Just wanna note somethin that wasn't touched upon in this video: Vast majority of the hunters (as people are) were right-handed, and likely healed via blood vials to the right leg. Due to this, the beasthood seemed to creep up that leg first, where the blood was most prevalent. With the game hosting Lovecraftian horror, stupidity and the unknown are played for fear a lot. The hunters were ignorant. They believed that the blood crept up the right leg, and that the more blood you spilled the more monstrous of a beast you become. Both of these correspond to how much of the blood you've injected into that leg. The lesser hunters of Yharnam even constantly scream at you for being a beast, and try to kill you... despite them being beasts.
I couldnt believe my eyes when i read it lmao. All these videos he makes are all serious, and then if youre not paying attention youll miss the 1 second of video that has funny as fuck text that reads 'Git gud' 😂😂.
I just realised something. I know that the superstition about the beast blood creeping up the right leg sounds random, and tying a belt around it is just silly, but then, remember the animation for using blood vials. You inject yourself in the right leg.
Nah man, you lift your hand and then stab yourself on the leg, with some sort of injection device. There is a lot of muscles there and the skin is also pretty thick in that area, you would need some force to pierce cloth, skin and muscles and inject blood (also looks more dramatic). I don't think it's connected to the leg strap. It was located lower than where you stab yourself with the blood.
BlaQ Could be. Obviously it didn't work. Who knows? Maybe the first signs of the 'curse' appeared on that leg, and they didn't make the connections themselves, or they thought they didn't have to tie it too high, just that they needed to tie it, or amputate it above where it shows.
+VaatiVidya if you have good health, and your freny resist isn't ass then here are some other things -The tonsil stone looks similar to black cumin seeds -The game plot shares a lot with the theory of "cyclistic existence" (live die live mang) -it seems like a lot of the main game weapons are mixes of these human and beast hunting weapons , such as the burial blade being the most practical mix of the beasthunter saif and church pick (furthering the theory that the church spreads the scourge? always wondered why they do that to get beast blood and they kept yharnimites safe by exploiting foreigners as a source to make beasts? ) -probably the most disconcerting though, is how ludwig is a nightmare, and also literally a Knight-horse a nightmare kinght-mare....
+VaatiVidya Love your videos, just want to let you know that the hunched over posture that you point out as a recurring theme heavily resembles, at least to me, this sketch of Cthulhu by Lovecraft upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Cthulhu_sketch_by_Lovecraft.jpg
I think Gherman sleeping soundly after the Orphan being defeated is just because the horrific things he and Byrgenwerth did in that village have finally been put to rest, not because he is the Orphan or directly linked to it.
Yep. As shown in the trailer, Gehrman was there during the pillage. Sanctioned under Lawrence, Gehrman and Maria were sent out there to check on the rumors of the people who found and worship a great one. Maria was the one who ripped open the villagers' skulls to check for eyes (mad through insight) and Gehrman slaughtered the Orphan (mad through blood). The Hunters Nightmare was a walk through history where you reenacted what had happened that started this mess. Gehrman and Maria going mad is what started it all, causing the villagers to curse them and (possibly just coincidence) the Moon Presence answered and trapped them into a perpetual nightmare that never ends (aka The Hunters Curse). The story of Bloodborne is you breaking free from the curse by ingesting the umbilical cords to resist Great One influence and stand up to the puppeteer of this endless charade (The Moon Presence). Killing it not only free you but supplies you with enough insight and blood echoes to transcend into being a god of the cosmos yourself.
Imagine sitting in math class and towards the end of the lesson as you start to understand more and more of that algebra you just burst into blood and die.
i can tell youre a kid when you wrote this since you analogized cosmic understanding with simple ass algebra instead of quantum mechanics or something better lmao
Always found it trippy that Laurence’s beast skull can be found behind beast Amelia in the waking world while Laurence’s human skull can be found behind human Amelia in the nightmare
I have a theory, yes I know this comment is old but. What if the hunters nightmare reverses things like a mirror, since we can see Yharnum below in the water in the fishing Hamlet as well as any hunter that we find that becomes beast seems to end up being human in the Hunter's Nightmare but when they die human they become beast like Lawrence and Ludwig who both don't appear in the normal game which says that they most likely died as humans and became beast for whatever wrong doings they may have been cursed with.
not so sure but from the scene before the boss fight, I believe Lady Maria suicide by drinking down the poisoned wine lies left to her hand, than cut her wrist using the shattered glass of the picture's frame, this explains her paled face and dripping blood, some said what's on the picture was gryden. I don't think we see any evidence that maria is into gryden, but gryden is probably having some special emotion towards maria, that is above the relationship between teacher and student.
i like the detail of the "frenzy" in the video, is such a troll thing in the end, and i like that the frenzy bar is growing during all the video, and maybe, is a way to represent that as long as we get more knowlegde from the video, we get more crazy, and then we get frenetized
People have theorized that Frenzy is just what happens when you accumulate too much forbidden knowledge at once, like accumulating 40+ insight in one go, and it just drives you mad and shatters your brain, and since we got like 50 insights from this video so quickly it's as if we got Frenzy
Vaati: “shall I share with you the lore of this land?” *dies* Vaati: “oh, that was my fault. Please leave a bad player review on my name, so I may learn from my mistakes”
In a game about infants, evolution, and rebirth, the "Bloodborne shape" makes sense. It's the fetal position. It's also very much like the shape of a seahorse, which genus name is hippocampus, and the identically named organ in the brain has the same curled, hunched shape. Pretty neat catch!
