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@@Robin_Robout Yeah. Something I liked about Fates is how customizable everything is, even with certain characters having access to classes that were usually restricted by gender such as Fighter and Troubadour.
I don't care if I end up disagreeing with you (though I probably won't), I shall like this video for the Xenoblade music, and leave a comment to please the algorithm.
looks like you forgot shigure from fates. constance from 3 houses could also count since she joins as a dark flier, but excluding her is understandable if you haven't played cindered shadows
You can technically get Shigure as early as chapter 6-7 in birthright and revelation while in those games you can get caeldori early as the chapter after Sabaki joins
I strongly agree, without Ingrid and her insane dodges, I wouldn't have defeated Edelgard and later Nemesis on the Golden Deer route. She was one of the best units in that maddening run.
Re: Ingrid. I got around her awful durability at the start by setting heras Byleth's Adjunct so she levelled up alongside Byleth until she got to a point where she was useful. After that, she was a crucial part of a lot of maps such as remire village and any that needed switches or levers pulled.
She's so good. She really is a power house and a great utility unit. It also helps that fliers were significantly buffed, especially with that Wait/Avoid class bonus.
The units you will be restarting chapters over. I've had actually so many times where especially in fe7 my peg knights would get shot down by Batista. At least some of them are actually really useful especially in rescue straits.
If FE3 Book 2 Palla already wasn’t that game’s best unit (at least in outdoor maps), she should be in S-tier for that great portrait alone, that game in general has some pretty good ones, that and I love characters who do little poses in their portraits rather than just show their faces.
"If her dad is Claude, she's going to be at her worst." Mekkkah, as the prophet of the Claude!Fee church, you wound me. Do you know the benefits of a Claude!Fee? She gets holy blood. Holy blood! This means instead of the pitiful C rank staffs that Fee normally gets on promotion, only letting her use Heal and Mend, she can now use every staff in the freaking game! (Aside from her brother's Valkyria.) This means you can have a flier with Physic, or Fortify, or Ward, or whatever you need! Sure, her combat will be less than stellar, but the sheer utility you get from having a staff flier is too much for me to sit down and let you write her off as this being her "worst incarnation."
She can't use Rescue or Fortify. But Restore/Recover/Physic are very nice things for her to have, and the high resistance makes her ignore all the status staffs in the last two chapters. She's a bit shaky early on (though still fine because inheritance can fix most of her issues) but I'd say Claude!Fee is outright her best incarnation for chapter 10/Final. She still kills dark mages easily and has solid combat against most other units, but also brings very good staff utility (she's the best Restore user in the game due to having more move than anyone else except for Leif, whose resistance can get him put to sleep) with no fear of status staffs or non-boss magic attackers.
@@greenstat1c Arguable, since Arden gives her higher str/def than Claude, so that Fee is better at 1-range combat. It's not like she needs the speed to double. Claude!Fee isn't really bad though considering how good it makes her magic, and sometimes the use of Physic is nice.
Real comment time and not Pokemon copypasta: - I usually recommend forging FE11 Caeda's first Wing Spear to +6 MT because this lets her OHKO armor knights. She only needs +4 MT for cavaliers and horsemen. - Karin can flier cheese escape maps like chapter 9 and chapter 13 because she can give Leif to someone and then dismount to become rescuable herself. Worth pointing out. - I don't really see how Fiora can be placed above Florina. Non-LM Florina can catch up to Fiora's base stats by the time she joins, but she also has 4 and a half chapters of availability in which she does a lot of flier / mount utility work. So non-LM Florina would be almost strictly better than Fiora, and LM Florina would blow Fiora out of the water. I feel like Vanessa is too high in A tier? I know that for LTC especially, she has problems with gaining levels reliably while Seth is plowing through the game and often won't be ready to promote when you need her to, with another problem being how costly the Elysian Whip is to get. And by the time that Cormag joins with another Elysian Whip, he is just better. Basically it seems that she has the same problems as Shanna and Florina. In casual efficiency, these can be worked around because you wouldn't factor in the turn costs of getting items, but if you're going at this slower pace, then Florina should have plenty of opportunities to catch up and perform similarly in the context of her own game.
I think you’re understating Non-LM Florina’s stat problems in relationship to Fiora. Despite FE7’s reputation for low enemy stats, 9 speed on a lance unit with low con is extremely mediocre, and in combination with her low base strength makes her combat extremely bad. She’s liable to get doubled by fast enemies if she equips an iron lance while often being unable to double even Weighed down Pegasus knights, and has awful power when using the slim lance (same as base Rebecca), which rarely even lets her double since many enemy types typically don’t go below 7 speed for a while (Cavs, Nomads, mages), which would be out of range even with a level up. Hector hard mode’s exp penalties also hurt her more than most because she has an awful enemy phase and struggles to get kills the most of your units outside of Rebecca. Meanwhile Fiora has a notably easier time getting leveled because she can actually double most enemies in her join map with a slim lance, she has a decent hard hitting option that she can use and not put herself in extreme danger in the axereaver, and joins before a very good map for leveling units (19x). While she shares many of the problems Florina has, it should be noted that she is significantly faster compared to Florina, with +4/5 AS depending on the weapon used when comparing the two at base, which is a massive gap (7/9 level ups on average), especially since Fiora still isn’t as fast as would be ideal for certain situations (she would like +1 speed/promotion for more consistent doubling with better weapons in the upcoming chapters). This annoyance for Fiora is a significant source of problems for Florina, who wouldn’t consistently double in Fiora’s join chapter trained with a slim lance (about 70% chance of 11+ speed at level 7 trained which isn’t awful, but not consistent, especially since nomads often have 8 speed). Also to be considered is utilizing Florina’s flyer utility often hurts her exp gain as well, since the more you utilize it, the less kills she can get. The amount of bias or luck need for her to be better or even equal to Fiora is massive, since her speed is practically guaranteed to be notably worse, and as stated before, Fiora still doesn’t hit a fair few thresholds at base. Tl;dr - I think that Fiora is a lot better than LM Florina because LM Florina has trash combat for a long time.
@@carpediem6841 We have to set some ground rules for what kind of playstyle we're talking about, because how Florina and Fiora play out greatly depends on whether you're going super fast or taking a bit more time. If you're going the full LTC route (minus rigging), then Florina and Fiora are both going to be pretty bad combat-wise. You want a falcoknight for chapter 21 and possibly even earlier, which forces you to early promote a pegasus knight and they will be pretty bad for the rest of the game. In that case it is basically a strict comparison of flier utility, where Florina wins by being able to do stuff for a full 5 chapters more than Fiora (because Fiora joins at the tail end of chapter 19). Some of this is pretty important, like dropping Marcus across the cliff in chapter 16. Despite Florina's bad bases, you can grind her the 5 or so levels that she needs to catch up to Fiora's bases in this LTC context, at which point they are functionally similar. So in this case, Florina > Fiora due to availability. If you're going a casual efficiency approach where you can take a few more turns per map, then Florina can potentially gain a lot more EXP. If she can catch up to Fiora in LTC, then she will surpass Fiora's bases in this casual efficiency context, while still having the availability lead. So in this case, Florina > Fiora due to availability and stats. I suppose we can disagree about whether this is or isn't undue "favoritism," since your point seems to be that Florina is so bad at fighting that it's extremely hard to do even the basic task of setting up kills for her and funneling EXP into her that way - which I don't really agree with. Nearly all of the pegasus knights on this tier list below S tier (plus Marcia) demand lots of favoritism to perform well enough to deserve their high placements on the tier list.
dondon151 I’m more speaking to casual efficiency rather than LTC, which I’m less familiar with, and I’m sure gives Florina the upper hand. I don’t necessarily think it’s extremely hard to set up kills for Florina, I just think that you have to do it an excessive amount for a unit like Florina, without a very notable payoff since she’ll end up very similar to Fiora, if not a bit worse. I’m not sure what exact level you’re thinking for Florina, but it seems to be rather high if she has stat leads on Fiora (I.e. level 10+), which doesn’t seem possible to me without sending her to 17x and feeding her high level pirates or taking an excessive amount of time on ch 18 to feed her kills. I tend to lean more on the casual efficiency side of things when I play, but I don’t typically spend more than 3 or 4 turns on pirate ship, and dislike using her in 17x if I’m baiting the pirates due to reliability issues with the pirates. Like I said, I’m not sure what exactly the level estimates are for Florina for a given chapter, but it comes off as very high, because Florina needs to beat Fiora in level by a good amount to have any lead in speed or a notable lead in strength. As far as the favoritism thing goes, while I do think some level of favoritism can be extended to Florina, since she has an extremely good class, I find the favoritism needed to get her actual combat up to a passable level very tedious compared to most other units, both on this list, and in general. I suppose my main point of disagreement would be how high of a level she would be, so I’ll end it by asking how high of a level should Florina be in your mind in the maps between her join map and 19.
