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- Why Harley Davidsons are the WORST motorcycles to get.
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Do you still have the shirt 👚 (wear gear don’t have a fu$ked up day) I’d like to get another one
I have ridden sport and naked sport for 30 years but I say the anyone with the cojones to ride the streets and freeways on two wheels (safely and sanely) deserves our respect and support. I wave to all riders.
When it's 36 degrees out and I need to make a run to the bank or store on one of my 150cc scoots I never see Mr Macho Man out on his Harley 😅
🤣 I did once and I was surprised he did not have icicles on his face. lol
Guns OuT
@@CycleCruzaWe didn't get "shocked" because of your recent purchase, we just got "shocked' because you kept saying it's a bike and then you end up revealing a battery operated bicycle lol. There is a huge difference between the two. Just tell us the truth, that's all.
@@EEEBA1Believe it or not, the word ‘bike’ has more than one definition.
@@Kyle-dz9bm Possibly, however when you tell bikers you got a new bike what's the first thing that comes to mind? Exactly :)
It's like saying I got a new car and I open my garage and you see a little go cart lol.
The only real motorcycle that Harley makes is the Sportster. The rest are land yachts that can only turn money into noise.
The new sportster isn’t bad looking but with that exhaust, you might as well just get a triumph
My late father (who was afraid of motorcycles his whole life) told me, “You need a Harley.” I told him my paid off Triumph is just fine.
Just like you will never buy a supermoto
Same video you already made 15 times? Lol
I have to say, here in the greater Detroit area most of the Harley Davidson guys are more laid back. I got compliments from them on my Kawasaki KZ550, and my Suzuki Intruder 800. Most of these compliments were at a Blessing of the Bikes events. Obviously a nicer crowd as a whole. There are definitely alot of Dbag riders out there that think their motorcycle is the best. That’s just childish. We should enjoy all aspects of motorcycling.
I will say most of the encounters I had with Harley riders were positive. Most were good dudes but squidding like a mofo. To be honest, you get dbags that ride some sportbikes too. I just don't see the value with most harleys tho. The V Rod was their best bike, too bad they didn't keep that bike going.
@@CycleCruza I agree, most Harleys are overpriced. The Vrod was their best bike. Some of the custom Vrods I’ve seen are just awesome looking.
Last time I was near Detroit "Taylor MI" some dude oncoming on and HD like maybe an FXR popped the clutch and did a 12:00 Wheelie down the road at 30 MPH.
@@mikeskidmore6754 Holy cow. Was he wearing gear?
@@CycleCruza The V-Rod was very heavy was poor at cornering and had terrible brakes. I am sure there are plenty of them for sale used. I could not find one used R-7 however or even a wrecked one .
Bro stop caring what other think. I have a harley and wear full gear always, even an airbag vest. Plus, you always ride alone so who cares, don't let other people's opinion limit your motorcycle experience. We have been with you for almost a decade and will still with you regardless of that you ride brother
I was recently searching for a motorcycle, and while I've always leaned towards supersports over cruisers, my perspective changed when I sat on a supersport for the first time. I quickly realized that the more relaxed seating position is much more comfortable for me. I did consider a Harley, but I didn't feel like I fit into the Harley scene. Ended up getting a Honda Shadow 750 and I love it. Im so addicted to riding now. I've been subbed for almost 10 years...safe to say you were one of the people that inspired me to ride.
I was riding to 2 hours away from home to a fishing spot - stopped at McDonalds, met this guy and started chatting. He said never to buy a Harley, and never ever join a club. He has two Honda Goldwings.
What gets me about some of the Harley riders is the stuff they wear like chaps and tassels. Those chaps remind me of that dude in the Village People. YMCA
I ride Harley’s and no lots of people that do, and none of us wear that crap.
@@billsheppard2433 They certainly have at least in my area. Harley even sells that crap, google "Harley chaps" They would not have it if it did not sell...
U b a broken record. Same sht over and over.
The truth never dies tho. However, I used to talk mad shiz about KTM and so far I'm impressed with this 690 SMC R but what I said was true.
@@CycleCruzaThat's interesting. Where I live we never had any issues with Harley riders in fact a lot of them ride with us sports bikes all the time and many of the Harley Riders own another bike or two that's not a Harley.
