EVERYTHING We Know About the 5 SINNERS of Khaenri'ah...
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0:00 Introduction
6:03 Hroptatyr "the Wise"
8:08 Rerir "Rächer of Solnari"
8:59 Vedrfolnir "the Visionary"
15:19 Surtalogi "the Foul"
17:24 Rhinedottir "Gold"
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I don’t know if you know but “kimya” or كيمياء is an Arabic word for chemistry it’s interesting to see that because there is another theory that khaenri'ah it’s has similar sound to the word خائن الرياح which mean "Wind traitor" but that’s maybe just me analysis a bit too much thought. But I just want to put this information out
@@khadijamohamed5649i thought so too especially the خائن الرياح idk if it’s reading too much but ever since i knew this lil information i have been so skeptical on venti especially on how he has connections with istaroth!!
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Hoyo didn't give conflicting information about Gold they are simply using metaphors to be coy. Both accounts of khanrieah destruction are true. Because gold was doing research on creating life she inadvertently caused the heavenly principles to take a closer look at khanrieah leading to its destruction after which she released her destructive creations
Dainsleif having an older brother is the last thing I’ve expected. Bro looks like he just spawned out of nowhere😭
Hope he looks like sephiroth or itachi uchiha to put even more fun facts😂
@@djampoucheukap1742I won't be surprised if his brother is Jester at this point
@@tristanmanalo6252 it's impossible, jester isnt a visionnary, and it wouldnt make sense, since he didnt knew about the prophecy
@@djampoucheukap1742 did he? I mean I told you at this point there's nothing impossbile in the storyline 😅
I mean, it feels more like a missing puzzle piece that makes Dainsleif's connection in all of this make more sense. And maybe their supposed to parallel the twins and the real reason that he's pursuing the Abyssal Twin is in the hopes that they don't go down the same route of his older brother and/or stop her from being an instrument in the Sinners plot.
Minsleif's brother in law lore 😍
Lmaoo
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think you meant brothers in law 🤪
I never expected one of the sinners to be dainsleif older brother...i didn't even know he's stronger than the abyss twin
Congratulations on the new in-law! May you survive the family reunions.
I like how Dain having an older brother is kinda like the traveller having a twin in that they both have siblings in the opposite side. But while he wants to defeat his brother, he wants us to make up with our sibling.
As a childe main, i am more certain that childe will become more relevant throughout story as his past was seeped into Fontaine's arc, and will become more involved in Natlan and Snezhnaya
And another note, since Childe confirmingly inherited a khaenriah'n sinner's transformation when it was passed down to him by Skirk, it makes me confirm slightly that he will be a major character in the chapter of Khaenriah
just realised the link between Surtalogi (The Foul) and the Foul Legacy😭😭😭I mean i knew they were linked but just realised after reading your comment
@@storm_1784 its fine lmao, but yeah childe has now been confirmed to inherit a transformation from khaenriah, mostly a sinner's form legacy
And then there is the caribert's earring that looks like childe's just blue not Red (maybe surtalogi gave it to childe)
@@joanasantos7906 Ngl, thats kind of a copium theory, Childe's earring could've just been part of his harbinger uniform
@@joanasantos7906 Saw that theory but im sorry it's just looks a massive copium there are other characters that wears an earring also the heck is the connection of caribert to childe? it probably just symbolizes the alberich lineage just as how kaeya's earring matches his.
Basically everyone was looking for a way to free themselves from the fate that Irminsul reserves for human beings.
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The Six Pigmees may be the Five Sinners and Dainsleif.
Dain's brother is responsible for Fountain's Prophecy and it is hard not to assume that Surtalogi sent Narwhal just to fulfill it, what may mean that the Prophecy was a Sinners' scam.
Man, imagine the police saying crime rate is increasing by they're releasing criminals for bribes in the first place. 😅
A Prophecy that resulted in the destruction of the Hydro Archon's Throne. Not just the death of an Archon alone.