@@carpediem6841 ruadath had her at L7.67 going into chapter 19. This was in an LTC context, so some rigging was involved, but he also completely skipped chapter 17x. So I'd say those two cancel out approximately, and then when you factor in the slower pace of casual efficiency, level 9-10 seems pretty reasonable. Honestly it could be higher if you wanted to apply extreme favoritism.
dondon151 Well, I suppose that if you bring her to 17x, she’ll be able to reach higher level, but I’m not sure how reasonable getting 2 to 3 extra levels would be without camping out ch 18, or giving her some excessive levels in 16/17x. Then we get into to the problem of her stats at 8/maybe 9, not exactly being better than Fiora. Like I stated in my first response, Florina is notably slower than Fiora, who has some speed issues, and Florina’s speed is notably worse, with a lower average and lower reliability to gain that average. Her strength is slightly better than Fiora at level 9 on average, but it’s hardly a guarantee, and they have very similar growths. I’ll leave it at this - I have a disagreement with saying a unit who needs to be excessively babied for a bad strength/speed trade off with another unit is better than that unit. Even with the extra maps, that has to considered with the excessive babying and worse combat for a decent amount of maps after both join
Nice, Xenoblade music! I still haven't used Florina in any playthrough. I would've put Fiora in the mid/late section, but that's me. Fiora's great. I find that later on, Farina and Heath overtake her (except in speed), but she's still great.
I feel that Hinoka is a bit underrated, her bases are extremelly high for her level, and her growths are stupidly good, she doesn't have a real weak stat at any point of the game. Also Falcoknights on Fates can use staves, so you can easily rescue units or heal with their high mobility. A fates run that i made, I directly made Hinoka spear fighter at level 10, and she became way better than Oboro, and Oboro isn't a mediocre unit. Looking more at the tier, and where Sumia is, yeah, she should be there, but idk, just felt to point that out.
That video is also really old and like I explain, my opinion got a little worse. But yeah also gaps between units in that game are huge. Top 8 leaves room for Rutger, Perceval, Milady, dancer, Alance and then some. Some of these are not S tier.
@@Mekkkah Allan/Lance are not better than Shanna at all. The possibilities they lack compare to her because of terrain are massive, and they are not OP combat units either, just very nice.
To help you with the Fates fliers: • In Birthright, Hinoka is a very solid unit with good bases and good growths thanks to being a royal. She's one of the few mounted units in Hoshido, which automatically makes her viable: rescue-dropping, avoiding terrain like swamps, water, acid and deserts, gains staves as a Falcon Knight. Her personal skill gives +2 damage to all allies within 2 spaces, and she comes with the Guard Naginata, a weaker Steel Naginata without the -3 Speed and instead gives +5 Def/Res; in addition to her already solid defenses of 9 and 15, she now has 14 Def and 20 Res, making her a flying tank if need be. Nobody can use C lances yet, and the only competition are Subaki and Oboro. She comes with Darting Blow, pushing her speed to 21 when initiating. Even her base speed of 16 is only rivaled by Kaze whose damage output is lower. She's also a good candidate for the Bolt Naginata. I feel like Hinoka is better than Sumia, as while Sumia is great, she needs some babysitting and requires to be paired with Frederick or Kellam to be viable when she joins, while Hinoka is good to go immediately. • In Revelation, she's not as amazing, as she joins much later and competes with Camilla who joins earlier and is stronger, even if slower and less accurate, but she remains solid. • Subaki... is not great. HOWEVER, he's not useless, far from it. His combat is below average, but he makes great use of his flying advantages, in the same way as Shanna and Karin. He joins 1 chapter and 3 levels before Hinoka, but already has the same Skill, and Defense as Hinoka with 1 less point in HP and Strength. His HP & Defense growths are good and he has an amazing Skill growth. Combined with his personal skill that gives him +15 Hit/Avo when at full HP and the availability of the Guard Naginata, Subaki can become a reliable bulky flier that never misses. Sadly, his offense isn't good at all; by the halfway point, he's already started falling off a bit depending on his growths, and by the final quarter... yeah, forget using him for any offense. A solid option is to early promote him into Falcon Knight and work on his staff rank to turn him into a bulky flying healer and status inflicter. In Birthright, I'd say he's easily better than Clair, for a similar reason to Hinoka vs Sumia. He doesn't require babysit and can take hits; unlike Clair, his offense drops, but he's viable from the start and remains useful, even if said utility changes. • Same concept for Revelation, but worse. Hinoka joins later, so he can't take advantage of the Guard Naginata she comes with, you have access to Camilla early, and the lack of Hinoka makes Reina's presence even more impactful than in BR. Use him for flying utility, then bench when Reina arrives.
I disagree on Subaki being bad. He joins extremely early in both routes he's avaiable in, which is extremely useful in Rev, due to him being the only flier for a while (that alone makes him a great unit in Rev). He doesn't have the best stats of the roster, but he is in a game where there are a lot of ways to circumvent stat deficienies, such as pair up, reclasses or tonics. And even with that aspect removed, he is surprisingly tanky, which not many units in Birthright can claim. And when completely falls off stat-wise, Ryoma will handle all the combat anyway. Also, prepromoting him to Falcoknight enables all kinds of rescue-strats, due to rescue having fixed range and requiring an E rank. I hope I made my thoughts clear.
Aside from clair's positioning i agree with pretty much all of this. I think Clair makes a strong case for D tier and a slightly weaker but still valid case for E
sumia and chrom build support really fast and give each other enough speed to double even on lunatic if you solo you can probably grab galeforce around midgame rally speed is also really nice and requires less investment can also reclass to great knight for Luna and defense
I think the biggest problem with subaki is that Hinoka joins 1 chapter after him and is just better in every aspect. He is useful to transport units in that chapter because it's a desert chapter though. Then a few chapters later you will get Reina and you know how good that girl is. Soon after that Scarlet joins as well and Takumi can promote into a flier too so there are a so many better options. The only good thing that subaki has to offer is his daughter (who is also better then him but not worth picking over the others) and a reclass to a samurai which can turn him in a dodge tank... When his HP are full. And instead of reclassing him you could reclass jakob into an early game Great Knight who get's exp like an unpromoted unit. Subaki has his use in the escape chapter but that goes for every flier because the "rescue mechanic" in this game doesn't require constitution. But if you really want to have 3 fliers at that point of the game (or just play him anyway in this chapter it's a good candidate to be skipped) you could S Rank Silas with someone to catch the Boss of sophies chapter. And while I think that Hinoka isn't that great as well, Subaki is just outpowered by everyone else. Even Hana is more useful if you reclass her to a cleric because after her promotion in a priestess she can use her stronger offensive stat plus reaching S Rank Staffs. But that's another story. In conclusion: Subaki is not completly trash - but there are so many other units that he can't keep up with after a short amount of time. Investing in other units is much more worth.
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx Thea joins in ch 10 of B route Fiora joins in ch 19 (-10 lm +1 Gaiden) basically ch 10 Cordelia joins in ch 7 Reina joins in ch 11 rev(-6 prologue) makes it basically ch 5 Tana joins in ch 9 of both routes
23:39 It is actually written Hermina in heroes polls now (until they change their minds again). I think it's quite funny going from latin word for woman (Femina) to a different name (with no origin nor meaning consensus but female form of Herman is one I like) but still kinda of means the same thing to an English speaker. I can just assume for heroes whoever was assigned to naming duty thought fem was a bit lewd and found a good escape clause.
Not quite the same as a tier list idea but I would love to see a list of niche usage units and what they can contribute to their respective games. Things like your Canas strats in FE7 negative and dark bishop seteth are really funny but also interesting because they're unique applications of units you don't usually see. Doesn't have to be a concrete ranking, but it would be cool to have a bunch of one-off uses for units
If Claude is Fee's dad, she gets B staves on promotion, which lets her use warp, recover, physic, and restore, but I don't know how much better or worse that makes her considering what it does to her skills and stats.
Reina joins in chapter 11(rev)/13(birthright), and since nobody should ever count the first six chapters of any Fates route, I'd say that's enough to put them in the "early" category. -Also will the separate mid/late include Aversa?-
"Is there such a thing as a bad pegasus?" Yes, his name is Subaki. No str, utility for one chapter in Revelations (The wind tribe one) cuz he is the only one who can fly and then he's useless.
I haven't played Revelations, I just played Birthright hard so far. I'm gonna finish conquest eventually but in BR he was... fine i guess. Honestly i spent more time just using him as someone to fill a character slot while the big boys did all the work.
If you give him every single resource possible with no extra stat boosts or whatever, he can solo the game with Corrin in Birthright. That doesn’t mean anything though because I was able to do it with even Hana, anyone with a Def stat can solo Birthright easily. Of course, in a normal playthrough with no babying, he’s trash.
