The Investor Mystery
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On September 5th, 1982 in Craig, Alaska. A crime would occur that would shake not only the city, but the entire state to it's core. A crime so tragic and violent that many assumed whoever responsible would quickly be caught... yet, almost 40 years have gone by and the case is still unsolved.
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captain of the decade is such a cool title. sounds like he won an award
Coming into the video partway in "the captain of the decade and the crewmember saw the investor..." uh wow sounds epic
Also "a heavy fog overtook craig" sounds like he needs a coffee
"The casino began approaching the investor"
@@minacapella8319 I’ve seen “Tig ol Biddies” return the hat to someone on the “financial mistake”
Boat names make things so much better.
The crew member of the decade.
This is good proof of what my grandmother always told me: “No matter what, never trust a Craig” it doesn’t matter if it’s a person or a town
good advice thanks
words of wisdom
LOL 😭
Grandma was brutally honest. I can respect that.
True. No Craigs. And no man that has 3 names, ESPECIALLY if one of those names is Wayne. They're all serial killers, thats a fact.
Controlling people as an aggressor isn't nearly as difficult as you're making it out to be. Most people aren't going to play the hero in any situation.
especially with children and/or a pregnant woman among the group. most people's instinct is going to be to protect them and not put anyone at risk, not fight back and put them at further risk
Too true. If there’s a firearm involved & none of the victims are armed themselves, the chances of any one acting on defense are, sadly, *extremely* low
Idk theres a lot of factors for attacking assailants, its just as likely people will lash out in defense of children. Not to mention once people think theyve got nothing to lose or will be punished anyways they will go after the attacker. If anything maybe one or two of the crewmembers were killed for defending themselves, it would explain why they were killed. Regardless, this seems like either a deeply personal crime(i doubt it was pill) or someone economically involved was using terror tactics. I would bet other fishermen in the area know a lot more than they're willing to say. The fact that the bodies they found had nearly a dozen rounds in each of them points to the fact that someone either hated them or that a cartel of some kind was involved. It also means that more than one person did the killing since doing something like that alone is pretty difficult even with a fully automatic firearm because you'd have to reload and open yourself up to attack. I'm not totally convinced that the two crewmembers died there but it seems likely though the description given of the suspect does fit one of them.
In general bum rushing a firearm isn’t a good idea. Also, maybe that’s why they were all shot??
@@scordova98 idk I feel like that could be a likely explanation why all of them were shot. Rushing an angry guy with a gun could definitely get ya shot.
9 out of 10 people wouldn’t rush against an armed assailant, especially not with children present. And even if one of them would, and got shot, it would work as a very effective deterrent for the rest of the group not to try the same. There ‘s also a possibility that the assailant killed, or at least incapacitated, the men as soon as he entered the cabin, or that he shot them one by one as he went there depending where they were. There is also the possibility that the gunman held a hostage, the mother or the little girl for instance. The little girl could have died by mistake, by a ricochet for instance.
But if the boy actually was taken, he must have been left alone on the Investor while the killer drove in to shore to buy gas. He must also have been hidden in the dinghy when the other boat almost rammed it, while the Investor started to catch fire.
The boy may also have been taken as hostage, as a safety precaution if the assailant were to be cornered on open sea by the police or the coast guard
The motive may very well have been money. The Investor had allegedly a huge catch. Perhaps some of it were sold for cash.
Spoilers you muppet
@@npickle54 i like the sentence
Hell, many armed people wouldnt rush an armed assailant either. Ive noticed that most people really dont want to take risks.
@@npickle54 don't read the comments before watching the video, muppet. obviously most of the comments below a video are going to be about the video.
These weren't beta sheep, in other words, yes they would have tried something.
You mention how they didn't send a helicopter with water earlier. Fighting a boat fire with water has a risk of sinking the boat completely. If the boat is close to dock foam should be used but assuming they were far away I imagine there wasn't a great option for fighting that fire and saving any evidence.
Why would that sink the boat from the helicopter water rather than a boat with a water pump, just curious I have no idea how firefighting a boat works
@@kyleyuen245 that’s a good point. I got no idea either but my guess is that a water hose is more directed into the flames turning it into instant steam rather than just dumping a ton of water and having a large amount of the water miss direct flame and cause it to pool. I could be totally wrong tho haha
@@kyleyuen245 The main difference is that using fire hoses & pumps from another boat gives you more control over the fire fighting & how much damage you're doing - you use less water by focussing on the active flames & it allows time for excess water to flow off the sides of the boat & avoid flooding the whole hull. If you drop a thousand litres of water onto the boat from a helicopter at the same time you can easily flood it, and also do damage to the structure from the weight of the water being dumped onto it.
The vid creator has no idea….period. These types of solutions are not always immediately available
@@dancarlson8449 jeez alright mate calm down. It’s just a video for entertainment
Hey cadaber! I noticed you mentioned that there was a bit of a lag in dousing the flames with a helicopter.
