Well, it looks like I went too easy on Andy around the 7 minute mark. I didn't want to just crap all over the guy since I only had a small amount of footage to go on, but it's clear now that one can not be hard enough on him. Reports now indicate that he is a literal pimp and general piece of human garbage.
I was literally about to bring up how big of a POS he actually is but I read this pin lol. I've seen others who still low key prop him up because of the good advice he offers without seeing the other side of the coin.
Well you could make a point that building muscles for yourself isn't something negative either. Looking good is something everyone wants and I see only negative aspects if everything revolves around that. In addition to that being attractive to your partner is a good thing. You should take care of your body beyond basic maintenance.
“Go serve those around you and stop worshipping at the alter of the mirror” This man be dropping poetry. 😂 Well written and delivered. Thank you for sharing this with the world.
Hey man, as a leftist I'm relieved that I found a conservative channel that is less reactionary and more reasonable about certain topics. Keep up the good content, I appreciate it👍
You know why I hate alphas? There’s a line in game of thrones said by Tywin to Joffrey who keeps telling everyone he’s the king. “The true king does not need to tell people he’s king.” Now replace king with alpha.
Finally, a rational take on all this alpha hooplah. I'm a 30 year old man who has been working at a hospital for the past couple years, and I really saw myself undergo a change when I focused my energy on helping others. Not that I was ever doing this for anybody else, but it's crazy how much attention you get when people find out you're a dependable, hardworking person, who not only can take care of himself, but others as well. Now I have a drive that I've never had before, I'm fulfilling my dream of going back to school for medicine next year. To me, I've found my calling and it makes me happier than all of Tate's super cars ever could.
I'm really glad to hear you've got that drive, it's such a good feeling. And you are totally right, when you can be counted on, it opens up so much in your life. When people can only count on you looking out for yourself, they disappear quickly. I hope school goes well, because medicine needs more people who really care
Just a quick reminder that helping others always prompts the human limbic system to dose some dopamine. Social interaction is a hallmark of humanity and what separated us from animals driven purely by instinct. I experienced this when caring for my father-in-law after he suffered a stroke. I was astonished by how it made me feel as if I were back in US Army during the 90s. Helping others is quite literally it’s own reward. I’m guessing this what Greg refers to when he describes providing foster care for children, who desperately require positive role models. There are so many more foster children nowadays vs when I was growing up. I’d challenge anyone to help someone else, even it’s only kind words and support. Just a few positive words can make all the difference in the world to some folks (and it costs nothing to be nice!)
Thank you, I too have gotten very tired of Juvenile men arguing with Juvenile women and everybody hating on each other. We have a juvenile culture that I hope is starting to mature but it's going to take awhile.
Yeah, I've been seeing this Whatever Podcast popping up everywhere. They get idiots to come on and then run over them. Great, you won an argument with an idiot. What is any of that proving?
I appreciate you watching! Hopefully Tate being revealed to be an actual pimp will cause a few guys to wake up and see that this alpha attitude will take you to dark places
@@gregowen2022 Hi there, month late to this comment but I felt I had to add this. A major part of Tate's business in the last couple of years was running a Cam-girl website. He is a pornography distributer. I don't know how you would describe that but from my own conservative point of view that is the ultimate disrespect to women, sell there sexuality. (Not to mention a major social ill that is pornography)
Maybe it’s just my upbringing, but I think a lot of “masculine” traits are just good humanistic traits. Such as providing for others, responsibility, etc. I personally don’t identify myself with masculinity though I identify as male. It’s hard to describe
It's definitely a fine line that is very hard to describe. I think the alpha male thing is like a hyper-masculinity that has missed the point. Should you provide for a family and be a leader? Yes. They go beyond that to say you are the absolute authority in your home, a king to be respected and feared. It's a funhouse mirror of being a man.
This is a very good take, in my opinion. My mama always taught me “Life is about balance. If you go too far one way or the other on anything, you tip the scale”, and it’s so true. Everyone’s conditioned to be so divided and to think that “well if this way of thinking is good, the opposite must be COMPLETELY BAD”. Then life becomes like a sports game where the other way of thinking is always the enemy, which simply isn’t so in my experience for a lot of common things. Having a balanced take and looking at everything from BOTH sides before forming an opinion is the key to not getting stuck in the societal norms that hurt your mental health and way of looking at life logically. I recently found your channel and your content has been a refreshing look at things I’ve casually thought about for years. I hope you continue to share these ideals with people ☀️ I know I’m really enjoying these videos. Also, His Cheeseburger is a BOP and that’s gonna be stuck in my head for the rest of the day, so thanks for that.
One can be humble but never submissive. Why? You inevitably coexist with morally ambivalent members of humanity who won’t care about your well-being at all despite of what you do. Humility is wisdom. Submissiveness is spinelessness. There is a difference. That is why you must start from taking care of your own health and sanity first and foremost, something that society doesn’t always offer you reliable help with due to the aforementioned moral ambivalence. You are merely expected to give yourself up for the benefit of strangers and familiars alike without always benefitting yourself. There is the ever present risk of you falling further through the cracks. Some succumb to that fate while others such as the examples in this video overcompensate through empty posturing. If as a man you can’t find an adaptive balance to a challenging life you can not effectively serve anybody. Like you said, it’s all about balance. That is what individual men must truly achieve as a goal to be healthy. Just my two cents.
Yeah I followed some manosphere guys for guidance until I realized. Nothing they said helped me in how to interact with a woman and the stuff they said was contradictory. I don’t want money or cars I want a family how does sleeping around get me that? Even more surprisingly relationship asmr a fantasy gave me more ideas how to comfort a girl. Something I would want to learn and find useful for defusing things with a woman. Give space state your feelings but don’t be a wet door mate. And or use some soft touch to soothe a girl.
I believe empowering yourself is a good message but I do not believe that these people bring more good than bad as they often promote misogyny and in tastes case actual abuse of others especially women. The problem is much more of society needs to learn and learn how to use critical thinking and empathy
Very true. These guys generally talk about being powerful compared to women, or so you can get women. I'm not a psychologist, but they seem to have serious female hangups. Tate's idea of "getting out of the matrix" is hilariously consumerist. Buy big houses and Bugattis? That's seriously the meaning of life, Andrew?
I don't think it's really fair to suggest that wanting want big muscles, fast sports cars, or hot women as a bad thing in and of itself. If you have a passion for something or a desire for something, and you're able to pursue that dream, then that's part of what makes life worth living. The problem comes when either (A) you think that those successes make your life worth more than other's lives, or (B) when passion turns to obsession and you forsake your other duties in the community. I love martial arts. I've been doing it half my life. I taught (mostly kids) for several years. I'm learning a new one now. The biggest three reasons I do it are so I can find friends with similar interests to me (martial arts), as my form of exercise, and because it's just so dang fun. The video presents pursuit of martial arts competition as some sort of alpha male thing, but I just want to have fun. Same reason I drive a sport car (not a supercar). I enjoy driving it, and it fits my needs. Not all of this is in service of others, but it doesn't really hurt others that I have them.
I think it's great that you've found a balance, though I think you're in the minority. The internet male gurus see those things as goals, not tools. I would disagree that simply having a passion makes life worth living, however. Pursuit of self-pleasure is not a strong meaning in life. Martial arts is great for developing skills you can use in life. I put my own kids through Taekwondo for those benefits.
As a conservative person I agree. My RUclips feed keeps giving me this kind of stuff and I just don't fully agree with them. I still think they do more good than bad. I'd rather have people strive to be-although egotistical and materialistic-fit and financially stable(not that you can't be fit and financially stable without the cons I mentioned) over being broke and aimless, as I am. On another note, I'm surprised you don't have more subscribers. I watched your video on Velma and now this one and I have to say you have a way with words. I think you're quite efficient when speaking, specially in that Velma video. You were concise in making your point. I like that.