@@birdoisunderrated1938 this is honestly the best way to put it. He's "amazing" but only if you force feed him everything and in that case nearly every character is amazing
Units you could include for the next part are child characters from awakening/fates like shigure. for three houses, what you explained for flayn also goes for manuela. also constance is dark flier (the only native one afaik). as you made elincia count, i think that one shoud too.
@@LP-zn8sc by that logic he would need to exclude elincia and reina as well. elincia has a flying class that combines magic and strenght, just like dark flier, although in a different way and a kinshi isnt even a peg to begin with. but dlc is a point. you can recruit dlc characters without making use of any other dlc stuff in fe16 so i dont think its a huge deal but that subjective
@@l.n.3372 according to that logic , Units like minerva or michalis should be on the list too, cause theyre nonpegs promoting from pegs just like raina
@@jtd2787 Not really the same. That's purely lore based: Minerva cannot start as a Pegasus, so you never see her as such. Reina quite literally has all the Pegasus skills which directly shows how she didn't start as an archer into Kinshi instead. Hence she was a Pegasus quite obviously. As for Mekkah not including her, I think Reina should have been on a pre promoted tier list instead along with Scarlett. Simply because her bases, class and weapon rank are too good to compare to non promoted mid game Pegasus.
I'm playing Birthright Lunatic right now and Subaki with a Rinkah pair up carried me through the earlygame, I feel like his defensive and flying capabilities might be a little underappreciated, but maybe that's just me. But aside that I didn't feel like hinoka brings a lot of (other) things to the table? Since there's some competiton for the guard naginata, and I find that Oboro greatly benefits from one and I don't feel like she's all that great without it?
Im very biased as Marcia is my favorite FE character but Im glad you just barely put her in S tier lol, in PoR shes kind of insane imo shes the best character in PoR after Titania, because she has decent str growth, high spd growth, and her def/res growths arent terrible, not to mention she has decent bases (8 str 11 spd at level 5). And you already mentioned how shes a little underleveled when she joins, but can be offset with BXP, and can use the full guard which you get almost exactly halfway in the game. Not to mention that you can also forge her a max MT weapon (or multiple) because you get so much money in Tellius. You also get her before most cavs, since we know PoR is just a cav dominant game, as the only ones you have at that point are Oscar and Titania, though you do get Kieran soon after 100% biased tho
37:53 That Vanessa durability vs FE7 girls comment, I think part of her perceived betterbdurability might be because she gets chapters where she gets to face higher concentrations of magic enemies
The moment you mentioned Clair I was thinking about how ridersbane carried her through the early levels but it probably would've been better on Clive, and then you said the exact same thing a minute later. Also I did play through all of part two without Palla and Catria. It was the worst thing ever.
Very happy to see this. Pegasus Knight is clearly the best class in Fire Emblem. And no, Shadow Dragon being the first one I played doesn't colour my opinion at all...
As someone who just recently did a lunatic Awakening run, Sumia is definitely a good unit, but not overpowered. Did the Frederick pairing and it helped both of them, Frederick more with doubling early game units and Sumia with bulk midgame. Falcoknights having staves and rescue being E rank and mass buyable meant that even when Sumia stopped being a reliable juggernaut (Awakening scaling gets scary late game) she could still contribute with teleporting Robin around and other units away from danger. Plus they get rally speed at level 5 which helps for hitting certain benchmarks. In hard mode you can probably go dark flier for more juggernauting potential. I know this is anecdotal but it's my general feel on how she played. This run wasn't using any grinding and only a few paralogues (The first four for Donnel/Anna, the one for Tiki and the one for Morgan) for added context; were I to do more paralogues she probably could've held up better late game. Overall I agree with her placement on this list in the A tier, just wanted to add my two cents since you said you were lacking much experience with her.
In Golden Deer, I made Ingrid into a Dark Flier because her magic was higher than her Strength so I trained her in Reason and Swords for Hexblade and she was a beast
Ingrid is an interesting case. She can get alert stance fairly quickly and has a high speed growth so she serves as an excellent dodge tank mid to late game. This automatically makes her better than many of the other pegasus knights who just kinda get hit and die. However, she isnt the best dodge tank in the game so that makes it a little awkward to rank her in regards to other pegasus knights.
I'm actually liking Ingrid in my Blue Lions maddening run. Her overkill speed is actually necessary in this mode to double a lot of things that all my other units can't (and my Byleth and Dimitri are both speed screwed) and she benefits a lot from being a flier way earlier than everyone else. She paid off way quicker than Sylvain did. That said, I focused a lot on the main group in preparation for Reunion Before Dawn so I've neglected all the faculty like Catherine in favour of continuing to train weaker students.
I disagree with Clair being so low, one of your statements about other hnits needed Lance's isnt the best. Forsyth isnt that great, Lukas won't see much combat on Alms open maps, and Clive is utter garbage(at least in Echoes), you get Zeke later but that's Way later and Mathilda is the only other worthwhile unit to use. Clair is honestly no bad when it comes to Alms route
Clair is complete garbage. Trash base str, trash base HP, trash base defense, trash base level. Alm route is so full of archers Clair is not safe anywhere. Whatever isn't a bow unit kills Clair in 2 hits and Clair does 1x2 damage to it. Clive on the other hand is pretty solid, good base str, good base HP, good base def, and salvageable spd (same base spd as Clair btw). He can help all throughout Act 3 and Act 4, no rule says you can't use both Clive and Mathilda.
@@Juan-zs6jt I never said you cant use both Clive and Mathilda but Mathilda comes halfway through act 2 which is far worse then Clair coming in halfway through Act 1. Clive is alright at first hes a slightly less bulky more movable Lukas but that's his only feat. At least later on Clair gets effectiveness agasint Monsters. What you described is literally the pegasus stereotype. Which can be fixed by stat fountains and such(at least in Echoes.
@@kai_824 Clair's effectiveness against monsters means jack because you barely fight monsters in Alm's. Clair's strength is so trash she wouldn't be able to kill them. Silver Sword Kliff, mages, and Hunter's Volley are much better at killing at monsters because they are good at killing enemies period. Fountains! Clair doesn't have any claim to those. 2 Spd for Silque to get Warp, 1 Spd for Paladin Clive. 3 Magic for Silque. No early fountains left for Clair. Even if she takes them, she is not gonna kill anything. She is a pegasus stereotype that actually happens, the other earlygame pegasus knights overcome their weakenesses by being ferries or having actual base stats. Clair's base stats are total trash and she cannot ferry.
She was actually on my final team, she was better than Est, but couldn't keep up with Palla and Catria. She was good regardless though, one shotted or two shotted a couple of enemies.
Well as for Clive, I benched him as soon as I could cus he was constantly either dying, missing or not dealing enough damage (it's been a year since I played Echoes but I remember fucking TOBIN saving Clive from enemies before, Clair on the other hand had WAY more survivability because she constantly dodged or engaged monsters/mage units well EDIT: Clive has a 1 Res :'D he is basically useless after the game picks up with Witches, Nuibaba's abode and so on.
Fee with Claude as her father is actually pretty good from my experience. She gets B in staves and can fly around using physic, and magic swords keep her damage fine.
I recently started a BL maddening run and I was expecting Ingrid to be pretty bad for the same reasons you described, but her early performance wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be, though this may just be personal experience. She got 1 strength level until level 10, but since I focused on axes it got brought up to the brigand base and she mastered strength +2 her strength was kinda fine even when initially screwed. Plus she picked up a decent amount of speed to avoid doubles early on. Obviously she wasn’t amazing but I was expecting to bench her early on
Mekkah, that sounds like the Colony 9 night theme from Xenoblade in the background. Just curious, are you a Xenoblade fan or did you put it in because it's good, relaxing background music?
There's actually music from both Xenoblade 1 and 2 through the tierlist. From XC2, there's Fonsett Village, Ancient Ship, Fonsa Myma night theme, the music that plays in Torigoth before the main area and one of the main Elysium themes.
@@greenhardin1700 It's definitely very anime but it's a really fun game. I think the gameplay is better than XC1, but there is an annoying gacha system (no money but just rolling random stuff for good blades), and the story is a bit more tropey. I'd say the music is better even, the XC2 music is just so good (XC1 is also amazing don't get me wrong).
Marcia is still fantastic in FE9 Maniac Mode. The big difference is that she does fall off late; so does literally everyone eventually except for Ike, but it happens a little faster for Marcia due to her lower STR cap and lack of access to axes, meaning she stops being able to reliably ORKO enemies with forged Silver weapons sooner than units like Jill or the paladins (though to be clear, this effect is worse for Titania than for Marcia, because even at level 20 there are caps she can't even reach). On the flip side, Marcia is so incredibly valuable early in the game that it more or less makes up for the late drop off - the flying utility is even more valuable when, e.g., there are more siege tomes and the siege tomes are more threatening.