I do some amateur flying and my dads and instructor.
If you look at the background of the photos where the boat is engulfed in flames: you will notice the weather is looking pretty hazey. I would bet they were waiting for safe vfr(visual flight recognition) conditions to be able to properly douse the flames without missing, or accidentally crashing before they got there. Just my guess, cause it looks super clear in the photo with the helicopter, so there was a significant weather shift in the cloud base in that 24 hours.
Sadly something as simple as weather can screw up a lot
I'm responding late but thank you for your insight! I came to the comments to look for something about this specifically because I knew there had to be a reason, they wouldn't just leave the boat in flames
@@youremyfavoritesong9868 thanks! Yeah as an example: i wouldnt fly in that weather in the first picture. basically you would take off and within seconds you would be forced to use the garmin(satnav) in front of you. The windows outside would probably be totally greyed out.
Something that stands out to me is that after the captain of the Casino was told by whoever was on the skiff that there were people on the boat, he just let him go back to Craig, and didn't press him any further.
Because its easier to report a ship on fire and be on your way to catch those fishes instead of arguing with a very likely killer...
If you have the choice to either pursue a stranger (keep in mind: you don't know about the murders yet) or try to save someone on board of a burning boat I'd assume you would also let the strange guy get away.
It could be in one of those “in the moment” type situations. I feel like the captain weighed the odds and could have even thought whoever was on the skiff could have been going back to Craig to get help.
@@Cadaber No one knew there were dead bodies on the Investor at that time, and everyone was focused on the fire. And it wasn't like the captain of the Decade could have just reached out and grabbed the guy in the skiff - that guy was flying by at full-throttle and didn't exactly stop to chat.
He “let him go”? The dude was in a completely different boat flying in the opposite direction. Exactly how do you propose that they “stop him”? Using a magic lasso?! They’re not law enforcement! You are crazy
I really hate hearing that “it is not in his character” Literally every friend and neighbour of a murderer of serial killer has said that!
Or “they were good friends!” Your friends are much more likely to kill you than a random stranger because people normally don’t go killing random strangers in such a way.
Ummmn your wrong young bloood
Are you British? Just curious. I saw 'neighbour.'
Many serial killers started off with low level crime and often animal cruelty. Leaving behind abused family members and friends.
@@shivvers519*you’re wrong, old head! 😂
As someone who is familiar with boating, handling that boat wouldn’t be an easy task. By that, I mean that pulling in or out of a slip would be pretty difficult. The boat idling would be a sign that the person driving was familiar enough with boats, but not comfortable with a vessel that size. This also would significantly lessen the pool of suspects because the average guy off the street wouldn’t be able to handle that vessel at all.
The more I look over the case the more I lean in the direction of whoever was responsible for this had boating experience. I think the tow lines being left behind was simply them forgetting about them in the moment.
Agreed.... it's odd for a person to be experienced enough to cast off & manoeuvre a boat like _Investor_ but not actually pilot it under power, or take it out to sea to sink it instead of parking awkwardly where other vessels will pass you. I suspect they didn't have any experience with the local waterways or how to navigate using the _Investor's_ equipment, so they stuck close enough to shore to be able to find it visually from the skiff. Also, they try to scuttle a boat by opening the seacocks but don't understand that it won't work in calm seas.... so they have _some_ knowledge of boats but unlikely to be someone who has much experience on fishing boats or trawlers. Definitely an easy way to focus your suspect list.
@@Cadaber Honestly, the tow lines being left behind seem to indicate there are only one attacker. I worked as a dock hand at a marina when I was in high school--all the way up until I graduated college. Boats of that size usually have a mate because it is impossible to maneuver a boat that size, and grab the lines at the same time.
@@Cadaber hey another youtuber on this mystery said it came out that a ship kenneth harvey roberston. worked on 2 deck hands shorty went missing. rip. also it does seem he/kenneth has worked on boats before.
Yeah, it's almost like hijck a plane and pilot it. I haven't set a foot on such a vessel, can't even start the damn thing.
Another important alibi is that I haven't been born at the time of the crime.
for those wondering why the sea cock thing didn't work, the sea cock just allows water to flow through the motor for cooling or for a sea water hose [common on fishing boats]. opening the sea cock does not allow the hull to fill in any way shape or form. if you turned the hose on at the same time and pointed it below decks, it would fill the hull, until the motor lost power [the motor would need to be running]. still not a total win.
You can, just by turning the right valves, open the sea cock to the bilge and sink the vessel. I believe the Investor had RSW tanks though, so that might have kept her afloat.
@@Queequeg61 there is no sea cock on a bilge. they exit above waterline and have no entry point below water
ha! COCK😂😂
You deserve way more subs. It is tiring seeing people on face cam just talking about a mystery, case, or bizarre event. The effort you put into your video is always top notch.
The people mature enough to appreciate this content are sadly not the demographic know for heavy subscribing. Subscriptions are also no longer as important as they once were.
