This is the one thing I've learned. I was bad player who became a really good player. The difference was just getting better at golf. What degree wedge you use isn't going to make a damn difference. Play what's comfortable to you and this will be your best option. I play a 58, 54, 50. I did play a 60,56,52 and there isn't a damn difference. If you are good, you are going to make it work. If you struggle playing, you are going to struggle with any wedge in your game. Work on your game and screw the equipment. Now if you are a pro, these small changes can make a difference because the top players in the world are all so good and every little does help. For the average guy, just play what you have an work on your game. The better your game gets, then make a club/iron change. I watch these videos and they make it seem like clubs make the difference and they really don't. They did mention something very important. The strength of clubs is getting stronger and stronger. If you play a PW that's 41 degrees then get another PW that's 45. Carry two PW. I would also carry an extra wedge in your bag and not worry about what the rules say. I see to many guys worry about the rules on how many clubs they have but then use a foot wedge every time they get a chance. LMAO. I wish I was making this up.
NONESENSE...What loft a wedge has is the last thing to consider...guage the chip distance to the first foot of the green and then the distance to the hole. Chip and run. PW 1:1. 8i 1:3. And so fort down to 6i.
I have a PW, GW, SW and lob wedge all 4 are different brands. Ended up this way by trial and error and having different requirements for each wedge. (46,51,56 & 60)
I'm a very average golfer - (15 handicap) but chipping/pitching is my strongest part of my game by far and saves me lots of shots and minimises putts. I can't recommend enough dropping from 60 to 58 as the difference in accuracy is off the charts and once you get confident with it you can open it so it plays as a 60 when required. As you said practice is key for wedges, if everyone spent as much time on practicing wedges as they did bombing drives at the range I guarantee they would drop their handicap by 3-4.
If you and I were somehow made into one person, we would be on tour. My long game and putting are quite good, but my short irons are awful. I would much rather be 150 out than 30 out. I've adjusted my game accordingly. That's why I hate playing scrambles. I hope your next round is a good one, friend.
And would realize they could get along with 2 maybe 3 wedges instead of 4. I don’t even bother with the 50 anymore. 46-54-60…46 with 9 bounce is like a Q-tip. Variety of uses. The 60 is reserved for the bunker and the one time I need to pop that ball up and back down from short range. Very rare to take a full swing 60 unless I’m on a range mat. 54 with a 12 bounce does everything else. Keep in mind I’m into minimalism which means a 10 club bag. Less bad decisions can be made.
I'm a 13.4 index SR golfer and I'm very much a full swing guy. The 46, 50, 54, and 58 wedges are all in the bag and have about a 10yd difference with full swings. The 58 goes 70-75yds and is easily the yardage I shoot for the most when laying up, it's the most accurate and consistent for me.
I do use the lob wedge (mine is 58) for full shots of about 70-80 yds. I feel more comfortable with that full shot (making a smooth comfortable full swing) than trying to hit a 3/4 SW. I use the SW (54) for most shots from green side to 60 yds. Also tend to open up the SW around the green rather than use the LW mostly. GW for the up hill or longer running chips.
I have a 64 deg.wedge in my bag for those deep bunkers at the edge of the green. Rarely used, I had a 20 yd. shot from a deep bunker to a close pin on a negative slope. The 64 deg. wedge hit full lofted the ball high into the air and spun back to within a club length of the pin. I adjust the club set for the different courses I play from hilly and short to flat and long. I'm 83 yrs. and not very strong, so technique is most important. I can't wait for golf season.
The new PW in my bag is only 42.5°. GW is 48°. I play a 54°/58° and am happy with the gapping. 58° LW for me is not hard to commit. Can hit 1/2, 3/4, full or open. I use the 58° mostly to fly green side bunkers and tight flags. I do practice these shots quite often, that's the key.
For years only had a PW and a SW and did well with that for the most part. Recently did put a GW and a LW in my bag. Still trying to figure out the yardage on the GW but getting closer. And yes, with a LW you have to be committed. Learning just how hard and fast I need to swing with it to get it to do what I want. Takes some practice and that is something a lot of golfers don't do enough.
All you need to be the best 130yards and in is a sandwedge pitching wedge and gap… 54-55/50-51/44-45 DO NOT get a 60 wedge. And sandwedge can do what it can and a lot more.
I've been fitted by Mizuno.....for a 52/7, 56/13 and 60/8. But I realized that a 50,54 and 58 would be much better for me, I am playing a lot in Spain , and my coach there agree , so a fitting is not always the best option....
I carry a 60 degree Callaway sureout LW. It's got a big sole on it. It's quite a specialist club to carry but it's so good at digging you out of difficult situations around the green
I was recently given a 61 degree trusty rusty from the father in law and for me it changed my game. Granted it’s just for maybe 40 yards in I use it, 60 on rare occasions but for the delicate 10-20-30 yard drop and stop it breeds confidence for me, I been using more of the upright and toe down method with It and it’s simplified a lot of work around the greens, horses for courses I guess, ( or just hit more greens in reg 🤔 ) but I love the club. I think any club works if it makes you feel confident over it. How long it lasts who knows, it’s golf after all 😂 13 handicap
Hard club to hit and if you are confident that’s brilliant. It’s also lovely to watch a high lob onto the green when executed properly. Hardest shot in the game imo.
went to a 50 (8 degree bounce - for hard surface shots), 54 (10 degree bounce) and 58 (10 degree bounce), found this gapping to work well for my game, got rid of the 60 all together
Agree, dropped my 60 & 58 for a 56. They were costing me more shots than they gained me. I'm quite capable of cutting up the 56, so this is as much loft as I require in my bag. Also allows me to carry a 25 hybrid, which I use to give me a higher flighted shot than a 6 iron and same distance. Also use it for chip & run shots.
smart guy..i will let you know when i see more than 5-7% of golfers who can use a LW!...ps...i learned that i was more accurate hitting a 5i off the tee (2 holes in one) than hitting a hybrid off the tee so I use the hybrid from the fairway only unless the flag is right at the front of the green with water or a bunker right in front...having no LW in the bag allows me to carry both the 5i and the hybrid!
