50mph, go with a turbo.
I hope you know that turbos are built alot better and there is just about no lag with a good tune superchargers are pretty much a thing of the past cool looking and do work but they only give you low in power and torque soon the nitrous Motors will be ahead of turbos
What have you been smoking ? maybe your thinking about a screw supercharger ive heard that about them. there alway using nightrous to get a 10 1/2 second quarter. but you know nothing when you say roots blowers are a thing of the past. and that turbos beat them up . They might get them in the right powerband for a second but then the car shifts and it aint got shit and the roots blower intercepts . mind you i have a little 144 against the biggest and baddest turbos and have not lost yet ! I imagine theres a few out there that would beat my little blown 350 . But theres plenty of big blowers on bigblocks pulling 3 minute quarter miles just waiting LOL.
some other differences include: The turbo being capable of producing a much larger ammount of boost than superchargers in comparison to size and efficiency. Boost can be much easily adjusted with turbos than superchargers and can even be adjusted within the vehicle cab while driving providing you have an in cab boost controller, whereas with a supercharger you cant adjust the boost without changing the drive pulley to a bigger/smaller one. (correct me if i'm wrong) also lagg issues can easily be resolved, i found that turbo lagg is only a real problem with automatic transmissions whereas with a manual you can launch on boost and the bigger the engine the less lagg you get with turbocharging v8's there is little or even no lagg due to the high ammounts of exhaust driving the turbo/turbos. (No need for correction, Spoken from personal experience) Thanks for sharing this great educational video, i'm sure it's helped alot of people.
analanalyst thats 100% correct depending on the tune, turbocharged engines can also be made to respond instantly and also for low, mid and top end torque while being efficient. turbos on v8s are becoming extremely common because of this.
I've noticed from these comments a lot of people don't understand this at all. Turbo's are better for track and four and six cylinders. Superchargers are better for drag and eight cylinders and higher. To turbo/ supercharge a car with high psi and high power, YOU WILL NEED FORGED INTERNALS. This will cost a good 1000 dollars or more. If youb opt to buy one anyway without doing this and run high power. Your engine won't last nearly as long and could blow up while driving. A blown engine means you will have to replace your engine. Also go with smaller upgrades like exhaust, intake, clutch kit, short throw, better carb if you need one, and chip upgrades if you will spend more than what the car is worth. If you have a 3000 dollar car don't buy a turbo kit. Also cars that are fwd are risky adding this much power. If you add to much hp to fwd you will get torque steer which sucks ass. Last and final point, don't buy ebay turbo kits!!!!! They are trash and don't add good hp.You are not getting a good deal, you are just getting a shitty turbo. A good turbo or supercharger will be a few thousand dollars or more. Ebay turbos will blow apart. They are all made in china more or less. ITS YOUR CHOICE THOUGH BUT BE WISE ABOUT INVESTMENTS LIKE THIS
OnTheEdge OfGravity just want to say that superchargers can be quite good for track when there are lots of twists and turns due to faster power recovery compared to turbos
Thanks for the info! I have a 2013 Honda civic SI, and I would like to get a turbo kit. Which one would you recommend?? And what parts you recommend me to change to get the max power out of my k24? Thanks in advance!
What if I buy an Ebay turbo kit and then rebuild it with a kit made for a quality turbo? Wouldn't that be the best of Both Worlds? The internals is all that really matters right?
funkierfawn budgie If it's an all out boost war you want, you would be better with only the turbo. The supercharger would only slow down the potential flow. (If your turbo(s) are properly sized the lag issues are also no issue.) In the end it comes down to what you hope to accomplish. Sounds like you want a ton of "flow", so turbo is the way to go!
Awesome vid explaining the differences to those who don't understand or still had questions about the different styles and types of chargers. Wish I could post a pic of my set up but I have the Vortech V3 centrifugal SC on my 2011 Sierra 4x4 and absolutely love it. With just the blower, long tube headers and of course custom tune, got her from a stock 220 rwhp to 400 rwhp. Most likely will put a SC on all future vehicles.
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The turbo lag can be avoided by just putting a smaller turbo. As far as turbo lag, turbo are so advance now in days that if you make the good combo there should be little or no lag to the turbo...
my roots 144 is about 15 years old and ive raced new deisel turbos even a new spooled turbo that was on a camaro with a 502 and my little 350 with 144 supercharged in a 6000 pound 76 chevy blazer prevailed it had power but it shifted and i blew by, low rpm is not the turbos freind even with a stall converter.
tomjw7 It was a diy turbo'ed 85' mustang and the boost was set at 3500 rpm so when you would downshift the boost would kick in and the back would (theoretically) kick out bc power from the turbo. We were trying to build a drift car and we couldn't figure out why the turbo was holding out.
tomjw7 yeah our custom intake manifold didn't seal so we were losing power initially when the turbo would start spinning. That also explained the low pressure reading on the dash.
Turbos heat the intake air more(risking detonation more)... Turbo manifolds are restrictive, especially when compared to headers which can be used with Superchargers... The strain Superchargers put on the crank can be countered with lighter cranks\flywheels etc - the centrifugal ones anyway... Superchargers are the BEST...
Turbo manifolds are not to restrictive stock truck manifolds can make a 1000rwhp , and you can use headers on turbos by using front facing headers or rear mount turbos and a trubo blanket with heat wrap will keep your intake temps down along with methanol and per lb of boost turbos are the more efficient than a supercharger also a proper turbo set can put more tourqe down than your avg supercharger with little to no lag amd still be slightly less abusive than a supercharger.
Turbos get much better mileage, they have a much higher boost capability, they're infinitely adjustable, and for a street car you can drive all day and never have to use boost, rather stay in vacuum, for cases of slick raining roads, etc.
thats what they were designed for economy and the turbo doesnt even come on unless the engines under load thats why in rally racing they powerblock the car to keep the load but it causes a lots of people to brake and gas at the same time the car starts hopping over and understeering till they find themselves in a realy bad wreck.
