Given that Kota was psychologically healthier than Wredd, and his being a military genius, it's only right that he should come out on top of this match.
In one of your previous VS you classified Kao Cen Darach as a credible threat to Kenobi, just slightly below him. That made me think about Kao Cen Darach vs A'sharad Hett, both Niman specialist who are proficient enough to seriously challenge Kenobi.
Interesting stuff. While I can generally despise putting fight rs as number ganes ( like Anakin has 999 force points while Mace has 970 or something.) I generally do enjoy... RANGES if that makes sense. It is helpful to gain perspective and comparability for everyone and you taking the time to do that for some as well as building up analysis is always appreciated. Classes and Weights if that makes sense. Hell weight class of fighters is probabbly the closest real world equivalent mixed with rank of black belt white belt range or something. So it was very good work and added content to do a post analysis! It really adds something special to the fights and is appreciated as it’s own separate thing as a completed thought in of its own self. And quite frankly I learned of Darth Wredd from one of the versus series, probabbly from you and he is without a dbout among my top 10 favorite Sith Lords. And apparently doesn’t have a real close analog! So thank you! So ... out of concern that eventually most fights will have been fought I was wondering about your thoughts of doing a tournaments with charecters? Like names I a hat to randomize the set up and stuff. Hell do it by weight class could be fun, who’s the great tier 4 champion, who’s the best tier 3 ( lower council member essentially right?) But the randomness of tournament and people being more suited against this opponents or that could be fun! Just a thought for the Council forcecast/fanalysis Anyway thank you for creating this content. I very much enjoy this perspective bits.
I'm honestly of the belief that Galen Marek vs Bastila Shan is maybe a bit more even. If only for a few simple factors: Satele has more developed Force abilities, has more experience than Marek against comparable or better fighters (Darth Baras, Darth Angral, and Darth Mekhis besides Darth Malgus) all of whom were in the top ten running of Sith in their time, and she had pretty refined Force defenses. The last point being especially important. Because, when has Galen Marek ever breached another Force wielders telekinetic barriers? Never. The only time he directly telekinetically attacks other Force wielders is when he has already pummeled them into submission. Bastila is a bit more even, as she has plenty of different abilities, but they aren't as quick on the draw as Starkiller's. Her saber technique is also comparable. Making them relatively challenging for one another. As a final point, Satele Shan was the Grandmaster of her order. The same position as Yoda, and while she was somewhat beneath him, she definitely is in the same league. Unless you specifically meant her as she was in the "Hope" cinematic. That would be more fair, but I still favor her.
Although there is no mention of Depa Billaba, I would like to expand upon your theory if I may. It is possible that Mace Windu and Depa Billaba were on their final mission as master and apprentice on Rahm Kota’s homeworld, a mission that would serve as Depa’s final Trial of Knighthood. I am also theorising that Rahm Kota and Depa Billaba are of a similar age, with less than a decade between them? 32 BBY: Mace Windu - 40 Depa Billaba - 24 to 28 (was it her or Mace who was the youngest Jedi to join the council prior to Anakin, assuming Mace joined in 44 BBY aged 28?) Rahm Kota - 29 (assuming Kota is 60 in TFU) This makes Kota older Billaba by at least a year, so either Kota was actually Windu’s first Padawan for a time before completing his training under Yoda; this almost mirrors Qui-Gon’s ascension to the rank of Jedi Master when he completed Feemor’s training in a very short amount of time, before Jinn took on his first full time Padawan Xanatos. Kota joins the Order aged 18, this would still place Depa at the absolute limit or above the accepted age of acceptance for Padawans (13). An alternative theory could be that Depa is Windu’s first Padawan but became a Knight at a remarkably young age and Kota completed his final year of Jedi training as Windu’s second Padawan sometime prior to the Naboo Crisis of 32 BBY. Of course Kota could be 50, and years of growing up on the battlefield plus time spent fighting in the clone wars has aged him and made him look older than he actually is. This would completely change the timelines of Mace, Depa and Kota, and how they all connect. Meditate on this, I will.