I really appreciate you watching and the kind words! The Velma video seems to have broken the dam. I'm also torn on the alpha guys. I agree that following the actions they prescribe can improve you, but it can also lead you to be a horrible person. Perhaps Tate's crimes, if they are true, will serve to modify the way the Manosphere approaches self-improvement
I believe empowering yourself is a good message but I do not believe that these people bring more good than bad as they often promote misogyny and in tastes case actual abuse of others especially women. The problem is much more of society needs to learn and learn how to use critical thinking and empathy
Such a based RUclipsr, thanks for the video. Pride, greed and lust (becoming the "Top G", the cool guy, getting RICH and getting the all the women) are deadly sins Jesus is the Way. GOD Bless.
0:56 The general thing is that these days it's only villains like Bateman and Durden who are really allowed to be masculine. It's the same reason people like characters such as Walter White or John Wick. When was the last time you saw a male character in fiction that embodied manliness like Superman, or Han Solo, Indiana Jones or a Schwarzeneggar movie? It doesn't really exist anymore. Schwarzeneggars action heroes are considered 'toxic' these days for using violence, feminists call Han Solo a creep for 'pushing himself' on Leia during Empire Strikes back, and the less said about the mishandling of Superman the better. If heroes are supposed to embody virtue, and modern feminism is considered a virtue. Then by that standard none of these characters can be shown to be heroes. But at the same there's still a huge market for for movies about men who act manly, get in fights, sleep with every women, get the money and the power. But none of them are allowed to be good and heroic anymore because that might signal that the 'masculine' behavior is a good thing. If all you see in the media is that all masculine behavior is toxic and evil. Then men are going to start glamorizing toxic and evil people.
If I remember right, the alpha male idea came from an outdated study on wolves. There was a thought that the alpha wolf got there by dominating the other wolves. Actually, a wolf pack is led by a mated pair of wolves and everyone else are their pups and occasional strangers that are accepted into the fold. Some circles of men have taken this outdated idea and since ran with it.
@@myronbourne6937 True, but every couple of years, technology throws some more complexity in, and expands the dynamics of human function and interaction. Shit is changing and it's changing fast. People generally dont beat their wives into submission anymore. People aren't marrying 10 year olds anymore. Most people aren't foraging for nuts and berries and hunting constantly to stay alive anymore. Most people live longer and have more security/necessities than before. So it's becoming less practical to dominate everyone around you, because "the group" isn't going starve if someone doesn't do what "The Alpha" says... The roles are still there, but the environment/situation is constantly evolving, so instead of teaching your son how to kill the neighboring tribe and keep everyone in line, now you teach your son how to get a job and function in this concrete jungle. You can't just beat people with a rock and toss them out the tree anymore, its becoming a little more complex than just "Alpha vs Beta"
Both misinterpret the wolf thing Alpha males do dominate while in captivity because they have to put up with other wolves they don't like. In the wild however they start families and even adopt other.wolves and guard their territory from other packs. But people take this as proof of no dominance hierarchy rather than an observation that is rather obvious about both species. Human's also form massive hierarchies in cities and then form more familial looser hierarchies when out in the country on their own land. In other words Hierarchy is circumstance based that doesn't disprove that wolves dominate other wolves when they have to it's just that they don't have to most of the time by living somewhere else. Secondly Alpha is also a term used in reference to chimps which humans are much more similar to and in chimp hierarchies are indeed more dominant based than even wolves however even there the alpha that lasts does so by staying popular and helping his underlings. Either way the concept of an Alpha male is valid you just can't turn it into a caricature and look at it in context.
I disagree that the man needs to be the leader in the house. I agree there does need to be a leader, but it's not always the man. If a woman has the more dominant personality, then it makes more sense for her to be the leader in that relationship.
Obviously, there will aways be exceptions. I would, however, wager that a majority of women that are leading their homes are doing so out of necessity to fill a vacuum left by a feckless husband.
That is so accurate! I am related to two women who lead their homes and they often express wishes that their husband actually stepped up instead of being another one of the kids.
A real man will be more and more like Jesus. He had all power but only ever served others. He had nothing to prove to anyone, unlike these internet clowns overcompensating for their deep-seated fear they aren't good enough. There's no substitute for knowing your purpose and being right with your Creator! You hit the nail on the head with this one!
I would even go as far as to say that a man that has this service mindset will have little trouble at "stumbling" into success and relationships, by the mere virtue of him being the opposite of a ducebag in his usual behaviour.
When Jesus walked among us, he did not preach about "manliness", he healed the poor, sick, lame, and taught His disciples how to minister to the people. The example was that NO ONE BUT GOD CAN TRULY SOLVE HUMAN PROBLEMS. Anyone who seriously calls themselves a Christian will recognize that these notions of manliness or femininity are all ultimately human-derived concepts. A man is still a man even if he was born blind and relies on everyone to live from birth to death.
I'm not an alpha male or a beta male, I'm an egalitarian male, I want people to flower and blossom in my presence. I don't want to control people who are weaker or less intelligent than I am, and I don't want to submit to anyone who thinks they're my superior. It's our duty to ridicule and mock and ostrosize anyone who considers themself an alpha.
Great content. I'm a single father and sometimes get down on myself for being a little overweight, not making more money or not doing great in the dating scene but this video helped to give me some needed perspective. I provide for my son and I'm always here for him. Keep up the good work!
I'll second that. You've definitely got your priorities straight if you are putting your son first. That's being a good dad and a good man, and if you're there for him, he'll grow up to be a good man just like you.
Well you could make a point that building muscles for yourself isn't something negative either. Looking good is something everyone wants and I see only negative aspects if everything revolves around that. In addition to that being attractive to your partner is a good thing. You should take care of your body beyond basic maintenance.
If you focus on anything, just make sure fitness is a part of it. I dont mean being chiseled like a greek god. I mean general, functional fitness. Be able to get out of bed and lift groceries and walk upstairs without dying. Just f*cking exercise is what i'm saying. And also, very very important. Actually do things you enjoy. Hobbies and stuff. Dont "hustle" 24/7. You need to actually enjoy life as well, even if its something small like a walk. Just get away from all the hussle and bussle of life sometimes and relax.
When you see a man posing with nunchaku as an example of "manly use of weapons" you know he is not what he thinks he is. Nunchaku are a limp, broken stick.
I chuckle every time I think about him telling someone to get drone footage of him doing nunchuck moves on a boat. It’s exactly what a 12 year old thinks is the manliest thing you can do.
There's nothing wrong with alphas. They play a role in society like everyone else. You need all sorts to make a successful society. Alpha males do valuable work in the military, police, fire fighting and in other hard jobs. And, yes, they enjoy combat sports - and many enjoy watching them go at it. All types of people are valid and necessary, even if we don't all get along. Maybe you have to get old to realise this?
In life, you only control two things- your actions and your thoughts. Or, to put it another way, you only control what you do and why you do it. This is an interesting look into what you get when your actions are right but your motivations are so completely corrupt. I think we see a lot of "Wrong thing for the right reason" examples but the converse is a cautionary tale as well.
What's absurd about it? Men and physically and psychologically conditioned by their genes to lead, protect, and provide for their families. When it comes to physical danger, the average man will always beat the average woman. Deluding yourself by creating inefficiency that could get your loved ones killed in a time of crisis helps nobody
Hey. Just wanted to say I discovered this channel recently and I ADORE this content (that VeggieTales reference was top notch) Something funny about these alpha males is that they refer to the male alpha wolf a lot like he’s a loner when in reality, the leading male wolf of a pack is (especially in the wild) a family man. He’s the father of the pack more often than not. He leads for the well being of the pack and is respected but is also very gentle and good for some bonding and play time.
Ngl, Andrew Tate is a world champion, he will maul Jake Paul. Also, I don't think Jake and Andrew should be compared, Jake Paul cannot be as bad as Andrew Tate.
I'll say Alpha people do exists and it's not gender specific, but they're not that, they're leaders sure, but by example and they're teachers and they build you up, I've worked under a few and when you fall short they get disappointed in you and it's so much worse than if they got angry, but also let you know when you're doing well and encourage I don't know if I'm that person but I strive to be now that I'm training people at my work more and more
Striving to be that is already putting you ahead of most. The world needs more servant leaders. These online 'alpha' guys might bully people into following them but it never lasts the way real leadership does, which you described
@@gregowen2022 almost as if on que, I just got a message from a girl I've not worked with in a few years, she ran into another girl I worked with on her travels, on reminiscing on where they'd been they talked about how good and fun I was to work with, these ladies had not met before that day, and one thought enough to shoot me a message about it, put a glow in my whole day
I'm only using it to express my point. A REAL alpha man is the protector, provider and a man that is humble and a servant to God. Humbleness is a great virtue, but unfortunately all these "alpha" men are the opposite of humble.