Personally, I would go with a super charger because that suits my driving style the best. I'm a full throttle, pedal to the medal kind of guy, so I want and crave that instant power. I won't say that one way is better than the other because there is no one right way. In the end it all depends on car and driver and mainly what the driver wants the car to do.
I think a key advantage to a properly setup Turbo build is that you can also have an electronic boost controller and thus be able to have different settings for the street and strip. With a super charger you often have to either upgrade super chargers or change the pulley. I have seen some "variable boost" super chargers but they do not seem to have caught on much. Also a turbo will often get as good of gas mileage as being N/A Anyway I liked learning about the different super chargers, it would have been interesting to see the internal difference between a screw and roots style blower.
To those who are still confused, the turbocharger shoves air into the combustion chamber giving you more bang which means you'll have high acceleration but eventually looses some of its power in high speeds and gears. The supercharger is attached to your engine belt, what does that mean you ask? It means your engine will scream at higher RPMs, you'll have more horsepower and a higher top speed, since your engine is spinning round and round even faster you won't start gaining speed slower. It depends on the situation, if it's a drag race, use the turbo... or NOS. If it's a track I recommend the supercharger
+rynousa yeah thats what i was reading earlier a turbo does better at higher rpm thats why it has a lag and the superlcharger usually doesnt give you as much power as the turbo but its better at lower rpm and it builds from there.
+Densel Moore lets get something straight here, a turbo doesn't necessarily mean high rpm. Also a difference between them is turbo is more effecient. Supercharger for drag, turbo for track, not the other way
my little 144 never stops pushing not even past 10000 rpm you guys read to much advertizing propaganda that what they said about the new screw blowers . but you heard the summit guy say they got no top end. turbos have a tough powerband but then they shift and thats where the real lag is . even the spoolers .
jonathan vazquez I'd put a turbo to be honest it's truly hard to say but for a monster boost even with a little lag and no horsepower loss it'd be a better choice in my opinion.
I wanted to make a correction on the video just so people aren't misinformed. Turbochargers do take away power from the engine. Energy is required to spin the propellers and energy cannot be created nor destroyed. The pistons have to push the exhaust gas more in order to spin the turbocharger's propeller. Although it is less than superchargers, turbos also have parasitic loss. I hope in a future video you can make this correction so this doesn't spread through the car communities.
It's slighter harder for the engine to complete the exhaust stroke, however most of the energy comes from the blow down energy of the heated exhaust gases leaving which is typically 'wasted into the environment' without a turbo. Personally I still think superchargers are better because of instant response and more induction at lower rpm but it's all application dependent. For my application I want to accelerate from a stop in a straight line as quickly as possible.
Siggy Cloud There are cars that uses both. The first car to do so was an 80s sort of supercar built for a special category of Rally that required only 200 roadgoing cars to be built. It has the shape of a small 3 door car like a golf but its only a 2 seater with a mid engine, plastic body and 4wd delivering up to 550 bhp for rally.
Yes thats true, but this was a very special car, search for Lancia Delta s4 or s4 stradale. the 200 roadgoing versions was made only to get up the number to make rallyversions.
The best form of turbo vs supercharger that i can think of is on the early airplane . the old prop planes could only go 1500 feet off ground the turbo pushed them up to 3000 feet. a small 142 gmc blower drove them up to 50000 feet.. its a air pump cfm and density competition and as you can see supercharger doesnt just win. It crushes the competition!
So I play this game, it's called Forza Horizon 3, basically a arcade racing game, where you can tune cars and stuff. And now I want to make the best drag car possible. What would than be a better option a turbo of a supercharger?
I always keep it simple, 4 - 6 cylinder cars get a turbo, 8 cylinder cars get a super charger. Also, don't get a non turbo car and try to turbo it. You waste a lot of time just to find out it would have been better to upgrade your engine via engine swap. Always just get a car that is already turbo and upgrade it to be able to withstand a bigger turbo, much easier process
Both create heat, make the air expand. Use NOS, where you are condensing the air, pull nothing from engine, need not wait on RPM's to move more exhaust, just hit the button and you have INSTANT power.
do you guys ever make videos on screw blown hemi's vs "let's say" a twin turbo proline I dunno I know the difference and why there faster than on another but alot people have been questioning why all these screw blowers promod are coming into no prep racing and walking all over everyone I really feel if you guys went into detail on how a screw blown hemi worked and what kind of performance they produce compared to small block twin turbos or big block nitrous like Steve Wiley of Texas grim reaper went to okc to Armageddon and the fastest cars couldn't touch them and do the screw blowers really create down force on the car as they go
You also forgot that with the right set up you will have 0% lag with a turbo or you can set up an anti lag system and with a turbo you can make 2x more power and sounds better at boost and blow off...
most comercial trucks are powered by turbos and at the national truck races a gmc truck running a little detroit with a little wore out and retired supercharger got took out of a garage flat smoked every body with athority it was awsome , the little truck was from the 50s and had to warm up for awhile just to get the injectors working LOL My father inlaw was the previos owner I helped TOW it home and get it running LOL It was up against the newest turbo tech LOL
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Hi Minton Jeff, Unfortunately Summit Racing does not offer a kit that would Turbocharge or Supercharge your car. A kit is definitely the way to go though; because it includes everything necessary to make the installation complete and as easy as possible. Usually these kits will also offer the mandatory re-tuning of the computer that must be done! Thanks for watching.
So I'm building my ranger into a desert racing truck. I've heard that both shouldn't be used beCause debris can come up and possibly break the pieces. Also the heat from them. But I'm still leaning towards buying a supercharger for my truck. Any input on if I'm dead wrong or somewhat right? School me on this. Thanks and appreciate all these videos you guys make. Very helpful
Gabriel Alejandro, Either option will have its share of compromises and fabrication in order to make them work out for you. Turbos have a lot more plumbing (piping) to do and roots style chargers have potential hood clearance issues. The choice is up to you provided you are willing to do the work. Just keep in mind that in a sandy dirty environment that top notch air filtration is extremely important to make either of these chargers live.