For a channel that's only been around since mid 2019, and having audience less likely to sub then others, I would say this channel is doing quite well.
10,114,370 views, 52 videos, 183K subs with a viewership on average larger then the subscriber count.
Find any channel with over 4-5 million subscribers and notice they have a viewership on average of less then 50%
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Also If "It is tiring seeing people on face cam just talking about a mystery, case, or bizarre event" why do you continue to partake in it? Shut it off and put something else on.
I agree maturity is probably a factor, along with attention span. So many people only listen to RUclips while doing other things, and often also play videos at x2 speed. I've seen comments on videos complaining about things such as pauses in dialogue, or sounds where they can't work out what is going on without having to look at the video, so a lot of content creators realise it's not always worth the effort of doing more than a talking head if subs and views are their only goal. I really appreciate channels like this that still produce video as a visual art.
@@williamwinstrop3918 I understand how the climate is right now as to what gets popular. It is annoying how creators that take the time and effort to not send out lazy content get shoved under the monotony. It also sad when people who do the work and never get recognized slowly stop uploading and 100 more low effort channels rise.
@@williamwinstrop3918 ty, I like U
Agree
I had no idea a boat could burn that long at all let alone there be anything left of it. Amazing.
I think it's the fiberglass that causes that? But I'm not sure.
@@WobblesandBean its def the fiberglass, it can do some scary stuff.
I was thinking the same thing. Maybe that's why they didn't send the helicopter with water up earlier? They thought it'd burn itself out in the time it'd take to get a helicopter over it. By the time it's been burning an hour and half/two hours, they're thinking it can't go on for THAT much longer, surely!?
But then they were all fisher folk, wouldn't they know a boat's normal burn time? Perhaps it doesn't happen often?
Also, wouldn't the accelerant have made it burn faster?
@@luciuscornelius7177 agreed, I can almost hear then saying that, especially because I would think the same.
Don't know why I'm still thinking about the detail of the boat being on fire😄but they also might have been reluctant to douse it in water if they suspected right away that the boat would be the scene of a crime (despite their incompetence in handling the investigation on the whole).
If they did it anyway and risked washing away a lot of evidence, could that account for the lack of evidence of three of the bodies?
I suppose the boat fire is a crucial stage of this crime. It's the first time the crime is discovered, so much of the evidence was contained in the boat, and whoever was moving it around and going to/from it has to be a strong suspect.
If only the police could have got their act together and found the deviant who caused all this pain to so many. Who knows what they've gone on to do since then?
I hope they're haunted by what they did every time they close their eyes (including blinking!).
Every time he says something like “fog blew in on Craig” my humor degrades a bit more
A lot of great points are made in here, as always. I’ve seen this case before, but this was maybe the best. But I think there is an issue with one of your ideas:
One man with a gun can absolutely control even 6 others with a gun. Indeed, if people rush the gunman, they will win. But few will do that, because at least someone will be shot. There have been cases of more than 6 controlled by a single person with a weapon.
Well said and very sadly true.
You make a solid point and I may have jumped to conclusions there too much, I guess I was thinking in the sense that the moment the first person was shot, I don’t understand how everyone else would just play it cool at that point. If they see one person get shot then they could very well assume they’re next.
I think this would be especially true in a confined space. If they were in the foscle or galley there wouldn’t be much room to rush a guy with a gun.
@@Cadaber people go into shock, fight or flight, majority of people are unskilled and too scared to fight, especially when you have a literal gun pointed at you.
@@SgawCules Except not when the lives of innocent children are at risk. Even if the other deckhands had no relation to the two kids, I can't imagine they'd sit by idly while the lives of their boss' two little kids were under thrreat. Majority of people are unskilled and too scared to fight, unless they're determined to protect innocent children. Even if the killer had one or both kids hostage, no way would they not come up with some idea to take him down to ensure the little ones were safe.
I was living in Anchorage in 1982. This was big news and the worst thing of it's kind (mass murder) to happen in anyone's memory , it would later be overshadowed by the Robert Hansen story. The serial killer of at least eight young woman over a 10 year span ending in 1983.
Thank you for helping go to sleep. I was looking for something to listen to now. I'll definitely enjoy this.
Same. Was opening youtube in hope to find something and said “i love you cadaber” out loud haha
i thought i was the only one omg
same here
Same.
Good night guys
Love your reporting style. You're respectful to those involved (living or dead and any family and friends left behind) without being heavy-handed on gross and gruesome details. Great job!
Glad to see some Alaska cases pop up in channels recently - we have some crazy sh*t going on here nearly 24/7 lol
20:00 Dude, some guy in a raised truck
ran me off the road and then tried to instigate a fist fight, all because I pulled in front of him on the freeway. Didn't cut him off or anything, just turned on my blinker and slowly got in his lane. That's all it takes with some people. If not for my dashcam, I might be in ICU right now.
