Drive and discussion of a friends car. What do you think about the Fiero GT? How would you compare it to the Mr2 or CRX? Share your thoughts on this great car!!!
I have owned a '88 Fiero Formula since the summer after I graduated ('96). 206,000 miles later the car still puts a smile on my face every time I drive it. So fun!
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They only made the Formulas in '88, so you got a fairly rare Fiero. Hold on to that puppy. I think any 88 Fiero would be worth holding on to, to be honest.
@@goodbonezz1289 slow. Work a lot. Got some rust cleaned up. Cleaned the gas tank out. Next week gonna fix the right headlight. Motor on it is dead I think. Still need to drop the engine in and do some tuning but will be done around Aug I think.
My dad had one of these in '89. Red with black wheels. Looked great! When I'd drive it on the weekends I'd tell all the girls it was a Porsche . . . and they believed me. I've always thought about buying one as a grown up. Probably missed the boat on that though.
Pontiac had big plans with the 2nd gen Fiero. And the GM brass was afraid of that because they didn't wanted their golden boy the Corvette, which was double the price, embarrassed. On top of that Pontiac made the "mistake" to tun a V8 mule on the Corvette's test track and beat the Vette's record. Which sealed the Fiero's fate.
Even after the V8 mule, Pontiac also were also developing their own 4 valve turbo 3.9 V6 in collaboration with Porsche which also was placed in a running mule....236hp, and just like the V8 mule, it made the Vette of the time look like a joke. Once they caught wind of it, GM brass ordered Pontiac to cease the project.
i own an 88 t top gt. its an automatic , i got it for t top option which is very rare. i was surprised at how much fun it was with an automatic. yes the 5 speed is more fun but the automatic is still a blast even with only 3 speeds. i am looking for a t top with a 5 speed though.
Thank you for this great video, finally a intelligent review! I have a stock 87 GT. Just one thing I want to say: the fact that it only has 140 hp, but can put such a massive smile on your face is a testament to the car being one hell of a awesome sports car. I have owned my share of fast high HP sports cars, and still nothing is as big of a blast to drive as my 87 GT.
I’ve owned my 1987 Fiero 4 cylinder automatic for 35 years now. It looks even better now than when I purchased it. The car wasn’t meant to be a fast race car….I knew that when purchasing it from the dealership. What captured my heart was it’s look. This was a head turner back then and even more so today. It stands out as unique among everything on the road currently. This is a car to enjoy…moving along slowly or even just parked. It’s Art on wheels.
Yeah, I do have one. It's a late run red, '86 GT with all the '87 up grades, like the wheels and Getrag 5-spd transmission, etc. It was in pristine stock shape, that I've only improved over the last 13+ years. I did a 3.4 swap, which made it so I could keep up and/or pass other traffic safely. Drove it that way for four years and did a 3800sc swap, which turned it into what I call my quasi super car, and it lives up to it. So, it was fun to drive when I bought it, a whole lot more fun with the 3.4, but now it's a blast to drive with 300+hp behind me, and very fast. I love my '86 Fiero GT more than ever. It's a rolling car show to the public and they love it too. Almost forgot, all the interior has been renewed and upgraded. I paid $3500 for it and put in $2500 more in upgrades. And for an investment of $6000, looks better and will out run most cars that cost four times that amount. I'd say, yes...it's a great investment.
I owned a 1988 GT. Loved that car, sadly I was rear ended and it was totaled. I drove the car several times from West Virginia to Florida. Wish I still had it. Fun car.
I Just bought an 88 GT like yours, I fell in love from Italy!👍 Great video fiero Is all about how she makes you feel, the look, the sound, the connection
That's cool AF that you're Italian and enjoy one of our cars that's inspired by the cars of your country!!! I own an red 86 GT, and many ppl here (who aren't car ppl) unironically think she's an old Ferrari 😂
I bought an 88 Formula from a fella in Nebraska last spring. Just put 20K on the odometer. Absolutely love it. Also found another 88 GT in West Palm beach a few months ago. Love both of them.
I love this car so much- your video really brought back memories- I’ve owned a 1987 GT and a couple of years ago I got a 1986 SE… but the 1988 is the one to have
I currently have an 86 GT with the 4 spd manual, I adore it. Pure 80s vibes, I love the exhaust note and the intake note.. and it's just a beautiful loveable unique vehicle. I took her to my local Cars and Coffee last weekend and everyone loved her.... curiously, especially the C8 guys😅 You're definitely right about that you don't own one of these because they're the fastest thing ever (they're very not), but they're decently quick enough for some fun. For me it's just the experience, an 80s trip.