After many years of experimenting, I've been using a set up of 46 degree PW, 50 degrees, 54 degrees and 58 degrees. Of the four, I use the 50 the most for 80-90 yard full shots and around the green when I want to run the ball up to the hole. I'd rather change the club than my swing. I only open the face for bunker shorts or out of tall grass.
High handicapper who bought a 52 and a 60, mainly because I got a really good deal on them. The 60 has become my favourite club to play. Definitely still needs a lot of work, but has helped me drop my score significantly around the green.
I think you'd develop better skills and get up and down more often using the less lofted club. If you have nothing to go over, there's no need to get the ball so far in the air.
@@sandersson2813 but I use it for going over stuff, or when I’m about 60 meters out. Works perfect. Don’t use it super tight around the green, will usually just bump and run an 8 iron or something in that circumstance. I’ve found though, as I’m not a massive hitter, I often find myself about 60 meters out from the green, and the 60 is perfect for that. It’s easily one of my most consistent clubs. One of the clubs I practice with the most too. Bad back and never going to drive far, so really working on short game, and it’s definitely lowered my score over the last month or two, from 120’s to low 100’s / high 90’s.
@@JohnUssher-jk2qo Still think it's too much loft for just 60 metres. You are adding extra distance and introducing error by using so much loft because it has to go higher and come down. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line you are increasing that massively by using so much loft. You'd probably get better results playing the same shit with a 50 or 52. Not trying to tell you what to do, just making a suggestion as a + handicap golfer
My iron set came with a 44° pitching wedge, from there I went 49° to 54° then a 60° wedge. I have a 56° wedge that I swap in place of the 54° and 60° wedges on occasion, but I always miss having the 60° for bunker and flop shots.
i have a 50 and a 56 and i find the 56 covers pretty much all the short game i need. its great for chipping and bunkers. the 50 is the perfect gap wedge for me
I have a yardage gap but I have learned to deal with it without buying any equipment. My full sand wedge is 105, my full pitching wedge is 135. That's a big gap, but it's really not a problem. I don't play like a machine, I play by intuition. Maybe that's why I'm very streaky. I could go out tomorrow and shoot 2-under or shoot 12-over. When I really want to play my best I drink 6 beers before I even tee-off, then maintain it with a beer every couple holes. If you don't drink, you don't drink- but you should try it!
My PW is 44. Then i have vokeys 48, 54 and 60. 48 Is my main weapon until im getting within 10-20 metres of the green. Then depending the situation Im using anything from PW-54. 60 only when i really need it
Found this channel looking for what were considered to be the best wedges this season and clicked on your video and did not disappoint. Awesome video well informative no matter ones handicap there is something for every level in this video. Definitely sub and a like!
ive got a 47 pitching wedge (i had a 45 but i like the 47 better)... then a 51 Gap/Approch... and a 56 hi-toe sand wedge... my PW goes 80-120... my gap wedge is between like 50 and 80.. sand wedge is under 50... i almost never swing my wedges at full power
At the range my 60° is probably my most consistent club, I use full swings for 90 yards then cut it down with hip and knee high swings and then down to flop shots
Funny iv I have those exact 3 wedges. I went from vokey to these mizunos. Had some weight added to the heads as they were significantly lighter than the vokeys.
I go 60/10 pxg sugar daddy 54/13 bent to 55/14 pxg sugar daddy, 52 deg Cleveland xbx then simon Zx7 45 pw find awesome set up on what I use eCh wedg for and different turf from linx to parkland
Nice. I think I am developing a bit of wedge fetish. Started when I got fitted into graphite i525 irons, not testing the PW. When the clubs came in, I had an instant gap +12 yards to my 52 gap wedge, because these hollow heads fire the ball very hot off the face, and I do strike my PW relatively pure as well. I'm now in a Mizuno S23 range of 47 degrees (Gap, almost a second PW, after a 50 degree didn't close the gap properly) and jack-of-all-trades 54 with high-ish bounce and D grind, and a 58 X grind which is my go to club for greenside bunker and occasional lob/buried lie shot. My swing is very shallow by nature so I dared to take a gamble with that aggressive grind without getting fitted, and it works very well for me. My old Callaway MD3 had a bounce of 12 degrees, practically no sole relief, and made my bunker shots highly unpredictable. For chip and run I am using a Cleveland Smart Sole Chipper highly effectively, especially from muddy lies. It's partly a compromise because I only 'discovered' the use of that shot recently after 25 years (...), so when I started practicing I only had my new irons to and if I use my new hollow irons for it, I risk running it over the green. Short game is an addictive puzzle.
@mattfryergolf really great video. Just for clarity, you mention high bounce vs low bounce a few times without specifics. What would be considered low / standard / high bounce angles?
I've always used a PW, 52, 56 and 60, but I'm a 4 handicap and my short game is definitely the strongest aspect of my game, because I practice it religiously. I want to feel like I can get it up and down from within 100 yards every time. Obviously that doesn't happen, but I want to feel like it will. And my 60 is my money club. I got one 2 weeks after I first started playing years ago, and got comfortable with it quickly. I'm not sure I really agree with some of the advice in this video.
u are not very smart or are being smarmy...you must know that 6% of golters are way above a 4 handicap. maybe you also think these sites should say we should all drive it over 300y and one putt most greens because it works for you..
Excellent , intelligent explanations of usage of clubs, degrees, bounces, situations for us ( the talking majority 😂 ). And subtile marketing by Mizuno. Great job.
Just starting out and bought a set of second hand ping g25’s irons which also have a P ,U ,S and a L wedge , there arriving tomorrow, but haven’t got a clue what all four lofts are on them lol
Great use in my bag for all of these: 60° bunker & flop shots, 56°, 52°, 48° and P for the approaches. 10-15 meters difference between these with full swing. 💪 9.5 HCP, 61 years young senior lady. 😁
So you need more wedges than a tour professional? I'm sorry but this sounds utterly ridiculous. I'm not sure if there is a single person on the PGA tour who carries four wedges and a pitching wedge. I just don't understand why we believe that we are so precise that we need more specialty than professionals.
