Personally I don't think the Vice President should require a ramp freeze. I mean if anything just freeze the part of the airport the movement is occurring on. An airport the size of Sky Harbor there's more than enough room for the VIP and regular commercial and GA traffic.
AXEL GAMING when AF1or 2 , fly, there is always priority, and a lot of security. Even at KJFK! The airspace around the airport is sterile, often from 30 minutes before arrival to 30 minutes after departure.
LT81baller Sky Harbor is not that Big!, The two parallels were the original runways. Until, they added the north runway. The arpt has been refurbished, but is not in the same league as KDEN, KDFW or KATL.
Ruben Villanueva oh okay lol it just seems huge from flying into it so many times. But yeah ATL is a monster. I kinda got lost for a sec on my layover there
This happened anytime any of the VIP aircraft were at the airport I worked at. It's a pretty busy AA hub with about 700 flights a day and this would slow things down for a while. Airport operations would also not let any ground vehicle traffic move either. FLY NAVY!!!
Kinda funny how the current ATIS information was Mike so Air Force Two said "Air Force Two with Mike"... They had Mike Pence onboard so they definitely had Mike.
It means Pence is praying that the Big Metal Bird will be granted lift by his god and thereby Defy All Natural Laws. I don't know why that VP Pence doesn't travel by horse buggy. It'd be more in keeping with his world view.
It is standard procedure that when Air Force One, or AF2, (VIP), a freeze on ground movement and landings are put in effect. Most pilots know that, and accept it. No big deal.
I understand flight crews are busy with checklists, but I find it interesting that so many ask the same question on the same frequency. Does no one pay any attention to the other traffic on the channel...especially when they are sitting and waiting?
We once delayed AF2 because of engine stall on the runway with a Cessna about 20 years ago ... Don't know if there were any VIPs in it at the time though
DV stands for Distinguished Visitor. Anyway, the pilot said it was VIP requirements which may be toilet, seats, seatbelts, people stood up or cabin not prepared in general.
So is Phoenix Ground prohibited from disclosing the callsign of Air Force 2? I’d assume it’s a security risk for people listening in but I’m not entirely sure.
No, they are not prohibited from saying it. The fact that they are talking ~on ground, and that the pilots, who should be monitoring that after they get their clearance, need to learn to shut up and listen. 6 planes called back to back, and all on the same freq, asking the same thing, meaning they were not paying attention to the radio calls. Airline pilots have a flow, and they are very single task minded. Do A then do B, and B doesn't even exist in the world until they get to it, so they are on autopilot, reading check lists, and literally not paying attention to the world around them till it's time, and that is usually what results in crashes, or other mishaps, because they can't process something happening out of order, till the take their brains out of neutral, and start thinking again, and it's dangerous.
"Attention all productive people, we have your government masters on the move, so you all sit still until we tell you you can go about your business. Your masters will get going when they're dang good and ready, so don't protest." On the plus side, whoever was on board probably wasn't getting a haircut, Bubba Clinton style.
The ground freeze is rule at recommendation of top investigators who find risk of incident including runway incursion too great a probability for heads of state. We don't just hire and replace such people. It's called protecting the democratic process and elected leaders. Has nothing to do with "we cut the line" ... That's just your simpleton mind. And while you're at it, looking up the word "democratic," Google "worst aviation crash in history" -may help with context.
@@michael4506 Funny how some world capitals with a single runway airport can do without the freeze. The president just boards the plane at a VIP terminal (yes, admittedly they have those) but once he or she is airside and in their plane, its taxiing may be expedited for priority, but there is no stopping the entire airport, including arrivals (!!).
What a difference after listening to CANFORCE1 with the Canadian President on board, nobody inconvenienced, all calm. No TFR at any point. All he got was a police car following the plane after landing.
I thought runways were named for their magnetic heading with accuracy to tens only. Why are runways 7 and 8 parallel? Shouldn't they be headings 070 and 080?
Right but shouldn't they be 10 degrees off? I was under the impression that 8 is heading 080 and the 2 south one are 070. Is it just a case of the charts being simplified?