The 88 was also the first and only with electric power steering, so I’m not sure why this car doesn’t have it. Also the five speed didn’t come out until the 87 model. 😮 Yes, I do have one, an 86.5 with only 41K original mile and rear 5 speed for it’s time. I guess they ran out of 4 speeds when the built mine. 😊
They pulled that option from production, sadly.I bought a brand new 88 GT in late 87. I still have it today.
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@@mr.2cents.846 I never seen a single one with power steering, at least not from the factory. If a few did get produced, that would be a really rare collector Fiero. I always found it odd they didn't have power steering, considering that was pretty much standard in cars by the mid 80s.
WRONG! Corvette people were whining about the threat of Fiero's second generation. They pressured GM to cut the Fiero program. So, GM had their bean counters to come up with some BS. Fiero did well in sales against MR2, in double and did better than Corvette's sales as well for ALL FIVE YEARS. You hear me??? ALL FIVE years. Even with marketing being cut for '88, Fiero did better. So, it wasn't MR2 or CRX, but corvette that ended the Fiero program. PERIOD!!!
GM top brass hated the original idea of Pontiac's vision for the Fiero as an actual thoroughbred sports car from the very start, they always protect the Vette...only it can be GM's sports car...even though Chevy was supposed to be the budget division and Pontiac at the time was intended to be the PERFORMANCE division of GM. GM threw everything in the way they possibly could to stop Pontiac's desire for the Fiero to be their revival as an actual performance branch. TBH, the consistent nerfing of the Fiero was the beginning of the death of Pontiac, imo.
@@mr.2cents.846 YUP!!!! Pontiac also had one or two mules with a DOHC 2.9 turbo V6 (the Porsche Killer) they'd developed that was also superior to the Vette of the time. That power plant was intended to be the Fiero's (236 HP btw), but once upper GM found out about it they ordered Pontiac to cease development and destroy the engines.
The issue was the radiator being far from the engine. If the fan malfunctioned, the engine would not be cooled from air blasting through a front grill, and it would overheat and often caught fire. The V6 stayed cooler when this occured.
Coolest car you've ever had on this channel. BTW, the Fiero's real competition was not the MR2 or CRX. It was Ford's EXP. Remember them? Yeah, I thought not.
I have noticed a common characteristic of most of the FIERO owners meet, and it is not humility nor modesty. The reason the Pontiac competed with the Ford is it was just under a superior league which belonged to the competition between the CRX and MR 2. Great car though!
@@gray25xtI'm a Fiero owner, and loyal Fiero stan. But I'm very realistic about this model's capabilities and flaws. The Fiero is not the equal of a MR2 or CRX...in the realm of performance either of those will run circles around Fieros...they handle better and especially for the SC MR2...they are faster. I don't like Fieros because they're superior to anything, I just love them for what they are and the history behind them. Pontiac dared to even produce a midengine car. Also, I have owned an MR2 before my Fieros...so I have in-person experience with both models.
I remember having purchased a 73 914 and had a great body job done and put lowering springs on it (1984 ish). Someone with a Fiero parked next to me and damn it it wasn't an inch or two lower (how did they do that?). Anyhow, I am delighted to say that I drove my 914 for 10 years as a daily driver and it was one of the best cars I ever owned. There were only two glitches the 914 had in my opinion and I cured them easily and had quite the reliable car. Needless to say the rust would eventually take over :(
Is this still for sale? How would one get in touch? What the reviewer didn't know was for the 89/90 fieros were going to have the LQ1 3.4L dohc engine and the Olds Quad 4. And the Corvette people kept interfering in this cars development, and they pushed hard to get the Fiero cancelled after there was a prototype with a N* on the test track that destroyed the corvette.
For sale for $300,000 Hhh, For REAL ! That would buy a house in some parts of America. I could get one of my fav cars (if I had the money) A 1969 Shelby for over $100,000. It is sporty, bigger, has a real trunk, more room and can carry more passengers.
Worth 15K? I’ve been looking at 88GT manual last months or so and found a few on Facebook marker place for 9500 and 8000 in excellent condition with manual with under 90K miles and it still has not been sold for close to 4 weeks. Maybe it’s worth 15K but market is not demanding 15K right now.
Would get the AW11, more than half the price and a decent aftermarket. Fiero would be a fun car to own but it doesn’t help that the c8 is 1/4 of what he’s asking for 😅.