They are always way nice and always wave. I can't imagine those things you're talking about. I have never experienced any of that in many years of riding. I met some of the nicest people on Harleys.
Ride safe everyone!
@@EEEBA1I have seen what he’s talking about. Where I live, down in the south, for the most part, the Harley riders are cool. But there are these guys who have earned the title “Rolex Riders”. They are the snobby Harley riders who look down on bikes and bikers, if you’re not riding something that lives up to their standards. And those same people will never wave at me on my dual sport. I have friends who have Harley’s and are cool. Heck, I use to own a Harley. But I don’t think I’ll ever buy another one. I’d rather ride a Honda Phantom over a Harley. But right now, I couldn’t be any happier on anything but a dual sport.
@@airadaimagery692 Well, that's too bad and sad. I have never experienced anything like that here where I live.
“How are things on the moon?” 😂 I love that clip.. never gets old. BTW traded in my Ducati for a Harley. Over priced and somewhat unpractical but it’s awesome.
I bet that dude doesn't work at a Harley dealership anymore. lol Years back I got contacted by Harley headquarters and they offered to fly me out to California to test out their latest Harleys. Honestly, I wish I could have but I was caring for my late g-ma at the time.
What Harley did you get ??
@@MrWolf2212 2023 Softail Standard last July. I have a CDL and can’t lose it for work. The Ducati was impossible to ride slow due to it being so rev happy. The Harley is so chill in any gear where I can tool around like the old man I’m becoming.. Wondering off with an ice cream cone like Biden.
@@HyperSpaz the Biden comment 😂😂😂😂 I also have a CDL class A and been thinking about getting a Breakout. I currently own a MT10 SP and it's hard to ride it at the speed limit.
@@MrWolf2212 Breakout is awesome.. But if you live near or enjoy the curve carving I’d recommend something else. Straight roads in style the Breakout can’t be beat 👍. The class A will have a better chance of surviving the Harley over the Yamaha in my opinion.
That's interesting. Where I live we never had any issues with Harley riders in fact a lot of them ride with us sports bikes all the time and many of the Harley Riders own another bike or two that's not a Harley.
They are always way nice and always wave. I can't imagine those things you're talking about. I have never experienced any of that in many years of riding. I met some of the nicest people on Harleys.
Ride safe everyone!
Thank you for finally saying it. I am a Harley rider and I am sick of people just saying we’re garbage people because of old stereotypes. The vast majority of Harley guys do not fit these stereotypes. I personally have a 2003 softail deuce, a 1984 Ironhead, and a 1973 Honda cl350, and I wouldn’t completely write off the idea of some day adding a sportbike to my collection.
@@billsheppard2433 Absolutely. We need to unite and not divide. Ride safe!
These videos are stupid. Dude says he’s not hating but he’s repeating stereotypes and bs that he’s heard. The way he laughs at his own jokes says it all.
I recently got back into motorcycles.
And was wondering what happened to a guy I use to watch back then, and when I went to your early videos, and I found out you're the one I use to watch with the 2008 CBR600.
Felt good knowing your still here, keep on riding man.
The HD culture seems like a cartoon with the pathetic tough-guy image. Just like the guys with the lifted pickups with big tires and loud exhaust. The ladies call them "compensation trucks." Guys trying to make up for their "short comings!"
But not all Harley riders are like that. I personally ride Harley’s and know lots of people that do, and I wouldn’t say that any of us fit that standard. I would say probably 1 out of 10 guys do. Most of us are just normal humans. There is also a sportbike culture too you know. Breaking laws and acting stupid for fun. But again not all of them are like that. All of it is just a bunch of stereotypes set years ago.
@@billsheppard2433 Being a balding middle age white guy I was told I was only allowed to buy an Adventure bike.😁
That squid wasn’t even on a Harley. 😂
🤣 eh looked like one. haha You see so many Harley squids in Ohio they all blend together.
I noticed that too. It looked like a Honda Valkrie.
You couldn't give me a HD! When I was looking at buying my first bike I went into a Harley dealership wanting to look at the sportster and 883, they would not help me, they would not let me sit on any bikes, would not give me any prices because I was just shopping for a bike. Worst experience ever! I went down the road to the Kawasaki/Indian dealer and they welcomed me in let me sit on bikes, gave me prices, etc. I ended up a few months later going back and bought a Ninja 400.