Be advised, parallel runways can be named differently to differentiate them in different parts of the airport. The best example for this is to take a look at the KORD diagram where we have 5 parallel runways.
Why based on magnetic north when magnetic north changes? The Mount Diablo base meridian currently (i think) is 19°...but 25 years ago it was 14°. Why not true north?
I was living in Portland when then-president Bill Clinton flew in on Air Force One I lived just over a mile from the Portland airport the designation that they used instead of Air Force One I will not say here or anywhere I got to see Air Force One as it flew over my house and if you don't think that something at 500 feet I doubt very much if anyone would ever get that close to Air Force One as I did thank you for posting this video and I chuckled when the pilot said it's my mom😇
Only in the US xD some countrys don't even have Special planes and in my country they don't Care if the President is in a plane. No special treatment xD
Actually thats incorrect. Take the UK as an example, the Queen only has a private helicopter but for all overseas trips requiring an aircraft to be used the Queen and/or UK government would either charter or fly on scheduled British Airways flights. It was only in 2016 that the Queen and UK government have gotten a refitted RAF Voyager aircraft and the only reason they got it was because its cheaper for them to operate one aircraft than to charter or book seats on scheduled flights. And despite now having a refitted Voyager aircraft, it will still peform its primary duties as an airtanker. So no not all developed countries have dedicated aircraft for their VIPs and go crazy on restrictions like the US does.
How about an information November? Might have prevented a bunch of confusion and comms with ATC. Not sure if there is some security issue but anyone listening would have figured it out anyway. Didn't have to issue it until the last minute.
Ground still wants to know who is going to be ready to go when they lift the ground freeze. That's why they keep letting them call in, every time they tell a plane to hold they put it on their list of awaiting departures. Now the ground crews being systematically unaware of the ground freeze (by still attempting to push back) is a little less excusable.
I don't normally point out the minor mistakes in transcribing. But the first delay message is "shouldn't be more than 15 minutes" which is sort of the opposite to what you wrote with "certainly more than 15 minutes"
Since security is the issue, it would be prudent for these people to use military bases exclusively. Bases are everywhere, security is better and normal aircraft wouldn't be there.
Sadly this would still would happen anyways as they stop every airport in the area. Example late 90's in San Diego Clinton was at the military base but they still stopped every other airport that day. Flew in to DCA a few years ago and they stopped all traffic as we had to hold pattern outside the area when MX1 took off from the White House.
they could at least give permission to taxi for other aircrafts. This freeze is nonsense really. What kind of danger they expect from taxiing psgr airplane? Incase of any emergency all forces and fire fighters can reach to AF2 in minutes anyway. What is the logic in it? To make them feel like more VIP?
Airforce 2 is wanna be airforce 1. Everybody questioning their movement. On the other handb when airforce 1 call sign is said on radio, everyone stops talking.
There's probably a worry about a bad actor deciding to take off and then immediately turn and crash into the VP's plane. Better to hold everyone in place so there are no mistakes made and any bad actors stand out by continuing to move.
there are several errors around 1:48 it should say it shouldn't be more the 15 minutes not certainly then it should be who is holding us up not set us up pls correct
I get it, but still it's highly inconsiderate to delay multiple planes, hundreds of people. connections, thousands of families affected, baggage that don't reach their destinations, and who knows how many other consequences, just for the paranoia of security. Come on !
FreeinTX i highly agree with you. It is a shame that the general public does not understand the importance of the security required, when AF1 or Af2 are involved. I had to control AF1 once, departed, had a hold on all landings, had to stack my arrivals, then, vector some chase planes to follow the AF1 flight. Slows things down a bit, but quickly resolves itself.
Still would have happened anyways. Even when they use military bases they stop traffic at local airports. I ran into this twice once in the 90's and once a couple of years ago.