First, you're right. Fieros have become way too expensive for their own good. The free market system will eventually take care of that. Second, good luck finding that C8 for $60K. 😉
I think we test drove the 84/85 in one of those years, or at least sat in it at the dealership with the motor running (it would have definitely been out of our price range). . Having the motor right next to the seats was odd, but it was a great car.
I have had 4 Fieros - the best was my '88 GT - I stupidly sold it to an 'enthusiast' 14 years ago...SHOULD HAVE KEPT IT! ruclips.net/video/YUCQ8jAgdBY/видео.html
I have owned a '88 Fiero Formula since the summer after I graduated ('96). 206,000 miles later the car still puts a smile on my face every time I drive it. So fun!
They only made the Formulas in '88, so you got a fairly rare Fiero. Hold on to that puppy. I think any 88 Fiero would be worth holding on to, to be honest.
Picking up a 86 GT next week.
Dropping a 3800sc in it over the summer and enjoying my vaporwave race car for as long as she lives.
How’s the project going?
@@goodbonezz1289 slow. Work a lot. Got some rust cleaned up. Cleaned the gas tank out.
Next week gonna fix the right headlight. Motor on it is dead I think.
Still need to drop the engine in and do some tuning but will be done around Aug I think.
@@thekidd2323 nice. Rome wasn’t built in a day. That thing is gonna rip when you get it running.
Keep us posted…great project.
@@goodbonezz1289 I wish I could build Rome in a day. I’d have so many fieros hahahaha
@@thekidd2323 update?
My dad had one of these in '89. Red with black wheels. Looked great! When I'd drive it on the weekends I'd tell all the girls it was a Porsche . . . and they believed me. I've always thought about buying one as a grown up. Probably missed the boat on that though.
Actually at times they sound like a Porsche.
I'd take one of these over a 944 any day
Pontiac had big plans with the 2nd gen Fiero. And the GM brass was afraid of that because they didn't wanted their golden boy the Corvette, which was double the price, embarrassed.
On top of that Pontiac made the "mistake" to tun a V8 mule on the Corvette's test track and beat the Vette's record. Which sealed the Fiero's fate.
Even after the V8 mule, Pontiac also were also developing their own 4 valve turbo 3.9 V6 in collaboration with Porsche which also was placed in a running mule....236hp, and just like the V8 mule, it made the Vette of the time look like a joke. Once they caught wind of it, GM brass ordered Pontiac to cease the project.
I would love to own one of those beauties, insane that in 2022 this car looks interesting and not old at all.
i own an 88 t top gt. its an automatic , i got it for t top option which is very rare. i was surprised at how much fun it was with an automatic. yes the 5 speed is more fun but the automatic is still a blast even with only 3 speeds. i am looking for a t top with a 5 speed though.
Thank you for this great video, finally a intelligent review! I have a stock 87 GT. Just one thing I want to say: the fact that it only has 140 hp, but can put such a massive smile on your face is a testament to the car being one hell of a awesome sports car. I have owned my share of fast high HP sports cars, and still nothing is as big of a blast to drive as my 87 GT.
I’ve owned my 1987 Fiero 4 cylinder automatic for 35 years now. It looks even better now than when I purchased it. The car wasn’t meant to be a fast race car….I knew that when purchasing it from the dealership. What captured my heart was it’s look. This was a head turner back then and even more so today. It stands out as unique among everything on the road currently. This is a car to enjoy…moving along slowly or even just parked. It’s Art on wheels.
I own an 86 GT and she is an amazing, quirky machine. Very fun to drive.
it's my favorite car I have owned
Fun fact. The Fiero was the first American car to win the IMSA GTU race series
Viva la Fiero. ❤
Yeah, I do have one. It's a late run red, '86 GT with all the '87 up grades, like the wheels and Getrag 5-spd transmission, etc. It was in pristine stock shape, that I've only improved over the last 13+ years. I did a 3.4 swap, which made it so I could keep up and/or pass other traffic safely. Drove it that way for four years and did a 3800sc swap, which turned it into what I call my quasi super car, and it lives up to it. So, it was fun to drive when I bought it, a whole lot more fun with the 3.4, but now it's a blast to drive with 300+hp behind me, and very fast. I love my '86 Fiero GT more than ever. It's a rolling car show to the public and they love it too. Almost forgot, all the interior has been renewed and upgraded. I paid $3500 for it and put in $2500 more in upgrades. And for an investment of $6000, looks better and will out run most cars that cost four times that amount. I'd say, yes...it's a great investment.
I owned a 1988 GT. Loved that car, sadly I was rear ended and it was totaled. I drove the car several times from West Virginia to Florida. Wish I still had it. Fun car.