The thing is, i dont think Rhinedottir didn't wanna help, it feels she "couldn't" help. I wont say the same for vedrfornir, but Rhine dottir's voiceline during the mages tea party cutscene was very warming. It almost felt like she was a genuinely kind person. Not to mention she is on very good terms with Alice(who we know has no concept of lie and deceit). I feel Rhinedottir was forced to not help, or she was helpless at the moment of cataclysm. Remember that until now, we knew that cataclysm's opening act was marked by Rhinedottir's children escaping onto the surface. So till now we blamed her as the single most responsible sinner for Cataclysm. The problem with this is, why have archons who banded to destroy khaenriah..not punish rhinedottir? Shouldnt she be the one to take her punishment instead of entire Khaenriah? Thus i believe, the tragedy was something beyond those 5. It wasn't that they couldn't help, it was that they were forced not to intervene somehow.
Also this lowkey speaks volumes of the strength of hexenzirkel. Ofcourse not everyone pursues combat...so strength is relative
But, Rhinedottir is member of the mages group, and since there is no clear hierarchy, we can assume that they all are more or less equal. Rhinedottir is on the same level as Surtalogi(ofcourse he may be stronger than her in combat but keep that aside for now)..who is skirk's master who is in turn Childe's master..and childe so far is not even close to being Skirk's match. This lowkey puts the hexenzirkel's level on a frankly very high scale, where they might be(or at least some of them) equivalent to gods(perhaps not archons, but definitely as gods).
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@@beashemmad.sayson545 bro said allat just for you to say real😭😭
@@catfurrpiwpowpiwpaw better than being left on read /silly
There is more going on with Rhinedottir, and the dragons are involved. Her teacup is formed like a dragon. Either she tried to turn herself into a dragon, or she was connected to the dragons in a very intimate way. Hoyo loves to throw out little signs of things. No other teacup as a handle that is formed like a dragon so it's def supposed to be unique for Rhinedottir. We know Apep befriended Deshret. Apep is frustrated with Buer(Nahida) and seem to think she is learning things to slow. Neuvilette has the authority of a sovereign back so he should be able to bring Nahida back to speed, Sumeru and Fontaine share a lot of there history together.
@@alexanderericson8628 agreed, not to mention, her creations also bear similarities to dragons(if not entirely being dragons..)...wolflord(wolf + serpentine dragon), durin(skeletal dragon) and Elynas(sea beast + draconoid..almost like scylla perhaps). And yes her tea cup's handle is indeed dragon shaped(i assume that is to show connection with Durin perhaps, as hexenzirkel is very closely related to mondstadt..and durin was her child that rampaged durin..so it could be an homage to him)
Not to mention, she found "heart of naberius", naberius is a demon name from ars goetia, so far only archons have these names...so what is this heart? Something akin to a gnosis? Who was naberius?
Also, she could very well be working with dragon king nibelung or some other dragon, to create a perfect homunculus, to host that dragon? IDK. There are way too many unknowns..i feel genshin will lore drop all these answers at the same time during final stretches of the game..i don't know if my heart is strong enough to take it in all at once.
You know it's gonna be a huge lore when Min ended up introducing herself 5 minutes later from the start of the video.
That cliffhanger bro…i need to know
based on the translation which mean it related to gnosis and guess who have related to the gnosis, it was the third descender so i guess it was either the third descender heart or the remain, and i guess that rhinedottir tried to create the philosopher stone from it as the heavenly principal can create a device that was able to draw power from the believe of an entire nattion just from the remain of the third descender
I've seen it like "9 seconds ago" and I knew it's gonna be the best 20+ mins
Whats interesting is that the 6 Pygmies' directly contradict the 6 Great Khaenri'ahs' Titles
Its especially true when you look at Dainsleif and his title. "The Twilight Sword" in norse myth is supposed to bring Ragnarok aka "The Fate of Gods" which is very ironic because in The Pale Princess and the 6 Pygmies,Dainsleif's Fate was in the hands of a God.
