Lake Speed's Ford C3 NASCAR Engine: Drag Racing Legend Greg Anderson Machines The Block!
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- If you watched a previous video we did with Lake Speed Sr and Jr you saw us load up an old engine he had sitting in his former Winston Cup race shop for almost 20 years untouched! Lake has a 1993 Purex Thunderbird left over from his days as an owner driver that he briefly used in vintage racing in the early 2000s. He has not driven a stock car since then. We are going to refresh this period correct engine and Lake is going to get back in his old car at 74 years old!!
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We are learning so much about this stuff right along with you guys! How technical can we get before it’s too complicated for RUclips 😂
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I'm all in!!!
I understand it all being a part time performance engine builder.what treasure to see Greg in action .he would make a excellent teacher.new tech is so cool to learn no matter what brand engine is being built. Wonder what a machine like that cost?
Go ALL THE WAY! Please. I absolutely LOVE this stuff!
Moving was definitely a good idea
@@KS-dg5zh i believe they said over $1m in the video but could have been talking about another machine as a reference but im sure its not cheap
Folks being inside Greg’s shop is a big deal. This just doesn’t happen everyday. Another great video Mitchell 👍👍
Thanks clay!!
you ain’t kiddin!
Can you get in Warren Johnson's shop & get him to talk heads ???
Wow!! He is NOT lying about getting in there!
Two of our former Pro Stock drivers drove on a rent a ride from KB.
One driver.. sat in the lobby 2 1/2 hours..for a seat pour...while they took the engine and other pieces off..so he didn't see them. You have a better chance of getting in the Oval room than in Anderson's shop.
I'm actually..truly..SHOCKED.
KUDOS to you for getting in the Fort Knox of drag racing engine shops!
That’s awesome 😂
Bob Glidden, many decades ago, was at least as difficult as you describe here. If you gave Mad Dog 28 races a Yr instead of 8/10 races a yr like he had for half his wins. His 86 National Event wins would hav been closer to 180. Maybe more.
Yes, Greg runs a tite ship. Deserves a lot of respect. Yet.. Dont thk Mad dog was any less covert. Nice video!
Lakes boy is such an engine and tech nerd, man this is a gem. You win today stud.
His enthusiasm is infectious. I don't know anything about engine building but I was getting excited!
Love that dude!!
Been waiting for this, Lakes energy and passion for his craft makes exceptional viewing, his ability to explain the complex processes in an easy to understand way is quite an art form, could listen to him all day! And that guys CNC, thats some kit right there, big thanks for sharing this process with us. Some of the best car stuff I've seen to date, much love to all.....
Thanks man!
Can’t wait for the Doug Yates video 💯
With the explanation of the first time you hear about the peaks and valleys, it is hard to take it all in.
About a week from now I will make sense.
You will subconsciously trying to figure this out all week.
I know this because when I first started working with technical stuff we had a guy who would come in and explain all this and I had the same reaction you did. About a week later sometimes 2 weeks later or when you're doing something else you go "OHhhhh that's what he was talking about.
It will make sense to you now, but you probably couldn't explain it to somebody else.
Then one day you'll be talking about this and you will explain what you learned and you'll see that same look of "what's he talking about" from the person you're talking to.
I hope that made sense.
Yes it does 😂
So smooth ridges and deep valleys holds the oil molecules. Got it.
Completely understand all of this. My machinist held seven NHRA world records and I was always asking very specific questions about this exact topic. I was always experimenting with all the engines I built. Great video.
Let's go. Been waiting for motor vids
Good work for a young guy
GREAT STUFF brother 💪 Love it
I’m a Ford guy, have been for a long time…but I got nothing for respect for Greg Anderson. Former crew chief for Warren Johnson, started his own deal and began spanking the field. NHRA Pro Stock is a weak shell of its former
self, but Greg is old school.