A bottomless curse, a bottomless sea Source of all greatness, all things that be Listen for the baneful chants Weep with them, as one, in trance And weep with us, oh, weep with us... A bottomless curse, a bottomless sea Source of all greatness, all things that be I call to the bloodless, wherever they be Do you hear the sea? Call to the bloodless, wherever they be Fix your ears to hear our calls Ah, sweet child of Kos, returned to the ocean A bottomless curse, a bottomless sea accepting of all that there is... and can be
15:25 The piled stones are probably reference to the Japanese old lore of "Children's Limbo (賽の河原)". It was believed that dead children were forced to pile stones again and again along Sanzu River if they died before its mother and father died.
The symbolism doesn't work because Kos died before the Orphan. They are likely just cairns meant either to guide people into the village, or to memorialize the death of Kos.
@@Evan_Schaefering Was reading some ideas that the reason Gehrman feels at peace once the OoK is killed in the nightmare is because Gehrman was the one who took the child during the raising of the fishing hamlet. The chants you can hear do kind of sound like they say "A child taken". It could have been that the OoK in the waking world was taken from Kos and killed by the scholars before Kos herself died.
if she's in the nightmare, she probably got hungry for it at some point and that's why she threw her rakuyo away? if she's related to the queen then maybe she's a vileblood too actually so maybe that has an impact on the blood craving/how her use of blood impacts her? idk if that makes sense
@@septicember she is a comformed vile blood. But she hates that she is one. She succumbs to her desperation and in a last ditch effort to survive she uses her powers.
@@septicember She threw the Rakuyo away out of disgust for what happened in the Fishing Village. She is originally from Cainhurst yet has forsaken the vilebloods by aligning with the Healing Church and refusing to use her blood powers. She uses blood in her final phases out of desperation to stop you from discovering the Healing Churches dirty secret.
I love the use of the frenzy meter. At first I thought he had frenzy in game but just let it be. Now I think about it he used it as a meter for how much insight we learn throughout the video and finally peaks and kills him at the end. It's a nice touch.
It was revealed by a Reddit user (or some other site, don't remember which one it was) that Gehrman didn't lose his leg on a hunt that went out of hand, but he also didn't amputate it to stop from catching the beast scourge, either. It was actually taken by a Great One to bind him into service. This Great One, also known as the Moon Presence, does the same to your character if you killed Gehrman, but didn't meet the requirements to face off with the Moon Presence.
There are two absolutely key details some people missed that led to the creation of my own theory. #1: look at the way hunter's nightmare is spelled. The apostrophe comes before the s, making the word hunter singular. #2: when Gehrman makes the cry that the orphan does, Gerhman is ASLEEP. The dlc takes place in the nightmare, and every nightmare needs a host. So what if Kos's curse forced Gehrman to host a nightmare? It would be rather stupid to punish every living hunter because Gehrman could just recruit more. Look at the environments of the hunters nightmare as opposed to the nightmare of mensis. Micolash WILLINGLY hosted that nightmare, and everywhere in it is covered in eyes (considering he is a scholar, this is something he desires). Look at the hunters nightmare (supposedly Gehrman's nightmare. Its a hellish version of Yharnam, completely overrun by beasts. Thats the exact OPPOSITE of what a hunter wants, so condemning a hunter like Gehrman to a dream like this when he sleeps would be punishment enough. Gehrman is the first hunter, so maybe all of these beasts and all the blood in the nightmare show what Gehrman was dealing with at the start of the scourge, and hes forced to relive it whenever he sleeps. Thats why you see Gehrman walking into the hamlet in the dlc trailer. Everything in the nightmare takes place in the past, so the first hunter wouldve been around to witness it first hand. I have yet to figure out the orphan's connection with Gehrman, but if you look at the placenta it uses as a weapon, you can see a silver blade on the end of it like the burial blade. Also, when the orphan cries in the beginning of the fight, his mouth isnt open, so maybe Gehrman is the one crying, rather than the orphan. After killing then orphan and getting the nightmare slain message (effectively ending the nightmare) the doll tells you Gehrman is sleeping peacefully. If anyone has any info that can support or disprove my theory, please let me know
+Stephen Valenzano This makes sense to me. Also, if it is his nightmare, perhaps we are going through it -as- Gehrman, in a sense. As in those within the nightmare see us as Gehrman. This could explain why Maria reacts as she does to us, with the near-kissing and whatnot. But this is just a side possibility to what you're saying.
