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Mores Law said that AMD is delaying the launch of the RX 8000 series for next year because they have a large amount of unsold RX 7800 and RX 7900 series graphics cards. He also says that the price of the 7800X3D went up because they reduced or stopped the production of the 7000 series processors. Because they switched production to 8000 series processors. The 8800X3D is expected to be released soon.
Your timestamp titles are wrong. By the way, the real reason why AMD skipped the High End this gen is because they need the CoWoS allocation at TSMC for MI300 family. Not to mention that PS5 Pro is RDNA 4.
@@delfinigor First off, the new Ryzen are 9000 series. Second off, MLID is an idiot. Lastly, if AMD is to do chiplet GPUs at the moment, they will prioritize MI300.
I'm hoping the AMD RX 8000 Series GPU's will be released in about 4 - 6 Months, because i don't know how much long er I can hang on with my 'Inferior RX7600XT GPU' ??
I'm looking at X870/E boards though am not sure I will build again. Still on 12900KF 4090 48gb DDR5. I can build again but am not sure when, curious how the 9800X3D performs (still maining Nobara Linux) and if the new X870 boards are better. Kind of a wait and see if AM5 gets better reviews.
I pray... PRAY he finds a cure for spastic RUclips Hands disorder. While I'm picking nits: It's pronounced es-*the*-tic not es-tet-tic and it's har-ben-jer not har-bring-er. Ok, I'm done. =)
Whats funny is another Mr. White lookalike has another youtube tech channel diving in to uhh i guess home AI development hahaha Edit: Breaking Bad cast stopped crime and just made youtube channels
5090 rumored with 32GB and 512 bit bus... 5080 rumored with 16GB and 256 bit bus. They're absurdly arrogant now, they're genuinely only making the 5090 amazing (and ridiculously price) while making the rest of the product stack crippled.
They have the market by the nuts bro, just like Intel vs AMD before 2017. Better shut up and be patient until some company saves us... I will personally keep my RTX 3060 for an extra 5/6 years at the very least.
@@carlosrieum1526 If it comes with 24gb, I'd prolly buy one depending upon price. Really wanted the 5090, cause I'm doing a new build with the Ultra 9 285k... but between rumored pricing upwards of $3000 and that 600w... hard pass. I honestly feel like I might be looking at an AMD card if things don't look better and I haven't touched AMD since 2008.
Nice 👍 You can even buy a 4k monitor later on because your PC is probably a bit bored for a while :D that 144Hz in 1440p is a easy target for these prime CPU and GPU 💪
I understand where you're coming from, @orion9k But I'd argue it depends on the type of games they play. Personally I'd push those frames in esports titles easily. But when you play AAA titles on high/ultra many games stay under 144 fps. Although getting something with actually usable HDR is a good point. But if you use the computer for more than gaming, before buying OLED I'd wait for the burn in to improve or a different tech to become affordable that fixes that issue entirely with great latency and HDR
good choice i bought a 3070 ti on release day for $850 and sold it within a year, it was the only GPU ive ever regreted purchasing in 30+ years of pc gaming
@@RedWolfenstein Its really not, 8gb cards are literally unusable. Why do you think so many people got rid of 3070s/3080s so quickly? Even 12gb is becoming obsolete
Bad choices, that's why. DLDSR+DLSS visual difference is colossal. I would take several hits to raw performance to not be stuck with FSR and a basic supersampler like VSR.
6600XT but i'm staying in 1080p resolution. so i'm happy with a decent midrange GPU. although my GPU can rock a 1440p monitor but i got enough space for 2 24in monitor on my table. and I'm fine having 24in monitors.
Personally went with the 7900xtx this gen because 1 - AMD seems to age better and it takes me forever to upgrade. The last few generations of AMD GPUs aged really well considering their higher Vram... 2 - When I saw the potential FIRE risk from the 4090 I really didn't care how awesome the card was, and it made me question some other build quality of the whole generation. So I went with AMD. It has been a really solid card so far, and I guess we will see how well it ages. AMD has a lot to catch up for in the AI space and I am my guess is the 7900xtx will age pretty well.
My prediction is that the 5080 and 5090 will have "reasonable" MSRPs but oopsies, we didn't produce enough of them so there's a supply shortage and the price is going up 20%
Jason. I was a person who always thought that NVIDIA was what people needed for gaming because I thought it was the best choice. My son bought a mid-range computer with AMD-based CPU and GPU. How wrong I was. He spent about EUR 2,000 on a computer without a monitor. And now the best part: To be able to achieve the same gaming results on INTEL and NVIDIA, I would have to spend 200 to 250 euros more
I 100% agree with your belief on recommending AMD over Invidia. Also, would i never be able to, morally, support a company who is insidious. Funny thing is that "invidia" means "envy, jealousy, grudge, ill-will, hatred".....no thank you.
I’m super happy running 1440p ultra on everything while getting over 100 fps on my 7800xt when I had to spend 100 or 200$ more to match everything on NVIDIA
I am so behind the times now.. I bought a 2017 Mustang GT with only 8,909 miles on her about a year ago and haven't played or bought any games since. truthfully I stopped gaming for a while prior. I have a 5900X 6800XT combo on a Decent AM4 B550 ASRock Board, in a Phanteks P500A case and have been good with high settings, 4K 60hz gaming to this day.. yeah some of the Newer games I have to go from Ultra to High settings. Or a mix of Medium to High settings.. Like Hogwarts was the last game I paid for and it played great in 4K on high settings, I can't go ultra maxed out 200 FPS but so what. It's All Just A Game... But Finally none of this stuff is cheap anymore.. Back in the Day a Top tear GPU was at the most $300 buck's and now people are paying anywhere from $500 to $2000 plus just for a GPU.. It's nutz.. Anyway I will always have a love for PC's and gaming but I'm done spending over the top money for video games.. No more..
I bought the XFX 6950 XT a year ago for $699 and It's amazing! I run all games in Native res on ultra preset and with Future Frame Gen when available. The monitor i use is 1440p 165hz and i've had no issues using a AMD card. AMD is the new gpu king.
glad you said something about testing. while i do like the videos its pretty silly to think anyone would notice a 15% uplift let alone a 5% one. people put way too much stock on the visuals graphs rather than real world use
Nvidia being stingy with vram is nothing new, their 970 technically had 4GB but effectively it was 3.5GB and a lot of consumers weren’t getting their performance advertised. For the games most people play, AMD is the obvious choice in terms of value and performance
I feel like NVIDIA is withholding the VRAM on their GPUs because they want people to upgrade their GPU more often they decided the 1080ti has done more to stop them selling more GPUs than anything else and they sure do t want to repeat that “mistake”
I built my first gaming rig over the last holiday season. Your videos were very helpful in determining what to build. Almost a year later, I have zero regrets. I went with a 7900xtx, 7800x3d, gskill 32gb ddr5 6000 cl30 ram,msi b650 edge mobo, lian li dynamic evo case, 7 nf-a12x25 fans, lt720 AIO, 2 and 4 tb gen 4 ssd, corsair rm1000x psu. My first game was Skyrim nolvus v5. I can't wait to play v6 this holiday season!
Daniel Owen did a survey on his channel and he found that 88% do not care about upscaling whatsoever. 92% do not care about raytracing either. So it is nice to see that this channel is also confirmed that as well with it's own survey. Nobody cares about DLSS/FSR/XeSS. Now let's address the FSR vs DLSS question. FSR and DLSS are virtually indistinguishable at a 4k base resolution. DLSS is the one that looks better at any resolution below that....1440p and 1080p for example but you will have to pixel peep as he said in this video to really find those differences.
Do keep in mind that most tech channel communities are full of self sampling and selection bias. People watching these channels are no way indicative of the average consumer.
90% of the people who follow PC tech sites don't care about DLSS/Ray Tracing, then 80% of buyers purchase Nvidia... because it has "superior DLSS and ray tracing." It's good to be "the king."
The best deals of the year is during the week just after Christmas when January hits all the companies do inventory. After Christmas, they have one week to clear their 2024 inventory and that week is always the best prices. The year and numbers and inventory for the past year means a lot to a company.
Im just about to build 7800X3D, 4070 ti super, 360mm aio, 2tb crucial p5, ddr5 6000mh cl30, msi b650S wifi ax and msi 850w gold 80+, with a dual chamber case with 7 fans for £1750 not bad!
Fluid motion frames has been a game changer for me, going from like 75-90 fps with ultra graphics to about 150 fps just makes you not wanna upgrade your gpu.
