@@Zestieee Chibnall said he didn't care for canon, RTD when he returned backed that up and said its up to fans to choose what is canon. There is officially NO canon in this show now because the two chubby chums that have had the helm recently cant be bothered to keep within it. So there is no canon now, and that includes this sh*t. There was canon when Sutekh appeared in 1975, and he was an alien NOT a god, I hope that helped.
I wish the show would do this (more often). This sort of thing would greatly benefit episodes like this and School Reunion. It’s feels a lot emptier without the flashbacks for visual reference.
School reunion was the first episode I'd ever seen growing up but feel like tennant and sladen were good enough actors to make you feel their past even if you hadn't seen it
I always thought these kind of flashbacks were always very "on your face". The only times it actually worked were on Logopolis and The Doctor Falls. The flashback from The Giggle feels very out of place, just imagine Delgado's face showing up during the reveal of the Master in Utopia, would have been ridiculous
@@hothemeep1219fair but keep in mind the toymaker hadn't been used in fucking decades so it was best to avoid people mistaking him for a nuwho villain.
@@maxcardun True, but I think it’s a sound theory, and one that I’d had myself. I know the notion of power and divinity being divided into a triumvirate or trinity is an ancient idea, but within Doctor Who there is only one grouping of three gods that I can think of.
@@jimmy_the_squid9456 Ooh, that’s an interesting idea! I don’t know if the Master necessarily qualifies for divinity (part of what made the Spy Master crack, in my interpretation, was just being a ‘normal’ Time Lord in the face of the Doctor’s extradimensional origins), but especially after the events of ‘The Giggle’, I could see that working.
@@Djayscratcher98Oh, absolutely. Because Gabriel Woolf voices both (and because of Carla’s mention of the Beast as well, even if just in the general Christian sense), I’ve come to see the Beast as another possible form/incarnation of Sutekh.
Nice touch with the Gods of Ragnarok, Kroll and Akhaten. Especially as the latter two were worshipped as gods. Not so sure about the minotaur. I get the logic but he was a mortal prisoner who just so happened to feed on faith. Maybe Zellin and Rakaya from Can You Hear Me could work as gods of shame since they exploit people's traumas for their amusement.
The best part is that even if you don’t know who Sutekh is if you haven’t watched the classic era, you’ll still have chills throughout the entire episode as it builds up to his reveal
The episode needed this for the new viewers. A lot of people I know don't even know who Sutekh is. Also I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought of the Gods of Ragnarok when it came to the threefold deity.
The general conclusion I've seen from people who have never seen classic who and people who only watched pyramids of Mars after watching this episode is that it was a hype reveal regardless because they had spent all season building up the gods. Watching pyramids of Mars doesn't really add anything to this episode because they did a good job of making it good enough on its own to not need classic who knowledge
You really don't need to previously know who Sutekh is because this scene serves as an introduction and explanation to the enemy. In the same way as you didn't need to know who the Master or Davros were when they first came back in Series 3 and 4 respectively, but they were still reintroduced in a way that explained their identity and motives quite as well as it's being done here.
@@paulronconex whether he is the father of the toymaker or not is currently unknown since that is a recent development in this episode. There really isn't much context in the original episode he was in and I imagine it will be explained next episode anyway but basically Sutekh is an Egyptian god who was imprisoned on mars by his brother. He tried to escape by controlling humans and getting them to destroy his cage but the doctor trapped him in a time corridor. You really don't have to have ever seen the original episode to get the full experience of the new episodes because they did a good job reintroducing him as a member of the pantheon of gods.
Nah, they've basically built up to this villain for a whole season as well as "soft-rebooted" him anyway. Plus whether you have any knowledge of the deities listed doesn't matter, it's an ominous speech about old gods; unnerving to those who don't get the reference and a fun Easter egg for old-heads who do. I thought it was very well executed and re-introduces Sutekh to a new audience very clearly.
It was already so good in the episode. Now, it's even better. But, it would have some of the mysteries of who some of the god that the harbinger was naming were.