"Muscles are just a tool to do your job as a man" This is my take here, too. The men following this, a lot of them anyway, are just missing the point that the reason for being tough, aggressive and macho is to protect others. Also, I'm pretty sure Tate is just a shiny distraction from the real brains behind the operation. It's an MLM scheme, too, btw. I saw part of the Vice docu about him, it was weird...
One can be humble but never submissive. Why? You inevitably coexist with morally ambivalent members of humanity who won’t care about your well-being at all despite of what you do. Humility is wisdom. Submissiveness is spinelessness. There is a difference. That is why you must start from taking care of your own health and sanity first and foremost, something that society doesn’t always offer you reliable help with due to the aforementioned moral ambivalence. You are merely expected to give yourself up for the benefit of strangers and familiars alike without always benefitting yourself. There is the ever present risk of you falling further through the cracks. Some succumb to that fate while others such as the examples in this video overcompensate through empty posturing. If as a man you can’t find an adaptive balance to a challenging life you can not effectively serve anybody. It’s all about balance. That is what individual men must truly achieve as a goal to be healthy. Just my two cents.
Conservative person here also getting very disturbed by the realization that I am equated with people like Andrew Tate in some people's eyes. What do I do???
How much is enough money to make? As much as I'm capable of earning. If I can do billions, I will. The more money I make, the less I'm chasing after it. But if I need to buy a new house and prices stay insane, well, I'll need to make more.
Yeah, it's a pretty hard row to hoe going through all this stuff. But I think AT has risen up like he has because this woke sickness that has saturated the earth is just intolerable for many of us. In general, I agree with AT, but I draw the line when thinks start to get extreme. And yes, service is a valuable activity. However, you're forgetting the female aspect of all of this, and the toxic femininity that is a career for nealy all women now, and the fact that they only see a man as a superannuation package. But I don't hear you calling them out on that score. And I really find it offensive that you need to use value judgments to get your point across. That is suspect. Your problem is, you've got the answers to everyone else's problems, but not your own. Paddle your own canoe dude. Sorry bud, you're gonna have to learn about balance.
I was working like crazy to constantly better our lives, and then I started working with people far less passionate working less hours and in higher roles than me. I figured out working that much helps me learn, but it didn't help promote me up.
Alpha males who are jacked may make good protectors, but your average soldier, sailor, airman, marine, or law enforcement officer can take an Alpha male down. You don't have to be super strong in order to be a good fighter.
I agree with a lot of what you said - particularly about service being one of the true paths to living a fulfilling life. However, you have to forgive young men for getting swept up in the emptiness of the quest for money and/or the perfect six pack. Learning about the importance of service and how real men behave is something you do mostly through experience, sometimes quite bitter experience- although having a great dad gives you a real head start here. I feel really sad for all those young guys out there who dont have decent fathers to set an example for them. Christian values seem at odds with today's TikTok world, and sadly a lot of religious leaders have let us down. However, Jesus' central message: "Be a decent human being, not an asshole" still rings true.
OH LORD YES! Quite honestly, I cannot stand how ego-centric these "alpha males" teachings come out as. Their teachings are not the true end goal for a man as these are truly just tools. The money and wealth is not simply for you: they are for your family and, if you own a business, your employees as you give them their pay for hard work. That big house is not for you to simply echo into: it's for your family to thrive and grow. Personally, I've found working out to not be enough, but it IS a key factor to happiness; not the only one. Learning more about history, philosophy (personally, I prefer Nietzsche, Christ, Aurelius and Musashi thus far), and even how to cook, get back into drawing and art, and better understanding writing. Basically it doesn't matter what method you seek to better yourself: understand that your goal is to progress farther than you did yeaterday; even if it's only an inch.
I completely agree. If you are focused on improving yourself in areas where you know you are weak, you don't have time to brag about the areas where you are strong. These alpha guys claim they are about personal growth, but it's really only ego growth. It's gross
What fuels all this worship of Alphas in Anglospheric societies is their hyper-willpower/free will approach to life even in their “Christian worldview”. E.g. “I am resilient largely because of my willpower/free will/choice”. “I obey Jesus largely by my willpower/free will/choice (rather than God’s grace MAKES ME want to obey Him)”. “Jesus can only transform my heart to the extent of which I exercise my willpower to ‘allow’ Him”. While the existence of the moral freewill remains highly controversial even amongst Christians, a hyper-emphasis on it will eventually make you chase after “alpha-hood” as a way to deceive yourself into believing that you are “resilient enough” to whip out the willpower/free will whether it is to be a “tougher” person or to be a “better follower of Jesus”. On rainy days when life hits hard enough that willpower is virtually nil, hyper freewillers will be the first to feel unworthy of God’s perfect love that casts out fear thus constantly trapped to prove oneself to be seen as a “resilient Alpha” as well as sucking up to “resilient Alphas” out of fear that “my willpower/free will/choice” is not resilient enough.
You’ve conflated your job as a father with every man’s job as a man. 1. Be an expendable servant 2. Be a confident leader 3. Be an expendable servant Those aren’t what a “man” needs to be. That’s what YOU need to be, as a person who volunteered to take on seven burdens, with no ethical recourse to relieve yourself of those burdens. I have not volunteered to manage such a burden, thus my “job” as a man is simply not to interfere. Join the 21st century, won’t you?
Sure, not every man is going to be a father, though I think "expendable servant" is silly and sounds bitter. For research purposes, since I haven't had a childless perspective for quite some time, what would you say a man's job is if he is not a husband or father? There are plenty of men who aren't either, what should they be doing?
I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, but no. With the videos that have been leaked, it's clear he's a literal pimp or is training people to be pimps. If the charges are true, I want an entire library thrown at him
@@gregowen2022 I watched an interview that Stephan Molyneux did with Andrew's brother Tristan where he mentioned that one of their financial ventures was a 'Web Cam' site...although not illegal on the surface, knowing this immediately lessened Tate in my view...this "empowering" of women and their sexuality is morally reprehensible.
Real alpha's don't need to scream "I'm an alpha" you know an alpha when you see it. I've observed in the "TV reaction youtube sphere" when you remove the politics they all react the same way to an alpha male. The best example I can give is all the Band of Brothers reaction. There is a scene in Band of Brothers Episode 8 where all the reactors have the same reaction and at the end all the reactors know who is the alpha of the group. I'll risk being called a sexist by saying you could almost see the female reactors internal dialogue "I want to have this mans babies" and the male reactors sitting next to them aren't even jealous. That is an alpha male.
Yes! There is a rap song that states “if you know it, you don’t speak it. If you speak it, you don’t know it” Oh and as a female, you’re assessment wasn’t sexist at all😊
Just found your channel yesterday but you’ve earned my subscription. I joke with my girlfriend about being that kind of man, but it’s pretty obvious I’m joking because I’m 5’6, fat and physically limited because of a military injury. I can’t stand these “gurus,” or the people who take them seriously.
I understand where you're coming from, Old Fruit, but I think you're looking at this too deeply. If these 2 morons want to knock seven shades of sh*t out of each other... let 'em. England's (yes, I'm English) Freddy Flintoff did something similar a few years ago and he got it out of his system, and now he's over it. Watch current episodes of Top Gear to see how far.
Normally I would just let idiots be idiots. My concern is that our young men are buying into this garbage. As you say, hopefully they'll get it out and grow up. Sooner rather than later, I hope. I had to look up old fruit. In all the masterpiece theater my wife has watched, I hadn't ever heard that one!