This set of wedges is spot on and ideal for golfers who are not able to reach most par 4 holes with their second shot. They generally are left a third shot into the green of less than eighty yards and their yardages are for full wedge shots, except for forty yards and less. As this is for the majority of par 4's and also for their fourth shots on par fives, it makes complete sense to have 44, 48, 52, 56 and 60 degree wedges. Also full shots are more consistent for distance control than three quarter and half shots.
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@@salihalexanderesq.2243 What is YOUR male problem? I just dropped my HCP 3 numbers because of changes to my bag. Now 9.5. What's yours? "This set of wedges is spot on and ideal for golfers who are not able to reach most par 4 holes with their second shot. They generally are left a third shot into the green of less than eighty yards and their yardages are for full wedge shots, except for forty yards and less. As this is for the majority of par 4's and also for their fourth shots on par fives, it makes complete sense to have 44, 48, 52, 56 and 60 degree wedges. Also full shots are more consistent for distance control than three quarter and half shots" Agnorance is 🤮
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@@zazhou THANK YOU for actually knowing stuff without presuming or bullshitting.
I think with like a lot of these videos, the presenter is a teaching pro and hits the ball further than us weekend golfers. I would take around 20 yards off of his numbers for the average guy
it was suggested that since I was fitted for cavity backed irons, I should use the same in my wedges instead of forged. I have the Cleveland CBX2 54* and 58* in graphite.
I feel like 52 56 60 has been the "standard" for so long but 50 54 58 is becoming the new standard/stock with the delofting of clubs. Most average golfers are not ordering the 55 as they don't want to wait. I agree go get fit, but again not everyone can buy full price stuff. Good information though!
why not play a 48 pw..most modern sets are a joke..guys are pretending they are hitting their 5i farther but it is really a 3i...your pw is really a 9i..you needed fitter to tell you you had to add a 49 pw because you dont really have a pw?..fitter could tell you you need a 3h and 4h because if your set actually came with 3 and 4i that you cant hit because they are really 1i and 2is.
I took my 60 out of my bag since I really didn't feel comfortable with it and I can do pretty much everything I need with my 56. there aren't a whole lot of places I can think that I would rather the 60 outside of maybe short sided and having to cover a trap, so it needs to get up and down and stop.
you are smart and not easilly fooled by marketing...ps for years i said carbon drivers are just marketing hype and cheaper to make...brooks koepka listened to me and won something called the PGA with an all titanium driver that he outdrove everyone with
Not all high handicappers are the same now Matt 😉 I'm solid within 120, and even moreso within 60 where I'll generally have my 60° in hand. I got fitted for 60/10, 55(bent from 56)/08, & 50/08. Lots of evenings after work during summer around the practice green, and time at the range dialling in distances at the short targets. It really pays off on the course 👍🏼 Hopefully the work I've done on the long game over winter pays off too...
2 seasons ago I felt like all my wedges were flying to high and not spinning . I dropped all my lofts down 2 degrees (50,54,58) and have seen a big improvement in launch and spin.
Hi. I'm a reasonable 15 hcap and have a 56 deg vokey sm6 (ground) a 60deg sand wedge and a pitching wedge and personaly can't see any other requirement for another wedge. Just get better using what you have I think 🤔
Bought irons last summer and was the first time I've had stronger lofts with a PW at 44 degrees, so I tried to go 48, 52, 56 above that; but as a serial shortside approach misser and someone who plays tons of open face shots around the greens I was finding it tough to have a 56 as my highest loft. Ended up keeping the 48, getting a 54, and then will be picking up a 58 or 60 to be more comfortable around the greens
I have that exact setup.. PW 44. wedges 48 54 60....i think a 58 would be fine too..if you look at the pros wedge setups, they are all completly different. Try them both and see what works for you
@@bencole9565 I will bend the 54 down to 53, which will also help take a touch of the high bounce option I chose, and a 58 will likely be the next wedge so that would be 5
the point of getting a stronger lofted set is the club companies getting fools to put their 3&4 irons in the garage and then having them buy too many wedges
I've had a 60 for years and I've yet to figure out how to use it around the green. Matt is right, you really have to put some umpf behind it and commit to your shots in order for it to work properly even if it's just a short little chip or pitch. Just got a Ping 3.0 glide 56, I can't wait to try out on the course.
Let's Do a test for Callaway Mack Daddy CB wedge vs Cleveland CBX 2 wedge? i.e. 30 yards over the bunker onto the green with medium to less green to work with.
I'm currently gaming a PW [44deg], GW [50deg] and SW [56deg]. The latter is rarely used outside of a bunker and my GW is kept for close in work only. Pretty happy with my set up.
Just got a 54 and 58 but also already had a 52. Hear me out. 60 is a bit too much loft for me for greenside bunkers. But I can now use my 58 for short bunkers or high lobs and at same time I can even use the 54 as a sand wedge if I don’t want as high of an out. Then my 52 covers the gap from my P wedge to short shots. I prefer using a 52 from 110 all the way down to 50 yards cause I have great distance control with it. Then I’ll use my 54 for anything 70 and shorter unless I need a higher shot then 58 it is.
It’s interesting, back in the days of Trevino and Palmer etc they had a pitching wedge and a 56 degree sand wedge. Now the pros all have 4 wedges…. I guess the pros of yesteryear were more skilled.
When I first golfed we had the basics ,for years I used a 9 iron around the green ,in the bunkers but still did the job , simplified and yes I still have my day job.
My first set was me buying a driver and putter and getting hand me down 3-5-7-9 from my uncle, bought a pitching wedge eventually but didn’t really use it until last year when I started trying to figure out my game more
@marsolca it was similar for me. I had a Driver, 5 wood, 5, 7, 9 irons, sand wedge and a putter. 7 clubs total and they did everything I needed to. Infact, I think learning how to control shots to have decent gapping did more for me than having a full set of clubs all 4° of loft apart
Very good video again. I've ditched my 60 for an xtra GW. I've got a PW @43, GW @48, GW2 @ 52 and SW @56. Found I only used the 69 cause it was there. I wasn't confident, and preferred my SW for high shots, so the xtra GW helps me with the pitching distances.
