I was so happy to hear you defending the 500! Just got back from this year's race and I am proud to say it is my 14th 500 in my short 16 year life :) Never ever has disappointed me! Brilliant race this year.
You hit the nail on the head there. People forget that racing is dangerous as you said. People always strive for better safety and in many ways there is still work to be done on safety but racing will never be safe. For as long as we are going 180 MPH down the mulsanne straight in a GTE, going 230 MPH down the mulsanne in a Porsche 919 or even going 233 MPH round a ridiculously fast oval racing will never be safe. People will always die when we go racing. The only way to make sure people don't die when they go racing is to never go racing at all and that will never happen.
I love Indianapolis because I'm more competitive there than anywhere else :P I've yet to have a single problem with managing aero wash and that's probably what helps my competence. Unfortunately luck is not on my side. Ran top 2 for 30 laps in 4 races with only four 6th places to show for it. I've managed to: -Take the RHR line on a GWC restart only to find out it's bumpy as all hell, resulting in my car becoming a 200 mph lawn mower. -Hit the kill switch right trying to talk to a guy in chat when I was only one of two who could win. -Botch pit strategy and lose to a guy who qualified a second slower than me. -And slap the wall trying to give a damaged car extra room. The Andretti curse is dead, and it has been replaced with the Kite curse. P.S. I've yet to race someone trustworthy that ran that Mountain Dew scheme.
a couple years ago I got to drive my lil car on the talledega track and even though it was only 120 mph running 120 into what looked like a giant wall was amazing.... So these guys running 220+ into a narrow 90 degree corner must be absolutely amazing and those drivers have got to have a pair that makes elephants envious.
I do agree that no form of motorsport isn't dangerous. But I was surprised to see approx. 1 big crash per practice session at Indy... Guess everyone had to get used to the new aero sets. Not as in "aero sets are dangerous" but "aero sets make the handling different than it was the season before". And as you mentioned, some teams tried to go with as low settings as possible. Btw: Nice flying physics on display with the Mountain Dew car at the end!
I love these cars, and I love the Indy Oval, but I'm just a bigger fan of road racing as a driver. To watch, nothing beats ovals, Nascar and Indy Car put on some amazingly exciting stuff. Although I must say, without the danger, I wouldn't be as into motorsports as I am, I'm by no means an adrenaline junkie, but there's something about that risk reward ratio that really ignites a passion in me to drive.
James and I had the same teachers, i am from Oakville, On. and love watching your video. I do race at ASRacing for Nascar 2003 with three 24" monitors keep up the good work. By the way my Mom grew up next door to Bobby Orr lol, I no most likely not related.
Inbekannt I think I can speak for about everyone on iRacing, some people would not even make it INTO turn 1. But in another way, it would be cool to see.
Had a race here the other day started 25/26 finished 9th. Only passed 1 car for an actual position everyone else crashed out or ran into the wall. Solid race really would do again /10
The problem is flat bottomed cars, while that flat bottom helps suck the car to the ground going forward when going sidways or backwards it just tends to act as a big kite. NASCAR limited this effect with the flaps and the vertical fin on the rear window and WEC did the same with the sharks fin and cutting holes in the top of the wheel arches. COULD IndyCar do the same and have two flaps pop up on the engine cover when going backwards?
GreyMatter2006 Indycars aren't flat bottomed at all, they have a pretty noticeable pair of tunnels (look at Helio's crash, you get as good of a look at the floor of these things as you ever will) which is how they generate a lot of their downforce. Turn it around backwards at 200 MPH, suddenly you have lift and a large surface area to act like a kite. From what I've heard, they've done CFD work (which is really all that could be done, it'd be too expensive to fling cars backwards at that type of speed) supposedly testing NASCAR style flaps or tunnel blockers though getting either in a place they can be installed and be effective is a bigger challenge than one might think.
I can agree with you fully. But sadly its the same most racing series at the moment such as the F1. Yes there vacuum cleaners i can agree with that, but there vacuum cleaners with around 800 horsepower and a butt tone of torque. this can be shown at the recent Monaco Gran Prix were there doing around 200kph though the swimming pool and tell me would you do that with two walls center-meters away from a massive crash.
I tried to do one of these the other day to get some practice in traffic for the race next weekend. Started 14th of 25, two cars ahead smashed into each other lap one turn one and literally took out 15 people. Ridiculous.
Knowing how accurate iRacing tends to be, I find it surprising that its possible to go flat out around all four corners here at Indianapolis. I live in the area and I've been to 10+ Indy 500s and I've sat in all four corners and every single car goes full lift in the corners and i believe that they even break going into turn 1 and turn 3. I'm guessing that they're going around 180-190 through the corners as opposed to 220 on iRacing.
