oooooh man, i am not trying to shit on you but you got a LOT of things either wrong or you are just under/misinformed, so you got a lot of work to do if you truly want it fixed
@@Pathulhu i dont know how much time you actually want to invest into this, but if you really want to know a lot, check out this playlist ruclips.net/p/PLkCbFgGOBiDsl3058pvWVY5VwTPLeAGM4 (you could technically skip the first 2 videos because they are pretty long, but again, depends how much you want to invest) (there are way more stuff but this is like the beginner kit)
When you reach 60 insight, the Hunter's Dream theme changes. It changes from "Hunter's Dream" to "Moonlit Melody", specifically. The latter is much more cosmic and melancholic, fitting of the tone the game acquires in the later parts
This is inaccurate, it's actually when you get 50 insight or more, OR once the bloodmoon rises, regardless of insight bloodborne.fandom.com/wiki/Hunter%27s_Dream
@@DivineBanana Thanks for the correction and for citing the wikia as well. I guess it was mostly coincidence that the theme changed right after I reached 60 insight in most of my playthroughs, then. Or maybe I didn't notice before.
I think the "doll is dressed as a Cainhurst noble" idea came about before The Old Hunters DLC, so we didn't have Maria around to compare to. But, it's still technically correct. As a relative of Queen Annalise, Maria is a Cainhurst noble.
When I first saw the Amygdala in Yarghul, I counted about 7 or 8. When I eventually found the Advent Plaza I noticed some chairs were empty. It amounted to around the same number of lesser amygdalas. I concluded that most of Mensis died when performing the ritual but those few survived and were granted wisdom from Mergo resulting them morphing and mutating into Amygdalas. The amygdala heads/skulls resembled distorted Mensis cages so it was obvious that they wore the cages to prevent transformation thus their brains being crushed or "stillborn". I put this theory on Reddit when I came up with it
The heads also look somewhat like the texture of the amygdala within the human brain. I think the stillbirth of the brains refers to the Brain of Mensis. However, we know all Great Ones search for a surrogate child: what if Amygdala (the original) collected those from Mensis with the most pliable brains and tried to make new Amygdalas, only resulting in lesser versions with no initiative of their own?
The "Lawrence is your friend, mission to find him" was supposedly the original plot line of bloodborne. The idea was that you and Lawrence go to yharnam for the blood to cure some undisclosed illness, which causes your character to pass out for like 3 weeks, at which point they wake up in some mansion or something and someone (presumably gehrman) tells you that Lawrence left a few weeks ago so you gotta find him. Don't remember where I read it but I do remember that
0:55 "Make Contact" is based on an idea that if we made contact with aliens, there would be so little in common between us that our only hope of communication would be mathematics. The position of the arms is to make a 90 degree right triangle in hopes the observer understands that we're sentient and can understand some math and geometry.
I’ve always seen it as a human’s attempts to mimic the runes, which are themselves mimicking the language of Great Ones. This is done in an attempt to commune with the great ones.
I think 5e reasoning behind the “Make Contact” gesture is that it demonstrates the performers knowledge of Right Angled Triangles and Pythagoras thus demonstrating that you are intelligent life to the Old Ones.
The horizontal arm is our world, moving into the cosmos, while the vertical arm is the Great Ones' world, coming down to earth. They're pretty much becoming one
About the Old Yharnam statue thing, when you leave the big door from the lamp and you look up, there's a random statue floating in the sky that the game devs forgot about
28:56 The Moon Presence wants you to replace Gehrman as hunter assistant. Since you consumed 3/3 of umbilical cords (one whole) you have (lore wise) the power of a Great One, which is what pushes the Moon Presence back when it tries to "wheelchair" you. It is also speculated that it pushed all of the hunters to kill other Great Ones like Kos in the DLC, directly victim of Gehrman's friends
A big clue to the "the nightmares are stacked on top of each other" is early on in the first area of the hunter's nightmare, if you go down some hallway one of the sea shell guys from way later in the fishing hamlet will fall out of the sky and land directly in front of you.
Shadows of Yharnam are "bodyguard" of queen Yharnam. Forbidden woods preceeds Byrgenwerth where the queen shows up after beating rom. Queen also shows up in Mergos Loft and before that the Shadows are present as well.
@@raivo1768 It makes sense regarding the lore in the rune they drop, and their presence in the game alongside Queen Yharnam. Basically a good old pthumerian royal guard
The beast claw with beast’s embrace is very simple, but you missed the point. It’s about embracing the beasthood and harnessing it for your own power. Without the beast’s embrace, you swing it around like a normal weapon, even when transformed. With the rune, it becomes part of you. I could explain more but I’m already writing two essays this week as it is
If I remember right the "seek paleblood to transcend the hunt" note is pretty definitively written by the player. Apparently a more accurate translation of the Japanese description is "a note in your handwriting" rather than "a handwritten note".
@Tenome hello Hunter, can you enlighten me to what the sun signifies ? It that related to the fire aspect in the souls game ? & the moon is for bloodborne
The Old loading screens isn't just explained by, saying it was boring to look out. Back when the game launched me and every player would sit through that boring loading screen for over a minute. It was terribly optimized.
@3:16 an example of this is in the first part of the dlc before you fight Ludwig. A snail woman falls out of the "sky" (The fishing hamlet above your head) another nod to this is that the only way forward is through the top of the clocktower.
This doesn't really proof it tho? Since the whole dlc takes place in the hunters nightmare, doesn't matter if you go up or down, it has nothing to do with theory that all nightmares are stacked on each other. In short, the hunter's nightmare going up isn't proof that all nightmares are stacked up on each other, since in the nightmare of amegdala(bad at remembering names), you actually go down instead of up, so if all the nightmares go up than this would be proof of the theory
@@3bodYking99 regardless of direction traveled, the nightmares in the base game are stacked as well. From the nightmare of mensis you can look down into the nightmare frontier, vice versa you can see mensis if you look up from the frontier .
About the cainhurst in yharnam thing... The whole map of the waking world doesn't exactly make now because they have been A LOT undecisive on how to put toghether the areas they had; in specific, there is a HUUGE untextured and undetailed map file in the game which looks like it could have been the back of the grand cathedral; evidence of this is that the chains for the altar in the grand cathedral to be an elevator are present in the waking world too, meaning you could have reached upper areas of the cathedral from there. Thus, the research hall is located inside the tower ABOVE the grand cathedral (I'm not talking about the one visibile from all the other areas of yharnam, but about the one further back, taller and with clocks on all 4 sides). Anyway, they had ideas for some kind of area to be above and behind the grand cathedral, as evidenced by the fact that every time you see yharnam and the clocktowers from far away during the game, there always is some sort of buildings clusterfuck behind the towers. Also, there is geometry for stairs going up instead of the elevator that leads to ebrietas. Back to the untextured map piece of before, it has some striking similarities to cainhurst, for example a sort of broken bridge and even what looks like an area above the main antrance of a huge building basically identical looking to one in cainhurst. Side-note It was probably planned for the player to explore the top, the roof of the astronomical clocktower (the one most hyped throughout the game, not the further back one this time) as it has a fully textured top despite the player is never able to see it and there is a bridge between it and the back tower, that of the research hall, in the waking world. As you can see, a lot of ideas were reused in the DLC. If you want some more info like this I suggest you to listen to some of jsf podcasts and to lurk in the modding discord of the soulsborne series, or even jsf and lance McDonald's discord servers. Awesome video!
@@Pathulhu yeah, I think it's kinda like the Mandela effect, you get the blood vials from the stairs behind Ludwig to the right, and because he looks like the dude knocking on the gate outside that gives you 5 or 6 vials, we think that dude gives you some too, a little while ago I was remembering the same when I first tried to squere with Ludwig, but when he was smashed by Ludwig he didn't drop anye
Or it's not a statue at all, but a coccoon that Ebrietas shed. There's also the fact that Ebrietas is a type of butterfly, and Rom(a) looks more like a caterpillar than a spider...
@@CobaltContrast I know that death works in strange ways in this game, but I feel like Roma can't both be dead in the altar of despair and alive in the moonside lake just because of how important her role was in obscuring the ritual. It makes no sense.