Thanks to you i was able to remember some of the gods she mentioned, i didn't know that Reprobate was the Beast, and i thought she was mentioning gods that exist in the Whoniverse but we haven't seen yet while it was actualy classic doctor who's gods that i've seen in some clips but didn't realy remember their names until now thanks to your flashbacks 😊😊
Despite having the twist of who it is still surprise me, as soon as it started listing the different names of Set/Sutek/etc., I instantly remembered the Pyramids of Mars episodes
I don’t know why, but I found the Mara flashback the most chilling, probably because while we do also hear the lightning from the hands of the Gods of Ragnarok, the fact the Mara screams, with Sutekh’s music in the background, adds an extra layer of terror to the atmosphere. Sutekh’s flashback is also chilling due to the lack of music as we get the flashback, mixed with the Fourth Doctor seemingly in pain, almost as if fighting Sutekh was actually slightly traumatic for the Doctor.
Certainly needed flashbacks, after all, when Sutekh was revealed I was like "who?" Kind of easy to forget a character who was only in one serial, even if it is Sutekh.
Brilliantly edited! You'd be interested to know that the episode's shooting script actually features flashbacks of the Toymaker and Maestro mentioning "The One Who Waits", during the cliffhanger.
@@idle_speculation I know. Doesn’t mean it wasn’t a daft line which shows he isn’t as good with his words as other Doctors. “It was the wrong anagram” suggests Sue Tech is also an anagram. “It wasn’t an anagram…” would have been fine.
Someone else agrees that Akhaten is one of the Pantheon and that the Gods of Ragnarok are the three fold deity! Fits right in. Great work. KROLL IS A GOD!
"The very last foeman expected over the last hill in the distance isn't fear, for fear we know too well; that is the second last. The first: the presumption that there is nothing to fear because you allowed yourself to forget the worst always happens when you need a moment, and in avarice allowed that frozen moment extension into what you presume is permanence. "But nothing lasts forever, no kindness without regretful treason, no horror or gaol that cannot be escaped. Permanence has only one face with two parts: regretful conclusion and truthful anaemnesis. "I weep for you now, and every tear is clearly seen before you; they are coming to drown you, Little Cadmus. Fear is a noble savage, so much like you, Gallifreyan. But anger, justly grave, is ignoble and self-justified. Exactly like you."
@@Reginald425 exactly though. He was still referenced even after he first appeared in the Sarah Jane Adventures in Turn Left (I think). They need more references to the early 2000s 8th Doctor stories.
I am not sure Zagreus counts. They were basically a bit of anti-time given shape and mind by the Doctor on accident that then possessed him. I don’t think they count as God.
The way they filmed the reveal of Sutekh reminded me of the Beast, where the mind of Sutekh is possessing another body (Susan Triad) while the body is fearsome yet unintelligent-looking.
Nice touch with Akhaten as the god of secrets (Rings of Akhaten is one of favorite 11th Doctor episodes). TV Tropes suggests that Doubt and Dread could be Zellin and Rakaya, but I personally think they are the Not-Things. Could Fenric and the Fendahl be part of the Pantheon?
I think this would’ve been the perfect way of telling all the New Who people the origins of the show. Showing only some of the past. This episode actually gave me chills as for some reason I was fully expecting it to have Susan Foreman in it. Not the damn God of all Gods. I also love that they still made him Egyptian and look like a Jackal. Sutekh, the God of Death. Cant wait for next week’s episode.
Wow this would've made the reveal much more epic! Good job! I also wanted to add a theory about the Pantheon of Discord, their godlike beings who've banded together following the Time War, they all create chaos throughout the universe, with Sutekh being at the top.
I remember now, during series 2 of doctor who, when he was the 10th Doctor called it. The Satan pit that Beast is God. But thanks to the Doctor, he broke the vase and sentence the Beast to death.
i already thought it was a cool reveal, and i know some people who’ve only seen new who that were on the edge of their seats, but the flashbacks add so much context that i think is helpful for people who haven’t seen classic who.