Hehehe..."brofessors"...nice. Go ahead and listen to Fincher-Norton on the Fight Club commentary or Michael Lewis talking about the "Liar's Poker" reaction, and you'll see how poor the perspective of most young men is and has been. Also, "Alpha Male" is a completely false premise generated by idiots who "studied" a bunch of captive wolves who were just pissed about being in cages and fought like wild animals in cages...you know, due to the fact that they were WILD ANIMALS WHO WERE TRAPPED IN CAGES. The "alphas" in wild wolf packs are just the mommies and the daddies...you know, because the ones who've already survived to adulthood and had offspring are decent enough candidates for the ones you'd want to train others to do same.
Gentlemen I'm with you on most things that I have been listening to on this channel since I discovered it about 3 hours ago (listening while working so thank you for helping me get through all this work by the way🙏), but honestly having lived the "be a good man thing", "serve your family & broader community", & all that, honestly this is where I recoil because I don't agree. I'm 34 now, spent most of my life thinking that this worldview of a man, his place & role in society is the truth. I actually enjoyed that selfless life where you made the decision to not focus on yourself especially when it mattered. So far as I can tell in my own experience (other ppl might have had a different experience), your worth to your family & society ends up mostly being measured by your bank balance. All the being a good man, supportive & loving partner, caring, being a dedicated person in your family & a servant in your community (job, neighborhood, church) eventually get weighted against how nice your car is, how much you earn & what nice things you can do for the people around you, not how loving, caring, supportive you are. That is my experience & as such, I can totally get why these guys have just gone to the extreme because at least when you are at their level you don't burn yourself living up to an ideal. You don't even have to try because your value, though measured in a very superficial way is at least unquestioned as opposed to the man who tries & keeps failing especially by modern society's standards where men have boxes to tick, but the ladies......,you know; she's perfect exactly as she is. Personally, I have no interest in having multiple women wake up in bed as I lift weights & kick things on my luxury boat 😅. Sorry but that is just weird to me coz casual sex with ppl I don't know every other night never seems like a good idea whether ur him or her ,& seems like waaaaaay too much work😓. That said, the good man thing, sorry I don't agree.
Imitate Jesus Christ, and you will see your life change in unexplainable ways. He knew He had 1 day left on Earth before His death(and eventual resurrection), and what did He do? He washed feet. He served.
@@gregowen2022 Are you by any chance Christian? A lot of your videos give off the "Christian, but talking about secular subjects through a secular lense" vibes.
@@Iliadic yes I am and that's the lens I'm usually shooting for. When appropriate, I like to bring in a theological angle, but since I'm usually doing entertainment commentary, it isn't needed
Is a social, political and religious conservative. I agree entirely. These alpha male guys are the worst. The reason you need to be strong. There’s a reason you need to earn money. The reason you need to strive is so that you can take care of your family.
Sadly, yes. I try not to be overly negative and I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt instead of being just another Tate hater, but holy shit I cut him way too much slack.
HA! You nailed the youth pastor down! The variety I'm used to wears those blazers with the elbow pads and a dress shirt that's unbuttoned at the top with no necktie! Jeans sometimes and really shiny shoes! XD
I'm really glad that I clicked on your 'Velma' video, your channel seems to offer a lot of good content with commentary that I find interesting and enlightening...with the Christian perspective. I've been aware of Tate for 2-3 years now and found him to be a very intelligent and insightful young man...and then the 'Sales pitch' came, which was very off putting, but I simply ignored it as I thought it to be false bravado, and then last year co-workers started asking me if I knew of "this guy Tate", the type of guys who I would not recommend any young man emulate, and then it all exploded. Yeah, Tate had blossomed into a late night Hype TV Salesman, that was so obviously manufactured that I couldn't take him seriously anymore...Pride goeth before the fall.
I'm glad you clicked, too! What's sad about Tate is that he is apparently a smart guy, but his insane ego and need for attention turned that intelligence to terrible purpose. Pride indeed gets them every time
This is also kinda why when people complain about "toxic masculinity" I usually get kinda annoyed. Because a lot of actions and behaviors labeled as toxic masculinity aren't masculine in the slightest. Masculine behavior and actions are things done in service of others whether that be protective or providing, this a toxic act of masculinity would be something like being overly protective of someone, forcing materials on them when they don't want it, things like that. Things like taking advantage of people, sexual or otherwise, assaulting people, and so on aren't masculine at all, they're the opposite of masculine, they're weak little bitch behaviors that small people use to feel big. Tho, in saying that, I do have to concede that "man-splaining" technically counts as toxic masculinity, as it's a man trying to impart wisdom without being asked, giving resources without a request, if that makes any sense.
I completely agree. When that term started, it was "masculine activities that have been perverted to the point of being toxic" and now it's used as "masculine = toxic".
Yeaaah, tho I suppose you could say that about a lot of phrases now, might have started off meaning one thing, and that thing might have been something that we needed to address, but they've been taken by a political group or side and are used to mean something completely different. What's really weird is when both sides do it and nothing makes sense anymore.
Well, it looks like I went too easy on Andy around the 7 minute mark. I didn't want to just crap all over the guy since I only had a small amount of footage to go on, but it's clear now that one can not be hard enough on him. Reports now indicate that he is a literal pimp and general piece of human garbage.
8:05 “guess we’ll find out later.” Deep down you had suspicions- and you did a good job covering that possibility.
I was literally going to comment "Oh no, that aged poorly." Way to own up to your mistake, even when it's such a small oversight. That is awesome!
I was literally about to bring up how big of a POS he actually is but I read this pin lol. I've seen others who still low key prop him up because of the good advice he offers without seeing the other side of the coin.
Well you could make a point that building muscles for yourself isn't something negative either. Looking good is something everyone wants and I see only negative aspects if everything revolves around that. In addition to that being attractive to your partner is a good thing. You should take care of your body beyond basic maintenance.
“Go serve those around you and stop worshipping at the alter of the mirror”
This man be dropping poetry. 😂
Well written and delivered. Thank you for sharing this with the world.
I appreciate the kind words
Hey man, as a leftist I'm relieved that I found a conservative channel that is less reactionary and more reasonable about certain topics. Keep up the good content, I appreciate it👍
As a conservative I’m glad I found a channel that isn’t blatantly far right
Though he blatantly is, lol!
Did you start with the "Velma" video like me?
@@mallorycarpinski1160 yes. Lol gotta love how no matter the race, gender, sexual orientation, or political stance everyone across the board hates it
@@mallorycarpinski1160 Same with me.
You know why I hate alphas? There’s a line in game of thrones said by Tywin to Joffrey who keeps telling everyone he’s the king. “The true king does not need to tell people he’s king.” Now replace king with alpha.
Finally, a rational take on all this alpha hooplah. I'm a 30 year old man who has been working at a hospital for the past couple years, and I really saw myself undergo a change when I focused my energy on helping others. Not that I was ever doing this for anybody else, but it's crazy how much attention you get when people find out you're a dependable, hardworking person, who not only can take care of himself, but others as well. Now I have a drive that I've never had before, I'm fulfilling my dream of going back to school for medicine next year. To me, I've found my calling and it makes me happier than all of Tate's super cars ever could.
I'm really glad to hear you've got that drive, it's such a good feeling. And you are totally right, when you can be counted on, it opens up so much in your life. When people can only count on you looking out for yourself, they disappear quickly. I hope school goes well, because medicine needs more people who really care
Just a quick reminder that helping others always prompts the human limbic system to dose some dopamine. Social interaction is a hallmark of humanity and what separated us from animals driven purely by instinct.
I experienced this when caring for my father-in-law after he suffered a stroke. I was astonished by how it made me feel as if I were back in US Army during the 90s. Helping others is quite literally it’s own reward. I’m guessing this what Greg refers to when he describes providing foster care for children, who desperately require positive role models. There are so many more foster children nowadays vs when I was growing up.
I’d challenge anyone to help someone else, even it’s only kind words and support. Just a few positive words can make all the difference in the world to some folks (and it costs nothing to be nice!)
Thank you, I too have gotten very tired of Juvenile men arguing with Juvenile women and everybody hating on each other. We have a juvenile culture that I hope is starting to mature but it's going to take awhile.
Yeah, I've been seeing this Whatever Podcast popping up everywhere. They get idiots to come on and then run over them. Great, you won an argument with an idiot. What is any of that proving?