Quinn Reinhardt also, in the current generation of Indy Cars the draft is at least three times as powerful as it is here on iRacing. Every race for the past few years has had stretches where the lead changed EVERY single lap, sometimes twice per lap. Maybe the reason that it seems like they're breaking is because whoever was in second coming out of turn two is always in first coming into turn three going 240 because of the draft
Quinn Reinhardt It's all about downforce and the fixed setup has a ton of it, plus dirty air isn't as unstable as it is in the real world, it's just downforce loss. The car doesn't buffet like the real thing so easily can be noticed doing. Comparing to the telemetry they've shown during the race, the speeds are more than reasonable considering weather and setup variations. They don't go anywhere near as slow as 190 in the corners, it's well above 200 all the time. The cars in the 80s/90s did 190-200 in the corners - yet the DW12 is almost as fast despite having 200 fewer HP, all cornering speed. For reference, the fastest race lap in 2014 (2015 irrelevant given the new aero kits) was a 39.96 - given the setup isn't that great, about a second off the pace is about where you'd expect it.
Quinn Reinhardt No one wants to lead, that's half the problem. Fuel saving is irrelevant in a race like this, not so much for the first 400 miles of the 500. They also work together and have a shitload more respect for one another than the iRacing Indy Fixed crowd which doesn't know how to facilitate a pass and doesn't understand that being passed isn't the end of the world. 230-235 with a big tow. They might have hit 240 with ease in Q this year if the whole thing didn't get screwed up, but that's also with more boost and fully trimmed out with absolute minimal, unraceable levels of downforce.
Most of the time i sit on the short straight between 3 and 4 and its unbelievable how much faster the drafter is than the draftee. Going into turn 3 the driver behind goes past the driver ahead like he's standing still, at least a 20 mph difference, and then its heaving breaking for the faster car and full lifting for all the others. I think these iRacing indy cars have a little too much downforce compared to real life
Quinn Reinhardt If you are braking heavily at Indy in an Indycar something has gone terribly wrong. And again, the speeds match up with the real world, it's nowhere near as wrong as you think it is. Numbers don't lie. In the open series you get more passing because differing setups and you can use the incar adjustments to combat the aero push to keep your speed up onto the straights, while in the fixed series it's really hard to get close as you lose speed so much in the corners thanks to the push - making it seem like the draft is less effective than it is. The last car at the end I was chasing was a good example, I could gain a bit but then get into a bubble where I just can't get the car through the corner to keep closing in. The draft is too weak, I'd agree, but it isn't that bad in these cars. Believe me, I've won races with near max allowed wing and decently optimized ride heights (which is significant downforce) in this car here just by drafting like a mad man and leap frogging like in the real world. Variety of factors must be considered.
"It's not what it used to be" is something that's said about pretty much everything. Football, Baseball, IndyCar, NASCAR, Hockey...and non-sport related as well. Every generation thinks the new generation is soft or "different", usually with a negative connotation. Folks should just stop whining and learn to enjoy themselves.
Why are they weaving they are allowed 1 move to block so you can go inside but why are they going back outside I would have said "that's protestable bro" then they would stop. It's probably something about draft
zach thomas what they are doing is trying to break the draft. Also most of the time you are allowed 1 defensive move but you are allowed to move back to the racing line as long as it doesn't impede the car behind you
gforcefilms97 What they are doing is idiotic because they're scrubbing speed and defending their position by losing the pack in front and that draft and so ending up out of the race. If you notice the weaver Matt ended up behind at the end was 2 seconds behind the next car. I wonder why.
the problem is if the car infront of you does it you have to do it as well to draft off of them to be able to get close enough to make a move. You will see drivers doing this sort of move at Indy. It is kind of stupid but there is reason to it
I watched the last 30 laps or so of the Indy 500. It wasn't necessarily exciting. I never cared for the racing style. It's a slipstream battle and if you get to the inside, then the guy on that outside backs out of it. So I don't get it, I don't understand the appeal of the racing. I do understand and acknowledge the danger involved and think the drivers have to be crazy to compete, not just run one lap but 200 laps, but when its too dangerous/scary to go two wide and properly battle, then its too scary/extreme.
Empty Box Believe it or not, the place to pass wasn't necessarily the outside. In fact, that's quite wrong. The place to pass was the straightaways, by getting along the outside and forcing the car on the inside to back out of it not completely cleared yet.