Lies. Lies. Lies.
@@LanceBeckman found the hothead with a lifted truck
Sometimes it doesn't even take that, I've driven past someone who was well in front of me turning round at T junction, dudes then followed me up the road flashing his lights, I've stopped to see what was up, got a load of verbal abuse luckily by time he got up to car I think he'd realised he was well out numbered (as 3 of us were in my car) got back in his car a floored it off, still have no idea what I'd done wrong lol our best guess was he thought I was someone else
@@slyaspie4934 Same thing happened to me once. I used to drive trucks for a company and for this load I had a new Ford F250 with a long trailer (hot shot load). I was driving back to Wisconsin with a full load late at night and I noticed an older truck was following me driving like halfway between my blind spot and the other lane with his lights completely off. It took me a minute to notice him in my side mirror because it was so dark out, but when I did I realized he had been following me like that for at least 20 minutes (I thought his car was just like a bug smear on my side mirror). I got so freaked out that I called my mom and started telling her the mile markers just in case he tried to shoot me or something lol. I still to this day have no idea what his problem was-I drive very professionally in the company trucks since they have the company decals on the side and have one of those "How am I driving?" numbers on the back. The only thing I can think is that because it was a new truck he got jealous or something, idk. I was driving from Rochester to Milwaukee, so once I got closer to some bigger cities and more cars hopped on the road he put his lights back on and dipped.
Dear Cadaber,
My friend from Germany showed me your channel few years ago and i've been watching it since, but lately i have completely lost contact with him and he never replies to my messages. It's been a very long time and im kinda worried. He was a really devoted fan and probably would never skip a video. If you're watching this Sam please answer my calls, yours truly - Hisoka.
Writing this in hopes it helps you rise to the top of the comments section to boost visibility. Best of luck, dude.
Good luck bro, hope he is okay.
this is wholesome, hope yall get back in touch
I truly hope your friend is ok.
@@Cadaber Anyway you could pin this comment to the top?
Being fired from a job has instigated many people to commit mass murder at their former worplaces-- not sure why you think it is so unlikely in this case. Many people prone to violence do not act rationally.
Right? There's has been many cases where people have killed for less, like literally there was a dude that went on to kill strangers because he couldn't get a girlfriend
@@SgawCules cough gun laws cough
Many, but not most. 99% of fired people don’t go on murderous sprees
@@fatbgmanbg975 don't do shit, if someone wants to kill, they'll find a means to
@@Nderak of course. My point was that the narrator was suggesting that the possiblity was absurd-- as if it never happens.
25:55 I like this extreme optimism. If I'm ever held at gunpoint with someone, I want it to be Cadaber. "We can take this guy, just rush him and I'll follow you!"
I just feel if I was in that situation, I wouldn’t just want to stand there and get shot, or potentially shot. Then again, I have never been in that situation so who knows.
@@Cadaber What If the person gives indication they won't shoot you if you do as they say? Random example giving them all the money on the boat. Given there was a child and a pregnant person on board, not to mention the shock of the situation possible creating a freeze or fawn response in some people, I unfortunately believe it's likely that the people on the boat may have hoped they'd be spared if they were compliant, or just went into shock.
Either way, it's a truly awful case and your video did a great job at laying out the timeline, thanks for the content
@@Cadaber it's not yourself you're most worried for, it's the kids and pregnant wife. Plus, like Oh No said the gunman could just say he didn't plan to shoot anyone. You're looking at it after the fact.
No you rush him, I'll follow you instead.
and nobody moves.
The idea they could have overwhelmed the shooter is misguided in my opinion. Fishing boats are pretty tight quarters with several people often being quartered in the same cabin. Comfort of the crew is not a big concern. I even slept in a bow cabin with 8 total bunks stacked 4 to a side on a 50' Delta tuna fishing charter with 4 more customers sleeping in convertible table/bunks in the galley. And we were paying customers. If the attacker waited until everyone was in their respective quarters before starting to target people then the narrow passageways and cramped quarters would have prevented more than one person coming at the shooter at once. More than likely you would have people trying to barricade themselves in their cabins as soon as they saw someone get shot. People tend to flee from shooters and not run towards them.
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Especially with a pregnant woman and children on board. They might’ve targeted them and forced the other adults to stand down because of that.
Could not be better timing... going to bed and needed to find something good...got this top of my recommend 😊 thank you Cadaber!