@@CobaltContrast I would be more willing to accept that theory if the two forms didn't look exactly the same. Personally I think the Moon Presence is an evolved form of Kos, but if Roma were to change, I think she'd at least have wings to parallel the caterpillar-to-butterfly theme.
I don´t know if you already know this, the reason you heard the baby crying before 60 insight is because you were in the nightmare of mensis zone, in yharnam or other zones of the main game you can´t hear it until you reach 60 insight, but in the nightmare of mensis it will be there always. Other than that, amazing video, keep the good work and fear the old blood
I'm currently replaying and heard Mergo cries at half that at 30 insight .. I've not even come close to breaching 60 because I keep spending it. So I think that's faulty.
I think the one about the doll being modeled after a Cainhurst noble is based off the theory that Maria herself was not only from Cainhurst, but was also a distant relative of Queen Annalise. This theory is heavily supported by the fact that all of the item descriptions for her armor set end in “This was her hunter’s [insert clothing article here], crafted in Cainhurst.” and the fact that the outfit itself bares many similarities to the knight set, which is found in Cainhurst. The item description of Rakuyo further supports this by saying “A trick sword originated in the same country as the Cainhurst Chikage, only this sword feeds not off blood, but instead demands great dexterity. Lady Maria was fond of this aspect of the Rakuyo, as she frowned upon blood blades, despite being a distant relative of the queen.” I think at this point the theory that the doll was modeled after Maria is widely accepted as fact, and all evidence points to Maria being a resident of Cainhurst with blood relations to the Queen, thus meaning that the doll is in fact based off of a Cainhurst noble.
I believe the requirement for hearing the baby cry is having 60 insight OR killing Rom. Since Rom is the one who was acting as a barrier between the human world and the world of the Great Ones, killing him causes the changes throughout the world, reveals the amygdalas, and causes the baby's cry to be heard. But the more insight you have, the more these things become apparent before then.
The 'O Flora of the Moon' dialogue isn't removed, it is simply disabled if you pick up the 'Eye of a Blood Drunk Hunter'. The Doll will be able to say it after a certain event (not sure which, maybe defeating Amygdala) but you get the chance to pick up the 'Eye of a Blood Drunk Hunter' long before.
I didn't defeat Amygdala and I got that dialogue. It's later in the game, sometime after the Blood Moon. Idk if it happens after a specific boss but it would have to be a compulsory one, not optional.
25:27 This may not be entirely accurate, although I do like the conclusion you drew. For reference, I study medievalry, and especially armor. Most knights did not actually wear leg armor whilst on horseback, as it hindered their ability to ride. Instead, they wore leather boots. The legs are not depicted on the armor, most likely, because the boots would hinder the splendor of the armor of both the horse and knight. Great video!
Laurence's body is the bloodletting beast, controlled by the parasite that emerges midway through the fight with the headless version. We fight the actual laurence in the DLC, but this is essentially his soul, which has moved into the hunter's nightmare after his death. Evidence for this is the japanese name translating to 'host of the beast blood', which makes sense for Laurence as he would be the first to imbibe of beast blood as the founder of the Healing Church. Also, if you compare Laurence's skull (prayed to by Amelia) with the head of the bloodletting beast, the structure and wound position are incredibly similar. Lastly, the point that we fight multiple bloodletting beasts is simply due to the fact that in the chalice dungeons, every boss bar Yharnam is reused. We can see the same with Rom: we know that the waking world Rom is the only one, yet she shows up multiple times in the dungeons.
But still the mistery for me is Mikolash,why he says that he will wale up and forget everything,i think he doesnt realise hes body in real world is desd
@@masacar1193 yeah I think that's a fair assumption: most likely the students of mensis didn't care about the results of their ritual in the waking world since they never intended to return to it.
The old yharnam chapel statues are the ones near the church of the good chalice, they depict beastmen similar to pigs, which are nowhere to be found in the base game, people with the physical GOTY edition however can access some test chalices containing these enemies, who wield axes (which they can two-hand) and torches.
If you're looking for more researched video you should give this one a try:ruclips.net/video/86cSbRiqkt8/видео.html Your iceberg is really good, but I think you should have made more research
Amazingly in-depth video man, an honest thank you for making it! As a side-note for those interested: the original Reddit post for the iceberg has a lot of comments from the community and OP which clarify and go into more details about what the implications of the some of the points of the iceberg are.
24:30 Blodletting Beast is the physical remain of Laurence, you can even see the same marks that the Laurence’s skull has in the Grand Cathedral. Laurence is NOT the origin of ritual blood but the first clerical beast, transformed due to his excessive use of ancient blood.
Make Contact - Pat from SBPF was playing this and made a comment along the fact that this gesture was able to contact the Great One because they are right angles, which relates to math, and mathematical concepts are the only things that all beings have
I FOUND ANOTHER. For all of Pats crazy talk, he makes sense. If you don't know what your contacting, but you're showing your intelligence in the only way you can think to, then the universal language of math would suffice.
broo thanks for the video! i LOVE Bloodborne but its an old game and ps4 exclusive so there's not much content about it, especially 6 years later. im so glad i found your video! i even though it has like 500k views but apparently only 500? you really deserve more on yt, good luck with it! :)
There is a new video made a few weeks ago(or a month can't feel the time), about the whole bloodborne story, it's and hour and a half of pure bloodborne content, I advise you to check it out
Not to sound like an asshole, but woof. Not only is there a LOT that's wrong, but for the iceberg being "FULLY EXPLAINED", there's a lot that's just left as "I don't know anything about this" "I think it's this maybe" "I hadn't heard about this before but it could be this" "check out this other source for information" etc etc. I might've typed out some long ass bullet points going over the mistakes, but apparently there's, thankfully, a revised version coming along. I'd honestly be down to help explain various things from the top to the lower sections if asked, though the bottom section stuff in these are usually highly niche, shitpost-y things that I might not know off hand.
You don’t need 60 insight visible on your screen to hear the babies crying or 40 to see the amygdalas. The game knowns what you’re running total of insight is. So you can actually be at 0 visible insight on the screen but if you’ve had a combined 40 you’ll see amygdala and same with the baby crying
Great video! And a little note on Father Gascoigne line: "Sick creature... May you rest in peace... Umbasa..." Umbasa it's basically Amen in the Demon/Dark Souls Universe, not a big lore man but i'm pretty sure that's what it means.
Perhaps the Orphin of Kos is releasted to Gehrman in a way. It is a nightmare after all, the hunters nightmare. From it we see that the Doll was based off of Lady Maria, and after we kill the Orphin the doll tells us that German is sleeping peacefully, I personally think Gehrman and other hunters killed or did something horrible and were cursed with a never ending nightmare, many people become trapped within it, but Gehrman wasn't because he was in the hunters dream, and is unable to leave it because of the moon presence using him to host the dream. As for that thing, I think it wants to kill other great ones, ether by killing them the normal way or find some other way to kill them.
One you forgot was the cut content. The Hunter meets and travels with Father Gascoigne until after the Cleric Beast fight. Afterwards, Gascoigne goes through the door on the bridge and you don't see him until his boss fight. I imagine it was scrapped to give the player a sense of isolation. Gascoigne's cut dialogue and early gameplay is on YT.
I like the theory that the old blood is taken from Queen Yharnam, that's why she's handcuffed when you fight her, and the blood all over her/Mergo's stillborn body (The Yharnam Stone) are the source of the "old blood". Thing about bloodborne is there's very little substantive evidence for alot of theories so alot of the theory crafting is interpretive, and there's alot of random stuff that makes no sense, like I'm only 20 minutes in so I don't if you mention this but the townsfolk you fight mention a bunch of name's in their dialogue that are never mentioned anywhere else, it's bizarre and I have no good idea what it means. The lore is designed to be an impenetrable spiral that sends one down rabbit holes inside your own mind alongside the game and the lore itself until you're in the kind of fervered mad mindset that Micolash is when you fight him. It's fucking genius.
as for the bit about gherman and the orphan having the same cry audio, the link is 100% intentional. along with this, gherman and the orphan share the same exact death animation, and have other similar reused audios. in addition, when you kill the orphan the doll says that gherman feels relieved in some way. i’m not sure what all these connections mean lore wise, maybe gherman ascended to the status of a great one in the waking world, and only now lives in on in the form of the hunters dream? i have no clue, but the connections are there and definitely intentional.