(The Twilight Sword was another name for Surtalogi aka Surtr's sword)
Yeah, it's direct irony
i'm quite sure that no one created whale for surtalogi apart from, well, evolution
narwhal is quite literally implied to have traversed from the far side of the imaginary tree.
My HI3 obsessed brain was shaking so hard during this quest, I could not stop talking about it to my friends, the sinners are so Herrscher coded to me
You did not just leave us on a cliffhanger!!!! How could youuuuuuu 😭😭😭😭😭 Kidding aside, I enjoyed this take on the 5 sinners. So much has happened to Teyvat and we're so close in finding out what happened before the siblings ever came in contact with this world.
17:36 transition 😮😮
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Something I saw in another YT comment - the Pale Princess and the Six Pygmies also seems like the progression of Alchemy/Khemia. They start in a dark forest where there is no light (black, nigredo), then we meet the pale princess, the moon reflecting the light of the sun (white, albedo), who falls in love with the Prince of light (the sun, citrinitas). Then, finally, for rubedo, there's the story of how the pygmies betrayed them and chopped up the prince's body for power or however it goes. Blood, immortality, power, red as the magnum opus of Khemia. (Does this make the Prince of light the Third Descender? A dragon of the light realm? The outlander who fell in love with a seelie? All of the above?)
This mirrors Khaenri'ah in that the pale princess from the dark kingdom was enchanted by the light (yellow) and that was it's goal, rather than red, as the Narcisszenkruez Ordo claims is the final goal, saying that Khaenri'ah was wrong in considering citrinitas the final prize.
If I really stretch it, I could say that the light realm of the dragons is citrinitas and the Heavenly Principles is rubedo, like the red we see corrupting the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles, and the red of the cubes that destroyed Khaenri'ah. So, some would consider the light realm the true ultimate power, others would back the Heavenly Principles, and neither are truly wrong, it's just a matter of preference.
13:43 No. He was calling Clothar to arise beyond HIS fate. He gave him the power to create the Loom of Fate by sacrificing his son. THIS is what he is talking about. The Sibling or the Traveler was not being addressed. Clothar became a transcendent one.
I think the placement of that is just to give an example of what kind of statement they might've said to the Abyss sibling. Not as an example of what was directly said to them.
17:35 Fire transition 👏👏👏
Everytime you upload a 20 minute plus video I’m filled with joy 😁
Seriously confused with all this lore ty for the videos🙏
Not the cliffhanger lol. Love your videos, thank you for them all!
I’ve been looking forward to your video on this!❤ thank you
This recap is so good, thank you!
Btw we do know where the whale comes from, Skirk tells us so!
They comes from space and there is more than one. They are starbeasts that feed of primordial waters of planets which yes confirms that Teyvat is a planet and Primordial waters are not unique to Teyvat...
To be honest the implications are CRAZY! Because this implied LIFE outside of Teyvat but also possibly MULTIPLE hydro dragon Sovereigns no ?????
YIPIIIIIIIIIIIIII NEW VID
suspense... I love your videos, keep it up !
I was so invested then there’s a cliffhanger 😅 great video as always ❤
“We are halfway through Genshin’s story.”
I think there is some sleight of hand- Hoyo has said “*Teyvat* is a 5 year story”… Given there are realms parallel to Teyvat, and Teyvat is a continent of the world, they may have more than they let on.
Yay new video!
i love listening to lore videos. thank you for your hard work.
Good content as always. 👏👏
New subscriber here. You got a beautiful voice. And I like the way you narrate these story lines. 🤗
Always learning new things from Minslief, as well as Hoyoverse. I feel like existence has been enriched by you all.
17:21 Surtalogi might have gotten it from the the Sea of Bygone Eras, since the All Devouring Narwal looks highly similar to Scylla.