I have found that Ingrid solo's maps. Completely on her own. Byleth and her; And she's f*cking great. This was maddening before dlc. Then after, I'm in golden deer right now and she is still soloing part two maps with the chalice. Silver sword plus Gives her atk and it's light enough so she doesn't get weighed down. Her only drawback is of course, the armor knights. But flying over and passed them to boss kill is always an option
Gonna comment on early TRS pegasus knights Sasha: really shitty start as princess but u need try to get her to promo before split 1 and promotion has her one mastery point away from Levin Swords which are busted on outdoor maps and dominates most of midgame especially on Runan Route. Kinda suffers lategame due to indoors where Pegasus Knights lose a lot of magic which hurts their ability to use Levins. She gets Vantage at level 8 and paragon at level 10 with adept at 15 in top of being a strong candidate for Super Proof. Draco promo can make her a little bit better if u do it late game since she is indoors. B tier Martel: earlygame pegasus with lots of mobility, starts with 5 wpn level but has sufficient time to get to Levin which is 8 wpn level in TRS. Performs as well as Sasha roughly once she gets there but can potentially get to levins earlier and not as bad of a start compared to Sasha and gets earth saint which is a decent skill where she does a critical hit ignoring terrain bonuses. A tier Frau: Joins map 15 on Holmes route but is a mastery potion away from using Levin Swords at base and is a strong candidate for it at that point in the game where it's like a map or two after she joins. Gets Anti-Evil at 25 which is basically Slayer and comes at a relatively convenient point in the game (late split 2 to split 3) in either Runan or Holmes route where u fight monsters more frequently at that stage in the game. Suffers same problem as other pegasus knights where her combat kinda blows indoors but she is a good candidate for dragon flute if you are going to pick one for late game promotion. Going to give her A tier since she comes early enough and roughly does as well as Sasha and Martel from the moment she joins to the end of the game.
I think that most TRS players would place Martel in the same echelon of units as Narron and Raffin. She's generally considered one of the best units in the game and is an easy placement in S tier. The chapter 1 WLV Plus practically has her name written on it because it transforms her from having iffy combat to amazing flying 1-2 range. Sasha is just Martel with 10 chapters of investment before she pays off and does kind of the same thing with a higher lategame ceiling. Having a second pegasus knight is good because you can split them up between Runan and Holmes. Probably A tier based on being Martel without an earlygame. Frau I have never used seriously, but she joins 10-11 chapters later than Martel with nearly identical base stats? I don't see how she could even be in the same tier as Sasha, who not only has a couple of chapters of availability as pegasus knight, but will also have much better stats. She just has diminishing returns when you already have Martel, Raffin, and potentially Sasha as leveled up fliers, and unlike Martel, she can't claim an easy WLV Plus to get her out of an offensive rut. You can make her work, but it takes her time to get going and she already joins halfway into the game. I'd put her in B tier at best.
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is this a pokemon reference?
@@lugero7579 Yeah it's the Pokemon Fan Club guy from RBY
ayy pokemon fanclub prez reference lol
also obviously Palla is the best
Can I have my Elysian Whip voucher now?
Count me in.
I dont know why there is Xenoblade music but I absolutely approve it!
I remember him saying he's never played the games but really likes the music in a recent stream so that's probably why :)
I know push for him to play xenoblade de when it comes out. (Push in a nice way do not go "play this game or I will unsub"
Xenoblade 2 has my all time favourite soundtrack, so this is a great if you ask me.
Honestly, watching Mekkah try to play through XC would be great. I mean, in that game, dodge-tanking is a reliable strategy
You're all about the XC hype but I distinctly hear dem sweet XenoX tune
I love how the 2 Elincias and Sigrun look like an evolution chain XD
Princess Elician evolve to Queen Elician! Evolve to ... Sigrun?
Elincia (Normal/Flying)
_level 23->_
Queen Elincia (Grass/Flying)
_dawn stone->_
Sigrun (Fairy/Flying)
Lv: 7 / Lv: 24 / Lv: 69
Play BURNING SIGIL today!
Just noticed how tiny Florina's potrait is lol
So cute!
don't lewd the pagasus loli :)
Also
FIORAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
(Geddit because Xenoblade music haha)
@@ChoiceSnarf
No
@@ggamer3023
I fell in love at first sight when I saw Florina though.
We live in a Whitewing world, and Palla is our god
Subaki was invited to girl pajama party
He’s the kinda guy to pretend to be gay to end up at the sleepover
"Perfect!"
I am kinda sad that they gender locked riding flying horses again after opening it up.
@@Robin_Robout Yeah. Something I liked about Fates is how customizable everything is, even with certain characters having access to classes that were usually restricted by gender such as Fighter and Troubadour.
@@Robin_Robout that’s what makes Subaki one of the more memorable characters for me though. People crap on fates but it was unique in some great ways
“Is there such a thing as a bad pegasus?” As someone who always had bad luck with pegasus knight growths... Yes.
Syrene
Marcia: joins early (chapter 9 path of radiance)
Cordelia joins mid/late (chapter 7 awakening)
Flawless logic
I suppose it's because Cordelia joins after Sumia.
@@PeevedLatias And Fiora joins after Florina, yet both are "early game".
@@Omojuze41 and let alone Fiora is actually mid-game
@@Omojuze41 i think the mid game line in fe 7 is exactly when you enter bern most exactly the chapter called the attack of the four fangs
I don't care if I end up disagreeing with you (though I probably won't), I shall like this video for the Xenoblade music, and leave a comment to please the algorithm.
looks like you forgot shigure from fates. constance from 3 houses could also count since she joins as a dark flier, but excluding her is understandable if you haven't played cindered shadows
Yeah if Cynthia counts so should Shigure.
Caelidori or whatever too
You can technically get Shigure as early as chapter 6-7 in birthright and revelation while in those games you can get caeldori early as the chapter after Sabaki joins
@@xoidbergskywalker9139 do you mean anagram Cordelia lol
Constance doesn’t have a proficiency in Lance
*Reads Title*
I'd ESTimate that there will be at least a few bad ones
*see's description*
Well nvm....
"Uuuuhhhhh where is E-"
*checks description*
"Oh."
What did it used to say?
Reuben from Stitch Est
I used Ingrid in my SIlver Snow maddening route, and she was one of the only viable units by the end thanks to her massive speed growths.
I strongly agree, without Ingrid and her insane dodges, I wouldn't have defeated Edelgard and later Nemesis on the Golden Deer route. She was one of the best units in that maddening run.
@@LadyIno I'm more a Petra fan but Ingrid is pretty dang good too.
Re: Ingrid. I got around her awful durability at the start by setting heras Byleth's Adjunct so she levelled up alongside Byleth until she got to a point where she was useful. After that, she was a crucial part of a lot of maps such as remire village and any that needed switches or levers pulled.
She's so good. She really is a power house and a great utility unit. It also helps that fliers were significantly buffed, especially with that Wait/Avoid class bonus.
The units you will be restarting chapters over.
I've had actually so many times where especially in fe7 my peg knights would get shot down by Batista.
At least some of them are actually really useful especially in rescue straits.
Ye Batista jacked af tbf
Batista is so jacked up that he's oneshotting a flying Pegasus Knights from far away
Man, I hate it when my Peg Knights get Spine busted by an animalistic buffed up wrestler/actor
Nerf Batista.
Wait you guys are actually using pegasus knights in fe7 i thought it was a joke
Subaki and Hinoka are pretty accurate. Hinoka is a royal, but she isn't completely broken and Subaki is a sky knight without a speed stat.
If FE3 Book 2 Palla already wasn’t that game’s best unit (at least in outdoor maps), she should be in S-tier for that great portrait alone, that game in general has some pretty good ones, that and I love characters who do little poses in their portraits rather than just show their faces.
but their eyes...they are so souless lmao
She's also great indoor too!
meanwhile FE4 every character has the same hair. what the hell went wrong? at least FE5 didn't suffer that fate
"If her dad is Claude, she's going to be at her worst."
Mekkkah, as the prophet of the Claude!Fee church, you wound me. Do you know the benefits of a Claude!Fee? She gets holy blood. Holy blood! This means instead of the pitiful C rank staffs that Fee normally gets on promotion, only letting her use Heal and Mend, she can now use every staff in the freaking game! (Aside from her brother's Valkyria.) This means you can have a flier with Physic, or Fortify, or Ward, or whatever you need! Sure, her combat will be less than stellar, but the sheer utility you get from having a staff flier is too much for me to sit down and let you write her off as this being her "worst incarnation."