It's implied that the old hunters were Laurance, Ludwig, Maria and Gherman. They were there the day the fishing hamlet was attacked because they were the ones doing it. The connection between KOS(aswell as the orphan) and Gherman is supposedly that Gherman had killed KOS. The people of the hamlet cursed all hunters to living an unending death in the Nightmare (this curse can be heard changed by Maria when entering the campaign, young Gherman after killing the Orphan and the people of the hamlet through ambient sound files). Obviously Gherman isn't in the Nightmare, likely due to the intervention of the moon presence however it's more than likely he will end up there after he is killed in the dream (he doesn't show up after he is killed in the campaign but it isn't clear if the player is supposed to circumvent the moon presence). Likely the Orphan becomes a representation of Gherman as he was when he killed KOS or actually is the Orphan that Gherman failed to kill in the past acting as his anguish in the Nightmare. This is of course a theory and an interpretation but it seems logically sound.
I see it as kind of like cross-pollination in flowers. The grief and tragedy of what happened to Kos and the inhabitants of the Fishing Hamlet, the regrets that Gehrman now holds and is haunted by are lingering on in the Hunter's Nightmare. Basically I believe the Orphan of Kos to be a representation of all of that negativity and regret and horror.
@@tylerpimentel906 what's the evidence that Gherman killed Kos? I'm not a lore hunter and everything I know is 100% due to other people's hard work, but I've been under the impression Kos was dead on the shore before the hunters were sent to the Hamlet, and Kos cursed the hunters for what they did to the people there.
@@mykelmellen2378 Completing the DLC before defeating Mergo's Wetnurse and not exhausting Gherman's dialog. This leads to new dialog with the doll. She states that his nightmares have been soothed. Edit: I tried looking for the clip, couldn't find it. Also not entirely sure about Gherman's dialog part of the requirements but you cannot defeat the Wetnurse otherwise Gherman moves to his arena.
Lance often delves into cut content and other reverse engineering he has a great channel. Alot of these topic on the iceburg are covered by The Snack Covenant I would reccomend checking them out.
The Cleric Beast shortcut was cut because of PS4 streaming and loading issues. FromSoftware had a lot of problems getting Bloodborne to run properly on the PS4 and one of the issues was Cathedral Ward wouldn’t have been installed and loaded in by the time you got to that part of the game. So they opted to cut it, to force players to go around the long way in. This was changed fairly late in the development because in the demo, that door did have the function active, but it was never used.
The gehrman and orphan relation.... its more than just the crying. The Doll has a unique dialogue about Gehrman after you kill the orphan. Similar to her unique dialogue about herself after killing lady Maria. Almost as if the orphan is some kind of dream version or reflection of gehrman somehow... although how it all makes sense or is connected is lost on me...
It's more the fact that Gehrman and other hunters participated in culling of fishing hamlet and death of Kos(heavily implied by description and location of Maria sword) which started the whole thing and is basically the reason a hunters nightmare exists-plane created by Orphan like Nightmare of Mensis exists until we meet Mergo and kill its wet nurse
Surprisingly this iceberg didn't contain anything relating the doll to the frenzy things (forgot what they are called). I saw in a video ages ago that if you get a closer look, the doll's dress is very very similar and even had the same red bow on the front
I remember hearing that in an early draft of bloodbornes story the player and lawrence were childhood friends and you go to yharnam to look for him, but they changed it early on in development. Pretty sure it was mentioned in one Lance Mcdonalds videos but I'm not certain
The yharnam stone is a shop item, it keeps stuff unlocked from the bath messengers in subsequent playthroughs. It also symbolizes how difficult it is for great ones to be born as its mergos fetus
in lake of mud you would fight the last form of moon presence - the big tentacle boss discovered by tomb prospectors , there are videos of ppl fighting it - it made its way to be the area for orpan of kos but without the wall
thank you for this video mate, i havent played the game since i completed the game and the dlc near the end of last year but i was very heavily invested into the lore of the game so i love videos like this that inform me of it. i hope you get more views mate, great video.
I’ve never understood people getting upset about the illogical layout of the environments in the Souls games. It’s never bothered me. They’re games where you can’t really trust reality. There are illusory walls, magical paintings, entering people’s dreams, etc. if the locations of Iron Keep and Earthen Peak don’t exactly make sense is it really that big of a deal?
Palebood is the blood of the moon. The first note of the game tells you about the longest and “complete” ending. It’s telling you to kill the moon presence.
Fun fact: Make contact is based on a real thing for guide with meeting intelligent alien life. Its said making a 90 degree angle will show other inteligent being that you re inteligent, sentient and meaning no harm. Considering that math and geometry is an universal language :)
@@ricklubbers7761 very good point. Although we won’t know for sure until elden rings release. Could be hiding in plain sight in base game or not at all
@@ricklubbers7761 yeah the point being that, while they work on new games they might make dlc's for the old games, and since sekiro has no dlc before the announcement of elden rings, there wouldn't be a hint in the game since they don't work on two games at the same time, probably?
@@Pathulhu I'm also not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but Lance McDonald also figured out how to play as enemies in Bloodborne (by looking onto them and swapping places with a mod he made) and other such things. He basically has taken Bloodborne apart technically and done some great work with a noclip camera and whatnot. Interesting guy to look up if one has time.
So fellas, I've gotten a lot comments with differing view points and people pointing out the stuff I got wrong, so should I do an update video? Would you be interested with a video displaying differing theories and opinions? Let me know.
If you do make an update, make sure to correct yourself on the "O flora" voice line. I heard it yesterday but I forgot the circumstances that lead to it being triggered and didn't save a video clip, but I can confirm it's still in the game.
the slug farm is made our of parasytes that were inside of kos , kos killed herself on the beach ( by not breting air like normal fish) thus saving the population of the fishing hamlet from starving or bad luck
So she did a good thing for the people, and then the students of burgenwerth(don't remember the name clearly) came to take her blood and experiment on the poor people of the fishing hamlet, which is why she cursed them with the nightmare like the old great ones that cursed the thimarian(bad at remembering names) civilization and the blood they used, making them turn into beasts and anyone who uses their blood becomes a beast too
The claric best shortcut was intended to be used to return to oden chapel for Ellen's quest but there were visual glitches with loading the two areas so they added the elevator shortcut instead
The day one patch workshop note is referring to the abandoned workshop 1/3 of an umbilical cord description before the day 1 patch and it said “One of the heirlooms used to contact the Great Ones, originating in the child of the Vilebloods. Long ago, in an encounter with the great ones, a contract was established, establishing the hunters and the hunters dream.”
in early version of the game you were friend of Lorence and went to yarnam with him , he awake early and left you a noe " seek paleblood " you would try to catch him discovering him as the bloodleting beast a step before the great secret - queen yarnam and her baby - yarnam people are just thumerians on the ground many generations later
42:43 There is also cut dialogue from Micolash when he says “Father Norbert was terrible, but you probably saved him. I'll say thanks as his substitute. Umbasa.”
Despite you being a lot less informed on nearly everything, this video is just so much better in terms of aesthetic and voice. The music in the background really works wonders.
To add onto the madman’s knowledge It shows a slug for the celestial side of insight and beast fangs to show the beast side of insight Eg gaining insight from seeing gascoinge transform
My theory about the orphan and Gerhman connection; for the first teaser of The old hunters, there is a brief shot of what looks like Gerhman walking through the hamlet, I think he likely had a hand in the “defilement” of the town while he was helping Byrgenwarth. Likely similar to how the hunter (you) take on the echoes of the great ones after you defeat Rom, Gehrman does a similar thing when he finds Kos. But going a little deeper Gehrman only rarely shows up in the hunters dream with the Doll mentioning how he rarely shows himself, first time taking to Gehrman he even mentions Ludwig who we know is now a terrible beast, it could be that he isn’t forgetting the name but merely remembering what a horrible monster he’s become. Either way I think because of the curse cast on him and the hunters for their sins anytime Gehrman disappears he is sleeping and forced to become the orphan of Kos, having to also see the endless hunt that is the nightmare and see all the people he cared about, Laurence, Ludwig, and Maria in the horrible states because of him, while also symbolizing his loneliness,/abandonment as he continues to hope he’ll be unshackled. It is the hunter who ends up ending the nightmare and coming to rescue Gehrman. Other theories: the eye of the blood drink hunter belongs to Valtr the leader of the confederates. He wears the bucket with only one hole as he tore out the eye and is hiding what is likely a blood drunk face, only desperately holding onto his humanity by focusing on the mission to squash vermin, he likely witnessed many of his former compatriots succumb to the blood and get swallowed into the nightmare (Yamamura for example), his hope is to find a worthy successor who can also end the nightmare thereby freeing him and all other hunters, once you proved yourself he is then swallowed by the nightmare as well, but with the eye you can now traverse into the nightmare in order to end it. The eye can also belong to Simon as well seeing how he is always holding onto his head around the eye and wears a head bandage likely to hide the blood drunk eyes, perhaps he accidentally became blood drunk and forced into the nightmare.
