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To be honest, main subject of upgrading the previous series to a new one isn't the right comparison. I don't know a single person in the world, that isn't the biggest PC enthusiast, but just a regular gamer, who actually buys new GPU every generation. Let's say you bought 3060 Ti back in the days and you see that new 400$ GPU is just few percent faster. Are you down because of that? Quite the opposite. I means you'll get by another 2years with your purchase, because the games themselves won't be able to push hardware limits again, since most people are sitting on entry-mainstream-mid GPU's.
But that falls quicly when you realize that you had this, almost exact same path, just 2 years ago. Minus the DLSS 3, AV1 and better power efficiency when it comes to NV cards. I myself was in the GTX 1660 Super category, was waiting for the good 200$ GPU upgrade for years and I finally caved, bought 4070 and that was that. If I weren't this succesful over these years when it comes to salary, I'd probably still look for 200-ish dollars cards and there... is none good option, aside from 2y old RX 6600. Which shows how terrible GPU market has become because of the second crypto boom and NV/AMD pure greed. Sad times, especially for budget gamers, and I'd probably quit gaming alltogether if I was in the 200$ gpu market still. That, or I'd just buy a console.
what do you feel about the good old 1080 ti with 8700k, the best performance for the buck classic, Ive yet to see a game with a issue
@Hardwareunboxed
You don't mention that if people are upgrading their systems, it may be that they have only PCIE 3.0 and with only 8 lines Rtx 4060ti will perform exactly as Rtx 3060ti (or even worse in heavy Vram usage games like The Last of us).
PS : please test rtx 4060ti and 4060 on PCIe 3.0 )
Trying to keep up with the jones
While Nvidia is delaying their 5000 series, I am pretty sure we will see "Super" variants in the time till than. Milking a generation for longer time
The fact that AMD hasn't even announced a 7800 or 7800XT is pretty crazy this long into the current cycle.
They want to get rid of Navi 21 stock first. And they're incrementally lowering prices until that happens. Everyone has a threshold and they know it. That being said, the 6950XT is not universally in stock any more, so we are getting closer. In fact there are only two 6950XTs on newegg right now that aren't from third party sellers, and both are undesirable options.
Becuz 6950xt
The 7900xt is really a 7800xt
Mores Law is dead recently uploaded a video on the 7800 and 7800xt leaks
@@rudytay83
Who cares?
They have product that name is 7900XT and they have product that name is 7800XT. It does not matter what you think the names should be that is irrelevant!
If Sony would release a GPU that has name Fast, and another GPU that name is not so fast and third that is named "Even slower"... what does that mean? Nothing! All that matter is how much speed you get for the money you spend! The name is irrelevant!
if 5060 will cost $2000, do you care... if it is double the speed of 4090ti. If 5090ti cost $300, do you care... if it it little bit slower than 4060... The name does not mean anything. Only the price and the performance.
Current gen prices and performance suck, but the naming is not a problem!
If 7900XT or 4080 would cost $600 I would not mind the name! If 7900XT and 4080 would be double the speed they are, I would not mind the name! Only the price and performance!
The names are actually much better this year! Every xx60 series has same GPU chip, simple and easy! Every xx70 has same chip, xx80 has different chip and xx90 has different chip! What could be better in naming! 4080 12gb would have been bad name! But that we did get rid of. Now every different GPU chip has different product name. That is good! Until Nvidia f** **p it again when they release some new version... Hopefully that does not happen...
As a 2070S owner, my upgrade path is basically 'wait until it breaks, and consider a used card'
Had to scroll way too far for this. 2080 owner since July of '20. Got it on CL for $450. Most I've ever spent on a single component. People spending over $1k just on a gpu are crazy imo. I'll be buying their used cards whenever they get get the itch to shovel another $pile$ onto nvidia lol. That said, I'm up like 5000% on nvda stock so everyone keep shoveling!
Sadly all the used market cards are 3070's and 3080's. Where people want way too much for their 8GB boondoggles.
The 2070S was launched at $500; you can buy now a 16GB RX 6800 XT for $500, brand new, that will give you around 70% more performance. If you sell the 2070S for $150-$200 you can get this 70% more performance for just $300-$350 out of pocket; not a bad deal I'd say.
@@The_Noticer.oh no! a GPU is _slightly_ slower in 1 game because of 8GB of VRAM!
Cope
@@clearlight293and lose out on RT, DLSS, and increase your power consumption by like 30%. What a deal!
Considering how little I spent on my 5700XT and how much performance it still gives me today, I feel like I made out like a bandit. And all thanks to your 5700XT reviews!
Yeah!
Also happy 5700Xt owner here. No need to upgrade at least for two to tree years. So many good years still with it!
Agreed, I got my 5700XT a few months after it came out for... My 1070 plus 100 EUR from a friend of mine. I still feel like I robbed him to this day.
Same 5700xt nitro
I have a Sapphire pulse 5700XT I got right before everything went nuts in late 2020. Emergency purchase, my current card at the time (GTX 1080) lost its magic smoke and didn't want to shell out my normal amount for a card right before a new generation. I was surprised how good it worked! That being said I did upgrade this year as it was totally fine for 1080p, but wouldn't give me the framerates I wanted with the settings I wanted at 1440p.
Picked up a 7900 XTX at launch, been very pleased with it.
GTX 1070 Ti sends a friend request.
I upgraded from a 1660 super to a 6900XT (on sale for $589), which was a 185% performance gain lol.