Personal theory:
IF it is from that sea, then its real name would probably be Charybdis, since according to Greek mythology, Scylla and Charybdis are sea monsters that are located opposite each other, with Charybdis creating whirlpools to sink ships near her, which is similar to the All Devouring Narwhal eating anything within its reach.
I love your voice and the way you explain lore is just ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Yippe new viddddd
Rhinedottir kind of reminds me of Ruan mei from HSR
The way you choose the Dreamscapes of Penacony's OST make this lore analyzing videos more attractive
I love your ascent when you say the words " La signora to pierro
As far as I can tell, the All-Devouring Narwhal wasn't a creation, but a being from beyond the stars that was lured in by the Primordial Waters, which it feeds on. According to Skirk, it's not even a unique entity, but rather one of many. My assumption is that Surtalogi lured the Narwhal to Fontaine as part of his own prophecy, and it caused the Primordial Waters to rise when it ran out of "food", thus causing the flood of Fontaine as preordained.
This may very well have been a deliberate setup by Surtalogi to call attention to Celestia's inactivity, but that's just a wild speculation.
25:36 if the words "Magnum Opus" are flipped then that means in genshin there exist a Stoned Philosopher.
dude your videos make me just pray for the narrative and game designers on this game, to keep this stuff all straight is like freaking marvel comic level of continuity.
Naberius could be the name of 3rd descender as we all know gnosis are made from the remains of 3rd descender. It could the heart of 3rd descender which is discovered by gold and albedo
Only took 4 years to actually get a definitive link to the 6 pigmies.
This was sitting around for so long.... I remember when some people say it's the archons but rukkhadevata was at irminsul so she didn't count...
Time to put my earphones on a listen to this while I work.
Man I'm so hyped for this conclusion. Don't let me down Hoyo
Seeing that gnoses and the heart of naberius are the same in chinese, I suspect that the heart are also remains. Since the gnoses are the remains of the third descender. It is likely that this heart of naberius formerly belonged to another descender or similar being. Potentially a severed body part from either The Primordial One or the Second Who Came from the Second War Over The Heavens. It may even be from one of the Shades. Imagine how crazy it would be if it wasn't a severed body part but the whole corpse instead. kinda scary thought ngl. An abyssal sinner having access to the power of a body part of the Primordial One or Second Who Came or a Shade's corpse.
That thumbnail tho....:D
Another minsleif video, another luxurious meal.
Oooh the cliffhanger, Min you can't do this to me
Man,the witches from the herkencerkel (or however they're called/spelt) are something else. I hope we get to meet them or atleast learn their back-stories in details. Just how powerful are they!
Gold, Rhinedottir ,mother of Albedo, Dragons, and wolves.
Foul, Surtalogi, the Master of Skirk and the teacher of Transmutation, Childe's boss form, The "Foul" legacy...
The Visionary, Vedlfonir, the crystal and the Founder of The Abyss Order (Via Clothar)
Interesting to note: in the ring cycle opera, the daughters rhine are at odds with the Alberich Family. So, perhaps Gold and The Visionary are at odds. (If they follow the Opera.)
And it sounds like Gold is trying to create descenders, like dragons and Albedo, who looks like the twins... Gold might have accidentally set the monsters upon the world with her grief and agony, since when the twins travel to Mondstadt in the beginning, everything is just fine.
You best n.n 💙💙💙❤❤
I didn’t mean to leave it on a cliffhanger 😭😭 BUT I wanted this video to be everything we know about them in canon lore! Part 2 is very theory heavy!! ☺️
I love your vids sm and I'm looking forward to the next vid. I actuallg actively turned on notifications this time around bc I don't wanna miss it💀
Early gang
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16:44 OH MY GOD I JUST GOT A REVELATION! That is the orateice deemed him guilty! As he is responsible for bringing narwhal’s destruction towards fontain
If there are so many individuals that can rival the world. How is celestia still in power or is even celestia is more powerful 💀
That’s the scary thing. So if Khaenri’ah literally had Outlanders and Descender-like beings and they STILL got their cheeks clapped by Celestia then Celestia is definitely still not a force to mess with. Everyone is still afraid of them. I would say though, the battle seemed close cause Celestia v Khaenri’ah seemed to have caused Celestia to go into hibernation mode for 500 years (we can assume it’s cause they need to recover?).