Very nice informative video man. I really want a turbo in my 2012 mustang 5.0! I love turbos. But I'm in Cali and all turbo systems would make my care smog illegal. Sucks!!!
Thank you for watching! Have you looked into the Edelbrock Supercharger kit that is 50 state legal? The kit makes 559 Horsepower! The part number is EDL-1588, here is a link to the part: www.summitracing.com/parts/edl-1588/overview/ Please let us know if you have any additional questions or give our tech line a call at 1-330-630-0240.
If you have two of the same cars, same weight, same areodynamics, same engine, completely identical other than the fact that one is turbo and one is super, would one necessarily be faster than the other ?
Two things: I know that you can have multiple turbochargers on a car, and even a combination of a turbocharger and a supercharger (twincharger). But what about multiple superchargers? Also, what is the difference between a traditional turbocharger and a variable geometry turbocharger? Thanks.
Hi Jarek, Yes, you can have/use multiple superchargers. It just adds cost and complexity to the drive belt system. A Variable Geometry Turbocharger (VGT) has computer controlled vanes built into the exhaust (hot) side of the Turbo. Varying or adjusting the position of these vanes allows quicker spool ups and also engine breaking in diesel applications. There is lots of info online about these or give us a call, we’ll help you where we can. 1-330-630-0240. Thanks for watching!
its a light and a well built car which can be done a lot to. there is a reason why there is a lot of after market stuff for the brz/frs/86. turbo or supercharge...it'll be a great car to be in.
if you can get good horse power from your supercharger setup ide go with supercharger all day. turbo lag on a tight track or the street can break your runs.
hi I have a 4th generation z28 with 115k miles. I plan on a tune up and headers and new exhaust first before I get a turbo or super charger I wanted to know which would be better? I think they both sound nice but rather go with what would be best
Summit! I need your input! I have gone completely stupid and want to build an 08 mustang GT with a twist. I want to power it with a 5.4 Triton 3v! I know it's been done and it's a challenge but, I live the 5.4 3v. it's a good solid engine and can make lots of power. I'm wanting to build it to be a nice car to show off and take down a strip every once and awhile. im definitely looking in the 800+ hp range and am wanting your opinion on a supercharger or a twin turbo. I'd love to pick your brains!!! please gimme some feedback! p.s I know I'll have to build the low end to take the boost. I'm not a newb, I'm just stepping out of my box to challenge myself with this build.
I have a 06 police 3.5l charger, nothing done other than the tune, suspension from the department. The modifications I done are a K@N drop in filter and a custom after market exhaust. what in your opinion would be a good choice. A super charger (of so, which type) or a turbo charger.
+Anonymous, A Centrifugal type of supercharger (Paxton, Vortech, Procharger) is much easier kit to install most times than a Turbocharger kit and generally lower cost! Don’t forget the computer tuning, you’re going to need it!
What are your thought's on the twin (spools) screw's of the Edelbrock E-Force S.C's? I'm thinking of putting one on a T/A "392" automatic. Edelbrock states that the 6.4L Hemi has a strong enough bottom end piston's & rod's?
How would a turbocharger affect an air-cooled engine? I have an older volkswagen that uses an air cooled engine, and I'm interested in putting more power into it. Would the engine still be able to properly cool itself with the increased power? I have also heard that turbochargers are better for fuel efficiency as they don't waste fuel at lower speeds. Is this true? I don't want to have a terribly fuel inefficient vehicle, but would not mind sacrificing efficiency to increase the top end if that makes any sense. These may sound like dumb questions but I am uniformed. Advice on the matter would be greatly appreciated.
Roasted Goldfish , Air cooled motors can benefit from a low boost charger system. Anything high boost, high volume of air would indeed comprise its cooling ability. As for fuel efficiency, that’s a matter of the type of fuel delivery system and the weight of your right foot! :)
I'm going to be buying a 1998 Ram SST soon and I would like it to be well into the 400s or possibly 500 in terms of horsepower (stock is just under 250). Which would be better for me?
Hello Summit, thanks for the information. I am think about getting a kit for my car. I am in California and I was wondering if using one of these kit I will still be able to pass the Smog Test. Thank You.
I'm still new to superchargers and turbochargers. I think I want a centrifugal supercharger because it's easier to install for a beginner and smaller too. But I don't really understand the concept of parasitic loss from the horsepower? If for example I have a mazda with 2.5L 184hp, how much hp is lossed because of the parasitic loss? And if it's a centrifugal charger, will it increase by boost after a certain rpm like 3,500? Before it reaches that amount, will my car run slower until it hits that rpm?
+Jeric Tamayo (Momentum33) The centrifugal is the best option - you are on the right track(keep going)... The loss is due to added strain put on the crank in order to turn the charger... Modern SCs induce less strain - PLUS - you can reduce rotating mass elsewhere in the drive train to compensate for loss, with lightened flywheels, internals, pulleys etc... I can talk more - let me know if you want more points(& use an intercooler - I would, if I could afford it)... =]
+Jeric Tamayo (Momentum33) Oh I forgot - boost with the C-SC is like 2PSI at 2000RPM - for example - & increases to max advertised(less piping & intercooler loss)at max RPM... I once saw a listing for a SC for a Honda Fit with similar data - if I can find it I'll put in the link...
Summit Racing! I hope you can help me out. I have a Bonneville SSEi. Its already quick enough stock but I would love to get more power. What would be the best modifications to gain the most power, and safely upgrade without any possible damage? Also I would love to get my supercharger to whine a lot louder!
Hi gjg50, We carry Cold Air Kits, Pulley’s for the supercharger and tuning (HP Tuners) for the ECM. Give us a call and we can help you with the part numbers you’ll need! 1-330-630-0240. We look forward to your call. Thanks for watching!
I currently own a 2009 370Z that is bone stock with 83K miles and am looking at having a centrifugal supercharger installed. I've done some research and am still learning quite a bit about forced induction for my car in particular. My question is, would it be a good idea to add a supercharger (or any kind of forced induction for that matter) to a vehicle with that kind of mileage? Thanks in advance.