I don't think I will ever experience such a huge leap from a single upgrade again, which means i won't be upgrading anytime soon because that's the kind of leap I think is worth the cost of upgrading.
I did similar, R9 290X > RTX 3070 😁
Similar here, €530 in Norway in may for a 6950XT, €850 for a 4070 Ti, it's a no-brainer, just let Nvidia fester in their heap of copper and plastic until etailers ban them due to overstock issues. Some etailers are sitting on whole landfills worth of Nvidia boxes. And at €400 the Acer A770 16GB is decent too.
Went from 970 to 3070. 300% the performance and 5 times the TFLOPs!
Same club here, from RX 570 4GB to RTX 3080 Ti (used) it's awesome
I thought for years that gpu prices were extortion. I had a R390 8gb for 7 years and it served well. I don't upgrade often and realized that if I buy a card thats around 1000€ and I have it around five years its 200€ for a year. I finally just gave up and bought sapphire pulse 7900xt. Has been a very nice card so far.
I agree with you on upgrade vs new overall, however if someone has a 10 series or 20 series Nvidia card they could get the 40-70% upgrade at the same price point by just going AMD and getting a 16GB 6800XT or 6950XT. Both of which are around £400-600 and Both of which can be found for cheaper than the 4070 ti.
No reason to just follow the upgrade path provided by the same company.
Went from a Ryzen 5 3600 and GTX 1080 ti to a Ryzen 7 5800X3D and RX 6750 XT for about $500CAD once the Ryzen 5 3600 and 1080 ti sold. It was a nice performance uplift especially in newer games like Cyberpunk and CPU bound games like Hell Let Loose. AMD SAM definitely helps too 😊
i went from a ryzen 3 2200G to a ryzen 7 5700x and rx 6750xt 😁
max 25% better performance for so much money lol if you bough a 3080 for the same price ud have 50% more performance loololtorlroltolroltorloltorolrorlro hahahahahaha
haha everybody on the internet is dumber than a doorknob hahahahahahahaha
what a senseless waste of money.... you should have bought at least 6950XT
@@PuppetMasterdaath144 In what world is the 3080 the same price and 50% faster than the 6750xt?
I just had a quick check:
Radeon 6950XT is currently available starting at 640€ in Germoney. The PowerColor 7900 XTX Hellhound edition is sitting at 950€ for a while now. So yes, it may be bad times to upgrade your last gen gpu. But then again if you're sitting on a 2070s or lower, a 6950XT for 640 bucks should give you a nice performance bump that doesnt hurt your wallet too much, if you're in Europe - cant tell for NA or SEA though...
Its even worse with taxes here(one of the SEA countries). Imagine people celebrating the 7800XT release because of its 499 price tag while our import and luxury tax bumps it up to around 600 dollars
Someone said taxes??? Bruh, my friend is bringing me a 6700 xt from the USA, for 320 USD... if I try to buy that same GPU in my country, I have to pay 600 USD, 😂😂😂😂
Stupid taxes man
@@innerarts4091 Its just plain stupid to buy a gpu abroad and then import it to another country. If I was to buy said 6700XT in the USA and ship it to Germany, I'd have to pay taxes according to the US state I bought that card in (between 2 and 11% afaik), then add 19% VAT + customs duties, so I end up way more expensive than buying it in Germany in the first place. 320$ is pretty much 300€ right now, add 19% VAT and you'll be at 357€ + customs duty. So whats the point of importing hardware when you end up with higher prices than buying local, when I can get the card at local vendors for ~340€ anyway?
LOVE the background mix up for the mid shot dude!!
Fully agree with your conclusion. Gamers, if hardware permitting should tweak their graphical settings and lower their expectations if they don't want to spend an arm or a leg on a new GPU. It's fairly evident what the latest gen is trying to achieve, but with a lot of people on the fence waiting might not be a bad idea after all in hopes of the flood gates of performance opening in the next gen of GPUs.
majority of gamer most often just want to play the game even if they have to turn the setting to low. that's why most popular GPU on steam end up being 1650.
Like playing gta6 in 480p with dlss ON😅 on launch day
Feels like VRAM is one of the only major reasons to upgrade lately
For what, 2 or 3 poorly optimised games?
true i "upgraded" from a rx6650 to an 2080ti and memory was a big factor.
@@Jonathan-Roden do you work at Nvidia?
@@Rucarlos Tell me why you think he's wrong. Most people will get on fine with their 8gb vram gpu's when settings are scaled correctly aside from the select few games. You can hate nvidia and objectively look at facts at the same time.
@@Rucarlos I run 6GB, don't need more.
At the end of the day it all comes down to doing your homework with reviews and comparisons before you purchase a new GPU and deciding if the performance uplift and other potential benefits is great enough to justify the price. I generally upgrade every 4-5 years and have been doing so since the 3dfx Voodoo 1 days. I definitely agree that both Nvidia & AMD are sandbagging on prices with the current gen of cards, especially considering the paltry performance uplifts in anything other than the high end cards with those cards just being stupidly expensive!
I'm on a 4 year old rx 560 so going to a 6700 tx might be double the cost of what 560 was at the time but I'm getting double the performance + 1440p with 144hz capability. Road through the chip shortage with ez but now it's crashed. It's best to buy while the prices are back to normalcy
Buying Rtx 3080 was still the best decision I made 3 years ago, following my gut feeling I snatched 3080 before the mining boom. gotta admit Nvidia sold me when they introduced 3080 at 699 although I bought it for 900 ish (basically the best deal in my country). the value still holds to this day, especially after I downgrade my monitor to 1440p. mind you I upgraded from 2070 super. Now I am in a long run, skipping 1 generation is normal, but after seeing 4000s value propositions, I feel like my PC is still in next gen territory, and made me love my 3080 even more
I feel the same way about my 6800xt
Yeah, I'm pretty happy with my 3080 ( @ 1440p) as well. It'll do nicely for me until 5000-series is out.