@@Minsleif traveller would still be like: Nah I’d win 🥴
Might be spoilers or speculation but..........
While the we are likely over half way through the Teyvat section of the story, (Khaenri'ah having the chapter ??? implies that there might be a few more steps before we get there) We are apparently only a third into the full Genshin Impact story according to the story writers speech/seminar at a Chinese university. Really hyped for the story to get even crazier from here on out!
"The sages think themselves all-knowing, but we alone are wise to their acts of folly..."
Nigredo, Albedo, Citrinitas (Citrine but close enough) and Rubedo were names also used in Xenosaga. Another game series I really enjoy.
Gold is by far my favroite charecter to look into lorewise. She's always evreywhere and is really powerful. Cannot wait to see her ingame.
Now I want to see skirk's sailor moon form! 😍
From the sinners we know "less" about, I hope one has dealings with technology. The ruins guards / field tillers and much more we see around, especially in Sumeru, as well as a lot of King Deshret and so on, seems to be connected to very thoughtful technical and scientific knowledge. Dottore hints at there being a multitude of different worlds and realities so to speak and basically describes our concept of science, which is much less rudementary than a lot of the steampunk style technology in Fontaine or old herbal science of Sumeru. One other Fatui we know of even gets carried around on such a machine and is acclaimed to be "immersed in her studies / workshop" in a way. So with the Fatui covering all aspects of the Sinners, Childe the foul, Pierro as the impartial Sage (Deinsleif equivalent) and Dottore for creation of life, it's not far fetched to guess the other remaining Fatui try to establish similar skills to the sinners before their corruption. So to speak, Pierro might try to rebuild a guilt strong enough to overcome the Sinners sins.
I LOVE the lore Minsleif shares!!!!!!
Dayummm its been a long time since i dive into genshin lore and this makes me believe there will be a continuation after khaenriah since now the 5 sinners have been name dropped. We've yet to explore the harbinger shit. So many unanswered question.
why is no one talking about how fine that transition from the narwhal to albedo was.. 17:35
omg and then the transition from albedo to lisa’s book 25:24
the penacony music in the background is so fitting... nothing is as it seems 👀
i just hope vedrfolnir is as handsome as dain so you guys can have dain and i'm gonna take the older brother :>
If you're into big purple crystals sure😅
One possible place where surtalogi got the pet narwhal is from khaenriah itself they essentially had a portal for aliens to come to the world and neuvillette says that the narwhal is not from this world so in search of a descender the khaenrians might've gotten a massive whale which was then taken in by surtalogi
I need MOOOORRREEEEEEEEE
DONT LEAVE ME ON TO BE CONTINUED
Nooo the cliffhanger😢
Holy! They plan for the book ever since 1.0 in Lisa's quest? I totally forgot there is even a book that the abyss want.
I had different expectation of who the sinner is but them being Khaenrians and one of Dain's brother makes more sense.
Bruh, Dainsleif really out here being Susuke.
My lady, will you be uploading your stream of the Archon Quest of the 4.7 patch? Just curious 😅
THAT CLIFFHANGER MAN
What if there really was an 8th Gnosis and the one who's currently in possession of it are the Hexen-witches given by Rhinedottir for keepsake.
I always thought that Rhine left Albedo at Mondstadt because out of all the region...It's the most "pure"
What I mean is, that it's possible that the Heart of Naberius being close to Albedo could have put him in a uncounscious state similar to Durin and Elynas. So, she send him to Mondstadt because
1. Alice is here
2. Out of all the region, it's the most peaceful, which is perfect for his research
3. Also Durin's dead body is here, so it offer him some kind of connection
Heart of naberius could be the 3rd descender's heart and his name will be naberius as we all know that all the gnosis are made from the remains of 3rd descender
Ever since it was mentioned in the Pari Quest, I've been wondering if the ring Dain had granted any special abilities?