Was tryna fall asleep when sirens started blaring 2 minutes into the video 😂😂
I must say that you have one of the very best openings on RUclips. I love hearing it every single time. Also, your videos are great too! Keep it up man, you're doin great :-)
From my perspective and using my experience as a an ex fed this seems like either a deeply personal crime(i doubt it was pill) or someone economically involved was using terror tactics. I would bet other fishermen in the area know a lot more than they're willing to say. The fact that the bodies they found had nearly a dozen rounds in each of them points to the fact that someone either hated them or that a cartel of some kind was involved. It also means that more than one person did the killing since doing something like that alone is pretty difficult even with a fully automatic firearm because you'd have to reload and open yourself up to attack. I'm not totally convinced that the two crewmembers died there but it seems likely though the description given of the suspect does fit one of them. it would also make sense because whoever was driving the boat away was familiar with the concepts of boating but didn't have the experience of handling a big boat, I think the lines being left behind can be safely ignored as either an in the moment mistake or because if theres multiple people, only the one driving would've known boating procedures not the other person, not to mention taking the lines is more difficult for a single person to do on a large boat. I think that multiple people did the killing but left a ine man cleanup crew to finish it off, afterall a grouo of them would be suspicious and easy to spot in the daytime. I definitely lean towards a cartel or upset businessman hypothesis because it makes the most sense, there likely was more than one person involved, nearby captains and fishermen know the business and that sort of thing and seemingly ducked those questions when asked leading me to think they knew who he was involved with though probably not what they were doing, also someone would've heard something, it doesn't make sense that nobody heard anything even with the music, there were people walking by all night(think of the people that saw him chatting with pill) and no one heard anything? It only makes sense if the murderer(s) had surprised firearms. If they had shot inside the boat the pressure would've made it loud as fuck though the noise itself likely wouldn't travel far. It was mentioned that locals would've noticed outsiders but you're assuming that this cartel or business group is made up of outsiders, A local crime syndicate could be involved(which could explain why pill shoes up that night, maybe to warn them since in a small town like that even junkies know the lower and middle levels of the illegal business. Or it could explain the lackluster investigation because the local PD and govt could be on the take or in on it) or people who come through regularly from another fishing boat could've done it, the latter certainly wouldn't raise eyebrows and would be harder to solve but it wouldn't explain the poor boating skills of the cleanup guy unless he was a deckhand.
Excellent points, thank you.👍
I would probably lean more towards personal (maybe someone who has friends in high places) as a local crime syndicate I feel would be more blatant about it to send a message if they’re going to kill. I have a feeling it wouldn’t be done on the night of a party unless someone wanted to hide it. But it could also be a local crime boss. That’s just how I feel.
Abducted by mermaids
Video starts at 1:43
thank you, had to skip the loud noises
The pauses in this were absolutely brutal.
20:00 Ever notice how law enforcement and others are always quick to point out that eyewitnesses can be unreliable because memories are not infallible, but cops always stay silent about this when they’re relying on someone’s memory? It’s like they’re trying to have their cake and eat it, too. It’s whatever is most convenient for them. It’s not about getting the right person. It’s simply about closing the case. Just look how negligent law enforcement were every step of the way in the investigation.
Whomever did this felt very comfortable waiting to set the fire, which leads me back to thinking law enforcement themselves should not be ruled out as a possibility.
33:15 This just gets more and more enraging. You made a great point about this guy and the fact that law enforcement didn’t even look into him as a possible suspect is just...it’s like they tried and are still trying to do everything wrong. There’s zero humanity from law enforcement with this case and blatant that they don’t care about solving it or giving the victim’s loved ones closure.
Your videos are brilliant. Thanks for shedding some light on these lesser known mysteries.
"It would be like finding a needle in... a pile of needles." BAHAHAHA, that was so unexpectedly hilarious, well done Cadaber, I choked on my oatmeal lol
Finding a needle in a pile of needles would be very easy
Great story and the video production was outstanding...well done sir!
why would a drug addict overreact and do something irrational?
why would people not rush someone with a gun who is possibly holding it to a child's head? i mean how do crimes in public places even happen with all those people around? why don't they just use their telepathy abilities to secretly tell each other to all rush the gunman on three? it just doesn't make sense.
what even is human nature?
this is how you sound.
i have no idea if that guy killed anyone but your reasoning for why you think he didn't is absolutely ridiculous.
Lol that first line sums it all up. The rest made me stop laughing.
28:35 Smuggling slugs? _-A-HA!_ In that case, the local Frenchman is certainly a character worthy of scrutiny!
Surely not, he was in fact smuggling mugs, causing the Great Drinking Vessel Shortage of Graig!
@@SwimmingInSunlight So, it was _him,_ was it? -The _FIEND!_
We don’t eat slugs we give them beer but on the other hand we eat snails, french culture is full of nuance
I'm sure I'm not the only one to let out a high-pitched "Ooooh!" When discovering a new Cadaber video on their feed just before bedtime! Really love your work mate, honestly. Keep it up! 👍
Cadaber back with a banger - as always.
Another great video with perfect ambiance. Keep it up, we look forward to these.