Yeah I'm working on Classic Who right now, but I'm only on the 2nd Doctor and I've been working a while. Also I didn't connect the Satan pit or the god complex
It's cool to see flashbacks of long forgotten DW villains from the Classic era, although I admit RTD is right not to do the same trick twice since it already feels like a rehash of The Giggle scene, not to mention a bit too self-indulgent as best.
We can only remind the audience that having no budget in 2014 is different from having no budget in the classic era where the show ran on super Sentai budget and if the doctor had to. Explode some ones ass they went to the BBC Quarry because evil aliens always be invading via the strip mine district.
@@JamesForward91 Cool, thanks! Do you also happen to know the ones used for the Incensor's children, Doubt and Dread? As well as the big tendril monster used for the "skin" one?
I personally believe Sutekh and the Beast are one and the same, there's lots of supporting evidence in this episode. But, big pinch of salt, I've yet to ever watch Pyramids of Mars. Crossing my fingers for that Tales of the TARDIS!
I'm quite sure of the same as well. Sutekh's many names include "Satan" among countless others, which is initially stated in Pyramids of Mars. Plus they have the same voice actor. Which isn't as big of a proof as it sounds in such a vast universe but it's still something
I'll be honest, as someone who has sort of half-kept up with Doctor Who that has a very limited knowledge of the older Doctor Who episodes, I stared at my TV and went "...wait, who the heck is that?" Don't get me wrong, I appreciate all of these old callbacks, they are super cool, but they do leave me a bit confused.
The episode does not expect you to previously know who Sutekh is. This entire scene is literally explaining to you who he is and what the implications of his return are. He even introduces himself with his own words. There is not much to be confused about as it is pretty much all there for you to know. The references are cool but they're not important for understanding what is going on in the scene and the episode.
@@Zestieee It kind of expects you to have some knowledge. The Doctor reacts to Sutekh's name in a way that we should have some tiny bit of understanding at least. I dunno, it's probably more of a me-problem not keeping up with Doctor Who.
@@eruannster The Doctor has often been aware of creatures and events we never even saw on screen. He's not a clueless character, he's got some experience. The Doctor's reaction is merely telling us that he knows how dangerous and powerful this enemy actually is. This happened with the Master's initial return as well as Davros', there was no way to previously know these villains if you hadn't watched the Classic series and yet the reveals still came off as very striking simply because the Doctor was so overwhelmed by their return.
Sutekh was a one-time villian in only one story with the pyramids of Mars. After 49 years, he has returned. So it's understandable why casual fans don't have knowledge of Sutekh. But they will know of why because Sutekh is one of the most powerful villians and is the only villain the Doctor fears the most.
"It was the wrong anagram..." That's...That's not an anagram, Doctor. S Triad was, yes, but Sue Tech = Sutekh is not what id call an anagram. (Do love the reveal, its very pro-wrestling style. Reminds me of Y2J's 2009 WWE return)
The wrong anagram was S Triad (Technology). It was a deliberate trap by Sutekh to lure the Doctor, and he still hid his name in the company name through a wordplay. So, yeah. SUE TECH is not an anagram. But the line was not referring to it as such
A definite improvement, you’v put context, her voice becomes so static that it was hard to make out what she was saying sounded like she was talking with a lisp
I love this video, it’s done really well, but it also makes it clear to me why it didn’t show these. They kill the building terror this speech is going for.
This would've helped a lot. When they said "His one true name...Sutekh" my first thought was "Who?" because I never saw The Pyramid of Mars, and had to go to the wiki for context. I was mildly disappointed because I know who Susan is, and they were building up to her. And then the switcu happened but the impact fell flat because I didn't know who they were
I preferred it without the flashbacks, but still a nice little edit, then again that's just my insignificant preference to the ultimate decision of a creative team who have no idea of my existence.
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This epsidoe needed the flashbacks scene like what they did with toymaker for new who audiences
No need at all because NONE of this is true to canon. Its gibberish RTD has just made up.