I really hope AMD does something interesting on the mid-low range, cuz by the lastest rumors of the RTX 50 series, it looks that the 5080 would have half the specs of the 5090 wich would mean that the rest of the lineup would be cutdown GPUs like on the 40 series(wouldnt be suprised to see a 5060 with 8GB or 5070 with 12GB), being AMD there could "force" Nvidia to at least release 5060S,5070S,5080S with better prices.
Small note for budget builders: on the used market, you can get a 3070 for $250 all day now, while I've had a hard time finding a 6800 NON xt for under $300
@@terrafair3248 I am also on 2014 (ddr3+4790k) pc Why go ddr4 when going ddr5 is almost same price and has better future proof upgrade opportunities ? I am upgrading soon into: AM5 Gigabyte UD itx MOBO 7500f CPU 32GB 30CL 6000hz RAM Just enough to play on 360 hz / 500 hz monitors in 1080p CS2
@@Generationalwealth94 That's what I did. I had a rx6600xt paired with my Frankenstein mom's office PC that I put 16 gigs of DDR3 and an i5 4590 in. Now ryzen 7700x and 32 gigs DDR5. Difference is very noticeable, especially in games.
I couldn't wait for holiday sales and ordered my parts last week, finally built my first gaming PC since 2006 yesterday. Went with 7900gre over 4070 super. Time will tell if that was the right decision, but for now it works great. Your videos helped me a lot, both in choosing the parts and putting it all together, followed your building guide and got it right first try! Thank you Jason!
Thank you! Everything is working great, jumping from a 15" laptop screen to 27" gaming monitor is amazing! I'm still researching all the overclocking options to squeeze the most out of my Ryzen 7700 and 7900gre, but for now even the stock settings are plenty fast and smooth.
Of course, you will not see the difference between fsr and dlss at 4k since the base resolution is high enough for fsr to work well. But using fsr at 1440p, you will noticing the difference. Especially at 1080p.
In the past AMD GPU's did not even cross my mind, but then Mr. Jason recommended one for my build I was asking about and he was kind enough to look it over and sent me a list. I though this man knows what he is talking about and if he said it was the one to get then I believe him. I'm very happy I did, I'm now team AMD and today I'm using a RX 7900 XT and love it, I upgraded from the 6650 xt he had originally recommended to me. AMD GPU's are the best in my opinion, once you factor in the price, the V-ram and the quality of the GPU. (Ray-Tracing is still a gimmick) I'm lucky enough to be enjoying one, and it is because I listened to what Mr. Jason had to say. I will be using my RX 7900 XT for many years before I start looking for a new GPU.
I'm looking for a good GPU to run the new Monster Hunter Wilds in 1440p, I'm not afraid of buying used. I need this upgrade before the end of fedruary 2025. I would like to do this a cheap as possible my current sights are set on a RX 6800 used. Should I wait for prime day or after the holiday season when people are selling their old GPUs or should I hold out for RX 8000 serise to release and get a good deal on a 7000 serise. (Nvidia is an option for me but budget is king here)
I'm actually in this exact same boat. I want to play Wilds at 1440p, and I'm looking to get most or all of the parts either around the holidays, or based on sales due to other product launches.
I have a new* RX6800 I just used in an AM4 build, I'm also looking forward to play MH wilds. Those requirements are crazy, even in the " Recommended " you'll get 60 FPS AFTER you enable FSR / DLSS ( and not even in high settings if I'm understanding it correctly ).... Hear a lot of people comparing those specs to Dragons Dogma 2.
I agree with your NVIDIA and AMD assessment. I had always used NVIDIA GPU's. At the time of purchase last year. There was no better bang for the buck card than a 6800 XT at the $500 price point. I made the leap. If money was no object, yes I would get a 4090.
I think it's preferable to present frametimes in dB like so: 10*log10(frametime/5ms) Because the 'feel' for everything we else we sense scales logarithmically like that. This shows up particularly that gains at lower frame rates matter much more than the same fps increase when already at high fps. Which actually helps supports arguments like 'doesn't feel different', which it won't if it's just a couple dB.
As someone who uses cards from both companies. Rx 6800 and rtx 4070 Super. I agree with hardware unboxed, daniel owen and digital foundry that dlss is far better than fsr. You dont have to zoom in to see the difference. Thats done in videos because of youtube compression and frame rates. You can clearly see the disocclusion artifacts, ghosting and shimmering that fsr has. Its the same issues that taa has, but amplified. DLSS quality at 1440p and 4k looks better than native with taa in modern games. Or atleast what we call native. As we never actually see the native base render. It always go through temporal image reconstruction, post processing, denoising, overlays ect before it ever gets to our screens. And that base render isnt the only thing that goes into the dlss image reconstruction. It also uses geometric depth, motion vectors, ect. It basically comes down to if a few filters selected by hand can compete with hardware accelerated AI reconstruction trained with machine learning. Also far more games that force RT or have upscaling in the recommended speca then there are games that need 12gb of vram at 1440p. Sure a few games you can force over 12gb with ultra settings, rt and at native resolution. But even path traced Cyberpunk at 1440p max settings dlss quality with ray reconstruction uses under 10gb of vram. Using the rx 6800 made me reailze how overstated the vram hysteria is. If i forced it to use over 12gb the game would be so demanding that i only got like 20fps anyway. Using realistic settings to get atleast 60fps i never got close to using (not allocating) 12gb.
I think you and many other have watched these videos and are convinced you'd see the difference, but I think in practice you wouldn't. Maybe I'm wrong and you can, and there are certainly differences, but I think in use the nobody is going to really notice the difference between dlss and fsr without looking with a magnifying glass or having 2 gpus testing side by side all the time. I also think the vram is more a case of wanting more for the money they're charging, which I agree with, I don't think you should pay $400-500 for a GPU with less than 16gb.
When you are upscaling from 1440p to 4K, the differences between FSR and DLSS are probably their least noticeable. I think what everybody is up in arms about is how FSR doesn't really upscale the lower end stuff as well. And really that's their target market. So a more complete answer would be something like "Rendering native on the low end is a better deal with AMD and rendering with upscaling on the high end the difference is minimal."
I liked your response to the fsr/dlss/value question! You had enough respect for the asker to really go in detail and give a thorough answer. FWIW my anecdotal experience matches up with your answer too. I have a 1440 ultrawide and i prefer to run at native rendering. My 7900xtx delivers better than 4080 fps in the games i play, and i spent $200 less on it than i would have needed to spend on a 4080, even though i bought on release in December of 22 and got a premium version. I'm baffled that amd is still such a small segment of the market given the value.
I'm so glad you made this video about the amd over nvidia recommendations, I bought my first amd card a couple of years back , wanted the 12g 3080 but it sold out in my cart so I went with the 6950xt which was actually 60$ cheaper turns out was the best decision I've made , more performance for the same or less money is a no brainer. I look at it this way unless nvidia drops prices , I like nvidia, but unless I buy a 4090, I'm likely to choose the nvidia alternatives. In my opinion, dlss over fsr is not worth almost 60 to 100$ different.
AMD offers good GPUs but people are scared to buy them. I know this because I was one of "those people" before replacing my RTX 3070 for a 7900 XT. After 18 months, I could not be happier with the 7900 XT. No more VRAM problem, very stable with the current gen of drivers and the Adrenaline software is just great (got rid of Afterburner which is a good thing).
Generally agree with everything you said. A few arguments don’t follow. You argued a 7900GRE is better than a 4070 super because ray tracing requires more vram. That may be true, but the 4070 super has much better ray tracing performance.
Sorry some of that discussion was edited for time. What I was saying is that some will argue that 4070 S > 7900 GRE because Ray Tracing performance tips it over the edge. But Ray tracing requires more VRAM, often now exceed 12GB at 1440p Ultra.
@@PCBuilderChannel So you fucking don't run 1440p native and run DLSS to get ray tracing and get a proper looking image? There's no game in which you won't be fine with a 4070 S on a 1440p monitor. For now at least. Just get the 4070 Ti Super if you must though.
I bought my 7700XT a few months back open box at $350 and its been amazing with my 5800X (I'll upgrade when AM6 comes out cuz it's still running amazing). I love keeping up to date with the pc market and got the itch to update my setup and ended up buying a OLED ultrawide. I'm excited to see how the pc market changes over the next few months but will be watching from the sidelines.
Price to performance of high end cards is definitely in AMD''s favor. 4090 is faster but spending 100% more money for 25% more performance doesn't make sense!