I really like your hypothesis regarding the Eye of a Blood-drunk Hunter! My inclination would be for it to belong to Valtr, since as you mentioned, he seems to be clinging on to his ideals, but he has lost the ability to see vermin long ago, according to the Master's Iron Helm description, and thus, is very close to giving in to a blood drunk state. However, the Eye of a Blood-drunk Hunter is a "left eye" and the peep hole on the Master's Iron Helm/One-eyed Iron Helm is for the left eye.
super good video, only thing i'd suggest is adding timestamps to organize the levels of the iceberg for people who already know the first couple levels
I alway loved to think that Paleblood is an obscure concept that serves as motivation for player to uncover secrets rather than something tangible. For once I prefer English localization being more vague.
@@vanjaarsic1616 It's still not vague. Seek Paleblood to Transcend the Hunt, you kill Rom and unleash the Paleblood Moon, the Moon Presence is the closest Great One we find that resonates with the Moon, you kill MP and become a God transcending the hunt.
@@midnightmadness6344 Miyazaki said paleblood refers to the look of a pale dead body in an interview. Of course he could be trolling us, it always seemed to be a boring and unhelpful answer for its origins.
@@midnightmadness6344 There is a note that somewhat associates the MP with paleblood. "The nameless moon presence beckoned by Laurence and his associates. Paleblood." Edit since I just learned something. The Hunters workshop umbilical cord refers to the MP as "pale moon".
I am leaving a like on this video solely because you didn't explain what an iceberg video was before starting the video. I feel like iceberg videos are pretty common by now and they don't have to be explained every single time. I would assume you would catch on. But also great video, I love bloodborne.
So the thing about the Hunter Rune, there are two things that should be pointed out about it. The first is that it's very clearly inspired by the curse mark from Berserk, for those not familiar with it, and second is that it's supposed to look like a hanged body. People and dead bodies used to be hung from trees by their legs and would have their hands tied. So it's less the body resembling the rune and more the fact the design of the rune was based on hanged bodies.
It's been 6 whole years since Bloodborne's premiere, and we didn't even get a 9th generation patch for it But still it's my favourite game Forever & true
To all the people pointing out all the wrong things, I am doing an update video. Should be out by next week sometime.
I don't know if someone already told you this, but the slugs are actually called "phantasms"
oooooh man, i am not trying to shit on you but you got a LOT of things either wrong or you are just under/misinformed, so you got a lot of work to do if you truly want it fixed
@@4blasphemy I'm aware of the fact
@@Pathulhu i dont know how much time you actually want to invest into this, but if you really want to know a lot, check out this playlist ruclips.net/p/PLkCbFgGOBiDsl3058pvWVY5VwTPLeAGM4 (you could technically skip the first 2 videos because they are pretty long, but again, depends how much you want to invest) (there are way more stuff but this is like the beginner kit)
@@4blasphemy I appreciate the help.
When you reach 60 insight, the Hunter's Dream theme changes.
It changes from "Hunter's Dream" to "Moonlit Melody", specifically. The latter is much more cosmic and melancholic, fitting of the tone the game acquires in the later parts
It's also the OST for the Moon Presence fight, in part
This is inaccurate, it's actually when you get 50 insight or more, OR once the bloodmoon rises, regardless of insight
bloodborne.fandom.com/wiki/Hunter%27s_Dream
@@DivineBanana Thanks for the correction and for citing the wikia as well.
I guess it was mostly coincidence that the theme changed right after I reached 60 insight in most of my playthroughs, then. Or maybe I didn't notice before.
@@umcaraqualquer3640 I had to Google it myself because I thought it was at 40... Looks like we were both off by 10 🤣
This is one of the reasons why I don't spend my insight.
I think the "doll is dressed as a Cainhurst noble" idea came about before The Old Hunters DLC, so we didn't have Maria around to compare to. But, it's still technically correct. As a relative of Queen Annalise, Maria is a Cainhurst noble.
Was looking for this comment.
Yaaay
Bloodborne 0/10 can't tap maria
Explains her "old blood" origin
@@diabolicarrrot6920I wish man
When I first saw the Amygdala in Yarghul, I counted about 7 or 8. When I eventually found the Advent Plaza I noticed some chairs were empty. It amounted to around the same number of lesser amygdalas. I concluded that most of Mensis died when performing the ritual but those few survived and were granted wisdom from Mergo resulting them morphing and mutating into Amygdalas. The amygdala heads/skulls resembled distorted Mensis cages so it was obvious that they wore the cages to prevent transformation thus their brains being crushed or "stillborn". I put this theory on Reddit when I came up with it
That's a very good theory, I'll look into it myself next time I pick up the game.
Ya that's cool good find
Good one!
The heads also look somewhat like the texture of the amygdala within the human brain. I think the stillbirth of the brains refers to the Brain of Mensis. However, we know all Great Ones search for a surrogate child: what if Amygdala (the original) collected those from Mensis with the most pliable brains and tried to make new Amygdalas, only resulting in lesser versions with no initiative of their own?
That’s absolutely completed Bloodborne for me. Thank you
The "Lawrence is your friend, mission to find him" was supposedly the original plot line of bloodborne. The idea was that you and Lawrence go to yharnam for the blood to cure some undisclosed illness, which causes your character to pass out for like 3 weeks, at which point they wake up in some mansion or something and someone (presumably gehrman) tells you that Lawrence left a few weeks ago so you gotta find him. Don't remember where I read it but I do remember that
Some unused Gehrman dialogue points at that too, he would meet Laurence and Laurence would mercy kill him.
Im pretty sure Lance McDonald found the unused dialogue for this and gave it to an early version NPC and had her say them.
That’s very interesting to read about
That would have taken the game in a very different direction. I like what we got better.
0:55 "Make Contact" is based on an idea that if we made contact with aliens, there would be so little in common between us that our only hope of communication would be mathematics. The position of the arms is to make a 90 degree right triangle in hopes the observer understands that we're sentient and can understand some math and geometry.
I’ve always seen it as a human’s attempts to mimic the runes, which are themselves mimicking the language of Great Ones. This is done in an attempt to commune with the great ones.
This seems like a huge stretch tbh
Very interesting to read
My first thought went to the hands of a clock. I have no threads to connect. 😂
@@mykelmellen2378 very nice
I think 5e reasoning behind the “Make Contact” gesture is that it demonstrates the performers knowledge of Right Angled Triangles and Pythagoras thus demonstrating that you are intelligent life to the Old Ones.
I interpreted it as the hands of a clock, but that makes more sense.
To me It represents the cycle of the day and the transformation from a human to something more.
@@Pathulhu maybe a connection to the astral clocktower?
The horizontal arm is our world, moving into the cosmos, while the vertical arm is the Great Ones' world, coming down to earth. They're pretty much becoming one
There a civilization with architecture ofcourse they know what a triangle is
About the Old Yharnam statue thing, when you leave the big door from the lamp and you look up, there's a random statue floating in the sky that the game devs forgot about
Oh shit! I totally forgot about that. That's sick. I'll definitely need to do an update on that.
@@Pathulhu check out the statues in the blood starved beast arena. That's the chapel in reference.