That's one of the things that separate Greg from most of the drivers. He was also a multi time Champion while Crew Chief for teammate Jason Line
The coolest thing about this is seeing how far Lake Jr will go to help his father out. Wonderful family story and series of videos ❤
Like doesn't seen enough. Awesome stuff. Thanks as always great job.
Hell yeah! What I love the most is the amount of science, physics, engineering, machining, and money spent to make more power.
You are getting us inside the Bleeding Edge of Race engine building. Lake is an amazing Brand spokesman.
You and your wife are extremely respectful and humble and it is opening doors that most people will never be able to walk through.
Thank you.
Thanks man!
These 2 Speed Guys are fantastic Racing Dudes! Lake and Lake Jr. are supported by an awesome lady named RICE…. Put more Vids with these People….
Stapleton, with the way you and the Ms. respect all the people you go out & work to get involved with in making your content, is why people are happy to let you in their shops. Thank you and the Ms., The Wiz, Lake Speed Jr and to Greg Anderson's shop for not only allowing us in their shop but to show us all the new technology out there in 2022. Great video. Keep up the great work!
Thanks mark 💪🏻
The living legend Greg Anderson. Just wow. U r amazing Stapleton
Greg and Brad are legends
I can not believe that Greg Anderson honeed that block. What a legend.
Listening to Greg it's no surprise he is a world champion
Like seeing the tech videos and learning how it all works together
My neighbor and my one of my Dad's friends Allen Johnson raced against Mr Anderson for years in NHRA. Allen only beat him out one time for the Pro Stock championship I think 2012. I got to meet Mr Anderson a couple of times super nice man unless he is in race mode then it was all about winning.
Huge thanks to Greg Anderson for doing this with you. I’m an even bigger fan now.
Same here
Greg Anderson Crew Chief Warren Johnson From 1986 To 1993 Pro Stock Drag Racing Thanks For Uploading
So the surface is made to be a cylindrical version of a surface plate or the old school scraped type of a flat. To a much more extent.
Love this series it’s awesome to learn about the old motors that paved the way to the new stuff
Thanks man!!
love this!!!! gained alot of respect for greg anderson for machining his own shit
Awesome video! Very informative, learned a lot from watching! Keep the videos coming,
Wow, this is so awesome! Greg Anderson is a legend. I met him in 2019 in Las Vegas.
Love the videos I love the stories and cars of what I feel are the best years of nascar the 80-90s
Loving this series, keep up the great work, I know I'm only a recent subscriber but I've been really enjoying your vids, from the exhaust vids you've been doing to the history vids it's all great
Thanks man we are glad you’re here!
@@Stapleton42 i know i would probably be better off contacting you via email, but since you answered ill give it a shot, when playing around with exhaust on my dads model a we ended up making 4 into 1 headers with each collector followed firing order to help with scavenging, it then goes into an x pipe and one 12 inch long hot dog muffler on each side and very short tail pipes, I know they're not boom tubes, they're 4 into ones not try ys and its a Cleveland but in person it sounds a lot like a local guys ex 1990s cup car thunderbird (I haven't heard many nascars in person there aren't many here in Australia) if you are interested there are two videos of it on my channel if you want any more info or pics let me know
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At first was confused but the questions Logan and you asked started making it easier to understand what he was talking about.
Thanks man I guess we are doing our job right!
This is fantastic. I absorb this stuff like a sponge. I find it amazing how you manage to find yourself in the presence of some of the most knowledgeable, legendary people in the motorsports industry. People of this caliber don't let just anybody in the door. In my opinion, the door is being opened for you because these folks recognize something in you that they don't see in most. I think they see your genuine interest, desire to learn, and your mission to document and relay this to others who want to learn.
Thanks man. We hope so.
Yes, this is a great series.
Being a Ford fanatic and being around during that time, this stuff is fascinating
Be cool to see him back in the car!
ive done similar stuff with motorcycles but not this advanced.
edit: ok this video shows and explains some very important inner workings and machining of IC engines. it is not beginner level stuff. it took me a week maybe, in a machine shop, to learn and understand what was explained here in a half hour. yall never cease to amaze me on your ability to bring the proper knowledge from experts to the front. no bro science over here
Awesome content. I've seen over the years what guys do with our Sprint car engines, but this is really interesting all the cool tools they have in the shop. Keep it coming.