+Stephen Valenzano So this Means Gehrman was present the moment Kos was slain? And Lady Maria trying to tell Gehrman not to kill Kos, but did anyways. This also could mean that indeed the fishers of the village were in some kind of ascension of becoming Great Ones?
you my friend are on to something here i havent played the dlc i dont have a ps4 yet but i do have the game and i watch some of my favorite RUclipsrs play the dlc and i honestly believe the dlc is his nightmare and maybe just maybe i could be wrong and i probably am but when you see him sleeping in the garden and talking in his sleep he says he wants to be released and at the end starts to cry maybe playing through the whole dlc its actually that moment he is sleeping having the nightmare and at the end you hear him crying just like you do when you see him sleeping in the garden...idk thats what i think im probably wrong though cuz the doll does say any other night he would be restless sooo yea.
+Draco i have the disk :) i dont have the ps4 yet to play it hopefully this coming week ill get it but i have the game waiting and its killing me that i cant play it lol
All these years later and the attention to detail with every single thing from enemies, how they move, why they have certain weapons, why they're fighting you, their respective organizations, the rune symbols, the locations, the main characters. Everything has its place and purpose. It's unbelievable for a game thats mainly an action title. Other developers wish they could amass a fanbase like the one from software has built up one game at a time.
There's another insight; looking into the water in a certain part of the Fishing Hamlet, you can see the world below, including the Astral Clocktower and the tops of other tall buildings.
All of the nightmare realms are connected. The fishing hamlet is above the hunters nightmare. If you look to the horizon in the nightmare frontier you can see the tops of multiple ships,the same ships that can be seen at the edges of the fishing hamlet. and if you look to the skies in nightmare frontier you can also see the top of mergos loft.
@@heroicnerd6404 so if nightmare frontier is above fishing hamlet means why can't we see the sun or whatever that red thing in the sky in fishing hamlet frm nightmare Frontier
I bet you that Gherman was one of the hunters there that killed Kos and he doesn't sleep because of the guilt? maybe, putting the orphan to rest symbolically or perhaps through a cosmic connection eases Gherman.
@@ceral1871 No, they went there and killed Kos. That's literally what the plot is about lol, if not there would be no course for the Old Hunters. They killed and tortured Kos, and a curse was done upon them.
Curse the fiends, their children too, And their children, forever true, Curse here, curse there, A curse for he, and she, why care, A bottomless curse, bottomless sea, A source of all greatness, all things that be, Listen for the baneful chants, Weep with them as one in trance, And weep with us, oh weep with us, A call to the bloodless where ever they be, Do you hear the sea?
@@jojoenjoyer64 It's a clever little edit from Vaati. The meter is present through the whole video, and finally fills at the very end due to the amount of insight throughout
+VaatiVidya Good question -- probably not until after we've been through the entirety of the DLC in my lore playthrough. You might be having the same problem, but I'm not sure where one video will end and the next will begin. As you know, there's an unparalleled amount of new dialogue (for DLC, that is), and I'm still trying to figure out the best way to demarcate it all. In any case, I am certainly grateful to From/Sony for providing us with so much new content to work with! Thanks again for the kind words.
Something I learned about the shell-stacking (or rock-stacking) is that it’s a calming technique. Maybe the guy at the start of the fishing hamlet is trying to stay the madness away by doing this.
Something interesting about Bloodlickers as well: they appear in chalice dungeons feeding on the corpses of enemies you kill with a visceral attack. From a lore perspective, this may imply that they quite literally just appear where a large amount of blood is spilled. I'm not sure how else they could get so far down into the chalice dungeons so quickly.
Oh so THAT'S when they appear!? I've known for ages that "sometimes" a bloodlicker will have spawned in a dungeon while I'm backtracking, but I never knew why or what they were related to. Ill have to test this 🤔
I'm a little late to the party, but the yellow lightning of the Fishing Hamlet is likely a blessing of Kos, and they gave it a different colour from the blue darkbeast lightning so we could differentiate between them. When Orphan screams during the fight, the lightning that hits Kos' corpse is yellow as well.
I love the connection between the sea and the cosmos. The moon and its relation to our tides, the unfathomable creatures that still dwell there undiscovered. It's all linked and it all makes so much sense.
@@wyvernslayer4530 but analise dosen't have children, and María has a bloodbending so powerfull as the Queen Yharnam, maybe Yharnam was her distant related bye a cousin or something, because, even the cainhurst royalty dosen't have that kind of power, but a nerfed version of the corrupted blood of Yharnam. Maybe María was adopted by cainhurst.
just in case anyone thinks the gherman maria relationship sounds weird, remember that she killed herself young and that's why the doll and her look that way. Gherman lived on for decades more than her. They likely are very similar in age
It makes sense that the Amygdalas need something from each nightmare to take you there. If you consider that there are two lobes in your brain called the Amygdalas that play a role in memory.