Well. The bystander effect is a real thing. (And similarly to the bystander effect psychological effects on a person can cause inaction *Edit for CLARIFICATION REASONS) One man with a gun often is able to rob stores with several people inside. I mean we aren't psychics. You can't read the other person's mind and know if they are ready to go. And which one moves first. A good chance one of you at least is taking that bullet. So who is it gonna be. You, me? One of the other two. Do I move left.. Do I move right.. Do I charge straight at him. Will they charge too or am I putting me arse on the line for nothing. Can I talk this guy down? Those kinds of things would be running through your mind. Heck maybe that's why he shot everyone. Maybe he just wanted to scare someone and then someone did rush at him. Then he just didn't stop shooting. Regardless I think there was more than reasonable doubt. I have no clue if the dude did it. I mean it's not unheard of for someone to kill an entire family over job disputes. And if he was really seen with them that night. It's a hell of a coincidence. But I think the jury and the courts did right. Not near enough evidence to support it. Still well within the realm of possibility even for just one man.
thats not the bystander effect... bystander effect is when no one calls for help or steps in to help when witnessing someone in trouble because they assume someone else will do it, like if you hear screams and gunshots from your neighbors house and you don't call the police because you assume someone else will. self-preservation isn't the same as the bystander effect
@@BlisaBLisa Correct, but I'd say highly criminal's still has a point. The name for this doesn't actually matter that much...
@@BlisaBLisa The bystander effect still exists even when you are the one in need of help. Take it to the base level. Self Preservation is also a factor in not getting involved. It's not just putting it down to expecting someone else to do it. Which very much does happen in these instances. You freeze up and don't want to move first because you will be the focus and a hope someone else will make that move.
Effectively put each person waiting for the next to make a move and no one else making it. Sure would be neat if there was something very similar that we see in outsiders looking in but instead applied to the actual victims.
I mean just not calling the cops when you hear the neighbors fight is a form of it. But just recently a woman was attacked and violated on a Subway or train and no one did anything but pull out cameras and start to record. So self-preservation is absolutely a factor in the Bystander Effect.
Apply the principles of that to the victims and the acts of self preservations right? The 3 forms? Fight Flee or. What was that third one? Freeze? I guarantee you we have example after example of one lone gunmen being able to control large groups of people. Maybe the bystander effect doesn't apply uniquely to the victims but it's in the ballpark for the psychology that makes victims unable to act on their own behalf.
I mean sure argue the semantics over rather the bystander effect can also apply to the victims or not. But don't address the part where it's very similar in nature to what we see in reality in these type of events. Or are you under the impression that one man with a gun can't control a group?
@@BlisaBLisa TLDR. If it's hard for bystanders to move towards the person with a gun, it's also going to be just as hard if not harder for the victims. If you don't want to call it the Bystander effect fine but the psychology involved is very closely related.
@@highlycriminal3874 no, they are very different things that arent just a matter of semantics. the thing you're referencing with the subway isn't very accurate either, the people who were recording had also been calling authorities for help, and they were recording what was happening so they could have evidence of the crime, they weren't stepping in themselves because of their own safety, but were still attempting to help in the ways they could. its unreasonable to expect regular people to take on a gunman robbing a store, people choosing not to do that are behaving normally and its not any kind of psychological phenomenon. most people do not have superhuman heroism. you didn't mention it in your original comment so idk how you expected me to reply to it lol but no victims cannot be bystanders, those are separate mutually exclusive roles
That witness was likely overconfident in his perception. Being able to narrow a person's age down that much from that distance is essentially impossible, unless you already know something else about that person.
Exactly. I look about 14, max. Get ID’d everywhere I go. I’m twenty fucking seven.
Omg “of the decade” is the greatest ship name I’ve ever heard. “Oh yeah of course I’m good, I’m the captain of the decade”
It's simply "The Decade".
I'd bet that the fired employee did it. He knew the crew just got paid. He was probably upset he didnt get paid and needed money for his drug habit and to pay all the bills that come with being a new father. So he went and met with the crew. Probably at the bar they were at, where he probably acted friendly, so he could make sure they were loaded in cash. Then he went back to the boat at night with intentions on robbing the crew. I think you drastically underestimate how easily a person with a gun can take over 6 or 8 people. That being said, I think the crew actually did try to overpower him, but he managed to shoot one or more people. At this point I think he freaked out and decided to murder the rest of the people. Why this theory wasnt proposed by the prosecution blows my mind.
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(I personally thing your Quality over Quantity approach is better even though you wont get a ton of subs super fast)
Love this, the three instructional in the thumbnail have been exactly what I’ve been working on recently!
i thought an investor was going to go missing or something not a boat lmao.
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“Wearing a face covering balaclava will make me look innocent right?”
“As your lawyer I can’t advise on appearing innocent, but it does look cosy.”
dude im 30 and let me just say that 28 year olds in 1980 apparently looked 51
Lotta cigarettes and cocaine.
dumping water on a boat with a chopper, without the pumps running on the boat will sink it..that's probably why they hesitated
great mystery and excellent video as always!
I just like to say I like how you choose your stories them not being all the latest they are from the past that's my main reason I watch your videos.