@@lesigh1749 hes the writer of the show nutjob, what he says is canon
Nah, even if you don't know Sutekh, you undertand in this reveal that he's bad news and a big menace. Similar case to Utopia with the Master reveal.
@@lesigh1749 I'm sorry sir who do you think is in charge of the canon if not the showrunner and head writer
@@Zestieee Chibnall said he didn't care for canon, RTD when he returned backed that up and said its up to fans to choose what is canon. There is officially NO canon in this show now because the two chubby chums that have had the helm recently cant be bothered to keep within it.
So there is no canon now, and that includes this sh*t. There was canon when Sutekh appeared in 1975, and he was an alien NOT a god, I hope that helped.
I wish the show would do this (more often). This sort of thing would greatly benefit episodes like this and School Reunion. It’s feels a lot emptier without the flashbacks for visual reference.
School reunion was the first episode I'd ever seen growing up but feel like tennant and sladen were good enough actors to make you feel their past even if you hadn't seen it
Maybe we'll get some in the finale, we got those cool Toymaker flashbacks in the Giggle
I always thought these kind of flashbacks were always very "on your face". The only times it actually worked were on Logopolis and The Doctor Falls. The flashback from The Giggle feels very out of place, just imagine Delgado's face showing up during the reveal of the Master in Utopia, would have been ridiculous
@@hothemeep1219fair but keep in mind the toymaker hadn't been used in fucking decades so it was best to avoid people mistaking him for a nuwho villain.
0:15 I’m glad someone has equated the three-fold deity with the Gods of Ragnarok. Hopefully this gets confirmed in a future episode!
I agreed
I think it was just name dropping for this video. Besides they also misidentified Chronos. But it makes for good showmanship.
Someone else said it was the 3 faces of the Master (Simm = malice, Gomez = mischief and Sacha = misery)
@@maxcardun True, but I think it’s a sound theory, and one that I’d had myself. I know the notion of power and divinity being divided into a triumvirate or trinity is an ancient idea, but within Doctor Who there is only one grouping of three gods that I can think of.
@@jimmy_the_squid9456 Ooh, that’s an interesting idea! I don’t know if the Master necessarily qualifies for divinity (part of what made the Spy Master crack, in my interpretation, was just being a ‘normal’ Time Lord in the face of the Doctor’s extradimensional origins), but especially after the events of ‘The Giggle’, I could see that working.
_"I am Sutekh the Destroyer. Where I tread, I leave nothing but dust and darkness. I find that good."_
I like that they went classic with the dialog "I bring Sutekh's gift of death to all Humankind"
I wanted to add a flashback for each God named so had to use clips of characters that aren't in the Pantheon. Anyway, like and subscribe, etc, etc.
I think the beast is part of it. Or at least i like to think so lol
@@Djayscratcher98Oh, absolutely. Because Gabriel Woolf voices both (and because of Carla’s mention of the Beast as well, even if just in the general Christian sense), I’ve come to see the Beast as another possible form/incarnation of Sutekh.
@@trygon_stingray yeah 100 %
Nice touch with the Gods of Ragnarok, Kroll and Akhaten. Especially as the latter two were worshipped as gods. Not so sure about the minotaur. I get the logic but he was a mortal prisoner who just so happened to feed on faith. Maybe Zellin and Rakaya from Can You Hear Me could work as gods of shame since they exploit people's traumas for their amusement.
Zellin and Rakaya are Eternals like Light though
The best part is that even if you don’t know who Sutekh is if you haven’t watched the classic era, you’ll still have chills throughout the entire episode as it builds up to his reveal
The episode needed this for the new viewers. A lot of people I know don't even know who Sutekh is.
Also I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought of the Gods of Ragnarok when it came to the threefold deity.
This. I consider myself pretty knowledgable. But there's always gaps when it comes to a 55 year canon and I just didn't think of this at all.