I have huge respect for the drivers and the cars, but I just don't get the appeal of oval racing. And I don't think I ever will. I'm sure driving these cars IRL is hugely exciting, but it's catastrophically boring to watch. Being an European pleb maybe I've just haven't been exposed to it enough? I've tried some oval racing in sims (iRacing mainly) but got bored of it very quickly. I just don't get it. I want to enjoy it. That being said I still usually enjoy these videos ^^
osenmosen I personally find Indy oval racing a bagillion times more engaging than NASCAR for some reason. I've never watched a NASCAR race to completion, but I have an Indy race.
I don't understand the appeal if oval indy car racing. Oval racing is dominated by NASCAR, which is actually interesting, but indy cars are just boring
"And kind of while we're on that topic..." ...at 225 MPH....
I was so happy to hear you defending the 500! Just got back from this year's race and I am proud to say it is my 14th 500 in my short 16 year life :) Never ever has disappointed me! Brilliant race this year.
You hit the nail on the head there. People forget that racing is dangerous as you said. People always strive for better safety and in many ways there is still work to be done on safety but racing will never be safe. For as long as we are going 180 MPH down the mulsanne straight in a GTE, going 230 MPH down the mulsanne in a Porsche 919 or even going 233 MPH round a ridiculously fast oval racing will never be safe. People will always die when we go racing. The only way to make sure people don't die when they go racing is to never go racing at all and that will never happen.
George Day yes true but speed is racing that's there choice of how fast they want to go and how safe they want to be
I love Indianapolis because I'm more competitive there than anywhere else :P I've yet to have a single problem with managing aero wash and that's probably what helps my competence. Unfortunately luck is not on my side. Ran top 2 for 30 laps in 4 races with only four 6th places to show for it. I've managed to:
-Take the RHR line on a GWC restart only to find out it's bumpy as all hell, resulting in my car becoming a 200 mph lawn mower.
-Hit the kill switch right trying to talk to a guy in chat when I was only one of two who could win.
-Botch pit strategy and lose to a guy who qualified a second slower than me.
-And slap the wall trying to give a damaged car extra room.
The Andretti curse is dead, and it has been replaced with the Kite curse.
P.S. I've yet to race someone trustworthy that ran that Mountain Dew scheme.
Kite Mtn. Dew or Ferrari paint on an Indycar = you don't want anything to do with that driver.
Fancy seeing you here
a couple years ago I got to drive my lil car on the talledega track and even though it was only 120 mph running 120 into what looked like a giant wall was amazing....
So these guys running 220+ into a narrow 90 degree corner must be absolutely amazing and those drivers have got to have a pair that makes elephants envious.
That double pass was a thing of beauty though.
Love these videos, getting goose bumps watching!
I do agree that no form of motorsport isn't dangerous. But I was surprised to see approx. 1 big crash per practice session at Indy...
Guess everyone had to get used to the new aero sets. Not as in "aero sets are dangerous" but "aero sets make the handling different than it was the season before". And as you mentioned, some teams tried to go with as low settings as possible.
Btw: Nice flying physics on display with the Mountain Dew car at the end!
I’m glad Montoya is your favourite driver because he won only days after this video was uploaded.
I love these cars, and I love the Indy Oval, but I'm just a bigger fan of road racing as a driver. To watch, nothing beats ovals, Nascar and Indy Car put on some amazingly exciting stuff. Although I must say, without the danger, I wouldn't be as into motorsports as I am, I'm by no means an adrenaline junkie, but there's something about that risk reward ratio that really ignites a passion in me to drive.
James and I had the same teachers, i am from Oakville, On. and love watching your video. I do race at ASRacing for Nascar 2003 with three 24" monitors keep up the good work. By the way my Mom grew up next door to Bobby Orr lol, I no most likely not related.
just got back from the real race and it was awesome
I love Empty Box's commentary while hes driving, but I do miss his pedal CAM. Please bring back your pedal CAM Matt.
I like how the guy who cut you off at the beginning is the one who caused that huge flip.
themostawesome43fan So shocking, innit?
iRacing needs 3wide starts. Just for the "Indy 500" -Feel
Killeralpha16 But they do. They just did it about 10 hours ago.
Inbekannt I think I can speak for about everyone on iRacing, some people would not even make it INTO turn 1. But in another way, it would be cool to see.
michael575538 They didn't make it into the first turn in the real race either!\
Sam Stoner Yes very true. For some reason some real drivers and sim drivers
think they can win the race on turn 1.
Sam Stoner SAAAAATTTOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Had a race here the other day started 25/26 finished 9th. Only passed 1 car for an actual position everyone else crashed out or ran into the wall. Solid race really would do again /10
The problem is flat bottomed cars, while that flat bottom helps suck the car to the ground going forward when going sidways or backwards it just tends to act as a big kite. NASCAR limited this effect with the flaps and the vertical fin on the rear window and WEC did the same with the sharks fin and cutting holes in the top of the wheel arches. COULD IndyCar do the same and have two flaps pop up on the engine cover when going backwards?
