Hey everyone, quick heads-up on the intro: The flags and game comparisons you see were added late in the editing process and, honestly, I missed it before we went live. Totally my oversight there. Just wanted to clear that up and thank you all for pointing it out. We’re all about getting it right, so I appreciate your sharp eyes! Keep the feedback coming and thanks for sticking with us 🙇♀🙇♀🙇♀
I was going to bring up how you used Saints Row: The Third footage and Saints Row: The Third was created in Illinois and published by a studio in California.
Interesting because it's because of the same China the whole World was playing Famicom. Now Communism and in between Socialism to bridge after the Democracy. I will lose my income but if we are choosing between Space and Living on Earth with Broken Capital and Large Volume without Quality...then it would be great if they do it again but I know that it will be the sub level of PS3. America lied, it made people around the world to suffer , all the worst in humans happened in Capitalism which is not sustainable anymore. For more than 7 Times it was falling and last time China repaid American debt and became a larger % partner in every Big industry...I will stop here because the rest was written a long time ago by Marx and Engels. It's time for the Revolution. No Spaces Traveling for educational purposes only movies and conspiracies with high level l of uncertain situation and Decay of everything from infrastructure to buildings and bridges and Human spirit. NO more Made in USA . 🧱🔨
You gotta do a follow up on Chinese copyright infringement for EVERYTHING PC related! Microsoft gave up trying to go after Chinese copyright infringement - blatant illegal copies of Microsoft and Adobe software were being used by large Chinese corporations and even in public areas such as public transport and ad displays. In China if it can be copied it will have been!!!
@MaxTheAnnoyer224 quick bit of research, they own 16.25% of the shares, but Kadokawa are still over 50% shareholders. Looks like just an investment for Tencent, so it's unlikely to affect what Fromsoftware does.
I lived in China from 2011 to 2019 and the console ban wasn't really a thing. It was just a surface level verbal ban without any teeth to back it up. I remember buying a PS3 and PS3 games during the 'ban' from a store, not from Taobao. Hell, I even bought Diablo 3 at the time and Diablo 3 was supposedly hardcore banned. You just had to call it "Big Pineapple 3" to find it in a search because 'Big Pineapple" in Chinese is pronounced "Da Bolo" which kind of sounds like Diablo. Chinese use all kinds of tricks like this to circumvent bans. I remember when people were asking me how I played on Steam because Steam was banned in China but again, never banned.
True! Seeing how other commenters correctly pointed out that she falsely portrayed Zelda as a US game (it's Japanese), and falsely stated Saints Row being a Chinese game and a clone of GTA (which is also false)... She failed at basic research, and doesn't know anything about those games she mentioned, lmao. Check her reply to SVPortfolio's comment where she admits this, and then kinda edited it out later, but many more such outright lies persist in her entire video, lmao.
I don't know what your background is in journalism, but you make banger videos. I however disagree with the author of that blogpost. Plagiarism is not an art, copying something verbatim is easy. Remixing, building on, and improving existing concepts in a way that resonates with more people than the original, that's an art.
Some years ago, i was speaking with an German Artist that lived and learned in China for like 3 Years, she did mention why they always do the plagiarism, well she did say, its their way to embrace Art, like they are literally schooled/indoctrinated, to copy everything that is good and improve on that or something like that, She mentioned, Artists learn to copy everything the master does. They really do not see evil in their doing as we westerners see it. They absolutely see it as a good thing, something to appreciate... Its another world so to speak...
@@たなかたろう-u5w @jimmy, the flag could simply be showing the region of the game is playing at that time. That does not mean it is a Japanese or Australian developer. A lot of games (especially older console titles) have different roms for different regions.
Do you think that with more Chinese citizens becoming aware of the knockoffs and wanting the real thing we are seeing a shift? Like what happened with Blizzard games being temporilary banned and now coming back.
Good question! Yes, absolutely. Chinese consumers in general (the younger ones in particular), are prioritizing quality over let's say affordability. There's a shift towards 'premiumization' - (source => shorturl.at/jJFfs) The Blizzard case is really complex and has more to do with their tight-and-then-relaxing-and-then-tight-again regulations (and international business strategies). The knockoffs will remain, but there's a clear trend for sure towards more, what we woudl call, authenticity.
@@BelindaErcan Hi, the URL you provided is unavailable. Also, I'm pretty sure there is a prioritization of affordability in general, especially among younger generations, as a result of the economic decline.
Genshin Impact its the biggest example of how China could also create huge trends and now with honkai star rail, they maybe be the exception not the rule.
Its a process remember when Chinese phones are considered cheap knockoff? And now Chinese EV. We are already seeing an increase in original games from China, and its a no brainer that this shift from imitation to innovation will continue. Made in Japan were considered cheap and bad quality and now look at them. Im def not a fan of copying others work and the Chinese especially in gaming rn is still doing a lot of that , but yeah a lot of Chinese people particularly younger Chinese players are disliking this behavior too
Innovation? Wtf are you talking about lol China has never did anything for gaming never made a franchise never created anything of value Now because they take from already trash game like league of legend all of a sudden they are great ? 😂 Riot is trash they cant make good games get that in your skull fraud and so is china
The video is well made and edited, but I have a feeling that you and a lot of people in the comments section have this feeling of China being a monolith where the government and companies work in lockstep together- when this could not be further from the truth. I think psychologically people tend to think this way because of the cultural and societal distance between us, not to mention the rise in anti-China sentiment in the media which tends to make the audience psychologically group people, corporations, and the government together in an us vs them mentality. As someone who has people I know who live in China, in reality, the government has far less control than you would expect and is often at odds with gaming companies like Tencent. Not to mention that large conglomerates like Tencent also often plagiarize or bully smaller devs in China as well (not dissimilar to companies like Zynga or EA in the west). When it comes to regulation, there are not necessarily set rules like "no blood", "no skeletons", etc., and often games that people think are banned (e.g. HOI4) are actually only sometimes delisted from Steam or other storefronts. This also has to do with the people as well- of course there will always be super patriotic people, but in reality quite a large part of the population are a lot more critical of the country and government than you'd expect. In general I think it's easy for us in the West to paint China as this very alien, opposite nation where everything is different, but in reality, the relationship between government, corporations, and people are not so different from the West- especially after they had embraced capitalism.
Agreed. I already noticed it on the video about Nutaku, but this person is more interested in creating well-edited narratives that appeal to the viewer's psychological blindspots, than they are in depicting the truth of matters, even if it leads to statements that are only "believable" and which are just based on subjective impressions, minor things, or just wrong facts: -Hollow Knight and Zelda are American? -a poll on youtube with 70 likes as some kind of relevant thing to establish the causes as to why China companies copy games? -"In China, the community is growing tired of it all!" followed by a pseudo steam reviews bombing (4 screenshots) for a game that sits at 56.22% on Steam etc This is probably because she's more motivated by viewership retention on her videos rather than a genuine interest in gaming, and the reason why she's cooperating with a company specialized in making money on youtube like N8Wealth. imo she's threading a dangerous line between informative/factual/interesting content, and buzzlike/marketing/out of thin air BS content presented as matter-of-facts that will come bite her back one of these days if she keeps doing it. But oh well, I have to admit this is still better than 90% of gaming journalism right now... As someone once said: "For every piece of media a journalist puts out there, there is an expert on the subject somewhere in the world who is grinding their teeth in frustration from it."
Chinese CCP government does oversee EVERYTHING ... that is the truth. You cannot release something for large Chinese public consumption unless the government says so.
but in order for your business to grow in China you HAVE to have connections to the CCP. Including gaming companies, in which after growing to a certain size, they're required to have CCP branches within those companies (黨支部), where they can also interfere with certain decisions and operations.
I have to point out the first couple chinese single player games you pointed out(Monoply etc) are made by Taiwan companies. They hardly have any relationship with what's on in mainland China. The most copy paste period is when browser and mobile games were booming. It was a crazy gold rush.