Went from a 1060 to a used 3080 for $460 a couple months ago.
I have a 10GB 3080 and I thought I'll just stick with that but now games like Resident Evil 4, The Last of Us Part I, Miles Morales are crashing due to VRAM issues, I don't know if it's gonna last. This is just in two damn years.
The next gen cards are not going to be less expensive, either. In fact, I'm pretty curious if Nvidia will choose to either increase the price by a little bit, 50 dollars, or more like 100+ dollars.
Well....guess it's sticking with my 2070 Super for another year, though from what I see gaming at 1440p with it is becoming increasingly hard. On the other hand, there is such a thing as playing bit older titles, not like I don't have options.
We're only 1 year away from the 5090 release in the best case scenario. It'll probably take way longer for them to release stuff like 5070 and lower.
There’s already rumors of 5000 series being delayed until late 2024. Nvidia won’t release new stuff as long as people aren’t buying current stuff.
@@joemarais7683 since they couldn’t even sell their 30 series stock yet i bet we won’t see 50 series until 2025, 40 series are not selling at all with the exception of the 4090.
Yeah! 2025
5060 128 bit 8gb $500, if lucky 12gb
5070 192bit 12gb $1000, if lucky 18gb
5080 256 bit 16gb $2000, if lucky 24Gb (with 3gb memory modules)
5090 $5000
😂😂😂
The more you buy, the more you save!
😂
I upgraded my ryzen 5 3400g to a ryzen 5 5600 and added a discrete graphics card, where previously I did not have one, I have been using the integrated graphics for games like Elden Ring and Fallout 4. I paid $211.83 (post-tax) for XFX Speedster SWFT 210 Radeon RX 6600 CORE Gaming Graphics Card, with Starfield being included in that price as a promotion. I paid $160.03 for the CPU, again post tax; so all in all I paid $371.86 US. Pulled the trigger yesterday, just waiting on the parts. Have ddr4 3200mhz 16(2×8) with a b450 tomahawk max. I've been using the 3400g since the start of the pandemic, and I think this upgrade makes sense for the pricepoint
Good points made Steve. I can't find a smart upgrade to my 2080ti right now.
The 4080 costs the same as the 2080ti did (in the UK) but really doesn't seem enough of a performance leap to justify the cost.
The 4090 has the performance leap that I would expect two generations later. But the price is insulting and the high power draw makes it much more expensive long term.
The 7900XTX very nearly swayed me based on raw performance and price. But again the high power draw on decent partner cards was a turn off (similar draw than the 4090 but for less relative performance). Along with AMDs drivers having a bad rep and their cards missing some Nvidia only features that I do use and would miss. So on deeper consideration the 7900XTX didn't actually seem cheap enough to compensate for those.
Right now I'm holding on/hoping for a 4080ti release to bridge some of those gaps. It's a weird place to be in.
the 7900XTX has DisplayPort 2.1 where the 4090 only has DisplayPort 1.4 for more money
The 2080 Ti was also a laughable ripoff.
I’m in the same boat too but honestly will just wait. The 11Gb of VRAM is still more than enough giving me around 100 fps on my ultra wide for games at 1440p.
I thought the $1200 at the time was ridiculously expensive but like the 4090 it is in a different league to the cards below.
But had the card now for going on five years which equals just under $250 USD a year. If I get another 1-2 years out of it before the 5080-5090 that will be closer to $150. Not bad when u look at it like that, but if the 4090 was $1200 it would have been reasonable.
2080 ti buyers are the first guilty consumers of this new price trends. 2080 ti was one of the worst value GPUs. It's funny to see 2080 ti owners think they are smart
@@Estbarul Personal attacks at owners of certain cards speaks volumes about you.
The 2080ti was a beast that still plays most games on max settings 60hz at 1440p and some at 4K. It was never going to be cheap, especially during the crypto shortage. That's how the market works.
Sometimes people/companies HAVE to buy components within a certain timeframe and don't have the option of waiting for prices to lower... which they never meaningfully did after the 2080ti anyway.
It’s amazing what performance you can get out of old tech, two of my brothers are using intel 1st and 2nd gen still. In the process of upgrading between us to two am3 platforms, and one x99 that we just got. Probably won’t upgrade again for 5 years or more. Maybe a graphics card in between to carry it over
I had a 980ti till just a few months ago when I bit the bullet and got a RX6750xt, picked it up for $330 off a sale on Amazon here in the states. I'm quite happy with the upgrade and I doubt I'll upgrade for many years to come. I bought the 980ti new when I was single and living with my grandfather.... now I own my own house, am married and have 3 kids lol. I don't have much time to play video games anymore and I'm not complaining. But spending another $600 on a graphics card, much less $1600, is just out of the question for me.
I went from gtx1050 to rtx3060 and I'm still extremely satisfied. By the time I want an upgrade it'll be around the 60 series onwards.
I have 3060 12GB and It holds up and will keep holding up! The only Nvidia budget card with 12GB VRAM I thought It was a bad purchase but now Im satisfied!