AMD Price to Performance beats Nvidia every time. Nvidia may have better upscaling, but not by much. I for one would much rather have a better GPU overall at a cheaper price, than a worse performing GPU with slightly better upscaling at a higher price.
say what you want but amd is far behind nvidia, the only thing their gpu could compete with is gaming, amd lose to nvidia in almost all productivity apps
We just dropped our new 4K monitor guide if you want to check that out! Our current 1440p Gaming Monitor video is still accurate and I go over the links there daily
@@PCBuilderChannel You must’ve read my mind and had in the works already. Can’t wait to watch it. Thanks bro and keep up the good work. 1st pc build coming up and have been using you as my blueprint.
In certain situations, FSR 3.0 is not vastly inferior to DLSS. In terms of games like Warzone, FSR vastly outperforms DLSS, to the point where using DLSS is so bad that it causes stutters and tanks fps, where FSR 3.0 is much better. In fact, the only two frame gen options that do work well for that game are FSR 3.0 and Fidelity FX CAS. For context, I’m using an Nvidia 3060 12gb, and still using FSR 3.0 because it is so much better for fps over DLSS.
@@katid571 umm no….. look up literally any optimized settings video on the game. Every single one is using and recommending either FSR 3.0 of Fidelity FX CAS. Even people running high end graphics cards like the 7900 models, 4070/80/90 are using frame gen.
Also testing at 4k and saying you have to "zoom in", like no way... you need to sit right next to a 4k monitor to really appreciate 4k. Very few people use 4k. Over half of steam uses 1080p. This is some user benchmark level excuses we have here.
I'm glad I bought the 7800x3d when it was 360 euro in my country. Now it's at 420-450. The only thing worrying me is the prices of the gpus that have increased aswell, the 4070 ti super gaming oc from gigabyte was 820 and now it's 900. I might wait for the 50 series and hope the prices drop even by a bit.
I remember I used to think this, then I watched some older Boost My Builds and he used to recommend nVidia just as often when they made sense. But as he has been trying to explain nVidia has turned it's back on retail gamers and are counting on uninformed customers buying their products based off their brand name. And it's working...
I totally get it if gaming is your concern. But being able to host a local LLM is pretty incredible for a lot of people. That was a tipping point for me, but I work in an industry where that is helpful.
Illegal Chinese are buying 4090’s here and shipping them back to China to curtail the embargo as long as they are not in the retail boxes. That’s why invidia prices won’t go down except for the other mediocre series that they offer. Hate to mention politics but that’s the real lowdown and not just nitpicking races. Indians also do it too because gpu prices are extremely expensive per region there too. The market prices will remain high because someone that we don’t know are buying those high end gpu’s because scalpers in Asia are offloading them. The black markets which once gets to Asia can also be resold as far as to Russia for more money as tech is embargoed. Food for thought gentleman, have a blessed day and take care.
As if AMD didn't raise their GPU prices these past generations just like Nvidia? They just undercut slightly while having way worse cards. Try the image quality comparison on a 1080p monitor (which more than 50% of steam uses) with DLDSR+DLSS vs AMD equivalent FSR+VSR.
Nice to see a youtuber tech channel that reads and reacts to the comments. Saying that a schooling session was given on the topic of amd vs nvidia and raw frame/vram advantages, but facts are facts even your polls show this.
Yes. AMD gpus are just inferior unfortunately. I wanted to get a XTX but it's actually better to just get a 4080 super if you do ANY kind of productivity. The 4080 runs way cooler which means it's gonna be quieter. The 1% lows are way better on a 4080 so the user experience is gonna be better with fewer hiccups.
18:15 I usually pick up PC Parts in January-February. There's A LOT of Christmas shopping being done in Romania, and in January, there's A LOT of returns. Some open box deals are considerably cheaper than any promotion or deal you might find throughout the year. And open-box just means someone bought it, used it for a couple days tops, and then returned it. You still get the same warranty and the same return policy. Most of my parts have been bought like this and I saved up a ton of money. I'm talking 25-33% price cuts. When was the last time nVidia, AMD or Intel offered a 25% price cut at once (not in the span of years) on something?
NVIDIA is getting to big, and gamers whine about the prices they pay for their hardware ..... go to the competition in droves. NVIDIOTS that say Radeon software sucks are stupid, they are just idiotic fanboys that never tried Radeon.
Bought a RX 7900XTX to try the red side and my experience was terrible. High temps, high power usage and driver problems. Returned it and bought a RTX4080. All my problems were gone. Unfortunetly, Nvidia has better products overall.
@@FellipeAlmada325you know with the software it’s stupid easy to underclock the card and would of solved the temps and high power usage issue in seconds. Now even nvidia be having driver issues i have both as well so you just didn’t want to look into to it too much.
@@Mrhandyhitman So does Nvidia can undervolt, AMD undervolt perfomance impact hit is very high, unlike Nvidia that undervolt impacting less. And who the hell undervolt using Graphic card's driver? MSI Afterburner curve optimizer is way better in every single ways. AMD had issue on older 2000s game and still is.
@@Mrhandyhitman The fact is it usually AMD iGPU driver causing issue on most gaming laptop, They break nvidia driver stuff, They were causing system instability. AMD is few years away from Nvidia, Who said Nvidia has no issue, It just Nvidia issue isn't that common and usually isn't that big.
Your videos are great and very insightful, however, us in Europe have to take power consumption into consideration, which in turn makes picking an AMD card a difficult choice over NVIDIA. It's very aggravating.
Did you get a new camera? This video looks a lot cleaner, higher quality. Really good filming on this one, maybe it's been there a while but it really struck me watching this video.
Great video and you spoke so much truth! My RX6950XT is still going strong. I am shooting for a year into the next generation AMD RX cards before I consider an upgrade. Until then i am going to enjoy flawless 2k gaming at high fps.
I have a 6800XT and to be honest with you. I Love it, and i have no regrets! I bought it in (late) Dec. 2022 and paid $550 for it. This thing will go for two more years (or longer) with no problem. I did my research on computer gaming including with Jason here. I paired it with a 5800X3D cpu on ROG Strix B550 pro WIFI MB. I went all in on AM4 and my system works as well or better than i wanted or expected. I tip my cap to PC Builder for they're advice and guidience, thank you Sir and Ma'am!!
Until this past year, I hadn’t built a pc since 2002, when I was in college. And I had never purpose built a gaming pc. I don’t exactly have any expendable income, but I purchased a RTX 4070 and a RX 7800 XT, in order to gauge what type of GPU I wanted for 1440p gaming. The 7800 XT definitely had much better native resolution frames versus the 4070. However, I ultimately chose the 4070 simply due to my inexperience with configuring driver app settings for specific games. With AMD Adrenalin there was so much more trial and error (even with RUclips tutorials), over the Nvidia app which tuned my in-game settings to my personal specs and/or giving its best recommendations with minimal effort. Afterwards I traded the 7800 XT for a 7900 GRE and put it in my college-aged daughter’s build (who has much more knowledge and experience with fine tuning gaming settings), I placed the 4070 in my teen sons’s build, and I went with a 4070 Super. In the future, as mine and my son’s gaming pc experience increases, we will probably err towards better price-to-performance GPUs from AMD. I’m totally open to criticism or any additional insights from anyone. Thanks! 🤙
I am happy I got the 7800x3d when I did ~6, or 7 months ago. Hopefully it can last me =P I usually did the: make 1 build then completely rebuild in the past, but I got into AM5 for upgradability this time. So I am hoping it can last me until AMD decides to finally ship an x3d with 16 cores that ALL have 3d vcache. With my 7800x3d running at 60watts peak, I can only imagine a 16 core 3d vcache CPU would be running a measly 120ish watts at most. Unless the two separate dies introduces an inefficiency that I am unaware of.
Hello! Thank you for your videos. I'm currently running something about 1.5 yr old build (ryzen 5 5600 + RX 6800xt + 16gb ram). I mostly play CS2 and occasionally some single player AAA titles. The most important for me is to achieve stable 360Hz performance in CS2 - would you prefer building up a new PC and selling the old one (I'm thinking something along the lines of 7800x3d + RX 7900 XT/4080 for the higher end games + leave some room for streaming) or would you keep the old card and just swap the CPU and MB for a new one? :)
For CS2 I'd go ahead and drop in a 5700X3D which will allow you to upgrade the GPU as high as you want in the future. See our "how to upgrade your pc 2024" video for more
Have you ever considered doing builds for DIY low power NAS/Home servers/Gaming servers? I've recently been researching more into data hoarding since more and more companies seem to be of the mindset that they can take away your purchases whenever they want or whenever a contract ends/falls through. I've looked into prebuilt stuff like synology but it all seems pretty expensive for generations old tech. Enough just for mass storage but not for much else. Newer cpus like the 35w Ryzen PRO 8700GE are not available for the everyday consumer so I'm at a loss on what I should be looking for.