Here in the Philippines, Mobile Legends is VERY huge. I've also played it for a couple of months during Covid, and I can see why people enjoy it. (I've played League of Legends since 2012). It's a bit frustrating that Mobile Legends receives more support in the competitive scene than Wild Rift (Mobile version of League of Legends), but I can understand as to why it's more popular than Riot's mobile game. Really great video, you earned my subscription!
Dyson Sphere Program can be considered an innovative piece made with actual passion from China, even if inspired by factorio. But that's the only one that comes to my mind out of the hundreds of chinese games out there. Great video as always, you are the best
What you're pointing out is one of the reasons why I'm so happy to harp on the majority-every-other-time China just soullessly steals/copies: It ruins the perception of authentic effort for things like what you mentioned. It's sad, you can taste the authenticity but it's masked by all the BS.
Well that is the clear difference since it's inspired by other factory games rather than just repainting an original one and passing it off as their own. It's why it's such a damn good game
I can add Will: A Wonderful World, which is a Visual Novel/Adventure game where you play some kind of fate goddess and get prayer-letters from a collection of people that detail a series of events leading up to them pleading to you, which you can then rearrange the order of events of to change their fate (which gets more complicated later - the logic puzzles become pretty hard). Their stories get increasingly interwoven, and completing their most desired outcomes is not always a positive, especially since the depiction of events is biased from their Point of view, which is fine as long as you don't end up getting prayed to by a serial killer with a severely warped and fragmented perception of reality - but that would never happen, right?
The only issue I have with the video was was with the closing remark. While it sounds good, it doesn't make sense if you think about it cause journey to the west is about going to India to speak enlightenment. I understand that point was that "West" is used today to refer to Europe and North America but it felt abit less researched than the rest of the video which was unfortunate. Great summary of what's happening in the Chinese video gaming industry tho. I still remember when mobile legends was big around 2017
Also, not trying to diss the lady here, but ... various gamers have commented that the various games discussed/shown are actually not Chinese, but Japanese, etc and even from the US itself. Quite a few things are off here, possibly because the scope is way too wide to be properly researched. I was put off by the Journey to the West ending too, given that I am a Buddhist, and it is a real story actually of how the monk struggled to make it to India for the scriptures. The monkey god Sun Wukong is actually the personification of Hatred, th e pig god Greed, and the sand monk being the personification of Delusion, the 3 poisons in Buddhism. Journey to the West is culturally the "4 big books" of Song Dynasty, which was almost like the peak of Chinese culture.
@@Chengyuan79 And what does it matter if she's a lady or a dude? I don't care if an article is written by a tentacled Martian in a cave, I only care if it's factual reporting. I don't intend to ever meet the Martian in person, the same as applies to any journalist I ever read in my entire life (and the feeling is surely mutual). So it could be a talking stone statue, or a wind wispering through a secluded valley beneath a full moon.... I would still fact-check and see if it's biased or not. I missed the thing with the games (my favorite genres are 4X and CRPG, which aren't popular enough to be widely cloned so far). But the biggest issue I have is deliberately omitting the word "censorship" in lieu of "cultural adaptation", "cultural fit", "cultural context". Any more nice euphemisms for nasty things?
Let’s see how Black Myth: Wukong performs. It seems competitive in both artistic quality and creativity. It’s funny how China’s tech industry in the ’80s and ’90s was synonymous with knock-off clone products, and now it is able to push innovation.
yep, that's why companies buyout each other, for the tech, like when microsoft bought out nokia for their patents etc. Until anti-trust/monopoly laws kick in lol. Same reason why the US gov went after Toshiba and Alstom, for their tech/patents. Same reason why the US tried to go after Huawei, and now TikTok.
wait after its game's success and the game company it's in would fold and become just another game cloner company once Tencent/CCP has full grasp on the company then on. Classic move in China.
It's wild that you're a small youtuber with this kind of research and quality. I hope you stick with it, this is some of the best gaming coverage I've seen.
The focus used to be making video games for passion and fun. But now it's become profit first over anything else. Even as far as copying someone else's work to make money.
On a related topic, it would be interesting to see a video on how Hoyoverse managed to break out of the China market and become a global brand. They're now so successful that they're (allegedly) able to get away with content that's technically against CPP rules.
to a certain degree they can, yes. Like having more feminine men in their games (hello Venti and Lyney), or women in positions of power (especially in the not-china that is Liyue). Hell, a lot of themes in the story are exactly what ccp wouldnt like, frankly speaking, and yet here we are. Yet big chest on girls is not always a good thing, so they had to make them smaller sometimes, and tone down on some design choices, but thats a small price in comparison to... pretty much everything. but honestly, its a combo of good quality (despite people calling it clone - it has only some things from zelda game, most of it is actually pretty unique to itself) mixed with circumstances. Remember - genshin came out when basically EVERYONE had nothing to do thanks to covid
@@SorarikoMotoneits still a clone lmao the core mechanics are the same gameplay also trash You wont fool anyone all live service games are doing this scam of not imrproving the gameplay/core mechanics and just releasing skins pixels and bundles/gambling And the exploration sucks the world is bland with nothing to do Open world gamed in general are garbage but this one take the crown
@@DOGEELLL "core gameplay" my darling, nintendo didnt create neither gliders, nor running or climbing, nor even stamina meter, all these things existed prior to botw. By your definition - botw is a heavy clone of shadow of the collosus and any open world game that came before it. The horror - its time to cancel botw for being a clone fr fr! Also - are you really 💩ing here on open world games, in spite of botw, rdr, and other games being world wide popular? Talk about being minority of a minority person with 💩 opinions. And even then - you are incorrect in saying that "core gameplay" is the same. Combat is different, puzzles are different, story (which is one of the main point of the game) is not only different - its even told differently. Also "pixels" my guy - all videogames selling you pixels, gacha games are predatory, yeah - but genshin is one rare instance where you can completely ignore gacha and still have fun for years. Hate all you want - but a "💩" game wouldnt be this popular of the game was actually terrible, ya dumarse.
Contrary to western popular misconception, the government doesn't strictly enforce the laws on digital media (the government is full of out-of-touch boomers, like everywhere else). Gaming companies have to consult the government and get approval before releasing any content, so all the contents that get released is compliant with the law ("technically" or otherwise). What often complicates this process is that "activists" (extremists) groups will organize mass brigading, flood reports to the government, and try to fake a big controversy if they get offended. This will usually prompt the government to react and this is exactly what happened with Genshin (and many other Chinese games). The law is incredibly vague and isn't enforced equally across the board, just look at Azur Lane as an example.
There are also a difference between clone and inspired by that this person dont get. BotW and Genshin have too many differences to be called a clone. Different worlds, story and game mechanics. Hearthstone and Sleeping Dragon however is so similar that the later game lost a lawsuit to the former. Thats a clone.
@@thegamerfe8751 nah, even 1.0 was already differentiating itself, thanks to combat system alone with elemental system plus a lot of other small things. The only thing that is similar is traversal, and even then not always
@@thegamerfe8751 you think the game started as BotW clone? miHoYo started developing Genshin in 2016 as a Honkai Impact spinoff, BotW came out in 2017.