@abelszerepi7845 you were right in thinking it was a bad purchase. The rx 6700 xt is the better purchase everyday. But atleast the rtx 3060 is better than buying a 4060 lol. Grats on that I guess😅
The very reason why we need h610 boards video. Pointless to upgrade from an i5 12400f to i9 in the future. Better off getting the latest combo after 5-6 years
I kept my EvGA 1060 6gb all through the 3000’s cards because I was so excited to see the 4000’s gains, now I feel like an idiot for not nabbing a 3060ti but also I don’t want a 4060ti because I’m already limited in Diablo 4 textures at 6gb, I can’t imagine 8 is a ton better. Just kinda sucks. 4070 I guess
I got burned with my 6600xt purchase during the 2021 crypto boom, bought mine for 550$.
My next upgrade will definitely have to be x2 perf and vram of my 6600xt, similar power draw and not more than 550$
I also made that mistake, £450... I was really thinking it would hold its price (about £300) even if the crypto boom fell but it's more like £160-180 used
My Rx 570 I bought for £100, used for about 3 years and sold it during the boom for £150
@@HaddBradd yeah, FOMO got me hard. well at the very least I was able to help a friend by selling my 1070 to them when I upgraded to the 6600xt, and their 1050ti was also sold to another friend which let us play more games at the time.
i just bought a 7900 xt which i bought for 780.64 and got starfield premium edition (100 bucks ) for free and a Thermaltake Toughpower GF A3 850W PSU for 119.00 for a grand total of 970.64 dollars . but sold my 3070 gaming x trio non - Lhr which i used to mine bitcoin and get back 1/2 it's price in 2021 ( 420 bucks ) but then sold it for 345 dollars 2 years later ( just yesterday ) to buy the 7900 xt + PSU so 970.64 - 445 = 525.64 i think ima happy camper !!
Bought an AIB 5700xt back in 2019, still haven't seen a reasonable upgrade for less than $500 usd. Glad I bought it when I did
I don't know what AMD was thinking, there's no upgrade path from 6800 XT. 7800 XT seems to be same or less for same money or more. I'm not giving 1000€ for 7900 XT.
This is not always the case over the years/decades. Lots of times you are able to get a decent upgrade with a decent price, particularly in the 2nd hand market. Personally, I usually swap GPUs when I can get one that is around 150% of performance of my previous one. I upgraded from a 2080 Super (bought late 2019) to a 3080 Ti (used, late 2022), and I'm happy with the performance jump. Sold my older card and a bit of money back which was nice.
@Birbgsa decade ago was 980ti. It's pretty reasonable to call that an upgrade
@Birbgs cba "decades in plural implies 20 years or more, which is what they said"🤓
I'm currently stuck with a struggling 970GTX, barely holding itself together with its measly 3.5GB VRAM. Finding a valuable upgrade path has become a difficult. I've a 1440p 24" Dell Monitor that, unfortunately, only supports G-Sync and refuses to cooperate with AMD cards. To add to the challenge, I have a 650-watt platinum PSU installed.
Some games are already demanding a whopping 12 GB of VRAM, each potential upgrade path appears either excessively costly or lacking in longevity. As you mentioned, it might be wise to hold out if we can, but we may also find ourselves in the same position just a year later. To see that chart of the manufacturers making more money even though selling a lot less GPUs is not ideal for us gamers. Well, It seems I'm slowly becoming a retro gamer just not by choice.
Had to upgrade. I was getting 30 ish FPS in games like hunt showdown with my 980. Went from 6th gen I7 and 980 to 7800X3d and 4090
Upgrading from a 2070S to a 4090 (the only real standout card this generation in my opinion), which is going to be a massive jump in performance. Getting a hold of an FE card outside of the US is the real challenge though
dude, make sure you know the size of the 4090. i just had to rip my computer apart to get the asus rog strix 4090 and the thing was too big with my water cooler for the cpu. its like 16 inches long?!!?!
Im building PC with GTX 1650 back in 2019, and after many years there still no generational replacement at the same price point. The only thing that exists is GTX 1650, but with GDDR6 this time XD
also you could calculate your old GPU's resale price to the calculations making it more worth the upgrade
Well a way to stay on top and not break the bank every time a new technology comes out is to already have a big rig and be able to sell it at high enough price and repeat each time, this way you can easily save 40 percent on your new rig, this is what i've been doing for years now, the only downs side is the first big expense but you will save money in the long run.
I had a GTX 1060 for nearly 10 years. The prices of GPUs higher than the 3000-series are obscene. Guy at the store tried to tell me why he was sad he couldn't run a 4090 instead of the 3090 he owned, saying that he likes to run TWO GAMES on separate 4K monitors. WTF?? Who does this?? I got an RTX3060 with 16GB VRAM and I'm more than happy. Arguably "better" GPUs in the same series and in the 4000 generation have less VRAM, not more. Honestly unless you're doing 3D animation or video editing you really shouldn't need anything stronger than a 70-series at the RTX3000 level.
I upgrade every few generations, ATi 1650 to a ATi HD 3870, then to a AMD 6870, then to a Geforce 970 (which died and EVGA RMA upgraded me to a 1060), then I ended up finally getting a RX 5700XT and currently see absolutely no reason to upgrade any time soon.
My 6 rigs have 3090, 2080 Super, 3060 Ti, 1080 Ti, 980 Ti, 1050 Ti (plex server). 40 series is first time I've skipped an upgrade in years. The upgrade to 4090 was worthy but i was still happy with my 3090, roll on 50 series though
Every time i wanna upgrade my RX 580 it somehow just makes me hold on just a little longer...
