Halo Infinite's "Network Update" Needs Work
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- Опубликовано: 28 мар 2024
- Halo Infinite's new network update is causing bullets to curve, player weight to be influenced by latency, and the return of blanks. After a week and a half on the new update, this video will share my feedback on the network update that is live in Halo Infinite. I want you to share your feedback on the new update in the comments. TLDR, on stable low ping servers it feels pretty good, but on the higher ping matches and especially the servers that fluctuate in ping, it feels rough at times. My biggest hope is that 343 is watching player responses and feedback and will have some improvements for the game soon. Thanks for watching #halo #haloinfinite
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Since the update I’ve noticed higher ping with massive lag spikes, bugginess such as players glitching into the map, and issues with hit detection.
Furthermore, the game takes forever to boot since they added Easy Anti-Cheat.
agreed. takes over a minute or two to get into the game.
I'm a mid to high Diamond player currently. 20+ years of experience playing this franchise. I've got above average accuracy, usually between 55%-65%. Have been playing Infinite religiously since its launch. Everything before this most recent network update was not so bad. SINCE this dumpster fire of an update released game-wide it has been the most frustrating and inconsistent online experience I have ever had.
Before the update, 80% of my games if not more, were below 50ms, and every so often I would get 70-90ms matches. Which was still more playable than most of the 30ms matches I've had since last Tuesday. The game feels so different from game to game. One match everything will be smooth as butter and I have zero complaints, then the next match my aim/settings won't feel right at all. "Heavy" is the word people are using to describe the issue I believe. The insane amount of blank shots that I've seen on this new network is just absurd. Not only for me, but seeing it happen to others as well. One game there will be aim assist, next game will feel like there is none at all. I've had countless grenades blow up at the enemy's feet while their shields are obviously half or cracked and it does NOTHING. It's turned into a complete disaster, and I would say roughly 50% of the community, if not more, are experiencing the same BS issues that I've listed off above. It's inconsistent at best, and atrocious at worst.
I haven't felt the urge to want to quit playing Halo in such a long time (Halo 4), but for the last week and a half I've been on the very edge because of how god awful this "update" is. It's hard NOT to "complain" when 343i releases this network model, hyping it up to "fix" what everyone has been complaining about and it fails to deliver on virtually all fronts. Pros are hating it. Casuals are hating it.
If 343i doesn't address the issue quickly, like ONE month maximum, they can say goodbye to roughly 50% of their player fanbase. I've been with Halo through the best and worst times, and this past week and a half has been the worst online experience I can truthfully say that I've ever had in ANY Halo game to date.
I'd take a break from playing for now man. You don't want to end up hating either Halo or 343 bc of technical issues. There's no franchise like Halos and you know that since u have been thru the thick and thin. Hope it gets better for u #halofam 💚
Yep. Post update is not great experience for me. 50 ping is often the sign of a buggy game. Then
Same thing happening here. I'm not playing this game until they update it again. If they fail at the next update I'm uninstalling the game for good. I've had enough
yeah its way more noticeable now because we use bandit so becomes super obvious
It seems like 343 have been very vague about the details of this new networking. 343 made a detailed blog post about the old networking model back when desync was the big topic around release. I feel like we need a similar post about this new model
Yup, and hopefully more people are able to submit tickets to Halo Support and the issues get resolved or at least improved
If 343 reverted it back I'd literally stop playing entirely. I play MnK and my bullets actually go where I aim. Prior to the update, I could be directly on someone's head with a sniper and it just wouldn't hit. Post update, I'm getting no-scopes across the map with ease. It's far better.
And this is why crossplay should not be a thing. How to keep up on a xbox. 343 should fix this part above anything else
@@amesomist you realize you can plug a mouse and keyboard into your Xbox right?
@@Aether-Entropy not the point
@@jakespencer6781 Then what's the point?
I play on Xbox and it’s the complete opposite for me. Before the update I was getting 60% or more on accuracy now I’m almost always around 48% and I feel like most of my shots don’t hit my target.
My lowest ping server is 30ms. Pre update, it felt as bad playing on that server as playing on 90ms. My favorite servers were 40-60ms ping. After the update now, all servers feel terrible except my 30ms nearest server. I’m seeing blank shots across the board as often or more than before. I get shot behind walls about the same amount as I used to.
I’m watching players “teleport strafe” regularly. Clearly their connection is atrocious or something because it’ll be isolate to an individual player.
My very uneducated opinion is that the old network probably made squeezed high and low ping players closer to something normal feeling, meanwhile low ping is now much more important.