If I can make a laundry list 2 pages long about the similarities between the 2 then it’s a blatant rip-off. The only people defending it are diehard fans in denial. And the sad part is it’s not just blatantly ripping off one game. It’s honestly sad
The video has a good overview of the Chinese gaming industry, but I have a fair share of critics on some of the talking points. I was in the industry between 2014 and 2019 and I felt like several details weren't depicted correctly in the video. 7:59 Honor of Kings is Tencent's MOBA game, Tencent didn't "face lawsuit". Instead, They filed multiple lawsuit against the maker of Mobile Legends, which is MoonTon, on the behalf of their subsidiary Riot games. Your storytelling made it sound like Tencent was the one copying and got caught while they were actually the one defending copyrights for League of Legends. I think you don't know many intricacy inside the gaming industry. It also relies too much on emotive conjugation and intrinsic bias. The video used a blog post (6:45) to prove China has a "copying culture", ignoring that the blog poster faced huge criticism, so the blog post explained he added his own take on the existing formula, so his work is more about inspiration than copying. He or she used the Chinese word "plagiarizing," but he/she was saying this ironically. So the video basically misinformed the viewer that can't read Chinese. 12:21 about Arena of Valor was strange too. I was part of the testing team on this product. The reason why Arena of Valor used the Western mythos was that Tencent thought that people between West and East had "no shared cultural literacy," so they were reluctant to use Chinese mythos. However, players' feedback indicated that Western mythos is overused in the media, and the story was not compelling enough. In 2024, Tencent republished Honor of Kings to the global audience with original Chinese characters, and it received much better than the Arena of Valor. It proves that shared cultural literacy is not necessary for a successful game, but compelling world-building and interesting character designs are. The video also tries to connect everything Chinese with the government. Making video is games is compared with making fighter jets (3:43), or expansion of the state power as if all these games were made under the state directive. As the blog post dev said, he or she was trying to make a living by making video games, not following politics. Saints Row was used as an example of a copy of GTA, which was done by an American company. We have countless clones of hero shooters in the States. Will you write titles like: "United States' plan to clone the entire gaming industry"? Only Chinese people get attributed as a monolith block of "China," which is Orientalism. This China = Chinese people = Chinese government = Chinese culture talk point really just facilitates more anti-Chinese mentality than helping people realize the intracity.
Its content like this that you hope to find when you're doomscrolling to end said doomscrolling. Hits the spot with how full circle it is. Insta-sub tier right here. Appreciate the "way" you're doing your content.
Fantastic dissection of the industry and the direction it might be headed. Honestly I'm so glad eyes are opening up more to what's happening. BUT 6:18 I wish you'd have given Tokaku a wee name drop or something considering you gave her an introduction is all!
Saints Row is American, not Chinese. Also it’s literally a parody of GTA, not simply a clone. And GTA is British, not American, but you have an American flag on it for some reason.
@@BelindaErcanGTA explanation: Rockstar has a British subsidiary that’s fascinated by American culture, that’s who makes GTA, not the main American branch.
The western “Karen” journalism does a lot to accidentally market Chinese games as well. Black Myth Wukong ended up on a lot of people’s wishlist when games journos started trashing it.
Huh how come you didn't mention genshin impact at all? Or does it not happen to fit your narrative so you didn't mention it when you were talking about the top games played around the world? 14:30 oh wait you did mention it, so I guess you didn't know Genshin Impact is a Chinese made and operated game?
Yeah it was strange to me how it wasn't mentioned more, sure genshin was heavily inspired by botw but it's grown to be something very distinct and unique on its own. I did feel something off with the video
She also never used the word "censorship" in her entire video, only "cultural adaptation", while describing heavy government censorship and inviligation of citizens. That is not an accident.
Wow this video clearly took a lot of effort. Mostly explained the things that I heard as rumors around gaming community and you shined a better light on them I would say. I am a teacher in Asia and my students are obsessed with Chinese clone games like RoV (Realm of Valor: Garena's version of AoV) or Genshin Impact that I always tell them these are cloned from a better game and it's better to experience the real game.
Those original games doesn't exist on mobile, which is the primary way of gaming in China and other developing countries. Try opening your viewpoint outside of rich countries. This is why HoK, MLBB, Genshin Impact, and Honkai: Star Rail made billions. People literally doesn't have access to expensive consoles and full-priced games.
Genshin isn't a clone of anything. People initially thought it was a clone of Breath of the Wild but once it released they were completely proven wrong. Different art style, gacha, relics, character quests, release schedule, no shrines, elemental combat, tons of playable characters, character switching, multiplayer, and more completely set Genshin apart even if some things are mildly inspired.
@@zex992001 the only things game "copied" is stamina (which zelda never created), glider (also isn creation of zelda) and some of the traversal movement - but overall the game is its own thing (and if anything - if genshin is botw clone, then botw is shadow of the colossus clone). the elemental system, the story, the characters, majority of the combat, gearing is its own thing. only morons still stuck with nonsense from before the release of the game say its a clone, when in reality - there is an inspiration, and the devs admit to it (cuz they are literally gamers, DUH), but there's a lot on top of it and its weaved together with QUALITY you cannot see in most games, be it chinese or western slop. i am in no way saying zelda is bad - but both games have their own identity and space to reside in, and both are made with quality and genshin can show you that IF you actually decide to play it and not bark because "china = bad". And thats not to mention how much mihoyo does for their people via charity.
@@SorarikoMotone The graphics, the sound effects, the gliding, the stamina, the artstyle, what do you want more to be Zelda? I'm not a Nintendo fan or Zelda fan, I'm just a gamer and I played many games in my life. Genshin Impact IS Zelda with added micro-transactions for kids to grab money from them. The whole mix of these with open world is Zelda and Genshin Impact wouldn't exist if Zelda didn't exist. I don't agree with you. If Genshin Impact was trying to be its own thing they could add extra mechanics to their game other than switching characters. Their multiplayer could be way better than just 2 people going around doing daily missions. Genshin is just cheap Zelda.
1:56 just wanna say that filming your child crying for whatever reason and posting it on social media for other people's entertainment is CHILD Abuse. It's not funny. And I'm so blessed to be born in the 90s when nobody had smartphones.
ah yes, lets just mention genshin but not honkai impact, or azur lane, or snowbreak, or arknights, or many other games that are their own thing compared to western games. while its true that china started by copying games, the chinese gaming industry is slowly starting to make original games, while the west is failing miserably with "diversity and inclusion" garbage full of corporate propaganda.
so what about Honkai impact? clone of a clone. The dev is also Chinese. Or do you call that more original than Genshin Impact? The name already is an clone XD
@@IHateRUclipsCensor "ah yes, lets just mention genshin but not honkai impact, [...]" Yes they are all clones. Why need to name each and every clone to make an example that they are all clones?
@@martinschemmel84 then tell me what honkai impact is clone of? If its genshin everyone can see why its been called as zelda clone, because its almost similar, but what about honkai impact?
Hiya, great vid, honestly just watched this on Asmon's channel. Came here to give a sub and like to the vid, will definitely be back for more and will binge watch your back catalog. Keep making informative well constructed content.
This channel is quickly becoming a favorite of mine to frequent. Things I was going to mention incase they were omitted - you mentioned later in the video. Great work and looking forward to more content, hope this channel blows up. We need this sort of education as gamers/consumers!
It's not a matter of knowledge being a matter of "public good" because (insert ancient quote here), therefore things get copied. It's more like that's the way the party has shaped Mainland society over the last few decades. "If you can cheat, then cheat" is basically the unofficial national motto these days. Add to this the very top-down authority-based lawmaking process, and the very irregular enforcement of regulations, and the heavy restrictions on cultural imports (like "foreign" video games and movies), and then you get what we see happening now.
Yah. The view from the lady is not wrong at all, but is from the lens of the West. China currently just has a culture of money-grabbing after Communist suppression and poverty for decades. Moreover, bribing is just part of the budget. So, you need even more money ... 😅
All see , free to pay Western games and pay to win like old Chinese games. Old Western games are: "pay to play" Also, all Western AAA games are big and empty, like Korean MMOs With massive items like Japanese RPG. The West cloned every Asian concept of gaming
Judging from this, the big driver of cloning for China is that many of these hits in the west cannot be sold in China due to their crazy strict rules. Solution is to make a clone and strip out the parts that would prevent it from passing the Chinese review board. Also most of these clones are not available to purchase in the west and original games aren’t available to purchase in China so there is not much impact on the western companies from what I can see. I see no issue with having Let’s Play Monsters in China instead of Pokémon Go (which is banned). However, there are games now being sold in the West and frankly, my most looked forward to games this year are Chinese (Phantom Blade 0, Perceiver, Wukong, Infinity Nikki and many others). And yes, they most definitely borrowed from Western ideas, but in these cases they also improved. I think another issue for western game companies with the games that do come to the US is that many Western games are being bogged down with political correctness taking priority over game quality and a bizarre lack of understanding of who actually plays games in the US all the way into direct hostility against the player base. The Chinese games can fill that void nicely as long as unlike Japanese games, they don’t cave to pressure to “westernize” the games, which basically kills the creativity and ideas that make those games good in the first place. While many western studios are putting out more failures than successes these days and spending billions to do so, smaller leaner and cheaper Chinese game devs are releasing more of the games that games actually wanted and expected from the Western studios. While Western companies struggle to figure out what the heck they are doing, Chinese has great opportunity to pull market share if they can capitalize on filling the gaps the western companies are now leaving.
