@@Alex_Fahey no you see he believes all people's from Africa(which if you go all the way back is essentially everyone on earth but let's skip that) are essentially family and in this together. Except for the dozens and dozens he brutally murders and men, women and children he intends to murder. I suppose those ones looked at him wrong or something so off with their heads.
NinjaFresh 😂 It was a very long explanation (let me rephrase. A very long and EXHAUSTING SJW emotional response). Something about Blade isn’t a hero bc he’s really a villain and the black in the character wasn’t emphasized (I explained the White was never emphasized in any hero I ever knew to which I was told “exactly.”). As with most “debates” with lefties, it’s exhausting bc no matter how many facts I hit the man with, I got emotional responses. Namely the google definition of an antihero (to which I was directed) and the google definition of a hero (to which I was directed). His “argument” essentially came down to the fact that Blade didn’t come from Africa, didn’t save anyone, and therefore couldn’t be considered a “black hero.” Trust me. I tried asking simple questions like “Are you sure you saw Blade?” I think I ended up sending the guy to Cartman’s safe space. Bullet proof windows and all.
@@KinnereyB Jesus Christ that sounds like a nightmare. I love how they sent you to the definition of words that they wanted you to use. I'll never get these people. Was he by any chance white?
NinjaFresh Thats a good question. I never asked what color he or she was (it might have been a zey...that’s one of their pronouns right?). But yes. It was exhausting and irrational like every convo or “debate” I’ve ever had with a far lefty. Traditional liberals can actually have legit conversations without bringing in words they define at that moment. Don’t always have to agree. But they at least don’t get all emotional. These modern lefties though - it’s beyond exhausting. If I were a Crowder, Shapiro, Elder, Owens, etc - I’d demand a high ass salary! I don’t think any of us will ever understand how they think. Really makes me rethink sending my kids to a university without SERIOUS vetting first. They teach this crap in colleges now and flat shut down any conservative talking points. I’m sure you can guess this person ended up calling me a Nazi. They love insulting ppl who make factual points with words like that. They have the Intellectual bandwidth of gnats.
EVERYBODY IN WAKANDA KNOWS KUNG FU! Ps: I know that is from a different Ugandan film but Who Killed Captain Alex is a masterpiece and deserves to be referenced at every opportunity.
"I dunno man, an old man broke into my apartment, then swat busted in and a dude in a cat suit is trying to kill me. When all I wanted was some plums."
And every one said Black Panther was the 1st Black revolutionary film. Everyone said Deadpool was the 1st R rated revolutionary comic book movie. Everyone said Capt Marvel was 1st independent female non-love intrest comic book movie. BLADE STARTED IT ALL!!! in 1998.
The comics give a better explanation of the process of becoming black panther: first you must defeat the previous black panther or his chosen champion, you can eat the herb/drink the juices made from the herb then you must be chosen by the panther God as worthy. And even if you get to the last step, unless your body /physiology is correct (only T'challa's family has been so far in the comic), the Herb WILL KILL YOU if your system isn't purged of it. Meaning yes you can go through the combat and be chosen just to die of food poisoning.
K Yardie his champion/the king's closest family member, like T'challa fights his uncle(who isn't Killmonger's dad in the comics, Killmonger's dad was another guy who was forced into fighting for Klaw/stealing the vibrianium and killed for it) to become the black panther.
Considering how much the modern MCU loathes anything originating from Europe, I wonder how the Transatlantic slave trade ended in it. Did the underequipped, undermanned, untrained slave population manage to simultaneously rise up and overthrow the EEEEEEEVIL Europeans instead of Europe as a whole deciding 'no, this is absolutely abominable, we're all voting to end this institution and bloody well going to war with an African kingdom that refuses to stop raiding their neighbours? In the MCU's timeline, did the slaves overtake North America and singlehandedly wage war against the white Americans, demanding freedom after they proved their superiority by crushing the Caucasians? I wouldn't put it past them.
Considering real world history (as opposed to fanfics like 'The Woman King'), a number of African tribes fought to maintain slavery & keep that trade alive.
@@jade4781 dude, we have permanent military bases all over the world. Military contractors and oil tycoons building plants. We exert control over their politics, with said military presence. What don't you see, exactly?
@@JagdeepSingh-bs3cw Eh... The US wars are probably he worst example of imperialism, and it's not like you attacked an innocent regime, like... A non imperialistic one ? (but "Military contractors and oil tycoons building plants. We exert control over their politics" is a far better example since it applies to much more countries. I mean, if trying to make some money out of the destruction of an actual dictature ; for fraudulent reasons, it's a shame your country had to mess up so massively on that point, and the way it dealt with the aftermath ; is imperialism, then the occupation of west Germany was imperialistic. Also... imperialistic and colonizers are two different things. As far as I know, there is no US colony in Africa still ran by the US, so exit Liberia. And having plenty of military basis all over the world... Meh, it highly depends on the context I would say, and the deal made with local governments, it's not in itself proof of imperialism)
@@nathanjora7627 Colonialism is defined as a practice in which a power sets up colonies or settlements elsewhere (in other countries or territories) (Singh, 2001) for the political and economic benefit of the colonizing country. ... So, imperialismserves as the underlying ideas, whereascolonialism is an established form ofimperialism.Nov 21, 2016 This is what popped up when I googled imperialism vs colonialism. I just thought it was funny because the dude who wrote this has the same last name as me (I swear it's not me). Anyways, I don't know if we can say it's the the worst example, it fits all the criteria. It doesn't matter if the regime we toppled were innocent, plus things are worse off now than before, for us and them. And it's not like that is the reason why we attacked, it was for their natural resources in Iraq. As far as making deals with the locals, I don't think the locals had a choice, so hardly a deal. Why did you put most of your response in parentheses?
I think the one thing that bugged me about this movie the most was how Vibranium was a cure-all/Deus Machina for literally everything and could do literally anything.
Completely agree. All the praise but they didn’t realize they instantly gave their main character “Superman” complex. The worst part of the movie for me was going in thinking vibranium was a finite resource and was in incredibly limited supply. When I seen they built a ENTIRE city out of it and gave it all these magical properties that have never been mentioned before I knew we immediately had a problem.
Funny thing is that when I thought about it later, it stoped looking so silly. If Vibranium in its basic state could be as pliable as copper (so that even stone-age/bronze-age humies could work with it) but at the same time with developing new ways to process it (through some alloys or refining etc) to make it harder and purer centuries later , it really could kickstart your society in technology way above rest of the world. This premise is not as crazy as it sounds. Even today we have many inventions that could work miracles if only we had the right superconductor and so on. Of course fact that they did not conquer rest of the world and that they stayed hidden all the time is silly. But if Vibranium existed it could make Wakanda as strong as it did. Only thing I would love to see more is if they would put higher emphasis on them almost worshiping that metal.
I know you made a joke but BP was referring to the police. Bucky ran from the police and then BP attacked. He was waiting to see if attacking would be necessary, because if Bucky was captured by the police, he could just talk to the CIA and take him to wakanda for trial (as he does later).
You know for the longest time when Ultron said "The versatile substance in the universe and they used it to make a frisbee" I always thought he was referring to plastic and I thought it was a wildly interesting concept since plastic ranges from frisbees to explosives.
I always hated that line, because its basically an edgelord statement The fucker downloaded the internet into his brain and doesnt understand, that plastic is found in everything since the 20th century, from clothing, through tools, to, like you said, explosives
How did you think that? Ultron mentions vibranium a lot and the body they're making that Ultron is directly commenting about is made of a bunch of vibranium they stole as a major plot point in the movie.
@@bbjygm Because Ultron’s statement doesn’t make sense if he’s referring to vibranium. Vibramium *isn’t* “the most versatile substance”, it’s a metal that absorbs vibrations. Making a shield out of it is the best use possible. And Cap’s shield isn’t “a frisbee,” it’s one of the most versatile (heh) weapons in the world, with both defensive and offensive capabilities that can be use as both a melee weapon and a long-distance weapon. I know, *I know,* later they decided vibranium is now liquid magic, and just adding vibranium to something makes *_poof_* technology or something now, but that is quite possibly one of the silliest things they did in the MCU. I’m referring to the time when the movies were grounded in something resembling logic and reality, and actions had consequences.
Fun fact about the "dominating the continent" thing That's basically why the Bantu are the main ethnic group of sub Saharan Africa They got metal tools and weapons via trade and genocided their way from just south of Morocco to South Africa
They didnt get it by trade they where blacksmiths and masters at working steel everything else tho was correct and no one cares bro like pointing out shit africans did doesnt suddenly make other shit justified and likewise
Why did you use the term sub-Saharan African? Like you correctly said mos Africans north of the Sahara where white, wether they were Egyptians, Phoencians, Carthagenians, Romans, for tens of thousands North Africa was pretty much white. (There still are white berber tribes in the mountains in morroco). With this in mind why would anybody have made a comment about the Continent being for one race? Or "dominating the Continent" it just goes to show how skewed people thinking is today.
@@RanMaru144 That's not the point though. It's the hypocrisy of using "colonizer" to describe those in power in America when those in power in Africa also colonized their own country.
The most annoying part is that T’Challa is supposed to be an expert in most hand to hand combat. Meaning he can kick anyone’s ass WITHOUT the suit, but the suit of course gives him an edge, helps him fight against powerful villains. In Civil War, he’s actually like a competent fighter; specially that one scene against Bucky. But in this movie... He just feels like Captain America and Iron Man had a baby lmao. I think that’s my personal biggest issue. He doesn’t feel like Black Panther, definitely not the one in Civil War. Which is not absolutely nailed, but better than this version.
@@karlijns4816 The fuck you mean? Steve is a genius tactician. Yes, he's not about inventing and using technology, but he will beat Tony in the same environment because he's so much better at strategy and tactics
Something just occured to me. Did the Wakandans outside the shield, the ones that the world think are impoverished, did they accept aid from relief workers? Did they let the Peace Corps give them food and water and medical supplies, taking away from other people who actually need those things? If they didn't, how did they explain this?
Normally I would say they accepted the supplies and then after the Peace Corps left they went and gave the supplies to people that actually needed it. But in this version they clearly don't give a single shit about anyone else, so obviously they wouldn't have.
@@ty------ A tribal society that's notably impoverished in a world where Tony Stark exists and has made technology that could massively improve the lives of people like them and they say "No"? Yeah that isn't suspicious as fuck. You COULD argue they're just isolationist so it makes sense they'd refuse...... Buuuuut they're not are they? Cause isolationists don't send their fucking kings to foreign conferences and the United Nations. What justification could they possibly have for engaging in politics yet not accepting foreign aid? They're POOR and have NOTHING, yet they're on the political stage? WHAT ELSE WOULD THEY WANT!? Keep in mind the entire world believes up until the END of this movie that they're just some farmers in the middle of bumfuck nowhere. Yet they want to play as isolationist AND have a say in politics? That's not how that works. There's no fucking angle you can defend this movie from and remain honest.
T'Challa is the creator of the suit in the comics as well as being an engineering and programming genius on the level of Tony Stark and Reed Richards(See Illuminati in Marvel comics), and is considered to be one of the top three martial artists in the world. That is why he is uniquely the Panther. The Panther did not wear the suit before T'Challa. It's his invention. I don't know why they divested him of this save they found it too parallel with Iron Man(Frankly it is why the two constantly butt heads in the comics. They are mirror images of each other: heirs to their respective kingdoms who rebelled to become superheroes). Also, Wakanda is a monarchy. You cannot challenge for kingship. (Killmonger, via comics, assumed the throne through being a rightful heir when T'Challa was presumed dead, not by punching people. He did punch some people, though.) You CAN challenge to become the Black Panther in a yearly tournament, which is a domestic military position seperate from the Ruler. It makes more sense, as you would want a strong warrior to protect the kingdom. The Panther is NOT however in charge of the military. Many of T'Challa's problems in the comics come from him trying to be in both roles, which was mostly unprecedented; that and he's a interdimensional f-boy(see T'Challa and Susan Richards, and Storm, and...you get it.). In the comics, Wakanda is not some stylized central-African village with laser lighting. It is futuristic, although their clothing remains some weird mix of a dozen different countries. And they have guns. Lots of guns. Okay AND spears, but they are energy projectile weapons. They do not share the Herb with the general Wakandan public because it was the center of a huge conflict in the past. So it was ruled that only the Panther will take it, and anyone is welcome to tryout. Good luck beating the best fighter in the hemisphere, though. I find the movie pandering. Rhino's? Really? -black Marvel fan
You forgot to mention the panther god which was a huge reason why they didn't expand. Which was always a interesting topic since it creates a interesting parallel to the "divine right" monarchies in which Wakanda had a literal one. But thanks they took the Africa part and through out all the lore that made it interesting.
I've always had this issue with Wakanda: Vibranium may be the strongest metal on earth, but how did that make Wakanda so futuristic? It's just another metal. It can't be turned into futuristic tech just because it's a special metal.
Heresy! How dare you question the logic of these masterpieces of cinema! I'm triggered. I'm offended. I'm going to have a hissy fit and call you all kinds of juvenile names!
Stephen Grigg There are black women taking pictures of Wakanda, and captioning them: ''This is what Africa would be like if whites minded their own business.'' But yeah whites are circle-jerking lol! You're not going to get anywhere with that mentality, but keep on blaming whites for your own failures you sad little man.
We're klansmen for defending our own?? Why do black people get to defend their own but why not white people? You do know that we're less than 15% of the world's population don't you?
"defending our own" who, racists? I know you're not talking about white people in general because we never asked for any help. the majority of white people get along perfectly fine with other races and actually don't even consider that shit. it's you fools who have to turn a majority black film into an attack on white people that make me sick(same crybaby shit happened when luke cage came out). you're sheltered and small minded and really need to get a life crying like it's the end of the world over a movie written and produced by white people. Your "white people only make up 15% of the world now" shows how your racism stems from fear. why did you throw that stat out there? it's not relevant to this discussion and just conveys your fear mongering tendencies. both of you seriously need to get a life.
Step 1: Find a gigantic amount of vibranium Step 2: Don't get ultra advanced before hundreds of years because you don't have the tools to use, exploit and study that metal
This, fucking this. They show the vibranium crashing in the earth in the intro of the movie and completely skipped over the whole process of building a city out of it. I thought I was the only one who noticed until I came across this comment. Thanks.
A quick note on dagger in heart: Stab wounds tend to work that way. The blade would prevent the blood from escaping... of course, offer not valid if the blade is in the heart itself, but if it hit a vein, that scene would not be absolutely impossible. Also; if you find a stab victim, don't remove the object.
Yeah but if you're stabbed in the heart even if you dont remove the knife you're dead quick, even a pistol bullet to the heart kills you fast because your body loses functionality.
@@angryman_ Ah thank you. This is the exact example I needed to show why such thinking is stupid. How EXACTLY is the knife going to destroy the entire heart? Specifically, what parts of the heart can suffer damage and not cause death, vs what will? How much damage is that? Ok come educate me you cute lil muffin you.
@@effincook4176 How is a knife bigger than the heart going to destroy the majority of the heart upon being stabbed by it? Gee, I dunno Einstein how do you THINK it's going to destroy it? At 40:42 the blade is larger than the fist holding it, hearts are about the same size as an enclosed fist. If it was a smaller blade like a switchblade sized one it's possible he could POTENTIALLY survive but you would be completely unconscious and would not be able to have made it to the sunset regardless. Feel free to keep sperging out atrocious arguments though, that and your reddit spacing make you look like a total buffoon.