Hell yeah brother just in time coffee is ready
I am totally enjoying this series with Lake Speed. Can't wait for the next video. Could there be some Lake Speed Purex based merch in the future?
That’s a good idea!
Really incredible video. Can't wait for the next one. Greg Anderson , that speaks for itself.
Wow. It's been probably as long as the last time that block was built since I built 358's and 454's.
I am floored how much has changed in the processes. Thank you so much for sharing this video!! BIG THUMBS UP 👍..
Thanks Mike!
Imagine Lake Speed and his son as shop teachers! Such knowledge, patience and talent.
I was bopping around North carolina and i came across 3 Ford C3 heads so I bought them, they are also 1995 and I had them flowed, they run 363 cfm from 500lift to 900 they went 322 to 363. Should support 700hp. They say Earnie Elliot on em. If I live long enough I might put it in a modified. I think the older ones are cant`ed and splayed where the newer C3`s are only rotated in one plane
That’s an awesome find!
Ed that’s a good find on those Ford C3 heads. I don’t know the specific details about the older and newer revisions of the C3 heads but the benefits offered from the canted valve design are the main reason they flow so well. It wouldn’t make sense to redesign them without featuring the canted valve design. Of course the sanctioning bodies that write the rule books have a long history of targeting the Ford canted valve heads specifically and changing the rules if Fords start winning too many races. That’s an unfortunate but well documented fact that the NHRA will always be remembered for. Heavily biased bastards totally without shame for pulling those tactics to please GM and the major sponsors.
Like WTF man 🤔
@@danielwilson6665 I agree, the sanctioning bodies seem to be hardest on ford, especially on the Cleveland stuff. none of the short tracks I`ve been too have ever allowed Cleveland heads. I guess cause chevy made only in-line heads. SB-2 head looks like a modified BBC and a C-3 looks like a modified BBF head. All those heads are antiques now
@@edpetrocelli2633 …. Sanctioning bodies made Cleveland heads the most scrutinized, regulated, restricted, penalized and banned regular production heads in racing history. It just doesn’t make sense because they were production pieces and not an attempt by Ford to slip an exotic race oriented part past the rules and into the mix. When racers identified the weaknesses of the Cleveland heads and modified them while staying in compliance with the rules, they came up with a high flowing head that was superior to all others available at the time.
It’s obvious that Chevy has always been more popular than Ford and when Chevy fans attend or watch a televised race that a Ford wins, those fans come away feeling unsatisfied. When that scenario is repeated too often, fans become disgruntled and start to loose interest. That’s when race attendance and TV viewers starts to decline. Then it becomes a problem for the business end of Motorsports and something has to be done. After all it is big business and money is the motivation.
The quick and obvious fix was to do something about what was giving Fords a winning advantage but the heads never were an unfair advantage like so many people claimed. I realize that it’s all ancient history now and the components involved could be viewed as antiques. But with the aftermarket releasing several new versions of alloy Cleveland heads, there’s a huge interest in Clevelands again. But it’s not just heads. People have been building “Clevors” for years by using Windsor based blocks topped off with Cleveland heads.
There’s always been a controversy over the shortcomings of production Cleveland blocks and the short production run of the blocks didn’t leave many good cores for new builds. Clevelands are still a popular engine for performance builds in Australia and their aftermarket offers aluminum Cleveland blocks but high shipping costs are a problem.
The good news is there are two sources in the States for Cleveland specific blocks. The Titus Cleveland block from Mark McKeown. titusperformanceproducts.com .
The TrackBoss Cleveland block from Timothy Meyer. tmeyerinc.com .