The general conclusion I've seen from people who have never seen classic who and people who only watched pyramids of Mars after watching this episode is that it was a hype reveal regardless because they had spent all season building up the gods. Watching pyramids of Mars doesn't really add anything to this episode because they did a good job of making it good enough on its own to not need classic who knowledge
You really don't need to previously know who Sutekh is because this scene serves as an introduction and explanation to the enemy.
In the same way as you didn't need to know who the Master or Davros were when they first came back in Series 3 and 4 respectively, but they were still reintroduced in a way that explained their identity and motives quite as well as it's being done here.
Can someone explain? Extremely lost? Is he like the father of the toy maker etc?
@@paulronconex whether he is the father of the toymaker or not is currently unknown since that is a recent development in this episode. There really isn't much context in the original episode he was in and I imagine it will be explained next episode anyway but basically Sutekh is an Egyptian god who was imprisoned on mars by his brother. He tried to escape by controlling humans and getting them to destroy his cage but the doctor trapped him in a time corridor. You really don't have to have ever seen the original episode to get the full experience of the new episodes because they did a good job reintroducing him as a member of the pantheon of gods.
Honestly this is something the episode needed. It adds much needed context without having to overexplain things.
Nah, they've basically built up to this villain for a whole season as well as "soft-rebooted" him anyway. Plus whether you have any knowledge of the deities listed doesn't matter, it's an ominous speech about old gods; unnerving to those who don't get the reference and a fun Easter egg for old-heads who do. I thought it was very well executed and re-introduces Sutekh to a new audience very clearly.
Delightful. Several watches later (and now with new clips) and that speech from Harriet / Sutekh is still giving me chills. Magnificent!
Personally, i think the finale would benefit from Flashbacks to Pyramids of Mars for new audiences
and i suspect that is exactly why we are getting a new Tales of the TARDIS on Thursday (?) that is almost certainly going to be Pyramids of Mars
@stephenpalmer9375 Is Tales of the Tardis available on Disney Plus tho?
@@juliet1203_Sadly, no. Only in the UK on iPlayer.
@@juliet1203_It’s only available in the UK, which sucks for Americans like me.
I’m hoping next episode opens with a Twice Upon a Time style recap of Sutekh’s previous appearance.
I really really liked the thing you did at 1:11 with the eyes. Love it
They should have done this, a lot of people including myself had no clue lol.
I love how serious this is and 7 is just doing his lil spins lol
You gotta bring it around town!
he's so cute i love him
Did anyone else notice the Harrold Saxon theme in the episode
I thought it was going to be the master when i heard it
@@The-Lone-Dalek Same.
I thought it was going to be Omega.
My grandpa introduced me to doctor who when I was little and we bonded over it and I still watch it to this day because of him
This would’ve hit much harder for me with these 😂
It was already so good in the episode. Now, it's even better. But, it would have some of the mysteries of who some of the god that the harbinger was naming were.
U nailed each bit. Love how these gods are connected
It really feels like all these deities are all part of family. Like the deities in Sandman
Bad Wolf Studios should hire you as an editor
Best comment, great work here.
Thanks to you i was able to remember some of the gods she mentioned, i didn't know that Reprobate was the Beast, and i thought she was mentioning gods that exist in the Whoniverse but we haven't seen yet while it was actualy classic doctor who's gods that i've seen in some clips but didn't realy remember their names until now thanks to your flashbacks 😊😊
The beast isn’t the reprobate he’s the devil
@horrorandgamer9790 thanks dude can you send me this comment months ago into the pass before i relise it myself !
SUTEKH SUTEKH SUTEKH SUTEKH SUTEKH
I Bring Sutekh the gift of Death.
SUTEKH
Really nice idea having visuals for the gods Harriet mentions ramping up the tension to the reveal of sutekh! Cool job
Despite having the twist of who it is still surprise me, as soon as it started listing the different names of Set/Sutek/etc., I instantly remembered the Pyramids of Mars episodes
I don’t know why, but I found the Mara flashback the most chilling, probably because while we do also hear the lightning from the hands of the Gods of Ragnarok, the fact the Mara screams, with Sutekh’s music in the background, adds an extra layer of terror to the atmosphere. Sutekh’s flashback is also chilling due to the lack of music as we get the flashback, mixed with the Fourth Doctor seemingly in pain, almost as if fighting Sutekh was actually slightly traumatic for the Doctor.