28:56 The Moon Presence wants you to replace Gehrman as hunter assistant. Since you consumed 3/3 of umbilical cords (one whole) you have (lore wise) the power of a Great One, which is what pushes the Moon Presence back when it tries to "wheelchair" you. It is also speculated that it pushed all of the hunters to kill other Great Ones like Kos in the DLC, directly victim of Gehrman's friends
Very interesting
A big clue to the "the nightmares are stacked on top of each other" is early on in the first area of the hunter's nightmare, if you go down some hallway one of the sea shell guys from way later in the fishing hamlet will fall out of the sky and land directly in front of you.
Shadows of Yharnam are "bodyguard" of queen Yharnam. Forbidden woods preceeds Byrgenwerth where the queen shows up after beating rom. Queen also shows up in Mergos Loft and before that the Shadows are present as well.
Yes shadows, as in they “shadow” the Queen wherever she goes.
@@raivo1768 It makes sense regarding the lore in the rune they drop, and their presence in the game alongside Queen Yharnam. Basically a good old pthumerian royal guard
@@raivo1768 Mind = blown
Maybe not bodyguards, maybe nurses. Think about it, Mergo’s wet nurse is wearing the exact same robes as the shadows.
I hope the algorithm blesses you and this gets more views. Great video.
Thank you so much! That means a lot 🙂
Yeah, it's worked
It's working. I don't even play this game and it's in my recommended lol.
It worked xD
it did! 😅
The beast claw with beast’s embrace is very simple, but you missed the point. It’s about embracing the beasthood and harnessing it for your own power. Without the beast’s embrace, you swing it around like a normal weapon, even when transformed. With the rune, it becomes part of you.
I could explain more but I’m already writing two essays this week as it is
Oh yeah, it's like the Kos Parasite with Milkweed.
@@Pathulhubroccoli head
If I remember right the "seek paleblood to transcend the hunt" note is pretty definitively written by the player. Apparently a more accurate translation of the Japanese description is "a note in your handwriting" rather than "a handwritten note".
Id say the reason you find the spark hunters badge after killing paarl is because it ate archibald
ive never played the game , but that makes sense
That never occurred to me tbh haha. Makes the most sense.
Or it was one of his hunters
You decide, love bloodborne for it's "Uh-huh" attitude
@Tenome hello Hunter, can you enlighten me to what the sun signifies ? It that related to the fire aspect in the souls game ? & the moon is for bloodborne
The Old loading screens isn't just explained by, saying it was boring to look out. Back when the game launched me and every player would sit through that boring loading screen for over a minute. It was terribly optimized.
The load times used to be around a minute until the first patch iirc
@3:16 an example of this is in the first part of the dlc before you fight Ludwig. A snail woman falls out of the "sky" (The fishing hamlet above your head) another nod to this is that the only way forward is through the top of the clocktower.
This doesn't really proof it tho? Since the whole dlc takes place in the hunters nightmare, doesn't matter if you go up or down, it has nothing to do with theory that all nightmares are stacked on each other.
In short, the hunter's nightmare going up isn't proof that all nightmares are stacked up on each other, since in the nightmare of amegdala(bad at remembering names), you actually go down instead of up, so if all the nightmares go up than this would be proof of the theory
@@3bodYking99 regardless of direction traveled, the nightmares in the base game are stacked as well. From the nightmare of mensis you can look down into the nightmare frontier, vice versa you can see mensis if you look up from the frontier .
About the cainhurst in yharnam thing... The whole map of the waking world doesn't exactly make now because they have been A LOT undecisive on how to put toghether the areas they had; in specific, there is a HUUGE untextured and undetailed map file in the game which looks like it could have been the back of the grand cathedral; evidence of this is that the chains for the altar in the grand cathedral to be an elevator are present in the waking world too, meaning you could have reached upper areas of the cathedral from there. Thus, the research hall is located inside the tower ABOVE the grand cathedral (I'm not talking about the one visibile from all the other areas of yharnam, but about the one further back, taller and with clocks on all 4 sides). Anyway, they had ideas for some kind of area to be above and behind the grand cathedral, as evidenced by the fact that every time you see yharnam and the clocktowers from far away during the game, there always is some sort of buildings clusterfuck behind the towers. Also, there is geometry for stairs going up instead of the elevator that leads to ebrietas. Back to the untextured map piece of before, it has some striking similarities to cainhurst, for example a sort of broken bridge and even what looks like an area above the main antrance of a huge building basically identical looking to one in cainhurst.
Side-note
It was probably planned for the player to explore the top, the roof of the astronomical clocktower (the one most hyped throughout the game, not the further back one this time) as it has a fully textured top despite the player is never able to see it and there is a bridge between it and the back tower, that of the research hall, in the waking world. As you can see, a lot of ideas were reused in the DLC.
If you want some more info like this I suggest you to listen to some of jsf podcasts and to lurk in the modding discord of the soulsborne series, or even jsf and lance McDonald's discord servers.
Awesome video!
Cool, I'll have to look into it more. There's so much more to this game than I first thought.
Tbh the first time i fought Ludwig the laughing corpse survived and i ended up killing him because i thought that he was going to drop something
I swear he dropped some blood vials, but maybe not.
@@Pathulhu yeah, I think it's kinda like the Mandela effect, you get the blood vials from the stairs behind Ludwig to the right, and because he looks like the dude knocking on the gate outside that gives you 5 or 6 vials, we think that dude gives you some too, a little while ago I was remembering the same when I first tried to squere with Ludwig, but when he was smashed by Ludwig he didn't drop anye
There's a statue of a rom-like creature at the Altar of Despair that has long legs, so it does seem like Rom may have legless sockets
Or it's not a statue at all, but a coccoon that Ebrietas shed. There's also the fact that Ebrietas is a type of butterfly, and Rom(a) looks more like a caterpillar than a spider...
It's where Rom died most likely and Ebrietasus is mourning at the altar.
@@CobaltContrast I know that death works in strange ways in this game, but I feel like Roma can't both be dead in the altar of despair and alive in the moonside lake just because of how important her role was in obscuring the ritual. It makes no sense.
@@shoutuckerdidnothingwrong Rom that you fight is her ascending being.
@@CobaltContrast I would be more willing to accept that theory if the two forms didn't look exactly the same. Personally I think the Moon Presence is an evolved form of Kos, but if Roma were to change, I think she'd at least have wings to parallel the caterpillar-to-butterfly theme.
I don´t know if you already know this, the reason you heard the baby crying before 60 insight is because you were in the nightmare of mensis zone, in yharnam or other zones of the main game you can´t hear it until you reach 60 insight, but in the nightmare of mensis it will be there always.
Other than that, amazing video, keep the good work and fear the old blood
Oh I know, that was some of the only footage I could find. But I do recall hearing Mergo crying in the Cathedral Ward whilst having under 60 insight.
@@Pathulhu if I'm not wrong after the blood moon rises you can hear the baby crying anywhere
I'm currently replaying and heard Mergo cries at half that at 30 insight .. I've not even come close to breaching 60 because I keep spending it. So I think that's faulty.
After you kill rom you hear it everywhere
I think the one about the doll being modeled after a Cainhurst noble is based off the theory that Maria herself was not only from Cainhurst, but was also a distant relative of Queen Annalise. This theory is heavily supported by the fact that all of the item descriptions for her armor set end in “This was her hunter’s [insert clothing article here], crafted in Cainhurst.” and the fact that the outfit itself bares many similarities to the knight set, which is found in Cainhurst. The item description of Rakuyo further supports this by saying “A trick sword originated in the same country as the Cainhurst Chikage, only this sword feeds not off blood, but instead demands great dexterity. Lady Maria was fond of this aspect of the Rakuyo, as she frowned upon blood blades, despite being a distant relative of the queen.” I think at this point the theory that the doll was modeled after Maria is widely accepted as fact, and all evidence points to Maria being a resident of Cainhurst with blood relations to the Queen, thus meaning that the doll is in fact based off of a Cainhurst noble.
Yeah it's pretty obvious to me now, it's just the wording on the iceberg that threw me off. I correct myself in my follow-up video.
the iceberg trend made me discover channels i wouldn't have otherwise.
May the algorithm bless you.