Late to the party, but I don’t get why Shuri was calling the white guy “colonizer.” Is she not aware that her ancestor seized land that didn’t belong to him and conquered the surrounding tribes to create Wakanda? How is she not a “colonizer” too?
@@nicholassims5366 Everyone has "colonized" somewhere else sometime in history. The Egyptians had sub-African slaves, the Romans conquered the Greeks, and Native American tribes took over eachothers' land all the time. And yes, Wakanda "colonized" and took over four other tribes in their own history.
Igniting gunpowder to create enough force and pressure to throw a piece of metal hundreds of yards is primitive. Stabbing people with a stick is civil. What?
@@danieldaw1778 Which from their appearance in Infinity War IIRC aren't much better than, and may even be inferior to, firearms. Their energy weapons have a lower rate of fire than firearms, look awkward to hold and use, and the projectile moves slower than a bullet. I was reminded of the Stargate SG-1 episode where they compared the Jaffa staff weapon to a P90 and demonstrated that despite the staff being an energy weapon the P90 (and firearms in general) was the superior weapon.
@@demonplague87 In fire rate only. They're much me destructive on a per shot basis. They also don't have an ammo source that can be removed from the weapon nor is it reliable in ammo. It also doubles as a close quarters weapon. And if the other spears seen in Wakanda are any indication, they can probably be collapsed for easy transport. That were one shotting super human space dogs stronger than T'challa and Steve. They also apparently have a man portable half spear that fires a sonic cannon capable of one shotting a tank. I know this comment section is a dogpile of anti Black Panther sentiments, but there are notable advantages to their energy weapons despite the disadvantages. Oh, and their energy weapons don't seem to have any recoil or a chance of overheating the actual firearms do.
@@ebenezerosaghae Maybe you should watch the video then. MauLer isn't the type to let his politics slip into his videos anyway, lmao. I've watched 3+ hour podcast of his after 6+ hour podcast and I legitimately can't tell where he stands politically. Watch the vid before assuming why he hated the film.
Did slavery happen in the MCU like it happened in the real world? If so I guess that means Wakanda just watched while thousands of Africans were enslaved and also sold to America? I mean they easily had the ability to stop it but I guess they are just that selfish.
They watched other African tribes murdering and enslaving each other while they...sat there? Also how were they exempt from that? Its not like they were SUPER high tech for ages before hand. Actually come to think of it, if vibranium is so hard to work with how were they mining it before modern times? And how did they figure out how to utilize it as a power source? And how did no one else notice? The other tribes would have been chomping at the bits to take over something so rare.
So, this movie pretty much un-badassed the Black Panther. Years of training and education to become the king and guardian of Wakanda? Nope. Just have some flower juice.
Black Panther has no skill. He has an indestructible vibranium suit. He doesn't even bother dodging the gunfire, he just runs right towards people. In the suit he shows almost no tactics, since nothing can slow him down other than a 40mm apparently. When he loses the suit he gets his ass handed to him.
Just the way I saw it. He reminded me of Faora from Man of Steel, how she just plows through the Rangers with no regard, since their weapons can't hurt her. Except she was actually cool and scary. Only time he shows any real talent is in Civil War. I mean his suit in Black Panther literally blows people up THE MORE HE GETS HIT. So it rewards the fact he doesn't dodge anything, because he can purple vibranium blast everybody and be even more indestructible.
No himode. Everyone knows this movie only got great reviews and Oscars because it had a black superhero. Writing be damned! We must love this movie!!! I feel bad for the black community that it sucked so bad.
@himode I think that's untrue because anyone can act! And whether, or not, someone can act well is completely subjective. You shouldn't say any race of people can't do x based on something superficial.
Well vegetarianism is a bit of a spectrum if they said they were vegans than I would be just as up in arms as you. Some ppl are vegetarians but still eat fish. The common denominator tho is not eating land based animal meat. After all vegetarians still eat eggs and drink milk. Once u cross the threshold to veganism that’s where u avoid anything animal related
Pablo Vela that’s a good point they may just be selling it and not even eating it considering they don’t share the same advanced society as the other wakandans
I loved him in his first scene in the museum. He's intelligent, manipulative, cruel, and very scary. And then in the rest of the movie he's basically all "Raararrrghgghghgah"!
@@GippyHappy LOLOLOL you guys are lost as shit. white folks own and feature in EVERYTHING and when you only have one and he has to be quiet in the film, of course you are in your feelings lol. pick some books up, quickly lol
@@GippyHappy Exactly right. You see films or tv series now promoting their diversity and there is not 1 white person. I always hear the equality argument and it's like ok that doesn't mean you exclude 1 race because you want to over correct. Doing so means you're just as bad as the so called racist people you claim are evil.
@@alexanderheughan9907 IW deserves an Oscar for best CGI and/or sound effects, it sounded and looked terrific. Unfortunately, Marvel will never win a best picture Oscar, because they simply do not know how to make an actual proper film.
Wakanda: An African society that values technological advancement and innovation, and carries on a lineage of time tested and rich cultural traditions. Also Wakanda: You can be the next king as long as you're stronger than the last guy.
Well is it preferable to go to a full blow Civil War and waste countless life's resources and time , or simply if the noble family's aren't happy with the current rule been able to challenge them for the rigth to rule with out having to break out war , and who knows the movie doesn't tell us all the rules of ascending the throw it could be that noble family can have there best fighter or champion fifth the guy and the noble family gets to rule or it could be that if more then one family is against they a rulers they can get vote it out and the figth at the water fall is just for show as in tradition we don't know the comics go into it deeper am sure and am sorry wrote this whole thing I am indeed very stupid but I hope I gave u a different perspective thank you and have wonderful day
@@raymundoserna3449 dude, its a highly advanced society with technology beyond the understanding of its neighbors, and they still didnt evolved past stone age politics? Whats the point of being the most advanced society on the planet when your political system is more backwards and primitive than some neothilitical societies? They never bored to even read books made outside Wakanda? Its just stupid writing
@@raymundoserna3449 Sorry but "rule of the strongest" was ditched by societies as soon they became farmers for an reason. You need brains to survive as an farmer, muscle while important comes second, societies who adhered to that idea did not do well. If your societie is technical advanced it becomes even more important. Think very hard, even in an armee, would you want the best fighter or the best tactician running the show?
@@AndreLuis-gw5ox Something something traditions good, culture good, gotta respect the traditions and culture, except when parts of those traditions and cultures go against modern morals and ethics, then you gotta cut those parts out of media representation.
17:50 - MauLer, when you mentioned killing a guy with a shoe, you missed a golden opportunity to use the clip from Austin Powers of Random Task throwing a shoe at Austin's head. "Who throws a shoe, honestly?!" Shame, MauLer.
Fun fact: the actor who played Random Task went 0-4 as a UFC fighter, and is serving life in prison for torture, kidnapping, and rape. He was also convicted of manslaughter for killing his cell mate! The more you know, I guess.
As a black person, I was very excited for Black Panther. I watched with my family when it came out in February and absolutely loved everything about it - the acting, the plot, the music, everything. Fast forward to December 2018 and me and my family watched it again for Christmas ... and I immediately realised I initially viewed the film through rose-tinted glasses simply because it had a predominately black cast and focused on black culture. I found that I wasn't as invested in the story as I was back in February, the jokes weren't as funny and everything about the film was just very, very average. I don't hate it by any means, but I definitely do not love it anymore. It's just ... there for me.
I treat chef a few times then I realize it really sucks. Yes the spear stuff & the casting is great & the humour is fun but Kill-monger was just a bland copy like Antman or Iron man 1 did. The bad guy was boring & carbon copy. Not to mention the horrible cgi fight. I thought the film industry & comic book movies evolved from that. I’m sorry but the writing plot is shit & very generic compared to Guardians of the galaxy. Things had to change fast from the hero fights copycat or face comic book movie fatigue.
I love how the creators actually thought a villain who wanted to commit genocide and enslave the planet was somehow a sympathetic villain because his dad got killed as a kid.
The villain wanted to favour blacks over every other ethnicity, so in a way he was a SJW doing some BLM agenda, which is egoistic af but nobody in Hollywood would point that out because the liberal would pile on them. Political agenda, pure and simple.
RODRIGO ODÓN SALCEDO CISNEROS "SJW BLM LIBERALS SNOWFLAKE AM I SMART YET GUYS?" This is you, you people have such limited arguments and vocabulary it's embarrassing
@@Soniman001 Is your archive of of words not limited as well? You belittle them for not using more intricate words, yet you do no better. Not to mention your grammar is abhorrent.
@@cashmancool2879 it's livable, but it's a pretty crappy country, the currency is worth less than paper and there is tons of poverty, hell its only aatter of time before the entire thing falls about like an unstable jenga table
I dunnoh about farming rhinos, but I have regularly interacted with rhinos over the course of my life and they are basically large dogs... Large dogs that could kill you by accidentally leaning on you, but still. They love being scritched behind the ears.
Please don't tell people this...there are people dumb enough to think this movie was good meaning they would be dumb enough to not know you are talking about rhinos in captivity...someone will be on a trip to Africa and get hashtaged instantly by a rhino because it has terrible eye sight
Don't forget at the end the first thing the black kids from da hood say about the ship that appears is how they are going to JACK IT and a sell it for parts......... WOW.
So instead of agreeing and saying "You're right! That was racist and stereotypical as shit!"....you respond with "what would sheltered white kids say"?............Basically, you're saying the scene was true to life. So what ya mad about mate?
@@TheStraightestWhitest Well one of the points in the movie is that killmonger grew up in a rough black area. If the kids said something like wow the polishing of the metallic vehicle is purely sublime with an astonishing finish you sould complain about the kids not sounding realistic and that sjws are exemplifying again. But now that they try to create a scene of children in the hood you say its too stereotypical. So what do you want them to say about a spaceship
The most unrealistic thing in this movie is how women are treated as equals in an African society. Traditional values are pretty heavily present, even today here in South Africa for example
@@makinoathesleepy8225 considering their tradiitons, and the fact they fucking farm rhinoceri and use spears, i call bullshit on "most advanced society". technologically, sure (even then, it's really no. they have access to a super material, even still their tech level is lower than most of the world, outside the ruling family.) culturally? fuck no, they are literally behind fucking Rome and Greece, in terms of culture/politics and so on and so forth. the only advantage they have, is tech, and they've done fuck all with it. so the OP is right, they should be extremely patriarchal.
12:38 Fun fact; Rhinos are, in comparison to most other mammals, not incredibly intelligent, don't have very good vision, and are incredibly territorial and aggressive. You can find vids online of them knocking over trees and shit because their defense instinct got triggered by it, let alone any one animal that finds itself unfortunate enough to be within 20 feet of it. The very concept of "farming Rhinos" is quite dubious at best, and you certainly wouldn't be able to treat it like it's at a petting zoo like pictured here.
Also they're like horses where they'll die from heart failure due to excess stress... like prolonged charging/running. Horses more so from stress like getting trapped in mud.
just goes to show how easy it is to manipulate people who lack an identity with their genetic roots. IE black americans. the only reason why so many people thought creed was a sympathetic villain is because he said, "white man bad"
@@TheExterminatorGuy im with u. nothing to do with intellect. seriously i had a friend(white), who asked me if i felt any responsibility for any ofthe less fortunate ethnicities because of what my ancestors did and when i said: No i have no fault in anything he looked at me as if i grew another head. its bullshit that I have to do something to do with it. i WANT to help NOT because of some sense of reparation, but because i just want ppl to live a happy life. and even then...what does that even mean. i have a darker skin complexion because my ancestors not too long ago must have been from north afrika or maybe some arabian coutry BUT i also have a greatgrandmother from Denmark, im french btw. How many ppl do i owe sth? from the arabs that conquered, the french that conquered, the vikings that conquered??? and how much is owed to me? ppl that measure their Rights that way are weak and crybabies
The museum scene is the most surprising seeing to it as they put a metal with special properties that is supposed to be rare in the museum and did not notice it's properties.
@@exodiaexodus You're half correct. While much of the items in museums were stolen, museum curators do as much research as possible with every artifact they receive. It's completely unreasonable for the museum to not notice how unusual that metal was.
You are what CinemaSins was supposed to be. You actually make sense. If anyone wishes to see heated discussions about the most trivial of things, click comments. If you're like me and hate children, move on.
@Sightless Sniper There are allegedly around 5.7 millions Danes, right? That's out of 7.125 billion humans. That means Danes make up 0.0912% of the planet. Thats not 9%---that's point zero nine percent, less than a percent. To put it another way, 99.9% of the planet are not Danes. How do we know this? Government censuses. Now, the best government censuses have a margin of error of at least 1%. So Danes make up 0.0912% of the planet, plus or minus one percent In conclusion: there is a 50/50 chance Denmark doesn't exist.
Eh, I agree with all of your points except the one about Cinema Sins. It was never meant to be deep commentary or serious critique. It was meant to be comedic nitpicking. Nothing more. It's honestly a little sad how many people seemingly can't enjoy it for what it is.
Stealth in games is for patient people. Sometimes it is fun to stealth your way through enemies and kill them all or not even touch one. Sometimes it is fun to blow some shit up, turn their technology against themselves and watch them run around, scream and die in a fire.
Too bad this line has been used before, you didn't come up with it, but you'll certainly take the credit for it. Trying being more creative, instead of regurgitating a joke you heard somewhere else.
Lets not forget, Holdo said to Poe that he put the entire fleet at risk with “bad odds” while single handedly risking the entire fleet with a maneuver with the literal worst possible odds imaginable of working apparently
@@optimusprime5446 Which no one else could do. No one could do Time Travel at all. As in he could make them travel trough time instead of time traveling trough them. And it would seem like it took him one night to do it.
Finally. Everybody around me keep talking about how good this film was.... I was about to voluntarily commit myself to a mental institution, since I saw all the flaws you eloquently pointed out. Thank you for giving my sanity back.
Marvel can throw shit (antman 2, captain marvel, black panther and even endgame etc) on ur face and people will eat it happily. But dc cant get away with MOS, shazam, bvs and gets criticized heavily. Fights in dc >>>> marvel. The final fight in endgame
@@sneezebiscuits7239 so thanos feels power surge when wesring the glove but feels no loss of power when stark steals the stones and thanos still proceeds to snap as if he thlught he had the power ????? That was garbage
I really hate action movies where if there is a mob vs one person, everyone in the mob just waits and takes it in turns to attack like its some RPG battle
Well honestly except for very restrictive situations generally anything more than 1v2 is pretty much guaranteed to end up in the single persons loss unless the enemies are comically inept. You surround a person and at all times someone is pretty much out of sight for them and if everyone keeps them occupied while the person in their blind spot goes for the capture or kill they're pretty much screwed. The reason it always ends up that way in movies is because if it the people were to act like people would in reality then the person fighting the group would lose.
Nicely done and on point. If you've watched this video carefully you'll understand that Black Panther is really an insult to black people and their capacity for development as a community.
@@Fighter_V487it’s kinda implying that even with so many technological advancements africans will always be unga bunga outdated tribalistic cultures, like it’s just inherent to that region of the world or smthn
@@Fighter_V487 How is it racist? I said "africans", you do realize there are plenty of non black people in africa, right? I'm talking about the culture, how they actually live. "Unga bunga" means strength above intelligence, picking your ruler based on who has the best physical prowess is by that definition, "unga bunga". The color of their skin has nothing to do with it.