Extra gap wedge? Looking at those lofts you’re carrying a 9 iron and calling to a pitching wedge. What’s the loft of your 9 iron? Your “first” gap wedge is a pitching wedge.
43 pw...lol..taylormade should sell you a 21* pw so you can really outhit your buddies, but this way they made you buy two extra wedges..young guy on the range brags he can hit his 5i as far as my 3i but they are the same loft and length..i say let me know when you can outdrive me.
Great video but I would say it depend by the yardage … you are hitting a 60 like i do with my PW … two planets which never collide, I would say gapping is linked to swing/club speed and short game is an art and it is like painting everyone is different I mean my PW is 100 yards and GW 85 … the rest is bunker and short game.
Matt, stage 1 - know your clubs. The example Ping G430 PW isn't 45 and doesn't even fall within the typical limits that were quoted of 46 - 42. Since it is 41 degrees, there is an extra club that is 45.5. Does this mean that you still use the "W" as the PW, or accept "club inflation" and adopt the "45" as the PW in your game and play the "W" as a 9 club?
Matt, you and the Mizuno lad talked a lot about bounce. yet, when you tested the wedges, what bounce you used wasn't mentioned. Can you let us know. Also, should one use a difference bounce if you play wet courses. Or very soft/soggy around the greens courses?
This ignores the fact that if you miss the green on a course with very fast greens, very high loft wedges do significantly help one get the ball to go a short distance to the green and stop it very quickly. This can save strokes - hence I successfully carry a very high loft wedge. I only use it for very short shots - 10 yard carry to 1 foot carry.
Whats your thoughts on a 58 vs 56?? Im regapping, and my new set will end with a 44PW and a 50A. Im thinking either t'm thinki g of turning the 50° to 48 and going 52/56/60 but since I love my chipper whats your thoughts on keeping the 50 and adding 54/58. Decisions, decisions
I hit my lob wedge on full shots regularly. It’s no different for me than the SW, GW, or PW . Just as easy to hit . I’m a lot more accurate with a full swing LW from 80yds than a three quarter swing SW.
Same here, that's why I always laugh when instructors advise against it. I hit a 90-100 and my full lob is by far my most consistent and accurate full swing. I feel like all I need to do is just crack it with my fastest controllable swing and it always goes dead straight and the same exact distance and then backslins a few feet. I hit a full lob more accurately than a long chip so sometimes I even club down for it 😆
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This is the one thing I've learned. I was bad player who became a really good player. The difference was just getting better at golf. What degree wedge you use isn't going to make a damn difference. Play what's comfortable to you and this will be your best option. I play a 58, 54, 50. I did play a 60,56,52 and there isn't a damn difference. If you are good, you are going to make it work. If you struggle playing, you are going to struggle with any wedge in your game. Work on your game and screw the equipment.
Now if you are a pro, these small changes can make a difference because the top players in the world are all so good and every little does help. For the average guy, just play what you have an work on your game. The better your game gets, then make a club/iron change. I watch these videos and they make it seem like clubs make the difference and they really don't.
They did mention something very important. The strength of clubs is getting stronger and stronger. If you play a PW that's 41 degrees then get another PW that's 45. Carry two PW. I would also carry an extra wedge in your bag and not worry about what the rules say. I see to many guys worry about the rules on how many clubs they have but then use a foot wedge every time they get a chance. LMAO. I wish I was making this up.
NONESENSE...What loft a wedge has is the last thing to consider...guage the chip distance to the first foot of the green and then the distance to the hole. Chip and run. PW 1:1. 8i 1:3. And so fort down to 6i.
I have a PW, GW, SW and lob wedge all 4 are different brands. Ended up this way by trial and error and having different requirements for each wedge. (46,51,56 & 60)
I'm a very average golfer - (15 handicap) but chipping/pitching is my strongest part of my game by far and saves me lots of shots and minimises putts. I can't recommend enough dropping from 60 to 58 as the difference in accuracy is off the charts and once you get confident with it you can open it so it plays as a 60 when required. As you said practice is key for wedges, if everyone spent as much time on practicing wedges as they did bombing drives at the range I guarantee they would drop their handicap by 3-4.
If you and I were somehow made into one person, we would be on tour. My long game and putting are quite good, but my short irons are awful. I would much rather be 150 out than 30 out. I've adjusted my game accordingly. That's why I hate playing scrambles. I hope your next round is a good one, friend.
And would realize they could get along with 2 maybe 3 wedges instead of 4. I don’t even bother with the 50 anymore. 46-54-60…46 with 9 bounce is like a Q-tip. Variety of uses. The 60 is reserved for the bunker and the one time I need to pop that ball up and back down from short range. Very rare to take a full swing 60 unless I’m on a range mat. 54 with a 12 bounce does everything else. Keep in mind I’m into minimalism which means a 10 club bag. Less bad decisions can be made.
I'm a 13.4 index SR golfer and I'm very much a full swing guy. The 46, 50, 54, and 58 wedges are all in the bag and have about a 10yd difference with full swings. The 58 goes 70-75yds and is easily the yardage I shoot for the most when laying up, it's the most accurate and consistent for me.
@@rdj3video Real men only use 1 club. You're living a life excess...
so.dump.the.50 and 54...ps.just having a 56 is all you need
I do use the lob wedge (mine is 58) for full shots of about 70-80 yds. I feel more comfortable with that full shot (making a smooth comfortable full swing) than trying to hit a 3/4 SW. I use the SW (54) for most shots from green side to 60 yds. Also tend to open up the SW around the green rather than use the LW mostly. GW for the up hill or longer running chips.
get a real 56 sw and dump the other two
@@lifesaver3499 or use what works for them...