Hey, if I remember neuroanatomy correctly, the amygdala is connected to the hippocampus (which is important to the memory function) and is sometimes refered to in public as the "fear center". Although I remember reading that it is more diverse than that (like all parts of the brain) and is more likely to be responsible for linking memories to emotions. Emotions are a huge part of memories. And there is no amygdala in our throat :D. Maybe he got the connection from the tonsile (definitley in our throat) stone we got.
I know I'm late to this but I just got into bloodborne and wow there is so much lore and hidden details in the game. Your videos are really helping me understand the story of this game alot more so thanks for that.
When you see, you truly realise how much effort FS put into this game, even then sadly most of it goes unnoticed, some true game devs. Thanks for this video.
To me when Maria does the viceral attack it doesn’t look like she’s whispering to you To me it look more like a remorseful goodbye as one might do to a loved one
But they're lumenflowers. While clearly based on sunflowers, we know that the phantasms feed on them so it's entirely possible they produce a scent that attracts space slugs. Maybe a moon-scent? Who knows.
Wow, I just noticed at 12:52 - Kos has a face! You can see it down the bottom. Never noticed that before, always just thought it was a faceless fish blob.
+Mr. Meeseeks: I went and had a closer look in-game. It's very strange, I wonder what Kos would look like if she was alive? Looks kind of humanoid, but closer to a mermaid or something. Extremely tall, like the royalty from Dark Souls. I wonder if anyone has done some concept art of alive-Kos.
Me whispering into high quality no background noise mic: ok everyone twelcome to episode 2367 of my asmr sires. lets begin. 'git gud' Thank you for joining me for this experience.
Those Slug like things look suspiciously like the thing you turn into in the Childhoods Beginning ending. These Kos Parasites could be the reason Byrgenwerth was so interested in this village, the inhabitants seem to have been fishing them for a long time and probably ate them which turned them into these fishpeople.
+MrFutago87 you can also relate those slugs in the ritual item found in byrgenwerth, the description said: Of the all the strange lifeforms that reside in the nooks and crannies of the old labyrinth, the slugs are clear signs of the left-behind Great Ones
Take a look at the shapes coming out of the skull in the Madman's Knowledge icon. The similarity surely can't be coincidence. If imbibing those slugs leads to greater insight and the villagers were eating them, maybe that's why Bergenwyrth went looking for "eyes on the inside" of the villagers?
6:30 - I'm pretty confident that Ludwig is wearing the Tomb Prospector garb, not the Executioner's garb (both look very similar, being a cool-toned grey with a black "banner" on the back). The best evidence for this is that the Radiant Sword Hunter Badge is directly connected to Ludwig, and unlocks his holy blade, rifle, and the Tomb Prospector set. Otherwise, he never mentions the Vilebloods or anything like that, and is evidently associated with the church hunters, so him being a labyrinth explorer wouldn't be strange.
@@Hiroyashy the reason gehrman is eased by the death of the orphan, i think, is because he was the one who abducted it on behalf of byrgenwerth during the tragedy of the fishing hamlet- AKA he is tied to the orphan due to his guilt for having basically kidnapped and tortured it, and killing its nightmare version gives him some peace
Anyone else just blown away by the amazing and interesting smallest details that I’m sure most players missed it’s just unreal and the lore and stories of blood borne are extremely fascinating. I recall spending hours researching the lore when the old hunters first released.
Or, you know, because most hunters are probably right handed ;). Though I could imagine that this is why the first symptoms of the beast curse appear at the right leg. Hence where the superstition stems from ,that the curse creeps up the right leg.
by the way, the doll says that she feels relieved of the weight of heavy shackles after you've killed lady maria, if you pay attention to maria's death animation you can see how she looks at her wrists as she falls on her knees, as if some shackles were removed
So here's a potential theory for you: Ebrietas is Kos' daughter. Ebrietas shows a lot of traits we see in the enemies around the Fishing Hamlet, particularly the tubes in the giants and her slug-like legs. She's the daughter of the 'Cosmos', or 'Kos'. Furthermore, she's praying at the Altar of Despair, which we know can bring back the dead by rewinding time. Given that Ebrietas is the 'left behind' Great One, I can't help but wonder if she was left behind in the Chalice Dungeons by Kos for some reason.
+IethargicAnarchist wasn't Ebrietas captured by the church, or they struck a deal/worshiped her in exchange for celestial power and insight into the eldritch truth, which in turn made all of the them crazy, they turned into the alien people (either willingly or through madness), as seen by the npc in that area.( side note: the beast in the area are church hunter cause not everyone in the church got their hand dirty) also i think i heard that they built the church around her/on top of here.