@@DeepfriedBeans4492 Clearly you didn’t read what I commented cause I never specifically said anything about the color of someones skin or africans in general,so what the hell are you talking about,plus I literally just double checked what unga bunga means…the main result is literally to describe a gorilla like character in a game,and you applied that to black people,how is that not racist.
His part in Civil War was why I was so hyped for the Black Panther movie. Alas, social politics are like a disease, and it infected all forms of media.
No... in Civil War he was a LUNATIC, wandering around and trying to murder people because he pretty arbitrarily decided that they were bad. In pretty much every other movie that makes you the VILLAIN.
It's like they assigned a child to create the visual layout of Wakanda. Whoever designed Wakanda's layout clearly struggled with blending traditional African structure and design with futuristic asthetic and technology.
OverWatch did it so much better. Sad that Marvel looked at Africa and said “dirt huts are their culture” rather than blending in their art into their structures. Kinda like how Western civilization took the columns and marble floors of the Greek as their distinctive architectural look. Maybe some nice wood working and beautiful tanned leathers, Marvel? Not thatch fucking huts.
Agreed. A modern office building, celebrating African heritage would have ceremonial masks, spears, etc on the walls inside the building. You don't LITERALLY add mud and straw huts into the design of a modern building because that's idiotic in terms of the building's function.
Astrodactyl and now he has an axe. Coming from pretty much the same point in time weapon wise don’t you think? Especially considering he doesn’t need a weapon to access his power
I really appreciate that you mention how most of the problems would have been solved with some communication. I see tropes in so many movies and shows where if a character were the TINIEST bit more specific, whatever subplot would be immediately solved. It's such an annoying contrivance. It's one of the many, many things that turned me off anime.
Stick can break a car in half. They're shaped like spears, but they're obviously more advanced and powerful than a gun. The people in this thread are really focused on wanting Wakanda to use guns despite that not making sense given how guns were actually invented.
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 ok now I see It,this Is your second comment I see from you: I've made the mistake of thinking you were dumb now I realize you're both dumb and biased. Bad combination pal.
@@mayonnaise3959 I think the OP is saying that the hype around the movie died very quickly because it didn't really deserve that hype in the first place. It's a good movie but an Oscar nomination for best picture? Black Panther isn't _that_ good.
When you have +1000 science and and a machine that creates invisibility for the whole country to separate it from the whole world. Without it they would be invaded on the turn 50, if not earlier xD
After rewatching Black Panther I think I have found the main problem; World Building Look at Wakanda. Skyscapers, people, markets everywhere. But we visit what, 3 buildings maybe? And about 2 areas? They make Wakanda seem huge but so empty. And how does Wakanda make money? Are these Skyscapers places to commute to? Is this a capitalistic society? How do the Wakandan people go about their daily life?
+AlexBarkerG They get their Hi-Tech spears and hunt Omega-Hippos to bring back to their futuristic Plasma Mud Huts. Honestly how this movie is not considered "racist" is beyond me. This shit is actually funny. They even have some dude with that disc in his mouth stretching it out like some African tribes do. And we're supposed to take this seriously as a culturally/technologically advanced society. While dudes are stretching their lips out to 5 feet in circumference and wearing cheetah skin clothing.
Well if their economy makes no sense, SOMETHING SOMETHING VIBRANIUM. I assume they just build ATM's out of vibranium and they just shit money, considering that it is able to do absolutely anything in this movie without any real explanation.
Except injecting too much money into the economy would cause runaway inflation, which would hurt the economy tremendously. I think I found a problem that vibranium can't fix.
T'Challa lying in ice is what broke me. He would just develop severe frostbite and after some time deadly necrosis in every extremity, while the ice doesn't actually do anything... The amount of thought put into this movie is as much as I put into taking a dump
@@Fighter_V487 because the fictional story is set in the real world with human beings. Would you not find it weird if someone was decapitated in saving private Ryan and they just sewed his head back on to keep fighting? It’s a fictional story, so why should he die from that? Seriously, think about it for like 8 seconds and you’ll get there. Fiction still needs reality to draw from to make any sense.
MauLer, thank you so much for these. There are so few "review" channels that get into what's ACTUALLY wrong with movies. It's usually someone sitting and talking about how scenes were bad, it was miss cut, it was slapped together, or other surface level problems. I'm a person that cant sit through a movie if it doesn't make sense. I cant tell you how many times my wife has told me to "just shut up and watch" after explaining that things simply dont add up. If you did this for more things, not specifically movies as I enjoyed your rage on GoT equally' I would watch each and every one multiple times. As I have with each of your currently published "Unbridled Rage" series. I wish I had the means to do this myself, but the best I can do is make exceedingly long Facebook posts that only my friends and family may or may not read. My first time watching this movie, I couldn't understand why there was an issue at all. You killed someone who was going to shoot someone. How does that need to be a seceret? Why can't you take the boy back to Wakanda? Why cant you put him in the U.S. foster system? Were they lying because they didnt want anyone to know he had a kid? WHY ARE YOU LYING?! Why are you making problems where there are none? It drove me absolutely insane! People DROOLED over how good this movie was and I just couldnt fucking understand a single thing! Why didnt T'chala just tell Get Out? This movie is comparable to a bad soap opera. Is Not-Girlfriend going to get amnesia next and have an affair with T'chalas long lost evil twin brother? Fuck it hurts my head that people enjoyed this. So again, thank you and I implore you to continue your Unbridled Rage series.
Baby Ribs OMG, so a movie set in a universe with literal Norse gods walking around, actual magic being used, a big green Hulk rampaging around, talking raccoons and trees, a guy who rides ants into battle on a toy train track, Infinity Stones, rainbow bridges and bifrosts, and Vibranium, has some scientific inconsistencies?
The difference is that they all have certain rules as to how each one is supposed to work. Sure, it seems stupid complaining about a metal being inconsistent when you put it like that, but we accept everything else because the individual rules each one sticks by. Vibrainium has it's rules clearly stated, and then proceeds to ignore those rules because the plot needs it to. And that's the problem people have with it.
King Brando When did they explain all of Vibranium’s rules and properties - i.e. “it can do X but it can’t do Y and this is how it works” - in this movie? Also, Shuri didn’t necessarily say that the suit that utilizes kinetic energy like that is only composed of vibranium, so it’s unclear if it would even have to strictly obey rules of vibranium anyway. Their technology is insanely advanced, and Shuri is a genius, so who’s to say she can’t make something that selectively uses kinetic energy? Sure, they didn’t sit down and explain all this in detail and give us the rules of how it all works, but do they explain how Ulysses’ arm thing works, or how Wakandan spears shoot energy projectiles, or how Iron Man’s nanotech suit works, or how Stormbreaker summons the Bifrost, or how everyone can breathe on Titan in IW? No, because in the grand scheme of things, those are relatively small and insignificant details that we just have to suspend our disbelief about - and the inner workings of BP’s kinetic energy suit is included in that category for me.
Jona I meant that the (ostensibly) magical beings who form the basis of Norse mythological Gods do literally exist in the MCU. Whether or not they’re actual gods is more of a semantic, definitional issue; Odin says they aren’t, but there’s a bit of a grey area there as to what exactly constitutes “a God” (vs the singular God) to the MCU humans. The underlying point is that the MCU hosts all sorts of absurdities and logical impossibilities that don’t even attempt to correspond to our reality - so to single out certain (relatively) insignificant details for a realism test is disingenuous and self-defeating.
My point exactly. They don't bother to explain how vibranium works because I'm fairly certain they themselves didn't know and just hoped that we wouldn't care. In the comics, it's just a really bullet proof metal, in the MCU, it literally does anything the plot needs it to. Sure they don't explain every other piece of tech, but for the most part it's easy to understand. Especially since it all (mostly) seems to consist of more than just vibrainium, unlike the suit.
I just love how some massively advanced African nation still uses mud hutts and sharp sticks.. That says all you need to know about Hollywood's picture of Africa😂😂😂
Actually one thing MauLer completely missed was that part of the way Wakanda keeps itself hidden from the world is by creating the facade that they are poor african nation. The reason they still use spears is because they want the rest of the world to think they don't have advanced weapons, when in truth the spears are actually more advanced than outsiders would realize. This is also seen with the border guards who have seemingly ordinary African cloaks that are actually highly advanced shields. The people the rest of the world see are the border tribe who only make themselves appear to be poor in order to keep the real wakanda hidden... And the reason why the advanced buildings look the way they do is because a country's architecture is often influenced by its culture; just because they are advanced doesn't mean they are gonna copy western style buildings especially if they were building them before the west was.
@@MonteCreations This makes no sense. If you want to display your nation as a poor one then have spears when you're out of Wakanda and actual real weapons when you're inside of it, but being honest even the poorest nations in Africa still have guns so they don't even need to cover it using spears. Btw the spears made of a material strong enough to stop a car going at a really fast speed are enough to draw attention to Wakanda's weaponry and boil this whole mess. Edit: Do you know what also draws attention to your nation? Your future king chasing after an assassin with a bullet proof suit and superhuman attributes.
@@MonteCreations I thought they had a barrier that projects an image so that Wakanda looks like a third-rate nation. Isn't that what people have to pass through in order to see Wakanda?
@@MonteCreations You can pass yourself as poor with actual guns -_-' Poor africans countries have guns too. Shitty or old guns maybe, but even fucking sudanese pirates use guns. Pretending to use sharp sticks is so fucking racist. Did they try to see what's Africa's actual situation before making this movie ?
Coming from an African guy boy this video was somewhat of an eye opener. I mean I thought Black Panther was kickass and awesome in Civil War and was kinda excited for his own movie and when I watched it I thought I liked some stuff but I didn't really think all that much of it. Something about all the hype around it bothered me though and I hoped it wasn't something as blatant as race. But it was. Sometimes I feel I didn't hate or dislike a movie since after a year or so if I'm no longer thinking about it I feel it was maybe ok but watching this made me realize the reason I didn't think about Black Panther was I forgot a lot of the movie as it was boring or too predictable. Personally as a black guy (and I'm sure others can relate?) I'm sick and tired of slavery movies so I thought a movie like this would be great but...it was so so heavy handed with all the virtue signalling and "wow white guys are evil because of shit their ancestors did and blacks are awesome" that I cringed at a lot of it. Watching this video made me come to terms with all the things that made me not really care to remember it. I don't feel like I'm empowered as a black guy cause of this movie and I don't see how it's a cultural milestone honestly. Just make a good damn movie and stop telling us it's good cause it has black people, that's actually insulting. P.S. Using that Breaking Bad scene every time you're referring to forced racial commentary is one of the few things that honestly almost killed me lmao, it just got better and better!
Add to that, they are trying to portray the most advanced civilization as tribal spearchuckers with prehistoric architecture. I wholeheartedly reject the idea that "if the white man had not enslaved the African nations through colonialism than Africa would be a paradise". The African nations with the lowest GDP are the ones that were never colonies. I will not say that this is due to any inherent inferiority but is due to tribalism and adherence to traditional practices; I.E a lack of ability to adapt to different situations.
I can remember when Blade came it, it was a hit, it had two black leads, and ended up getting 2 sequals. No one went on about what a milestone it was to have a black lead (nor did they do it with Eddy Murphy, Denzil Washington, Richard Pryer or any other black stars years before), and just about everyone no matter what their race or sex was thought it was a great movie (seen it as a teen and loved it). And nor did i once hear anyone talk about race. It was just great actors and a great movie. Apparently not giving a shit about race years ago isnt as enlightened as pretending black stars nowadays is completely unique, never seen, amazing and enlightened. Like we were all racist years ago when we packed out cinemas. Its Hollywood pushing a corporate product like its social justice to sell tickets.
John Glass and EVEN IF IT WAS TRUE that white people enslaving African colonies is why they are poor today, (which it isn’t, but let’s just pretend that that is why), maybe if black people hadn’t invented slavery, they wouldn’t have been enslaved later. Never forget that the first slave owners were black.
As a black person I couldn't care less about this movie, especially as it was advertised as the first movie ever to feature "the darkest cast". Wow, nobody cares. Eddie Murphy already did this with the Nutty Professor.
I often wonder how the "broken white boy" would go over if ANY other race was mentioned. Also guy from "get out" says "immigrants bring their problems" I half expected a "Make Wakanda great again" hat.
@@ashuprice9719 in the first x man movie, a senator utters 2 of the dumbest lines in the entire franchise. one about how its a bad idea to have a telepath like exavier in a school, which is stupid because of how usefull a tellepath would be in a school. and the other which is relevant here. that the xmen are damgerous like drivers and therefore should be registered and held acountable… ei, the premise of the civil war story. now the problem with civil war is that it does a great job of intruducing such a good idea, but rather than explore it, it thrns int heroes fighting each other for no reason and ends with iron man losing a fight he should ha e had no trouble with. thus while it does introduce accountability, it does nothing with it.
"She explains that they have the ability to heal people in seconds due to Vibranium and every source of Vib... WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING?!" Pissed myself laughing at that.
Don't we all operate on tribal mentality? From our friendship groups, the sports teams we support, the brand loyalty we have to franchises and products, all the way up to our politics. It seems to be human nature.
No, not at all, especially if using the tribal system in black panther, aka trail by combat. In most tribal systems, might makes right rather then right producing might. While groups of friends can be somewhat tribal, seeing as how gangs have territory and have wars over them, most aren't. There is no set leadership among groups of friends, people may leave and come as they please and only gain a title if the group takes part in activities. Sports teams can be said to be tribal, as there is a trail by combat to see which players will be the most favored, however the leader isn't chosen this way. The fans are just mobs and run by anarchy, the will of the mob really. Brands, nope, just nope. Once again, mostly mob rule. Politics, once again. No.
Basically. From what I gathered, essentially Black Panther is set in a Feudal society. This'd also help explain the markets. As, peasant markets tend not to offer much exceptionally valuable, since then the nobles would have no reason not to rob everything. But I can only GUESS at that, since the movie never seems to bother to explain this. As the guy says in prior videos; we need to avoid writing the script for the writers.
A “tribal system” is very different from a “social circle/group system” The distinction is mainly that “tribal system” tend to be more... archaic... especially in regard to traditions... tribal systems tend to have more in common with religion than modern social circles...
I remember when this movie came out, everyone was just drooling over it, talking about how great and how awesome it was. I watched it, and mostly rolled my eyes through it. It was a bad movie made for one purpose and one purpose only: so the MCU didn't get labelled as racist against black people. I guess the MCU doesn't mind being racist against white people, but you know... Hollywood. So much of this movie didn't make any sense, I just couldn't enjoy it at all. MauLer spotted some things that I didn't, but mostly I was eye-rolling for the same reasons he lists here.
Im glad to see that I wasn't crazy thinking that Black Panther was "fine"... The crazy praise this film receives is insane and from my point of view reaks of virtue signalling. Fun video and well made. Great job.
Yeah it seems like a fine movie destroyed by politics and people making their race look worse by attacking people out of their race saying its "their movie."
aihoshiduo Wonder Woman was pretty mild. In fact I think feminism is pretty mild compared to racial equivilents because (ironically) feminists are more of a minority.
41:09 actually, taking out something that’s been stabbed into you can often be fatal. It’s blocking your veins, arteries, and sometimes even the heart, from internally and/or externally bleeding, and by taking out the object you can sometimes greatly increase a victim’s glance of death, and in some cases it will almost instantly kill them.
I think the point is how long he had his heart skewered on a blade without going into cardiac arrest, the heart is still pumping the blood which results in a catastrophic drop in blood pressure to supply the brain causing near immediate unconsciousness and death.