I went from a 1060, to a 2080, to a 3070 (because I wanted a HDMI 2.1 port)... And yeah, there's just zero incentive to upgrade now. It helps that I tend to play games that are slightly older so I've not run into any memory limits yet.
It only really makes sense to upgrade if you're on the Nvidia 10 series, Amd 500 series, low end Nvidia 20 series/AMD RDNA1.
Hell, I bought a 6750xt, and while i couln't be happier with it, absolutely blew my old 1060 out of the water and got it at an awesome price, its not what would have expected to get in 2023.
When I was first saving up in late 2022, after the crypto crash and the prices "returning to normal" I had it in my mind I would probably have to wait enough that I'd get a RX7700xt or 7600xt as RDNA2 would already be replaced.
Well that ain't happening.
The main reason people wait 2 generations (at least) is because 2 generations of improvements is enough improve to justify the cost. But if one of those generations is nearly no improvement, then it’s not worth doing.
So I'm on a GTX 1070 and am getting poor performance on games I want to play NOW. It's just not worth suffering through 25-45 fps in Starfield and all the games that will come out in the next year, just for the next generation gpu's to s*ck again so the cycle of waiting another year starts again. I already saved a lot of money by not buying the 2000 and 3000 series, you have to consider that too, so it's not as bad having a bit of a worse deal now. That's why I am buying a 4000 series in the near future. If the 3000 series where cheaper one could consider buying those, but sadly with the pricing as it is now it just does not make sense do buy a 3000 series gpu.
Edit: also, you have to consider the worse efficiency of the amd cards. Nvidia cards may even come out cheaper if I hold one for another 5-6+ years by saving money on electricity. That would be an interesting video.
I upgraded three years ago from a radeon sapphire 6850 to a 1660 Super. I intend to keep it another 7 years. Only then it will be very worth it.
I upgraded from a GTX 1070 to a RTX 4070 recently ($600 MSRP, included a $100 Steam gift card). For an effective price of $500, the 4070 was a solid upgrade that also gave access to DLSS. The 12GB VRAM buffer will likely restrict it from lasting the 6.5 years the 1070 lasted me, but at $500 I feel like I'm not getting too shafted if I need to upgrade again in 4 years. In comparison, a 4070 Ti at $800 would've been completely out of the question given the VRAM limitation, while $1200 (2.4x cost) for a 4080 is way too much just to get an extra 2 years of life out of a card.
Though the irony of the situation is that the 1070 wasn't even the main bottleneck on the old PC. It was the quad-core Intel i5-6600k that was limiting FPS below 60 in many games. Upgrading the GPU to a 4070 a month before upgrading the rest of the system did almost nothing to improve FPS in the games I play.
Another point is that $400 in 2016 is not $400 in 2023. Using a US CPI calculator, It's $500. So I actually DID pay the same for the 4070 as I did for the 1070.
I like that the sponsor is Sapphire, showing off their Radeon RX 7900XT, and the first sentence after the sponsor bit is that upgrading to the 7000 series is not worth it.
I have Ryzen 5 3600 and RTX 2070. I have B450 series motherboard. The only mistake I did , purchased 400 series mobo instead of 500 series. OW, I could have easily replace 3600 with any new 5xxx series processor and could have got performance leap. But my system is now 4 years old and I feel like it is aged now. But still It is capable to play on 1080p mid to high settings latest games I guess.
1080ti (Used in 2018 for around $430) with a 3700x to a 7900XT ($550 with a Capital One credit) with a 7600x just this week...still waiting on some parts.
But a big gpu boost would have been hamstrung by the 3700x even at 4k. So, it was time.
I never bought high end gpus, i had 750 ti, rx 580, rtx 2060. When mining started to cool down and every miner was selling their graphics card i bought an used rtx 3080 ti for just $ 400, now i'll keep it until a $ 200-500 gpu with at least 16 or 20 gb and at least 40% more performance comes up. That doesn't seem close
I just got myself a 7800x3d with 7900xtx sapphire vapor nitro+ and DAMN this can run anything i throw at it 3440x1440 😍
"Why upgrading is pointless!"
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I upgrade every 2-3 GPU generations. I got a 3090 right when they came out and don't plan on spending any more money upgrading until either the Nvidia 5000, or 6000 series changes my mind.
I went from a evga RTX 2060 ultra that overclocked pulled around 205 watts to a 3060ti Twin Edge I have undervolted but overclocked and only pulling 165 watts from zotac new for 280$....Since i also added Another 34" Ultrawide 3440-1440 to replace my 60 hrtz 8 year old LG UM95 The 144hrtz Gigabyte ultrawide needed more graphics power and the 3060 Ti was just what i was looking for. Underclock some video card...most voltages are higher then they need to be and it sometimes works out to higher boost clocks since they run cooler
If it's not at least 100% better than what I already have, I'm not buying. That's regardless of the component. Still using an HD6950 2GB. I would've loved to upgrade, but the market hasn't allowed me and I'd rather wait. I sure as hell am not touching the RTX40 series.
Hearing that my 1070 is now 7yrs old hit hard. I've been trying to upgrade since the 3000 series came out lmao, nothings been worth or available. Maybe soon
I have a 1660ti, been looking at some cards mainly the 6700xt and 6800xt. Is it worth the jump then? Still rocking the AM4 stuff. Purchased a Ryzen 9 5900x because it was pretty cheap $377 CAD (had a Ryzen 5 3600x) I know I should have gone gpu first 😅 but couldn’t decide. Can sell the cpu If needed
RX 6700 XT Pulse 09-20G for $420 👍
It was x4 performance upgrade from $200 Radeon 300 series 😁
I'm still running my RX 580. Runs just like the day I brought it. Only now I've consider to upgrade but there is no decent upgrade for 200 bucks rn.