I picked up a like new wr250r yesterday with 400 miles on it. I’m now on the path of becoming a cycle cruza.
My r 1 is still in the garage. But I had more fun on the wr yesterday then I ever do on the r1
I’m disappointed. Wanted cycle cruza on a low rider S or something
He needs to ride one with a good cam bars seat and exhaust
Cruisers are more expensive because they are larger bikes and use more materials and more expensive materials. You dont buy a cruiser for the speed, you buy it to cruise. I wouldnt take a harley over a mt07 in the twisties but on a highway ill take the harley everyday. I agree about the harley dealers and culture. They are maybe overpriced new but you can get some good deals on used harleys.
Ive owned a mt07 and i liked it a lot but i couldnt ride it for longer than 30 minutes without hurting my butt, also the wind blows you around on it and it does not feel safe going over 80 mph on the highway. On the harley i can ride for hours without a problem. One of the big advantages of harleys are the customization options and aftermarket support. With harleys theres a million modification options and you can really make your bike unique whereas with the naked/street bikes, theres a lot less you can do to make your bike stand out.
Lastly, the sound. The sound of older carb'd harleys cannot be matched by any japanese bike. I loved the sound of the mt07 with an exhaust but older harleys still sound better.
Other companies make touring bikes cheaper with all bells and whistles.
I knew you were going to bring up the dealership thing 🤦🏻♂️. That was a few years ago, let it go. Not all dealers are the same
His next bike will be a Harley Davidson. A bagger! Watch… 😂
$80 bux for a yamaha oil change? that's kinda insane tbh. i only changed the oil on a small bike and it's easy, but.. $300... lol, it was $40-70 for my old cars/trucks around there. the choppers are cool, i like any of them better than the Harleys that passed you. I'd rather ride a honda fury, my problem with that is you can't see the RPMs, idk what kinda bs is that lol.
I own a CBR650R and a HD Nightster Special. I ride that thing like a sport bike. I always have HD people tell me I'm bold for riding my bike the way I do. I started on a sport bike, its hard to stop riding bikes that way.
When you made the video about wearing gear in hot weather, I knew you never road an air cooled V Twin. If you road a big air cooled bike with a windshield in 100 degree temperatures during rush hour, you’d be shedding gear. I just took the windshield off my Indian with this heat, I needed the air flow to my chest. I like the dual sport life too. I got a Kawasaki KLX 300. That bike is a blast.
Why would you let what other people do influence what you want for yourself? Give yourself permission to experience what you want.
All my experiences with Harley has been negative so far. lol I'm still getting calls from the Harley dealership from four years ago.🤣 I bought my mt-07 at a harley dealership. I was like naw man I'll take that MT-07 instead.😂 Oddly, the dealership sold only MT-07's (other than Harleys) in a dealership full of Harleys and it was their best selling bike and was always on order.
You were disappointed when you rode the Harley, as well.
Yo Cruza, when are you gonna vlog on that new 690 so we can hear that sweet exhaust on the street? Thanks bro
You’re thinking of the stigma culture. Look at brian636 and his sportster doing wheelies and tricks. Don’t think what others think Harley’s can be anything not just the bagger cruisers.
Hey Cycle Cruza what kind of a cheap plastic armored shirt are you wearing. I had one that was mesh and I could get a sun tan through the mesh. Then a Deer ran out in front of me while I was going 55 MPH in broad daylight on a hot August day ..
I took a 50 MPH slide down the road and ripped it all up. I got a bunch of road rash on my left forearm.. Got holes in my T-shirt underneath in the belly button area.
Now I have a Know Mesh Armored shirt that has actual Anti-Abrasion mesh. I have never taken a slide in it but I assume it won't get ripped up like the one you are wearing would.
I slid down the road feet first with one arm trapped under my stomach.. The hard plastic protected me in a couple of spots.. but that mesh isn't any more durable than a cotton T-shirt..
My Leather / Neoprene Gloves got shredded but they saved my hands.. After seeing how badly the Neoprene area's failed .. I wear all Leather gloves now with Carbon Fiber knuckles and wear pads ..
If you take a slide in the dirt biker and skate boarders shirt you might end up having and F____ed up day .