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As a woman, I appreciate this. I very much agree with you here. Going above the alpha male persona is a good thing.
I appreciate you watching! Hopefully Tate being revealed to be an actual pimp will cause a few guys to wake up and see that this alpha attitude will take you to dark places
7:12 I mean, Tate kinda glorified physical abuse to women and simultaneously stereotyped them once in another interview, so idk about that one…
Ordinarily I would ask which interview, but I had to watch so much of that kid while making this video. I don't want to see anymore.
@@gregowen2022 Fair enough
@@gregowen2022 Hi there, month late to this comment but I felt I had to add this. A major part of Tate's business in the last couple of years was running a Cam-girl website. He is a pornography distributer.
I don't know how you would describe that but from my own conservative point of view that is the ultimate disrespect to women, sell there sexuality. (Not to mention a major social ill that is pornography)
@@gregowen2022 Bruce Rivers criminal lawyer has videos about that. Also The Authentic Observer's video about Tate is worth to watch.
For the amount of views and the amount of subs you have, your editing and video quality is pretty good. keep it up!
I really appreciate the encouragement, thank you so much!
Maybe it’s just my upbringing, but I think a lot of “masculine” traits are just good humanistic traits. Such as providing for others, responsibility, etc. I personally don’t identify myself with masculinity though I identify as male. It’s hard to describe
It's definitely a fine line that is very hard to describe. I think the alpha male thing is like a hyper-masculinity that has missed the point. Should you provide for a family and be a leader? Yes. They go beyond that to say you are the absolute authority in your home, a king to be respected and feared. It's a funhouse mirror of being a man.
This is a very good take, in my opinion. My mama always taught me “Life is about balance. If you go too far one way or the other on anything, you tip the scale”, and it’s so true. Everyone’s conditioned to be so divided and to think that “well if this way of thinking is good, the opposite must be COMPLETELY BAD”. Then life becomes like a sports game where the other way of thinking is always the enemy, which simply isn’t so in my experience for a lot of common things. Having a balanced take and looking at everything from BOTH sides before forming an opinion is the key to not getting stuck in the societal norms that hurt your mental health and way of looking at life logically. I recently found your channel and your content has been a refreshing look at things I’ve casually thought about for years. I hope you continue to share these ideals with people ☀️ I know I’m really enjoying these videos.
Also, His Cheeseburger is a BOP and that’s gonna be stuck in my head for the rest of the day, so thanks for that.
One can be humble but never submissive. Why? You inevitably coexist with morally ambivalent members of humanity who won’t care about your well-being at all despite of what you do. Humility is wisdom. Submissiveness is spinelessness. There is a difference. That is why you must start from taking care of your own health and sanity first and foremost, something that society doesn’t always offer you reliable help with due to the aforementioned moral ambivalence. You are merely expected to give yourself up for the benefit of strangers and familiars alike without always benefitting yourself. There is the ever present risk of you falling further through the cracks. Some succumb to that fate while others such as the examples in this video overcompensate through empty posturing. If as a man you can’t find an adaptive balance to a challenging life you can not effectively serve anybody. Like you said, it’s all about balance. That is what individual men must truly achieve as a goal to be healthy.
Just my two cents.
Yeah I followed some manosphere guys for guidance until I realized.
Nothing they said helped me in how to interact with a woman and the stuff they said was contradictory.
I don’t want money or cars I want a family how does sleeping around get me that?
Even more surprisingly relationship asmr a fantasy gave me more ideas how to comfort a girl.
Something I would want to learn and find useful for defusing things with a woman.
Give space state your feelings but don’t be a wet door mate. And or use some soft touch to soothe a girl.
"A leader is a servant."
LIKIN' AND COMMENTING FOR THAT ONE CHIEF 👍💪👌
Correct. Andrew and Logan are both children. Having, building and caring for a family and the community they live in to make things better.
You’re a real one Greg. Thank you for being real.
I believe empowering yourself is a good message but I do not believe that these people bring more good than bad as they often promote misogyny and in tastes case actual abuse of others especially women. The problem is much more of society needs to learn and learn how to use critical thinking and empathy
Very true. These guys generally talk about being powerful compared to women, or so you can get women. I'm not a psychologist, but they seem to have serious female hangups.
Tate's idea of "getting out of the matrix" is hilariously consumerist. Buy big houses and Bugattis? That's seriously the meaning of life, Andrew?
Won't SOME BODY think of the women???
I don't think it's really fair to suggest that wanting want big muscles, fast sports cars, or hot women as a bad thing in and of itself. If you have a passion for something or a desire for something, and you're able to pursue that dream, then that's part of what makes life worth living. The problem comes when either (A) you think that those successes make your life worth more than other's lives, or (B) when passion turns to obsession and you forsake your other duties in the community.
I love martial arts. I've been doing it half my life. I taught (mostly kids) for several years. I'm learning a new one now. The biggest three reasons I do it are so I can find friends with similar interests to me (martial arts), as my form of exercise, and because it's just so dang fun. The video presents pursuit of martial arts competition as some sort of alpha male thing, but I just want to have fun. Same reason I drive a sport car (not a supercar). I enjoy driving it, and it fits my needs. Not all of this is in service of others, but it doesn't really hurt others that I have them.
I think it's great that you've found a balance, though I think you're in the minority. The internet male gurus see those things as goals, not tools. I would disagree that simply having a passion makes life worth living, however. Pursuit of self-pleasure is not a strong meaning in life.
Martial arts is great for developing skills you can use in life. I put my own kids through Taekwondo for those benefits.
As a conservative person I agree. My RUclips feed keeps giving me this kind of stuff and I just don't fully agree with them. I still think they do more good than bad. I'd rather have people strive to be-although egotistical and materialistic-fit and financially stable(not that you can't be fit and financially stable without the cons I mentioned) over being broke and aimless, as I am.
On another note, I'm surprised you don't have more subscribers. I watched your video on Velma and now this one and I have to say you have a way with words. I think you're quite efficient when speaking, specially in that Velma video. You were concise in making your point. I like that.
I really appreciate you watching and the kind words! The Velma video seems to have broken the dam. I'm also torn on the alpha guys. I agree that following the actions they prescribe can improve you, but it can also lead you to be a horrible person. Perhaps Tate's crimes, if they are true, will serve to modify the way the Manosphere approaches self-improvement
I believe empowering yourself is a good message but I do not believe that these people bring more good than bad as they often promote misogyny and in tastes case actual abuse of others especially women. The problem is much more of society needs to learn and learn how to use critical thinking and empathy
Such a based RUclipsr, thanks for the video. Pride, greed and lust (becoming the "Top G", the cool guy, getting RICH and getting the all the women) are deadly sins
Jesus is the Way. GOD Bless.
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The general thing is that these days it's only villains like Bateman and Durden who are really allowed to be masculine. It's the same reason people like characters such as Walter White or John Wick. When was the last time you saw a male character in fiction that embodied manliness like Superman, or Han Solo, Indiana Jones or a Schwarzeneggar movie? It doesn't really exist anymore. Schwarzeneggars action heroes are considered 'toxic' these days for using violence, feminists call Han Solo a creep for 'pushing himself' on Leia during Empire Strikes back, and the less said about the mishandling of Superman the better. If heroes are supposed to embody virtue, and modern feminism is considered a virtue. Then by that standard none of these characters can be shown to be heroes.
But at the same there's still a huge market for for movies about men who act manly, get in fights, sleep with every women, get the money and the power. But none of them are allowed to be good and heroic anymore because that might signal that the 'masculine' behavior is a good thing.
If all you see in the media is that all masculine behavior is toxic and evil. Then men are going to start glamorizing toxic and evil people.
Perfectly said ☝️
men nowadays need to watch a john wayne cowboy movie. that's all. They be alright after that.
If I remember right, the alpha male idea came from an outdated study on wolves. There was a thought that the alpha wolf got there by dominating the other wolves. Actually, a wolf pack is led by a mated pair of wolves and everyone else are their pups and occasional strangers that are accepted into the fold. Some circles of men have taken this outdated idea and since ran with it.
It doesn't really change anything though.
We were never wolves.