GreyMatter2006 Indycars aren't flat bottomed at all, they have a pretty noticeable pair of tunnels (look at Helio's crash, you get as good of a look at the floor of these things as you ever will) which is how they generate a lot of their downforce. Turn it around backwards at 200 MPH, suddenly you have lift and a large surface area to act like a kite.
From what I've heard, they've done CFD work (which is really all that could be done, it'd be too expensive to fling cars backwards at that type of speed) supposedly testing NASCAR style flaps or tunnel blockers though getting either in a place they can be installed and be effective is a bigger challenge than one might think.
Empty Box It'll be interesting to see what they come up with
Damn you I kicked my sim racing habit a few years back...you are making me want to come out of retirement !
NJDEVIL91923 mwhahahahaha!
Do you play with the weight jacket at all? Every year I do this I bind WJ to my wheel buttons and seem to move it every 1/2 lap depending on traffic.
RutgersKev in fixed there's no wj function
RutgersKev In open yes, I use it a lot. It's crucial, I wish they'd enable it for the fixed as well as it helps passing a heck of a lot.
I didn't realize it was fixed.
Someone has a new video card...nice vid Matt.
Wow. Huge draft. And huge lifts. Wouldn't have anticipated lifting that much.
RutgersKev The setup isn't that awesome, let's put it that way.
That doesn't bode well for my Indy 500 attempt with the Fixed.
I can agree with you fully. But sadly its the same most racing series at the moment such as the F1. Yes there vacuum cleaners i can agree with that, but there vacuum cleaners with around 800 horsepower and a butt tone of torque. this can be shown at the recent Monaco Gran Prix were there doing around 200kph though the swimming pool and tell me would you do that with two walls center-meters away from a massive crash.
Man this looks like fun. I hope I can get my C license soon so I can try this.
MONTOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Ism Ael Yeah, what a beast yesterday.
Hey Matt, did u saw the Monaco GP? What you think of the race?
I tried to do one of these the other day to get some practice in traffic for the race next weekend. Started 14th of 25, two cars ahead smashed into each other lap one turn one and literally took out 15 people. Ridiculous.
Did you go to the actual Indy 500 race? I went to it today and just got home, checked your channel and what do ya know you're racing the indy 500 ! :)
I agree empty box. I am pretty young (
Ps. Empty Box. Huge fan
Those Taylor Swift lyrics at the start of the video. LOLS
***** Hey man!
I like It better when you do indy and trucks. I like the other videos but those I like to see
***** Basically the car is set up to turn left as easily as possible. So on straights he needs to keep the wheel right to counteract that.
Obviously, Matt, when a streamer says it, it must be true :D
Are you related to a race car driver by any chance?
Was your wheel badly centered or what?
JohnRock They center the wheel like that at ovals. It's so you don't have to put input in as much,
JohnRock It's because the car is supposed to turn left.
damn 360p!! Gonna have to wait a few more minutes to watch this...
Matt VS Matt for 8th
And....
Matt wins find out which one though!
Amen.
Knowing how accurate iRacing tends to be, I find it surprising that its possible to go flat out around all four corners here at Indianapolis. I live in the area and I've been to 10+ Indy 500s and I've sat in all four corners and every single car goes full lift in the corners and i believe that they even break going into turn 1 and turn 3. I'm guessing that they're going around 180-190 through the corners as opposed to 220 on iRacing.
Quinn Reinhardt also, in the current generation of Indy Cars the draft is at least three times as powerful as it is here on iRacing. Every race for the past few years has had stretches where the lead changed EVERY single lap, sometimes twice per lap. Maybe the reason that it seems like they're breaking is because whoever was in second coming out of turn two is always in first coming into turn three going 240 because of the draft
Quinn Reinhardt It's all about downforce and the fixed setup has a ton of it, plus dirty air isn't as unstable as it is in the real world, it's just downforce loss. The car doesn't buffet like the real thing so easily can be noticed doing.
Comparing to the telemetry they've shown during the race, the speeds are more than reasonable considering weather and setup variations. They don't go anywhere near as slow as 190 in the corners, it's well above 200 all the time. The cars in the 80s/90s did 190-200 in the corners - yet the DW12 is almost as fast despite having 200 fewer HP, all cornering speed.
For reference, the fastest race lap in 2014 (2015 irrelevant given the new aero kits) was a 39.96 - given the setup isn't that great, about a second off the pace is about where you'd expect it.