Maybe whenever Gerhman sleeps in the Hunter’s Dream, he was having a nightmare where he’s back in the fishing village, and that’s why he’s shown in the trailer for it.
I feel like we are living Gehrman's memories here. The "a corps should be left well enough alone" could pertain to his infatuation with her, and the fact that he made the doll after her death, in turn creating the answer to stopping the hunt.
I always saw it as a warning and a confession. Both a warning to leave her alone in her misery and guilt, and also a confession of her involvement with Kos and the fishing Hamlet. But I do like this interpretation too
I just noticed something, during the death animation of Maria, she tried to do the contact gesture like gherman but then, she looks her hands... Maybe she feels guilty about the fishing hamlet and the orphan, she see her hands covered in the blood of a inocent child.
@@gunargundarson1626 Maybe not, you won't believe the tiny little details Fromsoft put in, one time, an eye graved into sidewalk meant a whole lot of things, and that what @Giorno Giovanna said could be true,
@@ceral1871 No its not too far. I will be honest if it was almost any other game or company I would say it is too far but the amount of detail Fromsoft puts into their game is amazing.
Love your videos! This is one of my GOTYs and it's so much fun learning new things about it still. Thank you for putting the time and effort into making these videos! :D
Another interesting thing about the headless corpse hanging in the fishing hamlet is that it's posed to resemble the Hanged Man Tarot card. Which, in the upright position can symbolize wisdom, and inverted can symbolize selfishness. Both fitting the Hunters who sought the hamlet
6:28 It's interesting how Ludwig is an half horse, the horse is an important image in psychanalyse, psycology and study of dreams, the horse is literally our "inner primitive beast" our subconscious, Ludwig was tryng to fight his bestiality but unfortunately this is the resul...he is melt with his subconscious his only piece of humanity is his sword.
Yea I don't think he's half horse. If the long face is literally all you're basing it on, then that's a stretch cause literally nothing else of him is at all like a horse, not in form or structure. He's just a disfigured beast, his skull is also still apelike more than anything.
@@HiddenRealm Well, he has hooves if you pay attention in the cutscene. He also clomps his feet for a charge attack like a horse. He also makes a neighing sound like a horse when you speak to him after battle. It's also supposed to be a reference to the rape horse from Berserk. So, it's a horse.
@@sealofvileblood2467 There's literally no basis for that, but the Radiant Sword Hunter Badge (associated with Ludwig) claims that the Holy Blades (hunters who followed Ludwig) "are what remains of an ancient line of heroes that date back to a very early age of honor and chivalry." So it's possibly a reference to him being ancestrally related to knighthood, which assumes horses.
20:58 Vaati... what if the 'Orphan of Kos' isn't Kos' literal child. After all, if the "baby was stolen" (16:39), it doesn't make too much sense for one to crawl out. First of all, is there a different translation in Japanese of 'Orphan of Kos?' I have two theories, one that Gehrman was one of the people who attacked Kos and was consumed and presumed dead to be transformed by Kos' blood in a unique way. The other, and less likely one, is that (notice the striking human resemblence of Kos) Kos was the first successful transformation of a human into a God and Gehrman was the human...
ゴースの遺子 is the japanese title for the boss fight, and you can't get any other translation but orphan (literally posthumous child) out of the final part. Interestingly though, the japanese version of Kos is spelled with a G. The Kanji for orphan (遺子) is also archaic, though this might just be for the setting of the game.
Well, if the village is where the big lake is now then it may be that the hunters flooded the entire thing after they came and took the baby to cover up their crime and also to try and weaken the curse, since bodies of water dampen Great One power. The vengeful dead are all trapped in the Nightmare world, just like the scholars of Mensis, who are also dead in the real world but alive in the Nightmare. Just as Mergo was stillborn but survives in the nightmare so too does the Orphan as well. It was likely taken and killed for its brain eyes and Cord, which could be the very event being depicted on the surgical altar in the nightmare. The body on the alter is withered like the Orphan, the central surgeon is dressed in Byrgenwerth gear, and the Beast under the table may be a reference to how this is why they became cursed. We dont know of any other event the (obviously very significant) altar might be depicting and you have to ride it up to get to the section of the game that leads to Maria; who waits in eternal guilt over having been involved in the taking of the Orphan.
i havent looked at any of the replies, but i feel like the orphan was taken when he was a child in the real world, he wasnt in the dream, and thus we see the one we see.
dat guy Exactly, it seems that a version of the orphan was made in the nightmare when it formed after said orphan's death. Another example being micolash and Ludwig. However I've always wondered if both versions can exist at once, since it seems every example we have is where one version is dead in the waking world and the other alive in the nightmares.
Do you think it's possible that Gehrman was one of the hunters that took Kos's baby in the first place, and when you kill it and put its soul to rest it eases Gehrman guilt?