The monopoly "knockoff" isn't really a knockoff tho, it adds enough elements, gameplays to be very different and much more entertaining, calling it knockoff is like calling Overwatch a Counter-Strike knockoff. And it's made in Taiwan, so is XuanYuan Jian, they are both classic titles made in TAIWAN by TAIWANESE. The company Softstar was originated in Taiwan and later expanded to China. Easy way to spot is that Taiwan uses Traditional Chinese instead of Simplified Chinese. These information can be found even on wiki, so please if you want to make these type of videos you need to do more research, or consult someone who does.. Also there are heaps more misinformation in the video, your viewers took the time to let you know, so please correct your mistakes.
They’re still knockoffs the only reason the gameplay will deviate with Chinese games is when they blatantly rip off a different game’s mechanics and then inject in to either seem different or to not make it look exactly 1 to 1. It’s not hard to see. Nobody considers Overwatch a Counter-Strike clone because because it’s not a quick clone. Overwatch is a true example word what you’re saying. They actually enhanced the game in their own way with their own ideas. You won’t see that with these knockoffs
as much as Tencent do the usual thing, Moontoon already corrupted the minds of Southeast Asians as everyone thinks that Riot Games and Tencent had copied their game 😢
China's motto is create fast, test, scale, if fails, scrap. It is prevalent to react directly to trends and data. Speed is the essence. Western game companies especially fails in creating fast because it always uses consultants that trying to predict trends and data. Lots of western game companies had layoffs this year because just that, too slow to react/decide on risks.
@@tigeruntamed6036 ^ yep, thats where i mentioned the "consultants trying to predict trends and data" - always have an injection of DEI within the process
@@tigeruntamed6036 I'm confused, are you just blaming some random company for all the wrong things in the game industry instead of looking at things at critical value?
Why didn't you mention Wukong, and other Chinese games, as well as Genshin.....ohh, because it will destroy your argument. China can make great and original games too. With supply and demand, there will always be a market for hrdcore games, like doom etc. so stop with the fearmongering. Also, the Military will always fund games like call of duty as a recruiting tool. lol. so fear not to those people who like that stuff.
The funny thing is, you keep bringing up Genshin Impact as a game that other studios keep cloning, but didn't mention that Genshin Impact itself is a VERY blatant Zelda: Breath of the Wild clone. It has since evolved and changed over the years, but upon release, the animations, enemies, and character movesets were pulled straight from BotW.
13:59 Saying China is a communist state would be a stretch. China is a mixed economy. The relationship between the government and firms in China is closer to fascism or crony capitalism. The state does not directly control the firms, but firms can become monopolies through bribery and cronyism (and thus big companies in China usually have strong connections to the government), and the state has the ability to manipulate the market.
I think the best way to describe it is the extreme version of American company town in the late 19th century, scaling up the town to a country of over a billion people and the company is the CCP.
Hey everyone, quick heads-up on the intro:
The flags and game comparisons you see were added late in the editing process and, honestly, I missed it before we went live.
Totally my oversight there. Just wanted to clear that up and thank you all for pointing it out. We’re all about getting it right, so I appreciate your sharp eyes!
Keep the feedback coming and thanks for sticking with us 🙇♀🙇♀🙇♀
I was going to bring up how you used Saints Row: The Third footage and Saints Row: The Third was created in Illinois and published by a studio in California.
Interesting because it's because of the same China the whole World was playing Famicom. Now Communism and in between Socialism to bridge after the Democracy. I will lose my income but if we are choosing between Space and Living on Earth with Broken Capital and Large Volume without Quality...then it would be great if they do it again but I know that it will be the sub level of PS3.
America lied, it made people around the world to suffer , all the worst in humans happened in Capitalism which is not sustainable anymore. For more than 7 Times it was falling and last time China repaid American debt and became a larger % partner in every Big industry...I will stop here because the rest was written a long time ago by Marx and Engels. It's time for the Revolution. No Spaces Traveling for educational purposes only movies and conspiracies with high level l of uncertain situation and Decay of everything from infrastructure to buildings and bridges and Human spirit. NO more Made in USA . 🧱🔨
this is great, i hope you keep making videos!
The only interesting News Channel 👍
You gotta do a follow up on Chinese copyright infringement for EVERYTHING PC related! Microsoft gave up trying to go after Chinese copyright infringement - blatant illegal copies of Microsoft and Adobe software were being used by large Chinese corporations and even in public areas such as public transport and ad displays. In China if it can be copied it will have been!!!
Tencent has their thumb in every pie. Ubisoft, Fromsoftware, Techland, Supercell, Riot, Epic, and so many more you may have heard of.
Tencent own's a Part of Fromsoftware?!
Sounds new to me.
@MaxTheAnnoyer224 quick bit of research, they own 16.25% of the shares, but Kadokawa are still over 50% shareholders. Looks like just an investment for Tencent, so it's unlikely to affect what Fromsoftware does.
@@184Switch Good to Hear.
Fact
they are also big shareholders in Discord.
I lived in China from 2011 to 2019 and the console ban wasn't really a thing. It was just a surface level verbal ban without any teeth to back it up. I remember buying a PS3 and PS3 games during the 'ban' from a store, not from Taobao. Hell, I even bought Diablo 3 at the time and Diablo 3 was supposedly hardcore banned. You just had to call it "Big Pineapple 3" to find it in a search because 'Big Pineapple" in Chinese is pronounced "Da Bolo" which kind of sounds like Diablo. Chinese use all kinds of tricks like this to circumvent bans. I remember when people were asking me how I played on Steam because Steam was banned in China but again, never banned.
Stop spreading truths.
Let the rest of the west be ignorant and feel good about themselves.
True! Seeing how other commenters correctly pointed out that she falsely portrayed Zelda as a US game (it's Japanese), and falsely stated Saints Row being a Chinese game and a clone of GTA (which is also false)... She failed at basic research, and doesn't know anything about those games she mentioned, lmao. Check her reply to SVPortfolio's comment where she admits this, and then kinda edited it out later, but many more such outright lies persist in her entire video, lmao.
@CodeCreateCraft she wasn't saying that about saints row? Those were all examples of big western games that clealry copy alot
外国记者根本不懂中国。。😅
@@FatmanQQ 我已经看到30年来关于中国经济即将崩溃的新闻标题了。
Clones are a tale as old as video games itself. Pong clones and Space Invaders clones was a big thing back then
Yes! This remind me of Switch emulator 😅
I don't know what your background is in journalism, but you make banger videos. I however disagree with the author of that blogpost. Plagiarism is not an art, copying something verbatim is easy. Remixing, building on, and improving existing concepts in a way that resonates with more people than the original, that's an art.
Concur
Agreed
"Picasso had a saying… 'good artists copy; great artists steal' …and we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."
-Steve Jobs 1996
Some years ago, i was speaking with an German Artist that lived and learned in China for like 3 Years, she did mention why they always do the plagiarism, well she did say, its their way to embrace Art, like they are literally schooled/indoctrinated, to copy everything that is good and improve on that or something like that, She mentioned, Artists learn to copy everything the master does. They really do not see evil in their doing as we westerners see it. They absolutely see it as a good thing, something to appreciate... Its another world so to speak...
I think what you are describing as an art is literally what the blog poster meant.
I think a large reason you don't know about Chinese originals is because they are rarely localised in English and therefore, completely inaccessible.
at 0:08
Zelda is a japanese game (not american)
Hollow knight is developed by an australian company.
They are not "american" games.
Yes, very true, and it was an editing oversight on my behalf. Thanks for flagging this.
@@BelindaErcan
I don't think it is an editing oversight. You simply don't know games.