I Just bought an 88 GT like yours, I fell in love from Italy!👍 Great video fiero Is all about how she makes you feel, the look, the sound, the connection
That's cool AF that you're Italian and enjoy one of our cars that's inspired by the cars of your country!!!
I own an red 86 GT, and many ppl here (who aren't car ppl) unironically think she's an old Ferrari 😂
@@Aleiza_49Italian cars are just fashion, you can simply take a cheap small block, supercharge it, and let all Ferraris eat the dust
had one in the uk, a v6 4speed se, a great fun car and nobody knew what it was.Mr2 drivers got a little jealous!
I bought an 88 Formula from a fella in Nebraska last spring. Just put 20K on the odometer. Absolutely love it. Also found another 88 GT in West Palm beach a few months ago. Love both of them.
I love this car so much- your video really brought back memories- I’ve owned a 1987 GT and a couple of years ago I got a 1986 SE… but the 1988 is the one to have
That the only Fiero that I like. 5 speed 88 Fiero GT. One hell of a car. Been saying it for a while now, watch the prices of these go up.
I currently have an 86 GT with the 4 spd manual, I adore it. Pure 80s vibes, I love the exhaust note and the intake note.. and it's just a beautiful loveable unique vehicle.
I took her to my local Cars and Coffee last weekend and everyone loved her.... curiously, especially the C8 guys😅
You're definitely right about that you don't own one of these because they're the fastest thing ever (they're very not), but they're decently quick enough for some fun. For me it's just the experience, an 80s trip.
Back in the day, it WAS a fast car, the GT anyway.
The 88 was also the first and only with electric power steering, so I’m not sure why this car doesn’t have it. Also the five speed didn’t come out until the 87 model. 😮 Yes, I do have one, an 86.5 with only 41K original mile and rear 5 speed for it’s time. I guess they ran out of 4 speeds when the built mine. 😊
Only a few '88s had power steering.
They pulled that option from production, sadly.I bought a brand new 88 GT in late 87. I still have it today.
@@mr.2cents.846 I never seen a single one with power steering, at least not from the factory. If a few did get produced, that would be a really rare collector Fiero. I always found it odd they didn't have power steering, considering that was pretty much standard in cars by the mid 80s.
WRONG!
Corvette people were whining about the threat of Fiero's second generation. They pressured GM to cut the Fiero program. So, GM had their bean counters to come up with some BS. Fiero did well in sales against MR2, in double and did better than Corvette's sales as well for ALL FIVE YEARS. You hear me??? ALL FIVE years. Even with marketing being cut for '88, Fiero did better. So, it wasn't MR2 or CRX, but corvette that ended the Fiero program. PERIOD!!!
GM top brass hated the original idea of Pontiac's vision for the Fiero as an actual thoroughbred sports car from the very start, they always protect the Vette...only it can be GM's sports car...even though Chevy was supposed to be the budget division and Pontiac at the time was intended to be the PERFORMANCE division of GM.
GM threw everything in the way they possibly could to stop Pontiac's desire for the Fiero to be their revival as an actual performance branch. TBH, the consistent nerfing of the Fiero was the beginning of the death of Pontiac, imo.
Plus Pontiac made the mistake to make a V8 mule and ran it on the Corvette's test track and beat the Vette's record. That finally sealed its fate.
@@mr.2cents.846 YUP!!!! Pontiac also had one or two mules with a DOHC 2.9 turbo V6 (the Porsche Killer) they'd developed that was also superior to the Vette of the time. That power plant was intended to be the Fiero's (236 HP btw), but once upper GM found out about it they ordered Pontiac to cease development and destroy the engines.
literally dream car. i wish
There were also around 20.000 speacial editions.... But all the 1988 were nice for most part .. we have one.. Almost new
The prices have gone up. I bought a beautiful 1987 GT in 2002 for $1500.00!
Pontiac Fiero is my dream car... I just got to continue saving up for it.
The issue was the radiator being far from the engine. If the fan malfunctioned, the engine would not be cooled from air blasting through a front grill, and it would overheat and often caught fire. The V6 stayed cooler when this occured.
I've seen these do well at SCCA Auto X events. Cool ride.
The front suspension was from a Chevette.
not on the 88 model. it got a whole new suspension set up
@@onixfieroandscalemodelworksThat is true. I understand it was designed by Lotus
😮
@@onixfieroandscalemodelworksYeah and ut cost them 30 millions to make it.