It’s amazing watching blank shots though. The whole point of the network update was to correct blanks and blank melees and whatnot and I’m watching pros get just as frustrated as me with blank shots constantly. Idk.
Seems like a side step overall and not a forward step.
Yup. Can confirm. Lots of blanks on 1 shots. I'm bad... I'm not thaaaat bad. 😂 I unloaded on a 1 shot, he turns and one shots me. Clearly we weren't seeing the same thing. Also, I'm not hearing or seeing damage until I'm dead, accompanied by my "wtf!" over the mic. It's 50/50..ill have games where I'm melting peeps, then next day I can't hit the side of a barn point blank. It's really server and network dependent.
Before the update I was getting 60% or more on accuracy now I’m almost always around 48% and I feel like most of my shots don’t hit my target
@@haloraiders that's exactly what I said to my team yesterday. I used to get more high 50 to 60+% and now I'm low to mid 40s%. But it "feels" better. It's really game to game at this point. I shot a rocket at 3 guys in base, close to each other in husky raid... 1 died, the other two took their anger out on me lol. Wtf. They were practically huddled together 😂
hey bbk what resolution do u play. looks incredible
In Seattle I play 80-1xx ping the majority of games. Prior to the update, I almost quit the game no joke. Dying behind walls, shots being rejected at long and mid range, unregistered melees, grenades being thrown literal seconds after I threw them, the list goes on.
After the update, games feel more fair. Ping is the same, but the game feels responsive to what I’m actually doing in game. It’s imperfect, and there are new bugs I’ve experienced like an inability to reload my gun. But overall, my frustration levels are down to a reasonable level 😂
I haven't really had any issues since the update, but I live in East NA so I've got ideal conditions.
Played the update last night and usually infinite boots pretty fast but yesterday it took 5 minutes. But once it was up and running everything else was fine. Did hit lag in BTB modes at times.
The network update worked for me, but I still have tons of issue elsewhere. When an enemy player is near me, or when I fire at someone, my framerate plummets to unplayable levels, also the customization menu just stays on an _infinite_ loop of the loading screen.
I theorised about the ping spikes back in Season 2 being related to an Azure specific issue whereby network traffic was being balanced across multiple servers. it was confirmed by 343 Taxi as being correct too.This was resolved in the Winter update in Dec 22. I'm guessing that code or fix that resolved it was reverted out as part of the update and that's the issue
I will say this update is miles better on my end and I'm EU based. I had a lot of issues before that were resolved by this change
I went from dropping 20 kills to going negative and losing almost every gun fight in ranked slayer. The update broke the game.
Same issue here. I'm so pissed off.
It feels a lot better to me. I’m on cable, eastern US.
I feel like in some games my shots are more forgiving and count and some games it feels like I have to hit them with an extra shot.
Also assassination sometimes don't register and actually gone through them and they hit me in the back
YES! I am experiencing the same thing where at some point during a match, the ping will just go haywire and I can't do a thing because it's too high and I have to wait for it to stabilize again. It's soooooo annoying and I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed this!
This new network is working way better for me haven't had any crazy lag spikes since then game play has been silky smooth. But I have notice blank shots..
Feels great to me . I think they fixed the issues that everyone was crying out about since launch. Obviously a huge update like changing netcode will come with some minor bugs . But tbh for me they are very minor and the foundation of network is already like 100% better than old one
I won’t be able to play for another month but if the network model is a general improvement from the Squad Battle tests then I’ll be happy. I do feel for those who have been negatively impacted but Halo has always had some goofy network issues that I hope are completely addressed with the next release.
I’m feeling a bit indifferent at the moment. I live in the UK so I either have a match at 20ms or more often than not at 200ms. I feel like I’m hitting more sniper shots, I play m and k, but clean up is worse. It’s better but it’s worse at the same time
I live in Europe and my connection is 1gbps fiber I barely noticed any difference and I’ve been playing daily halo… my game has been smooth for the 90% of the game and occasionally I’ll get a weird game with 150 ping but it won’t feel too bad even then. It’s weird hopefully they can borrow some call of duty networking tricks cause they always smash great performance across the board.
Feels infinitely better for me. Just the fact that vehicles behave as expected now makes them so much to drive and to fight.
I still get the normal 23 ping i got before, but a few games were higher than i've ever seen
i have mix bag conclusions about new netcode, for me aiming became to feel "heavy" like in older halo titles, i can literally sense every action cuz it's having delay
Yeah latency has been an issue for me since the update. Not every match but especially when playing with my friend who's west coast and I'm east coast. I understand ping will be high for one of us like it has been but it feels like more lag for both of us.