A bit of a late post, but here I go anyway: Knifes block wounds from bleeding out if you keep them in. This is sometimes true (it depends on the shape of the knife). There us an important condition though. You need to keep still. If the knife moves, you're causing extra damage which can/will negate the seal. The big issue with Killmonger is that they pretend that the knife blocks a stab to the heart from bleeding out. The heart does not keep still. It constantly moves with the pumping if blood and all that jazz. On top of it, they move him, at least partially under his own power, over a long distance. Moving his arms would move the muscles in his chest, which would move the knife. Considering that he got stabbed during a periond of heavy exertion, and the short period afterwards where they talk, his heart rate would go down. Then when he moves to the surface, his heart rate will go up again. There is literally no way the knife blocks the wound for that entire period, with all the movement, and his changes in heart rate.
I love the nicknames that Mauler gives to random characters. "Get Out" has to be one of my favorites, only after "Task Manager" for the Black Widow review.
So "vibranium" has all the qualities of silicone, conductors, plastics, magnetic metals AND can also apparently telepathically teach science, metallurgy, written language and advanced geometry. Damn, that is one cool alien metal right there....
I don't think it simultaneously did all of that. The movie just rushes through the origins and the achievements so quickly you end up getting that impression.
Not often we get a movie that is so politicised. I saw an article with the title, "Black Panther shows us what Africa could have become", and goes on to qualify, if it had not been raped by 'white' conquerors. There was no sign the author of it was aware that Africa was plundered by everyone, regardless of skin colour, and black Africans did plenty of plundering of their own, selling their fellow man into bondage when they weren't massacring each other. Also lost on the author was the fact that Wakanda is only successful in the film because of Vibranium, which ... doesn't exist. They try to go on and use diamonds instead, without apparently realising that diamonds are intrinsically worthless, and their worth is artificial, being generated by a controlled market and an awesome PR campaign, neither of which Africans were responsible for. But, far left activists got in on the stupid too, pointing out that this was a perfect society, the opposite of what far-right people want. That is until someone pointed out that Wakanda is an insular techno-hoarding ethno-state content to see millions of black Africans live in mud huts due to intense xenophobia, which is pretty much what the far-left would usually accuse the far-right of wanting to some degree or another. But beyond all that, my true bafflement came when black athletes started doing the "Wakanda forever" salute, unironically. I get fandom, and I like a good film as much as the next person, but if, say for example, I saw athletes using the Vulcan hand sign seriously, I'd laugh my ass off. The Wakanda Forever salute became something of a black pride gesture, and nobody seems concerned that it's rooted in fantasy. Still, a pretty solid film. Just ... yeah, strange political and cultural impact.
Tiny quip here, but diamonds do have some industrial use due to it being the hardest known material (just as gold is the most malleable metal and silver is the most conductive metal). But yeah, in comparison to Vibranium which can do...frikkin' anything apparently, it is indeed relatively worthless.
@@drakep.5857 Not unless we divorce it entirely from its meaning in order to slander someone, but why would we want to do that? Unless you mean Jesus was a Nazi, which is all kinds of amusing.
Tbf, top athletes are usually dumb as fuck. They are genius at their specific skillset, but lacking in other areas. No wonder they use the "black vulcan sign". This movie benefited hugely from political agenda, an indeed Wakanda is a nationalist country akin to the ideals of far right, yet just because in it blacks are the ruling power, lefties embrace it as if it was their ideal, which goes on to show that political agendas are what rules the narrative, not reason.
I'm kind of burned out on superhero movies, but Chadwick Boseman's hometown is right down the road from me and some of his other performances are incredible. So I was a pretty big fan. His death blew my mind. I never would have guessed he'd die so young, much less from cancer. He should have a statue in Gaffney. It's not like we've got a long list of people with his talent, character and legacy. Rip.
I can’t believe I found this video. I had the SAME issues when I first saw this film and when I told my coworkers, they called me a racist. I agree 200% with everything you said, this movie is garbage
donbdonbx Agreed. I’m Black and really don’t like this movie and people say “your not black enough” so apparently Black people cant even criticize this movie for whatever reason. It’s just a superhero movie and people need to realize this. Besides I could probably list 20 superhero movies better than Black Panther.
KING BLACK PANTHER 9000 To claim this movie represents anything to “black people” is actually pretty pathetic. Congratulations, after slavery and the civil rights movement, a horrible, plot hole ridden movie is the pinnacle of black advancement. And since you wanna talk about “societal headstart” Africa is literally the cradle of life. Gtfoh
Im gonna kinda defend gollem's ridiculousness. Wouldn't anyone be at least a little mentally unstable after their arm's chopped off by a robot's temper tantrum?
@@kincaidolsson6319 I respect you for hearing other opinion and doesn't scream and whail when you yourself runs our of point. Kudos to you, your kind is rare on the internet
@Haku infinite The fair critique of the character is that he uses his incessant babbling to disarm people into thinking he's rather harmless whereas we can see with his first scene in Black Panther he's meticulously conniving and ruthless. This is consistent with his attitude in Age of Ultron, where he goes on about how he's afraid of cuttlefish or offers the twins candy ect.
'WE NEED MORE DIVERSITY IN MOVIES!!!!' Movie comes out with an entire black cast where the only white character gets silenced by making animal noises against him 'BEST MOVIE EVER!!!'
@@ColorlessRonin Taught in school? What for? Why? I am sincerely asking bro because I really don't get it. There are other more significant and positively impactful movies out there
Irony = the only predominantly black cast in a movie universe of conic book movies is the only movie to make any reference to race...... Yet it's progressive, fuck out of here
"Bury me in the ocean where my ancestors jumped from the ships..."
Your ancestors didn't jump. That's why they're you're ancestors.
The worst part is his ancestors are Wakandans meaning NONE of his ancestors every dealt with slavery due to the isolationist nature of their home.
@@Alex_Fahey no you see he believes all people's from Africa(which if you go all the way back is essentially everyone on earth but let's skip that) are essentially family and in this together.
Except for the dozens and dozens he brutally murders and men, women and children he intends to murder.
I suppose those ones looked at him wrong or something so off with their heads.
Nah, they did jump from the ships. They just jumped from the deck to the dock on their way to the auction house.
Alex Fahey He was half Wakandan
Bottom line is:
He was a pretty overrated villain.
Blade is so well made that I never realized it was a super hero move, just a vampire hunter movie.
JonatasAdoM i had an ultra woke lefty try to tell me Blade isn’t a hero. He’s an antihero. Which is why we NEEDED Black Panther 😂
@@KinnereyB
Wait how did they justify Blade being an antihero? Do vampires have rights?
NinjaFresh 😂 It was a very long explanation (let me rephrase. A very long and EXHAUSTING SJW emotional response). Something about Blade isn’t a hero bc he’s really a villain and the black in the character wasn’t emphasized (I explained the White was never emphasized in any hero I ever knew to which I was told “exactly.”). As with most “debates” with lefties, it’s exhausting bc no matter how many facts I hit the man with, I got emotional responses. Namely the google definition of an antihero (to which I was directed) and the google definition of a hero (to which I was directed). His “argument” essentially came down to the fact that Blade didn’t come from Africa, didn’t save anyone, and therefore couldn’t be considered a “black hero.” Trust me. I tried asking simple questions like “Are you sure you saw Blade?” I think I ended up sending the guy to Cartman’s safe space. Bullet proof windows and all.
@@KinnereyB
Jesus Christ that sounds like a nightmare. I love how they sent you to the definition of words that they wanted you to use. I'll never get these people. Was he by any chance white?
NinjaFresh Thats a good question. I never asked what color he or she was (it might have been a zey...that’s one of their pronouns right?). But yes. It was exhausting and irrational like every convo or “debate” I’ve ever had with a far lefty. Traditional liberals can actually have legit conversations without bringing in words they define at that moment. Don’t always have to agree. But they at least don’t get all emotional. These modern lefties though - it’s beyond exhausting. If I were a Crowder, Shapiro, Elder, Owens, etc - I’d demand a high ass salary! I don’t think any of us will ever understand how they think. Really makes me rethink sending my kids to a university without SERIOUS vetting first. They teach this crap in colleges now and flat shut down any conservative talking points.
I’m sure you can guess this person ended up calling me a Nazi. They love insulting ppl who make factual points with words like that. They have the Intellectual bandwidth of gnats.
"i didn't kill your father"
"then why did you run?"
WHY ARE YOU RUNNING!? WHY ARE YOU RUNNING!?
EVERYBODY IN WAKANDA KNOWS KUNG FU!
Ps: I know that is from a different Ugandan film but Who Killed Captain Alex is a masterpiece and deserves to be referenced at every opportunity.
@@justafox5356 Who Killed King T'challa by Wakaliwood Productions
@@adrianpaul1985 That would objectively be a better film than Black Panther.
"I dunno man, an old man broke into my apartment, then swat busted in and a dude in a cat suit is trying to kill me. When all I wanted was some plums."
Instead of little Ugandan knuckles, you see little black panthers chasing the Winter soldier.
"Save the dream" kills me everytime
Ok...
"colonizer" -> 30 minutes later -> "you're not responsible for your father's mistakes"
LOOOOOOOOOOOOL
I was so annoyed by that colonizer thing. Yeah sure, but their nationalism was perfectly fine, right? Imagine the Wakandans were white in this movie.
Well no because he works for the CIA which actively protects the subjugation of the 3rd world.
A white person says it: racist
A black person says it: comedic relief
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@@evannesbitt7852 CIA actively protects the subjugation of the 3rd world, good one.
And every one said Black Panther was the 1st Black revolutionary film.
Everyone said Deadpool was the 1st R rated revolutionary comic book movie.
Everyone said Capt Marvel was 1st independent female non-love intrest comic book movie.
BLADE STARTED IT ALL!!! in 1998.
you forgot Meteor man and Blank man
MauLer mentions Steel (albeit in a snarky fashion), which was also amazing.
Spawn
- 1997
Blade is awesome.
The main thing I heard about Deadpool was that it broke records for a R rated movie
The comics give a better explanation of the process of becoming black panther: first you must defeat the previous black panther or his chosen champion, you can eat the herb/drink the juices made from the herb then you must be chosen by the panther God as worthy. And even if you get to the last step, unless your body /physiology is correct (only T'challa's family has been so far in the comic), the Herb WILL KILL YOU if your system isn't purged of it. Meaning yes you can go through the combat and be chosen just to die of food poisoning.
Ike of Pyke That seems like it would've been useful info
How does inheritance work, then? Does that skip the first step?
Magnemania nope still have to fight he last one/his chosen champion
K Yardie his champion/the king's closest family member, like T'challa fights his uncle(who isn't Killmonger's dad in the comics, Killmonger's dad was another guy who was forced into fighting for Klaw/stealing the vibrianium and killed for it) to become the black panther.
Still doesn't explain how TChalla is the Black Panther in CW, but then becomes the Black Panther again here.
Don’t forget that Wakanda could have stopped slavery but didn’t
Don't forget that Africans weren't the only people enslaved
They probably were slavers
Considering how much the modern MCU loathes anything originating from Europe, I wonder how the Transatlantic slave trade ended in it. Did the underequipped, undermanned, untrained slave population manage to simultaneously rise up and overthrow the EEEEEEEVIL Europeans instead of Europe as a whole deciding 'no, this is absolutely abominable, we're all voting to end this institution and bloody well going to war with an African kingdom that refuses to stop raiding their neighbours? In the MCU's timeline, did the slaves overtake North America and singlehandedly wage war against the white Americans, demanding freedom after they proved their superiority by crushing the Caucasians?
I wouldn't put it past them.
Or they did as the congo kings had done, enslaved and sold black people to the whites for money and goods
Considering real world history (as opposed to fanfics like 'The Woman King'), a number of African tribes fought to maintain slavery & keep that trade alive.
“Don’t let past mistakes define who you are.”
*ten minutes earlier*
“COLONIZER!”
To be fair, we still are very imperialistic. It's not like the US doesn't start wars in other countries to take their resources.
@@JagdeepSingh-bs3cw the goal isnt to colonize so not sure what your point is.
@@jade4781 dude, we have permanent military bases all over the world. Military contractors and oil tycoons building plants. We exert control over their politics, with said military presence. What don't you see, exactly?
@@JagdeepSingh-bs3cw Eh... The US wars are probably he worst example of imperialism, and it's not like you attacked an innocent regime, like... A non imperialistic one ?
(but "Military contractors and oil tycoons building plants. We exert control over their politics" is a far better example since it applies to much more countries. I mean, if trying to make some money out of the destruction of an actual dictature ; for fraudulent reasons, it's a shame your country had to mess up so massively on that point, and the way it dealt with the aftermath ; is imperialism, then the occupation of west Germany was imperialistic. Also... imperialistic and colonizers are two different things. As far as I know, there is no US colony in Africa still ran by the US, so exit Liberia. And having plenty of military basis all over the world... Meh, it highly depends on the context I would say, and the deal made with local governments, it's not in itself proof of imperialism)
@@nathanjora7627 Colonialism is defined as a practice in which a power sets up colonies or settlements elsewhere (in other countries or territories) (Singh, 2001) for the political and economic benefit of the colonizing country. ... So, imperialismserves as the underlying ideas, whereascolonialism is an established form ofimperialism.Nov 21, 2016
This is what popped up when I googled imperialism vs colonialism. I just thought it was funny because the dude who wrote this has the same last name as me (I swear it's not me). Anyways, I don't know if we can say it's the the worst example, it fits all the criteria. It doesn't matter if the regime we toppled were innocent, plus things are worse off now than before, for us and them. And it's not like that is the reason why we attacked, it was for their natural resources in Iraq. As far as making deals with the locals, I don't think the locals had a choice, so hardly a deal. Why did you put most of your response in parentheses?
I think the one thing that bugged me about this movie the most was how Vibranium was a cure-all/Deus Machina for literally everything and could do literally anything.
they might as well say the mine magic
Completely agree. All the praise but they didn’t realize they instantly gave their main character “Superman” complex. The worst part of the movie for me was going in thinking vibranium was a finite resource and was in incredibly limited supply. When I seen they built a ENTIRE city out of it and gave it all these magical properties that have never been mentioned before I knew we immediately had a problem.
If they made a dildo out of it what would the performance be i wonder.
Sergei Bash Vibrate everytime it hits the cervix
Funny thing is that when I thought about it later, it stoped looking so silly. If Vibranium in its basic state could be as pliable as copper (so that even stone-age/bronze-age humies could work with it) but at the same time with developing new ways to process it (through some alloys or refining etc) to make it harder and purer centuries later , it really could kickstart your society in technology way above rest of the world.
This premise is not as crazy as it sounds. Even today we have many inventions that could work miracles if only we had the right superconductor and so on.
Of course fact that they did not conquer rest of the world and that they stayed hidden all the time is silly. But if Vibranium existed it could make Wakanda as strong as it did. Only thing I would love to see more is if they would put higher emphasis on them almost worshiping that metal.
"Then why did you run?"
*Glances at bulletproof catsuit*
No reason
I know you made a joke but BP was referring to the police. Bucky ran from the police and then BP attacked. He was waiting to see if attacking would be necessary, because if Bucky was captured by the police, he could just talk to the CIA and take him to wakanda for trial (as he does later).
@@duwanglover7730 thanks Sherlock
@@commoncanadians9830 you're welcome Watson
@@duwanglover7730 lol
@Goddamn 47 no reason. just felt like it. (I actually don't remember anymore)
You know for the longest time when Ultron said "The versatile substance in the universe and they used it to make a frisbee" I always thought he was referring to plastic and I thought it was a wildly interesting concept since plastic ranges from frisbees to explosives.
lmfao, imagine the truth that vibranium was just really good plastic all along
More like petroleum, from gas to medication with plastic, ferrilizer, and explosives between.