Yeah. The Orphan fights like a hunter. It has a cape and 'tricks' its weapon. Learning from the people who captured it? Maybe Gehrman's consciousness is trapped inside the dream-Orphan as a form of punishment, which explains the similarities.
Aidan MacLear No, you are both wrong. It's because the Old Hunters are cursed to the hunters nightmare when they die however Gehrmen was protected by the moon present which took him to the hunters dream but once Gehrmen leaves the dream, he will be taken to the nightmare.
I've always thought about about how he got his umbilical cord. Maybe because the orphan's finally put to rest gehrman is freed from his guilt. I might be pulling shit out my ass idk
If you think about it, I appears hat the old blood can cure death. Why else would coffins in yharnham need to be bound in chains and why would hunters execute those who have fallen to madness by draining their blood?
Super late but I think the bit about Gherman sleeping peacefully is more likely meant to imply that the Hunter's Nightmare was hosted in his mind. What better way to torture the fiends, their children too, than to make their own minds the host for the nightmare meant to embody their sins.
i believe that gherman was the one who went to the fishing hamlet and killed the orphan's mother and possibly also explains why maria who was known to be close to gherman was guarding the hamlet
I was playing around with the idea that geherman was the orphan. Kind of interesting but not very realistic. Its probably more logical to think he got his kin like abilities from experiments on the orphan.
+Jeikobu Dai-Ku It isn't that far fetched that he could be the orphan. Keep in mind that Gehrman is the first hunter. What if the healing church "hunters" went to the village, took the orphan, raised it to become a "true hunter", the first hunter, one with abilities that could combat the beasts, abilities only possible through being born of a great one. Gehrman does have superhuman abilities, having the ability of the old hunter bone within him. Maybe he also shared this power with those close to him, Maria etc.
+Josiah Vock I believe it was the Byrgenwerth scholars because the Accursed Brew item states that it was a skull harvested for eyes. The Healing church was focused on blood, Byrgenwerth focused on insight and I speculate that the Workshop Hunters were a mixture of both considering how both Blood Echoes and Insight are spent in the Hunter's Dream. I would love to hear +VaatiVidya thoughts on this theory
Fun idea, what if Gehrman and Orphan of Kos are actually the same person. The hunters nightmare may be Gehrman's nightmare, and Kos may be his "beast" form. Remember, the Moon Presence is what traps hunters in the hunters dream, at least to what I speculate/understand, but hunters can normally come and go as they please, proof because Eileen knew about the doll (check her dialogue to see for yourself) but Gehrman sleeps in the dream, and is only sleeping soundly (according to the doll) after you beat Orphan of Kos. Maybe Gehrman is actually the child of a great on, trapped in the hunters dream by the Moon Presence to end the nightmare his existence creates. If this is true, it could help find a reason why the Moon Presence keeps hunters alive using the dream. Further, and fun side note, eternal rest is referred to as death, so why is it we never see the baby that cries, but those that cry are not in the real world, and why is Gehrman the only human that sleeps during the night of the hunt? The nightmare may be his, the child taken my be him, and this idea could explain why it's name is "Orphan" or Kos. A baby unseen may be his true beast form, the Orphan of Kos his rage, and the dream being his captur, forbidding him from returning home.
I like the idea but personally I don’t think it’s true. 1) The fishing hamlet was a real place. Gehrman went there (with Lady Maria, under permission of the Healing Church) and tortured the corpse of Kos, killing the child inside. Like Mergo, being ripped from Queen Yharnam’s womb, the nightmare was created by the Orphan’s raw emotions to punish all hunters because of their sins against Kos, hence why Laurence and Ludwig are there. 2) Gehrman isn’t a Hunter anymore. The umbilical cord found in the Abandoned Old Workshop heavily implies the umbilical cord is what allowed Gehrman to contact the Moon Presence, meaning he was not in contact with Great Ones directly before this. 3) As said before, the Orphan is dead. Also not a beast, no-one turns into a great one from the beast plague. Rom did, but only specifically because of actions by Kos, as Micolash says, therefore Gehrman’s “beast form” cannot be the OoK 4) Gehrman sleeps in the dream because he’s stuck there. He lives within the dream because the moon presence binds him there, it’s why he offers to free you by killing you in the dream. “Only a true death will cure you now”, as Maria says. Gehrman even has dialogue pleading for Laurence to save him, because he has been trapped by a poor deal, which is perpetuated in the ending where you kill Gehrman and take his place, again showing his position is not tied to who he is, but rather what he’s done 5) We know why the Moon Presence created the dream. “Seek paleblood to transcend the hunt”, the MC is pursuing the Great Ones ( who leak pale blood ), the Moon Presence is perpetuating the Hunt. It is a Blood Moon that causes the plague to worsen, and it is this perpetual cycle of nights of hunt that lead to you killing so many Great Ones, because they want you to clean up their competition, and become a puppet for it to perpetuate this cycle and have dominion over the waking world. This is only broken if you resist it, where you can see it’s shock in its body language and it gets angry that you would dare resist it. This proves that it isn’t trying to maintain Gehrman for a hypothetical kin lineage 6) Gehrman can’t be born of a great one, for the children of great ones ALWAYS die, it seems like a curse, and is directly mentioned in the umbilical cord description. Mergo died when ripped from Yharnam’s womb, Orphan dies when the Hunters torture Kos’ washed up body, and you are destined to kill Arianna’s baby to gather the will to ascend. Therefore Gehrman can’t be a Great One Child. He is the surrogate the Moon Presence claimed, because of this very fact. And you take his place if you kill him, again showing an apathy to the identity of the person in charge of the hunter’s dream
Its likely it is oedon, but then again, oedon is pronounced "air-dun" by characters in the main game, but the way the fish villagers pronounce it is definitely odin
I reckon Gherman and Maria may have had a romance. But whatever happened in the Fishing Hamlet ripped them apart. Gherman created his doll to remember her, and she sits alone protecting the Hamlet with a smashed photograph (I'm guessing of Gherman) and a cup of blood. It's almost like she's become an alcoholic after a break up. But her alcohol is giving in to her vileblood heritage that she resisted for so long. Is it possible Gherman performed unspeakable acts of cruelty for Willem? Having seen him walking around there in the trailer, I'd guess so.