Marco Deuce, Generally speaking, in most cases a stock motor with good maintenance history will be fine with a power adder at low boost levels such as 5-6 psi. It will have a considerable difference in power as well at that boost pressure. Anything higher than that really starts to add stresses the motors were never really designed to withstand and should be modified accordingly!
seems like a turbo would be a little easier and less expensive to add on? still new to car tech but also looks like less materials as well, im sure they can go both ways price wise but just the basics what would that equal out to compared to each other?
Is it true that turbochargers have the tendancy to wear out stock engines? If so, what needs to be done to the engine to allow it to function properly with the addition of a turbocharger?
Sculpture Junkie, Any part that is improperly installed or misused can be detrimental to your motor, give us a call and we can walk you through the process.
i need that turbo for my vw bug , i used a 60-1 now, and i am ruining, 10,00 at 135 , thanks for the video, take a look at my videos you can go for a ride, thanks for the parts to
No I mean one like what's sitting on the table in the beginning of this video they have one for the old 4.0 but what about the 3.7 that thing would sell like crazy
Rober Heath Well if you are lazy and not to much cash a root super charger if you dont mind doing a lot of work and spending a lot of money twin turbos
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You forgot to mention ,
TURBO GOES SHHHHUTUTUTUTUUUU
CHARGER GOES MWEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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haha yes! supercharger sounds funny
and centrifugals do both. ayyy
hhhhhhh like WEEEEEEEEEE
hahahahahah made my day lolol
They both have their ups and downs. In general, if you want instant, brutal power at low gear with great acceleration, get a supercharger. If you want tons of extra boost while accelerating from 50mph, go with a turbo.
zach m you sure, i think a turbo would also increase acceleration at low speed, sice it depends on the rpm
Kasam it does, but most dont spool up till around 2.5 or 3k rpm. blowers are always making boost
I hope you know that turbos are built alot better and there is just about no lag with a good tune superchargers are pretty much a thing of the past cool looking and do work but they only give you low in power and torque soon the nitrous Motors will be ahead of turbos
What have you been smoking ?
maybe your thinking about a screw supercharger ive heard that about them.
there alway using nightrous to get a 10 1/2 second quarter.
but you know nothing when you say roots blowers are a thing of the past.
and that turbos beat them up .
They might get them in the right powerband for a second but then the car shifts and it aint got shit and the roots blower intercepts .
mind you i have a little 144 against the biggest and baddest turbos
and have not lost yet !
I imagine theres a few out there that would beat my little blown 350 .
But theres plenty of big blowers on bigblocks pulling 3 minute quarter miles just waiting LOL.
seconds exuse me
some other differences include: The turbo being capable of producing a much larger ammount of boost than superchargers in comparison to size and efficiency.
Boost can be much easily adjusted with turbos than superchargers and can even be adjusted within the vehicle cab while driving providing you have an in cab boost controller, whereas with a supercharger you cant adjust the boost without changing the drive pulley to a bigger/smaller one. (correct me if i'm wrong)
also lagg issues can easily be resolved, i found that turbo lagg is only a real problem with automatic transmissions whereas with a manual you can launch on boost and the bigger the engine the less lagg you get with turbocharging v8's there is little or even no lagg due to the high ammounts of exhaust driving the turbo/turbos. (No need for correction, Spoken from personal experience)
Thanks for sharing this great educational video, i'm sure it's helped alot of people.
Hi Blaize K-H ,
Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge!
superchargers give you better low end torque and better throttle response. its worth it over turbos
analanalyst thats 100% correct
depending on the tune, turbocharged engines can also be made to respond instantly and also for low, mid and top end torque while being efficient.
turbos on v8s are becoming extremely common because of this.
Blaize K-H like the new mercedes amg's and bmw m's have definetly solved this problem. i still think a supercharger is the way to go though
analanalyst superchargers are not made for really high speeds but good at low RPM/s i think but not sure though
It seems like the turbo was an after thought in this video.
True
its summit speaking... cmon now they are all about muscle/show cars
I've noticed from these comments a lot of people don't understand this at all. Turbo's are better for track and four and six cylinders. Superchargers are better for drag and eight cylinders and higher. To turbo/ supercharge a car with high psi and high power, YOU WILL NEED FORGED INTERNALS. This will cost a good 1000 dollars or more. If youb opt to buy one anyway without doing this and run high power. Your engine won't last nearly as long and could blow up while driving. A blown engine means you will have to replace your engine. Also go with smaller upgrades like exhaust, intake, clutch kit, short throw, better carb if you need one, and chip upgrades if you will spend more than what the car is worth. If you have a 3000 dollar car don't buy a turbo kit. Also cars that are fwd are risky adding this much power. If you add to much hp to fwd you will get torque steer which sucks ass. Last and final point, don't buy ebay turbo kits!!!!! They are trash and don't add good hp.You are not getting a good deal, you are just getting a shitty turbo. A good turbo or supercharger will be a few thousand dollars or more. Ebay turbos will blow apart. They are all made in china more or less. ITS YOUR CHOICE THOUGH BUT BE WISE ABOUT INVESTMENTS LIKE THIS
OnTheEdge OfGravity just want to say that superchargers can be quite good for track when there are lots of twists and turns due to faster power recovery compared to turbos
Thanks for the info! I have a 2013 Honda civic SI, and I would like to get a turbo kit. Which one would you recommend?? And what parts you recommend me to change to get the max power out of my k24? Thanks in advance!
Your Right. There is a lot more involved than just bolting a turbo or supercharger on a vehicle
Yeah average dim wit will twin turbo on a stock everything, blow parts and complain, everyday.
What if I buy an Ebay turbo kit and then rebuild it with a kit made for a quality turbo? Wouldn't that be the best of Both Worlds? The internals is all that really matters right?