@@wristofkings Im the same. Kota is suited for gen combat, but Jinn is more suited for lightsaber dueling (mechanically) and a more talented swordsman. Btw, didn't Antoine and Jensaarai1 originally had that matchup planned?
what I believe balances this fight is: -Rahm Kota has more physical resistance than Jinn, who is shown to be past his prime. I don't mean that Kota is at his prime, but at least we see him resisting through a lot -Jinn is the more experienced and skilled duelist, no doubt -Jinn is more powerfull in the Force but uses it more passively than many of his comtemporaries, while Kota integrates the Force in his combat strategies I think their use of Force abilities is what makes this fight more interesting
ANH luke skywalker? Kanan Jarrus (Rebels season 1-2)? Savage Opress? (he isn't a tier 6 or 7. Im just interested in an analysis of him because why not?) Rebels Ahsoka tano? (Again. She isn't tier 6 or 7. Just very interested) I would like post mortem analysis of them but I know that jen isn't interested in Disney canon and there are so many other characters that would be far more interesting to do a post mortem than ANH luke or even ESB luke, since their skillset is much more narrow and not that broad. I would do them, especially kanan, but I don't have the material for analysis.
It's weird that Wredd hated the sith but considered himself a sith nonetheless. It could be explained that he hated only the ONE Sith order but on the other hand I remember it was stated numerous times that he hates the sith in general.
Accounting for his lack of appearances in the clone wars multimedia project, my headcanon is Kota probably kept to himself, and with his militia. So, basically, Kota was always too busy battling for anyone to bother questioning his chosen form.
@@R0-83-RT agreed. Given that mace in the CW multimedia project and TCW was dealing with his own stuff and it was wartime, I don't think he would have had time to visit kota about him running the risk of falling
Name one Jedi that was a master in Juyo besides Windu... I'll wait. And he says he's not great. Master Kota survived a fall from the Outer Atmosphere after being blinded. Windu couldn't survive a fall from a building. Don't tell me, "he was hit with force lightening". (Anikin was hit with lighting for like a minute straight and was still alive)
Assuming we are looking at both at their peaks, Nomi and this is a mismatch. Vergere is really interesting but I don't think she is a match for a telepathic savant GM.
Nomi might win, but this is not a mismatch, Jacen considered Vergeres power to be on par with his own, Vergere used Sever Force casually to sever Jacen from the force, Vergere also has interesting hax like super-shrinking or weaponised tears, Nomi would almost definitively loose pre-prime Many NJO characters are Grandmaster tier thats not saying too much
Im sorry but everytime I think about Rohm being recruited at 18 I think back to the Scene where everyone was like "Nah bro Anakin is too old send him home." Like WTF? Explain this shit. XD
As for my full thoughts on this, pretty solid. Surprised you gave Kota tier 2 rating despite his age, but given his shown feats, tier 2 physique is well deserved. lol at being called made of concrete. As a force weirder, I feel Kota might be tier 3. He is multi ton lifting strength, could penetrate Palp's tk barriers and has a wide variety of abilities, beyond typical Jedi average. Force sight, tutaminis, farsight, likely force heal, good variety of tk abilities. Btw, even though his application of tutaminis was pretty basic, I feel like he should be capable of deflecting blaster bolts. Makes perfect sense for a battlefield Jedi. Don't mean much combatively but wanted to give some credit where its due. As for Darth Wredd, desensitized heavyweight is a perfect description of his physique. Also, the man has arguably one of the best sets of armor out there. As a lightsaber duelist, his inconsistencies shows he is not even a "master in his own right" but he is an extremely experienced Sith Hunter who can contend with those above his own level. 15:34 That wreckage looks multi ton to me. Even if you divide that total mass by 2, I would still assume its ton range (someone do some math to clarify this). 17:15 Yeah, imagine if Wredd developed himself to even a tier 3 level. Could have been a diet Darth Krayt. Except less badass and more edge lord. And you elaborate it all with your theory on Windu being Kota's Jedi Master which I like. Overall, solid breakdown and it was enjoyable. Now where is your breakdown of Krayt and Malgus. Lets see what makes a tier 1, a tier 1. Edit: Thanks for the love Jensarrai1!