I haven't had a single issue so far. Game feels good to play. Then again, I mainly play 4v4. Diamond 3 player myself as well
It really sucks how divisive it is. I don't think I'd want to play on the old model anymore, so it's hard to really judge
man, this game had serious potential. i honestly think that if the game was launched in a decent state, it would have been one of the best game of the last decade, period
Overall I much prefer the update over the old model. I think they should fix things up, but I would hate it if they reverted back.
I've only had 2 matches with high fluctuating ping, in those games there was jittery players and blood shots. But besides those matches my ping has stayed low and I only get blood shots or lag every once in awhile. And I've only noticed heavy Spartans/vehicles once or twice.
The old model was significantly worse for me in just about every way. Before the game felt like it was rng and was significantly less consistent on all fronts.
My only major problem with the new model is aiming feels different in general, and feels worse with higher ping. I bumped up my max look dead zone a little bit and it seems better now. To be fair though I have felt since day 1 Infinite's aim was terribly inconsistent and the old network model made it even worse.
unfortunately for me it has felt worse :/
Sorry to hear, but thanks for the feedback. I'm hoping 343 gives us some update or just a post soon acknowledging some of the issues and giving us a game plan.
Same here.
For me it varies game to game. Sometimes it feels better and sometimes it feels worse. I’m getting a lot more 80ms games where I live. Hard to say if it’s better than what the network was like before
The game feels so much better... in the rare instance that my ping isn't in the 400 range. My ping has always been terrible, I live in the middle of the woods with horrible wifi so I'm used to this, but the lack of lag compensation is a double-edged sword.
Imagine the game feels better for you on wifi in the woods but my experience has been complete dog shit and I have gigabit Verizon FiOS. Good connections should be having a great time. They should put people like you in lobbies with people who have terrible Internet.
Yes along with fixing or changing the anicheat
Good to hear, thanks for sharing
The update has drastically changed the game for the better. Finally I no longer clip through floors and get killed around corners.
Playing on the Xbox Series S my games have been amazing. Blanks are like 10% of what they used to be and 90ms ping registers just as good as 14ms. Not one instance of being shot around a wall. Previously anything 60ms or over would have me feeling nerfed. I'm East US.
I think I’m lucky that the ping is generally low for me, so overall the game has felt way better for me. The few high ping games I had certainly felt a bit off and I can image people getting frustrated with it, but I selfishly really prefer this new network model.
Ironically the game feels better when it's at 70-80 ping and when it's at 40-50 I've noticed more blank shots and whiffed melees for both myself and enemy players. And definitely been noticing jittery player models more now, I know people say "that's because they're using high movement input" but there's no way this many people are min maxing in that way
i love content like this
Over all i like the today, things aren’t as bad for me as a Seattle player. It’s smoother.
Tho it does vary game to game as far as choppy strafes, blanks and dud grenades
My ping is often over 100 and thanks to the update i barely feel any lag
The only big difference I noticed with the update was not getting shot behind walls n corners which is great. However I have been playing halo since 2007 the aim in this game no matter what they do will still feel subpar to og halo becuse ig has nothing to do with networking and everything to do with aa not having the same values as old halo n that’s why I still play halo 3 till this day because Bungie knew how to make a proper aiming game and 343 does not…. Although halo 4 felt very much more like Bungie title. Something went wrong with ever since halo 5 came out with aim because they listened to pro players and the aim ever since has kept me away from the game 343 makes very bad decisions for halo n it’s very sad what has come to be…. The network update was a bandaid n always will be not a cure….
Good positioning
Overall, the update is an improvement. User Profile: laptop mouse and keyboard user, based in Pacific US playing in the Pacifc US evenings like 10pm PT. Average match ping jumps from 24ms to 104 ms in a single match. I like how it affects vehicles, as an M&K my shots hit more. I've been having overall internet issues recently, so I'll hold off my judgement until my own internet is resolved.
I will literally go 70% accuracy, normal ping. Then anytime I go over 100 ping or below 40 it starts heywire and and I go to 50 % accuracy average. On ≈35 games sample size
I'll have one or two games a night that I'm right around 30-40 ms. Great games. But every other game hovers at 100-130ms and constantly jumps to 300+ . That never happened before, and I'm hardwired to my router with great internet. I haven't played as much the last 2 weeks because of how unreliable my game connection is
Ran into a couple cheaters since the update, one using walls, aimbot, and something to make his bandit full auto. Gameplay feels good for the most part, but its still inconsistent. Aiming feels weird sometimes and ive seen the teleport strafe a bunch too. still not sure if i prefer it to the old network or not.
I live in New Zealand and I've being getting put into games with over 300 ms it's a bloody joke!