It has nothing to do with wolves, that's an urban legend. Behavioral archetypes are real and can categorized in a handful of ways
@@myronbourne6937 True, but every couple of years, technology throws some more complexity in, and expands the dynamics of human function and interaction. Shit is changing and it's changing fast. People generally dont beat their wives into submission anymore. People aren't marrying 10 year olds anymore. Most people aren't foraging for nuts and berries and hunting constantly to stay alive anymore. Most people live longer and have more security/necessities than before.
So it's becoming less practical to dominate everyone around you, because "the group" isn't going starve if someone doesn't do what "The Alpha" says... The roles are still there, but the environment/situation is constantly evolving, so instead of teaching your son how to kill the neighboring tribe and keep everyone in line, now you teach your son how to get a job and function in this concrete jungle. You can't just beat people with a rock and toss them out the tree anymore, its becoming a little more complex than just "Alpha vs Beta"
Both misinterpret the wolf thing Alpha males do dominate while in captivity because they have to put up with other wolves they don't like. In the wild however they start families and even adopt other.wolves and guard their territory from other packs. But people take this as proof of no dominance hierarchy rather than an observation that is rather obvious about both species. Human's also form massive hierarchies in cities and then form more familial looser hierarchies when out in the country on their own land. In other words Hierarchy is circumstance based that doesn't disprove that wolves dominate other wolves when they have to it's just that they don't have to most of the time by living somewhere else. Secondly Alpha is also a term used in reference to chimps which humans are much more similar to and in chimp hierarchies are indeed more dominant based than even wolves however even there the alpha that lasts does so by staying popular and helping his underlings. Either way the concept of an Alpha male is valid you just can't turn it into a caricature and look at it in context.
I'll be sticking with my Sam Fisher and Arthur Morgan mindset in life.
Alphas are glorified male Peacocks, Omegas are Emperor Penguins. Got it.
7:20 Boy that aged poorly. I guess Tate was insulted by being considered ordinary
I disagree that the man needs to be the leader in the house. I agree there does need to be a leader, but it's not always the man. If a woman has the more dominant personality, then it makes more sense for her to be the leader in that relationship.
Obviously, there will aways be exceptions. I would, however, wager that a majority of women that are leading their homes are doing so out of necessity to fill a vacuum left by a feckless husband.
That is so accurate! I am related to two women who lead their homes and they often express wishes that their husband actually stepped up instead of being another one of the kids.
A real man will be more and more like Jesus. He had all power but only ever served others. He had nothing to prove to anyone, unlike these internet clowns overcompensating for their deep-seated fear they aren't good enough. There's no substitute for knowing your purpose and being right with your Creator! You hit the nail on the head with this one!
I would even go as far as to say that a man that has this service mindset will have little trouble at "stumbling" into success and relationships, by the mere virtue of him being the opposite of a ducebag in his usual behaviour.
I think you're absolutely right. When you have a reputation of service and dependability, people seek you out and want to work/be with you
When Jesus walked among us, he did not preach about "manliness", he healed the poor, sick, lame, and taught His disciples how to minister to the people. The example was that NO ONE BUT GOD CAN TRULY SOLVE HUMAN PROBLEMS.
Anyone who seriously calls themselves a Christian will recognize that these notions of manliness or femininity are all ultimately human-derived concepts. A man is still a man even if he was born blind and relies on everyone to live from birth to death.
I'm not an alpha male or a beta male, I'm an egalitarian male, I want people to flower and blossom in my presence. I don't want to control people who are weaker or less intelligent than I am, and I don't want to submit to anyone who thinks they're my superior. It's our duty to ridicule and mock and ostrosize anyone who considers themself an alpha.
Great content. I'm a single father and sometimes get down on myself for being a little overweight, not making more money or not doing great in the dating scene but this video helped to give me some needed perspective. I provide for my son and I'm always here for him. Keep up the good work!
Be PROUD, if you are trying your best and have your Kid's best interest at heart than keep going man don't worry!
I'll second that. You've definitely got your priorities straight if you are putting your son first. That's being a good dad and a good man, and if you're there for him, he'll grow up to be a good man just like you.
Being a Dad that puts his kid first is a super Alpha move.
Well you could make a point that building muscles for yourself isn't something negative either. Looking good is something everyone wants and I see only negative aspects if everything revolves around that. In addition to that being attractive to your partner is a good thing. You should take care of your body beyond basic maintenance.
If you focus on anything, just make sure fitness is a part of it. I dont mean being chiseled like a greek god. I mean general, functional fitness. Be able to get out of bed and lift groceries and walk upstairs without dying. Just f*cking exercise is what i'm saying.
And also, very very important. Actually do things you enjoy. Hobbies and stuff. Dont "hustle" 24/7. You need to actually enjoy life as well, even if its something small like a walk. Just get away from all the hussle and bussle of life sometimes and relax.
Cheese burgers without bread or sauce is a great food that will help you get cut and fit.
I agree with your points alongside andrew. Do what makes ACTUAL SENSE... this was a great message from your video
Why does everyone want everyone else to be just like them? Or they’re living wrong. It’s dumb. Do whatever you want.
most sane conservative ever
I appreciate it!
@@gregowen2022 no problem man.
Its so rare to see a conservative like you that it gives me hope
Um... Tate has many aligations of SA and trafficking. So, "Bad Guy," he is, earning that title.
Worse than bad. When I made the video, I didn't realize he was a pimp.
When you see a man posing with nunchaku as an example of "manly use of weapons" you know he is not what he thinks he is. Nunchaku are a limp, broken stick.
I chuckle every time I think about him telling someone to get drone footage of him doing nunchuck moves on a boat. It’s exactly what a 12 year old thinks is the manliest thing you can do.
There's nothing wrong with alphas. They play a role in society like everyone else. You need all sorts to make a successful society. Alpha males do valuable work in the military, police, fire fighting and in other hard jobs. And, yes, they enjoy combat sports - and many enjoy watching them go at it. All types of people are valid and necessary, even if we don't all get along. Maybe you have to get old to realise this?
"alpha males" aren't your local EMS, they're politicians and CEOs who worship power
Is Captain Picard the ultimate Greg-style alpha male? Discuss!
I can only hope to one day lead as strong and empathetically Jean-Luc.
Though I prefer an Irish/English Breakfast to Earl Grey.
when you brought out the dnd it killed me 🤣
I gotta stay true to my roots!
I'm glad to see you again. Your kindness is very inspiring
@@gregowen2022 dang thanks your videos are legit rlly interesting and educationall
One of the most nuanced and sincere takes of the subject of manliness. Like you said, being alpha means understanding you and your feelings come last.
In life, you only control two things- your actions and your thoughts. Or, to put it another way, you only control what you do and why you do it. This is an interesting look into what you get when your actions are right but your motivations are so completely corrupt. I think we see a lot of "Wrong thing for the right reason" examples but the converse is a cautionary tale as well.
As a woman, the thought of a man leading the family is so absurd to me. Let it go pls
What's absurd about it? Men and physically and psychologically conditioned by their genes to lead, protect, and provide for their families.
When it comes to physical danger, the average man will always beat the average woman. Deluding yourself by creating inefficiency that could get your loved ones killed in a time of crisis helps nobody
Boys, if you're here to simp for your diety Andrew, you should probably watch the video first so you don't continue to prove me right.
This channel is AWESOME!
I expected far more views by now but still, this channel is pure quality. EVERY ASPECT OF IT!
Thanks Greg!
Thank you for the kind words!
2023 is going well so far and I appreciate you watching
Hey. Just wanted to say I discovered this channel recently and I ADORE this content (that VeggieTales reference was top notch)
Something funny about these alpha males is that they refer to the male alpha wolf a lot like he’s a loner when in reality, the leading male wolf of a pack is (especially in the wild) a family man. He’s the father of the pack more often than not. He leads for the well being of the pack and is respected but is also very gentle and good for some bonding and play time.
Aged well considering Tates dirty laundry coming out in trial.
Oh man, both of these idiots have fallen apart since. So glad I got this one out before the arrest so it didn't look like a pile-on.