If you have some of the budget left after assembling your parts list, should you invest in more powerful components now (e.g. moving up a CPU or GPU tier) to maximize the time you can use your new PC before needing to upgrade, or save the leftover budget and put it towards future upgrades or the next PC?
Got a Hyte y40 prebuilt from iBuyPower at my local Walmart that was on clearance(due to being a display model)for 700 dollars and it had a Ryzen 7 7700 and a 4070, I was so stoked I got my sister a really really good first PC!
I reluctantly got an RX 6700XT back during the crypto-bubble nightmare instead of the perpetually sold out RTX 3070 that I wanted because it had "Nvidia" on it. I've been very impressed with the AMD card and I feel like I dodged a bullet with the 3070's VRAM issues. The Nvidia mind share virus has cleared from my brain and I'm comfortable going with either AMD or Nvidia depending on what makes the most sense for a given price point in the future.
There’s a difference between “non-budget” and “money is no object” builds. Regardless of how much better DLSS is over FSR (and frankly I don’t think it’s that much better, it’s just fanboy logic to argue otherwise), it still makes sense to pick AMD simply for cost to performance. Look, a 4080 Super is $1k, but a 7900XTX which has faster rasterization and more VRAM can be gotten for $900 right now. Save that $100 for salmon treats for our generous host -->
I feel like you're the only sensible tech commenter. I bought a 6900xt after prices normalized, and I'm extremely happy with the performance for the price I paid. Also, I never turn on FSR. Why bother when all the games I want to play run plenty fast enough native? I'm sure at some point I'll use it in certain titles. But I'm also sure that I won't be crying that it's not DLSS. Also, I literally don't care about Ray tracing. Just give me higher old school rasterization performance because I'm always targeting max fps anyway.
I want the most FPS for my budget, but the card being generally reliable is number 2! crashes due to driver problems, or cords melting is not something I want to worry about. Some people stick to nvidia because they perceive Nvidia as more reliable even if that isn't true.
I use a 7800 XT most of the time and it's fine, it just doesn't do ray tracing things very well, so I just turn that off. AMD drivers are pretty good these days. Thumbs up.
I really hope AMD does try again for the high end. I need 24 (+) gigs of VRAM and raytracing for my work, but I REALLY don't like only having one option. I'd pay the same price even, if there was an option...
Hey jason, thanks for replying. 1. Yes vastly, my bad. 2. I guess Im just super sensitive to picture quality then? I compared both with and DLSS looks much better than FSR for my taste to a degree where no VRAM or price decrease would rescue me from FSRs picture quality. The german PC hardware magazine did a test a while back letting the testers blind test the differences between all upscalers and the more experienced testers immediately called out FSR for smearing, shimmering and ghosting. But i understand your point, thats preference how big of a deal it is for the individual gamer.
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Mores Law said that AMD is delaying the launch of the RX 8000 series for next year because they have a large amount of unsold RX 7800 and RX 7900 series graphics cards.
He also says that the price of the 7800X3D went up because they reduced or stopped the production of the 7000 series processors. Because they switched production to 8000 series processors.
The 8800X3D is expected to be released soon.
Your timestamp titles are wrong.
By the way, the real reason why AMD skipped the High End this gen is because they need the CoWoS allocation at TSMC for MI300 family.
Not to mention that PS5 Pro is RDNA 4.
@@delfinigor First off, the new Ryzen are 9000 series.
Second off, MLID is an idiot.
Lastly, if AMD is to do chiplet GPUs at the moment, they will prioritize MI300.
I'm hoping the AMD RX 8000 Series GPU's will be released in about 4 - 6 Months, because i don't know how much long er I can hang on with my 'Inferior RX7600XT GPU' ??
I'm looking at X870/E boards though am not sure I will build again. Still on 12900KF 4090 48gb DDR5. I can build again but am not sure when, curious how the 9800X3D performs (still maining Nobara Linux) and if the new X870 boards are better. Kind of a wait and see if AM5 gets better reviews.
Having Saul Goodman deliver my PC/tech news and advice has changed my life. So glad he got out of that sordid business he was in before...
Lmaooo
@@xxcrysad3000xx Better Call Jason xd
I pray... PRAY he finds a cure for spastic RUclips Hands disorder.
While I'm picking nits:
It's pronounced es-*the*-tic not es-tet-tic and it's har-ben-jer not har-bring-er. Ok, I'm done. =)
Agree 👍
Whats funny is another Mr. White lookalike has another youtube tech channel diving in to uhh i guess home AI development hahaha
Edit: Breaking Bad cast stopped crime and just made youtube channels
5090 rumored with 32GB and 512 bit bus... 5080 rumored with 16GB and 256 bit bus.
They're absurdly arrogant now, they're genuinely only making the 5090 amazing (and ridiculously price) while making the rest of the product stack crippled.
yep
rumors changed for the 5080 now with 24gb
They have the market by the nuts bro, just like Intel vs AMD before 2017. Better shut up and be patient until some company saves us... I will personally keep my RTX 3060 for an extra 5/6 years at the very least.
Holding onto my 3090, we essentially need to boycott these overpriced gpus. Always talk about it but never happens.
@@carlosrieum1526 If it comes with 24gb, I'd prolly buy one depending upon price. Really wanted the 5090, cause I'm doing a new build with the Ultra 9 285k... but between rumored pricing upwards of $3000 and that 600w... hard pass. I honestly feel like I might be looking at an AMD card if things don't look better and I haven't touched AMD since 2008.
I bought a 7900xtx and a 7800x3d with a 144z 1440p monitor for 2000 USD off craiglist. I'm very happy 😊
Nice! Glad you got what you needed!
Nice 👍
You can even buy a 4k monitor later on because your PC is probably a bit bored for a while :D
that 144Hz in 1440p is a easy target for these prime CPU and GPU 💪
Get a 360 hz 1440p oled monitor with such a nice pc.
I understand where you're coming from, @orion9k
But I'd argue it depends on the type of games they play.
Personally I'd push those frames in esports titles easily. But when you play AAA titles on high/ultra many games stay under 144 fps.
Although getting something with actually usable HDR is a good point. But if you use the computer for more than gaming, before buying OLED I'd wait for the burn in to improve or a different tech to become affordable that fixes that issue entirely with great latency and HDR
@@JCerris
160Hz up to 240Hz 4k might also be worth considering.
Best video to explain why I went from an RTX 2070 to a RX 6800XT and not the RTX 3070. VRAM and raw performance.
good choice i bought a 3070 ti on release day for $850 and sold it within a year, it was the only GPU ive ever regreted purchasing in 30+ years of pc gaming
VRAM is over rated
@@RedWolfenstein Its really not, 8gb cards are literally unusable. Why do you think so many people got rid of 3070s/3080s so quickly? Even 12gb is becoming obsolete
Bad choices, that's why. DLDSR+DLSS visual difference is colossal. I would take several hits to raw performance to not be stuck with FSR and a basic supersampler like VSR.
@@Dempig I know that was the reason II got rid of my 3080, because I knew it would be a hard sell the longer I waited.
Im pretty happy with my 7900xtx. I mostly keep watching just to support your great channel 👍🏾
6600XT but i'm staying in 1080p resolution.
so i'm happy with a decent midrange GPU. although my GPU can rock a 1440p monitor but i got enough space for 2 24in monitor on my table.
and I'm fine having 24in monitors.
I am getting a 6700xt this week and will stay at 1080p and 72hz VR
Im not ready to jump to 1440p just yet 😩
I appreciate that!
@@Isyrawr i was using a 6700xt on 1440p 180hz with a crappy cpu, still played esport titles fine
@@joxxeyy wait really? what cpu were u running on
Personally went with the 7900xtx this gen because 1 - AMD seems to age better and it takes me forever to upgrade. The last few generations of AMD GPUs aged really well considering their higher Vram... 2 - When I saw the potential FIRE risk from the 4090 I really didn't care how awesome the card was, and it made me question some other build quality of the whole generation. So I went with AMD. It has been a really solid card so far, and I guess we will see how well it ages. AMD has a lot to catch up for in the AI space and I am my guess is the 7900xtx will age pretty well.
