The Truth Behind The Heavenly Principles - Genshin Impact Theory, Lore and Analysis
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One of the biggest mystery in Genshin impact that is still unclear, is about this particular thing. Heavenly Principles. Almost everytime we talk about it, it's always about where is the heavenly principles or why heavenly principles so silent. But i think we forget the most important question about it, and that is, its Origin. hat is the Heavenly Principles? Why does The Heavenly Principles even exist?
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TLDR;
- The Heavenly Principles refers to 2 things, namely The Unknown God and Heavenly Principles itself.
- Heavenly Principles itself is a system that produces something we call as Fate, and The Unknown God is the one does what is prescribed by the system, doing the dirty job aka. who sustain it.
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As several of you might consider, this narrative, aside from undercovering Heavenly Principles origin, is also trying to make understandable moral reasons for the grand schemes of things. Like, is there an acceptable reason as to why there’s no Primordial One now, or why Celestia feels evil and absent, or Why Nibelung did the war, or Why memory is being collected and stored in Irminsul, etc.
Also there are several implications, if we take this narrative even further, in order to fight back the Heavenly Principles, is by using another strong will, not just Descenders, but also another people’s will or even every living beings’ will.
This narrative indirectly makes traveler's journey and their actions of helping many people more meaningful, in the sense of gathering people’s trust and will. It is also quite interesting to point out that, most of the time, our traveler looks like a vessel for containing will and converting it into power. Right?
Aside from that, Tsaritsa’s action to collect all Gnosis could mean she is trying to get 3rd Descender's last remaining Will, which is a really essential thing to fight Heavenly Principles.
Mostly correct.
Nahida seems to say that what she calls the "Heavenly Principles" is indeed the Unknown God, because she describes the entity as someone the Traveler has met and says that it was active 500 years ago. Well if Sustainer is not HP then what/who is Nahida talking about? Who else did Traveler meet? Nahida is talking as if Traveler would get her reference, so it cannot be anyone that the Traveler is unaware of. Nahida basically says, you know that entity that you met and messed with you? That's the entity I am going to call "The Heavenly Principles" in this conversation. As such who can Nahida possibly mean except the Sustainer? And it also fits the idea that Sustainer was seen in Teyvat 500 years ago but not since then. I don't see any other interpretation.
So as weird as it sounds the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles and the Heavenly Principles are one and the same. And it's also true that the Heavenly Principles are both an entity and a set of laws, ate of Teyvat and a set of ideals all at the same time. Well if you're going to have an ambiguous term then at least go big with it you might say, but the SHP and HP both seem to be entities or personalities. It is what it is. Greek mythology would have gods as distinct personalities like the demon-gods are, but things with the HP just aren't that simple. Therefore I conclude that at a minimum there are multiple personae within the HP and in terms of Genshin that may simply mean that the 4 Shades are considered to be the Primordial One in some sense, and are not 5 distinct personalities. This sort of thing is not without precedent. We could say the Shades are merely aspects of, or avatars of, the Primordial One, and so the analogy with Remus and the harmosts is false.
As for the rest of it there's not much to find fault with. I don't know if you'd call love a curse, but the PO's love cascades down through many layers. For example the Seelies love humans, the Jinni love humans too, but by this tier their love is contaminated to become more of an obsession. The Sustainer loves humans (but is corrupt and this love becomes a sort of parental angst / anger) and the Sustainer's Archons and gods also love humans - including the "evil" gods, although their love while frequently pushing them to self-sacrifice, is often a jealous and violent love, that leads to intense competition between the gods (Archon war) all in the name of loving humans. The 3rd Descender loves humans (they are related to the PO as an ally) and self-sacrifices for them, and we see that a criterion of getting a Vision is this love for humanity too. No bad guys get a Vision no matter how ambitious they are. As a result practically anyone with power loves humanity in some sense except the original Sovereigns who are indifferent. But even there the Hydro Vishaps experimented on by Enkanopmiyans end up liking humans (per the Pahsiv story). The adepti and youkai seem more indifferent to humans except as carrying out the orders of gods, suggesting they are not directly informationally descendant of the PO.
8:03 I don't think there's any ordering here. I think the Heavenly Principles as a set of rules or ideals is represented by the gods each of which has one of these ideals and they desire to use that one ideal -- their ideal -- to prove it the best way to help humanity grow. As Ei brags saying her ideal is the closest to the Heavenly Principles. Venti has his ideal of freedom, Zhongli of Contracts and so on. Presumably then there are about 72 of these ideals and 72 gods, most of them now deceased temporarily. Collectively they are the Heavenly Principles - laws to help humanity grow. But some disagree with these ideals as a whole. Some thing the PO has taken a wrong approach, while fully supporting the overarching goal of furthering humanity. The Goddess of Flowers is such a one, and she uses Deshret to further her plans to undermine the PO (which Deshret is independently pursuing) and even goes so far as to employ aspects of the 2nd throne's abilities where she sees those abilities (illusions) being able to fix the flaws with the PO's plans (breaking the shackles to the ground). These shackles are of course the fate system of Teyvat, which the game story generally bad mouths left right and center as we follow how several different factions who have independently concluded that these shackles have to go. And why do they have to go? Because of love. So in some weird sense everyone is starting from the same motivation except for the 2nd throne itself perhaps, who I don't think is particularly bothered, and the dragons, who just want their planet back.