She can't use Rescue or Fortify. But Restore/Recover/Physic are very nice things for her to have, and the high resistance makes her ignore all the status staffs in the last two chapters. She's a bit shaky early on (though still fine because inheritance can fix most of her issues) but I'd say Claude!Fee is outright her best incarnation for chapter 10/Final. She still kills dark mages easily and has solid combat against most other units, but also brings very good staff utility (she's the best Restore user in the game due to having more move than anyone else except for Leif, whose resistance can get him put to sleep) with no fear of status staffs or non-boss magic attackers.
I thought the holy blood made it so it was boosted up to A rank. Was I wrong?
@@greenstat1c Minor holy blood only boosts rank by one, so since Falcon Knight has C staffs normally she ends up at B.
Aah, okay. Even still, Claude!Fee is still far from her "worst appearance". That would have to go to, like, Arden
@@greenstat1c Arguable, since Arden gives her higher str/def than Claude, so that Fee is better at 1-range combat. It's not like she needs the speed to double. Claude!Fee isn't really bad though considering how good it makes her magic, and sometimes the use of Physic is nice.
Real comment time and not Pokemon copypasta:
- I usually recommend forging FE11 Caeda's first Wing Spear to +6 MT because this lets her OHKO armor knights. She only needs +4 MT for cavaliers and horsemen.
- Karin can flier cheese escape maps like chapter 9 and chapter 13 because she can give Leif to someone and then dismount to become rescuable herself. Worth pointing out.
- I don't really see how Fiora can be placed above Florina. Non-LM Florina can catch up to Fiora's base stats by the time she joins, but she also has 4 and a half chapters of availability in which she does a lot of flier / mount utility work. So non-LM Florina would be almost strictly better than Fiora, and LM Florina would blow Fiora out of the water.
I feel like Vanessa is too high in A tier? I know that for LTC especially, she has problems with gaining levels reliably while Seth is plowing through the game and often won't be ready to promote when you need her to, with another problem being how costly the Elysian Whip is to get. And by the time that Cormag joins with another Elysian Whip, he is just better. Basically it seems that she has the same problems as Shanna and Florina. In casual efficiency, these can be worked around because you wouldn't factor in the turn costs of getting items, but if you're going at this slower pace, then Florina should have plenty of opportunities to catch up and perform similarly in the context of her own game.
I think you’re understating Non-LM Florina’s stat problems in relationship to Fiora. Despite FE7’s reputation for low enemy stats, 9 speed on a lance unit with low con is extremely mediocre, and in combination with her low base strength makes her combat extremely bad. She’s liable to get doubled by fast enemies if she equips an iron lance while often being unable to double even Weighed down Pegasus knights, and has awful power when using the slim lance (same as base Rebecca), which rarely even lets her double since many enemy types typically don’t go below 7 speed for a while (Cavs, Nomads, mages), which would be out of range even with a level up. Hector hard mode’s exp penalties also hurt her more than most because she has an awful enemy phase and struggles to get kills the most of your units outside of Rebecca. Meanwhile Fiora has a notably easier time getting leveled because she can actually double most enemies in her join map with a slim lance, she has a decent hard hitting option that she can use and not put herself in extreme danger in the axereaver, and joins before a very good map for leveling units (19x). While she shares many of the problems Florina has, it should be noted that she is significantly faster compared to Florina, with +4/5 AS depending on the weapon used when comparing the two at base, which is a massive gap (7/9 level ups on average), especially since Fiora still isn’t as fast as would be ideal for certain situations (she would like +1 speed/promotion for more consistent doubling with better weapons in the upcoming chapters). This annoyance for Fiora is a significant source of problems for Florina, who wouldn’t consistently double in Fiora’s join chapter trained with a slim lance (about 70% chance of 11+ speed at level 7 trained which isn’t awful, but not consistent, especially since nomads often have 8 speed). Also to be considered is utilizing Florina’s flyer utility often hurts her exp gain as well, since the more you utilize it, the less kills she can get. The amount of bias or luck need for her to be better or even equal to Fiora is massive, since her speed is practically guaranteed to be notably worse, and as stated before, Fiora still doesn’t hit a fair few thresholds at base. Tl;dr - I think that Fiora is a lot better than LM Florina because LM Florina has trash combat for a long time.
@@carpediem6841 We have to set some ground rules for what kind of playstyle we're talking about, because how Florina and Fiora play out greatly depends on whether you're going super fast or taking a bit more time.
If you're going the full LTC route (minus rigging), then Florina and Fiora are both going to be pretty bad combat-wise. You want a falcoknight for chapter 21 and possibly even earlier, which forces you to early promote a pegasus knight and they will be pretty bad for the rest of the game. In that case it is basically a strict comparison of flier utility, where Florina wins by being able to do stuff for a full 5 chapters more than Fiora (because Fiora joins at the tail end of chapter 19). Some of this is pretty important, like dropping Marcus across the cliff in chapter 16. Despite Florina's bad bases, you can grind her the 5 or so levels that she needs to catch up to Fiora's bases in this LTC context, at which point they are functionally similar. So in this case, Florina > Fiora due to availability.
If you're going a casual efficiency approach where you can take a few more turns per map, then Florina can potentially gain a lot more EXP. If she can catch up to Fiora in LTC, then she will surpass Fiora's bases in this casual efficiency context, while still having the availability lead. So in this case, Florina > Fiora due to availability and stats.
I suppose we can disagree about whether this is or isn't undue "favoritism," since your point seems to be that Florina is so bad at fighting that it's extremely hard to do even the basic task of setting up kills for her and funneling EXP into her that way - which I don't really agree with. Nearly all of the pegasus knights on this tier list below S tier (plus Marcia) demand lots of favoritism to perform well enough to deserve their high placements on the tier list.
dondon151 I’m more speaking to casual efficiency rather than LTC, which I’m less familiar with, and I’m sure gives Florina the upper hand. I don’t necessarily think it’s extremely hard to set up kills for Florina, I just think that you have to do it an excessive amount for a unit like Florina, without a very notable payoff since she’ll end up very similar to Fiora, if not a bit worse. I’m not sure what exact level you’re thinking for Florina, but it seems to be rather high if she has stat leads on Fiora (I.e. level 10+), which doesn’t seem possible to me without sending her to 17x and feeding her high level pirates or taking an excessive amount of time on ch 18 to feed her kills. I tend to lean more on the casual efficiency side of things when I play, but I don’t typically spend more than 3 or 4 turns on pirate ship, and dislike using her in 17x if I’m baiting the pirates due to reliability issues with the pirates. Like I said, I’m not sure what exactly the level estimates are for Florina for a given chapter, but it comes off as very high, because Florina needs to beat Fiora in level by a good amount to have any lead in speed or a notable lead in strength. As far as the favoritism thing goes, while I do think some level of favoritism can be extended to Florina, since she has an extremely good class, I find the favoritism needed to get her actual combat up to a passable level very tedious compared to most other units, both on this list, and in general. I suppose my main point of disagreement would be how high of a level she would be, so I’ll end it by asking how high of a level should Florina be in your mind in the maps between her join map and 19.
@@carpediem6841 ruadath had her at L7.67 going into chapter 19. This was in an LTC context, so some rigging was involved, but he also completely skipped chapter 17x. So I'd say those two cancel out approximately, and then when you factor in the slower pace of casual efficiency, level 9-10 seems pretty reasonable. Honestly it could be higher if you wanted to apply extreme favoritism.
dondon151 Well, I suppose that if you bring her to 17x, she’ll be able to reach higher level, but I’m not sure how reasonable getting 2 to 3 extra levels would be without camping out ch 18, or giving her some excessive levels in 16/17x. Then we get into to the problem of her stats at 8/maybe 9, not exactly being better than Fiora. Like I stated in my first response, Florina is notably slower than Fiora, who has some speed issues, and Florina’s speed is notably worse, with a lower average and lower reliability to gain that average. Her strength is slightly better than Fiora at level 9 on average, but it’s hardly a guarantee, and they have very similar growths. I’ll leave it at this - I have a disagreement with saying a unit who needs to be excessively babied for a bad strength/speed trade off with another unit is better than that unit. Even with the extra maps, that has to considered with the excessive babying and worse combat for a decent amount of maps after both join
You're missing Shigure, but seeing how much you know about fates you probably don't need to put him on...
At least he's available for the next video, so there's still a chance to correct this!
I've never ended up using shigure in any playthrough of all 3 fates games is he any good
@@liiyouu honestly I have no idea I never use him either lol. He's probably decent though being a child unit
@@OnlineVideoSurfer lets hope Mekkah sees this 🙏
@@liiyouu he is pretty good, personally i used him as a combat healer and he did a pretty good job
Nice, Xenoblade music!
I still haven't used Florina in any playthrough.
I would've put Fiora in the mid/late section, but that's me.
Fiora's great. I find that later on, Farina and Heath overtake her (except in speed), but she's still great.
yeah fiora is closer to the end of the game
@ZXKW you should try using Florina she starts frail but she'll be worth training.