My prediction is that the 5080 and 5090 will have "reasonable" MSRPs but oopsies, we didn't produce enough of them so there's a supply shortage and the price is going up 20%
5090 MSRP to be $2799 and 5080 $2399 all MSRP have been set and sent to retailors all ready. And there will be no 8000 all lower end stuff.
@@JoeMama-yl1owIf they really price them like that, it would mean that the 5000 series will be the last gaming series Nvidia produces.
@@JoeMama-yl1owouch wtf???
My first computer lasted from 98 to 2002, 2nd from 2002 to 2010, 3rd from 2010 to 2017, 4th from 2017 to 2023 and currently on my 5th.
Nice! Sounds like some smart building
I am still on my second pc 2014-2024
4790k-1660 super
@@orion9knot bad, not bad.
My first pc from 2001 still runs with 32 bit Debian :) amd athlon 2600+ 2gb of ram
@@orion9knice
Jason. I was a person who always thought that NVIDIA was what people needed for gaming because I thought it was the best choice. My son bought a mid-range computer with AMD-based CPU and GPU. How wrong I was. He spent about EUR 2,000 on a computer without a monitor. And now the best part: To be able to achieve the same gaming results on INTEL and NVIDIA, I would have to spend 200 to 250 euros more
I 100% agree with your belief on recommending AMD over Invidia. Also, would i never be able to, morally, support a company who is insidious.
Funny thing is that "invidia" means "envy, jealousy, grudge, ill-will, hatred".....no thank you.
They're called Ngreedia for a reason.
You know they're called Nvidia and not Invidia right? There's no "i" in front
AMD guys always say that lol the confirmation bias in this space is crazy
no one in the right mind willever buy an amd gpu
I’m super happy running 1440p ultra on everything while getting over 100 fps on my 7800xt when I had to spend 100 or 200$ more to match everything on NVIDIA
What CPU? Considering getting 7800xt with ryzen 7 7700
@@mokuuu4259 7700 is good I have the 7600 just get a good air cooler for under 80$
I am so behind the times now.. I bought a 2017 Mustang GT with only 8,909 miles on her about a year ago and haven't played or bought any games since. truthfully I stopped gaming for a while prior. I have a 5900X 6800XT combo on a Decent AM4 B550 ASRock Board, in a Phanteks P500A case and have been good with high settings, 4K 60hz gaming to this day.. yeah some of the Newer games I have to go from Ultra to High settings. Or a mix of Medium to High settings.. Like Hogwarts was the last game I paid for and it played great in 4K on high settings, I can't go ultra maxed out 200 FPS but so what. It's All Just A Game... But Finally none of this stuff is cheap anymore.. Back in the Day a Top tear GPU was at the most $300 buck's and now people are paying anywhere from $500 to $2000 plus just for a GPU.. It's nutz.. Anyway I will always have a love for PC's and gaming but I'm done spending over the top money for video games.. No more..
It changes when you spend on car doesn't it :D
Thanks for tackling my question Jason! You're one of two channels I've ever turned on notifications for, top notch content as always!!
I appreciate that! Thanks for watching!
I’m very happy with my 7800X3D + 7900XT build, it can push over 200 fps with high settings and is currently seeking for 680$ brand new!! It’s a steal
This is great to hear! I have those 2 items waiting in a box for me to build soon.
@@johnkokott8570 good luck with the build man it really is amazing beast! What model did you get? My SFX one is an absolute chonk
I have the same build its honestly nice knowing i dont have to worry about vram any time soon lmao
@@LeMonke-kj8zj I got the Power Color Hellhound.
How it is performing on 4k temps n fps?
@johnkokott8570
I bought the XFX 6950 XT a year ago for $699 and It's amazing! I run all games in Native res on ultra preset and with Future Frame Gen when available. The monitor i use is 1440p 165hz and i've had no issues using a AMD card. AMD is the new gpu king.
I lost my PC building virginity yesterday so I wanted to say thank you for the guides Mr pc builder. Hopefully I lose my IRL one soon 😢
What are your specs?
@@MrAnimescrazy ryzen 5 7500f
Rx 6750xt
16gb ram for now
Well I'd say these two don't necessairly come in pair
@@monkaW94that’s a pretty nice machine, especially for 1080p gaming or even light 1440p
@@definitelynotkejek_313 if anything the opposite, but best of luck @monkaW94
glad you said something about testing. while i do like the videos its pretty silly to think anyone would notice a 15% uplift let alone a 5% one. people put way too much stock on the visuals graphs rather than real world use
Nvidia being stingy with vram is nothing new, their 970 technically had 4GB but effectively it was 3.5GB and a lot of consumers weren’t getting their performance advertised. For the games most people play, AMD is the obvious choice in terms of value and performance
Excellent! Even today the 6800XT crushes 3080 10gb in almost every game.
I have both.
I feel like NVIDIA is withholding the VRAM on their GPUs because they want people to upgrade their GPU more often they decided the 1080ti has done more to stop them selling more GPUs than anything else and they sure do t want to repeat that “mistake”
I built my first gaming rig over the last holiday season. Your videos were very helpful in determining what to build. Almost a year later, I have zero regrets. I went with a 7900xtx, 7800x3d, gskill 32gb ddr5 6000 cl30 ram,msi b650 edge mobo, lian li dynamic evo case, 7 nf-a12x25 fans, lt720 AIO, 2 and 4 tb gen 4 ssd, corsair rm1000x psu. My first game was Skyrim nolvus v5. I can't wait to play v6 this holiday season!
Awesome! Congrats on your build and so glad we could help!
Daniel Owen did a survey on his channel and he found that 88% do not care about upscaling whatsoever. 92% do not care about raytracing either. So it is nice to see that this channel is also confirmed that as well with it's own survey. Nobody cares about DLSS/FSR/XeSS. Now let's address the FSR vs DLSS question. FSR and DLSS are virtually indistinguishable at a 4k base resolution. DLSS is the one that looks better at any resolution below that....1440p and 1080p for example but you will have to pixel peep as he said in this video to really find those differences.
There you go!
@@PCBuilderChannel BTW I got the RX 6750XT from your recommendation. Finally retiring my GTX 1080.
Do keep in mind that most tech channel communities are full of self sampling and selection bias. People watching these channels are no way indicative of the average consumer.
ray tracing one I 100% believe, but upscaling kinda important no?
90% of the people who follow PC tech sites don't care about DLSS/Ray Tracing, then 80% of buyers purchase Nvidia... because it has "superior DLSS and ray tracing." It's good to be "the king."
The best deals of the year is during the week just after Christmas when January hits all the companies do inventory. After Christmas, they have one week to clear their 2024 inventory and that week is always the best prices. The year and numbers and inventory for the past year means a lot to a company.
Stuff does sell out by then especially in the tech market, but I agree that's a a good time for sales!
Im just about to build 7800X3D, 4070 ti super, 360mm aio, 2tb crucial p5, ddr5 6000mh cl30, msi b650S wifi ax and msi 850w gold 80+, with a dual chamber case with 7 fans for £1750 not bad!
Fluid motion frames has been a game changer for me, going from like 75-90 fps with ultra graphics to about 150 fps just makes you not wanna upgrade your gpu.
If I get my hands on the Rx 8800 xt at 16 vram , I'm good for several years
I love this channel, i always come here to learn stuff about building my pc and I always get my questions answered
So glad you are enjoying!!
I really hope AMD does something interesting on the mid-low range, cuz by the lastest rumors of the RTX 50 series, it looks that the 5080 would have half the specs of the 5090 wich would mean that the rest of the lineup would be cutdown GPUs like on the 40 series(wouldnt be suprised to see a 5060 with 8GB or 5070 with 12GB), being AMD there could "force" Nvidia to at least release 5060S,5070S,5080S with better prices.
Got a RX 7800 XT a few months ago and am really happy with it. Thanks Jason!
Nice!! Good to hear
At the end of the video I was like "Hey, that's me" xD
Thanks for the comment! (;
Small note for budget builders: on the used market, you can get a 3070 for $250 all day now, while I've had a hard time finding a 6800 NON xt for under $300
Pc should last 2 Graphics card generations.
Mine is still here since 2014(ddr3) going to turn that pc to ddr4 and if i want to upgrade ill get the pc case i actually want for ddr5
Side note: 5800x3d breaks this rule
I7 4790k never forget
@@terrafair3248 I am also on 2014 (ddr3+4790k) pc
Why go ddr4 when going ddr5 is almost same price and has better future proof upgrade opportunities ?