Quinn Reinhardt No one wants to lead, that's half the problem. Fuel saving is irrelevant in a race like this, not so much for the first 400 miles of the 500. They also work together and have a shitload more respect for one another than the iRacing Indy Fixed crowd which doesn't know how to facilitate a pass and doesn't understand that being passed isn't the end of the world.
230-235 with a big tow. They might have hit 240 with ease in Q this year if the whole thing didn't get screwed up, but that's also with more boost and fully trimmed out with absolute minimal, unraceable levels of downforce.
Most of the time i sit on the short straight between 3 and 4 and its unbelievable how much faster the drafter is than the draftee. Going into turn 3 the driver behind goes past the driver ahead like he's standing still, at least a 20 mph difference, and then its heaving breaking for the faster car and full lifting for all the others. I think these iRacing indy cars have a little too much downforce compared to real life
Quinn Reinhardt
If you are braking heavily at Indy in an Indycar something has gone terribly wrong.
And again, the speeds match up with the real world, it's nowhere near as wrong as you think it is. Numbers don't lie.
In the open series you get more passing because differing setups and you can use the incar adjustments to combat the aero push to keep your speed up onto the straights, while in the fixed series it's really hard to get close as you lose speed so much in the corners thanks to the push - making it seem like the draft is less effective than it is.
The last car at the end I was chasing was a good example, I could gain a bit but then get into a bubble where I just can't get the car through the corner to keep closing in.
The draft is too weak, I'd agree, but it isn't that bad in these cars. Believe me, I've won races with near max allowed wing and decently optimized ride heights (which is significant downforce) in this car here just by drafting like a mad man and leap frogging like in the real world. Variety of factors must be considered.
Cleanest oval race ever?
"It's not what it used to be" is something that's said about pretty much everything. Football, Baseball, IndyCar, NASCAR, Hockey...and non-sport related as well. Every generation thinks the new generation is soft or "different", usually with a negative connotation. Folks should just stop whining and learn to enjoy themselves.
Kewl.
not enough truxxing.
Why are they weaving they are allowed 1 move to block so you can go inside but why are they going back outside I would have said "that's protestable bro" then they would stop. It's probably something about draft
zach thomas Weaving isn't protestable, blocking is. You can make as many moves as you want, you just can't impede another car's progress.
Empty Box oh
zach thomas what they are doing is trying to break the draft. Also most of the time you are allowed 1 defensive move but you are allowed to move back to the racing line as long as it doesn't impede the car behind you
gforcefilms97 What they are doing is idiotic because they're scrubbing speed and defending their position by losing the pack in front and that draft and so ending up out of the race.
If you notice the weaver Matt ended up behind at the end was 2 seconds behind the next car. I wonder why.
the problem is if the car infront of you does it you have to do it as well to draft off of them to be able to get close enough to make a move. You will see drivers doing this sort of move at Indy. It is kind of stupid but there is reason to it
Pretty sure the Mountain Dew guy is dead
I watched the last 30 laps or so of the Indy 500.
It wasn't necessarily exciting. I never cared for the racing style. It's a slipstream battle and if you get to the inside, then the guy on that outside backs out of it. So I don't get it, I don't understand the appeal of the racing.
I do understand and acknowledge the danger involved and think the drivers have to be crazy to compete, not just run one lap but 200 laps, but when its too dangerous/scary to go two wide and properly battle, then its too scary/extreme.
Jay Smoothe The place to pass was on the outside at the end of it, you must not have been paying attention to it all.
Empty Box Believe it or not, the place to pass wasn't necessarily the outside. In fact, that's quite wrong. The place to pass was the straightaways, by getting along the outside and forcing the car on the inside to back out of it not completely cleared yet.
Weight Jacker. Stupid iPhone.
I have huge respect for the drivers and the cars, but I just don't get the appeal of oval racing. And I don't think I ever will. I'm sure driving these cars IRL is hugely exciting, but it's catastrophically boring to watch. Being an European pleb maybe I've just haven't been exposed to it enough? I've tried some oval racing in sims (iRacing mainly) but got bored of it very quickly. I just don't get it. I want to enjoy it. That being said I still usually enjoy these videos ^^
osenmosen I personally find Indy oval racing a bagillion times more engaging than NASCAR for some reason. I've never watched a NASCAR race to completion, but I have an Indy race.
BORING
WOLVESFC Yes, your comment was.
Y u watching?
WOLVESFC rekt
I don't understand the appeal if oval indy car racing. Oval racing is dominated by NASCAR, which is actually interesting, but indy cars are just boring