Hey Jensaarai1, I've noticed you and others like EvanNova95, Reti4, GreyJedi91, etc. use a tier system to rate characteristics. Is there a video or explanation somewhere explaining a breakdown of what said tiers are? Love your content, by the way.
Stefan Coleman in Jensaraai’s first post Morton analysis video, ‘Exar Kun vs Darth Maul’, he outlines his tier system. The earliest instance I know of where it was discussed was in the forcecast video ‘Palpatine is not invincible’. I would like to note that I had a recent comment thread with them in their last ‘Revenge of the Sith review’ (part 4 I believe), and it appears that they are no longer in total agreement. They may well in fact post another fanalysis video specifically on the topic of the tiering system at some point in the future. Hope this helps :) (P.s. I also have my own grading system on my channel, which Jensarrai credits in his first post Morton analysis, if you want to check that out)
Stefan Coleman personally I disagree with much of the Palpatine in not invincible vid, but it’s definitely worth a watch none the less if you get some spare time. Thanks for the support too, I’m trying to do more but I’m a little busy atm
@@canderousordo8271 I just don't understand, that's all. I always respect Jensaarai but after he said Greyjedi91 bailing on a collaboration because he got a truck job I always figured Jen had a lot of time on his hands to make these videos.
Producing videos of this quality is very time consuming! You need to consider research time, script writing, referencing, and not to mention creating the video itself and editing it. All of that can take weeks to do. Also, the reason it comes across as very arrogant is because Jensaarai is not obligated to upload, it's not your 'right' to demand videos so it comes across as quite rude.
He has a LIFE beyond making these videos, bruh. All of the Forcecast members do. Not only do videos like this take TIME to make due to all the research and stuff involved, but the Forcecast do NOT always have time on their hands to make these.
Given that Kota was psychologically healthier than Wredd, and his being a military genius, it's only right that he should come out on top of this match.
If Kota is made of concrete, what is Obi wan made of, steel?
Me Mine A mix of vibranium, adamantium, and the High Ground my guy.
@@cloudftw113 that explains why nobody has broken the guy, he's indestructible
@@cloudftw113 Sounds about right. But what is Vader made of? Sith Alchemy, Durasteel, and Sand?
Rob George Pure hatred of sand*
Also pure, concentrated self loathing.
@@cloudftw113 Sad but true. But thats why we love Darth Vader (I think).
In one of your previous VS you classified Kao Cen Darach as a credible threat to Kenobi, just slightly below him. That made me think about Kao Cen Darach vs A'sharad Hett, both Niman specialist who are proficient enough to seriously challenge Kenobi.
Interesting stuff. While I can generally despise putting fight rs as number ganes ( like Anakin has 999 force points while Mace has 970 or something.)
I generally do enjoy... RANGES if that makes sense. It is helpful to gain perspective and comparability for everyone and you taking the time to do that for some as well as building up analysis is always appreciated.
Classes and Weights if that makes sense.
Hell weight class of fighters is probabbly the closest real world equivalent mixed with rank of black belt white belt range or something.
So it was very good work and added content to do a post analysis! It really adds something special to the fights and is appreciated as it’s own separate thing as a completed thought in of its own self.
And quite frankly I learned of Darth Wredd from one of the versus series, probabbly from you and he is without a dbout among my top 10 favorite Sith Lords.
And apparently doesn’t have a real close analog!
So thank you!
So ... out of concern that eventually most fights will have been fought I was wondering about your thoughts of doing a tournaments with charecters? Like names I a hat to randomize the set up and stuff.
Hell do it by weight class could be fun, who’s the great tier 4 champion, who’s the best tier 3 ( lower council member essentially right?)
But the randomness of tournament and people being more suited against this opponents or that could be fun!