I’m genuinely starting to think it’s to the point where 343 is in a “lose-lose” situation for the remainder of Infinite’s life span. They bombed on launch & every step they’ve tried to make/improve over the past two years hasn’t been received well for the majority of the community.
I personally really like the update. I usually search locally so I never really have anything over 80 ping. Usually 30-60 on average. But even the relatively low ping that I’m used to playing on prior to the update, feels significantly better!! Shot registration is much more consistent. Beat downs feel a lot better too, can tell there’s been an improvement to desync.
I feel bad for those outside the US who have had a terrible experience so far with the new update. But the fact that there’s even a general consensus to revert BACK to what was so highly complained about (understandably so)? That’s wild to me lol.
We’ll never be satisfied man when it comes to this game because 343 has shown that they’re incapable of making a great live service game. Now, there’s all the talk about a new game 🤦🏾♂️. Do we REALLY believe that it’s gonna be better than Infinite? I don’t lol. We have to get to the point where if you’re genuinely not enjoying the game, find another game to suffice. It’s unfortunate, but true.
I'm giving 343i ONE more shot to release their next game, considering they're basically under reconstruction at the moment with their leadership and staffing. If they fail to deliver on the next one I'm out.
@@JadedPerception I feel you man! We’ll have to wait & see
@JadedPerception I'm in the same boat. Plus they're switching off their dogshit engine to unreal. So that should atleaet make fixing issues a smoother experience. 1 last chance.
Can we go back to peer to peer? Lol
still no halo 2 connection... 2006..
Imagine if 343 just made a game right, out of the gate…..
Shower thought. Nothing really to do with the update and not defending 343... with the rats nest of different types of cables(fiber,coax,copper), pieces of equipment that everything passes through or converts signals through, that a lot of different issues that arise for individuals are simply based on the physical network they are playing on, hardware inline with it, and just the internal workings of their service providers.
It's seriously amazing anything works at all
yeah trying to do any work when everyone has diffrent services and hardware is a nightmare, and 343 is dealing with both that and a trash engine held tgether by hopes and prayers.
way worse than before didnt think it was possible but 343 is so good at disappointing me ive been playing the game everyday since launch and it is definitely worse if i have 40-50 ping it feels like 200 idk why
Did you see you were in a Dunkey video??
I did indeed, pretty cool! thank you!
In my experience the bullet registration is slightly better, but I still experience desync sometimes. And certain weapons like the stalker rifle that use to not register good for me are beaming now and other weapons (mostly projectile like the skewer) are terrible and never hit now
Every game is perfect when i have 30ms ping 😅
Hahah truth!
Game feels way better for me, feels horrible for my friends. I prefer the occasional blank to desync, but if 343 does not change this update further, I think the game will die. Really hopeful that a new halo build in unreal is closer than expected, but I have learned that getting my hopes up with 343 always leads to disappointmet.
Honestly, I’ve been playing since day one not much difference. Dedicated servers need to come back, like halo 5
1. The update is better, and 2. Yes, there are still issues that tend to affect some more than others. I mostly play Squad Battle/BTB, and the difference in vehicle physics is so obvious. They go flying when they get hit or blown-up - I had a moment the other day where I stuck a Warthog near a cliff, and even though the sticky didn't kill them, the Hog got sent flying off the cliff! I haven't experienced many issues on my end from what I can tell, but I've seen clips here and there of crazy behaviour when the servers freak out.
That said, it's really, really tough to sort through all the complains to find valid issues from people who know what they're talking about. I've seen so many posts and comments of people complaining, but instead of offering insight, their entire take is "The network sucks and feels bad" - and even when people get more specific about it, 3/4 times it boils down to them blaming the game/network on their own misplays. I remember seeing a video with a title along the lines of "Still lots of blank shots in the new update," and the video was the guy stripping the opponents shields, then putting two shots into their chest and missing their head - but it was the "new networks fault."
All that to say, that I appreciate this video actually offering valid insight instead of incessant complaining. I think the network is in a better spot now, but honestly, I don't foresee any further "fixes" or updates to it. At the end of the day, every online game will have its networking issues and quirks and it won't be perfect. 343 ought to strive to make the experience as smooth and flawless as possible, but I also think that trying to fix ambiguous network issues/complaints is an endless game of whack-a-mole in every video game, and players oftentimes get too into their own heads about the network being "bad".
No, this update IS bad.
@@JadedPerceptionVery insightful reply. How helpful. I'm sure you saying "it's just bad trust me bro" will be very useful to have 343 fix it. Great work, champ. You saved Halo.