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed the video ☺️
I believe the requirement for hearing the baby cry is having 60 insight OR killing Rom. Since Rom is the one who was acting as a barrier between the human world and the world of the Great Ones, killing him causes the changes throughout the world, reveals the amygdalas, and causes the baby's cry to be heard. But the more insight you have, the more these things become apparent before then.
She, please
The 'O Flora of the Moon' dialogue isn't removed, it is simply disabled if you pick up the 'Eye of a Blood Drunk Hunter'.
The Doll will be able to say it after a certain event (not sure which, maybe defeating Amygdala) but you get the chance to pick up the 'Eye of a Blood Drunk Hunter' long before.
I didn't defeat Amygdala and I got that dialogue. It's later in the game, sometime after the Blood Moon. Idk if it happens after a specific boss but it would have to be a compulsory one, not optional.
I think it’s just random. I got it last night, and I picked up the Eye of a Blood Drunk hunter days ago
I got it fairly early in the game, didn’t even realize it was rare at the time
25:27 This may not be entirely accurate, although I do like the conclusion you drew. For reference, I study medievalry, and especially armor. Most knights did not actually wear leg armor whilst on horseback, as it hindered their ability to ride. Instead, they wore leather boots. The legs are not depicted on the armor, most likely, because the boots would hinder the splendor of the armor of both the horse and knight. Great video!
Laurence's body is the bloodletting beast, controlled by the parasite that emerges midway through the fight with the headless version. We fight the actual laurence in the DLC, but this is essentially his soul, which has moved into the hunter's nightmare after his death. Evidence for this is the japanese name translating to 'host of the beast blood', which makes sense for Laurence as he would be the first to imbibe of beast blood as the founder of the Healing Church. Also, if you compare Laurence's skull (prayed to by Amelia) with the head of the bloodletting beast, the structure and wound position are incredibly similar.
Lastly, the point that we fight multiple bloodletting beasts is simply due to the fact that in the chalice dungeons, every boss bar Yharnam is reused. We can see the same with Rom: we know that the waking world Rom is the only one, yet she shows up multiple times in the dungeons.
Thank you for the corrections! It's good to see the community alive and thriving with theories and commentary.
Good point
But still the mistery for me is Mikolash,why he says that he will wale up and forget everything,i think he doesnt realise hes body in real world is desd
@@masacar1193 yeah I think that's a fair assumption: most likely the students of mensis didn't care about the results of their ritual in the waking world since they never intended to return to it.
But what is brain of mansis then
Lance has done a lot for cut content finding. He's managed to reapply a lot of older versions of enemies and bosses, too. Great videos on all of it
The old yharnam chapel statues are the ones near the church of the good chalice, they depict beastmen similar to pigs, which are nowhere to be found in the base game, people with the physical GOTY edition however can access some test chalices containing these enemies, who wield axes (which they can two-hand) and torches.
I'll have to do an update video ☺️
Wait, I have that GOTY Physical! How do I access those dungeons?
@@chrisppx I there are chalice dungeon glyphs out there that give you access, not entirely sure though.
where to find that statue exactly?
If you're looking for more researched video you should give this one a try:ruclips.net/video/86cSbRiqkt8/видео.html
Your iceberg is really good, but I think you should have made more research
Amazingly in-depth video man, an honest thank you for making it!
As a side-note for those interested: the original Reddit post for the iceberg has a lot of comments from the community and OP which clarify and go into more details about what the implications of the some of the points of the iceberg are.
Maybe the Make Contact gesture is really the friends we made along the way.
24:30 Blodletting Beast is the physical remain of Laurence, you can even see the same marks that the Laurence’s skull has in the Grand Cathedral. Laurence is NOT the origin of ritual blood but the first clerical beast, transformed due to his excessive use of ancient blood.
Make Contact - Pat from SBPF was playing this and made a comment along the fact that this gesture was able to contact the Great One because they are right angles, which relates to math, and mathematical concepts are the only things that all beings have
I FOUND ANOTHER. For all of Pats crazy talk, he makes sense. If you don't know what your contacting, but you're showing your intelligence in the only way you can think to, then the universal language of math would suffice.
@@steventylertriesit897 HELLZ YEAH!!!😉😄
@@ninjaeris131 My favorite moment of theirs is when Matt screams to pat, to "DROP THE CRACK PAT", to which Pat responds, "NOOOOO!!! PERSONAAAA!"
@@steventylertriesit897 I listen to them sing SnakeEater on a weekly basis and I still heard Pats voice when playing DS2😂
@@ninjaeris131 They just have those mannerisms and an immense amount of enthusiasm thats so memorable.
I hope these iceberg videos never stop. It's the best youtube trend in a while.
broo thanks for the video! i LOVE Bloodborne but its an old game and ps4 exclusive so there's not much content about it, especially 6 years later. im so glad i found your video! i even though it has like 500k views but apparently only 500? you really deserve more on yt, good luck with it! :)
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it. I hope more people come to watch haha
Ymfah do a Lot of videos about Bloodborne, Also Vaatvidyia.
HeyZeusheretoast do a Lot of speedruns too
There is a new video made a few weeks ago(or a month can't feel the time), about the whole bloodborne story, it's and hour and a half of pure bloodborne content, I advise you to check it out
great work man! Love that people are still talking about Bloodborne. such an amazing game and world
Wow so much work, such a great video
Really hope more people will get this in their recommendations
Lance McDonald's 60fps version fixes all the problems that would come with going from 30 to 60 and is pretty awesome
Not to sound like an asshole, but woof. Not only is there a LOT that's wrong, but for the iceberg being "FULLY EXPLAINED", there's a lot that's just left as "I don't know anything about this" "I think it's this maybe" "I hadn't heard about this before but it could be this" "check out this other source for information" etc etc. I might've typed out some long ass bullet points going over the mistakes, but apparently there's, thankfully, a revised version coming along. I'd honestly be down to help explain various things from the top to the lower sections if asked, though the bottom section stuff in these are usually highly niche, shitpost-y things that I might not know off hand.
That "How to Pick Up Fair Maidens" book is SO MUCH FUNNIER now that Elden Ring exists
Most of these iceburgs are painfully vanilla
You don’t need 60 insight visible on your screen to hear the babies crying or 40 to see the amygdalas. The game knowns what you’re running total of insight is. So you can actually be at 0 visible insight on the screen but if you’ve had a combined 40 you’ll see amygdala and same with the baby crying
Great video! And a little note on Father Gascoigne line: "Sick creature... May you rest in peace... Umbasa..." Umbasa it's basically Amen in the Demon/Dark Souls Universe, not a big lore man but i'm pretty sure that's what it means.
Perhaps the Orphin of Kos is releasted to Gehrman in a way.
It is a nightmare after all, the hunters nightmare.
From it we see that the Doll was based off of Lady Maria, and after we kill the Orphin the doll tells us that German is sleeping peacefully, I personally think Gehrman and other hunters killed or did something horrible and were cursed with a never ending nightmare, many people become trapped within it, but Gehrman wasn't because he was in the hunters dream, and is unable to leave it because of the moon presence using him to host the dream.
As for that thing, I think it wants to kill other great ones, ether by killing them the normal way or find some other way to kill them.
Gherman and Maria were both involved in the fishing hamlet massacre so that is how they are connected I think
One you forgot was the cut content. The Hunter meets and travels with Father Gascoigne until after the Cleric Beast fight. Afterwards, Gascoigne goes through the door on the bridge and you don't see him until his boss fight.
I imagine it was scrapped to give the player a sense of isolation. Gascoigne's cut dialogue and early gameplay is on YT.
I like the theory that the old blood is taken from Queen Yharnam, that's why she's handcuffed when you fight her, and the blood all over her/Mergo's stillborn body (The Yharnam Stone) are the source of the "old blood". Thing about bloodborne is there's very little substantive evidence for alot of theories so alot of the theory crafting is interpretive, and there's alot of random stuff that makes no sense, like I'm only 20 minutes in so I don't if you mention this but the townsfolk you fight mention a bunch of name's in their dialogue that are never mentioned anywhere else, it's bizarre and I have no good idea what it means. The lore is designed to be an impenetrable spiral that sends one down rabbit holes inside your own mind alongside the game and the lore itself until you're in the kind of fervered mad mindset that Micolash is when you fight him. It's fucking genius.