This isn't a "make way VIP we cut the line" thing. The ground freeze rule comes at recommendation of top investigators who, after exhaustive research, found the risk of incident (including runway incursion) too great a probability for heads of state to face on a daily basis. We don't just hire and replace elected leaders. It's called protecting the democratic process. Google "worst aviation crash in history" -may help with context.
I suggest you try it sometime. Perhaps even fly your plane in while AF1 is around. Even better to ignore the call on guard "do you see the F16 to your left" - because then the only thing to go away quickly would be you.
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Thanks to everyone who voted on Twitter for this video. *Let me know what you think about these kind of operations at civil airports.*
VASAviation - in my opinion, they should operate as normal. Traffic is normal. Like JFK, there is no priority. Just my opinion on it, don't get mad
Personally I don't think the Vice President should require a ramp freeze. I mean if anything just freeze the part of the airport the movement is occurring on. An airport the size of Sky Harbor there's more than enough room for the VIP and regular commercial and GA traffic.
AXEL GAMING when AF1or 2 , fly, there is always priority, and a lot of security. Even at KJFK! The airspace around the airport is sterile, often from 30 minutes before arrival to 30 minutes after departure.
LT81baller Sky Harbor is not that Big!, The two parallels were the original runways. Until, they added the north runway. The arpt has been refurbished, but is not in the same league as KDEN, KDFW or KATL.
Ruben Villanueva oh okay lol it just seems huge from flying into it so many times. But yeah ATL is a monster. I kinda got lost for a sec on my layover there
That ground controller must have been like “Oh my gosh, these pilots! 😂”
"your mom" wins 😂😂😂😂😂
Kenneth Liou • I know, right! But having to pee ranks right up there!
In my mind, I like to imagine the pilot who says "Me!" was the FO of Air Force Two
-Who is it?
-Oprah
-Pence
-Your mom
-Me!
LOL
That's some shit that would happen in an airforceproud95 video lmao
lol, totally. Although it would be an Air Force One, not Two #FSXSteamEdition
Yea I'm actually surprised they said that haha
I had to check I wasn't watching ATC memes
AF 2 is used for the VP.
“I got to pee” had me laughing! Awesome pilot :P
I gotta pee
"Your mom"
You sure this is real ATC and not FSX Steam Edition?
yes
"Switch to my frequency on 133.7", definitely Steam Edition.
This happened anytime any of the VIP aircraft were at the airport I worked at. It's a pretty busy AA hub with about 700 flights a day and this would slow things down for a while. Airport operations would also not let any ground vehicle traffic move either. FLY NAVY!!!
Must be Air force.
4:46 the anonymity of radio calls allows this haha
8:11 I died when I heard "your mom"
Thank you SO MUCH for this!!! I’ve NEVER heard AF2 on ATC
7:54 was the best part of this whole thing!! I actually laughed out loud, for the first time, watching these videos.
8:06 start of the best conversation in all of aviation history.
Pilots joke around too hahaha
Kinda funny how the current ATIS information was Mike so Air Force Two said "Air Force Two with Mike"... They had Mike Pence onboard so they definitely had Mike.
"yeah whats the reason for this hold up?"
"air force 2 ready to taxi"
"oh"
Ground and tower are two different frequencies that are both added onto this video but would not be able to hear each other at the time.
@4:32 Ground movement is not allowed on both sides --> Ground movement's allowed on the south side @5:18 Catch up the queue-->Got you in the queue
VIP movement ? Is that code for Vice President in the shitter having a "movement", so they can't take off ?
gatekeeper65 you must be a high school graduate!
It means Pence is praying that the Big Metal Bird will be granted lift by his god and thereby Defy All Natural Laws. I don't know why that VP Pence doesn't travel by horse buggy. It'd be more in keeping with his world view.
I wonder if there are any women except his wife on the plane...
It is standard procedure that when Air Force One, or AF2, (VIP), a freeze on ground movement and landings are put in effect. Most pilots know that, and accept it. No big deal.
yep, but delays can get annoying... + time required to start the 🚂 s back up again... or push out/taxi before the TRF goes into effect
ATC: It is a VIP
P1: Who is it then?