In the opera a dwarf called Alberich stole gold from the Rhine maidens and made a ring, so what if someone stole a ring from Rhinedottir then used this item to control her creations? Then Dain confronted them and managed to take it, which is why he had it when he was found.
It's still possible that Rhinedottir planned to do something malicious with her creations, but it's interesting that three of them are actually kind, the same can't be said about the riftwolves but I don't think theres anything telling us what things look like from their perspective. For all we know they might be trying to play with us. 🤣
I hear Penacony music in the background lol
Idk if you read comments , but if u seen fma there was a theory of philosopher stone which can create life from nothing , but it was actually made from human sacrifice , what if they made a philosspher stone and then in fma he wanted to create more by sacrificing the whole world , the best part is the one trying was a create from the dark and when he lost the truth appeared i think it might be similar to that
My understanding was that our Albedo changed ProtoAlbedo into Joels Dad instead of killing him.
Will you explain WuWa lore? :O
The "butt" gets me every time.
btw in Chinese translation, the 5 sinners are Dainsleif's siblings
A cliffhanger!!!??!?! Tune in Next time, on Dragon Ba- Minslief reads Genshin Lore!
14:38 Btw does anyone else find it weird how the Traveler just guessed that? Idk that felt so random to connect him to the stone murals in Fontaine, idk maybe it makes more sense in the original Chinese text, but in the English translation it just felt out of nowhere imo
Yeah, it's kinda just exposition to just get it out of the way, maybe traveler linked him to surtologi and skirk appearing? Idk.. I doubt CN would do any better since you can't change anything from it. En and Cn will just be translations, not complete writing differences.
Unless CN use their complex proverbs that are 4 words long at best but have paragraphs of meaning.
No I don't think any CN proverb can somehow fit in this context.
Hey Minsleif! There's really something that everyone's been ignoring the whole time.
For sure the Abyss Sibling have seen the Traveler with Paimon all the time right? How come in every encounter, she/he ignores Paimon's existence as if she's invisible? Paimon's identity is as mysterious as Celestia so why they didn't comment something about her at all.
Niberius could be another name of Nibelung
The Heart of Niberius being written the same way as Gnosis in Chinese could indicate this hypothesis.
... and 'IF' Nibelung is the Third Descender (assuming he became one as he left Teyvat and re-entered with "power beyond this world"), his remains could have been the Gnoses.
During the new HSR version has trailblazers head to a ship. Look at the front of the ship. There are a ton of whales that looks almost identical to the All-Devouring Narwhal in Genshin. Some speculate Teyvat may be a dream, so maybe it is a place within Penacony or somewhere similar.
The "it's all been a dream" stuff is overused
So, I hope not
I'd be angry
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Is the Heart of Naberius the actual heart of the *Third Descender*? Whose remains were turned into Gnosis? 😮
I just realized how deep genshin is!! Feeding a human to a dragon.. a dragon getting killed but thinks he is happy and dancing.. eww this is so deep
its dark not deep
Please don’t leave on a cliff hanger, now I won’t be able to sleep bc I NEED to know what that artefact is
Min, you can not end a video with a cliffhanger like this-
So what now I have to wait for the next Minsleif archon quest mission to find out what the heart of naberius is?
if we get siblings vs siblings like 2v2 type shit
What I know about the Narwhal is that it's not Abyssal, but Celestial (Not relating to Celestia, I'm talking about outer space)... According to the whale's description, it's not from Teyvat's planet at all, it's from Space
This might ACTUALLY solve the pale princess and the 6 pygmies thing that’s been bugging lore theorists for ages. It’s so odd that a seemingly innocent book was said to contain some great secret all the way back in 1.0. But if the story was about the sinners, and we ALSO know that stories can circumvent overwriting by Irminsul, that would explain a lot.