I’m on a Rx 580 that’s had several power caps blown off just for me to re solder new ones on and then throw on a kraken g12 because it was over heating and I can tell you right now I will not be upgrading for awhile if the prices don’t keep dropping I think I will just use it till the core gos
Just upgraded my whole PC from 2012, it had an HD 7790-FX 6300 to a 7900XTX-R7 7700.
That is a huge leap and ofc it is worth it, but i get that small generational leaps may feel meaningless.
In my case, i was so many generations behind, that it is fully ok to upgrade.
I’m stuck a bit like this. I have a 1080Ti with 11Gb - the costs for a 12Gb 4070 are still very high for the performance gain, also considered the 4060 16Gb but hear such bad reviews about this card.
Guess I’m waiting for the 50 series.
The 3 GPUs I've bought in recent history:
A 1060 6GB that cost £178 in early 2017
A 1070 that cost £300 in late 2017
A 1060 3GB that cost £80 in early 2018
What's my upgrade for any of these GPUs in the same price range, and with 3 generations worth of performance uplift?
1070 -> 12GB 6700xt ?
1060 6GB -> 8GB RX 6600 ?
What's that, 70-100% uplift over 6 year old GPUs? Colour me unimpressed =/
As for the 1060 3GB, I simply don't think it's possible to significantly beat it without spending well over £100; the 2023 low end GPU market *sucks*.
I bought a 3070ti last year for what I now realize was way too much money, and now I'm strongly thinking about getting an rx6950 xt just for the extra VRAM. And now it's cheaper than what I paid for the 3070ti!
My Upgrade Path:
3800XT -> 5800X3D
16GB RAM -> 32 GB
2080 Ti -> 3080 -> 4070 Ti
I hate everyone's comparisons of current releases to past releases. Just because something was previously, doesn't mean it will be that way in the future. When you want to upgrade your GPU, look at the current snapshot of the market and choose what's currently best for you. Don't worry about "But 3 years ago I would've had different options at different prices!"
"Where's the incentive to upgrade? Unless you're willing to spend more money than you did originally." If you want more you gotta pay more.
My question to all of you is what about an upgrade from a 1080ti? Mind you all, I just purchased the Asus PG42UQ as a birthday present for myself. In fact this is the first upgrade I've done to my computer in several years. If need be I can wait since I just don't game as much as I use to.
I have an RX560. Anything would be a huge improvement for me, but I find everything too expensive to justify the investment right now.
I bought a RX 6600 back in April 2022. Paid somewhere around 360ish dollars on it. I'm saving up now to build a new pc with a 7800x3d and whatever the best GPU around 700 dollars is for Starfield and any UE5 game. Hope to get the 7900xt or the 4080, but I really doubt any 4080 will be $700 any time soon. Will probably end up getting the 7800xt if it's a good enough upgrade from my 6600.
Brought second hand 580 OC in 2018 and replaced it with a XFX 7800 XT. Very happy with it and I'm glad I didn't buy anything in 2021/2022.
As much as I want to wait, I can't as my 5820k is showing its age, AIO is screaming even when watching videos and my 5700XT is too unstable in gaming most of the time and watching RUclips videos some of the time, as it has a burnt spot on the die due to lack of thermal paste. I thought I got the bottom of the GPU bin when I first purchased it and didn't want to void the warranty by replacing thermal paste for better cooling because I blindly believed that ROG Strix from ASUS was a premium card and that it shouldn't have that type of issues but I should have trusted my gut back then or else the 5700XT could be saved today but that burnt spot on the die is causing some serious issues now and therefore I have opted to buy/upgrade reluctantly but only to the cheapest ($799) 7900XTX I could find. Though the $560 7950x3D special seems like a good deal at the moment so I also got that before the deal ended.
there have not been games I want to actually play to push my 2080 S and I have not seen anything that looks that much better than before. I will see if FFXVI next year is the push for new hardware for me.
I had a 5700 xt and upgraded to a 6700 xt last year. Of course the 6700 xt is better than the 5700 xt, but being objective, I was good with the 5700 xt, it always ran smooth on a 144hz 1080p monitor. If you are in a tight budget, geta used 5700 xt for around 150 euros/dollars and you will be fine for 1080p
I had a 1070 and just bought an rx 6750xt. It was a huge upgrade for what $40 less than what the 1070 cost me new? That ain't bad.
I just bought a 6800XT for 400 euro, used, to upgrade my 5700XT that was starting to struggle with 1440P. I think I got a pretty good deal on it.
I needed more video ram, my 3080FE’s 10GB was bottleneck, pulled the trigger on 4090 yesterday… really stung. Was hoping to skip the generation, didn’t have a choice. Needed 16GB or more and decided to stick with nvidia, but really considered the 7900xtx. The other bit not mentioned here, on the high end, you’ll need to upgrade PSU this generation too, another 200-300 bucks. Guh…
my 2070super still rocks. for the games/resolution that i play it is still an overkill. Got my 2070super 10 days before the prices going insane. best buy ever
This is why I upgraded from desktop to Gaming Laptop because eventually you have to upgrade everything so my logics is buy a laptop use for a couple of years then upgrade to a new one. Once you upgrade the GPU more likely your cpu will bottleneck the faster specs get.