I can't justify a Harley. Friends have told me to get one, just don't like em. For all the reasons you listed.
He is just trolling 😂😂😂 that mt7 can’t take my panam
He’ll still pass you when your bike enters limp mode.
A follow up on the ktm 690 with the new exhaust pleeeaaaaseeeeeeeeeee.
Drive Safe, Much love👊
Weird. I’ve never been accused of being “uncool” by a Harley guy while out riding my KTM Super Duke. Strange!?
Only a matter of time cyclecruiser 😂😂😂
Went from a gsxr 600 to a lowrider st and I’ll never look back.
My cousin has a lowrider and loves it. Supersports get lame on the street after you get over speed phase as a rider. Also, cops bother you on the supersports/superbikes.
Buying a motorcycle is a personal choice. A lot of factors come into play when choosing a bike. The type of riding that you like, the looks of the bike, the power, the sound, etc. Other people may try to convince you to buy the bike that they like or they ride, but in the end it’s your money you’re spending and it’s your choice. You know you bought the right bike when just by looking at it, makes you smile. It makes you smile when you sit on it, it gives you joy when you start the engine and you hear the sound. You forget all your problems when you ride it and gives younthe feeling that everything is ok. That’s how I feel when I ride my Harley, and I’m sure that’s how you feel when you ride your bike too. Just be happy with what you have. We are all bikers and we should all respect each other regardless of what we are riding. Ride safe everyone. Peace!
Said the same exact thing about KTM. Made an entire video on it.
Yeah I'm sick of people acting like you're poor if you don't own a Harley 💪My motorcycle is paid for free and clear and looks brand new. I bought a blue and black last make of the line 2008 Honda vtx 1800 t for $5500 and it has 16 thousand miles on it and I added custom seats and updated to led lights now have $7500 invested in it and it's all I need with plenty of power to blow past most Harleys🤣 so Ride whatcha like and F the Hatters, they are just mad because they have a damn mortgage on that over priced Harley 🤣
Riding a harley is equivalent to driving a Lincoln Continental like my grandmother. The irony is they think theyre cool on it (insert cyclecruza laugh).
What do you ride? I bet it’s sooo cool.
I test drove a new Breakout recently. It's a beautiful bike, but in my eyes it's not worth it $23k plus tax and fees. My Yamaha MT10 SP was much cheaper and it came with more features from the factory. I left Harley dealership slightly dissapointed that day.
operating on 50yr old info. mans said he'd beat a vrod as if thats the cream of the crop still lol
People either hate them or love them. I have no use for any of the modern day computer operated motorcycles. My 99 Harley Softail Custom Has been trouble free. In 67,000 miles I replaced one stator. The rest is just routine maintenance. My Harley looks like a motorcycle. But then, I am 83 years old and ride for a different reason than most. I am happy cruising the back roads around where I live.
I started riding Harleys in 1955 when I was 14. My first one was a 1942 "45" flat head. So, my personal preference is older Harleys. No fuel injection or water cooling. I love the simplicity of the older less high tech machines. To each his own.
I went to Panama city beach, there was a whole Harley apparel and accessories store.
Before getting my last bike I went to Harley to look at a Sportster S. They had a few used, likely repoed, ones on the lot. They wanted 16 grand for one and wouldn't budge on price. Another thing that turned me off was how old everyone was there. I'm 47 and felt young compared to all the old heads in flip flops walking around the lot. They're gorgeous well built bikes that have been ruined by toxicity and greed.
All the Harley riders in my area are older guys with beer guts trying to act hard.
i dont know the types of people you have around your area, but i own a z900 and an HD sportster 883, and everyone that has talked to me when riding either one just complemented me on the ride. im a larger guy at 6'1" 255lbs, so i look kind of too big for the sportster, but it has a very distinct feel over other bikes. its a very comfortable laid back ride. i would only get rid of it for another (slightly larger) harley.
I've seen a lot of this myself. And how are things on the moon? Totally something I would expect one of them to say smh
Cycle Cruza: It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow!
Also Cycle Cruza: I don't want a harley because they're too slow!