Just a thought for the Council forcecast/fanalysis
Anyway thank you for creating this content. I very much enjoy this perspective bits.
Great one. Starkiller vs Satelle Shan would be cool too.
@Wes Bradley-Taubner Well, what a timely reply.Thank you sir:DD
I'm honestly of the belief that Galen Marek vs Bastila Shan is maybe a bit more even. If only for a few simple factors: Satele has more developed Force abilities, has more experience than Marek against comparable or better fighters (Darth Baras, Darth Angral, and Darth Mekhis besides Darth Malgus) all of whom were in the top ten running of Sith in their time, and she had pretty refined Force defenses. The last point being especially important. Because, when has Galen Marek ever breached another Force wielders telekinetic barriers? Never. The only time he directly telekinetically attacks other Force wielders is when he has already pummeled them into submission. Bastila is a bit more even, as she has plenty of different abilities, but they aren't as quick on the draw as Starkiller's. Her saber technique is also comparable. Making them relatively challenging for one another. As a final point, Satele Shan was the Grandmaster of her order. The same position as Yoda, and while she was somewhat beneath him, she definitely is in the same league. Unless you specifically meant her as she was in the "Hope" cinematic. That would be more fair, but I still favor her.
I love your VS series match ups and post-mortem analysis.
Although there is no mention of Depa Billaba, I would like to expand upon your theory if I may. It is possible that Mace Windu and Depa Billaba were on their final mission as master and apprentice on Rahm Kota’s homeworld, a mission that would serve as Depa’s final Trial of Knighthood.
I am also theorising that Rahm Kota and Depa Billaba are of a similar age, with less than a decade between them?
32 BBY:
Mace Windu - 40
Depa Billaba - 24 to 28 (was it her or Mace who was the youngest Jedi to join the council prior to Anakin, assuming Mace joined in 44 BBY aged 28?)
Rahm Kota - 29 (assuming Kota is 60 in TFU)
This makes Kota older Billaba by at least a year, so either Kota was actually Windu’s first Padawan for a time before completing his training under Yoda; this almost mirrors Qui-Gon’s ascension to the rank of Jedi Master when he completed Feemor’s training in a very short amount of time, before Jinn took on his first full time Padawan Xanatos.
Kota joins the Order aged 18, this would still place Depa at the absolute limit or above the accepted age of acceptance for Padawans (13).
An alternative theory could be that Depa is Windu’s first Padawan but became a Knight at a remarkably young age and Kota completed his final year of Jedi training as Windu’s second Padawan sometime prior to the Naboo Crisis of 32 BBY.
Of course Kota could be 50, and years of growing up on the battlefield plus time spent fighting in the clone wars has aged him and made him look older than he actually is. This would completely change the timelines of Mace, Depa and Kota, and how they all connect. Meditate on this, I will.
Antares Draco vs Jaden Korr. Both have faced hordes of dark side adepts and display similarly diverse skill sets.
Cool matchup idea. Wish the Imperial Knights were more recognized.
Thank you fellow imperial. Antares Draco and Wolf Sazen are my fav characters from the Legacy run.
Apocalypse era Ben Skywalker vs Galen Marek. Thoughts?
Great video! Always good to see a Jensaarai video.
Are you going to do a reaction to Malgus’ return, though you’ve already seen it.
Dos this video open the door to Rahm Kota vs Qui Gon Jinn?
Great and close fight, but my money is on Jinn in a head to head duel.
@@wristofkings Im the same. Kota is suited for gen combat, but Jinn is more suited for lightsaber dueling (mechanically) and a more talented swordsman.
Btw, didn't Antoine and Jensaarai1 originally had that matchup planned?
Qui Gon is by far more skilled, but Kota could hold him off until he tired out
what I believe balances this fight is:
-Rahm Kota has more physical resistance than Jinn, who is shown to be past his prime. I don't mean that Kota is at his prime, but at least we see him resisting through a lot
-Jinn is the more experienced and skilled duelist, no doubt
-Jinn is more powerfull in the Force but uses it more passively than many of his comtemporaries, while Kota integrates the Force in his combat strategies
I think their use of Force abilities is what makes this fight more interesting
I'm undecided as of yet but I lean towards Kota.