I have a 64 deg.wedge in my bag for those deep bunkers at the edge of the green. Rarely used, I had a 20 yd. shot from a deep bunker to a close pin on a negative slope. The 64 deg. wedge hit full lofted the ball high into the air and spun back to within a club length of the pin. I adjust the club set for the different courses I play from hilly and short to flat and long. I'm 83 yrs. and not very strong, so technique is most important. I can't wait for golf season.
I have traditionally lofted clubs, PW 48, GW 52, SW 56, LW 60. Lately the 56 is my go to using the 3 release short game system.
The new PW in my bag is only 42.5°. GW is 48°. I play a 54°/58° and am happy with the gapping. 58° LW for me is not hard to commit. Can hit 1/2, 3/4, full or open. I use the 58° mostly to fly green side bunkers and tight flags. I do practice these shots quite often, that's the key.
I have the exact same in my bag. I like it.
I use the same, I play 14 bounce on the 54. My sand game is on point…. I rarely use the 14 bounce from the fairway though, it’s exclusively for sand
For years only had a PW and a SW and did well with that for the most part. Recently did put a GW and a LW in my bag. Still trying to figure out the yardage on the GW but getting closer. And yes, with a LW you have to be committed. Learning just how hard and fast I need to swing with it to get it to do what I want. Takes some practice and that is something a lot of golfers don't do enough.
just use your pw and sw..choke down and open up the face of your sw and you have an easier to use LW.
That LW can be a pain friend, all the best. I’m planning to give it up.
All you need to be the best 130yards and in is a sandwedge pitching wedge and gap… 54-55/50-51/44-45
DO NOT get a 60 wedge. And sandwedge can do what it can and a lot more.
I've been fitted by Mizuno.....for a 52/7, 56/13 and 60/8.
But I realized that a 50,54 and 58 would be much better for me, I am playing a lot in Spain , and my coach there agree , so a fitting is not always the best option....
I carry a 60 degree Callaway sureout LW. It's got a big sole on it. It's quite a specialist club to carry but it's so good at digging you out of difficult situations around the green
I did have too..but still dont know when to use it..mostly shortgame im just chipping..can u help me on this
I play 45.5/50.5/54/58 Glide 4.0 and love 'em. LW is something you have to practice with and be committed to.
Got serous about my wedges and went with a fitted set of 3, 50, 54 and 58 degree's, what a difference!
I was recently given a 61 degree trusty rusty from the father in law and for me it changed my game. Granted it’s just for maybe 40 yards in I use it, 60 on rare occasions but for the delicate 10-20-30 yard drop and stop it breeds confidence for me, I been using more of the upright and toe down method with It and it’s simplified a lot of work around the greens, horses for courses I guess, ( or just hit more greens in reg 🤔 ) but I love the club. I think any club works if it makes you feel confident over it. How long it lasts who knows, it’s golf after all 😂 13 handicap
Pressed forward with a putter stroke......a 60 is lethal around the fringe as well
I have a z900 as well and let me tell you. It’s the greatest bike I’ve ever owned I will never get rid of it. 🤘🏻golf is fun also.
Hard club to hit and if you are confident that’s brilliant. It’s also lovely to watch a high lob onto the green when executed properly. Hardest shot in the game imo.
went to a 50 (8 degree bounce - for hard surface shots), 54 (10 degree bounce) and 58 (10 degree bounce), found this gapping to work well for my game, got rid of the 60 all together
If you can master the distance, a 60° wedge is great for those touch shots around the green, and imo, great for short bunker shots.
Agree, dropped my 60 & 58 for a 56. They were costing me more shots than they gained me. I'm quite capable of cutting up the 56, so this is as much loft as I require in my bag. Also allows me to carry a 25 hybrid, which I use to give me a higher flighted shot than a 6 iron and same distance. Also use it for chip & run shots.
Isn't a 60 and 58 a really tight gap? Most folks do 50, 54, 58 or 52, 56, and 60...but not two lob wedges...
smart guy..i will let you know when i see more than 5-7% of golfers who can use a LW!...ps...i learned that i was more accurate hitting a 5i off the tee (2 holes in one) than hitting a hybrid off the tee so I use the hybrid from the fairway only unless the flag is right at the front of the green with water or a bunker right in front...having no LW in the bag allows me to carry both the 5i and the hybrid!
After many years of experimenting, I've been using a set up of 46 degree PW, 50 degrees, 54 degrees and 58 degrees. Of the four, I use the 50 the most for 80-90 yard full shots and around the green when I want to run the ball up to the hole. I'd rather change the club than my swing. I only open the face for bunker shorts or out of tall grass.
High handicapper who bought a 52 and a 60, mainly because I got a really good deal on them. The 60 has become my favourite club to play. Definitely still needs a lot of work, but has helped me drop my score significantly around the green.
I think you'd develop better skills and get up and down more often using the less lofted club. If you have nothing to go over, there's no need to get the ball so far in the air.
@@sandersson2813 but I use it for going over stuff, or when I’m about 60 meters out. Works perfect. Don’t use it super tight around the green, will usually just bump and run an 8 iron or something in that circumstance. I’ve found though, as I’m not a massive hitter, I often find myself about 60 meters out from the green, and the 60 is perfect for that. It’s easily one of my most consistent clubs. One of the clubs I practice with the most too. Bad back and never going to drive far, so really working on short game, and it’s definitely lowered my score over the last month or two, from 120’s to low 100’s / high 90’s.
@@JohnUssher-jk2qo Still think it's too much loft for just 60 metres. You are adding extra distance and introducing error by using so much loft because it has to go higher and come down. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line you are increasing that massively by using so much loft.
You'd probably get better results playing the same shit with a 50 or 52.
Not trying to tell you what to do, just making a suggestion as a + handicap golfer
My iron set came with a 44° pitching wedge, from there I went 49° to 54° then a 60° wedge. I have a 56° wedge that I swap in place of the 54° and 60° wedges on occasion, but I always miss having the 60° for bunker and flop shots.
I had that before. Got fitted and bent my 60 to 59.
One of the best lessons on wedges. May have to do away with 60 as I many a times dig into the turf! Always wondered why?