A V-Rod has 122 HP and it weighs 595 LBS, so you might have trouble outrunning one on that MT07. I bought a Goldwing from a Harley dealer and they called me 4 years later...That squid was on a Honda Valkyrie Interstate
Until you hit any twisties
😂 im just now thinking about getting a bike and my cruiser friends cant stop saying ill only be happy with a cruiser. i know what i want, but the gatekeeping has to stop!!
Been there, done that, the cruiser life was good for me at that time in my life. But the 600 class is for me! I will never commute on anything else. However, I want to add a dual sport to the mix...
im not into the club house bikes either. there’s only a few people i don’t mind going out of my way to help out. life goes by too fast to make myself open to all the club antics.
How bout the new Buell Super Cruiser?
Hey man, you need to change it from ugly truth to just the ugly opinion. A lot of things you’re saying is not true.
Every dollar i earn i have to lay bricks to get so one thing i hate is wasting the money ove worked so hard to get. Thats why i own two mt07s. One for me and one for wifey and we absolutely love them. We ride them everywhere. Commuting, long trips and everything in between. Best bang for your buck around
I see now why Cruza doesn't get a Harley. His family members are saying "when is it time for you to get a real bike". If somebody told me that, my response would be "never." The right reason to get a Harley is because you want one, not anything else.
I had a 12 pack of cans on my tank just going for a ride to mommas house about a block away.
Dude pulls up on a harley
Says, "hey man is that legal?" (My beer box)
I say, if it had a leather bungie with a Harley logo on it, it would be! 😂
Test rode my neighbors 2013 CVO BO with a stage 5 for $14,500, 2300mi, black diamond paint, vance and hines pipes. It was nice, sounded nice, but my crimson 2015 Yamaha Raider S 240 rear, rode better, and cost me $7250. I did not see/feel twice the price, for more chrome and louder sound, with a severe loss in hd reliability. I ride that raider like I stole it, and it seems to run better than when I bought from an older gentleman who babied it.
i agree with you about the culture. their dealerships suck, too. i wouldn't buy a new harley they're way too expensive. if you're capable of doing your own wrenching there are bargains on older harleys. the advantage to harley over every other brand is that you'll always be able to find parts and when your riding days are over you'll be able to sell the bike.
Where I’m from they call the snobby Harley riders “Rolex Riders”. They not all snobby though.
honestly i go with what fits for me, look and sound but i wouldnt pay the extra $$ just because its a harley.
I just don't see the value. I was going to buy one just to share the whole experience even if I felt I was wasting money. However, I did the same with this new KTM 690 SMC R but seriously impressed.
One thing I will say I like more about Harleys though or I guess it could just be applied to cruisers in general is that they’re more fun and comfortable to ride in groups with or at least a few people. I absolutely hate sport bike riding groups because everyone’s ego gets to them and they think they’re all of a sudden a superbike legend and have to show off and haul ass and do wheelies and all kinds of stuff like that, which is why i only ride sportbikes alone now.
I see a lot of people dissing on Cruza's comments. I think what he says is true and not true. It is true of a lot of Harley guys, but certainly not all of them.
Hogs are only good for transporting pawgs
I said the same thing. Then I got a 22 street bob 114 a month ago, and I’m coming from sport bikes and super motos. and no, it’s far from perfect from the factory. But the aftermarket parts are unlimited and the customization is endless. Try a low rider or fat bob, and customize it
Be a rugged individualist buy a HD, then you ride down your street and see all the other individualists with the same bike you have 😅
lmao i had a yamaha dealership call me a year later about a mt-07 if i was still interested, mind you i bought one elsewhere in a different state, i was surprised that this guy was till reaching out to see if i wanted theirs lol
I bought my first Harley a month ago and I definitely agree with you. If you buy a Harley you are definitely paying more for the culture. I didn’t understand it 100% until I got one. It’s definitely different once you own one lol. I always thought people who bought their shirts are corny, but I have bought a lot of them over the past month lol. Also the poker chips you collect at each dealership. Like I said you are definitely paying more for the culture lol
I’m predicting 2027 you’ll own a Harley.
The whole james dean cool ideaology is such a sham.
If you buy a Harley, you are required to buy a doad with it.
I'm a harley rider, been riding them since 1972, difference is I'm still riding the same bikes I had in the 70s and early 80s, been coast to coast several times, I ride em till they wear out, do my own rebuilds and wear em out again hahahaha. I'm positive I've ridden over a million miles.