Coolest car you've ever had on this channel. BTW, the Fiero's real competition was not the MR2 or CRX. It was Ford's EXP. Remember them? Yeah, I thought not.
I have noticed a common characteristic of most of the FIERO owners meet, and it is not humility nor modesty. The reason the Pontiac competed with the Ford is it was just under a superior league which belonged to the competition between the CRX and MR 2. Great car though!
@@gray25xt subtle roast
@@gray25xtI'm a Fiero owner, and loyal Fiero stan. But I'm very realistic about this model's capabilities and flaws. The Fiero is not the equal of a MR2 or CRX...in the realm of performance either of those will run circles around Fieros...they handle better and especially for the SC MR2...they are faster.
I don't like Fieros because they're superior to anything, I just love them for what they are and the history behind them. Pontiac dared to even produce a midengine car.
Also, I have owned an MR2 before my Fieros...so I have in-person experience with both models.
I remember having purchased a 73 914 and had a great body job done and put lowering springs on it (1984 ish). Someone with a Fiero parked next to me and damn it it wasn't an inch or two lower (how did they do that?). Anyhow, I am delighted to say that I drove my 914 for 10 years as a daily driver and it was one of the best cars I ever owned. There were only two glitches the 914 had in my opinion and I cured them easily and had quite the reliable car. Needless to say the rust would eventually take over :(
A Fiero is lower than an '89 Miata...
Is this still for sale? How would one get in touch? What the reviewer didn't know was for the 89/90 fieros were going to have the LQ1 3.4L dohc engine and the Olds Quad 4. And the Corvette people kept interfering in this cars development, and they pushed hard to get the Fiero cancelled after there was a prototype with a N* on the test track that destroyed the corvette.
There is nothing in the ad about it being for sale.
@@gray25xt you literally said it could be bought at the beginning of the video and gave a price
Awesome car
a favorite of mine
I have a red 1986 SE M26! Love it ❤
For sale for $300,000 Hhh, For REAL ! That would buy a house in some parts of America. I could get one of my fav cars (if I had the money) A 1969 Shelby for over $100,000. It is sporty, bigger, has a real trunk, more room and can carry more passengers.
I would even pay 10k for one🤣that's outrageous smh
Worth 15K? I’ve been looking at 88GT manual last months or so and found a few on Facebook marker place for 9500 and 8000 in excellent condition with manual with under 90K miles and it still has not been sold for close to 4 weeks. Maybe it’s worth 15K but market is not demanding 15K right now.
Give it the McLaren turbo treatment.
I owned an 88gt it was underpowered for sure and like to plow in corners but I loved that car.
If you had the female automatic version than yes, it must have felt under powered.
@mr.2cents.846 NO it was a manual 5 speed
Did you say for sale for $300,000???
Chassiss? WTF is a Chassiss! It's pronounced chassie. Or shassie, if you're pretentious. Sheesh!
Would get the AW11, more than half the price and a decent aftermarket. Fiero would be a fun car to own but it doesn’t help that the c8 is 1/4 of what he’s asking for 😅.
First, you're right. Fieros have become way too expensive for their own good. The free market system will eventually take care of that. Second, good luck finding that C8 for $60K. 😉
@@pgackerman6409 well you can definitely cop one for 110k; but I’m more for the c7 tbh 🎊
@@indianjoe3493 I'm a C6 convertible guy. Head rubs the ceiling in a C7.
I'm keeping my eye out for a red 1988 Fiero GT 5 speed with low miles. Once I find one, I'm selling my 9000 mile Mustang GT.
Update: Found one! Only 14K miles, 1988 red 5 speed. 1 previous owner. The wheels are in motion.
💯💯
I think we test drove the 84/85 in one of those years, or at least sat in it at the dealership with the motor running (it would have definitely been out of our price range). . Having the motor right next to the seats was odd, but it was a great car.
Wait, we both have silver Insights and red For GTs? Lol
Donde puedo conseguir uno de eso fiero en perfectas condiciones
Same wheels as the GTA.
Wait... $300k?? WHAT?
He was kidding sort of. He means he won't sell it .
I have had 4 Fieros - the best was my '88 GT - I stupidly sold it to an 'enthusiast' 14 years ago...SHOULD HAVE KEPT IT!
ruclips.net/video/YUCQ8jAgdBY/видео.html
300k ? I want whatever you are smoking
I was like bro🤣🤦♂️couldn't possibly even re sell it for half of that
I'll take it for 3k right now
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Actually , it was four quarts going to three quarts
$300K AINT THAT THE TRUTH