I would love seeing an analysis of tier 6/7 characters just to shake things up
Liam the Padawan vs Coleman Trebor. However, they are not tier 6 or tier 7, they are both meme tier.
@@robgeorge4581 i was thinking scout
@@EU_Cafe Interested in Scout. Cant think of good matchup for her.
Rosh Penin vs Coleman Trebor
ANH luke skywalker? Kanan Jarrus (Rebels season 1-2)? Savage Opress? (he isn't a tier 6 or 7. Im just interested in an analysis of him because why not?) Rebels Ahsoka tano? (Again. She isn't tier 6 or 7. Just very interested)
I would like post mortem analysis of them but I know that jen isn't interested in Disney canon and there are so many other characters that would be far more interesting to do a post mortem than ANH luke or even ESB luke, since their skillset is much more narrow and not that broad.
I would do them, especially kanan, but I don't have the material for analysis.
Can you do a video with Draco please
Positive critique: replay volume
It's weird that Wredd hated the sith but considered himself a sith nonetheless. It could be explained that he hated only the ONE Sith order but on the other hand I remember it was stated numerous times that he hates the sith in general.
How is there not a conversation on him using Juyo but never him running risk of slipping to the dark side.
Accounting for his lack of appearances in the clone wars multimedia project, my headcanon is Kota probably kept to himself, and with his militia. So, basically, Kota was always too busy battling for anyone to bother questioning his chosen form.
@@R0-83-RT agreed. Given that mace in the CW multimedia project and TCW was dealing with his own stuff and it was wartime, I don't think he would have had time to visit kota about him running the risk of falling
Name one Jedi that was a master in Juyo besides Windu... I'll wait.
And he says he's not great. Master Kota survived a fall from the Outer Atmosphere after being blinded. Windu couldn't survive a fall from a building. Don't tell me, "he was hit with force lightening". (Anikin was hit with lighting for like a minute straight and was still alive)
Vergere vs Nomi Sunrider
Assuming we are looking at both at their peaks, Nomi and this is a mismatch.
Vergere is really interesting but I don't think she is a match for a telepathic savant GM.
Nomi might win, but this is not a mismatch, Jacen considered Vergeres power to be on par with his own, Vergere used Sever Force casually to sever Jacen from the force, Vergere also has interesting hax like super-shrinking or weaponised tears, Nomi would almost definitively loose pre-prime
Many NJO characters are Grandmaster tier thats not saying too much
Do we actually have anything on Vergere's lightsaber skills ?
Can you do Adi Gallia vs Depa billaba?
Nice
Lol
there is more ways to bass your form 7 wall having your main sword form. like marsl arts or the army.
Im sorry but everytime I think about Rohm being recruited at 18 I think back to the Scene where everyone was like "Nah bro Anakin is too old send him home." Like WTF? Explain this shit. XD
Wait a min. Why did this come out before Krayt and Malgus (the Post Mortem that is way more interesting)?
As for my full thoughts on this, pretty solid.
Surprised you gave Kota tier 2 rating despite his age, but given his shown feats, tier 2 physique is well deserved. lol at being called made of concrete.
As a force weirder, I feel Kota might be tier 3. He is multi ton lifting strength, could penetrate Palp's tk barriers and has a wide variety of abilities, beyond typical Jedi average. Force sight, tutaminis, farsight, likely force heal, good variety of tk abilities.
Btw, even though his application of tutaminis was pretty basic, I feel like he should be capable of deflecting blaster bolts. Makes perfect sense for a battlefield Jedi. Don't mean much combatively but wanted to give some credit where its due.
As for Darth Wredd, desensitized heavyweight is a perfect description of his physique. Also, the man has arguably one of the best sets of armor out there.
As a lightsaber duelist, his inconsistencies shows he is not even a "master in his own right" but he is an extremely experienced Sith Hunter who can contend with those above his own level.