To me my bikes are just transportation, usually ride alone, no clubs, wave at all bikers, no need for speed or pushing the limits of physics.
you can not broad brush people. some of us own both. being bad has nothing to do with what you ride it has to do with the heart
Come on Cruza you know how much you want and HD so you can hang out with the Cool People. I got my Buell just so I can Humble all the HD guys who spent $7,000 on Engine mods and my stock Buell is still faster.
That must be one hell of a Buell. I’ve never been beat by one at the strip on my 97 sportster. Hammer power.
Here in the Pacific Northwest, owning a HD is like having the key to a social club. Restaurant, bar/tavern, and HD dealership gatherings so they can 'socialize', then do a little riding. None for me thanks.
I'm an introvert and a Lover of solo adventures...just me and the BMW doing our thing, much of that time being many miles from home on the open road. Perfect
I ride solo in Washington also. I find most Harley guys wave.
You did make some good points about the bikes themselves that I could not really argue. Price=power ratio, maintenance is always a consideration, even brand new you'll be looking at oil changes and tune-ups. If you're like me I may need a new rear tire next season,.... just sayin. These are all things that WILL be cheaper if you go with Japanese. However on the other side you're looking at a company that has lasted, gotten better reliability, and a large after market. with what appears to be some new vision coming into their R/D department. all positive direction in my opinion
Harleys are like Corvettes, Japanese cars are more affordable but not a Vett
Terrible comparison, Harley would be more similar to a school bus, no power, can’t corner, terrible brakes and suspension, poor performance.
Acura NSX. Bye.
@@keithquinn5624Full showa suspension and brembo dual disc brakes. Some bikes with 150 horsepower. Not really sure what the hell you are talking about.
@@billsheppard2433 lmao ur gonna compare the 1 bike the pan American? Are you actually defending them? Lmao! We’re talking about cruisers. Not the 1 bike they made and it failed.
@@billsheppard2433 not the 1 adventure bike they built
No Harley riders are talking bad bout your bike. That's in your head. We don't care what u ride as long as u ride!!
You are absolutely right about everything.
I love my new Honda CL500 scrambler.
You nailed it when it comes to HD. HD's sales floor are empty while their service is probably backed up due to repairs. I am about as likely to buy a HD as I am a BMW, it's just probably never going to happen. There are not any good reasons to ride a huge heavy bagger on city streets and that's why every HD rider I know has said they have dropped their bike. I am a sport bike guy like you and the only guys ever trying to race me are HD guys, I am like I could smoke you but why. Keep being you CC, been watching you since I started to ride and you keep it real.
I;'d buy a BMW before I would buy a Harley. At least BMW has some really fun bikes. When I was on Superbikes the HD riders used to blow by me with disrespect. lol I used to return the favor but now I just laugh and let them have their little moment. Thanks for being a long time viewer. I appreciate it. 👍
I find your channel among one of the best motorcycle channels out there. I even enjoy some of the e-bike content. Keep the videos coming
Harleys are like Corvettes, Japanese cars are more affordable, but not a vet!
I'd never buy a HD either. A lot, not all, but a lot of HD riders are NOT motorcyclists. They are HD riders. That's it. There's no other bike except the HD. While a REAL motorcyclist enjoys all if not most 2 wheeled vehicles. There's a difference. AND when I would ride next to my buddy on his HD and I was on a Katana, HD riders coming the other way would wave to my buddy and quickly grab the handlebar again as to NOT wave to me. Then they probably go home to their VW Jetta. Just my opinion.
I made a old skool motor cycle chain belt from a HD primary drive chain. I gave it a nice buckle. I like it. It didn't come from any store AND I like Hondas better to ride. I heard about a guy that took a Goldwing across Africa and not a HD
The best bike is the one your keys start up. No time for BLOS like this dude
I don't care what anyone rides. I like all bikes and have owned many brands but I just like the way Harleys feel when I ride. I couldn't own anything else
What is this bike? Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki? Hard to figure out. You can't confuse a Harley with another brand. They keep the value, tons of aftermarket mods, easy to fix, fun to ride. +50 C outside, no problem. And you don't have to look like a Power Ranger.