Sadly, I had to build a new PC during that crazy time, I purchased a Saphire Nitro 6700 + and I game in 1080p, and to me and my old eyes, it does just fine. A young friend of mine is looking to build a new PC from scratch after his old laptop died, and honestly, I don't know what to guide him too. AMD or Intel, as he wont be doing any intense gaming.
Refreshing and stat heavy - LOVE IT and Thank you!!
As longs as your application, e.g. game, is getting 60 fps, no need for upgrade. 30 fps and you feels lags and picture jumps.
I chose the game according to my GPU. So at the moment it is Enlisted and before it was Heroes & Generals before it closed its servers.
The GT 1030 gets around 40 fps on absolute minimum on Enlisted. Bad picture but it is playable. It uses then 1.7 GB of VRAM but offloads some to the system since on Absolute Minimum on the RX 6600 it uses 2.5 GB of VRAM.
With the RX 6600 I get on High around 170 fps and on Ultra 130 fps but it uses between 5 and 7 GB VRAM. So the RX 6600 will do it over the years with Enlisted when I am willing to reduce the settings in order to adjust to the VRAM usage.
For my other system I just ordered the RX 6700 XT and that is about 41% more performance than the RX 6600.
The RX 6600 I got new for 210$ and the RX 6700 XT for 340$ both on amazon.
As someone who went from an RTX2070 to an RX7900XT: I can assure you that the upgrade made sense.
I don’t expect to see much improvement in value next generation. It feels like the GPU manufacturers feel like they have been too generous with generational uplift.
I’d like to buy a 4070ti but can’t stomach a price over AUD$1000. Ridiculous.
Got evga 3090 ftw3 for $700 with 2.5 years warranty on it... i think im happy....
Not always true, I've upgraded from a $1000ish RTX3080 (early 21...) to a $1000ish RX7900XTX and got around +50% performance and +140% VRAM !
To be honest, I went from RX 460 coupled with my (Amd phenom II X4 BE/AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core.) to a Jumped and upgraded to a AMD Ryzen 3700X and a GTX 1660 SUPER to now a RX 6650 XT. I will never pay over $400 dollars for a GPU or CPU. My next desktop rig will be in 2025 or 2026.
I wonder if you could do a whole system upgrade, probably the same answer that you won't get much better perf unless you invest more that on the original. I would like to see what sort of gains and budget needed to upgrade from i7 6700K 16GB 5700 XT
with the 3070 ti and an 4790k, I am okay gaming on 1080p. Im gonna wait for the 60 series before upgrading my monitor, gpu and cpu when 4k gaming becomes affordable.
Nail on the head. To buy outright they are basically the same as previous gen. But too everyone who bought the previous gen what's the point? Both companies are being entirely tone deaf. Jensen needs to learn we're not paying more for DLSS3 and Lisa needs to learn they can't charge Nvidia prices for similar tier products
Ive just built a amd am5 system.. so my upgrade path is simply wait until i can't emulate a title and wait for the card im after tomdrop price like a stone.. dont worry, I'm patient. I can wait.
I want to replace my Vega 64, but don't want to wait another 18 months. I don't know what to do.
As a 3070 owner, I decided to do an upgrade by overclocking the VGA by 15 percent. An wait.
I've upgraded from 4year old pc 3700x&5700xt to 5800x3d & 7900xt. Got a good deal for 7900xt (630$+tax), I think it's cost per frame (about 6.3$) is good and better than 5700xt 7.4$
I need to upgrade my R9 380, but with this generation... i think i'll wait til it breaks and hope that it happens when the next gen is out (and that gen hopefully won't as much as joke as the current one)
I had a Nitro+ 5700xt and I loved that card. Very good quality for the price.
I’ve been holding onto my 1050ti for so long now that a decent 3060 12GB is a great upgrade for me.
I don't understand why some people upgrade their pc or graphics card every 1 year. It's expensive and a waste of money. Why upgrade your gpu or PC when it's working just fine and isn't broken? I guess some people want to get the latest technology features.
I have a 1060 which will sound medevil by this point but it serves me well when playing almost any game apart from the really new ones, but with the state of AAA games today I really don't feel a strong pressure to buy a new GPU to play those. Although I am looking forward to upgrade my GPU I don't see anything in my price range, currently the only graphics card I'm considering is the 6800, but it is from AMD and I'm scared that the RT and AI frame generation thing will work worse then the 4070 which is too expensive for me.
I went from a 1080 Ti to a 6950 XT in january 2023. It's been great. If I had known how fast 7900 XTX prices would fall I would have just waited for that though.
Nice to have skipped all the card issues with the 7900xtx though. I'm happy with my 6950xt!
I’m thinking of this, I’m still running gtx 1080 but my cpu or motherboard died (old i5 6600k) and I’ve had to upgrade to now ryzen 5 5600, thinking of upgrading gpu too but nvidias offering has been meh
@@scruffmcgruff8742 Not really a lot of issues if you buy a good partner card. The real bummer is the power states at idle...it still sucks a lot of energy and it's not 100% fixed.
Yeah I bought a 6950XT and upgraded from 3060ti and I love it just wish I could have waited to get Starfield instead of Guardian of the Galaxy that came with it
@@or1on89 my hopes for AMD is that their next gen is actually good. I mean, in terms of total power draw and power efficiency. Especially with high idle load issues.
Otherwise the 7900 XTX has actually been good.
Agree 100%! Do nothing and wait. Insane pricing WILL get only more insane if people just buy no matter what. Thanks Guys!