Ngl, Andrew Tate is a world champion, he will maul Jake Paul. Also, I don't think Jake and Andrew should be compared, Jake Paul cannot be as bad as Andrew Tate.
Anybody who features music by both Keith Sweat and Christopher Williams in his videos, is alright in my book. Keep trucking, Greg.
I appreciate it!
I'll say Alpha people do exists and it's not gender specific, but they're not that, they're leaders sure, but by example and they're teachers and they build you up, I've worked under a few and when you fall short they get disappointed in you and it's so much worse than if they got angry, but also let you know when you're doing well and encourage
I don't know if I'm that person but I strive to be now that I'm training people at my work more and more
Striving to be that is already putting you ahead of most.
The world needs more servant leaders. These online 'alpha' guys might bully people into following them but it never lasts the way real leadership does, which you described
@@gregowen2022 almost as if on que, I just got a message from a girl I've not worked with in a few years, she ran into another girl I worked with on her travels, on reminiscing on where they'd been they talked about how good and fun I was to work with, these ladies had not met before that day, and one thought enough to shoot me a message about it, put a glow in my whole day
I'm only using it to express my point.
A REAL alpha man is the protector, provider and a man that is humble and a servant to God. Humbleness is a great virtue, but unfortunately all these "alpha" men are the opposite of humble.
"Muscles are just a tool to do your job as a man" This is my take here, too. The men following this, a lot of them anyway, are just missing the point that the reason for being tough, aggressive and macho is to protect others. Also, I'm pretty sure Tate is just a shiny distraction from the real brains behind the operation. It's an MLM scheme, too, btw. I saw part of the Vice docu about him, it was weird...
It really is such a self centered worldview. So much of the redpill alpha stuff is. What a sad way to live, just serving yourself constantly
One can be humble but never submissive. Why? You inevitably coexist with morally ambivalent members of humanity who won’t care about your well-being at all despite of what you do. Humility is wisdom. Submissiveness is spinelessness. There is a difference. That is why you must start from taking care of your own health and sanity first and foremost, something that society doesn’t always offer you reliable help with due to the aforementioned moral ambivalence. You are merely expected to give yourself up for the benefit of strangers and familiars alike without always benefitting yourself. There is the ever present risk of you falling further through the cracks. Some succumb to that fate while others such as the examples in this video overcompensate through empty posturing. If as a man you can’t find an adaptive balance to a challenging life you can not effectively serve anybody. It’s all about balance. That is what individual men must truly achieve as a goal to be healthy.
Just my two cents.
Conservative person here also getting very disturbed by the realization that I am equated with people like Andrew Tate in some people's eyes. What do I do???
How much is enough money to make? As much as I'm capable of earning. If I can do billions, I will. The more money I make, the less I'm chasing after it.
But if I need to buy a new house and prices stay insane, well, I'll need to make more.
This channel is showing how the real world is. Most people are not hard left, or hard right. The gray area is where the majority of people live. 🤷🏼♂️
10:22 LOL That hurt me in the cringe muscle so hard. Ah, the memories.
Oh man, I worked in youth ministry for a while and tried so hard to be "relevant". *shudder.
Yeah, it's a pretty hard row to hoe going through all this stuff.
But I think AT has risen up like he has because this woke sickness that has saturated the earth is just intolerable for many of us.
In general, I agree with AT, but I draw the line when thinks start to get extreme.
And yes, service is a valuable activity.
However, you're forgetting the female aspect of all of this, and the toxic femininity that is a career for nealy all women now, and the fact that they only see a man as a superannuation package. But I don't hear you calling them out on that score.
And I really find it offensive that you need to use value judgments to get your point across. That is suspect.
Your problem is, you've got the answers to everyone else's problems, but not your own. Paddle your own canoe dude.
Sorry bud, you're gonna have to learn about balance.
1. that burger looks delicious
2. selflessness is lost a lot of these guys
3. I like your evaluation
4. c#? bro that's so beta 😉
I was working like crazy to constantly better our lives, and then I started working with people far less passionate working less hours and in higher roles than me. I figured out working that much helps me learn, but it didn't help promote me up.
Alpha males who are jacked may make good protectors, but your average soldier, sailor, airman, marine, or law enforcement officer can take an Alpha male down. You don't have to be super strong in order to be a good fighter.
The sad part is every guy who gets hooked into these guys is diverted from Jordan Peterson.
Your Pastor Greg needs to show up in more videos 😂😂😂
I agree with a lot of what you said - particularly about service being one of the true paths to living a fulfilling life.
However, you have to forgive young men for getting swept up in the emptiness of the quest for money and/or the perfect six pack. Learning about the importance of service and how real men behave is something you do mostly through experience, sometimes quite bitter experience- although having a great dad gives you a real head start here. I feel really sad for all those young guys out there who dont have decent fathers to set an example for them.
Christian values seem at odds with today's TikTok world, and sadly a lot of religious leaders have let us down. However, Jesus' central message: "Be a decent human being, not an asshole" still rings true.
Unfortunately, some of what you propose is also more fantasy than reality.
Two out of three ain't bad, oh well
-slacker male
I don't really have anything to say but I want to comment anyway just to let you know I appreciate this video and what you say in it.
I really appreciate it!
OH LORD YES! Quite honestly, I cannot stand how ego-centric these "alpha males" teachings come out as. Their teachings are not the true end goal for a man as these are truly just tools. The money and wealth is not simply for you: they are for your family and, if you own a business, your employees as you give them their pay for hard work. That big house is not for you to simply echo into: it's for your family to thrive and grow.
Personally, I've found working out to not be enough, but it IS a key factor to happiness; not the only one. Learning more about history, philosophy (personally, I prefer Nietzsche, Christ, Aurelius and Musashi thus far), and even how to cook, get back into drawing and art, and better understanding writing.
Basically it doesn't matter what method you seek to better yourself: understand that your goal is to progress farther than you did yeaterday; even if it's only an inch.
I completely agree. If you are focused on improving yourself in areas where you know you are weak, you don't have time to brag about the areas where you are strong. These alpha guys claim they are about personal growth, but it's really only ego growth. It's gross
Being physically fit is the first step.
Keith Sweat earned my sub.
I laughed at the Gita and Durga line. 😂
What fuels all this worship of Alphas in Anglospheric societies is their hyper-willpower/free will approach to life even in their “Christian worldview”. E.g. “I am resilient largely because of my willpower/free will/choice”. “I obey Jesus largely by my willpower/free will/choice (rather than God’s grace MAKES ME want to obey Him)”. “Jesus can only transform my heart to the extent of which I exercise my willpower to ‘allow’ Him”. While the existence of the moral freewill remains highly controversial even amongst Christians, a hyper-emphasis on it will eventually make you chase after “alpha-hood” as a way to deceive yourself into believing that you are “resilient enough” to whip out the willpower/free will whether it is to be a “tougher” person or to be a “better follower of Jesus”. On rainy days when life hits hard enough that willpower is virtually nil, hyper freewillers will be the first to feel unworthy of God’s perfect love that casts out fear thus constantly trapped to prove oneself to be seen as a “resilient Alpha” as well as sucking up to “resilient Alphas” out of fear that “my willpower/free will/choice” is not resilient enough.
You’ve conflated your job as a father with every man’s job as a man.
1. Be an expendable servant
2. Be a confident leader
3. Be an expendable servant
Those aren’t what a “man” needs to be. That’s what YOU need to be, as a person who volunteered to take on seven burdens, with no ethical recourse to relieve yourself of those burdens. I have not volunteered to manage such a burden, thus my “job” as a man is simply not to interfere.
Join the 21st century, won’t you?
Sure, not every man is going to be a father, though I think "expendable servant" is silly and sounds bitter.
For research purposes, since I haven't had a childless perspective for quite some time, what would you say a man's job is if he is not a husband or father? There are plenty of men who aren't either, what should they be doing?
Yes, the Greek alphabet burns got my like.