@@たなかたろう-u5w @jimmy, the flag could simply be showing the region of the game is playing at that time. That does not mean it is a Japanese or Australian developer. A lot of games (especially older console titles) have different roms for different regions.
@@damientippett2468 nah not gonna buy that
@@damientippett2468what, you’re way off mate.
Do you think that with more Chinese citizens becoming aware of the knockoffs and wanting the real thing we are seeing a shift? Like what happened with Blizzard games being temporilary banned and now coming back.
Good question! Yes, absolutely. Chinese consumers in general (the younger ones in particular), are prioritizing quality over let's say affordability. There's a shift towards 'premiumization' - (source => shorturl.at/jJFfs) The Blizzard case is really complex and has more to do with their tight-and-then-relaxing-and-then-tight-again regulations (and international business strategies). The knockoffs will remain, but there's a clear trend for sure towards more, what we woudl call, authenticity.
@@BelindaErcan Hi, the URL you provided is unavailable. Also, I'm pretty sure there is a prioritization of affordability in general, especially among younger generations, as a result of the economic decline.
@@Syuvinya Remove extra ) at the end of the link.
avg chinese prefer chinese stuff whther original or not
@@CrowCZ oh thx
At the same time, they can also come up with games like Black Myth: Wukong and Phantom Blade
and wuchang or something
also there are a few good games already. Play guijan 3
Wuchang Fallen feather and Where Winds Meet as well
Watch towards the end of the video, she did bring it up
Fortunately tencent doesn't fully own Game Science
Genshin Impact its the biggest example of how China could also create huge trends and now with honkai star rail, they maybe be the exception not the rule.
They're not setting any trend with Star Rail though, there hasn't been a rise in turn based games or games with heavy sci-fi elements.
Honkai is a *Terrible* name in English 😂
Its a process remember when Chinese phones are considered cheap knockoff? And now Chinese EV. We are already seeing an increase in original games from China, and its a no brainer that this shift from imitation to innovation will continue. Made in Japan were considered cheap and bad quality and now look at them.
Im def not a fan of copying others work and the Chinese especially in gaming rn is still doing a lot of that , but yeah a lot of Chinese people particularly younger Chinese players are disliking this behavior too
Innovation? Wtf are you talking about lol
China has never did anything for gaming never made a franchise never created anything of value
Now because they take from already trash game like league of legend all of a sudden they are great ? 😂
Riot is trash they cant make good games get that in your skull fraud and so is china
older Chinese don't play video games mate
@@felisasininus1784 depends on how old is considered old. I am still playing in my 50s
@@mankitwong4165 I'm talking Chinese Chinese, people born before the 80s didn't have the luxury to develop the habit.
@@mankitwong4165 Or hobby
The video is well made and edited, but I have a feeling that you and a lot of people in the comments section have this feeling of China being a monolith where the government and companies work in lockstep together- when this could not be further from the truth. I think psychologically people tend to think this way because of the cultural and societal distance between us, not to mention the rise in anti-China sentiment in the media which tends to make the audience psychologically group people, corporations, and the government together in an us vs them mentality.
As someone who has people I know who live in China, in reality, the government has far less control than you would expect and is often at odds with gaming companies like Tencent. Not to mention that large conglomerates like Tencent also often plagiarize or bully smaller devs in China as well (not dissimilar to companies like Zynga or EA in the west). When it comes to regulation, there are not necessarily set rules like "no blood", "no skeletons", etc., and often games that people think are banned (e.g. HOI4) are actually only sometimes delisted from Steam or other storefronts.
This also has to do with the people as well- of course there will always be super patriotic people, but in reality quite a large part of the population are a lot more critical of the country and government than you'd expect. In general I think it's easy for us in the West to paint China as this very alien, opposite nation where everything is different, but in reality, the relationship between government, corporations, and people are not so different from the West- especially after they had embraced capitalism.
Agreed. I already noticed it on the video about Nutaku, but this person is more interested in creating well-edited narratives that appeal to the viewer's psychological blindspots, than they are in depicting the truth of matters, even if it leads to statements that are only "believable" and which are just based on subjective impressions, minor things, or just wrong facts:
-Hollow Knight and Zelda are American?
-a poll on youtube with 70 likes as some kind of relevant thing to establish the causes as to why China companies copy games?
-"In China, the community is growing tired of it all!" followed by a pseudo steam reviews bombing (4 screenshots) for a game that sits at 56.22% on Steam etc
This is probably because she's more motivated by viewership retention on her videos rather than a genuine interest in gaming, and the reason why she's cooperating with a company specialized in making money on youtube like N8Wealth.
imo she's threading a dangerous line between informative/factual/interesting content, and buzzlike/marketing/out of thin air BS content presented as matter-of-facts that will come bite her back one of these days if she keeps doing it.
But oh well, I have to admit this is still better than 90% of gaming journalism right now... As someone once said: "For every piece of media a journalist puts out there, there is an expert on the subject somewhere in the world who is grinding their teeth in frustration from it."
Yeah there's a lot of cherry picking unrelated things to try string together a narrative and a lot of misinformation.
Chinese CCP government does oversee EVERYTHING ... that is the truth. You cannot release something for large Chinese public consumption unless the government says so.
but in order for your business to grow in China you HAVE to have connections to the CCP. Including gaming companies, in which after growing to a certain size, they're required to have CCP branches within those companies (黨支部), where they can also interfere with certain decisions and operations.
@@themusicdiplomat730As someone who actually runs a company in China, this is not true.
Thanks for featuring my comment! Another great video as always
I have to point out the first couple chinese single player games you pointed out(Monoply etc) are made by Taiwan companies. They hardly have any relationship with what's on in mainland China. The most copy paste period is when browser and mobile games were booming. It was a crazy gold rush.
i honestly think that in 2 videos, you are already my favorite way to hear about gaming news/essays
Here in the Philippines, Mobile Legends is VERY huge. I've also played it for a couple of months during Covid, and I can see why people enjoy it. (I've played League of Legends since 2012). It's a bit frustrating that Mobile Legends receives more support in the competitive scene than Wild Rift (Mobile version of League of Legends), but I can understand as to why it's more popular than Riot's mobile game.
Really great video, you earned my subscription!
Dyson Sphere Program can be considered an innovative piece made with actual passion from China, even if inspired by factorio. But that's the only one that comes to my mind out of the hundreds of chinese games out there.
Great video as always, you are the best
What you're pointing out is one of the reasons why I'm so happy to harp on the majority-every-other-time China just soullessly steals/copies: It ruins the perception of authentic effort for things like what you mentioned. It's sad, you can taste the authenticity but it's masked by all the BS.
I love DSP ❤ It's one of my most played games on steam.
Well that is the clear difference since it's inspired by other factory games rather than just repainting an original one and passing it off as their own. It's why it's such a damn good game
Came to comments to write about DSP too. There is also Amazing Cultivation Simulator (aka Rimworld's more psychotic Chineese twin) which comes to mind
I can add Will: A Wonderful World, which is a Visual Novel/Adventure game where you play some kind of fate goddess and get prayer-letters from a collection of people that detail a series of events leading up to them pleading to you, which you can then rearrange the order of events of to change their fate (which gets more complicated later - the logic puzzles become pretty hard). Their stories get increasingly interwoven, and completing their most desired outcomes is not always a positive, especially since the depiction of events is biased from their Point of view, which is fine as long as you don't end up getting prayed to by a serial killer with a severely warped and fragmented perception of reality - but that would never happen, right?
Nothing like chaotic. China has one rule, never allow capitalism to become the ruler of China as America has made the mistake of allowing.
That's funny
Biden and Trump is example. Both are bad@@cozy6308
I wonder how this would be affected by AI-generated media
If A.i bad, its impossible, why u even think about it? 😊😊😊😊
@@onlyyoucanstopevil9024 "AI" not bad. Only Tool. Results are how its used/abused.
The only issue I have with the video was was with the closing remark. While it sounds good, it doesn't make sense if you think about it cause journey to the west is about going to India to speak enlightenment.
I understand that point was that "West" is used today to refer to Europe and North America but it felt abit less researched than the rest of the video which was unfortunate.