+hellsfoxes pretty sure Gerhman made the doll to remember Maria during the hunts. And when whatever Great One possessed it in the dream did so, and he realized its personality wasn't that of Maria, whom he held affection for, Gerhman came to dislike it. The doll became his caretaker instead of a surrogate lover, and The Doll became lonely. Enter the Good Hunter, who eventually became her child, which all Great Ones desire.
+Néstor Dinamarca but she doesnt seem like she's a crazy lady. what if she's an exception? what if she took it upon herself to guard the fishing hamlet from curious hunters? perhaps after so many years of acting as a caretaker for the patients in the research hall and a guardian for those who wanted to discover secrets, she couldnt take it anymore, so she took her own life.
I'm starting to believe that Gehrman was one of the hunters who killed mother Kos, that explains how he knew how to create his own dream, it links him perfectly to the old hunters and Maria, and it simply makes sense: after killing kos he realised what he had done and what hunters actually were (murdurers and blood crazed fiends), so after that he retired in the dream, then perhaps he created the doll to remind himself of his student who he had left behind.
That could be why he is cursed to stay in the dream forever. The player character essentially becomes the next Gehrman when being taken in by the moon presence. Maybe that's not only with the moon presence, but with any great one. Maybe the same thing happened with Kos and Gehrman
+Andres Gaggero someone mentioned in the comments that what we are experiencing are gherman's memories but in reverse like going back in time and another thing I'm pretty sure he didn't killed kos cuz she was already dead when she was washed on shore I think one of the items mentioned it
+Andres Gaggero Nah he just fucked Kos and got her ass pregnant. the Orphan is his bastard, Maria killed herself because of this (this is why she stabs herself in her fight and uses blood attacks despite supposedly hating them), Gehrman withdrew to his workshop out of shame and created the doll as a tribute to the woman he actually loved, the moon presence pitied him and created the dream for him to redeem himself by creating more hunters, hence the only way it is stopped is if you crush the umbilical cords of the Orphan (the only evidence left of his existence in Yharnam) and replace the Moon Presence. He sleeps soundly because his shame was put to rest. The Hunter's Nightmare is not a completely accurate depiction of the event that actually happened. That's why the places we have seen before look different and how things connect in an impossible way. Gehrman is also the host of this world and going in to defeat his nightmare helps him sleep.
17:17 How about "Oedon" instead of "Odin"? Is he involved in all of this? Perhaps he's the father of the Orphan of Kos? One of the Third Umbilical Cords explicitly mentions he had a child (though I thought it referred to Mergo). Then again, do Great Ones even abide by the same male/female rules for procreation we do? Come to think of it, how did Kos bear a child in the first place? I thought Great Ones had to use humans to bear their children, perhaps the Orphan isn't her child per se, but something else entirely and the "Orphan" title is merely symbolic? It is stated _every_ infant Great One has a Third Umbilical Cord too, and we literally see him being born yet he doesn't drop one... So many questions, and I don't have enough eyes u__u
The child of Oedon referenced in the umbilical cord text is Arianna's child, the one you have to kill to obtain that particular cord. I'm not sure what the Orphan is supposed to be, myself. It seems far too humanoid to be a Great One, and Kos may have already had a child (Ebrietas' title is "Daughter of the Cosmos", after all). Maybe the Orphan is some sort of human surrogate, although that raises the question of how we can see it being "born".