P2: Your mom!
LMAO
i gotta pee LUL haha 4:33
I think at 1:41, "Shouldn't be more than 15 minutes" was mistranscribed as "Certainly more than 15 minutes".
At 0:44 American 532 sounds like Steveokinevo.
Young ADV exactly what I was thinking
I understand flight crews are busy with checklists, but I find it interesting that so many ask the same question on the same frequency. Does no one pay any attention to the other traffic on the channel...especially when they are sitting and waiting?
They might have been on the ramp or clearance frequency when ground said the reason for the freeze the first couple of times.
We once delayed AF2 because of engine stall on the runway with a Cessna about 20 years ago ...
Don't know if there were any VIPs in it at the time though
hehe, what goes around comes around.
If it was using the call sign "Air Force 2", then the VP was on the plane.
The people on Skywest could have driven to Flagstaff quicker
those answers for 7:58... lol oh pilots.
"I gotta pee" :D
Best parts 3:40, 4:45, 5:25, 8:00
and 8:16 after the discussion at 8:00 🤣🤣🤣
8:17 yeah, everybody outbound, it's time to speak ELITE!
RIP the passengers they are delayed by a mean Air Force 2
4:46 “I gotta pee” LMAO!!
I wonder how long it took to get all of the delayed aircraft taken care of?
What do DV requiremets are?
Ricardo Salazar following this as well
DV stands for Distinguished Visitor. Anyway, the pilot said it was VIP requirements which may be toilet, seats, seatbelts, people stood up or cabin not prepared in general.
Thank you, love your videos! Saludos amigo :)
Ricardo Salazar
DV = Damn VIPs
@@VASAviation Thanks I couldn't find it
7:44 :D
So is Phoenix Ground prohibited from disclosing the callsign of Air Force 2? I’d assume it’s a security risk for people listening in but I’m not entirely sure.
No, they are not prohibited from saying it. The fact that they are talking ~on ground, and that the pilots, who should be monitoring that after they get their clearance, need to learn to shut up and listen. 6 planes called back to back, and all on the same freq, asking the same thing, meaning they were not paying attention to the radio calls. Airline pilots have a flow, and they are very single task minded. Do A then do B, and B doesn't even exist in the world until they get to it, so they are on autopilot, reading check lists, and literally not paying attention to the world around them till it's time, and that is usually what results in crashes, or other mishaps, because they can't process something happening out of order, till the take their brains out of neutral, and start thinking again, and it's dangerous.
6:00 was there an American 1899 and Delta 1899 or did the controller mix up companies?
He mixed them up.
Cheers
Im a little confused when they talk about i.e. Papa and november but i see none of the ways on the map markes like that
Isn't the taxiway marked with letters a-z so when they are queuing up or entering / exiting the taxiway they use these letters B=Bravo P=Papa etc
What if an emergency happens!? Like, if a passenger has a heart attack, are all the ambulances frozen as well?
I have indeed seen it happen due to a presidential convoy
Gotta love the humor as the airforce 2 takes off
hahahaahahha "your mom"
1:44 "It shouldn't be more than 15 minutes."
"Attention all productive people, we have your government masters on the move, so you all sit still until we tell you you can go about your business. Your masters will get going when they're dang good and ready, so don't protest." On the plus side, whoever was on board probably wasn't getting a haircut, Bubba Clinton style.
The ground freeze is rule at recommendation of top investigators who find risk of incident including runway incursion too great a probability for heads of state. We don't just hire and replace such people. It's called protecting the democratic process and elected leaders. Has nothing to do with "we cut the line" ... That's just your simpleton mind. And while you're at it, looking up the word "democratic," Google "worst aviation crash in history" -may help with context.
May your chains rest lightly upon you.
@@michael4506 Funny how some world capitals with a single runway airport can do without the freeze. The president just boards the plane at a VIP terminal (yes, admittedly they have those) but once he or she is airside and in their plane, its taxiing may be expedited for priority, but there is no stopping the entire airport, including arrivals (!!).