This is so much better!
Certainly needed flashbacks, after all, when Sutekh was revealed I was like "who?" Kind of easy to forget a character who was only in one serial, even if it is Sutekh.
Thank you, I can send this to all my friends who haven't seen classic Who. ❤
Oh man I loved the finale but they totally should have done this! This is sick!
Brilliantly edited! You'd be interested to know that the episode's shooting script actually features flashbacks of the Toymaker and Maestro mentioning "The One Who Waits", during the cliffhanger.
Doubt and Dread made me think of Zellin and Rakaya from “Can You Hear Me?” more than anything.
Brilliant I love how you added flashbacks
Much as I love most of the messaging, this Doctor really isn’t great with words. Sue Tech isn’t an anagram of Sutekh. It’s a homonym.
And showing it on screen like it was a game show was cringe
@@theangrygamer1008 in your opinion
It’s being compared to the S. TRIAD/TARDIS anagram
@@idle_speculation I know. Doesn’t mean it wasn’t a daft line which shows he isn’t as good with his words as other Doctors.
“It was the wrong anagram” suggests Sue Tech is also an anagram.
“It wasn’t an anagram…” would have been fine.
@@paulwalker3758 true enough
Nicely done content! Thanks for taking the time to do this.
I am the Night!
I am the Terror!
I am Sutekh!
I am The Batman!
“I am the Terror that flaps in the Night!”
All I could think of was Darkwing Duck when I heard that 😂
I am Darkwing Duck
I fully felt it was going to be The Beast when I heard that.
I am...inevitable
Thanks for putting in all the references. I didn't get them all.
Oh my days why was this not in the episode ?!?! This is brilliant well done
WHY DIDN’T THEY DO THIS!!!
Someone else agrees that Akhaten is one of the Pantheon and that the Gods of Ragnarok are the three fold deity! Fits right in. Great work. KROLL IS A GOD!
"The very last foeman expected over the last hill in the distance isn't fear, for fear we know too well; that is the second last. The first: the presumption that there is nothing to fear because you allowed yourself to forget the worst always happens when you need a moment, and in avarice allowed that frozen moment extension into what you presume is permanence.
"But nothing lasts forever, no kindness without regretful treason, no horror or gaol that cannot be escaped. Permanence has only one face with two parts: regretful conclusion and truthful anaemnesis.
"I weep for you now, and every tear is clearly seen before you; they are coming to drown you, Little Cadmus. Fear is a noble savage, so much like you, Gallifreyan. But anger, justly grave, is ignoble and self-justified. Exactly like you."
I worked out that last time Sutek was on the show I was 4 years old. I really needed some thing like this in last weeks episode to remind me.
Original fans when "Seth" was mentioned probably: "-Oh no."
Will be hard to top threat Sutekh brings to the table...
Would've been neat if they referenced Zagreus if that counts if they can talk about the Trickster which was outside Doctor Who.
The Trickster was referenced in Turn Left iirc
@@Reginald425 exactly though. He was still referenced even after he first appeared in the Sarah Jane Adventures in Turn Left (I think). They need more references to the early 2000s 8th Doctor stories.
I am not sure Zagreus counts. They were basically a bit of anti-time given shape and mind by the Doctor on accident that then possessed him. I don’t think they count as God.
They've ignored the fact that 8 went back to see Susan, so Zagreus has no chance! But, hey, Shalka is canon now🤪
I'm already picturing the line: "Zagreus, the God of Anti-Time."
The way they filmed the reveal of Sutekh reminded me of the Beast, where the mind of Sutekh is possessing another body (Susan Triad) while the body is fearsome yet unintelligent-looking.
0:29 What was the god the 3rd dr fought called?