My 58 is my SW and LW. I’ve considered going back to a 56 to simplify my bag and practice with one specialty wedge
I won these wedges in a comp. i went 50, 54 58. lovely wedges im a mid-high handicapper 21
i have a 50 and a 56 and i find the 56 covers pretty much all the short game i need. its great for chipping and bunkers. the 50 is the perfect gap wedge for me
As long as you have it all covered your good
It’s all the great Seve needed
@@allanmclean9847 That unfortunately is our only similarity 😀
@@stephenhill9616 me too mate 😂
yes because your gw is really your pw
I have a yardage gap but I have learned to deal with it without buying any equipment. My full sand wedge is 105, my full pitching wedge is 135. That's a big gap, but it's really not a problem. I don't play like a machine, I play by intuition. Maybe that's why I'm very streaky. I could go out tomorrow and shoot 2-under or shoot 12-over. When I really want to play my best I drink 6 beers before I even tee-off, then maintain it with a beer every couple holes. If you don't drink, you don't drink- but you should try it!
Excellent video. All amateurs should watch this.
I have #10 (45°) and 50°. I have been hunting for a sw or 60°. So far just been chipping my 50° for shorter shots 15-30yards.
No lob wedge in my bag, but I did leave one in the water on 17 at Indian River...
LOL 🤣
My PW is 44. Then i have vokeys 48, 54 and 60. 48 Is my main weapon until im getting within 10-20 metres of the green. Then depending the situation Im using anything from PW-54. 60 only when i really need it
Same..taylormade irons 44pw..then sm8 vokeys 48,52,56,60...all 10 yards apart on average, perfect set up for me
My next golf purchase will be on a proper wedge fitting. Thanks for the info. Now I know the questions to ask.
Great vid Matt, very informative and turns out I'm using my wedges correctly completely by chance 😂
Good man all need a bit of luck 😜
Thanks mate, I’ve been concentrating on using my wedges more rather than a high iron bump and run
Found this channel looking for what were considered to be the best wedges this season and clicked on your video and did not disappoint. Awesome video well informative no matter ones handicap there is something for every level in this video. Definitely sub and a like!
ive got a 47 pitching wedge (i had a 45 but i like the 47 better)... then a 51 Gap/Approch... and a 56 hi-toe sand wedge...
my PW goes 80-120... my gap wedge is between like 50 and 80.. sand wedge is under 50... i almost never swing my wedges at full power
I have a 52, 56 and 60. Love them all, but my 56 is amazing from anywhere I hit it.
At the range my 60° is probably my most consistent club, I use full swings for 90 yards then cut it down with hip and knee high swings and then down to flop shots
Funny iv I have those exact 3 wedges. I went from vokey to these mizunos. Had some weight added to the heads as they were significantly lighter than the vokeys.
Lovely clear explanation there. Thanks Mr F
I go 60/10 pxg sugar daddy 54/13 bent to 55/14 pxg sugar daddy, 52 deg Cleveland xbx then simon Zx7 45 pw find awesome set up on what I use eCh wedg for and different turf from linx to parkland
For me the 60 has been awesome for sand. I am a high handicap beginner 50 + person
Nice. I think I am developing a bit of wedge fetish. Started when I got fitted into graphite i525 irons, not testing the PW. When the clubs came in, I had an instant gap +12 yards to my 52 gap wedge, because these hollow heads fire the ball very hot off the face, and I do strike my PW relatively pure as well. I'm now in a Mizuno S23 range of 47 degrees (Gap, almost a second PW, after a 50 degree didn't close the gap properly) and jack-of-all-trades 54 with high-ish bounce and D grind, and a 58 X grind which is my go to club for greenside bunker and occasional lob/buried lie shot. My swing is very shallow by nature so I dared to take a gamble with that aggressive grind without getting fitted, and it works very well for me. My old Callaway MD3 had a bounce of 12 degrees, practically no sole relief, and made my bunker shots highly unpredictable. For chip and run I am using a Cleveland Smart Sole Chipper highly effectively, especially from muddy lies. It's partly a compromise because I only 'discovered' the use of that shot recently after 25 years (...), so when I started practicing I only had my new irons to and if I use my new hollow irons for it, I risk running it over the green. Short game is an addictive puzzle.
Thought there would be an industry standard for loft with irons. Later found my Callaway Mavrik set has P=41 and A=46.
@mattfryergolf really great video. Just for clarity, you mention high bounce vs low bounce a few times without specifics. What would be considered low / standard / high bounce angles?
I've always used a PW, 52, 56 and 60, but I'm a 4 handicap and my short game is definitely the strongest aspect of my game, because I practice it religiously. I want to feel like I can get it up and down from within 100 yards every time. Obviously that doesn't happen, but I want to feel like it will.
And my 60 is my money club. I got one 2 weeks after I first started playing years ago, and got comfortable with it quickly. I'm not sure I really agree with some of the advice in this video.
u are not very smart or are being smarmy...you must know that 6% of golters are way above a 4 handicap. maybe you also think these sites should say we should all drive it over 300y and one putt most greens because it works for you..
You have to look at how much green you have to work with to determine height also, which dictates the club.
Excellent , intelligent explanations of usage of clubs, degrees, bounces, situations for us ( the talking majority 😂 ). And subtile marketing by Mizuno. Great job.
Just starting out and bought a set of second hand ping g25’s irons which also have a P ,U ,S and a L wedge , there arriving tomorrow, but haven’t got a clue what all four lofts are on them lol
This is an incredibly helpful video!
Great use in my bag for all of these: 60° bunker & flop shots, 56°, 52°, 48° and P for the approaches. 10-15 meters difference between these with full swing. 💪 9.5 HCP, 61 years young senior lady. 😁
So you need more wedges than a tour professional? I'm sorry but this sounds utterly ridiculous. I'm not sure if there is a single person on the PGA tour who carries four wedges and a pitching wedge. I just don't understand why we believe that we are so precise that we need more specialty than professionals.