I'm not seeing any of the taxiways that are being said on the radio on the map? I'm very confused...
I assume there's more to the airport than is being displayed.
Best part 8:05
What a difference after listening to CANFORCE1 with the Canadian President on board, nobody inconvenienced, all calm. No TFR at any point. All he got was a police car following the plane after landing.
because nobody is after canada
Uhhhhh, yeah, we don’t HAVE a president! 😂😂
I thought runways were named for their magnetic heading with accuracy to tens only. Why are runways 7 and 8 parallel? Shouldn't they be headings 070 and 080?
7/25 L and 7/25 R are parallel. 8/26 is on the North side of the airport and is not parallel with the 2 on the South side.
They are. 7L and 7R are the parallel runways at the bottom of the airport diagram. 08 is at the top and is not a parallel.
Right but shouldn't they be 10 degrees off? I was under the impression that 8 is heading 080 and the 2 south one are 070. Is it just a case of the charts being simplified?
Be advised, parallel runways can be named differently to differentiate them in different parts of the airport. The best example for this is to take a look at the KORD diagram where we have 5 parallel runways.
Why based on magnetic north when magnetic north changes? The Mount Diablo base meridian currently (i think) is 19°...but 25 years ago it was 14°. Why not true north?
I was living in Portland when then-president Bill Clinton flew in on Air Force One I lived just over a mile from the Portland airport the designation that they used instead of Air Force One I will not say here or anywhere I got to see Air Force One as it flew over my house and if you don't think that something at 500 feet I doubt very much if anyone would ever get that close to Air Force One as I did thank you for posting this video and I chuckled when the pilot said it's my mom😇
omg your mom? Seriously pilots?😂😂😂
Only in the US xD some countrys don't even have Special planes and in my country they don't Care if the President is in a plane. No special treatment xD
X Pilot oh no my country has special planes (germany). The some got lost ;)
I actually am agreeing to that even though I live in the US. Like JFK, you don't have priority at all.
Actually thats incorrect. Take the UK as an example, the Queen only has a private helicopter but for all overseas trips requiring an aircraft to be used the Queen and/or UK government would either charter or fly on scheduled British Airways flights.
It was only in 2016 that the Queen and UK government have gotten a refitted RAF Voyager aircraft and the only reason they got it was because its cheaper for them to operate one aircraft than to charter or book seats on scheduled flights.
And despite now having a refitted Voyager aircraft, it will still peform its primary duties as an airtanker. So no not all developed countries have dedicated aircraft for their VIPs and go crazy on restrictions like the US does.
Because no one cares about your pres. No great loss
lu schmiedt your president is not that important. POTUS safety is a major concern.
How about an information November? Might have prevented a bunch of confusion and comms with ATC. Not sure if there is some security issue but anyone listening would have figured it out anyway. Didn't have to issue it until the last minute.
Ground still wants to know who is going to be ready to go when they lift the ground freeze. That's why they keep letting them call in, every time they tell a plane to hold they put it on their list of awaiting departures. Now the ground crews being systematically unaware of the ground freeze (by still attempting to push back) is a little less excusable.
I don't normally point out the minor mistakes in transcribing. But the first delay message is "shouldn't be more than 15 minutes" which is sort of the opposite to what you wrote with "certainly more than 15 minutes"
1:42 is "shouldn't be more than 15 minutes", not "certainly more than 15 minutes".
I gotta pee....LOL!!
lol this was hilarious!!!
I was on AA 1899 and missed y connection in Charlotte that day.
7:56-8:15 CX
short question
how i can join the team
"Your mom" 🤣
I gotta pee hahahahaha
Since security is the issue, it would be prudent for these people to use military bases exclusively.
Bases are everywhere, security is better and normal aircraft wouldn't be there.
Sadly this would still would happen anyways as they stop every airport in the area. Example late 90's in San Diego Clinton was at the military base but they still stopped every other airport that day. Flew in to DCA a few years ago and they stopped all traffic as we had to hold pattern outside the area when MX1 took off from the White House.