Kronos
Masterfully done!! Oh man I love the inclusion of each respective doctor that faced each one!
Great edit
They have to bring back the mummies they’re hilarious. Death by squeezing between two . Loved that story so much x
Nice touch with Akhaten as the god of secrets (Rings of Akhaten is one of favorite 11th Doctor episodes). TV Tropes suggests that Doubt and Dread could be Zellin and Rakaya, but I personally think they are the Not-Things. Could Fenric and the Fendahl be part of the Pantheon?
I think this would’ve been the perfect way of telling all the New Who people the origins of the show. Showing only some of the past. This episode actually gave me chills as for some reason I was fully expecting it to have Susan Foreman in it. Not the damn God of all Gods. I also love that they still made him Egyptian and look like a Jackal. Sutekh, the God of Death. Cant wait for next week’s episode.
I loved the part with him looking like a jackal too, as it aligns with his inspiration.
Excellent work! Very helpful.
Tbh i do think theyll add some flashbacks in the empire of death but damn this would have been amazing
Wow this would've made the reveal much more epic! Good job! I also wanted to add a theory about the Pantheon of Discord, their godlike beings who've banded together following the Time War, they all create chaos throughout the universe, with Sutekh being at the top.
I remember now, during series 2 of doctor who, when he was the 10th Doctor called it. The Satan pit that Beast is God. But thanks to the Doctor, he broke the vase and sentence the Beast to death.
Not only who Sutekh is, but all the other gods in this pantheon that the Doctor has met and fought.
They really needed a 'last time on' in Empire of Death showing clips from 'Pyramids of Mars' so new viewers weren't confused lol
Chills. I got chills.
damn 10/10 great job!
I wish they did this in the broadcast. They need to embrace this shows history.
Nice idea, but that was probably a few too many for a scene already doing a silly amount of cuts.
Awesome.
This was so helpful - I hadn’t put a couple of them together (like the 3 fold deity from Greatest Show in the Galaxy).
Thanks!
Wait holy shit I didn’t think all of the things the harbinger mentioned were actual who villains.
i already thought it was a cool reveal, and i know some people who’ve only seen new who that were on the edge of their seats, but the flashbacks add so much context that i think is helpful for people who haven’t seen classic who.
Nicely done. Watching "Pyramids of Mars" now as I type.
Nice edit. I wish the actual production used these types of flashback scenes.
Yeah I'm working on Classic Who right now, but I'm only on the 2nd Doctor and I've been working a while. Also I didn't connect the Satan pit or the god complex
This would've been soo much better. I didn't even realise that all these gods appeared in doctor who
This is awesome!
wish they did this
What if Ruby Sunday is Suteck's grand-daughter and the only person who can destroy him ?
It's cool to see flashbacks of long forgotten DW villains from the Classic era, although I admit RTD is right not to do the same trick twice since it already feels like a rehash of The Giggle scene, not to mention a bit too self-indulgent as best.
We can only remind the audience that having no budget in 2014 is different from having no budget in the classic era where the show ran on super Sentai budget and if the doctor had to. Explode some ones ass they went to the BBC Quarry because evil aliens always be invading via the strip mine district.
0:28 Who is that which is being equated to the Incensor, god of disaster?
No idea
That's Kronos, from The Time Monster.
@@JamesForward91 Cool, thanks! Do you also happen to know the ones used for the Incensor's children, Doubt and Dread? As well as the big tendril monster used for the "skin" one?
@@sirtitan7940Doubt and Dread are also Kronos, and Skin is Kroll.
@@DrWhoFanJ Noted. Thank you!
I personally believe Sutekh and the Beast are one and the same, there's lots of supporting evidence in this episode. But, big pinch of salt, I've yet to ever watch Pyramids of Mars. Crossing my fingers for that Tales of the TARDIS!
I'm quite sure of the same as well. Sutekh's many names include "Satan" among countless others, which is initially stated in Pyramids of Mars.