Both are good but I’m more familiar with the TrackBoss. It’s being poured at a local American foundry which gives Tim the ability to work directly with the foundry for better control during the process. It features full Cleveland architecture meaning that both OEM and aftermarket components are a direct bolt on. The oiling system has been upgraded to priority main bearing oiling to correct the problem found with the original when run at high rpm’s for long periods of time. The cylinder walls are extended deeper into the block to add stability to stroker pistons at BDC. The main bulkheads and pan rails are thicker and it has four bolt main bearing caps in all 5 positions for an extremely stout bottom end. There have been delays at the American foundry but aluminum and special grade cast iron block distribution is just beginning and will provide the foundation for the new generation of powerful Clevelands to come.
Clevelands might be antiques but to people like myself that have been building them all along, they are an important part in the arsenal of powerful pushrod Ford V-8 engines.
Modern antique Clevelands still rule.
And the beat goes on….🏁.
I`m gonna have to get my hands on a cleveland head and do a side by side comparison cause they sure look like a C3 or a small 429 head. I just don`t get them in my shop. I do a lot of BBF`s but I get blocks from Eliminator and it takes awhile but everything takes awhile now
Dude I'm loving all this fine tuned racing know how. If a guy could replicate 50% of this finish independently, he could do some awesome stuff with junkyard engines.
Can we all just appreciate the background noise in the first part of this video.
INCREDIBLE❕️I would not have thought this was possible, to go into anyone's shop, let alone GREG ANDERSONS❕️my excitement is peaking.
I always blueprinted my engines with the latest balance and honing availability for the time. This is peaking inside the absolute best. Are you kidding me?
MORE AND MORE PLEASE❕️
I think that I will have to order me a new G. M. Performance block. Oh baby is this stuff cool. All the top qualifying race teams know this and have it available to them, drag racing, oval track racing, truck pulling, tractor pulling...
Thanks for sharing 👍.
I said it before, you two are awesome.
✌🏻🧡💜👍🤘🌤🇨🇦😁💋😬.
I know a little bit about honing cylinders but this was like 3 dimensional chess! I love the content and it’s always neat to look back into history with you and Logan! Btw, love the hat, it has replaced my old trusty hat!
Thank you Dave we are glad you like it!!
Dude, you are picking up so much unique knowledge. If this was school, I would have been there more. Lol. I'm still going to ram a dingle ball thru the bores, and haphazardly slap mismatched parts together. But at least I know why what I'm doing is wrong
Good point 😂
Never much cared for NASCAR. I started out watching your drag racing videos. I must admit you are pulling me in with how you are so in love with these cars and how fired up you get the veterans of the sport when they see how much of a fan you (and Logan) are. Don't forget to keep doing your build videos, I miss them.
Thanks Ed. They’re coming don’t worry!
This series is awesome! Can't wait for more!!!
Wow my mind is blown. Your interviews are amazing. It is awesome to see you guys with Greg Anderson. My with is a huge NHRA fan and I,m a Sprint Car and NASCAR fan. so you have literally checked all the boxes for us. Before I went to the Army I worked for a guy that built engines for the local short track. That was going to be my chosen profession. I love the process of building them. All through High School that was pretty much all i did. I.m amazed at the technology that is involved these days. Great job. Can not wait to see the Yates interview. Kep going guys. Loving every minute of this.
Thanks John we are glad you’re here!
Okay so that was just epic, the detail on the process was awesome, I love detail like that. Just remember its all about those short strokes 🤣
I hope y’all run across some Bowtie V6 stuff. I’d love to learn more about those cars when they were using that engine
Darrin Morgan generously shared information very close to this with me about 16 years ago when I was building our shop's first big bracket engines back in the day, pretty cool stuff. Deep root, smooth surface and let the oil do the work. Of course, these engines still had relatively clunky rings, .043"/.062"/.1875" IIRC.
Excellent video, love seeing the modern diamond hone.
The modern day ring pack is something else too. I remember when 3mm Napier style started... then it went to 2.5mm and then 2mm. Now 1.5mm for top and second rings.