I always hated that line, because its basically an edgelord statement
The fucker downloaded the internet into his brain and doesnt understand, that plastic is found in everything since the 20th century, from clothing, through tools, to, like you said, explosives
How did you think that? Ultron mentions vibranium a lot and the body they're making that Ultron is directly commenting about is made of a bunch of vibranium they stole as a major plot point in the movie.
@@bbjygm Because Ultron’s statement doesn’t make sense if he’s referring to vibranium.
Vibramium *isn’t* “the most versatile substance”, it’s a metal that absorbs vibrations. Making a shield out of it is the best use possible. And Cap’s shield isn’t “a frisbee,” it’s one of the most versatile (heh) weapons in the world, with both defensive and offensive capabilities that can be use as both a melee weapon and a long-distance weapon.
I know, *I know,* later they decided vibranium is now liquid magic, and just adding vibranium to something makes *_poof_* technology or something now, but that is quite possibly one of the silliest things they did in the MCU. I’m referring to the time when the movies were grounded in something resembling logic and reality, and actions had consequences.
Fun fact about the "dominating the continent" thing
That's basically why the Bantu are the main ethnic group of sub Saharan Africa
They got metal tools and weapons via trade and genocided their way from just south of Morocco to South Africa
Rannos22 sorry i do not associate with hosroty
Bantu don't dominate West Africa, so "South of Morocco" is way too north
They didnt get it by trade they where blacksmiths and masters at working steel everything else tho was correct and no one cares bro like pointing out shit africans did doesnt suddenly make other shit justified and likewise
Why did you use the term sub-Saharan African? Like you correctly said mos Africans north of the Sahara where white, wether they were Egyptians, Phoencians, Carthagenians, Romans, for tens of thousands North Africa was pretty much white. (There still are white berber tribes in the mountains in morroco). With this in mind why would anybody have made a comment about the Continent being for one race? Or "dominating the Continent" it just goes to show how skewed people thinking is today.
@@RanMaru144 That's not the point though. It's the hypocrisy of using "colonizer" to describe those in power in America when those in power in Africa also colonized their own country.
The most annoying part is that T’Challa is supposed to be an expert in most hand to hand combat. Meaning he can kick anyone’s ass WITHOUT the suit, but the suit of course gives him an edge, helps him fight against powerful villains. In Civil War, he’s actually like a competent fighter; specially that one scene against Bucky. But in this movie... He just feels like Captain America and Iron Man had a baby lmao. I think that’s my personal biggest issue. He doesn’t feel like Black Panther, definitely not the one in Civil War. Which is not absolutely nailed, but better than this version.
You mean with Steve's brain and Tony's body? Ending with a character lacking the physical and mental prowess?
@@karlijns4816 The fuck you mean? Steve is a genius tactician. Yes, he's not about inventing and using technology, but he will beat Tony in the same environment because he's so much better at strategy and tactics
@@DorkN313 hes saying hes not as smart as possible like you shown you arent
that is basically black panther. With a little bit of Aquaman.
Civil War did him better.
RIP Chadwick Boseman. Black Panther wasn’t a perfect movie, but you were the perfect T’Challa.
The Evil Presence Lurking Around this was cringe
Its only fittint being as this movie gave me cancer
stuck Norris come on man that’s far
Absolutely 💯 percent
Perfect T'Challa? Compared to whom? Some voice actors that you would have to look up? Your sentimentality is exaggerated and disingenuous.
Something just occured to me. Did the Wakandans outside the shield, the ones that the world think are impoverished, did they accept aid from relief workers? Did they let the Peace Corps give them food and water and medical supplies, taking away from other people who actually need those things? If they didn't, how did they explain this?
Normally I would say they accepted the supplies and then after the Peace Corps left they went and gave the supplies to people that actually needed it.
But in this version they clearly don't give a single shit about anyone else, so obviously they wouldn't have.
@@haku8135 It's little things like this that none of the writers think about that poke holes in their "noble" narrative.
No not at all? Did you watch the movie?? It is out right said that wakanda does not accept foreign aid
@@ty------ A tribal society that's notably impoverished in a world where Tony Stark exists and has made technology that could massively improve the lives of people like them and they say "No"?
Yeah that isn't suspicious as fuck. You COULD argue they're just isolationist so it makes sense they'd refuse...... Buuuuut they're not are they? Cause isolationists don't send their fucking kings to foreign conferences and the United Nations.
What justification could they possibly have for engaging in politics yet not accepting foreign aid? They're POOR and have NOTHING, yet they're on the political stage? WHAT ELSE WOULD THEY WANT!? Keep in mind the entire world believes up until the END of this movie that they're just some farmers in the middle of bumfuck nowhere. Yet they want to play as isolationist AND have a say in politics? That's not how that works.
There's no fucking angle you can defend this movie from and remain honest.
@@ty------ I find it hard to believe that a supposedly impoverished nation would turn away aid, and *_NOT_* draw suspicion.
T'Challa is the creator of the suit in the comics as well as being an engineering and programming genius on the level of Tony Stark and Reed Richards(See Illuminati in Marvel comics), and is considered to be one of the top three martial artists in the world. That is why he is uniquely the Panther. The Panther did not wear the suit before T'Challa. It's his invention. I don't know why they divested him of this save they found it too parallel with Iron Man(Frankly it is why the two constantly butt heads in the comics. They are mirror images of each other: heirs to their respective kingdoms who rebelled to become superheroes). Also, Wakanda is a monarchy. You cannot challenge for kingship. (Killmonger, via comics, assumed the throne through being a rightful heir when T'Challa was presumed dead, not by punching people. He did punch some people, though.) You CAN challenge to become the Black Panther in a yearly tournament, which is a domestic military position seperate from the Ruler. It makes more sense, as you would want a strong warrior to protect the kingdom. The Panther is NOT however in charge of the military. Many of T'Challa's problems in the comics come from him trying to be in both roles, which was mostly unprecedented; that and he's a interdimensional f-boy(see T'Challa and Susan Richards, and Storm, and...you get it.). In the comics, Wakanda is not some stylized central-African village with laser lighting. It is futuristic, although their clothing remains some weird mix of a dozen different countries. And they have guns. Lots of guns. Okay AND spears, but they are energy projectile weapons. They do not share the Herb with the general Wakandan public because it was the center of a huge conflict in the past. So it was ruled that only the Panther will take it, and anyone is welcome to tryout. Good luck beating the best fighter in the hemisphere, though. I find the movie pandering. Rhino's? Really?
-black Marvel fan
do you know where i can read the comics?
You forgot to mention the panther god which was a huge reason why they didn't expand. Which was always a interesting topic since it creates a interesting parallel to the "divine right" monarchies in which Wakanda had a literal one. But thanks they took the Africa part and through out all the lore that made it interesting.
Still doesnt make up for the numerous plot holes and issues xD
This was refreshing to read
What you said isn’t true at all. His father wore the suit long before him. Canon fact from an old comic in the early 2000’s
I've always had this issue with Wakanda: Vibranium may be the strongest metal on earth, but how did that make Wakanda so futuristic? It's just another metal. It can't be turned into futuristic tech just because it's a special metal.
Because they're black. Mixed with vibranium... Boo-yah!
Heresy! How dare you question the logic of these masterpieces of cinema! I'm triggered. I'm offended. I'm going to have a hissy fit and call you all kinds of juvenile names!
Stephen Grigg There are black women taking pictures of Wakanda, and captioning them:
''This is what Africa would be like if whites minded their own business.''
But yeah whites are circle-jerking lol! You're not going to get anywhere with that mentality, but keep on blaming whites for your own failures you sad little man.
We're klansmen for defending our own?? Why do black people get to defend their own but why not white people? You do know that we're less than 15% of the world's population don't you?
"defending our own" who, racists? I know you're not talking about white people in general because we never asked for any help. the majority of white people get along perfectly fine with other races and actually don't even consider that shit. it's you fools who have to turn a majority black film into an attack on white people that make me sick(same crybaby shit happened when luke cage came out). you're sheltered and small minded and really need to get a life crying like it's the end of the world over a movie written and produced by white people.
Your "white people only make up 15% of the world now" shows how your racism stems from fear. why did you throw that stat out there? it's not relevant to this discussion and just conveys your fear mongering tendencies. both of you seriously need to get a life.
Step 1: Find a gigantic amount of vibranium
Step 2: Don't get ultra advanced before hundreds of years because you don't have the tools to use, exploit and study that metal
Yeah exactly how the fuck did they even mine the indestructible metal with their stone age tools?
Sid Meier's Civilization
This, fucking this. They show the vibranium crashing in the earth in the intro of the movie and completely skipped over the whole process of building a city out of it. I thought I was the only one who noticed until I came across this comment. Thanks.
@@radekchrabota only thing I can think of is using chipped off bits of vibranium but that still sounds like bs
Yea but they had the purple goo I'm sure that gives them plenty of ideas
A quick note on dagger in heart: Stab wounds tend to work that way. The blade would prevent the blood from escaping... of course, offer not valid if the blade is in the heart itself, but if it hit a vein, that scene would not be absolutely impossible.
Also; if you find a stab victim, don't remove the object.
Yeah but if you're stabbed in the heart even if you dont remove the knife you're dead quick, even a pistol bullet to the heart kills you fast because your body loses functionality.
@@angryman_ Stop thinking of the heart as one singular object. It is a collection of structures, and each structure responds differently.
@@effincook4176 A knife is going to destroy basically the entire heart so the argument stands.
@@angryman_ Ah thank you. This is the exact example I needed to show why such thinking is stupid.
How EXACTLY is the knife going to destroy the entire heart?
Specifically, what parts of the heart can suffer damage and not cause death, vs what will?
How much damage is that?
Ok come educate me you cute lil muffin you.
@@effincook4176 How is a knife bigger than the heart going to destroy the majority of the heart upon being stabbed by it? Gee, I dunno Einstein how do you THINK it's going to destroy it? At 40:42 the blade is larger than the fist holding it, hearts are about the same size as an enclosed fist. If it was a smaller blade like a switchblade sized one it's possible he could POTENTIALLY survive but you would be completely unconscious and would not be able to have made it to the sunset regardless.
Feel free to keep sperging out atrocious arguments though, that and your reddit spacing make you look like a total buffoon.
Late to the party, but I don’t get why Shuri was calling the white guy “colonizer.” Is she not aware that her ancestor seized land that didn’t belong to him and conquered the surrounding tribes to create Wakanda? How is she not a “colonizer” too?
Dog House sure
Because she's black and you're thinking too much
It don't be rayciss wen dey duz it
It's because Europeans are historically known for colonizing other countries like the American continent and the African continent
@@nicholassims5366 Everyone has "colonized" somewhere else sometime in history.
The Egyptians had sub-African slaves, the Romans conquered the Greeks, and Native American tribes took over eachothers' land all the time. And yes, Wakanda "colonized" and took over four other tribes in their own history.
Igniting gunpowder to create enough force and pressure to throw a piece of metal hundreds of yards is primitive.
Stabbing people with a stick is civil.
What?
To be fair, they have energy weapons.
@@danieldaw1778 Which from their appearance in Infinity War IIRC aren't much better than, and may even be inferior to, firearms. Their energy weapons have a lower rate of fire than firearms, look awkward to hold and use, and the projectile moves slower than a bullet. I was reminded of the Stargate SG-1 episode where they compared the Jaffa staff weapon to a P90 and demonstrated that despite the staff being an energy weapon the P90 (and firearms in general) was the superior weapon.
@@demonplague87 In fire rate only. They're much me destructive on a per shot basis. They also don't have an ammo source that can be removed from the weapon nor is it reliable in ammo. It also doubles as a close quarters weapon. And if the other spears seen in Wakanda are any indication, they can probably be collapsed for easy transport. That were one shotting super human space dogs stronger than T'challa and Steve. They also apparently have a man portable half spear that fires a sonic cannon capable of one shotting a tank. I know this comment section is a dogpile of anti Black Panther sentiments, but there are notable advantages to their energy weapons despite the disadvantages. Oh, and their energy weapons don't seem to have any recoil or a chance of overheating the actual firearms do.
I wonder
Maybe it’s...a joke?
@@LmaoMoni that makes no sense. Jokes are funny with a little truth but it's so random and stupid.
i checked up on it, there is no explanation as to why only the king gets the herb juice.
this movie won 3 oscars by the way.
Won 3 out of the *4* it was nominated for. Jesus christ...
@@ebenezerosaghae Why would we have to read outside material that easily could've been explained in an offhand comment in the film?
@@ebenezerosaghae Maybe you should watch the video then. MauLer isn't the type to let his politics slip into his videos anyway, lmao. I've watched 3+ hour podcast of his after 6+ hour podcast and I legitimately can't tell where he stands politically. Watch the vid before assuming why he hated the film.
Soundtrack, Production Design and Costume. Politics aside, BP actually killed it with those 3 areas.
@@azix2915 So basically the things related exclusively to how pretty the movie looks and sounds, not to how solid or good the plot is.
Did slavery happen in the MCU like it happened in the real world? If so I guess that means Wakanda just watched while thousands of Africans were enslaved and also sold to America? I mean they easily had the ability to stop it but I guess they are just that selfish.
You're not supposed to think about it that hard... That's like some kind of deductive reasoning... Who does that?
Actually slavery was going on for 100s of years before the white man came along in Africa
@@tetsushatarii2108 But it does bring up the question about Wakandan apathy.
So it's valid.
They watched other African tribes murdering and enslaving each other while they...sat there? Also how were they exempt from that? Its not like they were SUPER high tech for ages before hand. Actually come to think of it, if vibranium is so hard to work with how were they mining it before modern times? And how did they figure out how to utilize it as a power source? And how did no one else notice? The other tribes would have been chomping at the bits to take over something so rare.
We're not supposed to talk about how slavery was a fundamental building block of African civilization long before white people came around.
So, this movie pretty much un-badassed the Black Panther.
Years of training and education to become the king and guardian of Wakanda?
Nope. Just have some flower juice.
He had the exact same flower juice in the comics and all other materials. It’s what gives him his powers. And he’s just as skilled without them.
Then why didn't they PORTRAY him as just as skilled without them? The waterfall fights made him look like a lucky amateur.
Black Panther has no skill. He has an indestructible vibranium suit. He doesn't even bother dodging the gunfire, he just runs right towards people. In the suit he shows almost no tactics, since nothing can slow him down other than a 40mm apparently. When he loses the suit he gets his ass handed to him.
@@KingOfBattle119 you're missing some nuances there.
Just the way I saw it. He reminded me of Faora from Man of Steel, how she just plows through the Rangers with no regard, since their weapons can't hurt her. Except she was actually cool and scary.
Only time he shows any real talent is in Civil War. I mean his suit in Black Panther literally blows people up THE MORE HE GETS HIT. So it rewards the fact he doesn't dodge anything, because he can purple vibranium blast everybody and be even more indestructible.
“If you’re nothing without flower power then you don’t deserve it”
HAHAHA!
So.... white guys with money in the USA? HA!
"If you're nothing without the balls then you dont deserve it."
captain America would be nothing but a dead simp with out his roids lmaoo
@@444dre6He'd be an American. 🫡🇺🇸
This movie was nominated for 4 Oscars and won 3.