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Putting innocence or guilt aside for a moment, why was John Peel shown wearing a ski mask throughout his trial? I was under the impression that the defendent had to remain identifiable to both witnesses, as well as the jury throughout a trial. Apparently that isn't the case in Alaska?
Prosecutor: "Mr. Witness, is the person responsible for murdering this poor family here in this courtroom today?"
Witness: "Umm, I think so?"
Prosectutor: "You think so? Are you able to point him out?"
Witness: "Uhh, no. Not really. It might be that guy in that silly mask over there..."
Defense: "Case closed, your honor."
Peel didn't wear it throughout his trial, just the initial indictment in front of a judge. His defence attorneys had requested that he not be photographed by media when he was first brought to court because they were trying to get him bail or house arrest... it would make it difficult to live in the community if his face was plastered all over the news, since he was arrested in Washington (where he lived) but then had the long legal process of being extradited to Alaska. Unfortunately the judge wouldn't ban the media from the Washington courtroom, so his attorneys gave him the mask instead.
@@medea27 Ahh, that makes much more sense. Thanks for clarifying, medea!
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I kept thinking the greatest captain for a ten year period of time was interacting with a stock broker for far too long at the beginning.
This video is full of weird names for things. Craig? Investor? Decade? I have to keep reminding myself that you're talking about a city and ships lmao
A 58' fishing boat in Alaska is considered on the small end of the scale, not "enormous" at all. No hyperbole needed in this story.
Was that the case in 1982 though?
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Pretty accurate, except for the animated palm trees at 6:50 lol. No palm trees in Craig, Alaska xD
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Shout out to Nick Crowley for introducing me to this channel. I'm bingeing. Great stuff, man!
Massively interesting, you never disappoint cadabar
The deep sea fishing/troller business is the only other business more full of drugs than restaurant chefs lol
and parliament🤣
DJs and club promoters tho 👀
Try roofing, everyone is a heroine addict lol.
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Weird I literally just got done watching Dark Curiousities vid on this story from like a year ago right before he uploaded. Alot of sketchy shit goes on in Alaska, seems to be much easier to get away with up there.
There’s plenty of villages with literally no police. Only park service around.
Yup, it seems alaska has a bunch of secrets.
Sadly, leaving no witnesses and burning the crime scene remains a fairly effective way to get away with murder. :(
Whenever I watch a Cadaber video, I always skip to 1:41
I was stuck in bad traffic, but it's all ok now. Cadaber uploaded.
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Oh yeah, this is a creepy one!
Btw, I loved your cameo on the 'j c s' channel!
Always stuff the turkey with your strong hand!
Man I love a new Cadaber upload 😍
Rhymes with hugs....pugs? I didn't realize there was such a demand for pug dogs.
Your videos are always a highlight of my day
My heart breaks when there's little children in these tragedies. I wish I could take the terror and pain in their place.
I know yer not familiar with vessels, this isn't criticism. The F/V Investor was a Seiner, not a Trawler. Nice one too. As for being fired off of a boat, no big deal, happens to all of us. You just hit the docks and find another boat. Funny thing about Craig. The sign above the bar, in the Craig Inn says " You lie and we'll swear to it.". I don't think Peel had anything to do with it. His actions for years afterwards, didn't indicate that he was the sort to do it.
“Give Hugs, no thugs!” :) Great story!
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I'm a really big fan of the 5 30 second long sequences of silence for no reason
Peel did it, for sure.
If you want a case study on being fired and then murdering people, Pierre Lebrun and the OC Transpo massacre as well as PSA Flight 1771 showcase this.
The Investor's tri-pod rigging was still there just off of Fish Egg Island sticking out of the shallow water for decades after the fire/sinking. Not sure if it's still there as I haven't been to Prince of Whales Island for a very long time.
One of my all time most fascinating cases , so infuriating it hasn’t been solved .
A drug cartel fronted the money to buy the boat. The deal was to smuggle drugs in from a mothership. The entire crew were in on it or were paid accomplices. John Coulthurst was skimming or otherwise got on the wrong side of the cartel. The local and State cops were in on it as well, which would explain their "mistakes" and going after the wrong guy.
I would research how well off the cops were when they retired. Did any of them have lifestyles way beyond their pay grade?
The other fishermen keeping mum on whatever they knew about Coulthurst makes sense seeing as they didn't want to be killed along with their entire families. There's a method to the cartels' madness. Fear is a great motivator.
I think this theory also supports not having a drug user on board as it could result in skimming
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I don't know how common the stereotype is but if 2 crews of fisherman can do the job hungover one person drunk or high (depending on the drug) shouldn't be too much of a burden or pose significant risk to others or the integrity of their work.