Miss Darrin Morgan and all of those guys being active on speedtalk forums and what not as well.
Tell Lake he needs a show. I would watch that 💯🏁
5:50 "Most efficient N/A engine on the planet".
F1 engines were way past 3 hp/ci (183 hp/L) in 1989 and hit 5.5 hp/ci in the 2004-5.
So the PS power per size is not that amazing, but what IS amazing is that they get that power under their restrictions - They are limited to OHV/pushrods, has RPM limits, cant reduce stroke more than to about 3 inches and have to use valve springs and not pneumatics. And that it becomes harder to make hp/ci the higher you go in total size of the engine.
With each of these videos, you guys are gaining momentum on utube. The people you are interviewing were players and the real deal. Momentum helps a great deal in many endeavors.
Absolutely 💪🏻
@@Stapleton42 I used to run a print ad agency and was a sales manager, and started as an outside sales rep. Getting momentum helps a ton, you build off the momentum and start kicking ass and taking names. There are some real interesting utube videos but don't get momentum in that subject. Being from St. Louis, interviewing the race car drivers from the area who were players was interesting. I have a friend, Jim Gerber who in the late 70's early 80's was a world champion blown nitromethane drag boat racer. He was sponsored by Coors Light and then Budweiser Light and the drag boat races were interesting because of the different classes and knowing Jim and seeing how his boat was put together in his pit was cool.
Awesome video! You guys are always asking the right questions. And Mr. Greg Anderson is such a cutthroat driver but one of the nicest people in any Motorsport. Can’t wait to hear that small block zigging to 8k
👍 It’s fascinating to see the new tech and how it differs from the old.
Lake will make that car power around that track like a kid going after candy! It will be a sight to see!!
All the information that these guys have are amazing. Racing and ring technology what a combination. I have seen other commercials with lake speed jr. talking about fire rings. I learned a lot and it was a great video.
Thanks man that’s what we love to hear!
It’s really crazy I see a guy I have never seen seen and then I see a 20 minute commercial from him about the history of rings and how they started with steam engines. What a full circle of teaching and fun and our channel has become. Bravo to you both
Racing technology trickles down over time. This kind of information in this video is a great example of the kind of engine build that normal folks can aspire to obtain today. It’s old news to current Cup teams, but most certainly valuable information for the rest of us trying to make the most power possible from a given engine arrangement. Good stuff…and 3 horsepower per cubic inch? Insane for a naturally aspirated engine that has to survive for extended periods of use.
Love this content keep it coming 👍
The best video I’ve seen in a long time. An old friend and former co-worker, works at Pro Motor and has for years. He was running the dyno in the previous video. Old engine guys like myself love this stuff. Greg does it all and has for years. The man is as experienced as one can be.....
What is crazy is that the pro stock guys can make more selling a couple of Nascar engines than winning a race weekend in NHRA. I remember reading an article that WJ was building round track engines and making much more that his pro stock car ever made.
Love the technical stuff! I have a thirst for knowledge in all forms of Motorsport.
Oh ya!! I'm excited to see how this goes. Killer content
Man I love what y’all are doing! Also really like these shops opening the doors to y’all. Love the tech talk as well. Great job!
Yet more amazing technology and deep enginerding. This stuff is fascinating and you are learning it from some of the best in the business. These videos are solid gold, keep it up! :)
Thanks mark!
Keep the tech coming, Mitchell! I can’t get enough of it! Thanks for all your hard work on all fronts!
If you guys by any chance have a extra motor laying around I’ll be very happy to move it out of the way for you 😇🏁
Wow how can someone get to have there block done by these guys. 😎
If my dad was still alive. He would be impressed with this. One of the classes he used to teach at UNOH was custom engine machining. And he had to know a lot about the machines he worked on there.
There's not a enough words in a dictionary to tell you just how much a great gut Lake Speed is .