Still think Tate isn't a sexist POS? I agree with everything else you've said on your channel; just curious
I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, but no. With the videos that have been leaked, it's clear he's a literal pimp or is training people to be pimps. If the charges are true, I want an entire library thrown at him
@@gregowen2022 I watched an interview that Stephan Molyneux did with Andrew's brother Tristan where he mentioned that one of their financial ventures was a 'Web Cam' site...although not illegal on the surface, knowing this immediately lessened Tate in my view...this "empowering" of women and their sexuality is morally reprehensible.
Real alpha's don't need to scream "I'm an alpha" you know an alpha when you see it.
I've observed in the "TV reaction youtube sphere" when you remove the politics they all react the same way to an alpha male. The best example I can give is all the Band of Brothers reaction.
There is a scene in Band of Brothers Episode 8 where all the reactors have the same reaction and at the end all the reactors know who is the alpha of the group. I'll risk being called a sexist by saying you could almost see the female reactors internal dialogue "I want to have this mans babies" and the male reactors sitting next to them aren't even jealous. That is an alpha male.
Yes! There is a rap song that states “if you know it, you don’t speak it. If you speak it, you don’t know it”
Oh and as a female, you’re assessment wasn’t sexist at all😊
Just found your channel yesterday but you’ve earned my subscription. I joke with my girlfriend about being that kind of man, but it’s pretty obvious I’m joking because I’m 5’6, fat and physically limited because of a military injury. I can’t stand these “gurus,” or the people who take them seriously.
I agree, these superficial guys are the absolute worst, and totally miss the point of manhood. I really appreciate you subscribing!
I understand where you're coming from, Old Fruit, but I think you're looking at this too deeply. If these 2 morons want to knock seven shades of sh*t out of each other... let 'em. England's (yes, I'm English) Freddy Flintoff did something similar a few years ago and he got it out of his system, and now he's over it. Watch current episodes of Top Gear to see how far.
Normally I would just let idiots be idiots. My concern is that our young men are buying into this garbage. As you say, hopefully they'll get it out and grow up. Sooner rather than later, I hope.
I had to look up old fruit. In all the masterpiece theater my wife has watched, I hadn't ever heard that one!
Hehehe..."brofessors"...nice.
Go ahead and listen to Fincher-Norton on the Fight Club commentary or Michael Lewis talking about the "Liar's Poker" reaction, and you'll see how poor the perspective of most young men is and has been.
Also, "Alpha Male" is a completely false premise generated by idiots who "studied" a bunch of captive wolves who were just pissed about being in cages and fought like wild animals in cages...you know, due to the fact that they were WILD ANIMALS WHO WERE TRAPPED IN CAGES.
The "alphas" in wild wolf packs are just the mommies and the daddies...you know, because the ones who've already survived to adulthood and had offspring are decent enough candidates for the ones you'd want to train others to do same.
I liked your channel until you made this video L vid.
I get it, I'm not for everyone, but thanks for giving the videos a chance
Great speech at the end!
Thank you!
Gentlemen I'm with you on most things that I have been listening to on this channel since I discovered it about 3 hours ago (listening while working so thank you for helping me get through all this work by the way🙏), but honestly having lived the "be a good man thing", "serve your family & broader community", & all that, honestly this is where I recoil because I don't agree. I'm 34 now, spent most of my life thinking that this worldview of a man, his place & role in society is the truth. I actually enjoyed that selfless life where you made the decision to not focus on yourself especially when it mattered. So far as I can tell in my own experience (other ppl might have had a different experience), your worth to your family & society ends up mostly being measured by your bank balance. All the being a good man, supportive & loving partner, caring, being a dedicated person in your family & a servant in your community (job, neighborhood, church) eventually get weighted against how nice your car is, how much you earn & what nice things you can do for the people around you, not how loving, caring, supportive you are. That is my experience & as such, I can totally get why these guys have just gone to the extreme because at least when you are at their level you don't burn yourself living up to an ideal. You don't even have to try because your value, though measured in a very superficial way is at least unquestioned as opposed to the man who tries & keeps failing especially by modern society's standards where men have boxes to tick, but the ladies......,you know; she's perfect exactly as she is.
Personally, I have no interest in having multiple women wake up in bed as I lift weights & kick things on my luxury boat 😅. Sorry but that is just weird to me coz casual sex with ppl I don't know every other night never seems like a good idea whether ur him or her ,& seems like waaaaaay too much work😓.
That said, the good man thing, sorry I don't agree.
Why can't I like this video again? RUclips, you've failed me!
Imitate Jesus Christ, and you will see your life change in unexplainable ways. He knew He had 1 day left on Earth before His death(and eventual resurrection), and what did He do? He washed feet. He served.
That is the absolute truth. Service is the solution to so many problems
@@gregowen2022 Are you by any chance Christian? A lot of your videos give off the "Christian, but talking about secular subjects through a secular lense" vibes.
@@Iliadic yes I am and that's the lens I'm usually shooting for. When appropriate, I like to bring in a theological angle, but since I'm usually doing entertainment commentary, it isn't needed
Is a social, political and religious conservative. I agree entirely. These alpha male guys are the worst.
The reason you need to be strong. There’s a reason you need to earn money. The reason you need to strive is so that you can take care of your family.
That Andrew Tate segment kind of aged like fine milk, wouldn't you say?
Sadly, yes. I try not to be overly negative and I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt instead of being just another Tate hater, but holy shit I cut him way too much slack.
Great points! Also how do you have so few subs
Thank you so much for watching!
Just got started a few months ago and RUclips likes to see if you can walk before they let you run.
This advice is more useful than any of the crap that's being spoken by the alpha guys.
Thanks for making this we all need to hear this especially in todays time.
EXCELLENT vidéo.
New subscriber. Love the BroForce references.
Great video! Seeing the forest through the trees Greg.
Bookmarking this vid for later watching. Perhaps several times. It is good motivation! Thank you.
I appreciate it!
Hopefully we regular men can create distance from the internet weirdos
HA! You nailed the youth pastor down! The variety I'm used to wears those blazers with the elbow pads and a dress shirt that's unbuttoned at the top with no necktie! Jeans sometimes and really shiny shoes! XD
Hahaha, gotta stay relevant! My old pastor was of the skinny jeans era. Glad that's over, lol
5:39 is the reason I followed you. Teddy P and a Smashburger is the pinnacle of greatness!
Yes, Teddy magic still works!
I'm really glad that I clicked on your 'Velma' video, your channel seems to offer a lot of good content with commentary that I find interesting and enlightening...with the Christian perspective. I've been aware of Tate for 2-3 years now and found him to be a very intelligent and insightful young man...and then the 'Sales pitch' came, which was very off putting, but I simply ignored it as I thought it to be false bravado, and then last year co-workers started asking me if I knew of "this guy Tate", the type of guys who I would not recommend any young man emulate, and then it all exploded. Yeah, Tate had blossomed into a late night Hype TV Salesman, that was so obviously manufactured that I couldn't take him seriously anymore...Pride goeth before the fall.
I'm glad you clicked, too!
What's sad about Tate is that he is apparently a smart guy, but his insane ego and need for attention turned that intelligence to terrible purpose. Pride indeed gets them every time
"Brofessors". This term deserves to be nailed!
"As a man it is your job to-" :s :s :s
This is also kinda why when people complain about "toxic masculinity" I usually get kinda annoyed. Because a lot of actions and behaviors labeled as toxic masculinity aren't masculine in the slightest.
Masculine behavior and actions are things done in service of others whether that be protective or providing, this a toxic act of masculinity would be something like being overly protective of someone, forcing materials on them when they don't want it, things like that.
Things like taking advantage of people, sexual or otherwise, assaulting people, and so on aren't masculine at all, they're the opposite of masculine, they're weak little bitch behaviors that small people use to feel big.
Tho, in saying that, I do have to concede that "man-splaining" technically counts as toxic masculinity, as it's a man trying to impart wisdom without being asked, giving resources without a request, if that makes any sense.
I completely agree. When that term started, it was "masculine activities that have been perverted to the point of being toxic" and now it's used as "masculine = toxic".
Yeaaah, tho I suppose you could say that about a lot of phrases now, might have started off meaning one thing, and that thing might have been something that we needed to address, but they've been taken by a political group or side and are used to mean something completely different. What's really weird is when both sides do it and nothing makes sense anymore.