I am upgrading soon into:
AM5 Gigabyte UD itx MOBO
7500f CPU
32GB 30CL 6000hz RAM
Just enough to play on 360 hz / 500 hz monitors in 1080p CS2
@@terrafair3248hell you might as well go for DDR5 at this point, something like Ryzen 7600 and 6000mhz 32GB DDR5 would be an amazing upgrade 😊
@@Generationalwealth94 That's what I did. I had a rx6600xt paired with my Frankenstein mom's office PC that I put 16 gigs of DDR3 and an i5 4590 in. Now ryzen 7700x and 32 gigs DDR5. Difference is very noticeable, especially in games.
I couldn't wait for holiday sales and ordered my parts last week, finally built my first gaming PC since 2006 yesterday. Went with 7900gre over 4070 super. Time will tell if that was the right decision, but for now it works great. Your videos helped me a lot, both in choosing the parts and putting it all together, followed your building guide and got it right first try! Thank you Jason!
How exciting! Best wishes on the build and let us know how it goes!
Thank you! Everything is working great, jumping from a 15" laptop screen to 27" gaming monitor is amazing! I'm still researching all the overclocking options to squeeze the most out of my Ryzen 7700 and 7900gre, but for now even the stock settings are plenty fast and smooth.
Of course, you will not see the difference between fsr and dlss at 4k since the base resolution is high enough for fsr to work well. But using fsr at 1440p, you will noticing the difference. Especially at 1080p.
And my feeling on that is it makes more sense to focus on moving up in resolution at 1080p and 1440p at that point
Well a 7800xt is same price as a 4060ti right now in UK, feels like non issue
I'm so glad I bought my Radeon RX 6800 when I did :) I'm quite happy with it.
Ryzen 3600, RX 5700 going strong back mid 2020 1k
Cheers Jason. Your channel is one of the best. The Q&A and Boost my build are amazing.
Thank you for the feedback! It means a lot
5700x3D and a 7900GRE. I’m very happy
Great combo!
In the past AMD GPU's did not even cross my mind, but then Mr. Jason recommended one for my build I was asking about and he was kind enough to look it over and sent me a list. I though this man knows what he is talking about and if he said it was the one to get then I believe him. I'm very happy I did, I'm now team AMD and today I'm using a RX 7900 XT and love it, I upgraded from the 6650 xt he had originally recommended to me. AMD GPU's are the best in my opinion, once you factor in the price, the V-ram and the quality of the GPU. (Ray-Tracing is still a gimmick) I'm lucky enough to be enjoying one, and it is because I listened to what Mr. Jason had to say. I will be using my RX 7900 XT for many years before I start looking for a new GPU.
Congrats on your build and so glad we could help!
I'm looking for a good GPU to run the new Monster Hunter Wilds in 1440p, I'm not afraid of buying used. I need this upgrade before the end of fedruary 2025. I would like to do this a cheap as possible my current sights are set on a RX 6800 used. Should I wait for prime day or after the holiday season when people are selling their old GPUs or should I hold out for RX 8000 serise to release and get a good deal on a 7000 serise. (Nvidia is an option for me but budget is king here)
I'd keep an eye on things over Prime Day and Black Friday.
I'm actually in this exact same boat. I want to play Wilds at 1440p, and I'm looking to get most or all of the parts either around the holidays, or based on sales due to other product launches.
I have a new* RX6800 I just used in an AM4 build, I'm also looking forward to play MH wilds. Those requirements are crazy, even in the " Recommended " you'll get 60 FPS AFTER you enable FSR / DLSS ( and not even in high settings if I'm understanding it correctly ).... Hear a lot of people comparing those specs to Dragons Dogma 2.
just wait for black friday and grab a super discounted 7800x3d + 7900 xtx
Just try a 7800XT for €499,-. Great gaming
I can't wait for the 3rd party benchmarks for the 5080, 5090, next x3d amd cpu's.
I agree with your NVIDIA and AMD assessment. I had always used NVIDIA GPU's. At the time of purchase last year. There was no better bang for the buck card than a 6800 XT at the $500 price point. I made the leap.
If money was no object, yes I would get a 4090.
Thanks for sharing! And absolutely, no budget might as well get that 4090!
Hello jason how are you doing!
Hello! Doing good! Hope you are having a great weekend
@@PCBuilderChannel i am doing very good thank you for asking!
I think it's preferable to present frametimes in dB like so: 10*log10(frametime/5ms)
Because the 'feel' for everything we else we sense scales logarithmically like that. This shows up particularly that gains at lower frame rates matter much more than the same fps increase when already at high fps.
Which actually helps supports arguments like 'doesn't feel different', which it won't if it's just a couple dB.
As someone who uses cards from both companies. Rx 6800 and rtx 4070 Super. I agree with hardware unboxed, daniel owen and digital foundry that dlss is far better than fsr. You dont have to zoom in to see the difference. Thats done in videos because of youtube compression and frame rates. You can clearly see the disocclusion artifacts, ghosting and shimmering that fsr has. Its the same issues that taa has, but amplified. DLSS quality at 1440p and 4k looks better than native with taa in modern games. Or atleast what we call native. As we never actually see the native base render. It always go through temporal image reconstruction, post processing, denoising, overlays ect before it ever gets to our screens. And that base render isnt the only thing that goes into the dlss image reconstruction. It also uses geometric depth, motion vectors, ect. It basically comes down to if a few filters selected by hand can compete with hardware accelerated AI reconstruction trained with machine learning.
Also far more games that force RT or have upscaling in the recommended speca then there are games that need 12gb of vram at 1440p. Sure a few games you can force over 12gb with ultra settings, rt and at native resolution. But even path traced Cyberpunk at 1440p max settings dlss quality with ray reconstruction uses under 10gb of vram. Using the rx 6800 made me reailze how overstated the vram hysteria is. If i forced it to use over 12gb the game would be so demanding that i only got like 20fps anyway. Using realistic settings to get atleast 60fps i never got close to using (not allocating) 12gb.
Thanks for sharing
I think you and many other have watched these videos and are convinced you'd see the difference, but I think in practice you wouldn't. Maybe I'm wrong and you can, and there are certainly differences, but I think in use the nobody is going to really notice the difference between dlss and fsr without looking with a magnifying glass or having 2 gpus testing side by side all the time. I also think the vram is more a case of wanting more for the money they're charging, which I agree with, I don't think you should pay $400-500 for a GPU with less than 16gb.
Not the case anymore with FSR 3.1. Just look at the new god of war for example
When you are upscaling from 1440p to 4K, the differences between FSR and DLSS are probably their least noticeable. I think what everybody is up in arms about is how FSR doesn't really upscale the lower end stuff as well. And really that's their target market. So a more complete answer would be something like "Rendering native on the low end is a better deal with AMD and rendering with upscaling on the high end the difference is minimal."
My Gpu last long as my money allows me to buy it
So true. I can't imagine it's going to get any cheaper heading into the next generations of cards.
I liked your response to the fsr/dlss/value question! You had enough respect for the asker to really go in detail and give a thorough answer. FWIW my anecdotal experience matches up with your answer too. I have a 1440 ultrawide and i prefer to run at native rendering. My 7900xtx delivers better than 4080 fps in the games i play, and i spent $200 less on it than i would have needed to spend on a 4080, even though i bought on release in December of 22 and got a premium version. I'm baffled that amd is still such a small segment of the market given the value.
FYI - Chapters do not match content sections
RUclips does a bug around that sometimes. I think its fixed now. Thank you for the headsup!
You look much healthier (than I remember, for what it's worth) Well done on the growth of your channel!
Hey thank you!
Do you trust Amazon used gpus(condition: very good) ?
As much as I trust any used GPUs. Amazon is generally good for customer service. As always check the seller history
@@PCBuilderChannel Yes. Always always always, just like E-Bay, check the seller history.
I never buy electronics from Amazon, ever
I have bought gpus, motherboards and monitors. Even in acceptable condition could be brand new but damaged box. I'd give a try
@@unrealfeedzz Yep, just bought my new mobo through them. All the way from Germany to Australia in 5 days from order.
I'm so glad you made this video about the amd over nvidia recommendations, I bought my first amd card a couple of years back , wanted the 12g 3080 but it sold out in my cart so I went with the 6950xt which was actually 60$ cheaper turns out was the best decision I've made , more performance for the same or less money is a no brainer. I look at it this way unless nvidia drops prices , I like nvidia, but unless I buy a 4090, I'm likely to choose the nvidia alternatives. In my opinion, dlss over fsr is not worth almost 60 to 100$ different.