What if you install both in your car?
that is called a twin charger and you'd have one fast fucking car
funkierfawn budgie
If it's an all out boost war you want, you would be better with only the turbo. The supercharger would only slow down the potential flow. (If your turbo(s) are properly sized the lag issues are also no issue.) In the end it comes down to what you hope to accomplish. Sounds like you want a ton of "flow", so turbo is the way to go!
funkierfawn budgie you could blow the engine and if you don't keep up with oil then a piston or two could shoot out of your engine
funkierfawn budgie that would be awesome! both supercharger and turbocharger!
funkierfawn budgie I think the Zenvo st1 already does
Awesome vid explaining the differences to those who don't understand or still had questions about the different styles and types of chargers. Wish I could post a pic of my set up but I have the Vortech V3 centrifugal SC on my 2011 Sierra 4x4 and absolutely love it. With just the blower, long tube headers and of course custom tune, got her from a stock 220 rwhp to 400 rwhp. Most likely will put a SC on all future vehicles.
Thanks for watching Kody Dupre!
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The turbo lag can be avoided by just putting a smaller turbo. As far as turbo lag, turbo are so advance now in days that if you make the good combo there should be little or no lag to the turbo...
+melendezcobra45 indeed
my roots 144 is about 15 years old and ive raced new deisel turbos even a new spooled turbo that was on a camaro with a 502 and my little 350 with 144 supercharged in a 6000 pound 76 chevy blazer
prevailed it had power but it shifted and i blew by,
low rpm is not the turbos freind even with a stall converter.
melendezcobra45 what is turbo lag?
time difference between throttle push and actual acceleration. Lag frustration alone is worth assessing your options...I hate it
This guy seemed nervous.
The thing about turbos that annoy me is the lag. I'm in a turn with no boost and then BOOST!! and my back end starts coming out.
Brwnleaves have u driven a turbo car or are u just using this example cause you have heard someone say this before
tomjw7 It was a diy turbo'ed 85' mustang and the boost was set at 3500 rpm so when you would downshift the boost would kick in and the back would (theoretically) kick out bc power from the turbo. We were trying to build a drift car and we couldn't figure out why the turbo was holding out.
did u ever figure it out
tomjw7 yeah our custom intake manifold didn't seal so we were losing power initially when the turbo would start spinning. That also explained the low pressure reading on the dash.
[StoneBato] kudos on drifting a foxbody
Turbos heat the intake air more(risking detonation more)... Turbo manifolds are restrictive, especially when compared to headers which can be used with Superchargers... The strain Superchargers put on the crank can be countered with lighter cranks\flywheels etc - the centrifugal ones anyway... Superchargers are the BEST...
Turbo manifolds are not to restrictive stock truck manifolds can make a 1000rwhp , and you can use headers on turbos by using front facing headers or rear mount turbos and a trubo blanket with heat wrap will keep your intake temps down along with methanol and per lb of boost turbos are the more efficient than a supercharger also a proper turbo set can put more tourqe down than your avg supercharger with little to no lag amd still be slightly less abusive than a supercharger.
Turbos get much better mileage, they have a much higher boost capability, they're infinitely adjustable, and for a street car you can drive all day and never have to use boost, rather stay in vacuum, for cases of slick raining roads, etc.
Some screw type superchargers have bypass valves, which allow you to stay out of boost and not use the extra power.
thats what they were designed for economy and the turbo doesnt even come on unless the engines under load
thats why in rally racing they powerblock the car to keep the load but it causes a lots of people to brake and gas at the same time the car starts hopping over and understeering till they find themselves in a realy bad wreck.
Personally, I would go with a super charger because that suits my driving style the best. I'm a full throttle, pedal to the medal kind of guy, so I want and crave that instant power. I won't say that one way is better than the other because there is no one right way. In the end it all depends on car and driver and mainly what the driver wants the car to do.
Great video bro.. I’ve never seen anyone so exited in my life! Love the enthusiasm
I think a key advantage to a properly setup Turbo build is that you can also have an electronic boost controller and thus be able to have different settings for the street and strip.
With a super charger you often have to either upgrade super chargers or change the pulley. I have seen some "variable boost" super chargers but they do not seem to have caught on much.
Also a turbo will often get as good of gas mileage as being N/A
Anyway I liked learning about the different super chargers, it would have been interesting to see the internal difference between a screw and roots style blower.
To those who are still confused, the turbocharger shoves air into the combustion chamber giving you more bang which means you'll have high acceleration but eventually looses some of its power in high speeds and gears.
The supercharger is attached to your engine belt, what does that mean you ask? It means your engine will scream at higher RPMs, you'll have more horsepower and a higher top speed, since your engine is spinning round and round even faster you won't start gaining speed slower.
It depends on the situation, if it's a drag race, use the turbo... or NOS. If it's a track I recommend the supercharger
rynousa yea, backwards lol
+rynousa yeah thats what i was reading earlier a turbo does better at higher rpm thats why it has a lag and the superlcharger usually doesnt give you as much power as the turbo but its better at lower rpm and it builds from there.
+Densel Moore lets get something straight here, a turbo doesn't necessarily mean high rpm. Also a difference between them is turbo is more effecient. Supercharger for drag, turbo for track, not the other way
my little 144 never stops pushing not even past 10000 rpm
you guys read to much advertizing propaganda
that what they said about the new screw blowers .
but you heard the summit guy say they got no top end.
turbos have a tough powerband but then they shift and thats where the real lag is .
even the spoolers .
That helped me decide on what to use and build my future track/drag car with. Very informative.
Thank you Nathanael!
Nathanael Johnson what should I put in my Ferrari 45B Spider
Nathanael Johnson what should I put in my Ferrari 45B Spider
jonathan vazquez I'd put a turbo to be honest it's truly hard to say but for a monster boost even with a little lag and no horsepower loss it'd be a better choice in my opinion.
jonathan vazquez plus Ferrari 45B is a foreign mussel/tunner so like I said in my opinion I'd put a turbo.
I wanted to make a correction on the video just so people aren't misinformed. Turbochargers do take away power from the engine. Energy is required to spin the propellers and energy cannot be created nor destroyed. The pistons have to push the exhaust gas more in order to spin the turbocharger's propeller. Although it is less than superchargers, turbos also have parasitic loss.