And indeed the war with the 2nd breaks Teyvat's fate system enough and damages the HP enough to allow these various other factions to try and do something, even if it seems so foolish.
Like scara said to tsaritsa love is a sin/curse. Im sure this love lore will reveal in snezhnaya arc
ah i see, i might miss that bit of info from scara....
also, surely Tsaritsa love not turn her into obsession right? right?
Interesting narrative here, your conclusion is exactly the plot of a game I've already mentioned in some of my theories, Stella Glow. Going to spoil a bit here, humans create a system to turn emotions into powers, that system somehow goes berserk gain a personality and wipe human civilization. In the future people think that this system is God. And the system also selected girls and make them into witches to monitor the ''new'' human world. And that 'god' also reside ont the moon. Quite the similarities you would say xD
As for Sustainer not being the HP it's still are tell to this day, she could be as she could not be xD
and here, instead, the so called "God" here the one who made the system as a sign of their love. Tbh, this idea also came from that one Remuria World Quest... hehehe.
I personally still insist that HP and Sustainer are not identical, not same 😅...tho i open with other possibility....
@@hellozenn there is argument for both honestly, so I'm in the middle. But if she's not, I believe she may have been the one to rebel against PO
@@hirods9889 hmmmm that's interesting...
I'm convinced that the Remuria world quest was basically a MASSIVE ALLEGORY for the true history of Teyvat and the Primordial One.
I'm pretty sure the "Heavenly Principles" will be an entity similar to Phobos, serving the purpose of controlling the fate of the people of Teyvat (and the source of all Visions), created from the remains of the Third Descender.
Nibelung the Dragon King is the Sinner and plays the same role as Scylla, who was chained down in the deep seas and actually was an ALLY of the Primordial One to the point of helping the Primordial One re-establish order after the War of Vengenace - this war was possibly Nyx, the Goddess of Night, invading as the Second Descender with a flood of Abyssal creatures.
The Sustainer is probably the Boetius of Teyvat, and may very well be one of the four shining shades of the Primordial One (it doesn't really matter WHICH one), and who was also one of the three moon sisters - specifically the crimson moon. In fact, the Sustainer may just be a "construct" of the Heavenly Principles (similar to how Boetius wasn't real, just a construct of Phobos) and not actually around anymore.
Istaroth... is in the role of Cassiodor. She is the only shade who did not abandon the people of Enkanomiya, and there are temples to her all over the place. She also mysteriously helped us in Inazuma without actually putting in an appearance. I actually suspect that Istaroth only exists now in smaller fragments of herself, waiting for an important moment to make her return... perhaps just as Cassiodor sort of "possessed" a cat, Istaroth's power is being channeled through another. Maybe... Dainslef? Or perhaps Paimon?
I'm not sure if any of this hints at the identity of the Traveler, but I'm starting to wonder if we're simply exactly as our Traveler has said: we were stars traveling across the cosmos who just happened to land here, and we have no prior connection.
Even if some of my guesses here are off, I'm almost positive that everything involving Deshret and Remus was meant to be MAJOR hints to what actually went down, and we might soon be learning a huge chunk of the truth with the Dainslef lore drop.
yeah i have similar idea too, that's why i made this video.... Remuria World Quest is so fascinating for me... cause it feels like the quest tells us something beyond Fontaine itself.
Now, if our narrative is true, the next question is, what's about Fatui and Abyss Order come to play here????
speaking of Traveler, similar to Remuria Quest, they are the unknown variable that has been waited to come to break the rules.....
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yeah it's been a long time since i updated the video XD....
so, what's your thought? have another perspective to share??? 🫡🫡
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Inazuma: Protect
Sumeru: Sustain
Fontaine: Destroy
that means Natlan: Create
@@reveriesend4668 owhhh, what natlan create then???? something like making new being from ashes??? 👀👀
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@@La_amprea Isn't it embarrassing to make fun of someone else's accent, while only being able to speak one language yourself? 🥴
@@Louise-hp8cm I speak 4 languages fluently, I make the effort to neutralize my accent. I'm not making fun, I'm directly leaving my critical opinion, you are welcome not to like it... I couldn't care less.
@@La_amprea I find that hard to believe. People who speak multiple languages know how long it takes to adapt a new accent, and therefore would not tell someone that they couldn't finished their video because of their accent. Usually it's only monolinguals who make such comments.