15:34 That wreckage looks multi ton to me. Even if you divide that total mass by 2, I would still assume its ton range (someone do some math to clarify this).
17:15 Yeah, imagine if Wredd developed himself to even a tier 3 level. Could have been a diet Darth Krayt. Except less badass and more edge lord.
And you elaborate it all with your theory on Windu being Kota's Jedi Master which I like.
Overall, solid breakdown and it was enjoyable. Now where is your breakdown of Krayt and Malgus. Lets see what makes a tier 1, a tier 1.
Edit: Thanks for the love Jensarrai1!
Hey Jensaarai1, I've noticed you and others like EvanNova95, Reti4, GreyJedi91, etc. use a tier system to rate characteristics. Is there a video or explanation somewhere explaining a breakdown of what said tiers are? Love your content, by the way.
Stefan Coleman in Jensaraai’s first post Morton analysis video, ‘Exar Kun vs Darth Maul’, he outlines his tier system. The earliest instance I know of where it was discussed was in the forcecast video ‘Palpatine is not invincible’.
I would like to note that I had a recent comment thread with them in their last ‘Revenge of the Sith review’ (part 4 I believe), and it appears that they are no longer in total agreement. They may well in fact post another fanalysis video specifically on the topic of the tiering system at some point in the future.
Hope this helps :)
(P.s. I also have my own grading system on my channel, which Jensarrai credits in his first post Morton analysis, if you want to check that out)
I’m pretty sure it was in the first post analysis of Maul vs exact kun, and they mentioned it in the Palpatine is not invincible video they did.
@@macattackk Dude, this more than helps, thanks. Also, checked out your Ki-Adi vs Kao Cen video, really cool, mate. Definitely would like to see more
@@SuperWindsage pretty sure is exact on, thanks mate. Haven't watched the palpatine vid yet, though, but it's on my list
Stefan Coleman personally I disagree with much of the Palpatine in not invincible vid, but it’s definitely worth a watch none the less if you get some spare time.
Thanks for the support too, I’m trying to do more but I’m a little busy atm
Do Ulic-Quel Droma and Darth Bane.
I'd favour Bane.
WHAT'S UP GUY!!
Lumiya vs Senya Tirall
Pic vs Toki Tollivar
How come Sora Bulq is a tier 1.5 for physicality but not Darth Wredd?
Swotor Lord Scourge vs Darth Malgus.
RyanStellan 1775 Duel of the Juggernauts? I like it
Lucien Dray Vs Qui Gon Jinn
Could you do a Asajj Ventress vs Komari Vosa?
Mismatch. Ventress wrecks Vosa.
Ventress defeats and contends with Council Masters.
Vosa got wrecked by TPM Maul and killed by Jango Fett.
I know Ventress would win but I still want to see a Post-Mortem between the two.@@robgeorge4581
@@solidg3legend868 Pretty sure Jensaarai1 did a Post-Mortem of Ventress in his short Exal Kresh vs Ventress. I am interested in Vosa though.
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Hey, guys! Someone's finally talking positively about the TLJ!! Finally!
Whoop de doo. The video basically sums up to “lol just accept it”
pls post more. Not like you have a really time consuming job right?
Pretty arrogant thing to say, especially if you like the artist
@@canderousordo8271 how is it arrogant?
@@canderousordo8271 I just don't understand, that's all. I always respect Jensaarai but after he said Greyjedi91 bailing on a collaboration because he got a truck job I always figured Jen had a lot of time on his hands to make these videos.
Producing videos of this quality is very time consuming! You need to consider research time, script writing, referencing, and not to mention creating the video itself and editing it. All of that can take weeks to do. Also, the reason it comes across as very arrogant is because Jensaarai is not obligated to upload, it's not your 'right' to demand videos so it comes across as quite rude.
He has a LIFE beyond making these videos, bruh. All of the Forcecast members do. Not only do videos like this take TIME to make due to all the research and stuff involved, but the Forcecast do NOT always have time on their hands to make these.