"I got pee."
😂😂😂😂😂 your mom
1:42 "Shouldn't be" not "Certainly"
There is a permanent TFR over pense's house in Indianapolis. All the pilots are pissed off cause they have to fly around it like a pile of cow dung.
The transcripion isn't too accurate
8:08✌🤣
they could at least give permission to taxi for other aircrafts. This freeze is nonsense really. What kind of danger they expect from taxiing psgr airplane? Incase of any emergency all forces and fire fighters can reach to AF2 in minutes anyway. What is the logic in it? To make them feel like more VIP?
Airforce 2 is wanna be airforce 1. Everybody questioning their movement. On the other handb when airforce 1 call sign is said on radio, everyone stops talking.
At 4:47 I gotta pee!! 🤦♀️
This seems really unnecessary to me. Stopping aircraft moving on the other side of the airport for one aircraft just a bit over the top
There's probably a worry about a bad actor deciding to take off and then immediately turn and crash into the VP's plane. Better to hold everyone in place so there are no mistakes made and any bad actors stand out by continuing to move.
That atc could have just told everyone there’s vip movement
essel23fly , I don't know. Pilots are sort of supposedly monitoring various frequencies and some of them should have picked up on the situation.
Ah, shame on them! This a C-32, not a 757! ;)
8:11 your mom is VIP
there are several errors around 1:48 it should say it shouldn't be more the 15 minutes not certainly then it should be who is holding us up not set us up pls correct
Gotta wait for Pence to finish his prayer circle before takeoff
I get it, but still it's highly inconsiderate to delay multiple planes, hundreds of people. connections, thousands of families affected, baggage that don't reach their destinations, and who knows how many other consequences, just for the paranoia of security. Come on !
I wonder how other planes can interfere with "VIP planes"... But yeah, it's just terrible
i'd be fucking livid
FreeinTX i highly agree with you. It is a shame that the general public does not understand the importance of the security required, when AF1 or Af2 are involved. I had to control AF1 once, departed, had a hold on all landings, had to stack my arrivals, then, vector some chase planes to follow the AF1 flight. Slows things down a bit, but quickly resolves itself.
No one and i mean no one would give a shit how you would feel. Clown
the only way you would know that it happend would be if you were the captain or copilot
And I'm sure you would have been honored to wait for Obama. Get over it.
j g airforce 2 would not be carrying the pres, airforce one is always the call sign of the plane the pres is in
Everyone please wait for the old man to get settled in.
Don Wald I don't think pence is old enough to be considered the old man yet
Guessing most of US pilots voted Democrats..... Good for you!
OmegaFlightmaster most competent people vote Rep so I doubt it.
AF1 and AF2 etc should not land at airports that have regular scheduled flights.
Still would have happened anyways. Even when they use military bases they stop traffic at local airports. I ran into this twice once in the 90's and once a couple of years ago.
In my opinion, Air France pilots' English skills are worst only second to the Chinese pilots'
I think you commented in the wrong video.
Mike Pence had to take a poop before takeoff
This isn't a "make way VIP we cut the line" thing. The ground freeze rule comes at recommendation of top investigators who, after exhaustive research, found the risk of incident (including runway incursion) too great a probability for heads of state to face on a daily basis. We don't just hire and replace elected leaders. It's called protecting the democratic process. Google "worst aviation crash in history" -may help with context.
Michael Robert uuh, no. The worst crash in aviation history's got nothing to do with it.
If all pilots and all other vehicles refused to follow ground freze for vip movement, this would go away quickly
I suggest you try it sometime. Perhaps even fly your plane in while AF1 is around. Even better to ignore the call on guard "do you see the F16 to your left" - because then the only thing to go away quickly would be you.
Then there would be a ATC video/audio of you making a poor life decision.
I have a number for you to call
Nice to hold up all the paying passengers while Q-tip head flies for free and V.I.P. I know where I'd like to pee...
A ton of huge mistakes this episode. You say the tower says several things that he certainly didnt say. Politically driven?
I gotta pee