I agree, unless you are buying Nvidia top end, AMD all the way unless Nvidia starts pricing better
AMD offers good GPUs but people are scared to buy them. I know this because I was one of "those people" before replacing my RTX 3070 for a 7900 XT. After 18 months, I could not be happier with the 7900 XT. No more VRAM problem, very stable with the current gen of drivers and the Adrenaline software is just great (got rid of Afterburner which is a good thing).
I dropped in a 5800x3d in my PC. I do game, and I noticed the frame rate and GPU usage go up. That was neat to upgrade.
Yes! Great upgrade
Generally agree with everything you said. A few arguments don’t follow. You argued a 7900GRE is better than a 4070 super because ray tracing requires more vram. That may be true, but the 4070 super has much better ray tracing performance.
and software support
Sorry some of that discussion was edited for time. What I was saying is that some will argue that 4070 S > 7900 GRE because Ray Tracing performance tips it over the edge. But Ray tracing requires more VRAM, often now exceed 12GB at 1440p Ultra.
@@PCBuilderChannel So you fucking don't run 1440p native and run DLSS to get ray tracing and get a proper looking image? There's no game in which you won't be fine with a 4070 S on a 1440p monitor. For now at least. Just get the 4070 Ti Super if you must though.
did you even watch the video or are you resistant to knowledge?
Good to see a channel making sense instead of constantly shilling for Nvidia.
idk about high end pc but between 3060 12gb and 6700 xt, i'll still go over 6700 xt. Especially with Sapphire Nitro+, it rules.
6700XT is such a clutch card
anyday
I bought my 7700XT a few months back open box at $350 and its been amazing with my 5800X (I'll upgrade when AM6 comes out cuz it's still running amazing). I love keeping up to date with the pc market and got the itch to update my setup and ended up buying a OLED ultrawide. I'm excited to see how the pc market changes over the next few months but will be watching from the sidelines.
My 7800xt 16gb runs cyberpunk on full high settings and max ray tracing settings using fsr and runs at 100 fps on 4k
Sure bro … not Even my overclocked gre Gets 100fps at 4K and surely not in raytracing
My 4070TIS runs Cp2077 on ultra/ Path RT/ 3440x1440/ DLSS Q/FG looks as native and gets 80-90fps
@@MrSeb-S cyberpunk Runs better on the amd cards (without raytracing of Course) the guy above is Talking crap tho 4K 100fps Never on the 7800xt
nah this gotta be cap bro
@KarisMatic-dg3uz have you even tried it or u just talking out of your neck
Price to performance of high end cards is definitely in AMD''s favor. 4090 is faster but spending 100% more money for 25% more performance doesn't make sense!
AMD Price to Performance beats Nvidia every time.
Nvidia may have better upscaling, but not by much.
I for one would much rather have a better GPU overall at a cheaper price, than a worse performing GPU with slightly better upscaling at a higher price.
Amd is king of.one screen. Nvidia is king of triple monitor and vr
@@scratchacker IDK I have three monitors on Radeon 6800XT and it works just fine... not sure about VR.
I also have a triple monitor setup on AMD 7900 GRE.
@@scratchacker Ask unboxhardware, when NV can't run 3 monitors, while on AMD no problem
say what you want but amd is far behind nvidia, the only thing their gpu could compete with is gaming, amd lose to nvidia in almost all productivity apps
Yo Jason any ideas for a Monitor recommendation video soon ???
Keep the great vids going king, kudos on the job you’re doing.
We just dropped our new 4K monitor guide if you want to check that out! Our current 1440p Gaming Monitor video is still accurate and I go over the links there daily
@@PCBuilderChannel You must’ve read my mind and had in the works already. Can’t wait to watch it. Thanks bro and keep up the good work. 1st pc build coming up and have been using you as my blueprint.
In certain situations, FSR 3.0 is not vastly inferior to DLSS. In terms of games like Warzone, FSR vastly outperforms DLSS, to the point where using DLSS is so bad that it causes stutters and tanks fps, where FSR 3.0 is much better. In fact, the only two frame gen options that do work well for that game are FSR 3.0 and Fidelity FX CAS. For context, I’m using an Nvidia 3060 12gb, and still using FSR 3.0 because it is so much better for fps over DLSS.
Yes!
Anyone that plays warzone or fps games has dlss/from turned off.
@@katid571 umm no….. look up literally any optimized settings video on the game. Every single one is using and recommending either FSR 3.0 of Fidelity FX CAS. Even people running high end graphics cards like the 7900 models, 4070/80/90 are using frame gen.
This does not happen for me on the 4070 TI.
@@O5IR15not me no point in running frame gen when I hover between 144-165 hz on my monitor maxed out at 1440p
Out hunting and watching PC Builder… just can’t miss an episode 😂
Hope it was a fun weekend!
FSR is vastly inferior to DLSS, that is not a matter of opinion, but pure fact, and whether or not YOU can spot the difference is irrelevant.
Also testing at 4k and saying you have to "zoom in", like no way... you need to sit right next to a 4k monitor to really appreciate 4k. Very few people use 4k. Over half of steam uses 1080p. This is some user benchmark level excuses we have here.
I'm glad I bought the 7800x3d when it was 360 euro in my country. Now it's at 420-450. The only thing worrying me is the prices of the gpus that have increased aswell, the 4070 ti super gaming oc from gigabyte was 820 and now it's 900. I might wait for the 50 series and hope the prices drop even by a bit.
Why does Jason always recommend AMD? It’s all about price-to-performance. Just check out the chart, simple as that.
I remember I used to think this, then I watched some older Boost My Builds and he used to recommend nVidia just as often when they made sense. But as he has been trying to explain nVidia has turned it's back on retail gamers and are counting on uninformed customers buying their products based off their brand name. And it's working...
Every now and then the 4070 super ti especially makes sense, but lately this has been very true
I totally get it if gaming is your concern. But being able to host a local LLM is pretty incredible for a lot of people. That was a tipping point for me, but I work in an industry where that is helpful.
As long as NVIDIA are greedy douches, always choose AMD or Intel over NVIDIA imo.
This is the way to go.
Illegal Chinese are buying 4090’s here and shipping them back to China to curtail the embargo as long as they are not in the retail boxes. That’s why invidia prices won’t go down except for the other mediocre series that they offer. Hate to mention politics but that’s the real lowdown and not just nitpicking races. Indians also do it too because gpu prices are extremely expensive per region there too. The market prices will remain high because someone that we don’t know are buying those high end gpu’s because scalpers in Asia are offloading them. The black markets which once gets to Asia can also be resold as far as to Russia for more money as tech is embargoed. Food for thought gentleman, have a blessed day and take care.
As if AMD didn't raise their GPU prices these past generations just like Nvidia? They just undercut slightly while having way worse cards. Try the image quality comparison on a 1080p monitor (which more than 50% of steam uses) with DLDSR+DLSS vs AMD equivalent FSR+VSR.
Nice to see a youtuber tech channel that reads and reacts to the comments. Saying that a schooling session was given on the topic of amd vs nvidia and raw frame/vram advantages, but facts are facts even your polls show this.
Thank you! I try really hard to respond to as many comments as I can so I appreciate that
Yes. AMD gpus are just inferior unfortunately. I wanted to get a XTX but it's actually better to just get a 4080 super if you do ANY kind of productivity. The 4080 runs way cooler which means it's gonna be quieter. The 1% lows are way better on a 4080 so the user experience is gonna be better with fewer hiccups.
Because yours, and others youtubers advices, I got together my first gaming pc, 7800x3d and 7900gre. Just waiting for the cpu to arrive.
Nice combo! Best wishes on the build. Let us know how it goes!
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Hope you enjoy!
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I usually pick up PC Parts in January-February.
There's A LOT of Christmas shopping being done in Romania, and in January, there's A LOT of returns. Some open box deals are considerably cheaper than any promotion or deal you might find throughout the year. And open-box just means someone bought it, used it for a couple days tops, and then returned it. You still get the same warranty and the same return policy.
Most of my parts have been bought like this and I saved up a ton of money.
I'm talking 25-33% price cuts. When was the last time nVidia, AMD or Intel offered a 25% price cut at once (not in the span of years) on something?
NVIDIA is getting to big, and gamers whine about the prices they pay for their hardware ..... go to the competition in droves.
NVIDIOTS that say Radeon software sucks are stupid, they are just idiotic fanboys that never tried Radeon.
Nvidia's mind share is strong for sure
Bought a RX 7900XTX to try the red side and my experience was terrible. High temps, high power usage and driver problems. Returned it and bought a RTX4080. All my problems were gone. Unfortunetly, Nvidia has better products overall.