Now's the time to upgrade different components, case or a monitor.. That is the nice thing about building your own PCs, you can be more flexible about upgrading when certain parts are excessive in price.
Jensen is trying really hard to be "We have Jobs at home" these days 🤣That AI karaoke sounded desperate af
Prices will not decrease, they will only get more expensive over time. Cars, guns pc parts and many more other things never go back down in price once increased.
Some people don't mind spending more, if you need more gpu power just buy something
Not too different from realestate you can wait but the prices will just keep increasing. Nvidia has ai and other places it can get money unfortunately it doesn’t hurt their pockets to screw over their og base.
Had a 580 that I recently replaced with a 6800XT that I got new from Amazon for a little over $400USD on Prime Day. Should last me years. Hopefully the GPU market will turn around by then.
gpu market turn around? Prices have plummeted. You can get 3090's for 400$. I see 4080's daily for $500 cheapest prices I can remember for the most part since the early 2010's.
The market has been normal and could be considered good for the last 6 months to a year.
@@maniswil2 4080 for 500 dollars ? Do you have a link ?
@@ritchienithoo9479 Facebook marketplace. I've been a reseller on there for years. GPU's, and used cars having one of the worst years in recent memory.
@@maniswil2 "You can get 3090's for 400$", you must be talking about used cards. Not all sellers are serious, you probably saw a scam ad. No one would be so dumb as to sell a 3090 for a loss that big.
My biggest concern is how new generations are being conditioned that poor price to performance is normal. I really appreciate your efforts to track this information and keep people accountable.
the manufacturers are trying to convince that is "new normal" p/c. we just vote by wallet.
People keep saying “conditioning”, but it’s not exactly that simple. To a certain extent people conditioned companies to raise prices.
Honestly there’s a enough blame to go around. During the pandemic and subsequent years, People have demonstrated to these companies that gpu demand is less elastic than they thought. If the pandemic demand was just an outlier, and while gpu sales have declined, they would have and should fallen off a cliff, and that’s not what happened. Basically people are willing to pay thousands of dollars for Pc gaming, and a significant portion will be the GPU. There’s something wrong with the demand , not just the supply portion of the graph.
@@sunnywong9526herea the problem with "vote with your wallet"
It doesn't work, this is Nvidias worst selling generation in years, and Nvidia just hit their highest evaluation point in history
All because of AI and them selling AI hardware, because of that Nvidia can do whatever tf they want to the gaming market, and if they lose money? Who cares, AI will make that money back x100
For Nvidia having 1, 2, 3, or however many gaming generations sell terrible as it takes to brute force these prices as normal, is worth it, because they make thier losses back in AI
We lose either way
@@robertt9342o that's exactly what happened
GPU demand has fallen off a cliff, it's the lowest its been in not 5 years, or 10
It's the lowest it's been in over 20 years
The pandemic was an outlier
The second hand bargain buys will eventually dry up, all will be forgotten then.
Problem solved.
And don`t think it won`t happen, NV has time.
For the longest time the rule I follow is to don't worry about upgrades until your games aren't performing the way you need them to perform. For instance, if you're starting to see more and more 30 fps averages, and you upgrade to something that gets you 60+ fps, you WILL notice that and feel good about that upgrade. But if you're getting 80 fps and your upgrade gets you to 110 fps, even if you have a high refresh rate monitor you might find yourself sitting there wondering if it was worth it.
Exactly, I had a GTX770 which I ran lowering the settings over the 4 years I used it until it just couldn't keep things smooth while looking dated. Replaced it with a 1060 6GB and used that for 3 years until it started struggling to get 60FPS at 1080P, replaced that with a 2060S 3.25 years ago and that's holding up very well and it might become a 5 year card for me due to all the upscaling tech being employed now. I've yet to get a game it struggles with. The best part is it just means next upgrade will be cheap because RTX5000 will be just out so 3000 cards and AMD alternatives will be out there for peanuts. As it stands you can get 2080tis for as little as half the price of a new 4060ti so if I wanted an upgrade now I'd probably just get one of those and a tube of thermal paste.
@@Daniel-mw7pu My dream monitor is the Corsair Xeneon FLEX ultra wide, but it's just so expensive. I think I might eventually go with one of the LG QNED based 4K tv's Jayz 2Cents showed in a previous video. They had really good HDR to them, were good for gaming and depending on which model you buy you can get a 55" for $700. So it just makes more sense to me.
Not sure about that one tbh. While sure it financially makes sense, I don't follow this mindset. I now have a lot more disposable income by picking extra shifts and doing double shifts so I can guilt free go overboard on my PC. I barely play anything other than CSGO these days, but I still get a lot of joy every time I do play the games when everything hits high FPS. I still remember how happy I was when I got Shadow of Mordor to hit 144FPS back in the day even though it didn't necessarily didn't improve my gameplay experience substantially.
@@Daniel-mw7pu As much as I really wanna try the OLED craze everyone is so hyped about, this channel has repeatedly said that if you do any non gaming or video work on your computer, you shouldn't buy OLED because of the high risk of burn in. I do a lot of web browsing, etc. Games are only a small part of the time I spend on my PC. Just not sure if its a viable option for anyone else in the same boat as me.
@@rahulahl The LG QNED based tv's that Jayz 2Cents tested are less likely to have burn in problems as they're not actually OLED panels, but are a tech supposed to be very similar. As for the Corsair Xeneon FLEX ultra wide it has burn in protection to help prevent that. Because it's very expensive for a monitor.