Plus they have the same voice actor. Which isn't as big of a proof as it sounds in such a vast universe but it's still something
I'll be honest, as someone who has sort of half-kept up with Doctor Who that has a very limited knowledge of the older Doctor Who episodes, I stared at my TV and went "...wait, who the heck is that?" Don't get me wrong, I appreciate all of these old callbacks, they are super cool, but they do leave me a bit confused.
The episode does not expect you to previously know who Sutekh is. This entire scene is literally explaining to you who he is and what the implications of his return are. He even introduces himself with his own words. There is not much to be confused about as it is pretty much all there for you to know. The references are cool but they're not important for understanding what is going on in the scene and the episode.
@@Zestieee It kind of expects you to have some knowledge. The Doctor reacts to Sutekh's name in a way that we should have some tiny bit of understanding at least.
I dunno, it's probably more of a me-problem not keeping up with Doctor Who.
@@eruannster The Doctor has often been aware of creatures and events we never even saw on screen. He's not a clueless character, he's got some experience. The Doctor's reaction is merely telling us that he knows how dangerous and powerful this enemy actually is.
This happened with the Master's initial return as well as Davros', there was no way to previously know these villains if you hadn't watched the Classic series and yet the reveals still came off as very striking simply because the Doctor was so overwhelmed by their return.
Sutekh was a one-time villian in only one story with the pyramids of Mars.
After 49 years, he has returned. So it's understandable why casual fans don't have knowledge of Sutekh.
But they will know of why because Sutekh is one of the most powerful villians and is the only villain the Doctor fears the most.
I loved the original reveal but this gave me freaking chills with how good it was
That’s not an anagram it’s a portmanteau.
for a science fiction show, doctor who has had a lot of gods
"It was the wrong anagram..."
That's...That's not an anagram, Doctor.
S Triad was, yes, but Sue Tech = Sutekh is not what id call an anagram.
(Do love the reveal, its very pro-wrestling style. Reminds me of Y2J's 2009 WWE return)
Torchwood/Doctor Who of course was an Anagram. This is more what I would call a pun. And a stretch at that.
The wrong anagram was S Triad (Technology).
It was a deliberate trap by Sutekh to lure the Doctor, and he still hid his name in the company name through a wordplay.
So, yeah. SUE TECH is not an anagram. But the line was not referring to it as such
@@Zestieee what I'm arguing is that's not what an anagram is. You could call it something else but an anagram ain't it.
Never watched the classic show. This is incredible editing.
Good vid mate 😀
They should have had the flashback scenes
Nice idea and a neat edit, but I think it's a bit too jumpy and takes the tension out of the scene.
A definite improvement, you’v put context, her voice becomes so static that it was hard to make out what she was saying sounded like she was talking with a lisp
Can we just do a shout out to Murray Gold's soundtrack for this two-parter for a sec. At so many points I thought the soundtrack was so good.
0:16 seven is KILLIN ME LMAOOOOO
I love this video, it’s done really well, but it also makes it clear to me why it didn’t show these. They kill the building terror this speech is going for.
Thank you for this! Your version was so much better than what we actually saw!
so The Beast of Satan Pit is the god of what??🤨
God of spite
Not a big fan of flash back (mostly because shows use them at wrong time) but this is one time it would of been super useful in the show haha
Now which episodes are all these from
This would've helped a lot. When they said "His one true name...Sutekh" my first thought was "Who?" because I never saw The Pyramid of Mars, and had to go to the wiki for context. I was mildly disappointed because I know who Susan is, and they were building up to her. And then the switcu happened but the impact fell flat because I didn't know who they were
would have made the ep almost perfect if they did something like this
I preferred it without the flashbacks, but still a nice little edit, then again that's just my insignificant preference to the ultimate decision of a creative team who have no idea of my existence.
My theory for future tv series what if ruby might be mother of Susan also could river or rose be mother of ruby?
Somebody get on the horn to Cheyenne Mountain. We need Stargate Command NOW.
This would have helped. A lot.
HELL YEAH
NICE!!!
Well at least it didnt devolve into a musical dance number this time. Thats something.