Man this. Just this. This behind the scenes engine stuff is my jam. I love this. Thank you so much for sharing and to Lake Jr. and Mr. Anderson.
yeah this is some of the best educational \ informational video you can find for NA nascar engines , thank you
The entire thing regarding the cylinder breathing or flexing in and out definitely explains why in the past. I have seen some of the issues with engines blowing up, and when you get to looking the cylinder wall is blown out.
It definitely answers some questions that I've had about engine blocks. And why I've seen some of the things I have seen in the past with engine blocks failing.
That was super cool. I can't wait to hear Doug tell his story on that head.
This is an awesome series … thank you to everyone contributing to the history of the technology
Yet another wonderful video.
I'd love to see an in detail video of some of the tricks they used to get up to to squeeze more power back in the day
Absolutely following, would love more films like this 😊
You got it!
Greg Anderson has way more than driving skills. When I was working at Brad Anderson‘s traveling with the top fuel and funny car team got to meet Greg he was pretty much the car chief on Warren Johnson’s car from what I could see he was doing everything but driving lol the guy has endless knowledge . And he is down to earth .
More more more!!
Engine building is not in my background, I have enjoyed this video immensely and will look at your other vids.
Hi from NZ,
Anthony.
Love all the technology talk and watching the machines perform the process. Thanks for making this happen.
Really enjoy these videos! This series is an eye opener for old school guys to see where computer technology has advanced things. I really soaked up that valve spring test station with software...back in the late 70's I put in a few hours every night after school in a machine shop testing valve springs the old fashioned way, at the Arm Strong testing station 1 by 1. It was a way to earn a little extra gas money for my car to get to school and have cruising gas for the weekend sometimes. Thousands of springs tested and matched up for various engines...it was good to be young!
Best one yet! I learned so much from this edition. I am no stranger to boring and honing and using a torque plate and I use Total Seal rings in my Corvair race engines. Lake's son is a wealth of information. Anxious to see the rest of the old engine build and the results. To gain access to that tresure trove of knowledge and experience is in and of itself a feat.
This is better than anything on cable tv. You all are killing it. Edge of the seat content to a gear head. Greg Anderson is a cool guy in real life . We don’t see that aspect of NHRA drivers on TV.
I'm shocked those valve springs were that close and had not gotten soft
Same
They had to be the best of the best and had low hours that was surprising
Best video so far, jam packed with great info. Your honesty wins out to get inside Anderson's shop AND have the man himself operate that CNC. Lake Speed Jr was awesome as always. Between then and now, so much has changed - metallurgy, computer automation, machining, the complete package is almost a 360 degree improvement. Thanks for the inside info on cylinder wall honing. I couldn't ask for better. Video quality great, sound great, edits great.
Thanks Wayne! Sound is a big focus of mine recently
Let’s go!
Very cool video, glad to see that Lake Speed's engine is getting refreshed and refurbed! Love these mechanical tech videos, always interesting. Love the work you & Logan both do to give us such great video content! Appreciate it and am there with you guys too! Thanks so much!
Thanks mark!!
Damn, this is AWESOME. Loved every second of this! You two are amazing for making these videos! You HAVE to keep making them. Rules to continue: No fights with Logan. No criminal activities and don't die. We need you two to keep doing this! :)
As a hot rodder, this video is awesome!!! WOW how things have changed!!!! Thanks!! Great knowledge for me to put in the ole dictionary of engine performance in my old hard head!!!
Thanks Chris that’s what we love to hear!
So much Knowledge🤯
Amazing incite.. this content is gold! Its great to see behind the scenes, Mr Anderson on the tools, and he is a living legend of drag racing and really humble! Lake Jr is a wizard of the tech, bloody brilliant! Please keep them comming..
Thanks man we will!
First On RaceDay
Stoked for the follow up interview with Doug Yates and to learn more about the evolution of Fords engine program! Really enjoyed his interview on the Dale Jr Download, the guy is a class act!
Thanks man! We are pumped too