I hope in a future video you can make this correction so this doesn't spread through the car communities.
They don't take away energy because what spins the turbines is the exhaust gases
Your just restating
It's slighter harder for the engine to complete the exhaust stroke, however most of the energy comes from the blow down energy of the heated exhaust gases leaving which is typically 'wasted into the environment' without a turbo.
Personally I still think superchargers are better because of instant response and more induction at lower rpm but it's all application dependent. For my application I want to accelerate from a stop in a straight line as quickly as possible.
Negligible power loss. The turbos develop inertia and spin on their own. The exhaust just keeps them spinning.
I have a simple solution... USE BOTH :D
Siggy Cloud There are cars that uses both. The first car to do so was an 80s sort of supercar built for a special category of Rally that required only 200 roadgoing cars to be built. It has the shape of a small 3 door car like a golf but its only a 2 seater with a mid engine, plastic body and 4wd delivering up to 550 bhp for rally.
MC Taipan I think you're talking about a lancia delta?
Yes Lancia Delta s4, It gets easily mistaken for the Delta Integrale.
MC Taipan I wouldn't call a Lancia road going. from what I heard they have a bad reputation for breaking down.
Yes thats true, but this was a very special car, search for Lancia Delta s4 or s4 stradale. the 200 roadgoing versions was made only to get up the number to make rallyversions.
The best form of turbo vs supercharger that i can think of is on the early airplane .
the old prop planes could only go 1500 feet off ground the turbo pushed them up to 3000 feet.
a small 142 gmc blower drove them up to 50000 feet..
its a air pump cfm and density competition and as you can see supercharger doesnt just win.
It crushes the competition!
Couldn't find all 3 types of superchargers to include in the video?
I know right?
Glad to see this guy say the truth. Turbo mos definitely is the better quality💯💯💯
So I play this game, it's called Forza Horizon 3, basically a arcade racing game, where you can tune cars and stuff. And now I want to make the best drag car possible. What would than be a better option a turbo of a supercharger?
I always keep it simple, 4 - 6 cylinder cars get a turbo, 8 cylinder cars get a super charger. Also, don't get a non turbo car and try to turbo it. You waste a lot of time just to find out it would have been better to upgrade your engine via engine swap. Always just get a car that is already turbo and upgrade it to be able to withstand a bigger turbo, much easier process
Both create heat, make the air expand. Use NOS, where you are condensing the air, pull nothing from engine, need not wait on RPM's to move more exhaust, just hit the button and you have INSTANT power.
do you guys ever make videos on screw blown hemi's vs "let's say" a twin turbo proline I dunno I know the difference and why there faster than on another but alot people have been questioning why all these screw blowers promod are coming into no prep racing and walking all over everyone I really feel if you guys went into detail on how a screw blown hemi worked and what kind of performance they produce compared to small block twin turbos or big block nitrous like Steve Wiley of Texas grim reaper went to okc to Armageddon and the fastest cars couldn't touch them and do the screw blowers really create down force on the car as they go
which provides better acceleration? Turbo or Supercharger?
great info, but why are u so nervous bro
It's harder to have a conversation with a camera than with a person, few takes, and not scripted...
There is 2003 mustang cobra twin charge.... Turbo and roots together... Crazy
You also forgot that with the right set up you will have 0% lag with a turbo or you can set up an anti lag system and with a turbo you can make 2x more power and sounds better at boost and blow off...
Possibility of Supercharging or Turbocharging a 2008 Honda Accord 4dr LX-P ????
what would be the best for 84 blazer, lifted big tires, off roading, mudding and beach
+taylor ashlock ,
Either one would work well for you!
supercharger because the lag of the turbo could cause issues
most comercial trucks are powered by turbos and at the national truck races a gmc truck running a little detroit with a little wore out and retired supercharger got took out of a garage flat smoked every body with athority it was awsome ,
the little truck was from the 50s and had to warm up for awhile just to get the injectors working
LOL My father inlaw was the previos owner I helped TOW it home and get it running LOL
It was up against the newest turbo tech LOL
I like this quick click videos. Can you guys do another video about cam's street and strip style please.
Thank you, Laurence Oliver ii! We have a few videos on camshafts, both mild and aggressive. Here are the links to the videos:
Camshaft Specifications | Summit Racing Quick Flicks - Camshaft Specifications
Race Camshaft, Street Cam, RV Camshaft: What is the Difference - Summit Racing Quick Flicks - Race Camshaft, Street Cam, RV Camshaft: What is the Difference
sweet thanks guys !
HEY I HAVE A 2008 NISSAN 350Z AND I WAS WONDERING WHAT I SHOULD DO, TURBO OR SUPERCHARGE IT? THANKS FOR THE INFORMATIONAL VIDEO TOO!
Hi Minton Jeff,
Unfortunately Summit Racing does not offer a kit that would Turbocharge or Supercharge your car. A kit is definitely the way to go though; because it includes everything necessary to make the installation complete and as easy as possible. Usually these kits will also offer the mandatory re-tuning of the computer that must be done! Thanks for watching.
Thank you so much and I learned so much.
Which turbo fits 3.8 v6 engine since there's too many turbos out on the market
So I'm building my ranger into a desert racing truck. I've heard that both shouldn't be used beCause debris can come up and possibly break the pieces. Also the heat from them. But I'm still leaning towards buying a supercharger for my truck. Any input on if I'm dead wrong or somewhat right? School me on this. Thanks and appreciate all these videos you guys make. Very helpful
Gabriel Alejandro,
Either option will have its share of compromises and fabrication in order to make them work out for you. Turbos have a lot more plumbing (piping) to do and roots style chargers have potential hood clearance issues. The choice is up to you provided you are willing to do the work. Just keep in mind that in a sandy dirty environment that top notch air filtration is extremely important to make either of these chargers live.
Very nice informative video man. I really want a turbo in my 2012 mustang 5.0! I love turbos. But I'm in Cali and all turbo systems would make my care smog illegal. Sucks!!!