That's just silly....
himode well that seems a bit... much
It didn't win anything for its story or acting. A movie with an average story can be great in other aspects. Suicide Squad had a oscar as well.
No himode. Everyone knows this movie only got great reviews and Oscars because it had a black superhero. Writing be damned! We must love this movie!!! I feel bad for the black community that it sucked so bad.
Mike O'Barr I was so happy when it didn’t receive best picture.
@himode I think that's untrue because anyone can act!
And whether, or not, someone can act well is completely subjective. You shouldn't say any race of people can't do x based on something superficial.
Man if only you knew how bad things were gonna get 5 years ago when you made this video. Marvels quality has fallen into an abyss.
“We are vegetarians” tachala is found by a fisherman.
Well vegetarianism is a bit of a spectrum if they said they were vegans than I would be just as up in arms as you. Some ppl are vegetarians but still eat fish. The common denominator tho is not eating land based animal meat. After all vegetarians still eat eggs and drink milk. Once u cross the threshold to veganism that’s where u avoid anything animal related
Biker241 I would’ve thought they would’ve said that they’re pescatarian if they ate fish but fair enough.
I mean I can catch a fish and sell it
Pablo Vela that’s a good point they may just be selling it and not even eating it considering they don’t share the same advanced society as the other wakandans
@@biker2416 Being vegan for the common tribesman would be nigh impossible I'd assume.
Me: Wow! Killmonger is such a nuanced and sympathetic villa...
Killmonger: Kill all the colonists!
Me: ...uh...
Forest Whitaker: SAVE THE DREAM!
I loved him in his first scene in the museum. He's intelligent, manipulative, cruel, and very scary. And then in the rest of the movie he's basically all "Raararrrghgghghgah"!
@@lluewhyn I thought so too, but in the museum nobody calls him out on his bullshit.
What did you expect from someone named "Killmonger"?
Forest whitaker been trying to save the dream watching these guys ruin star wars and marvel.......save it please!
Iron monger was arguably better in a Claudius from hamlet fashion.
you see all wakandans have a very advanced armour called: plot armour
Noice
the plot will protect you
*i said you cant die because of the plo-*
Well this didn't age well.
@@ginge641 well, he was american, not wakandan, guess that's his plot armor sadly didn't work
This is actually the least diverse movie I’ve ever seen
Me when there's no white people :(
Diversity is just a codeword for no white people.
Diverse used to mean a lot of different races but now it just means as few white people as possible
@@GippyHappy LOLOLOL you guys are lost as shit. white folks own and feature in EVERYTHING and when you only have one and he has to be quiet in the film, of course you are in your feelings lol. pick some books up, quickly lol
@@GippyHappy Exactly right. You see films or tv series now promoting their diversity and there is not 1 white person. I always hear the equality argument and it's like ok that doesn't mean you exclude 1 race because you want to over correct. Doing so means you're just as bad as the so called racist people you claim are evil.
The greatest sin is that this movie is now up for an Oscar and Infinity War isn't.
What's sinful is people thinking EITHER of these movies deserve oscars. They're great IMO but both far from deserving best picture
Avengers:Infinity War genuinely deserves a chance for an Oscar,not the Black Panther movie.
Oscars are such biased crap, I don't even want them to win it
@@alexanderheughan9907 IW deserves an Oscar for best CGI and/or sound effects, it sounded and looked terrific. Unfortunately, Marvel will never win a best picture Oscar, because they simply do not know how to make an actual proper film.
@@MoLetalis Nah, Marvel CG has always been hideous, First Man deserved the Oscar.
So uncivilized...
Hello there.
NucleaRaptor General Kenobi
You are a bold one!
I have the high ground
YoU uNdErEsTiMaTe My PoWeR !
Wakanda: An African society that values technological advancement and innovation, and carries on a lineage of time tested and rich cultural traditions.
Also Wakanda: You can be the next king as long as you're stronger than the last guy.
Well is it preferable to go to a full blow Civil War and waste countless life's resources and time , or simply if the noble family's aren't happy with the current rule been able to challenge them for the rigth to rule with out having to break out war , and who knows the movie doesn't tell us all the rules of ascending the throw it could be that noble family can have there best fighter or champion fifth the guy and the noble family gets to rule or it could be that if more then one family is against they a rulers they can get vote it out and the figth at the water fall is just for show as in tradition we don't know the comics go into it deeper am sure and am sorry wrote this whole thing I am indeed very stupid but I hope I gave u a different perspective thank you and have wonderful day
@@raymundoserna3449 dude, its a highly advanced society with technology beyond the understanding of its neighbors, and they still didnt evolved past stone age politics? Whats the point of being the most advanced society on the planet when your political system is more backwards and primitive than some neothilitical societies? They never bored to even read books made outside Wakanda? Its just stupid writing
@@raymundoserna3449 Sorry but "rule of the strongest" was ditched by societies as soon they became farmers for an reason. You need brains to survive as an farmer, muscle while important comes second, societies who adhered to that idea did not do well.
If your societie is technical advanced it becomes even more important.
Think very hard, even in an armee, would you want the best fighter or the best tactician running the show?
@@AndreLuis-gw5ox EXACTLY!!!
@@AndreLuis-gw5ox Something something traditions good, culture good, gotta respect the traditions and culture, except when parts of those traditions and cultures go against modern morals and ethics, then you gotta cut those parts out of media representation.
"Flies right past regular Wakandans, and some fuck is waving to them"
Gets me every time, and I don't even know why I find it funny.
17:50 - MauLer, when you mentioned killing a guy with a shoe, you missed a golden opportunity to use the clip from Austin Powers of Random Task throwing a shoe at Austin's head. "Who throws a shoe, honestly?!" Shame, MauLer.
OMFG that's brilliant, i'm so sorry I didn't think of that, that would be a dream edit.
Holy fuck. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!! Epic
MauLer Always remember to include clips of Austin Powers, he makes everything funnier.
Fun fact: the actor who played Random Task went 0-4 as a UFC fighter, and is serving life in prison for torture, kidnapping, and rape. He was also convicted of manslaughter for killing his cell mate! The more you know, I guess.
But we know that the real reason he is serving life in prison is due to him throwing just one shoe too many...
As a black person, I was very excited for Black Panther. I watched with my family when it came out in February and absolutely loved everything about it - the acting, the plot, the music, everything. Fast forward to December 2018 and me and my family watched it again for Christmas ... and I immediately realised I initially viewed the film through rose-tinted glasses simply because it had a predominately black cast and focused on black culture. I found that I wasn't as invested in the story as I was back in February, the jokes weren't as funny and everything about the film was just very, very average. I don't hate it by any means, but I definitely do not love it anymore. It's just ... there for me.
I watched Attack of the Clones twice before the Star Wars trance broke.
As a black person, this movie was good initially... and good af 2.5 years later. The scene when Killmonger goes under to talk to his father is genius.
You all gave money to the people that expected it acting like they expected. I'm happy you re-watched!
Pretty accurate description
I treat chef a few times then I realize it really sucks. Yes the spear stuff & the casting is great & the humour is fun but Kill-monger was just a bland copy like Antman or Iron man 1 did. The bad guy was boring & carbon copy. Not to mention the horrible cgi fight. I thought the film industry & comic book movies evolved from that. I’m sorry but the writing plot is shit & very generic compared to Guardians of the galaxy. Things had to change fast from the hero fights copycat or face comic book movie fatigue.
I love how the creators actually thought a villain who wanted to commit genocide and enslave the planet was somehow a sympathetic villain because his dad got killed as a kid.
lol big dumb writing
The villain wanted to favour blacks over every other ethnicity, so in a way he was a SJW doing some BLM agenda, which is egoistic af but nobody in Hollywood would point that out because the liberal would pile on them. Political agenda, pure and simple.
RODRIGO ODÓN SALCEDO CISNEROS "SJW BLM LIBERALS SNOWFLAKE AM I SMART YET GUYS?" This is you, you people have such limited arguments and vocabulary it's embarrassing
Its a bit more than his dad being killed, you know?
@@Soniman001 Is your archive of of words not limited as well? You belittle them for not using more intricate words, yet you do no better. Not to mention your grammar is abhorrent.
Oh boy. Three years and this video still brings me joy. Thank you, Mauler.
An African nation that wasn’t colonised.......
Do they not know about Ethiopia?
Hey don't you try to use historically based facts to make a point. It's unfair.
@Jules Winnfield Zimbabwe is not a bad as you think it's still livable as half my family is there
@@cashmancool2879 it's livable, but it's a pretty crappy country, the currency is worth less than paper and there is tons of poverty, hell its only aatter of time before the entire thing falls about like an unstable jenga table
Probably not.
Ethiopia was colonized by Italy in 1935.
I dunnoh about farming rhinos, but I have regularly interacted with rhinos over the course of my life and they are basically large dogs... Large dogs that could kill you by accidentally leaning on you, but still. They love being scritched behind the ears.
Interesting 🤔
Work with conservation?
I want cloaks that make a shield wall
In this film the rhinos are used as war horses. Like the warg wolves in LotR.
Aka: Tank puppies
Please don't tell people this...there are people dumb enough to think this movie was good meaning they would be dumb enough to not know you are talking about rhinos in captivity...someone will be on a trip to Africa and get hashtaged instantly by a rhino because it has terrible eye sight
Don't forget at the end the first thing the black kids from da hood say about the ship that appears is how they are going to JACK IT and a sell it for parts......... WOW.
Wat would little white sheltered kids say lets hear it
thatBigfuu probably something else
So instead of agreeing and saying "You're right! That was racist and stereotypical as shit!"....you respond with "what would sheltered white kids say"?............Basically, you're saying the scene was true to life. So what ya mad about mate?
Turkalicious Not only that, he also immediately plays the victim and blames the whites again saying they can't do better. Pathetic.
@@TheStraightestWhitest
Well one of the points in the movie is that killmonger grew up in a rough black area.
If the kids said something like wow the polishing of the metallic vehicle is purely sublime with an astonishing finish you sould complain about the kids not sounding realistic and that sjws are exemplifying again. But now that they try to create a scene of children in the hood you say its too stereotypical. So what do you want them to say about a spaceship
The most unrealistic thing in this movie is how women are treated as equals in an African society. Traditional values are pretty heavily present, even today here in South Africa for example
"not enough misogyny for my liking. 0/10"
That's not really the point... they're supposed to be the most advanced society, and if anything they should be more advanced.
@@makinoathesleepy8225 considering their tradiitons, and the fact they fucking farm rhinoceri and use spears, i call bullshit on "most advanced society". technologically, sure (even then, it's really no. they have access to a super material, even still their tech level is lower than most of the world, outside the ruling family.) culturally? fuck no, they are literally behind fucking Rome and Greece, in terms of culture/politics and so on and so forth. the only advantage they have, is tech, and they've done fuck all with it.
so the OP is right, they should be extremely patriarchal.
@@royalscholar7504 It's supposed to be fantasy then? because the real world ain't that sweet
@@royalscholar7504 literally based though
this video made me realize that black panther's balls were a very important plot device
You forgot about two thing, my black balls. - Kanye West
12:38 Fun fact; Rhinos are, in comparison to most other mammals, not incredibly intelligent, don't have very good vision, and are incredibly territorial and aggressive. You can find vids online of them knocking over trees and shit because their defense instinct got triggered by it, let alone any one animal that finds itself unfortunate enough to be within 20 feet of it.
The very concept of "farming Rhinos" is quite dubious at best, and you certainly wouldn't be able to treat it like it's at a petting zoo like pictured here.
Also they're like horses where they'll die from heart failure due to excess stress... like prolonged charging/running. Horses more so from stress like getting trapped in mud.
It's for the milk.
Would have made more sense if they farmed elephants since have been used in wars before.
Aw, but it's cool! I wanna see a rhino being used as a war beast.
They dont care, they got black magic to do that
I am still surprised there aren't more people who are offended at the amount of hype for such derivative and thinly-veiled pandering as this.
just goes to show how easy it is to manipulate people who lack an identity with their genetic roots. IE black americans. the only reason why so many people thought creed was a sympathetic villain is because he said, "white man bad"
Because if you dont like the movie you're racist
@@TheExterminatorGuy holy fucking hell
do you really expect anyone to read all that shit?
@Sunamer Z Lol, looks like this moron hasn't studied history.
@@TheExterminatorGuy im with u. nothing to do with intellect. seriously i had a friend(white), who asked me if i felt any responsibility for any ofthe less fortunate ethnicities because of what my ancestors did and when i said: No i have no fault in anything he looked at me as if i grew another head. its bullshit that I have to do something to do with it. i WANT to help NOT because of some sense of reparation, but because i just want ppl to live a happy life. and even then...what does that even mean. i have a darker skin complexion because my ancestors not too long ago must have been from north afrika or maybe some arabian coutry BUT i also have a greatgrandmother from Denmark, im french btw. How many ppl do i owe sth? from the arabs that conquered, the french that conquered, the vikings that conquered??? and how much is owed to me? ppl that measure their Rights that way are weak and crybabies
The museum scene is the most surprising seeing to it as they put a metal with special properties that is supposed to be rare in the museum and did not notice it's properties.
Rare at least to the rest of the world
I will be real though the movie does follow it's own logic
most things end up in museums because random people stole it and sold it. a lot of it would not be analysed and upraised.
@@exodiaexodus You're half correct. While much of the items in museums were stolen, museum curators do as much research as possible with every artifact they receive. It's completely unreasonable for the museum to not notice how unusual that metal was.
You are what CinemaSins was supposed to be. You actually make sense.
If anyone wishes to see heated discussions about the most trivial of things, click comments. If you're like me and hate children, move on.
@Sightless Sniper There are allegedly around 5.7 millions Danes, right? That's out of 7.125 billion humans. That means Danes make up 0.0912% of the planet. Thats not 9%---that's point zero nine percent, less than a percent. To put it another way, 99.9% of the planet are not Danes. How do we know this? Government censuses. Now, the best government censuses have a margin of error of at least 1%. So Danes make up 0.0912% of the planet, plus or minus one percent In conclusion: there is a 50/50 chance Denmark doesn't exist.
That's exactly what I thought. CinemaSins gives out sins like candy on Halloween. Bullshit sins. These are real sins
@@sc00t50 The conclusion? You're terrible a math lol
YES!
Eh, I agree with all of your points except the one about Cinema Sins. It was never meant to be deep commentary or serious critique. It was meant to be comedic nitpicking. Nothing more.
It's honestly a little sad how many people seemingly can't enjoy it for what it is.
"he only stealth kills 2..." me in every stealth game
Stealth was optional.
Stealth in games is for patient people.
Sometimes it is fun to stealth your way through enemies and kill them all or not even touch one.
Sometimes it is fun to blow some shit up, turn their technology against themselves and watch them run around, scream and die in a fire.
Good to see the two Tolkien white guys in this movie
Fucking hysterical!
I see what you did there! :P
At least one good one doesn't die in the first 10 minutes of the movie.
Too bad this line has been used before, you didn't come up with it, but you'll certainly take the credit for it. Trying being more creative, instead of regurgitating a joke you heard somewhere else.
Your mom
Lets not forget, Holdo said to Poe that he put the entire fleet at risk with “bad odds” while single handedly risking the entire fleet with a maneuver with the literal worst possible odds imaginable of working apparently
Not the *worst* odds. The Earthlings winning against Thanos was 14 million to one lol
@@josephsalmonte4995 not really, those were not the ods of the earthlings wining, those were the ods of dr strange surviving.
Didn’t Stark find Gollum immediately in Age of Ultron? And it took Wakanda 30 years...mOst aDVaNceD NAtiOn
Oh shit that's true. Rip wakanda
Are you being legit?