@@salihalexanderesq.2243 Spot on
This set of wedges is spot on and ideal for golfers who are not able to reach most par 4 holes with their second shot. They generally are left a third shot into the green of less than eighty yards and their yardages are for full wedge shots, except for forty yards and less. As this is for the majority of par 4's and also for their fourth shots on par fives, it makes complete sense to have 44, 48, 52, 56 and 60 degree wedges. Also full shots are more consistent for distance control than three quarter and half shots.
@@salihalexanderesq.2243 What is YOUR male problem? I just dropped my HCP 3 numbers because of changes to my bag. Now 9.5. What's yours?
"This set of wedges is spot on and ideal for golfers who are not able to reach most par 4 holes with their second shot. They generally are left a third shot into the green of less than eighty yards and their yardages are for full wedge shots, except for forty yards and less. As this is for the majority of par 4's and also for their fourth shots on par fives, it makes complete sense to have 44, 48, 52, 56 and 60 degree wedges. Also full shots are more consistent for distance control than three quarter and half shots"
Agnorance is 🤮
@@zazhou THANK YOU for actually knowing stuff without presuming or bullshitting.
46 Pw, 50, 54, 60…has been massive help…wedges save strokes
After I've snapped my putter shaft over my knee, which wedge would be best to putt with?
I think with like a lot of these videos, the presenter is a teaching pro and hits the ball further than us weekend golfers. I would take around 20 yards off of his numbers for the average guy
Use 60° out of bunkers around the greens and use 56° around and 100° from the greens
Very educational. Thanks.
My pleasure
it was suggested that since I was fitted for cavity backed irons, I should use the same in my wedges instead of forged. I have the Cleveland CBX2 54* and 58* in graphite.
Nice good clubs
Started trying to play golf 3years ago lol,watch load's of yr videos. chipping is still killing my game😢.tried most of your tips but still 50/50.
I feel like 52 56 60 has been the "standard" for so long but 50 54 58 is becoming the new standard/stock with the delofting of clubs. Most average golfers are not ordering the 55 as they don't want to wait. I agree go get fit, but again not everyone can buy full price stuff. Good information though!
I have AP2 47deg PW and looking at new 52,56,60 Vokeys
Spot on Matt. I play a 44° pw and got fitted for 49, 54 and 58 in the T22 wedges. Gapping is perfect
why not play a 48 pw..most modern sets are a joke..guys are pretending they are hitting their 5i farther but it is really a 3i...your pw is really a 9i..you needed fitter to tell you you had to add a 49 pw because you dont really have a pw?..fitter could tell you you need a 3h and 4h because if your set actually came with 3 and 4i that you cant hit because they are really 1i and 2is.
@lifesaver3499 I have a 2 iron in the bag which I can stripe
love love love this content.... thanks so much Matt..... seems i'm always looking at wedges... specs... comparisons.... you are awesome...
Appreciate it
I took my 60 out of my bag since I really didn't feel comfortable with it and I can do pretty much everything I need with my 56. there aren't a whole lot of places I can think that I would rather the 60 outside of maybe short sided and having to cover a trap, so it needs to get up and down and stop.
Yep tuff clubs to master!
you are smart and not easilly fooled by marketing...ps for years i said carbon drivers are just marketing hype and cheaper to make...brooks koepka listened to me and won something called the PGA with an all titanium driver that he outdrove everyone with
I have a 44 degree PW, 49 AW and 56 SW. I struggle within 100 yards with the 56. Would i benefit going to a 52 and 58 and or 54 and 58?
Just great . Thanks
Not all high handicappers are the same now Matt 😉 I'm solid within 120, and even moreso within 60 where I'll generally have my 60° in hand. I got fitted for 60/10, 55(bent from 56)/08, & 50/08.
Lots of evenings after work during summer around the practice green, and time at the range dialling in distances at the short targets. It really pays off on the course 👍🏼
Hopefully the work I've done on the long game over winter pays off too...
2 seasons ago I felt like all my wedges were flying to high and not spinning . I dropped all my lofts down 2 degrees (50,54,58) and have seen a big improvement in launch and spin.
Nice work sounds like the change has helpes
@@Mattfryergolf I was surprised at the difference it made on the gapping between PW (46)and 50. It made the 50 a solid 120 club.
Hi. I'm a reasonable 15 hcap and have a 56 deg vokey sm6 (ground) a 60deg sand wedge and a pitching wedge and personaly can't see any other requirement for another wedge. Just get better using what you have I think 🤔
Bought irons last summer and was the first time I've had stronger lofts with a PW at 44 degrees, so I tried to go 48, 52, 56 above that; but as a serial shortside approach misser and someone who plays tons of open face shots around the greens I was finding it tough to have a 56 as my highest loft. Ended up keeping the 48, getting a 54, and then will be picking up a 58 or 60 to be more comfortable around the greens
I have that exact setup.. PW 44. wedges 48 54 60....i think a 58 would be fine too..if you look at the pros wedge setups, they are all completly different. Try them both and see what works for you
I like 4 to 5 degree...never 6 degree differences
@@bencole9565 I will bend the 54 down to 53, which will also help take a touch of the high bounce option I chose, and a 58 will likely be the next wedge so that would be 5
@@da45ep I have good memories from a Vokey M grind 58 degree from a few years back so I'll probably give that a go
the point of getting a stronger lofted set is the club companies getting fools to put their 3&4 irons in the garage and then having them buy too many wedges
I've just changed a 60 for a 56 and I'm chipping so much better, mainly because I'm not blading as many chips through the green
I've had a 60 for years and I've yet to figure out how to use it around the green. Matt is right, you really have to put some umpf behind it and commit to your shots in order for it to work properly even if it's just a short little chip or pitch. Just got a Ping 3.0 glide 56, I can't wait to try out on the course.
Awesome love that
Good info Matt. Thanks
Let's Do a test for Callaway Mack Daddy CB wedge vs Cleveland CBX 2 wedge? i.e. 30 yards over the bunker onto the green with medium to less green to work with.
Great video Matt, always helpfully
Pleasure hope it helped
I needed this video.