Yes, I too like getting hyped for Xenoblade Definitive by watching FE videos
Caeldori from Fates is missing in the late/mid tier
Shigure, too
It's a Fates kid? Wouldn't that be really hard to judge since there's no join time and all the variable parents?
Bartholomew Peter he put in cynthia though despite her being an awakening child unit
Same could probably be said for Cynthia (and to a lesser extent Fee) and she’s still there
@@appelofdoom8211 Oh... well he's gonna have some trouble with that one. Fee kinda works the same regardless of her parentage though.
Kinda object to Cordelia being Mid game. She joins in Chapter 7 of a 25 chapter game, that's pretty early.
I feel that Hinoka is a bit underrated, her bases are extremelly high for her level, and her growths are stupidly good, she doesn't have a real weak stat at any point of the game.
Also Falcoknights on Fates can use staves, so you can easily rescue units or heal with their high mobility.
A fates run that i made, I directly made Hinoka spear fighter at level 10, and she became way better than Oboro, and Oboro isn't a mediocre unit.
Looking more at the tier, and where Sumia is, yeah, she should be there, but idk, just felt to point that out.
Mekkah: says Shanna is top 3 in Normal mode and top 8 in hard mode in pitfalls VI
Also Mekkah: "Shanna is B tier"
Wat
That game has by far the weakest cast lol.
Like he said in this video: Shanna is underwhelming sometimes.
That video is also really old and like I explain, my opinion got a little worse. But yeah also gaps between units in that game are huge. Top 8 leaves room for Rutger, Perceval, Milady, dancer, Alance and then some. Some of these are not S tier.
@@Mekkkah I wouldn't really call lance better than Shanna nor do I honestly see her being worse than Florina
@@Mekkkah Allan/Lance are not better than Shanna at all. The possibilities they lack compare to her because of terrain are massive, and they are not OP combat units either, just very nice.
Fliers are such a mood in a game like Fire Emblem... sometimes even more frail than your healers, but SO much utility.
Random Derp why is that a mood 😂
PoR Elincia was in the Est tierlist too
R.I.P Caeldori
huh? Cordelia joins in ch7? I would of considered her an early flier unit. A mid unit in awakening would be Olivia, Cherche and say'ri.
say'ri is... a swordmaster
@@dimitrialexandreblaiddyd8246 Yes I know. Just trying to say Cordelia comes relatively early compared to mid game characters like Olivia and Say'ri
That's a lot of green hair
NinjaCell an blue
Palla is so broken that her genes contaminated the pool.
To help you with the Fates fliers:
• In Birthright, Hinoka is a very solid unit with good bases and good growths thanks to being a royal. She's one of the few mounted units in Hoshido, which automatically makes her viable: rescue-dropping, avoiding terrain like swamps, water, acid and deserts, gains staves as a Falcon Knight. Her personal skill gives +2 damage to all allies within 2 spaces, and she comes with the Guard Naginata, a weaker Steel Naginata without the -3 Speed and instead gives +5 Def/Res; in addition to her already solid defenses of 9 and 15, she now has 14 Def and 20 Res, making her a flying tank if need be. Nobody can use C lances yet, and the only competition are Subaki and Oboro. She comes with Darting Blow, pushing her speed to 21 when initiating. Even her base speed of 16 is only rivaled by Kaze whose damage output is lower. She's also a good candidate for the Bolt Naginata. I feel like Hinoka is better than Sumia, as while Sumia is great, she needs some babysitting and requires to be paired with Frederick or Kellam to be viable when she joins, while Hinoka is good to go immediately.
• In Revelation, she's not as amazing, as she joins much later and competes with Camilla who joins earlier and is stronger, even if slower and less accurate, but she remains solid.
• Subaki... is not great. HOWEVER, he's not useless, far from it. His combat is below average, but he makes great use of his flying advantages, in the same way as Shanna and Karin. He joins 1 chapter and 3 levels before Hinoka, but already has the same Skill, and Defense as Hinoka with 1 less point in HP and Strength. His HP & Defense growths are good and he has an amazing Skill growth. Combined with his personal skill that gives him +15 Hit/Avo when at full HP and the availability of the Guard Naginata, Subaki can become a reliable bulky flier that never misses. Sadly, his offense isn't good at all; by the halfway point, he's already started falling off a bit depending on his growths, and by the final quarter... yeah, forget using him for any offense. A solid option is to early promote him into Falcon Knight and work on his staff rank to turn him into a bulky flying healer and status inflicter. In Birthright, I'd say he's easily better than Clair, for a similar reason to Hinoka vs Sumia. He doesn't require babysit and can take hits; unlike Clair, his offense drops, but he's viable from the start and remains useful, even if said utility changes.
• Same concept for Revelation, but worse. Hinoka joins later, so he can't take advantage of the Guard Naginata she comes with, you have access to Camilla early, and the lack of Hinoka makes Reina's presence even more impactful than in BR. Use him for flying utility, then bench when Reina arrives.
I can't help but feel like someone at IS really, really liked their OC, the Whitewings.
Also,are you not counting Dark Fliers as in Constance? And there’s Emma too. The DLC unit in Echoes.
I don’t think he really played the dlc for either game
Owen
I was wondering.
Yeah I'm not just not counting Dark Fliers
Mekkah
Fair.
Man I really love those two characters.
In the Bernadetta WAIFU, Mekkah started it with Bravely Dafault music.
Now he starts with Xenoblade 2 music.
Mekkah is a man of culture confirmed.
tbf all the music in Bernie WAIFU was thrown in there by Cyan.
This is mostly Xenoblade 1 music.
@@ChoiceSnarf There's still a good amount of 2 music, and even a little bit of X
tfw you forgot FE12 RR Est :(
Also ST!Caeda
My favorite class, I didn't appreciate them when I first played but as I got more experience I really got to appreciate the class's intricacies
Enemy pegasus knights in three houses must be on some kind of steroids
"Is There Such A Thing As A Bad Pegasus"
Clair and Subaki: Allow us to introduce ourselves.
Subaki I agree with. Clair tho, nahh, shes solid
Also Xenoblade music with the tier list containing Fiora I like that.
@@vrajgandhi5371 It's ironic since Subaki thinks he's perfect but he's far from perfect.
Clair is waay better relative to her game lol.
I disagree on Subaki being bad. He joins extremely early in both routes he's avaiable in, which is extremely useful in Rev, due to him being the only flier for a while (that alone makes him a great unit in Rev).
He doesn't have the best stats of the roster, but he is in a game where there are a lot of ways to circumvent stat deficienies, such as pair up, reclasses or tonics. And even with that aspect removed, he is surprisingly tanky, which not many units in Birthright can claim. And when completely falls off stat-wise, Ryoma will handle all the combat anyway. Also, prepromoting him to Falcoknight enables all kinds of rescue-strats, due to rescue having fixed range and requiring an E rank.
I hope I made my thoughts clear.
I’ve been waiting for this one thanks dude.
Aside from clair's positioning i agree with pretty much all of this. I think Clair makes a strong case for D tier and a slightly weaker but still valid case for E
sumia and chrom build support really fast and give each other enough speed to double even on lunatic
if you solo you can probably grab galeforce around midgame
rally speed is also really nice and requires less investment
can also reclass to great knight for Luna and defense
Sumia x Chrom is a bad pairing, Chrom doesn't give Sumia what she needs, str and def. Frederick does that, and Sumia gives Freddy speed.
I think the biggest problem with subaki is that Hinoka joins 1 chapter after him and is just better in every aspect. He is useful to transport units in that chapter because it's a desert chapter though. Then a few chapters later you will get Reina and you know how good that girl is. Soon after that Scarlet joins as well and Takumi can promote into a flier too so there are a so many better options. The only good thing that subaki has to offer is his daughter (who is also better then him but not worth picking over the others) and a reclass to a samurai which can turn him in a dodge tank... When his HP are full. And instead of reclassing him you could reclass jakob into an early game Great Knight who get's exp like an unpromoted unit. Subaki has his use in the escape chapter but that goes for every flier because the "rescue mechanic" in this game doesn't require constitution. But if you really want to have 3 fliers at that point of the game (or just play him anyway in this chapter it's a good candidate to be skipped) you could S Rank Silas with someone to catch the Boss of sophies chapter. And while I think that Hinoka isn't that great as well, Subaki is just outpowered by everyone else. Even Hana is more useful if you reclass her to a cleric because after her promotion in a priestess she can use her stronger offensive stat plus reaching S Rank Staffs. But that's another story.
In conclusion: Subaki is not completly trash - but there are so many other units that he can't keep up with after a short amount of time. Investing in other units is much more worth.
its really funny on these tierlists looking at how similar most of the portraits are even across games
Why is Fiora still early but not Thea?They join about after the same amount of chapers if you assume hhm and B route?Same with Tana,Cordelia and Reina
Thea is not that early though.