Thank you for watching!
Have you looked into the Edelbrock Supercharger kit that is 50 state legal? The kit makes 559 Horsepower! The part number is EDL-1588, here is a link to the part: www.summitracing.com/parts/edl-1588/overview/
Please let us know if you have any additional questions or give our tech line a call at 1-330-630-0240.
If you have two of the same cars, same weight, same areodynamics, same engine, completely identical other than the fact that one is turbo and one is super, would one necessarily be faster than the other ?
Also a supercharger won't hurt the exhaust note like a turbo charger does, because it isn't using exhaust gas.
How about using both? That's a possibility too right
Yes! However, the process is complex and very expensive!
+Summit Racing I have a 1998 Camry v4 what supercharger will fit? I heard a eaton m45 will fit but I want to make sure? Thanks
Two things:
I know that you can have multiple turbochargers on a car, and even a combination of a turbocharger and a supercharger (twincharger). But what about multiple superchargers?
Also, what is the difference between a traditional turbocharger and a variable geometry turbocharger?
Thanks.
Hi Jarek,
Yes, you can have/use multiple superchargers. It just adds cost and complexity to the drive belt system. A Variable Geometry Turbocharger (VGT) has computer controlled vanes built into the exhaust (hot) side of the Turbo. Varying or adjusting the position of these vanes allows quicker spool ups and also engine breaking in diesel applications. There is lots of info online about these or give us a call, we’ll help you where we can. 1-330-630-0240. Thanks for watching!
Also supercharhers typically cost more than triple the price of turbos.
which would be better for a brz
+Darion Murray ,
Can you give our tech line a call? We need some additional information from you. 1-330-630-0240.
+Darion Murray most likely turbo
Darion Murray or you can just buy a real car
Darion Murray get a supercharger for better power on turns, brzs really only need 40 more hp to be perfect imo
its a light and a well built car which can be done a lot to. there is a reason why there is a lot of after market stuff for the brz/frs/86. turbo or supercharge...it'll be a great car to be in.
There's some good info there but they also missed some important stuff and were incorrect on some other stuff aswell
Centrifugal seems to be the neutral between turbo and roots.
Can you have supercharger and turbocharger on the car. Will create more horsepower?
If I had a 2007 dodge charger do u believe the turbo charger will make it faster then suppercharger? And which one will use less gas?
if you can get good horse power from your supercharger setup ide go with supercharger all day. turbo lag on a tight track or the street can break your runs.
What about a Supercharger for 4x4 applications, Ex. F250, 4x4, 460 BB?
hi I have a 4th generation z28 with 115k miles. I plan on a tune up and headers and new exhaust first before I get a turbo or super charger I wanted to know which would be better? I think they both sound nice but rather go with what would be best
Joshua Gonzalez,
Generally, a centrifugal type supercharger are easier and least expensive to install.
Summit! I need your input! I have gone completely stupid and want to build an 08 mustang GT with a twist. I want to power it with a 5.4 Triton 3v! I know it's been done and it's a challenge but, I live the 5.4 3v. it's a good solid engine and can make lots of power. I'm wanting to build it to be a nice car to show off and take down a strip every once and awhile. im definitely looking in the 800+ hp range and am wanting your opinion on a supercharger or a twin turbo. I'd love to pick your brains!!! please gimme some feedback!
p.s I know I'll have to build the low end to take the boost. I'm not a newb, I'm just stepping out of my box to challenge myself with this build.
Which one would be better on a stock 4.8L vortex in a 01' Chevy Silverado?
so naturally aspirated is different from turbo & superchargers right?
Canute yes. NA means no turbo or super :)
Which one is more fuel efficient??
I have a 2002 suburban that has 335k on it could I still put a turbo or supercharger on it or will it blow up?
I have a 06 police 3.5l charger, nothing done other than the tune, suspension from the department. The modifications I done are a K@N drop in filter and a custom after market exhaust. what in your opinion would be a good choice. A super charger (of so, which type) or a turbo charger.
+Anonymous,
A Centrifugal type of supercharger (Paxton, Vortech, Procharger) is much easier kit to install most times than a Turbocharger kit and generally lower cost! Don’t forget the computer tuning, you’re going to need it!
What are your thought's on the twin (spools) screw's of the Edelbrock E-Force S.C's? I'm thinking of putting one on a T/A "392" automatic. Edelbrock states that the 6.4L Hemi has a strong enough bottom end piston's & rod's?
Should have given efficiency averages and ranges for the 4 types along with any increased maintenance requirements.
How would a turbocharger affect an air-cooled engine? I have an older volkswagen that uses an air cooled engine, and I'm interested in putting more power into it. Would the engine still be able to properly cool itself with the increased power? I have also heard that turbochargers are better for fuel efficiency as they don't waste fuel at lower speeds. Is this true? I don't want to have a terribly fuel inefficient vehicle, but would not mind sacrificing efficiency to increase the top end if that makes any sense. These may sound like dumb questions but I am uniformed. Advice on the matter would be greatly appreciated.
Roasted Goldfish ,
Air cooled motors can benefit from a low boost charger system. Anything high boost, high volume of air would indeed comprise its cooling ability. As for fuel efficiency, that’s a matter of the type of fuel delivery system and the weight of your right foot! :)
I'm going to be buying a 1998 Ram SST soon and I would like it to be well into the 400s or possibly 500 in terms of horsepower (stock is just under 250). Which would be better for me?
Hello Summit, thanks for the information. I am think about getting a kit for my car. I am in California and I was wondering if using one of these kit I will still be able to pass the Smog Test. Thank You.
Hi edgarmambou,
Can you give our tech department a call? 1-330-630-0240. We would be happy to help! Thanks for watching.
So I'm not an auto technician but I'm curious . Can you install a turbo and a supercharger on one vehicle ?
+erik acosta ,
Yes, this can and has been done but, it would require a highly modified engine in order to handle that kind of cylinder pressure.