Interesting video
Your work deserves way more attention.
Thank you! I plan on doing some more videos like this in the future, so stay tuned :)
@@Pathulhu btw I'd enjoy a bloodborne playthrough.
Im just about leaving a comment so the algorithm detects more interaction on this video. Really interesting!!
Finally! Was looking for a video like this only a few weeks before you posted it. Majestic!
I like this editing style, I would love to see more informative stuff like this!
as for the bit about gherman and the orphan having the same cry audio, the link is 100% intentional. along with this, gherman and the orphan share the same exact death animation, and have other similar reused audios. in addition, when you kill the orphan the doll says that gherman feels relieved in some way. i’m not sure what all these connections mean lore wise, maybe gherman ascended to the status of a great one in the waking world, and only now lives in on in the form of the hunters dream? i have no clue, but the connections are there and definitely intentional.
It's implied that the old hunters were Laurance, Ludwig, Maria and Gherman. They were there the day the fishing hamlet was attacked because they were the ones doing it. The connection between KOS(aswell as the orphan) and Gherman is supposedly that Gherman had killed KOS. The people of the hamlet cursed all hunters to living an unending death in the Nightmare (this curse can be heard changed by Maria when entering the campaign, young Gherman after killing the Orphan and the people of the hamlet through ambient sound files). Obviously Gherman isn't in the Nightmare, likely due to the intervention of the moon presence however it's more than likely he will end up there after he is killed in the dream (he doesn't show up after he is killed in the campaign but it isn't clear if the player is supposed to circumvent the moon presence). Likely the Orphan becomes a representation of Gherman as he was when he killed KOS or actually is the Orphan that Gherman failed to kill in the past acting as his anguish in the Nightmare. This is of course a theory and an interpretation but it seems logically sound.
I see it as kind of like cross-pollination in flowers. The grief and tragedy of what happened to Kos and the inhabitants of the Fishing Hamlet, the regrets that Gehrman now holds and is haunted by are lingering on in the Hunter's Nightmare. Basically I believe the Orphan of Kos to be a representation of all of that negativity and regret and horror.
Gehrman raped Kos. Orphan of Kos is his bastard child. Uh duh.
@@tylerpimentel906 what's the evidence that Gherman killed Kos? I'm not a lore hunter and everything I know is 100% due to other people's hard work, but I've been under the impression Kos was dead on the shore before the hunters were sent to the Hamlet, and Kos cursed the hunters for what they did to the people there.
@@mykelmellen2378 Completing the DLC before defeating Mergo's Wetnurse and not exhausting Gherman's dialog. This leads to new dialog with the doll. She states that his nightmares have been soothed.
Edit: I tried looking for the clip, couldn't find it. Also not entirely sure about Gherman's dialog part of the requirements but you cannot defeat the Wetnurse otherwise Gherman moves to his arena.
Lance often delves into cut content and other reverse engineering he has a great channel. Alot of these topic on the iceburg are covered by The Snack Covenant I would reccomend checking them out.
Good group, those guys. Richard always bullying sin.
@@darkslayer1161you mean Sophie?
My man did an iceberg video only searching through the first link google returns
It's my first iceberg video. Gimme a break.
The Cleric Beast shortcut was cut because of PS4 streaming and loading issues.
FromSoftware had a lot of problems getting Bloodborne to run properly on the PS4 and one of the issues was Cathedral Ward wouldn’t have been installed and loaded in by the time you got to that part of the game. So they opted to cut it, to force players to go around the long way in. This was changed fairly late in the development because in the demo, that door did have the function active, but it was never used.
Yeah, I've seen the door hacked open and the abyss was on the other side
Yes! I kept pointing out that the amygdala portion of our brain is responsible for processing fear etc. Few others seemed to notice this connection.
Bloodborne content never gets old
“Nameless cainhurst knight” looks an awful lot like a banished knight from elden ring.
The gehrman and orphan relation.... its more than just the crying. The Doll has a unique dialogue about Gehrman after you kill the orphan. Similar to her unique dialogue about herself after killing lady Maria. Almost as if the orphan is some kind of dream version or reflection of gehrman somehow... although how it all makes sense or is connected is lost on me...
It's more the fact that Gehrman and other hunters participated in culling of fishing hamlet and death of Kos(heavily implied by description and location of Maria sword) which started the whole thing and is basically the reason a hunters nightmare exists-plane created by Orphan like Nightmare of Mensis exists until we meet Mergo and kill its wet nurse
It's because Gehrman raped Kos. Did we play the same game?
Surprisingly this iceberg didn't contain anything relating the doll to the frenzy things (forgot what they are called). I saw in a video ages ago that if you get a closer look, the doll's dress is very very similar and even had the same red bow on the front
I honestly thought it was common knowledge by now, that's why I never really mentioned it.
You mean the winter lanterns?
@@naitikgreyman Yes i think that is what they are called
The fact that this is the first FromSoftware iceberg I've seen is just weird
I remember hearing that in an early draft of bloodbornes story the player and lawrence were childhood friends and you go to yharnam to look for him, but they changed it early on in development. Pretty sure it was mentioned in one Lance Mcdonalds videos but I'm not certain
The reason the shortcut was cut was because it was too intense for the game to load both areas
It wasn't, because it has been restored in a mod and the areas load just fine. I think it was cut just because it was a pretty useless shortcut.
Damn you PS4! The reason why Dignity City is so small :(
The yharnam stone is a shop item, it keeps stuff unlocked from the bath messengers in subsequent playthroughs. It also symbolizes how difficult it is for great ones to be born as its mergos fetus
Great video! Nice to see more new people putting out Bloodborne content. Gonna check out your playthrough when I get a chance.
I am pretty sure that cut Annalisse dialogue was recorded by Evetta Muradasilova the voice actress of Lady Maria and the doll
I got the o flora voiceline in the most recent patch a few days ago
Well shit, in my 5 or so years of playing I've never heard it.
@@Pathulhu One thing to note is that you can't hear that if you accesed Old Hunters dlc since doll will stop praying at that grave.
Can confirm, I got it too on latest patch.
@@Pathulhu I've played it for 4 years with over 600 hours and have only heard it once ever. It genuinely creeped me out
Had to wade through a landscape of 40 second video's and V-tubers but i finaly found a Bloodborne video! Oh how i've missed you...
Good stuff! Cant believe i watched a 40 mins video of a game i played 4-5 years ago. Bloodborne is still the best ps4 game for me
in lake of mud you would fight the last form of moon presence - the big tentacle boss discovered by tomb prospectors , there are videos of ppl fighting it - it made its way to be the area for orpan of kos but without the wall
thank you for this video mate, i havent played the game since i completed the game and the dlc near the end of last year but i was very heavily invested into the lore of the game so i love videos like this that inform me of it. i hope you get more views mate, great video.
I’ve never understood people getting upset about the illogical layout of the environments in the Souls games. It’s never bothered me. They’re games where you can’t really trust reality. There are illusory walls, magical paintings, entering people’s dreams, etc. if the locations of Iron Keep and Earthen Peak don’t exactly make sense is it really that big of a deal?
I mean it’s definitely strange going up an elevator only to end up underground
@@STOPSYPHER I agree, but so is using a bone to travel to a bonfire or dropping random trinkets in a crow’s nest in exchange for weapons.
@Nick K meh
@Nick K ds2 is fun
Palebood is the blood of the moon. The first note of the game tells you about the longest and “complete” ending. It’s telling you to kill the moon presence.
Fun fact: Make contact is based on a real thing for guide with meeting intelligent alien life. Its said making a 90 degree angle will show other inteligent being that you re inteligent, sentient and meaning no harm. Considering that math and geometry is an universal language :)
YES OMUGOD IVE BEEN WAITING SO LONG FOR ONE OF THESE YOU ARE AMAZING THANK YOU
Yamamura is a Sekiro hint. Just as Chester was a Bloodborne hint.
Makes me think what sekiro character was hinting at elden ring 🤔
@@CaIebwithaK Probably none. Chester was from DLC and so was Yamamura. Sekiro didnt have any dlc.