She could've contributed for the Ilia route if she joined earlier but she's late.
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx Thea joins in ch 10 of B route
Fiora joins in ch 19 (-10 lm +1 Gaiden) basically ch 10
Cordelia joins in ch 7
Reina joins in ch 11 rev(-6 prologue) makes it basically ch 5
Tana joins in ch 9 of both routes
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Fiora joining at Chapter 19 is equivalent to Chapter 9 by Eliwood Route standards.
Unless you are arguing about Hector Mode Fiora.
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx Yes I was(Hhm=Hector hard mode)
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Ok.
She's late I guess.
Fiora needs an Arena to at least be able to be competent because Pegasi rely on Speed.
Oswin is still MVP.
14:29 Also the dracoknight speed cap is 23 so she's still going to cap speed. Palla is the god of fe12.
Sumia is amazing on Hard Mode, useful from start to finish. Lunatic she is relegated to pair up duty but she does that really good.
23:39 It is actually written Hermina in heroes polls now (until they change their minds again). I think it's quite funny going from latin word for woman (Femina) to a different name (with no origin nor meaning consensus but female form of Herman is one I like) but still kinda of means the same thing to an English speaker. I can just assume for heroes whoever was assigned to naming duty thought fem was a bit lewd and found a good escape clause.
I once had a Florina that capped like 4 stats 3 or so chapters before endgame. Pretty much carried me through the whole game. Good times...
Not quite the same as a tier list idea but I would love to see a list of niche usage units and what they can contribute to their respective games. Things like your Canas strats in FE7 negative and dark bishop seteth are really funny but also interesting because they're unique applications of units you don't usually see. Doesn't have to be a concrete ranking, but it would be cool to have a bunch of one-off uses for units
If Claude is Fee's dad, she gets B staves on promotion, which lets her use warp, recover, physic, and restore, but I don't know how much better or worse that makes her considering what it does to her skills and stats.
Mekkah, have you played Xenoblade? I'm hyped for the remake at the end of the month
Really off-topic but god I'm so hyped for Xenoblade DE lol I hope the new soundtrack will live up to the standars of the original
Reina joins in chapter 11(rev)/13(birthright), and since nobody should ever count the first six chapters of any Fates route, I'd say that's enough to put them in the "early" category.
-Also will the separate mid/late include Aversa?-
What is the best way to use Pegasus knights? are they mainly speedy resistance tanks??
"Is there such a thing as a bad pegasus?"
Yes, his name is Subaki. No str, utility for one chapter in Revelations (The wind tribe one) cuz he is the only one who can fly and then he's useless.
I haven't played Revelations, I just played Birthright hard so far. I'm gonna finish conquest eventually but in BR he was... fine i guess. Honestly i spent more time just using him as someone to fill a character slot while the big boys did all the work.
His personal skill is one of the best, though.
If you give him every single resource possible with no extra stat boosts or whatever, he can solo the game with Corrin in Birthright. That doesn’t mean anything though because I was able to do it with even Hana, anyone with a Def stat can solo Birthright easily. Of course, in a normal playthrough with no babying, he’s trash.
@@birdoisunderrated1938 this is honestly the best way to put it. He's "amazing" but only if you force feed him everything and in that case nearly every character is amazing
Units you could include for the next part are child characters from awakening/fates like shigure. for three houses, what you explained for flayn also goes for manuela. also constance is dark flier (the only native one afaik). as you made elincia count, i think that one shoud too.
I think he left put constance cause dark fliers aren't totally Pegasus knights. Plus dlc.
@@LP-zn8sc by that logic he would need to exclude elincia and reina as well. elincia has a flying class that combines magic and strenght, just like dark flier, although in a different way and a kinshi isnt even a peg to begin with. but dlc is a point. you can recruit dlc characters without making use of any other dlc stuff in fe16 so i dont think its a huge deal but that subjective
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Reina promoted from Pegasus knight based on her skills: she's essentially a late join promoted Pegasus.
@@l.n.3372 according to that logic , Units like minerva or michalis should be on the list too, cause theyre nonpegs promoting from pegs just like raina
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Not really the same. That's purely lore based: Minerva cannot start as a Pegasus, so you never see her as such. Reina quite literally has all the Pegasus skills which directly shows how she didn't start as an archer into Kinshi instead. Hence she was a Pegasus quite obviously.
As for Mekkah not including her, I think Reina should have been on a pre promoted tier list instead along with Scarlett. Simply because her bases, class and weapon rank are too good to compare to non promoted mid game Pegasus.
“Clair is bad”
She’s been such a carry in Echoes for me, I adore her! I’m even planning to +10 her!
Same. Clair has come in clutch many, many times for me in Echoes
will there ever be a thief/ninja tier list, or does their utility vary too much across titles for it to be feasible?
I'm playing Birthright Lunatic right now and Subaki with a Rinkah pair up carried me through the earlygame, I feel like his defensive and flying capabilities might be a little underappreciated, but maybe that's just me. But aside that I didn't feel like hinoka brings a lot of (other) things to the table? Since there's some competiton for the guard naginata, and I find that Oboro greatly benefits from one and I don't feel like she's all that great without it?
Camus archetypes are pretty common. What if you placed them depending on difficulty as bosses?
I was literally trying to find (something like) this yesterday or two days ago. Perfect timing!
Just waiting for that bad dragon's in fire emblem tier list
I pray you’ll remember Clive for Other Cav tier list
The only thing that's not controversial about this series of videos is Mekkah's incredible taste of background music.
Now that's controversial because the music was arranged by cyan.
Im very biased as Marcia is my favorite FE character but Im glad you just barely put her in S tier lol, in PoR shes kind of insane
imo shes the best character in PoR after Titania, because she has decent str growth, high spd growth, and her def/res growths arent terrible, not to mention she has decent bases (8 str 11 spd at level 5). And you already mentioned how shes a little underleveled when she joins, but can be offset with BXP, and can use the full guard which you get almost exactly halfway in the game. Not to mention that you can also forge her a max MT weapon (or multiple) because you get so much money in Tellius. You also get her before most cavs, since we know PoR is just a cav dominant game, as the only ones you have at that point are Oscar and Titania, though you do get Kieran soon after
100% biased tho
Wouldn't Gaiden/SoV Palla and Catria technically count as mid-game Pegasus Knights, not early-game?
37:53 That Vanessa durability vs FE7 girls comment, I think part of her perceived betterbdurability might be because she gets chapters where she gets to face higher concentrations of magic enemies
The moment you mentioned Clair I was thinking about how ridersbane carried her through the early levels but it probably would've been better on Clive, and then you said the exact same thing a minute later.
Also I did play through all of part two without Palla and Catria. It was the worst thing ever.
I was wondering how you'd handle Fee since FE4 is all about finding dads for your 2nd gen units
Where would you put Inanna, Lirin, and Alice from TLP?
Very happy to see this. Pegasus Knight is clearly the best class in Fire Emblem. And no, Shadow Dragon being the first one I played doesn't colour my opinion at all...
You don't need to watch the video to know that FE12 Palla is on S tier.
I know Ingrid is supposed to be a pegasus knight, but just yesterday I finished a playthrough using wyvern lord Ingrid, she was amazing in that class.
Peg Knights pretty and good
Caeda > Palla?
Unsubbed.
I feel like looking into the early game glass cannon mages would be interesting. NM Linde and Lute come to mind.
Edit: Spelling
How many tier lists like this are you planning to make? The amount of them already is too damn high
You forgot about Shigure and Caeldori from fates
As someone who just recently did a lunatic Awakening run, Sumia is definitely a good unit, but not overpowered. Did the Frederick pairing and it helped both of them, Frederick more with doubling early game units and Sumia with bulk midgame. Falcoknights having staves and rescue being E rank and mass buyable meant that even when Sumia stopped being a reliable juggernaut (Awakening scaling gets scary late game) she could still contribute with teleporting Robin around and other units away from danger. Plus they get rally speed at level 5 which helps for hitting certain benchmarks. In hard mode you can probably go dark flier for more juggernauting potential. I know this is anecdotal but it's my general feel on how she played. This run wasn't using any grinding and only a few paralogues (The first four for Donnel/Anna, the one for Tiki and the one for Morgan) for added context; were I to do more paralogues she probably could've held up better late game. Overall I agree with her placement on this list in the A tier, just wanted to add my two cents since you said you were lacking much experience with her.
Hard Mode Sumia is pretty busted. Juggernaut earlygame and assists warpskips lategame.