Stark also invented time travel in 5 minutes
@@liamf2300 He didn't invent time travel, He re-engineered the quantum tunnel
@@optimusprime5446 Which no one else could do. No one could do Time Travel at all. As in he could make them travel trough time instead of time traveling trough them. And it would seem like it took him one night to do it.
Finally. Everybody around me keep talking about how good this film was.... I was about to voluntarily commit myself to a mental institution, since I saw all the flaws you eloquently pointed out. Thank you for giving my sanity back.
i'd still say it's atleast ok lot of nitpics really
Marvel can throw shit (antman 2, captain marvel, black panther and even endgame etc) on ur face and people will eat it happily. But dc cant get away with MOS, shazam, bvs and gets criticized heavily. Fights in dc >>>> marvel. The final fight in endgame
@@amanferrari7866 Eh Endgame was alright
@@sneezebiscuits7239 so thanos feels power surge when wesring the glove but feels no loss of power when stark steals the stones and thanos still proceeds to snap as if he thlught he had the power ????? That was garbage
@@amanferrari7866 I said "alright". Not "good". Still better than Black Panther, but mostly pure entertainment, nothing else.
I really hate action movies where if there is a mob vs one person, everyone in the mob just waits and takes it in turns to attack like its some RPG battle
So you hate action movies since the beginning of film
What's Wrong with RPG games!? I love me some Final Fantasy and Shadow Hearts! :D
Well honestly except for very restrictive situations generally anything more than 1v2 is pretty much guaranteed to end up in the single persons loss unless the enemies are comically inept. You surround a person and at all times someone is pretty much out of sight for them and if everyone keeps them occupied while the person in their blind spot goes for the capture or kill they're pretty much screwed.
The reason it always ends up that way in movies is because if it the people were to act like people would in reality then the person fighting the group would lose.
Unless it’s Batman bc Batman is built different
@@InDeathWeLove or you just dogpile them. That works better.
Nicely done and on point. If you've watched this video carefully you'll understand that Black Panther is really an insult to black people and their capacity for development as a community.
What insult nigga,please give what about it is an insult.
@@Fighter_V487it’s kinda implying that even with so many technological advancements africans will always be unga bunga outdated tribalistic cultures, like it’s just inherent to that region of the world or smthn
@@DeepfriedBeans4492 Did u not realize how racist “unga bunga tribal culture” is??
@@Fighter_V487 How is it racist? I said "africans", you do realize there are plenty of non black people in africa, right? I'm talking about the culture, how they actually live. "Unga bunga" means strength above intelligence, picking your ruler based on who has the best physical prowess is by that definition, "unga bunga". The color of their skin has nothing to do with it.
@@DeepfriedBeans4492 Clearly you didn’t read what I commented cause I never specifically said anything about the color of someones skin or africans in general,so what the hell are you talking about,plus I literally just double checked what unga bunga means…the main result is literally to describe a gorilla like character in a game,and you applied that to black people,how is that not racist.
"I am not killing those that I hate, merely saving those I love from seeing these movies, hopefully."
Nice.
Luis Gomes WE DON'T SPEAK ABOUT THAT MOVIE 'ROUND HERE BOY!
Black Panther was so cool in Civil War... He even made more sense in it.
Exactly, the problem is he had his whole arc in it so when this movie comes around, he's just normal good guy
His part in Civil War was why I was so hyped for the Black Panther movie. Alas, social politics are like a disease, and it infected all forms of media.
No... in Civil War he was a LUNATIC, wandering around and trying to murder people because he pretty arbitrarily decided that they were bad. In pretty much every other movie that makes you the VILLAIN.
@@HerculesBallsInc that’s not how it was at all
@@HerculesBallsInc well, he was an antagonist (albeit a minor one) in that movie, but his character was more interesting.
It's like they assigned a child to create the visual layout of Wakanda. Whoever designed Wakanda's layout clearly struggled with blending traditional African structure and design with futuristic asthetic and technology.
OverWatch did it so much better. Sad that Marvel looked at Africa and said “dirt huts are their culture” rather than blending in their art into their structures. Kinda like how Western civilization took the columns and marble floors of the Greek as their distinctive architectural look. Maybe some nice wood working and beautiful tanned leathers, Marvel? Not thatch fucking huts.
Because "African" and "technology" are inherently incompatible
@@Superabound2 Looks like "You" and "Intelligence" are inherently incompatible.
Agreed. A modern office building, celebrating African heritage would have ceremonial masks, spears, etc on the walls inside the building. You don't LITERALLY add mud and straw huts into the design of a modern building because that's idiotic in terms of the building's function.
This is the comment I was looking for. Thank you.
"Try again next time."
Aged terribly, second try was far more repulsive than this one.
-We need something to stich the holes in the script...
-Balls.
-Say no more.
😄😄😄
Didn't know AC/DC wrote for Black Panther.
Guns are very uncivilised and primitive assuming you have plot armour.
MrCompassionate01 Ah plot armour👌
That’s basically all of Marvel Universe. I mean shit Thor has a mystical hammer for God sake. Guns are quite old and useless in the Marvel universe.
BlindEagle Ace Not anymore. Hela broke that shit
Astrodactyl and now he has an axe. Coming from pretty much the same point in time weapon wise don’t you think? Especially considering he doesn’t need a weapon to access his power
IXxBossxXI Back in my day, a good old shotgun blast usually did the trick. Now we got axes and shit
Please don't ever stop using that image of Luke whenever you have a "WTF" moment
Yes please, that's the best part of the awful movie tlj.
It may be the one good thing to come from TLJ
That and whenever there is a Nazi he needs to play the clip of Mark Hamill yelling “NAZI!”
I like TLJ and I still love Luke every time he says WTF. Keep it up.
I really appreciate that you mention how most of the problems would have been solved with some communication. I see tropes in so many movies and shows where if a character were the TINIEST bit more specific, whatever subplot would be immediately solved. It's such an annoying contrivance. It's one of the many, many things that turned me off anime.
black panther: throws balls
his enemies: *diagnosed with disabled*
Stick gud
Gun bad
Stick modern
Gun primitive
Stick can break a car in half.
They're shaped like spears, but they're obviously more advanced and powerful than a gun.
The people in this thread are really focused on wanting Wakanda to use guns despite that not making sense given how guns were actually invented.
Oogga booga we is kangs n shiet.
@@zombiefinatic7033 *DAS RITE!!!!!*
@Ticklemehomo and when you find a bullet that can rip a car in half and destroy a tank, please inform me.
@@JesseGolo theoretically davy crockett is a bullet, and it is a nuke so i found one.
aaaaaaaand it wins three oscars...
_Honest guys, the Academy isn't racist! We promise!_
Did you actually pay attention to what they won it for?
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 ok now I see It,this Is your second comment I see from you: I've made the mistake of thinking you were dumb now I realize you're both dumb and biased. Bad combination pal.
@@pascalsimioli6777 Sound analysis.
It won best costume design, best original score, and best production design. Are you really gonna tell me none of these were even close to warranted?
racist white guy detected lmao
This has aged so, so well.
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It went from magnanimous "we will help the world" racism in 2018 to straight up "we think we're better than you" racism in 2022.
@@mayonnaise3959 I think the OP is saying that the hype around the movie died very quickly because it didn't really deserve that hype in the first place. It's a good movie but an Oscar nomination for best picture? Black Panther isn't _that_ good.
@@BiggieTrismegistus To be fair, there are a lot of crappy movies that were nominated for or even won Best Picture Oscars.
probably not the criticism about Chadwick's performance being unemotive given he was grappling with terminal cancer at the time
“Soft racism of low expectations” The Film
how liberals see and treat black people lol
@@mekudu-man3804 Then they have a more accurate view of reality than conservatives.
@@rosameltrozo5889 based
@@rosameltrozo5889 'racism is an accurate view of reality'
This is what happens when you have +1000 science per turn put +0 culture
Oof
Guess they will have to settle for a science victory then. :)
@@realKenM touché :D
When you have +1000 science and and a machine that creates invisibility for the whole country to separate it from the whole world. Without it they would be invaded on the turn 50, if not earlier xD
After rewatching Black Panther I think I have found the main problem; World Building
Look at Wakanda. Skyscapers, people, markets everywhere. But we visit what, 3 buildings maybe? And about 2 areas? They make Wakanda seem huge but so empty. And how does Wakanda make money? Are these Skyscapers places to commute to? Is this a capitalistic society? How do the Wakandan people go about their daily life?
No, the main problem is that you are using your brain to think. You should turn it off entirely.
+AlexBarkerG
They get their Hi-Tech spears and hunt Omega-Hippos to bring back to their futuristic Plasma Mud Huts.
Honestly how this movie is not considered "racist" is beyond me. This shit is actually funny. They even have some dude with that disc in his mouth stretching it out like some African tribes do. And we're supposed to take this seriously as a culturally/technologically advanced society. While dudes are stretching their lips out to 5 feet in circumference and wearing cheetah skin clothing.
Well if their economy makes no sense, SOMETHING SOMETHING VIBRANIUM. I assume they just build ATM's out of vibranium and they just shit money, considering that it is able to do absolutely anything in this movie without any real explanation.
Except injecting too much money into the economy would cause runaway inflation, which would hurt the economy tremendously. I think I found a problem that vibranium can't fix.
Their FED is built of vibranium, perfectly manages inflation too.
T'Challa lying in ice is what broke me. He would just develop severe frostbite and after some time deadly necrosis in every extremity, while the ice doesn't actually do anything... The amount of thought put into this movie is as much as I put into taking a dump
It’s a movie,a fictional movie,why are u applying non fiction logic to a fictional movie.
@@Fighter_V487 cause fiction derives logic from nonfiction unless stated otherwise
@@DiceOL That literally makes no sense
@@Fighter_V487 no it does
@@Fighter_V487 because the fictional story is set in the real world with human beings. Would you not find it weird if someone was decapitated in saving private Ryan and they just sewed his head back on to keep fighting? It’s a fictional story, so why should he die from that?
Seriously, think about it for like 8 seconds and you’ll get there. Fiction still needs reality to draw from to make any sense.
MauLer, thank you so much for these. There are so few "review" channels that get into what's ACTUALLY wrong with movies. It's usually someone sitting and talking about how scenes were bad, it was miss cut, it was slapped together, or other surface level problems. I'm a person that cant sit through a movie if it doesn't make sense. I cant tell you how many times my wife has told me to "just shut up and watch" after explaining that things simply dont add up. If you did this for more things, not specifically movies as I enjoyed your rage on GoT equally' I would watch each and every one multiple times. As I have with each of your currently published "Unbridled Rage" series. I wish I had the means to do this myself, but the best I can do is make exceedingly long Facebook posts that only my friends and family may or may not read. My first time watching this movie, I couldn't understand why there was an issue at all. You killed someone who was going to shoot someone. How does that need to be a seceret? Why can't you take the boy back to Wakanda? Why cant you put him in the U.S. foster system? Were they lying because they didnt want anyone to know he had a kid? WHY ARE YOU LYING?! Why are you making problems where there are none? It drove me absolutely insane! People DROOLED over how good this movie was and I just couldnt fucking understand a single thing! Why didnt T'chala just tell Get Out? This movie is comparable to a bad soap opera. Is Not-Girlfriend going to get amnesia next and have an affair with T'chalas long lost evil twin brother? Fuck it hurts my head that people enjoyed this.
So again, thank you and I implore you to continue your Unbridled Rage series.
Sadly, people get dumb, and dumber every year, so movie like this shit can get lot of money from them
"I found that falling asleep had become the more relatable antagonist of the film" 😂😂😂😂😂
I absolutely love that Skywalker "what the fuck" meme you're pushing in this series. It needs to become canon.
What do you mean?
the blue-milk drinking "What the fffuck?"
unfa the return of the blue alien milk
That "Save the dream!" bit gets me every time.
Save the cheerleader, save the world!
"This suit absorbs kinetic energy."
"No, not that kind of kinetic energy, the other kind!"
Such a good, consistent, movie.
Baby Ribs OMG, so a movie set in a universe with literal Norse gods walking around, actual magic being used, a big green Hulk rampaging around, talking raccoons and trees, a guy who rides ants into battle on a toy train track, Infinity Stones, rainbow bridges and bifrosts, and Vibranium, has some scientific inconsistencies?
The difference is that they all have certain rules as to how each one is supposed to work. Sure, it seems stupid complaining about a metal being inconsistent when you put it like that, but we accept everything else because the individual rules each one sticks by. Vibrainium has it's rules clearly stated, and then proceeds to ignore those rules because the plot needs it to. And that's the problem people have with it.
King Brando When did they explain all of Vibranium’s rules and properties - i.e. “it can do X but it can’t do Y and this is how it works” - in this movie? Also, Shuri didn’t necessarily say that the suit that utilizes kinetic energy like that is only composed of vibranium, so it’s unclear if it would even have to strictly obey rules of vibranium anyway. Their technology is insanely advanced, and Shuri is a genius, so who’s to say she can’t make something that selectively uses kinetic energy? Sure, they didn’t sit down and explain all this in detail and give us the rules of how it all works, but do they explain how Ulysses’ arm thing works, or how Wakandan spears shoot energy projectiles, or how Iron Man’s nanotech suit works, or how Stormbreaker summons the Bifrost, or how everyone can breathe on Titan in IW? No, because in the grand scheme of things, those are relatively small and insignificant details that we just have to suspend our disbelief about - and the inner workings of BP’s kinetic energy suit is included in that category for me.
Jona I meant that the (ostensibly) magical beings who form the basis of Norse mythological Gods do literally exist in the MCU. Whether or not they’re actual gods is more of a semantic, definitional issue; Odin says they aren’t, but there’s a bit of a grey area there as to what exactly constitutes “a God” (vs the singular God) to the MCU humans. The underlying point is that the MCU hosts all sorts of absurdities and logical impossibilities that don’t even attempt to correspond to our reality - so to single out certain (relatively) insignificant details for a realism test is disingenuous and self-defeating.
My point exactly. They don't bother to explain how vibranium works because I'm fairly certain they themselves didn't know and just hoped that we wouldn't care. In the comics, it's just a really bullet proof metal, in the MCU, it literally does anything the plot needs it to. Sure they don't explain every other piece of tech, but for the most part it's easy to understand. Especially since it all (mostly) seems to consist of more than just vibrainium, unlike the suit.
I just love how some massively advanced African nation still uses mud hutts and sharp sticks.. That says all you need to know about Hollywood's picture of Africa😂😂😂
Actually one thing MauLer completely missed was that part of the way Wakanda keeps itself hidden from the world is by creating the facade that they are poor african nation. The reason they still use spears is because they want the rest of the world to think they don't have advanced weapons, when in truth the spears are actually more advanced than outsiders would realize. This is also seen with the border guards who have seemingly ordinary African cloaks that are actually highly advanced shields. The people the rest of the world see are the border tribe who only make themselves appear to be poor in order to keep the real wakanda hidden... And the reason why the advanced buildings look the way they do is because a country's architecture is often influenced by its culture; just because they are advanced doesn't mean they are gonna copy western style buildings especially if they were building them before the west was.
@@MonteCreations This makes no sense. If you want to display your nation as a poor one then have spears when you're out of Wakanda and actual real weapons when you're inside of it, but being honest even the poorest nations in Africa still have guns so they don't even need to cover it using spears. Btw the spears made of a material strong enough to stop a car going at a really fast speed are enough to draw attention to Wakanda's weaponry and boil this whole mess.