@@frost_6836i’m d3, play a lot of ranked and btb, new update is ass bro. the amount of blank shots i’ve gotten with the shock rifle is actually crazy. there’s goods and bad to the update but i’ve never had so many shots legit “disappear” since
The networking “fix” was not a fix. It made the game gittery with lots of frame rate drops.
I haven’t really had any problems since the new network Update, only thing that really bugs me is my aim feels a little heavier now but that’s about it. I honestly am just ready for the new Halo game on the new engine
I’m not having a great time since the update. Pings are all over the place and bullet registration, lag, jittering and rubber banding is bad. 50 pings seem to be the worst, lower or higher pings are much better. I don’t look forward to playing infinite much anymore. 😢
Maybe the whole game has become a test
As a newer player the hit detection feels much better I dont feel useless anymore and am usually a positive force on my team. The matchmaking seems better but sometimes it goes a lil crazy
Def would stop playing if they reverted. Can’t believe the standard ping-based model is even up for debate.
I’m not on console but 343 should def look into that sluggishness thing people mention.
The new networking is amazing. Smooth as butter. No issue also I have like 20 to 30 ping every match now. No jitter or and central United state.
I don’t think I could play if it was reverted. I love the game it just felt so bad. Also I hate how poorly optimized the game is for older hardware.
any other fanbase would have bailed on their game a very long time ago...343 don't deserve bungee fans, but we're here so pls sort this shit
*Do you guys remember when 343 ORIGINALLY Said they were “BUILDING” a NEW NETWOKR MODEL FROM SCRATCH??? Y’all remember that?!
SOMETIMES I LOSE CONTROL OF MY SPARTAN. Like suddenly I’m locked up and can move but I can aim and shoot and then I’m unlocked …. WE WERE BETTER OFF WITH THE OLD MODEL!!!
Stripping a 10 year old Halo 5 internet Model and throwing on infinite’s WAS NOT THE ANSWER!!
No it literally feels so so so artificial, I absolutely hate it , it’s the only game I play and honestly just can’t get into this , gun fights are so unsatisfying , feels like I’m playing through xcloud
For me , its so much worse. Almost unplayable. Im on PC. Increase bloodshots and ghost shots. Its crazy. And latency is horrible. Everything that guy said in his comment is dead on. 😮💨
Had a lobby that was 180 -190 ping. Shot registration still responsive but felt like the old servers if I was playing 90 ping. Only thing is throwing nades is noticeable delayed but over all I love this new network update
0:49 This is not a bug, it's the new _Wanted_ mechanic. Spartans have learned to curve bullets. Just git gud.
Stopped playing when 343 took over. This game looks ridiculous and they need to just stop.
Overall I feel like I'm playing worse. That could be coincidence or just bad matchmaking, but my brain is linking the two.
Also noticed that it feels like I unload half an AR clip into an enemy, feels like he gets maybe half that on me, we trade punches and I'm the one who does while they get to run away.
Again this could very well be my own confirmation bias, but it feels weird.
Feels WAY better to me. Shots actually register for the most part now. There's still some blanks sometimes, but not nearly as bad as before. Definitely some crashes and bugs though but that's standard these days.
Been terrible. Not just hit reg but the matchmaking is terrible.
for me it's never been worse - they should just go back to the pre 1/30 update and just call it a day until the next halo game drops
Pre update:
I felt like my game was always desyncing by a quarter second. Lots of blank shots and bullet hits not registering. Lost most of 1v1 fights because of the issues.
Post update:
No longer seem to be constantly desynced by a quarter second. Feels like I'm playing in real-time. Still experiencing blanks and bullet hits not registering, but less than before.
The update made the game playable for me. Still far from perfect though.
New network model is simply unstable. Desync is gone but blanks/loss of aim assist/glitchy enemy movement is brutal... even in my low ping matches. The latter seems to happen more frequently each day as if the new model is deteriorating (if that’s even possible?!?!). Regardless, this was a “pick your poison” update. I refuse to say this update has benefitted the player base.
25 to 50 ping, game is crisp. 60 to 100 ping, horrible.
Instead of putting out an update to help players with trash internet connections . How about we force people to get better internet connections. Why are we doing all these work arounds to help people that are making the game miserable for everyone else?
Halo infinite support should stop. Move on with a working engine.
Halo infinite is dead in the water. Its been dead since season 3. Nobody is excited for the game, even true Halo fans are just holding their breaths waiting for the next thing.
343 will never be able to deliver us the Halo experience we want and deserve. Its time for everyone to move on. Its fine to have fun playing infinite but ultimately it will never be what we want it to be, its best to just enjoy what you can and then move on.
Me at 150 ms tho