Mekkah should definitely play Xenoblade Chronicles. Seems like a type of game he'd enjoy
In Golden Deer, I made Ingrid into a Dark Flier because her magic was higher than her Strength so I trained her in Reason and Swords for Hexblade and she was a beast
Ingrid is an interesting case. She can get alert stance fairly quickly and has a high speed growth so she serves as an excellent dodge tank mid to late game. This automatically makes her better than many of the other pegasus knights who just kinda get hit and die. However, she isnt the best dodge tank in the game so that makes it a little awkward to rank her in regards to other pegasus knights.
Does constance from 3 houses not count? A dark flier is a form of Pegasus knight and she literally starts as one in cindered shadows.
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 music is so good I'm having a hard time concentrating on what you're saying.
I'm actually liking Ingrid in my Blue Lions maddening run. Her overkill speed is actually necessary in this mode to double a lot of things that all my other units can't (and my Byleth and Dimitri are both speed screwed) and she benefits a lot from being a flier way earlier than everyone else. She paid off way quicker than Sylvain did. That said, I focused a lot on the main group in preparation for Reunion Before Dawn so I've neglected all the faculty like Catherine in favour of continuing to train weaker students.
Don't you remember the Three Houses Guide Review you did? Female Byleth's 5th best class was Falcon Knight so remember to add her in next episode ^_^
I disagree with Clair being so low, one of your statements about other hnits needed Lance's isnt the best. Forsyth isnt that great, Lukas won't see much combat on Alms open maps, and Clive is utter garbage(at least in Echoes), you get Zeke later but that's Way later and Mathilda is the only other worthwhile unit to use. Clair is honestly no bad when it comes to Alms route
Clair is complete garbage. Trash base str, trash base HP, trash base defense, trash base level. Alm route is so full of archers Clair is not safe anywhere. Whatever isn't a bow unit kills Clair in 2 hits and Clair does 1x2 damage to it. Clive on the other hand is pretty solid, good base str, good base HP, good base def, and salvageable spd (same base spd as Clair btw). He can help all throughout Act 3 and Act 4, no rule says you can't use both Clive and Mathilda.
@@Juan-zs6jt I never said you cant use both Clive and Mathilda but Mathilda comes halfway through act 2 which is far worse then Clair coming in halfway through Act 1. Clive is alright at first hes a slightly less bulky more movable Lukas but that's his only feat. At least later on Clair gets effectiveness agasint Monsters. What you described is literally the pegasus stereotype. Which can be fixed by stat fountains and such(at least in Echoes.
@@kai_824 Clair's effectiveness against monsters means jack because you barely fight monsters in Alm's. Clair's strength is so trash she wouldn't be able to kill them. Silver Sword Kliff, mages, and Hunter's Volley are much better at killing at monsters because they are good at killing enemies period. Fountains! Clair doesn't have any claim to those. 2 Spd for Silque to get Warp, 1 Spd for Paladin Clive. 3 Magic for Silque. No early fountains left for Clair. Even if she takes them, she is not gonna kill anything. She is a pegasus stereotype that actually happens, the other earlygame pegasus knights overcome their weakenesses by being ferries or having actual base stats. Clair's base stats are total trash and she cannot ferry.
She was actually on my final team, she was better than Est, but couldn't keep up with Palla and Catria. She was good regardless though, one shotted or two shotted a couple of enemies.
Well as for Clive, I benched him as soon as I could cus he was constantly either dying, missing or not dealing enough damage (it's been a year since I played Echoes but I remember fucking TOBIN saving Clive from enemies before, Clair on the other hand had WAY more survivability because she constantly dodged or engaged monsters/mage units well
EDIT: Clive has a 1 Res :'D he is basically useless after the game picks up with Witches, Nuibaba's abode and so on.
Fee with Claude as her father is actually pretty good from my experience. She gets B in staves and can fly around using physic, and magic swords keep her damage fine.
I recently started a BL maddening run and I was expecting Ingrid to be pretty bad for the same reasons you described, but her early performance wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be, though this may just be personal experience. She got 1 strength level until level 10, but since I focused on axes it got brought up to the brigand base and she mastered strength +2 her strength was kinda fine even when initially screwed. Plus she picked up a decent amount of speed to avoid doubles early on. Obviously she wasn’t amazing but I was expecting to bench her early on
Are Fighters next on the list?
I don't know why there is Xenoblade música, but I still apreciate it
Mekkah, that sounds like the Colony 9 night theme from Xenoblade in the background. Just curious, are you a Xenoblade fan or did you put it in because it's good, relaxing background music?
There's actually music from both Xenoblade 1 and 2 through the tierlist. From XC2, there's Fonsett Village, Ancient Ship, Fonsa Myma night theme, the music that plays in Torigoth before the main area and one of the main Elysium themes.
@@Sidnv Ah. I've never played XC2. I've heard good things about it, I'm considering it, but it always looked too "anime" for me. Much moreso than XC1.
@@greenhardin1700 It's definitely very anime but it's a really fun game. I think the gameplay is better than XC1, but there is an annoying gacha system (no money but just rolling random stuff for good blades), and the story is a bit more tropey. I'd say the music is better even, the XC2 music is just so good (XC1 is also amazing don't get me wrong).
The music was put together by cyan not mekkah.
He said in a stream that he hasn't played the game but enjoys the music often.
love the xenoblade music. good taste mekkah
Marcia is still fantastic in FE9 Maniac Mode. The big difference is that she does fall off late; so does literally everyone eventually except for Ike, but it happens a little faster for Marcia due to her lower STR cap and lack of access to axes, meaning she stops being able to reliably ORKO enemies with forged Silver weapons sooner than units like Jill or the paladins (though to be clear, this effect is worse for Titania than for Marcia, because even at level 20 there are caps she can't even reach). On the flip side, Marcia is so incredibly valuable early in the game that it more or less makes up for the late drop off - the flying utility is even more valuable when, e.g., there are more siege tomes and the siege tomes are more threatening.
Did you say Claude!Fee is the worst Fee? Or the worst at combat? Because she's pretty badass with her flying B rank staff use.
I have found that Ingrid solo's maps. Completely on her own. Byleth and her; And she's f*cking great. This was maddening before dlc. Then after, I'm in golden deer right now and she is still soloing part two maps with the chalice. Silver sword plus Gives her atk and it's light enough so she doesn't get weighed down. Her only drawback is of course, the armor knights. But flying over and passed them to boss kill is always an option
37:20 of course the strat is to just rescue drop seth in rough terrain :p
Gonna comment on early TRS pegasus knights
Sasha: really shitty start as princess but u need try to get her to promo before split 1 and promotion has her one mastery point away from Levin Swords which are busted on outdoor maps and dominates most of midgame especially on Runan Route. Kinda suffers lategame due to indoors where Pegasus Knights lose a lot of magic which hurts their ability to use Levins. She gets Vantage at level 8 and paragon at level 10 with adept at 15 in top of being a strong candidate for Super Proof. Draco promo can make her a little bit better if u do it late game since she is indoors. B tier
Martel: earlygame pegasus with lots of mobility, starts with 5 wpn level but has sufficient time to get to Levin which is 8 wpn level in TRS. Performs as well as Sasha roughly once she gets there but can potentially get to levins earlier and not as bad of a start compared to Sasha and gets earth saint which is a decent skill where she does a critical hit ignoring terrain bonuses. A tier
Frau: Joins map 15 on Holmes route but is a mastery potion away from using Levin Swords at base and is a strong candidate for it at that point in the game where it's like a map or two after she joins. Gets Anti-Evil at 25 which is basically Slayer and comes at a relatively convenient point in the game (late split 2 to split 3) in either Runan or Holmes route where u fight monsters more frequently at that stage in the game. Suffers same problem as other pegasus knights where her combat kinda blows indoors but she is a good candidate for dragon flute if you are going to pick one for late game promotion. Going to give her A tier since she comes early enough and roughly does as well as Sasha and Martel from the moment she joins to the end of the game.
I think that most TRS players would place Martel in the same echelon of units as Narron and Raffin. She's generally considered one of the best units in the game and is an easy placement in S tier. The chapter 1 WLV Plus practically has her name written on it because it transforms her from having iffy combat to amazing flying 1-2 range.
Sasha is just Martel with 10 chapters of investment before she pays off and does kind of the same thing with a higher lategame ceiling. Having a second pegasus knight is good because you can split them up between Runan and Holmes. Probably A tier based on being Martel without an earlygame.
Frau I have never used seriously, but she joins 10-11 chapters later than Martel with nearly identical base stats? I don't see how she could even be in the same tier as Sasha, who not only has a couple of chapters of availability as pegasus knight, but will also have much better stats. She just has diminishing returns when you already have Martel, Raffin, and potentially Sasha as leveled up fliers, and unlike Martel, she can't claim an easy WLV Plus to get her out of an offensive rut. You can make her work, but it takes her time to get going and she already joins halfway into the game. I'd put her in B tier at best.
Why did you put Sumias daughter in here but not Subakis daughter