Turbo whilst more efficient and powerful, Supercharger is always the sexier.
Well no not really turbo has alot of lag. It depends on who drives the car.
which is the best turbo or supercharger
selva Manoj turbo all the way👌🏽💯
Is it possible to supercharge a v6 Silverado ? Is it worth it
I have 2018 mustang ecoboost looking to make the car little better more faster and add some more power hp which one would be the right one ?
how much can you increase power of NA with roots/screw without need for intercooler on a front engine ?
you dont need a inter cooler unless its over 100 degrees and your pushing more than ten psi.
thats a roots though I dont know about the screws
I have a 2011 GMC Sierra stock can I put a turbo with all the stock components or a supercharger? Or what should I upgrade with either?
you want to hear one fine turbo sound, listen to a RB25DET or any of the skyline RB engines, or the supras 2JZ GTE
What would you recommend for my 96 4.0l six cylinder ford falcon T5
Hi I wanted to know if you let your car sit for about 4 days is that bad on the turbo. Will the oil lines still be fed oil properly to run par ??
so if i have a small car with a small engine the turbo is going to be better and it'll be better for drifting is that it?
I'm still new to superchargers and turbochargers. I think I want a centrifugal supercharger because it's easier to install for a beginner and smaller too. But I don't really understand the concept of parasitic loss from the horsepower? If for example I have a mazda with 2.5L 184hp, how much hp is lossed because of the parasitic loss? And if it's a centrifugal charger, will it increase by boost after a certain rpm like 3,500? Before it reaches that amount, will my car run slower until it hits that rpm?
+Jeric Tamayo (Momentum33) The centrifugal is the best option - you are on the right track(keep going)... The loss is due to added strain put on the crank in order to turn the charger... Modern SCs induce less strain - PLUS - you can reduce rotating mass elsewhere in the drive train to compensate for loss, with lightened flywheels, internals, pulleys etc... I can talk more - let me know if you want more points(& use an intercooler - I would, if I could afford it)... =]
+Jeric Tamayo (Momentum33) Oh I forgot - boost with the C-SC is like 2PSI at 2000RPM - for example - & increases to max advertised(less piping & intercooler loss)at max RPM... I once saw a listing for a SC for a Honda Fit with similar data - if I can find it I'll put in the link...
+Jeric Tamayo (Momentum33) ,
Can you give our tech department a call? 1-330-630-0240. We would like to discuss this with you.
Thanks for watching!
Which would be better for a silverado 1500 4.8?
Summit Racing!
I hope you can help me out. I have a Bonneville SSEi. Its already quick enough stock but I would love to get more power. What would be the best modifications to gain the most power, and safely upgrade without any possible damage? Also I would love to get my supercharger to whine a lot louder!
Hi gjg50,
We carry Cold Air Kits, Pulley’s for the supercharger and tuning (HP Tuners) for the ECM. Give us a call and we can help you with the part numbers you’ll need! 1-330-630-0240. We look forward to your call. Thanks for watching!
Is it possible to install both a turbo and a super chager
I currently own a 2009 370Z that is bone stock with 83K miles and am looking at having a centrifugal supercharger installed. I've done some research and am still learning quite a bit about forced induction for my car in particular. My question is, would it be a good idea to add a supercharger (or any kind of forced induction for that matter) to a vehicle with that kind of mileage? Thanks in advance.
Marco Deuce,
Generally speaking, in most cases a stock motor with good maintenance history will be fine with a power adder at low boost levels such as 5-6 psi. It will have a considerable difference in power as well at that boost pressure. Anything higher than that really starts to add stresses the motors were never really designed to withstand and should be modified accordingly!
procharger?
This was very helpful, thanks a lot.
Thank you for watching, *****! Let us know if you have any questions.
is there any way we could improve efficiency of supercharges??
You also forgot to mention that turbos are better for small displacement engines
seems like a turbo would be a little easier and less expensive to add on? still new to car tech but also looks like less materials as well, im sure they can go both ways price wise but just the basics what would that equal out to compared to each other?
Mustangandtang,
We need some additional information from you. Can you give our tech line a call at 1-800-230-3030?
Thanks!
skip to 3:28 for which one is right for your application
Very informative guys. Thanks!
Thank you for watching, denimdragon!
Is it true that turbochargers have the tendancy to wear out stock engines? If so, what needs to be done to the engine to allow it to function properly with the addition of a turbocharger?
Sculpture Junkie,
Any part that is improperly installed or misused can be detrimental to your motor, give us a
call and we can walk you through the process.
Summit Racing Oh, I see. I'm not in the market for one just yet, but when I am, I will, thank you.
what would he the best for built 355 sbc in a 82 Chevy shortbed? can't make up my mind on which one.
i need that turbo for my vw bug , i used a 60-1 now, and i am ruining, 10,00 at 135 , thanks for the video, take a look at my videos you can go for a ride, thanks for the parts to
Best video ever bro
No I mean one like what's sitting on the table in the beginning of this video they have one for the old 4.0 but what about the 3.7 that thing would sell like crazy
Should I keep the supercharger in my Hellcat, or should I put in a twin turbo system
Twin charge it, basically drop money on a turbo (and an intercooler if you don't have one)
+C. Kendall ,
Well, that car makes a good bit of power already! But, if that’s not enough then the answer to your question is pretty clear!! :)
What do you recommend for a 04 mustang gt
Rober Heath
Well if you are lazy and not to much cash a root super charger if you dont mind doing a lot of work and spending a lot of money twin turbos
can you put a supercharger and a turbo also?
Will i get engine wear from having an centrifugal supercharger ?
What's best daily driven? Not looking for huge power just a bit more (frs)
UmmmmRamos ,
Vehicles are produced at the factory with superchargers or turbochargers all the time! Both work very well in daily driven applications.
u should have tell us which wins at the finish line
Which one would be better for a subaru brz?
i have a nissn 350z supercharged can be driven without tune using stock injectors and stock fuel pump?
What about Axial and Scroll superchargers?
what better for a Lexus SC400 a turbo or charger??