Great summary of what's happening in the Chinese video gaming industry tho. I still remember when mobile legends was big around 2017
Might have been a far fetched reference, yes 😅
Also, not trying to diss the lady here, but ... various gamers have commented that the various games discussed/shown are actually not Chinese, but Japanese, etc and even from the US itself. Quite a few things are off here, possibly because the scope is way too wide to be properly researched.
I was put off by the Journey to the West ending too, given that I am a Buddhist, and it is a real story actually of how the monk struggled to make it to India for the scriptures. The monkey god Sun Wukong is actually the personification of Hatred, th e pig god Greed, and the sand monk being the personification of Delusion, the 3 poisons in Buddhism. Journey to the West is culturally the "4 big books" of Song Dynasty, which was almost like the peak of Chinese culture.
@@Chengyuan79 And what does it matter if she's a lady or a dude? I don't care if an article is written by a tentacled Martian in a cave, I only care if it's factual reporting. I don't intend to ever meet the Martian in person, the same as applies to any journalist I ever read in my entire life (and the feeling is surely mutual). So it could be a talking stone statue, or a wind wispering through a secluded valley beneath a full moon.... I would still fact-check and see if it's biased or not.
I missed the thing with the games (my favorite genres are 4X and CRPG, which aren't popular enough to be widely cloned so far). But the biggest issue I have is deliberately omitting the word "censorship" in lieu of "cultural adaptation", "cultural fit", "cultural context". Any more nice euphemisms for nasty things?
@@azradun3903 it doesnt. Dont be so sensitive, dude. 😅
Let’s see how Black Myth: Wukong performs. It seems competitive in both artistic quality and creativity.
It’s funny how China’s tech industry in the ’80s and ’90s was synonymous with knock-off clone products, and now it is able to push innovation.
Belinda and Good Work are the two investigating journalism channel that everyone deserves.
I love how much passion and personality these two show… they’re the lotus in the disgusting mud of “mainstream journalism”
You look like a real journalist/interviewer, love your videos and editing skills :)
Black Myth Wukong isn't alone anymore, there is Phantom Blade Zero, Where Winds Meet and Wuchang Fallen Feathers.
Wuchang Fallen Feathers = Sekiro Shadows Die Twice
The fastest way to clone another company's tech is just to buy that company up outright. That's why Chinese automaker, Geely Cars, bought Volvo.
yep, that's why companies buyout each other, for the tech, like when microsoft bought out nokia for their patents etc.
Until anti-trust/monopoly laws kick in lol.
Same reason why the US gov went after Toshiba and Alstom, for their tech/patents.
Same reason why the US tried to go after Huawei, and now TikTok.
my game "square bird" had over 100 million downloads, after one years, an taiwan company replicate it and they also get similar downloads. crazy
this one? www.crazygames.com/game/square-bird
You're indian you probably stole the game yourself from the taiwanese company pjjt 😂
Almost everyone I know is super excited for Black Myth Wukong.
I’m excited for that and Phantom Blade 0
wait after its game's success and the game company it's in would fold and become just another game cloner company once Tencent/CCP has full grasp on the company then on. Classic move in China.
@@dissidius13 You are absolutely clueless
@@Ash-vv8zg ironic coming from the clueless guy
Over here from a 'reaction'. Very well made video! Thanks for the info in an entertaining way.
Glady subbed.
It's wild that you're a small youtuber with this kind of research and quality. I hope you stick with it, this is some of the best gaming coverage I've seen.
The channel was created in October 2023, it's quite new and will grow, no doubt
The focus used to be making video games for passion and fun. But now it's become profit first over anything else. Even as far as copying someone else's work to make money.
On a related topic, it would be interesting to see a video on how Hoyoverse managed to break out of the China market and become a global brand. They're now so successful that they're (allegedly) able to get away with content that's technically against CPP rules.
to a certain degree they can, yes. Like having more feminine men in their games (hello Venti and Lyney), or women in positions of power (especially in the not-china that is Liyue). Hell, a lot of themes in the story are exactly what ccp wouldnt like, frankly speaking, and yet here we are. Yet big chest on girls is not always a good thing, so they had to make them smaller sometimes, and tone down on some design choices, but thats a small price in comparison to... pretty much everything.
but honestly, its a combo of good quality (despite people calling it clone - it has only some things from zelda game, most of it is actually pretty unique to itself) mixed with circumstances. Remember - genshin came out when basically EVERYONE had nothing to do thanks to covid
CCP will ban this trash dont worry they already are doing stuff against gambling casino garbage like this
@@SorarikoMotoneits still a clone lmao the core mechanics are the same gameplay also trash
You wont fool anyone all live service games are doing this scam of not imrproving the gameplay/core mechanics and just releasing skins pixels and bundles/gambling
And the exploration sucks the world is bland with nothing to do
Open world gamed in general are garbage but this one take the crown
@@DOGEELLL "core gameplay" my darling, nintendo didnt create neither gliders, nor running or climbing, nor even stamina meter, all these things existed prior to botw. By your definition - botw is a heavy clone of shadow of the collosus and any open world game that came before it. The horror - its time to cancel botw for being a clone fr fr! Also - are you really 💩ing here on open world games, in spite of botw, rdr, and other games being world wide popular? Talk about being minority of a minority person with 💩 opinions.
And even then - you are incorrect in saying that "core gameplay" is the same. Combat is different, puzzles are different, story (which is one of the main point of the game) is not only different - its even told differently. Also "pixels" my guy - all videogames selling you pixels, gacha games are predatory, yeah - but genshin is one rare instance where you can completely ignore gacha and still have fun for years.
Hate all you want - but a "💩" game wouldnt be this popular of the game was actually terrible, ya dumarse.
Contrary to western popular misconception, the government doesn't strictly enforce the laws on digital media (the government is full of out-of-touch boomers, like everywhere else). Gaming companies have to consult the government and get approval before releasing any content, so all the contents that get released is compliant with the law ("technically" or otherwise). What often complicates this process is that "activists" (extremists) groups will organize mass brigading, flood reports to the government, and try to fake a big controversy if they get offended. This will usually prompt the government to react and this is exactly what happened with Genshin (and many other Chinese games). The law is incredibly vague and isn't enforced equally across the board, just look at Azur Lane as an example.
Underrated channel, great video!
There are also a difference between clone and inspired by that this person dont get. BotW and Genshin have too many differences to be called a clone. Different worlds, story and game mechanics. Hearthstone and Sleeping Dragon however is so similar that the later game lost a lawsuit to the former. Thats a clone.
m.ruclips.net/user/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=Legend+of+Crouching+Dragon this copy was way too blatant.
Genshin 1.0 is genuinely BoTW but with elements, it took Hoyo the billions they made to make the game fully unique in later versions
@@thegamerfe8751 nah, even 1.0 was already differentiating itself, thanks to combat system alone with elemental system plus a lot of other small things. The only thing that is similar is traversal, and even then not always
@@thegamerfe8751 you think the game started as BotW clone? miHoYo started developing Genshin in 2016 as a Honkai Impact spinoff, BotW came out in 2017.
If I can make a laundry list 2 pages long about the similarities between the 2 then it’s a blatant rip-off. The only people defending it are diehard fans in denial. And the sad part is it’s not just blatantly ripping off one game. It’s honestly sad
It's funny that I got Nintendo clone version when I was a kid, keep up the good work.
So when Ubisoft copied BoTW, it was an inspiration 😇😇 but when Genshin copied it was a crime! 😡😡
It's okay when the west does it because they insert wokeness
GamersTM double standard lol, just like the Palword accusations saying it's a "bootleg Pokemon made in Chinese" when in reality it's made in Japan lol
oh no. the sinobots are here
@@brawlbaby4911yea whatta you gonna do about it
@@brawlbaby4911yea whatta you gonna do about it
Awesome vid. Subbed!
5:22 Bejeweled is not a clone of diamond mine, they are both made by popcap
Really like the overall style of this channel ! It has the tone of those end 90's TV documentaries !