@@ricklubbers7761 very good point. Although we won’t know for sure until elden rings release. Could be hiding in plain sight in base game or not at all
@@ricklubbers7761 yeah the point being that, while they work on new games they might make dlc's for the old games, and since sekiro has no dlc before the announcement of elden rings, there wouldn't be a hint in the game since they don't work on two games at the same time, probably?
That makes Armoured Warrior an Elden Ring hint then.
The make contact pose is a reference to the idea aliens could be communicated with through right angles. I think Vaati covered that actually
Excellent video! I like seeing people collectively share the missing insight in the comments. Feels like old times again haha.
Love bringing the community together haha
@@Pathulhu I'm also not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but Lance McDonald also figured out how to play as enemies in Bloodborne (by looking onto them and swapping places with a mod he made) and other such things. He basically has taken Bloodborne apart technically and done some great work with a noclip camera and whatnot. Interesting guy to look up if one has time.
Rom having some massive legs could have made the fight so much more engaging, allowing rom to have some much more threatening (and fun) attacks
Its crazy seeing the redgrave essay on this list, i remember reading that in high school! It was a great read and very informative! Highly recommend
So fellas, I've gotten a lot comments with differing view points and people pointing out the stuff I got wrong, so should I do an update video? Would you be interested with a video displaying differing theories and opinions? Let me know.
Would be cool.
Yes!
Yea
If you do make an update, make sure to correct yourself on the "O flora" voice line. I heard it yesterday but I forgot the circumstances that lead to it being triggered and didn't save a video clip, but I can confirm it's still in the game.
I'd watch it!
44:41 Quicksilver in the Spanish version is translated as "Mercurio", or mercury.
the slug farm is made our of parasytes that were inside of kos , kos killed herself on the beach ( by not breting air like normal fish) thus saving the population of the fishing hamlet from starving or bad luck
So she did a good thing for the people, and then the students of burgenwerth(don't remember the name clearly) came to take her blood and experiment on the poor people of the fishing hamlet, which is why she cursed them with the nightmare like the old great ones that cursed the thimarian(bad at remembering names) civilization and the blood they used, making them turn into beasts and anyone who uses their blood becomes a beast too
@@3bodYking99 yes
The claric best shortcut was intended to be used to return to oden chapel for Ellen's quest but there were visual glitches with loading the two areas so they added the elevator shortcut instead
The day one patch workshop note is referring to the abandoned workshop 1/3 of an umbilical cord description before the day 1 patch and it said “One of the heirlooms used to contact the Great Ones, originating in the child of the Vilebloods.
Long ago, in an encounter with the great ones, a contract was established, establishing the hunters and the hunters dream.”
in early version of the game you were friend of Lorence and went to yarnam with him , he awake early and left you a noe " seek paleblood " you would try to catch him discovering him as the bloodleting beast a step before the great secret - queen yarnam and her baby - yarnam people are just thumerians on the ground many generations later
Source?
@@markomiletic9992 just type bloodborne alfa story
bro said idk to literally everything
FINALLY SOMEONE MENTION THIS! He really just read the entry move on for every single one.
42:43 There is also cut dialogue from Micolash when he says “Father Norbert was terrible, but you probably saved him. I'll say thanks as his substitute. Umbasa.”
Despite you being a lot less informed on nearly everything, this video is just so much better in terms of aesthetic and voice.
The music in the background really works wonders.
To add onto the madman’s knowledge
It shows a slug for the celestial side of insight and beast fangs to show the beast side of insight
Eg gaining insight from seeing gascoinge transform
My theory about the orphan and Gerhman connection; for the first teaser of The old hunters, there is a brief shot of what looks like Gerhman walking through the hamlet, I think he likely had a hand in the “defilement” of the town while he was helping Byrgenwarth. Likely similar to how the hunter (you) take on the echoes of the great ones after you defeat Rom, Gehrman does a similar thing when he finds Kos.
But going a little deeper Gehrman only rarely shows up in the hunters dream with the Doll mentioning how he rarely shows himself, first time taking to Gehrman he even mentions Ludwig who we know is now a terrible beast, it could be that he isn’t forgetting the name but merely remembering what a horrible monster he’s become. Either way I think because of the curse cast on him and the hunters for their sins anytime Gehrman disappears he is sleeping and forced to become the orphan of Kos, having to also see the endless hunt that is the nightmare and see all the people he cared about, Laurence, Ludwig, and Maria in the horrible states because of him, while also symbolizing his loneliness,/abandonment as he continues to hope he’ll be unshackled. It is the hunter who ends up ending the nightmare and coming to rescue Gehrman.
Other theories: the eye of the blood drink hunter belongs to Valtr the leader of the confederates. He wears the bucket with only one hole as he tore out the eye and is hiding what is likely a blood drunk face, only desperately holding onto his humanity by focusing on the mission to squash vermin, he likely witnessed many of his former compatriots succumb to the blood and get swallowed into the nightmare (Yamamura for example), his hope is to find a worthy successor who can also end the nightmare thereby freeing him and all other hunters, once you proved yourself he is then swallowed by the nightmare as well, but with the eye you can now traverse into the nightmare in order to end it.
The eye can also belong to Simon as well seeing how he is always holding onto his head around the eye and wears a head bandage likely to hide the blood drunk eyes, perhaps he accidentally became blood drunk and forced into the nightmare.
I really like your hypothesis regarding the Eye of a Blood-drunk Hunter! My inclination would be for it to belong to Valtr, since as you mentioned, he seems to be clinging on to his ideals, but he has lost the ability to see vermin long ago, according to the Master's Iron Helm description, and thus, is very close to giving in to a blood drunk state. However, the Eye of a Blood-drunk Hunter is a "left eye" and the peep hole on the Master's Iron Helm/One-eyed Iron Helm is for the left eye.
Gehrman raped Kos. Orphan is the bastard child. No need to think too hard on it, that's how babies work after all.
super good video, only thing i'd suggest is adding timestamps to organize the levels of the iceberg for people who already know the first couple levels
Paleblood refers to the Moon Presence. It's pretty clear in the original Japanese, but was lost in localization.
I alway loved to think that Paleblood is an obscure concept that serves as motivation for player to uncover secrets rather than something tangible. For once I prefer English localization being more vague.
@@vanjaarsic1616 It's still not vague. Seek Paleblood to Transcend the Hunt, you kill Rom and unleash the Paleblood Moon, the Moon Presence is the closest Great One we find that resonates with the Moon, you kill MP and become a God transcending the hunt.
@@midnightmadness6344 Miyazaki said paleblood refers to the look of a pale dead body in an interview. Of course he could be trolling us, it always seemed to be a boring and unhelpful answer for its origins.
@@zippo504 You got a source? Honestly, for me there's just too much pointing at Moon Presence for her to not be the Paleblood which we seek.
@@midnightmadness6344 There is a note that somewhat associates the MP with paleblood.
"The nameless moon presence beckoned by Laurence and his associates. Paleblood."
Edit since I just learned something. The Hunters workshop umbilical cord refers to the MP as "pale moon".
Instead of an iceberg, it should be those spires/waystones in the fog sea of the Hunter's Dream.
8:24 this was actually confirmed in one of the official Bloodborne comics, specifically in the comic book "The Healing Thirst"
It's not a real iceberg video if you keep saying "I have no idea" or "go look it up"
That’s what I’m saying
I am leaving a like on this video solely because you didn't explain what an iceberg video was before starting the video.
I feel like iceberg videos are pretty common by now and they don't have to be explained every single time. I would assume you would catch on.
But also great video, I love bloodborne.
So the thing about the Hunter Rune, there are two things that should be pointed out about it. The first is that it's very clearly inspired by the curse mark from Berserk, for those not familiar with it, and second is that it's supposed to look like a hanged body. People and dead bodies used to be hung from trees by their legs and would have their hands tied. So it's less the body resembling the rune and more the fact the design of the rune was based on hanged bodies.
and if you take it apart it spells “blood” in lowercase
19:21 It is actually the player hunter since the original Japanese version of the note says it explicitly
From the mensis nightmare you can actually see the fishing hamlet below, the sunken ships rather
It's been 6 whole years since Bloodborne's premiere, and we didn't even get a 9th generation patch for it
But still it's my favourite game
Forever & true
I hope blue light does a remake someday.
@@bigfoot3866 Blue....light?