Love your channel! The intro costs me a set of speakers each time tho
We have this term in America called Postal. As in, "He went postal." It refers to someone being fired from a job, and then going into the work place and killing everyone." You have entire building of people, and they hardly ever work together to remove one man. About him being a father. People going Postal, are not driven by the same motives as a serial killier. Having a family is often the reason for someone going Postal. The Average Joe working at a Post Office can have good life. Health care, retirement, and a living wage. Not bad for someone with a highschool education. Average Joe loses his Post Office job, and he can't feed his family. Average Joe goes Postal because of his family, not inspite of his family. Having a baby might be a trigger.
26:00 people will often not fight someone even if they could take them out because you need all 6 people to be brave and willing to die, and even 1 person being hesitant can ruin the entire thing. And as soon as one people gets shot and killed, everyone else tends to run away and not keep trying to struggle.
It's actually pretty easy to control multiple people with 1gun. First you can lead them to believe that no one will be shot as long as you get what you came for. Second is yes there is more people then the one gun, but anyone in that situation will realize that whoever is the first person to charge and be the hero will ultimately be shot. It's much easier to attack being in the 2nd or 3rd wave knowing that you've got a better chance at survival since the shooter at least has to re-aim and do so with a wounded individual in his way, or the hero has come to terms with the outcome and continues to fight and the 2nd and 3rd person can easily subdue the shooter knowing their safe, though safe because if the gun fires again it will most likely be into the torso of #1. Backtracking though, it takes a hell of a lotta guts to be the #1 guy and plus you don't know if the other guys will follow suit or freeze up
Thanks for this great video! Is anything at all known about Kenneth H. Robertson's later life?
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They ripped off a drug dealer and he found out where they were and took over the boat and got info and then tied up loose ends and disappeared
I noticed you said the investor was a trawler- it’s actually a seine boat. 🤷♂️ ig I’m nitpicking
26:02 by taking one of the children hostage, obviously. Especially considering the youngest child was never found, if he had been taken off of the boat, the assailant could have not only been armed, but the threat of 'if you kill/harm me you'll never know where your child is' would have stood. It's also easier to control one child than two, so this could be why Kimberly was not taken as well.
33:45 why would their remains not be found when even Kimberly's remains weren't fully consumed by the fire? A grown man's body would have definitely remained relatively intact if that's the case. Additionally, a tooth is something you can both live without and easily remove - if it has been, say, an arm bone or one of the larger, essential portions of the body I wouldn't question it, but a tooth? It sounds like someone was hastily trying to make it look like at the very least Dean was consumed by the fire, when in actuality he wasn't there at all.
It also doesn't say anywhere about the state of the tooth - was it pulled out (with roots intact), or broken off like it would have been in an altercation? This would be a great piece of information as it would give a bit of an idea as to the scenario.
I'm not saying Dean or Chris were involved though - Dean could have been killed first, on the shore, and then the killer used their boat to get back to the Investor (presumably with Jerome in tow, be he alive or otherwise as his remains were found on the Investor), although that leaves the absence of Chris's remains a mystery, as it doesn't seem to be known whether he left the boat at all that night...
On the very slim chance any of the missing crew are still alive (mainly John) or their bodies were found elsewhere and are currently John Does (Dean & Chris), has their DNA been entered into databases in case a match is found? I can think of a number of unidentified remains that have washed up over the years.
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Didn't anyone mayday the CG?
I suspect the 1v6 situation may have been a 1v3 or a 2v4 thing. The entire crew may not have been held at gunpoint simeltaneously. I’m also interested to know what calibers were used/suspected, and if any shell casing were found. Did the boat have any guns on board?
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@@LanceBeckman youre not very fun at parties, are you buddy?
I got the notification yesterday and waited until I had some time.. 7 minutes in so far and it's very good already. You definitely have a knack for finding and investigating the most obscure happenings and mysteries, but they're so charged full of information and it's interesting. If there's any positive feedback I would give, I'd throw my 2 cents on the table and say don't change up anything. There are not many channels like this, or so have I been able to find, and production and narration is excellent as usual 👍🏻
NJ shipping competitor was murdered in Florida.
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I disagree with the take that one person with a gun cant control 6 people. With some distance in between them, he absolutely could. Shit gunmen have held up many more than that in the past. How many times during hijackings & things of that nature did nobody attempt to rush the gunmen? Or bank robberies? People dont want to rush, because the first one who does it will die. Nobody wants to be the first person to rush so they all stand still. I mean its possible theyd have rushed a single gunmen, but it's just as possible they would not have. ESPECIALLY with kids & a pregnant woman present. So I think acting like 1 person definitely could not have controlled 6 people is not accurate. It all depends on the people in question & their demeanors.
Combine this with the fact only one man was seen on the boat leaving the scene of the crime, & I think it's likely there was only ever one gunman. Also don't know why just because kids were killed you think it has to be a group of psychos instead of a single psycho. It could be either one, there have been numerous instances of both things happening. I dont think the information that everyone was killed plays any determing factor in the amount of people present. It only takes 1 person devoid of empathy to not care enough to do this.
Still a great video, really like investigative videos like this. Thank you cadaber