Such a great channel, this will be a 1+ million sub soon, surely
Great video! This channel deserves way more subs!
your videos are great, keep it up!
You have quite good material here Belinda. Thanks.
The video has a good overview of the Chinese gaming industry, but I have a fair share of critics on some of the talking points. I was in the industry between 2014 and 2019 and I felt like several details weren't depicted correctly in the video.
7:59 Honor of Kings is Tencent's MOBA game, Tencent didn't "face lawsuit". Instead, They filed multiple lawsuit against the maker of Mobile Legends, which is MoonTon, on the behalf of their subsidiary Riot games. Your storytelling made it sound like Tencent was the one copying and got caught while they were actually the one defending copyrights for League of Legends. I think you don't know many intricacy inside the gaming industry.
It also relies too much on emotive conjugation and intrinsic bias. The video used a blog post (6:45) to prove China has a "copying culture", ignoring that the blog poster faced huge criticism, so the blog post explained he added his own take on the existing formula, so his work is more about inspiration than copying. He or she used the Chinese word "plagiarizing," but he/she was saying this ironically. So the video basically misinformed the viewer that can't read Chinese.
12:21 about Arena of Valor was strange too. I was part of the testing team on this product. The reason why Arena of Valor used the Western mythos was that Tencent thought that people between West and East had "no shared cultural literacy," so they were reluctant to use Chinese mythos. However, players' feedback indicated that Western mythos is overused in the media, and the story was not compelling enough. In 2024, Tencent republished Honor of Kings to the global audience with original Chinese characters, and it received much better than the Arena of Valor. It proves that shared cultural literacy is not necessary for a successful game, but compelling world-building and interesting character designs are.
The video also tries to connect everything Chinese with the government. Making video is games is compared with making fighter jets (3:43), or expansion of the state power as if all these games were made under the state directive. As the blog post dev said, he or she was trying to make a living by making video games, not following politics.
Saints Row was used as an example of a copy of GTA, which was done by an American company. We have countless clones of hero shooters in the States. Will you write titles like: "United States' plan to clone the entire gaming industry"? Only Chinese people get attributed as a monolith block of "China," which is Orientalism. This China = Chinese people = Chinese government = Chinese culture talk point really just facilitates more anti-Chinese mentality than helping people realize the intracity.
saying chinese people copy is such an npc take wait till they find out about how much japan copied china
Here from baldy. Really love your videos
Its content like this that you hope to find when you're doomscrolling to end said doomscrolling.
Hits the spot with how full circle it is.
Insta-sub tier right here. Appreciate the "way" you're doing your content.
Fantastic dissection of the industry and the direction it might be headed. Honestly I'm so glad eyes are opening up more to what's happening.
BUT 6:18 I wish you'd have given Tokaku a wee name drop or something considering you gave her an introduction is all!
Would love to see what our game industry would look like without Blackrock influence.
The game journalist we never asked for, but I'm so glad we got. Subbed.
Saints Row is American, not Chinese. Also it’s literally a parody of GTA, not simply a clone. And GTA is British, not American, but you have an American flag on it for some reason.
Wasn't she just saying how games take inspiration on others when she mentioned Saints Row?
Yes, the Chinese flag on SR was an editing mistake on my behalf.
@@BelindaErcan I like that you acknowledge the mistake ❤
@@BelindaErcanGTA explanation: Rockstar has a British subsidiary that’s fascinated by American culture, that’s who makes GTA, not the main American branch.
@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated😂 mistake in a video about comparing china as on one side of argument
Damn you for making me crave dumplings! Excellent video too, format and information was extremely concise and professional. Can't wait for more
The western “Karen” journalism does a lot to accidentally market Chinese games as well. Black Myth Wukong ended up on a lot of people’s wishlist when games journos started trashing it.
man these videos are so good hope u get millions on them
Huh how come you didn't mention genshin impact at all? Or does it not happen to fit your narrative so you didn't mention it when you were talking about the top games played around the world?
14:30 oh wait you did mention it, so I guess you didn't know Genshin Impact is a Chinese made and operated game?
Yeah it was strange to me how it wasn't mentioned more, sure genshin was heavily inspired by botw but it's grown to be something very distinct and unique on its own. I did feel something off with the video
@@MrKasenom just like how botw copied Skyrim since they're both rpgs right? 🙄
They need to maintain the western agenda of course. They should try asking SEA, totally different opinion on Chinese games.
She also never used the word "censorship" in her entire video, only "cultural adaptation", while describing heavy government censorship and inviligation of citizens.
That is not an accident.
There's also the numerous 'mistakes' that she has had to admit to throughout this comment section.
Wow this video clearly took a lot of effort. Mostly explained the things that I heard as rumors around gaming community and you shined a better light on them I would say. I am a teacher in Asia and my students are obsessed with Chinese clone games like RoV (Realm of Valor: Garena's version of AoV) or Genshin Impact that I always tell them these are cloned from a better game and it's better to experience the real game.
Those original games doesn't exist on mobile, which is the primary way of gaming in China and other developing countries. Try opening your viewpoint outside of rich countries. This is why HoK, MLBB, Genshin Impact, and Honkai: Star Rail made billions. People literally doesn't have access to expensive consoles and full-priced games.
Genshin isn't a clone of anything. People initially thought it was a clone of Breath of the Wild but once it released they were completely proven wrong. Different art style, gacha, relics, character quests, release schedule, no shrines, elemental combat, tons of playable characters, character switching, multiplayer, and more completely set Genshin apart even if some things are mildly inspired.
@@KrimsonKattYT The game is ripoff of Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild.
@@zex992001 the only things game "copied" is stamina (which zelda never created), glider (also isn creation of zelda) and some of the traversal movement - but overall the game is its own thing (and if anything - if genshin is botw clone, then botw is shadow of the colossus clone). the elemental system, the story, the characters, majority of the combat, gearing is its own thing. only morons still stuck with nonsense from before the release of the game say its a clone, when in reality - there is an inspiration, and the devs admit to it (cuz they are literally gamers, DUH), but there's a lot on top of it and its weaved together with QUALITY you cannot see in most games, be it chinese or western slop.
i am in no way saying zelda is bad - but both games have their own identity and space to reside in, and both are made with quality and genshin can show you that IF you actually decide to play it and not bark because "china = bad". And thats not to mention how much mihoyo does for their people via charity.
@@SorarikoMotone The graphics, the sound effects, the gliding, the stamina, the artstyle, what do you want more to be Zelda? I'm not a Nintendo fan or Zelda fan, I'm just a gamer and I played many games in my life. Genshin Impact IS Zelda with added micro-transactions for kids to grab money from them. The whole mix of these with open world is Zelda and Genshin Impact wouldn't exist if Zelda didn't exist. I don't agree with you. If Genshin Impact was trying to be its own thing they could add extra mechanics to their game other than switching characters. Their multiplayer could be way better than just 2 people going around doing daily missions. Genshin is just cheap Zelda.
Here because Asmon sent me. Great video game journalism with very high production quality, keep the videos coming.
your point at 14:00 is HUGE - How many US gamers are using Tencent products vs users of tiktok???
Amazing and in-depth video. Thank you for the historical context too, I never knew about the start of chinas gaming industry.
Paladins was in development before overwatch, hi res didn't take blizzards idea. I thought this was pretty common knowledge at this point
It's so rare to find good game journalists these days. You're my #1 ❤
Yup, game journalists are just pushing woke propaganda nowadays.
1:56 just wanna say that filming your child crying for whatever reason and posting it on social media for other people's entertainment is CHILD Abuse. It's not funny. And I'm so blessed to be born in the 90s when nobody had smartphones.
Nice video.. Well researched..
you deserve so much subscribers keep up the good work
Honor of Kings was released earlier than Mobile Legends and they're both Chinese....Do your home work
She never mention anything about release time(?) Can you elaborate further?
9:11 How come this patent was approved? Copyright on practice mode in a fighting game? It seems so absurd.
Man this is the definition of an underrated channel. Thank you for your informative videos, their so fantastic!