So much for knowledge . I'm too big for that small bike . Being 6 feet at well at times for many years, being 340, there was not enough room for me . Harley's are great, but junk at the same time . Now horsepower was never about these touring bikes . It was about torque due to carrying your payload . Now, I'm not a fan of the new motors . To this day, I'm an evolution fan or twin cam . I'm not a fan of street riding anymore . I prefer riding off roads these days . I'll travel still but major routes only and secondary roads . So their more to do and things to explore . What's really going on today ? How much trouble can one get into riding respectfully even on well you know . Super mottos are cool but not set up for the terrain I want to be in . Like this for instance . I now have a 1990 350s and it's nothing but fun . It's big it's power on the street decent enough but it shines in the woods . It's light at 280 . With a 6speed so you can play with the gearing more . And just is an incredible trail bike . Yeah the suspension will do the job but if speed and jumping more will inquire a better suspension . But it's comfortable for what it is as well . My last bike gonna be a 650L or a DR650 . My little DR350s going nowhere . I'll give up a little performance for reliability all day long . Especially in the woods . KTM/HUSKY/450L/ and bikes of these nature , these beasts are fun but you can't expect long life without some issues . Give me a lazier motor . I'm not racing anyways . Dirt bikes are in a class of their own . But put a tune on the 650L and a better carb you will have a off road horse without a doubt . More than enough power on the bottom and mids . Their again who looking for more 10 h.p. on a single track ? With more headaches then a women can give us . And that's alot my friends .
my local HD dealership is dead nowadays, i have a 2023 mt09sp but took a nightster for an a hour long solo test ride, not impressed, poor suspension and handling, headers and exhaust got so hot, my mt09 is so much better, and cheaper!.
i own a few bikes, a 75 kaw 900, bored, sleeved, and tuned, with a schnitz racing head, and 44mm lectron carbs. 130mph+, 9.6sec, 1/4 mile.
then i have an 87 and an 89 vt1100cc shadows, and my daily ride is a 2012 hd fatboy with a 103b, 6sp.
in 08 i bought a 1200 sporty, put big jets in the carb, and yes, i heard i was riding a girls bike.
i laughed and said really, here is my title, lets see your title, and i'll beat you stop light to stop light, never a taker.
next was an 07 softail custom, 96cid, 6sp. gave it back, didnt ride well, and was under powered.
the sporty got to 100+ faster than this fatboy, but you sit well, rides well, pretty to look at, and an attention getter.
nothing wrong with a sporty, the s series is supposed to be fast.
i have one issue many riders dont have. i'm 6'5 i dwarf most motorcycles.
Beautiful bikes, the history demands respect!! The cost and the culture is why I'll never own a harley... The disrespect to other riders is real. I ride a VTX , I'm constantly reminded i ride an imposter harley!!! I'm humbled by the knowledge, but I love my bike!!!
I'll let Grandpa hold that Title. I'm in the Visceral Ranks RN.
Any motorcycle is a good motorcycle if you genuinely love riding
Don't own a Harley or any technically motorcycle. Maxi scooter actually I own. But to spite Harley could look into an Indian motorcycle. But from what I've seen on the stunt community they do make decent power, Harley's do. Keep up the good work
I'll never buy 1 cuz of my local Harley dealer had the WORST salesperson I've ever meet. I had every intention of buying a new bike from em, but that sales rep legit was on the floor laughing cuz I was wearing full gear and a Alpinestar airbag vest. All awhile the jerk was wearing shorts where you could clearly see his road rash on his legs from the street cheese grating his legs from a lowside. I legit turned into a Karen and told his boss that guy just lost you a 30k or more sale. Honestly I wonder how annoyed Bill Harley and the Davidson brothers would be with the state of Harley Davidson now.
C'MON, BROTHER!
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I think I would give Harley more consideration if it wasn’t for the image of cosplay surrounding its culture. Unless you have a diamond patch, you’re doing cosplay.
Oooh! Iron 883 Stage 1 has the Power... lol
I would only buy a Sportster S or a PanAm from Harley. I just don't see the point of an air cooled motorcycle that costs a bazillion dollars. I'd get a Kawasaki W800 long before an air cooled Harley [and for WAY less money].
As a Harley owner, I don’t give a damn. Ride what you want.