@@FellipeAlmada325you know with the software it’s stupid easy to underclock the card and would of solved the temps and high power usage issue in seconds. Now even nvidia be having driver issues i have both as well so you just didn’t want to look into to it too much.
@@Mrhandyhitman So does Nvidia can undervolt, AMD undervolt perfomance impact hit is very high, unlike Nvidia that undervolt impacting less.
And who the hell undervolt using Graphic card's driver? MSI Afterburner curve optimizer is way better in every single ways.
AMD had issue on older 2000s game and still is.
@@Mrhandyhitman The fact is it usually AMD iGPU driver causing issue on most gaming laptop, They break nvidia driver stuff, They were causing system instability.
AMD is few years away from Nvidia, Who said Nvidia has no issue, It just Nvidia issue isn't that common and usually isn't that big.
Your videos are great and very insightful, however, us in Europe have to take power consumption into consideration, which in turn makes picking an AMD card a difficult choice over NVIDIA. It's very aggravating.
Did you get a new camera? This video looks a lot cleaner, higher quality. Really good filming on this one, maybe it's been there a while but it really struck me watching this video.
Thank you! We switched cameras and to 4k over the Summer!
Great video and you spoke so much truth!
My RX6950XT is still going strong. I am shooting for a year into the next generation AMD RX cards before I consider an upgrade. Until then i am going to enjoy flawless 2k gaming at high fps.
I have a 6800XT and to be honest with you. I Love it, and i have no regrets! I bought it in (late) Dec. 2022 and paid $550 for it. This thing will go for two more years (or longer) with no problem. I did my research on computer gaming including with Jason here. I paired it with a 5800X3D cpu on ROG Strix B550 pro WIFI MB. I went all in on AM4 and my system works as well or better than i wanted or expected. I tip my cap to PC Builder for they're advice and guidience, thank you Sir and Ma'am!!
Thanks so much for sharing and so glad we could help!
Until this past year, I hadn’t built a pc since 2002, when I was in college. And I had never purpose built a gaming pc. I don’t exactly have any expendable income, but I purchased a RTX 4070 and a RX 7800 XT, in order to gauge what type of GPU I wanted for 1440p gaming. The 7800 XT definitely had much better native resolution frames versus the 4070. However, I ultimately chose the 4070 simply due to my inexperience with configuring driver app settings for specific games. With AMD Adrenalin there was so much more trial and error (even with RUclips tutorials), over the Nvidia app which tuned my in-game settings to my personal specs and/or giving its best recommendations with minimal effort. Afterwards I traded the 7800 XT for a 7900 GRE and put it in my college-aged daughter’s build (who has much more knowledge and experience with fine tuning gaming settings), I placed the 4070 in my teen sons’s build, and I went with a 4070 Super. In the future, as mine and my son’s gaming pc experience increases, we will probably err towards better price-to-performance GPUs from AMD. I’m totally open to criticism or any additional insights from anyone. Thanks! 🤙
Nice! Thanks for sharing
I am happy I got the 7800x3d when I did ~6, or 7 months ago. Hopefully it can last me =P I usually did the: make 1 build then completely rebuild in the past, but I got into AM5 for upgradability this time. So I am hoping it can last me until AMD decides to finally ship an x3d with 16 cores that ALL have 3d vcache. With my 7800x3d running at 60watts peak, I can only imagine a 16 core 3d vcache CPU would be running a measly 120ish watts at most. Unless the two separate dies introduces an inefficiency that I am unaware of.
FSR 3 + FG runs amazing in Doom 2 RTX
Hello! Thank you for your videos. I'm currently running something about 1.5 yr old build (ryzen 5 5600 + RX 6800xt + 16gb ram). I mostly play CS2 and occasionally some single player AAA titles. The most important for me is to achieve stable 360Hz performance in CS2 - would you prefer building up a new PC and selling the old one (I'm thinking something along the lines of 7800x3d + RX 7900 XT/4080 for the higher end games + leave some room for streaming) or would you keep the old card and just swap the CPU and MB for a new one? :)
For CS2 I'd go ahead and drop in a 5700X3D which will allow you to upgrade the GPU as high as you want in the future. See our "how to upgrade your pc 2024" video for more
Have you ever considered doing builds for DIY low power NAS/Home servers/Gaming servers? I've recently been researching more into data hoarding since more and more companies seem to be of the mindset that they can take away your purchases whenever they want or whenever a contract ends/falls through. I've looked into prebuilt stuff like synology but it all seems pretty expensive for generations old tech. Enough just for mass storage but not for much else. Newer cpus like the 35w Ryzen PRO 8700GE are not available for the everyday consumer so I'm at a loss on what I should be looking for.
First off, I love your content, Jason! What cooler do you recommend for a 7800x3d? Is an H100x from Corsair good enough?
Yes though if in the US there are better price to performance options.
Hop over to our 7800X3D build guide! We've got all our recommendations there
The sales on GPUs are typically sparse, usually you only see the 4070 TI going for a 5% discount and nothing else.
do nvidia gpu's ever drop in price?... i got my 7900xtx for 800
Depends on the GPU but Nvidia especially doesn't like to drop
If you have some of the budget left after assembling your parts list, should you invest in more powerful components now (e.g. moving up a CPU or GPU tier) to maximize the time you can use your new PC before needing to upgrade, or save the leftover budget and put it towards future upgrades or the next PC?
I'd max out your GPU/CPU choice personally. See our Best GPU/CPU Combo 2024 video for more
Awesome video! Could you do one on how to add modded creatures over the default infected
Got a Hyte y40 prebuilt from iBuyPower at my local Walmart that was on clearance(due to being a display model)for 700 dollars and it had a Ryzen 7 7700 and a 4070, I was so stoked I got my sister a really really good first PC!
dang thats good af deal
Good video as usual, Jason.
Thank you!
I reluctantly got an RX 6700XT back during the crypto-bubble nightmare instead of the perpetually sold out RTX 3070 that I wanted because it had "Nvidia" on it. I've been very impressed with the AMD card and I feel like I dodged a bullet with the 3070's VRAM issues. The Nvidia mind share virus has cleared from my brain and I'm comfortable going with either AMD or Nvidia depending on what makes the most sense for a given price point in the future.
Yes! Glad you got what you needed
I totally agree AMD has also given us way more GB for the price... Considering how big games continue to get that's very important to consider.
There’s a difference between “non-budget” and “money is no object” builds. Regardless of how much better DLSS is over FSR (and frankly I don’t think it’s that much better, it’s just fanboy logic to argue otherwise), it still makes sense to pick AMD simply for cost to performance.
Look, a 4080 Super is $1k, but a 7900XTX which has faster rasterization and more VRAM can be gotten for $900 right now. Save that $100 for salmon treats for our generous host -->
Well said Dark!
I feel like you're the only sensible tech commenter. I bought a 6900xt after prices normalized, and I'm extremely happy with the performance for the price I paid. Also, I never turn on FSR. Why bother when all the games I want to play run plenty fast enough native?
I'm sure at some point I'll use it in certain titles. But I'm also sure that I won't be crying that it's not DLSS. Also, I literally don't care about Ray tracing. Just give me higher old school rasterization performance because I'm always targeting max fps anyway.
Nice grab!!
AMD staying in the mid-range works for me. I can't afford a $1600-$2100 graphics card. I'm happy with my $280 RX 6750xt
I want the most FPS for my budget, but the card being generally reliable is number 2! crashes due to driver problems, or cords melting is not something I want to worry about. Some people stick to nvidia because they perceive Nvidia as more reliable even if that isn't true.
I use a 7800 XT most of the time and it's fine, it just doesn't do ray tracing things very well, so I just turn that off. AMD drivers are pretty good these days. Thumbs up.
Nice card! Thanks for sharing
I really hope AMD does try again for the high end. I need 24 (+) gigs of VRAM and raytracing for my work, but I REALLY don't like only having one option. I'd pay the same price even, if there was an option...
Hey jason, thanks for replying.
1. Yes vastly, my bad.
2. I guess Im just super sensitive to picture quality then? I compared both with and DLSS looks much better than FSR for my taste to a degree where no VRAM or price decrease would rescue me from FSRs picture quality. The german PC hardware magazine did a test a while back letting the testers blind test the differences between all upscalers and the more experienced testers immediately called out FSR for smearing, shimmering and ghosting. But i understand your point, thats preference how big of a deal it is for the individual gamer.
Hi Sven. Again thank you for the question. Of course as we always say it is your money and we offer recommendations, but you are the one who has to spend the money and live with the product so please always get what is best for you!