Edit: Do you know what also draws attention to your nation? Your future king chasing after an assassin with a bullet proof suit and superhuman attributes.
@@MonteCreations I thought they had a barrier that projects an image so that Wakanda looks like a third-rate nation. Isn't that what people have to pass through in order to see Wakanda?
They use it as a cover to shoe that they are still 'poor.' But actual Wakanda has huge cities.
@@MonteCreations You can pass yourself as poor with actual guns -_-' Poor africans countries have guns too. Shitty or old guns maybe, but even fucking sudanese pirates use guns. Pretending to use sharp sticks is so fucking racist. Did they try to see what's Africa's actual situation before making this movie ?
Coming from an African guy boy this video was somewhat of an eye opener. I mean I thought Black Panther was kickass and awesome in Civil War and was kinda excited for his own movie and when I watched it I thought I liked some stuff but I didn't really think all that much of it. Something about all the hype around it bothered me though and I hoped it wasn't something as blatant as race. But it was.
Sometimes I feel I didn't hate or dislike a movie since after a year or so if I'm no longer thinking about it I feel it was maybe ok but watching this made me realize the reason I didn't think about Black Panther was I forgot a lot of the movie as it was boring or too predictable.
Personally as a black guy (and I'm sure others can relate?) I'm sick and tired of slavery movies so I thought a movie like this would be great but...it was so so heavy handed with all the virtue signalling and "wow white guys are evil because of shit their ancestors did and blacks are awesome" that I cringed at a lot of it. Watching this video made me come to terms with all the things that made me not really care to remember it. I don't feel like I'm empowered as a black guy cause of this movie and I don't see how it's a cultural milestone honestly. Just make a good damn movie and stop telling us it's good cause it has black people, that's actually insulting.
P.S. Using that Breaking Bad scene every time you're referring to forced racial commentary is one of the few things that honestly almost killed me lmao, it just got better and better!
Add to that, they are trying to portray the most advanced civilization as tribal spearchuckers with prehistoric architecture. I wholeheartedly reject the idea that "if the white man had not enslaved the African nations through colonialism than Africa would be a paradise". The African nations with the lowest GDP are the ones that were never colonies. I will not say that this is due to any inherent inferiority but is due to tribalism and adherence to traditional practices; I.E a lack of ability to adapt to different situations.
I can remember when Blade came it, it was a hit, it had two black leads, and ended up getting 2 sequals. No one went on about what a milestone it was to have a black lead (nor did they do it with Eddy Murphy, Denzil Washington, Richard Pryer or any other black stars years before), and just about everyone no matter what their race or sex was thought it was a great movie (seen it as a teen and loved it). And nor did i once hear anyone talk about race. It was just great actors and a great movie.
Apparently not giving a shit about race years ago isnt as enlightened as pretending black stars nowadays is completely unique, never seen, amazing and enlightened. Like we were all racist years ago when we packed out cinemas.
Its Hollywood pushing a corporate product like its social justice to sell tickets.
Little Cripple Here’s to hoping they never remake those movies.
John Glass and EVEN IF IT WAS TRUE that white people enslaving African colonies is why they are poor today, (which it isn’t, but let’s just pretend that that is why), maybe if black people hadn’t invented slavery, they wouldn’t have been enslaved later. Never forget that the first slave owners were black.
@@blakedurston Black people invented slavery? Everyone knew what slavery was and had their own form of it.
As a black person I couldn't care less about this movie, especially as it was advertised as the first movie ever to feature "the darkest cast". Wow, nobody cares. Eddie Murphy already did this with the Nutty Professor.
Just say for yourself don’t speak for others, after all not every black man can be proud of his skin
@@silvermiller2234 where did he speak for others ? you sound like you have 'race traitor' in your daily vocabulary
@@silvermiller2234 And that's why they like Black Panther.
@@silvermiller2234 to be proud of one's natural skintone is racist.
@@silvermiller2234 being proud of your skin is a silly and weird thing to do. It’s skin, for Christ’s sake. Get over it and do something productive.
Take a shot every time mauler uses Tony stark rolling his eyes
Please, I don't want to die young
Excelsior
@@drag0nerd nah, it'll be fine.
@@drag0nerd too bad.
Then take 2 every time you see Thor's hand making a clenched fist. your liver better have some Black Panther balls handy.
I often wonder how the "broken white boy" would go over if ANY other race was mentioned.
Also guy from "get out" says "immigrants bring their problems" I half expected a "Make Wakanda great again" hat.
nothing cgi cant fix in regards to the hat 😏😏😏
But that'd be pronounced "Mooga" and...
I dunno, that sounds weirdly problematic.
I love how mauler constantly has to take deep breaths because of the complete stupidity of the script
Civil War was 10x better of a Black Panther movie than "Black Panther"
Yep
Civil war was a great movie for every character.
only if you don't understand how dumb the movie is… which most people don't seem to
@@exodiaexodushow so? I’m genuinely curious
@@ashuprice9719 in the first x man movie, a senator utters 2 of the dumbest lines in the entire franchise. one about how its a bad idea to have a telepath like exavier in a school, which is stupid because of how usefull a tellepath would be in a school. and the other which is relevant here. that the xmen are damgerous like drivers and therefore should be registered and held acountable… ei, the premise of the civil war story. now the problem with civil war is that it does a great job of intruducing such a good idea, but rather than explore it, it thrns int heroes fighting each other for no reason and ends with iron man losing a fight he should ha e had no trouble with. thus while it does introduce accountability, it does nothing with it.
Ill never tire of hearing “Save the dream!”
Beautiful.
It got better with each iteration.
I hear tree 🤣
"She explains that they have the ability to heal people in seconds due to Vibranium and every source of Vib... WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING?!"
Pissed myself laughing at that.
Dude same 😂😂
What I understood form Black Panther, is that despite all the technological advancements, they still operate on their tribal mentality.
Don't we all operate on tribal mentality? From our friendship groups, the sports teams we support, the brand loyalty we have to franchises and products, all the way up to our politics. It seems to be human nature.
No, not at all, especially if using the tribal system in black panther, aka trail by combat. In most tribal systems, might makes right rather then right producing might.
While groups of friends can be somewhat tribal, seeing as how gangs have territory and have wars over them, most aren't. There is no set leadership among groups of friends, people may leave and come as they please and only gain a title if the group takes part in activities.
Sports teams can be said to be tribal, as there is a trail by combat to see which players will be the most favored, however the leader isn't chosen this way. The fans are just mobs and run by anarchy, the will of the mob really.
Brands, nope, just nope. Once again, mostly mob rule.
Politics, once again. No.
Basically. From what I gathered, essentially Black Panther is set in a Feudal society.
This'd also help explain the markets. As, peasant markets tend not to offer much exceptionally valuable, since then the nobles would have no reason not to rob everything.
But I can only GUESS at that, since the movie never seems to bother to explain this.
As the guy says in prior videos; we need to avoid writing the script for the writers.
Then they are not advanced.
A “tribal system” is very different from a “social circle/group system”
The distinction is mainly that “tribal system” tend to be more... archaic... especially in regard to traditions... tribal systems tend to have more in common with religion than modern social circles...
I remember when this movie came out, everyone was just drooling over it, talking about how great and how awesome it was. I watched it, and mostly rolled my eyes through it. It was a bad movie made for one purpose and one purpose only: so the MCU didn't get labelled as racist against black people. I guess the MCU doesn't mind being racist against white people, but you know... Hollywood.
So much of this movie didn't make any sense, I just couldn't enjoy it at all. MauLer spotted some things that I didn't, but mostly I was eye-rolling for the same reasons he lists here.
Im glad to see that I wasn't crazy thinking that Black Panther was "fine"... The crazy praise this film receives is insane and from my point of view reaks of virtue signalling. Fun video and well made. Great job.
Totally Not Mark Hey man the b.a. moments of the tournament video was amazing by the way
Yeah it seems like a fine movie destroyed by politics and people making their race look worse by attacking people out of their race saying its "their movie."
suprised to see you here mark!
Makes me think of Wonder Woman.
aihoshiduo Wonder Woman was pretty mild. In fact I think feminism is pretty mild compared to racial equivilents because (ironically) feminists are more of a minority.
41:09 actually, taking out something that’s been stabbed into you can often be fatal. It’s blocking your veins, arteries, and sometimes even the heart, from internally and/or externally bleeding, and by taking out the object you can sometimes greatly increase a victim’s glance of death, and in some cases it will almost instantly kill them.
I thought same exact thing
I think the point is how long he had his heart skewered on a blade without going into cardiac arrest, the heart is still pumping the blood which results in a catastrophic drop in blood pressure to supply the brain causing near immediate unconsciousness and death.
@Jon Hesson I'm going to have to remember this.
A bit of a late post, but here I go anyway:
Knifes block wounds from bleeding out if you keep them in. This is sometimes true (it depends on the shape of the knife). There us an important condition though. You need to keep still. If the knife moves, you're causing extra damage which can/will negate the seal.
The big issue with Killmonger is that they pretend that the knife blocks a stab to the heart from bleeding out. The heart does not keep still. It constantly moves with the pumping if blood and all that jazz. On top of it, they move him, at least partially under his own power, over a long distance. Moving his arms would move the muscles in his chest, which would move the knife. Considering that he got stabbed during a periond of heavy exertion, and the short period afterwards where they talk, his heart rate would go down. Then when he moves to the surface, his heart rate will go up again. There is literally no way the knife blocks the wound for that entire period, with all the movement, and his changes in heart rate.
The CG fight of Black Panther and Killmonger are as primitive as ReBoot
Also in Civil War, it had the real suit but in this movie it's all CG.
GeneTheMachine How *DARE YOU!* Insulting Reboot like that!
@@nvfury13 maybe he ment the ReBoot reboot
I love the nicknames that Mauler gives to random characters. "Get Out" has to be one of my favorites, only after "Task Manager" for the Black Widow review.
Kay
So "vibranium" has all the qualities of silicone, conductors, plastics, magnetic metals AND can also apparently telepathically teach science, metallurgy, written language and advanced geometry. Damn, that is one cool alien metal right there....
I don't think it simultaneously did all of that. The movie just rushes through the origins and the achievements so quickly you end up getting that impression.
Don’t forget infecting plants with the ability to communicate with the dead
Uh, or maybe Africans can be smart just like anyone else?
McGuffinium
+Henric von Winklebottom
Only in fantasy.
Not often we get a movie that is so politicised. I saw an article with the title, "Black Panther shows us what Africa could have become", and goes on to qualify, if it had not been raped by 'white' conquerors.
There was no sign the author of it was aware that Africa was plundered by everyone, regardless of skin colour, and black Africans did plenty of plundering of their own, selling their fellow man into bondage when they weren't massacring each other.
Also lost on the author was the fact that Wakanda is only successful in the film because of Vibranium, which ... doesn't exist. They try to go on and use diamonds instead, without apparently realising that diamonds are intrinsically worthless, and their worth is artificial, being generated by a controlled market and an awesome PR campaign, neither of which Africans were responsible for.
But, far left activists got in on the stupid too, pointing out that this was a perfect society, the opposite of what far-right people want. That is until someone pointed out that Wakanda is an insular techno-hoarding ethno-state content to see millions of black Africans live in mud huts due to intense xenophobia, which is pretty much what the far-left would usually accuse the far-right of wanting to some degree or another.
But beyond all that, my true bafflement came when black athletes started doing the "Wakanda forever" salute, unironically. I get fandom, and I like a good film as much as the next person, but if, say for example, I saw athletes using the Vulcan hand sign seriously, I'd laugh my ass off. The Wakanda Forever salute became something of a black pride gesture, and nobody seems concerned that it's rooted in fantasy.
Still, a pretty solid film. Just ... yeah, strange political and cultural impact.
Tiny quip here, but diamonds do have some industrial use due to it being the hardest known material (just as gold is the most malleable metal and silver is the most conductive metal). But yeah, in comparison to Vibranium which can do...frikkin' anything apparently, it is indeed relatively worthless.
@@sirquaffler542 They do indeed have a use. You're absolutely correct.
I was talking about market worth, but your point still stands regardless. :)
Jesus. Nazi much?
@@drakep.5857 Not unless we divorce it entirely from its meaning in order to slander someone, but why would we want to do that?
Unless you mean Jesus was a Nazi, which is all kinds of amusing.
Tbf, top athletes are usually dumb as fuck. They are genius at their specific skillset, but lacking in other areas. No wonder they use the "black vulcan sign".
This movie benefited hugely from political agenda, an indeed Wakanda is a nationalist country akin to the ideals of far right, yet just because in it blacks are the ruling power, lefties embrace it as if it was their ideal, which goes on to show that political agendas are what rules the narrative, not reason.
I'm kind of burned out on superhero movies, but Chadwick Boseman's hometown is right down the road from me and some of his other performances are incredible. So I was a pretty big fan.
His death blew my mind. I never would have guessed he'd die so young, much less from cancer. He should have a statue in Gaffney. It's not like we've got a long list of people with his talent, character and legacy. Rip.
I can’t believe I found this video.
I had the SAME issues when I first saw this film and when I told my coworkers, they called me a racist.
I agree 200% with everything you said, this movie is garbage
Your coworkers called you a racist? Bullshit.
Why can't you just say that you hate the movie without that bullshit?
donbdonbx Agreed. I’m Black and really don’t like this movie and people say “your not black enough” so apparently Black people cant even criticize this movie for whatever reason. It’s just a superhero movie and people need to realize this. Besides I could probably list 20 superhero movies better than Black Panther.
Where the hell do you work? Buzzfeed?!
It’s clear to you that if ask racist about a racist matter the matter isn’t racist and becomes logical you guys just circlejerk eachother here
KING BLACK PANTHER 9000
To claim this movie represents anything to “black people” is actually pretty pathetic.
Congratulations, after slavery and the civil rights movement, a horrible, plot hole ridden movie is the pinnacle of black advancement.
And since you wanna talk about “societal headstart” Africa is literally the cradle of life. Gtfoh
Im gonna kinda defend gollem's ridiculousness. Wouldn't anyone be at least a little mentally unstable after their arm's chopped off by a robot's temper tantrum?
@Haku infinite anyone can crack, even hardened criminals.
@Haku infinite well, shit. I got nothin.
@@kincaidolsson6319 I respect you for hearing other opinion and doesn't scream and whail when you yourself runs our of point.
Kudos to you, your kind is rare on the internet
@@hansfactory4296 thank yuo
@Haku infinite The fair critique of the character is that he uses his incessant babbling to disarm people into thinking he's rather harmless whereas we can see with his first scene in Black Panther he's meticulously conniving and ruthless. This is consistent with his attitude in Age of Ultron, where he goes on about how he's afraid of cuttlefish or offers the twins candy ect.
'WE NEED MORE DIVERSITY IN MOVIES!!!!'
Movie comes out with an entire black cast where the only white character gets silenced by making animal noises against him
'BEST MOVIE EVER!!!'
mulder1979 the worst part is that this movie is being taught in schools.
Not just elementary, College!
@@ColorlessRonin Taught in school? What for? Why? I am sincerely asking bro because I really don't get it. There are other more significant and positively impactful movies out there
Irony = the only predominantly black cast in a movie universe of conic book movies is the only movie to make any reference to race...... Yet it's progressive, fuck out of here
Race has exactly ZERO to do with why this movie was bad.
@Vincent H. That escalated quickly.
Wakanda: Choses the king by trial by combat.
Also Wakanda: Puts some rando as queen without anything.