I'm currently gaming a PW [44deg], GW [50deg] and SW [56deg]. The latter is rarely used outside of a bunker and my GW is kept for close in work only. Pretty happy with my set up.
Good setup
"gaming"🙄
You mean you don't use your GW from 200 out? What a hoser..
you mean 9i pw and sw..just like nicklaus..worked for him
Just got a 54 and 58 but also already had a 52. Hear me out. 60 is a bit too much loft for me for greenside bunkers. But I can now use my 58 for short bunkers or high lobs and at same time I can even use the 54 as a sand wedge if I don’t want as high of an out. Then my 52 covers the gap from my P wedge to short shots. I prefer using a 52 from 110 all the way down to 50 yards cause I have great distance control with it. Then I’ll use my 54 for anything 70 and shorter unless I need a higher shot then 58 it is.
i've always had a pw, sw and lob which i use a lot. my new set clubs came with a gap wedge but i'm not currently using it.
It’s interesting, back in the days of Trevino and Palmer etc they had a pitching wedge and a 56 degree sand wedge. Now the pros all have 4 wedges…. I guess the pros of yesteryear were more skilled.
What are your thoughts on a chipper?
My pw is 45°, then I've a 50, 54 and 58. I think it's the best balance. I find I use the 54 least
Great video! Very informative!
When I first golfed we had the basics ,for years I used a 9 iron around the green ,in the bunkers but still did the job , simplified and yes I still have my day job.
9 iron gang 🙌
My first set was me buying a driver and putter and getting hand me down 3-5-7-9 from my uncle, bought a pitching wedge eventually but didn’t really use it until last year when I started trying to figure out my game more
That’s the best way to go.
Nobody really needs a 58-60 wedge..I gave mine away as I hardly used it and use my 54 to get over bunkers and short game
@marsolca it was similar for me. I had a Driver, 5 wood, 5, 7, 9 irons, sand wedge and a putter. 7 clubs total and they did everything I needed to. Infact, I think learning how to control shots to have decent gapping did more for me than having a full set of clubs all 4° of loft apart
lol. Ya. I hear ya brother. I just found out about these.
🎉..love the wedge game Matt…
Awesome 💪
Very good video again. I've ditched my 60 for an xtra GW. I've got a PW @43, GW @48, GW2 @ 52 and SW @56. Found I only used the 69 cause it was there. I wasn't confident, and preferred my SW for high shots, so the xtra GW helps me with the pitching distances.
Extra gap wedge? Looking at those lofts you’re carrying a 9 iron and calling to a pitching wedge. What’s the loft of your 9 iron?
Your “first” gap wedge is a pitching wedge.
43 pw...lol..taylormade should sell you a 21* pw so you can really outhit your buddies, but this way they made you buy two extra wedges..young guy on the range brags he can hit his 5i as far as my 3i but they are the same loft and length..i say let me know when you can outdrive me.
Great video but I would say it depend by the yardage … you are hitting a 60 like i do with my PW … two planets which never collide, I would say gapping is linked to swing/club speed and short game is an art and it is like painting everyone is different
I mean my PW is 100 yards and GW 85 … the rest is bunker and short game.
The wedges for me is more important than my irons as I use them more than any other club excluding my putter
Matt, stage 1 - know your clubs. The example Ping G430 PW isn't 45 and doesn't even fall within the typical limits that were quoted of 46 - 42. Since it is 41 degrees, there is an extra club that is 45.5. Does this mean that you still use the "W" as the PW, or accept "club inflation" and adopt the "45" as the PW in your game and play the "W" as a 9 club?
what does it mean 'to get higher bounce', when you are chatting while chiping outside?
Can you do a video explaining bounce? I bought 2 vokeys with the loft I wanted but the bounce I just guessed, I've no idea what it means really.
Great advice 👍
Great video pal
The sound effects when striking the ball 😂😂
Properly turned into that Leo Di Caprio meme watching tele when you put the ‘old’ titleist iron I have in the bag as a comparison 😂
Matt, you and the Mizuno lad talked a lot about bounce. yet, when you tested the wedges, what bounce you used wasn't mentioned. Can you let us know.
Also, should one use a difference bounce if you play wet courses. Or very soft/soggy around the greens courses?
As a high handicap player and my T made stealth set came with a PW, AW and SW do I really need anything else ? Thanks 👍🏼
This ignores the fact that if you miss the green on a course with very fast greens, very high loft wedges do significantly help one get the ball to go a short distance to the green and stop it very quickly. This can save strokes - hence I successfully carry a very high loft wedge. I only use it for very short shots - 10 yard carry to 1 foot carry.
I have a 58, never really used it. The 60 has just always’’worked’’ for me
Great advice. Thanks for the content... Gonna ditch my 52 for a 50
Get fitted please….getting fitted it’s like putting your money at the bank with no interest….no interest maybe ….but you don’t loose it at least.
I used a 60 full swing for 70 yard shots. Just changed to a 58 for the extra 3 yards.
why not just carry a 56?
I got 52 56 and 60, it all depend which course i play my home course has 36 holes, for longer course 52 and 56.
The egg with legs was mad today. I guess the honeymoon is over Best Video in a long time
Whats your thoughts on a 58 vs 56?? Im regapping, and my new set will end with a 44PW and a 50A. Im thinking either t'm thinki g of turning the 50° to 48 and going 52/56/60 but since I love my chipper whats your thoughts on keeping the 50 and adding 54/58. Decisions, decisions
Really good video 👏
I hit my lob wedge on full shots regularly. It’s no different for me than the SW, GW, or PW . Just as easy to hit . I’m a lot more accurate with a full swing LW from 80yds than a three quarter swing SW.
Same here, that's why I always laugh when instructors advise against it. I hit a 90-100 and my full lob is by far my most consistent and accurate full swing. I feel like all I need to do is just crack it with my fastest controllable swing and it always goes dead straight and the same exact distance and then backslins a few feet. I hit a full lob more accurately than a long chip so sometimes I even club down for it 😆