Except there are so many misinformation and the viewers has been living comments for her to correct her mistakes but none were taken
Really well researched video and very natural on facts 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Tencent, Netease.
they are not game company,they are game manufacturer. what they want is profit,
never the good game.
I did not expect to see paladins here, it hit me right in the feels I used to LOVE playing it back in the day
ah yes, lets just mention genshin but not honkai impact, or azur lane, or snowbreak, or arknights, or many other games that are their own thing compared to western games.
while its true that china started by copying games, the chinese gaming industry is slowly starting to make original games, while the west is failing miserably with "diversity and inclusion" garbage full of corporate propaganda.
so what about Honkai impact? clone of a clone. The dev is also Chinese. Or do you call that more original than Genshin Impact? The name already is an clone XD
@@martinschemmel84 Tf are you on? Genshin and honkai is from the same company, and honkai impact is release years before genshin even a concept
@@IHateRUclipsCensor "ah yes, lets just mention genshin but not honkai impact, [...]" Yes they are all clones. Why need to name each and every clone to make an example that they are all clones?
@@martinschemmel84 then tell me what honkai impact is clone of? If its genshin everyone can see why its been called as zelda clone, because its almost similar, but what about honkai impact?
if they can make em without aesthetic microtransactions, live service model, extra paid DLCs, lootboxes and paid seasons, then I M IN!
This channel is so underrated. I wish more people will notice you soon enough! Such an amazing work!
I wonder why she never used word censorship while describing heavy government censorship.
I wonder why.
Good work
Thank you for your amazing work on this video
Working in the game industry as well, much of this is familiar/true. This is an excellent presentation.
Hiya, great vid, honestly just watched this on Asmon's channel. Came here to give a sub and like to the vid, will definitely be back for more and will binge watch your back catalog. Keep making informative well constructed content.
Thanks for the video!
This channel is quickly becoming a favorite of mine to frequent. Things I was going to mention incase they were omitted - you mentioned later in the video. Great work and looking forward to more content, hope this channel blows up. We need this sort of education as gamers/consumers!
Interesting topic - Great channel ... My grandfather always said "Imitation is the greatest craft"
Great video
It's not a matter of knowledge being a matter of "public good" because (insert ancient quote here), therefore things get copied. It's more like that's the way the party has shaped Mainland society over the last few decades. "If you can cheat, then cheat" is basically the unofficial national motto these days.
Add to this the very top-down authority-based lawmaking process, and the very irregular enforcement of regulations, and the heavy restrictions on cultural imports (like "foreign" video games and movies), and then you get what we see happening now.
Yah. The view from the lady is not wrong at all, but is from the lens of the West. China currently just has a culture of money-grabbing after Communist suppression and poverty for decades. Moreover, bribing is just part of the budget. So, you need even more money ... 😅
This is actual journalism, thank you.
It sounds crazy to me that a government can buy a private company.
because there is no private companies in china.. they are bound by ccp rules with their civil military fusion law
Belinda with another banger vid les goo
All see , free to pay Western games and pay to win like old Chinese games.
Old Western games are: "pay to play"
Also, all Western AAA games are big and empty, like Korean MMOs
With massive items like Japanese RPG.
The West cloned every Asian concept of gaming
Judging from this, the big driver of cloning for China is that many of these hits in the west cannot be sold in China due to their crazy strict rules. Solution is to make a clone and strip out the parts that would prevent it from passing the Chinese review board. Also most of these clones are not available to purchase in the west and original games aren’t available to purchase in China so there is not much impact on the western companies from what I can see. I see no issue with having Let’s Play Monsters in China instead of Pokémon Go (which is banned).
However, there are games now being sold in the West and frankly, my most looked forward to games this year are Chinese (Phantom Blade 0, Perceiver, Wukong, Infinity Nikki and many others). And yes, they most definitely borrowed from Western ideas, but in these cases they also improved.
I think another issue for western game companies with the games that do come to the US is that many Western games are being bogged down with political correctness taking priority over game quality and a bizarre lack of understanding of who actually plays games in the US all the way into direct hostility against the player base. The Chinese games can fill that void nicely as long as unlike Japanese games, they don’t cave to pressure to “westernize” the games, which basically kills the creativity and ideas that make those games good in the first place. While many western studios are putting out more failures than successes these days and spending billions to do so, smaller leaner and cheaper Chinese game devs are releasing more of the games that games actually wanted and expected from the Western studios. While Western companies struggle to figure out what the heck they are doing, Chinese has great opportunity to pull market share if they can capitalize on filling the gaps the western companies are now leaving.
The monopoly "knockoff" isn't really a knockoff tho, it adds enough elements, gameplays to be very different and much more entertaining, calling it knockoff is like calling Overwatch a Counter-Strike knockoff. And it's made in Taiwan, so is XuanYuan Jian, they are both classic titles made in TAIWAN by TAIWANESE. The company Softstar was originated in Taiwan and later expanded to China. Easy way to spot is that Taiwan uses Traditional Chinese instead of Simplified Chinese.
These information can be found even on wiki, so please if you want to make these type of videos you need to do more research, or consult someone who does..
Also there are heaps more misinformation in the video, your viewers took the time to let you know, so please correct your mistakes.
They’re still knockoffs the only reason the gameplay will deviate with Chinese games is when they blatantly rip off a different game’s mechanics and then inject in to either seem different or to not make it look exactly 1 to 1. It’s not hard to see. Nobody considers Overwatch a Counter-Strike clone because because it’s not a quick clone. Overwatch is a true example word what you’re saying. They actually enhanced the game in their own way with their own ideas. You won’t see that with these knockoffs
Thank You for some proper journalism. Love your channel...
0:10 Saints Row is not a (arguably) clone nor chinese.
Yes it’s an editing mistake on my behalf
as much as Tencent do the usual thing, Moontoon already corrupted the minds of Southeast Asians as everyone thinks that Riot Games and Tencent had copied their game 😢
China's motto is create fast, test, scale, if fails, scrap.
It is prevalent to react directly to trends and data.
Speed is the essence.
Western game companies especially fails in creating fast because it always uses consultants that trying to predict trends and data.
Lots of western game companies had layoffs this year because just that, too slow to react/decide on risks.
Are you chinese?
No they failed cause they are so focused on DEI instead of good games
@@tigeruntamed6036 ^ yep, thats where i mentioned the "consultants trying to predict trends and data" - always have an injection of DEI within the process
@@tigeruntamed6036 I'm confused, are you just blaming some random company for all the wrong things in the game industry instead of looking at things at critical value?
@@Moji55a no im blaming DEI
Another great video - love the channel!❤
I've been to that dumpling place downtown!
Came to your channel watching asmingold, Great Video, subscribe.
I love your videos and your editing skills, (i love you)
China treats human health as more of a resource than as sacrosanct like the West. This leads to insane deadlines and poor health.
Found you from Asmon. Another great video. Subbed
surprisingly realistic view and not ideological or pandering to people's prejudices. although that is probably also limiting views.
Why didn't you mention Wukong, and other Chinese games, as well as Genshin.....ohh, because it will destroy your argument. China can make great and original games too.
With supply and demand, there will always be a market for hrdcore games, like doom etc. so stop with the fearmongering.
Also, the Military will always fund games like call of duty as a recruiting tool. lol. so fear not to those people who like that stuff.
Genshit is a copy of Zelda lol
@@JK-gh3dp zelda isnt a gatcha game though
The funny thing is, you keep bringing up Genshin Impact as a game that other studios keep cloning, but didn't mention that Genshin Impact itself is a VERY blatant Zelda: Breath of the Wild clone. It has since evolved and changed over the years, but upon release, the animations, enemies, and character movesets were pulled straight from BotW.
13:59 Saying China is a communist state would be a stretch. China is a mixed economy. The relationship between the government and firms in China is closer to fascism or crony capitalism. The state does not directly control the firms, but firms can become monopolies through bribery and cronyism (and thus big companies in China usually have strong connections to the government), and the state has the ability to manipulate the market.
I think the best way to describe it is the extreme version of American company town in the late 19th century, scaling up the town to a country of over a billion people and the company is the CCP.