+Stick People Game Dudes It's largely speculated that Gherman is the Orphan's father. And also, there is a mountain of evidence leaning towards Oedon being the father of Mergo. The fact that he is known as "Formless Oedon", and the fact that you never actually "see" Mergo. Also the fact the Wet Nurse seems to an invisible being garbed in a cloak. When it comes to Gherman being the father of the Orphan, however, there's very little evidence. Other than the dialogue the Doll gives you, it's mostly speculation.
On the one hand, Gherman and the Orphan both have a parent/child relationship with a Great One...but on the other hand, we know Gherman liks picking up fair maidens, and Kos looked pretty nice in the face. Smooth lines to her body. So maybe Gherman's sin in the fishing village was that he met a pretty "mermaid" and they uh, got busy.
It's actually not a new theory. There is one that says Gherman raped Kos and that's why he's connected to the nightmare and is able to sleep when you kill the Orphan. He seems to be a bit of a perv with his "How to pick um fair maidens" and him letting you "use" the doll. There is also a theory that says Gherman is the Orphan and is trapped in the Hunter's Dream when awake but moves to the nightmare when asleep. It's only in the nightmare that he's crawling out of the corpse, but outside he was born before he killed his mother, because he had to as a hunter (similar to how we find Laurence's human skull in the nightmare but really it doesn't exist).
"Curse the fiends, their children too" is mentioned by a villager in their hut once the rain has stopped, and is also part of what is said at the start of the DLC.
These videos are so great. I just love watching them. Your voice and the music really fits the bloodborne atmosphere. I hope that I will able to donate to you soon.
Ok, so I know that this video is like 5 years old, but I had a thought regarding the fishing area and Japanese mythology. Namely, it is possible that the stacks of stones are related to a Japanese myth regarding the souls of children trapped at the Sanzu river, condemned to forever stack stones only for them to be toppled over. This could potentially make sense as inspiration for this stage given the motif of the "orphan" of kos Also, the level could be referencing Ebisu, a fisherman god and one of the gods of luck who was born from Hiruko, who apparently was born without bones (kinda like Kos maybe?). Though, this could all be me just going crazy since I really only came up with this because the stone stacking reminded me of Eika Ebisu from Touhou lol.
Bear in mind that the Bloodlickers of Cainhurst can also spawn within the chalice dungeons if a visceral is performed, likely drawn by the large amount of blood spilt. They are not restricted to Cainhurst castle by a special strain of blood at all, apparently.
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Just wanna note somethin that wasn't touched upon in this video:
Vast majority of the hunters (as people are) were right-handed, and likely healed via blood vials to the right leg. Due to this, the beasthood seemed to creep up that leg first, where the blood was most prevalent. With the game hosting Lovecraftian horror, stupidity and the unknown are played for fear a lot. The hunters were ignorant. They believed that the blood crept up the right leg, and that the more blood you spilled the more monstrous of a beast you become. Both of these correspond to how much of the blood you've injected into that leg. The lesser hunters of Yharnam even constantly scream at you for being a beast, and try to kill you... despite them being beasts.
yoooo nice find
i wanted to like this comment but it has 69 likes, i don't feel like taking that away
@@alessandrogallo2169 a respectable notion
In the old hunters DLC, a strap was tightened around the right leg to. Plus Gherman's right leg is cut off
@pbhtllt Nice connection.
"Whispering something in your ear"
"Git Gud"
I laughed hard.
i stopped the video just to look if there were people who mention this in the comments :D
AkachiTeam lol doing that now
Ridiculous xD
I couldnt believe my eyes when i read it lmao. All these videos he makes are all serious, and then if youre not paying attention youll miss the 1 second of video that has funny as fuck text that reads 'Git gud' 😂😂.
I think it was absolutely perfect.
"little shells, which are like little versions of the big shells"
To be fair, there are a bunch of kinds of shells. So it sounded to me that they are the same kind, only smaller.
+1 insight
"big shells which are like big versions of the little shells"
@ Lmao which is like lmao but with big L
Yes, the floor here is made out of floor.
"Odin?" More like Oeden, the Formless One.
Makes more sense.
Not oeden , oedon
Close enough
@@XesTube oedon, or some say oedonm
i heard orphan not odin
I just realised something. I know that the superstition about the beast blood creeping up the right leg sounds random, and tying a belt around it is just silly, but then, remember the animation for using blood vials. You inject yourself in the right leg.
It also why Gerhman is missing his leg.
You lift your hand up in the air and crush something tho.
Nah man, you lift your hand and then stab yourself on the leg, with some sort of injection device. There is a lot of muscles there and the skin is also pretty thick in that area, you would need some force to pierce cloth, skin and muscles and inject blood (also looks more dramatic).
I don't think it's connected to the leg strap. It was located lower than where you stab yourself with the blood.
BlaQ
Could be. Obviously it didn't work. Who knows? Maybe the first signs of the 'curse' appeared on that leg, and they didn't make the connections themselves, or they thought they didn't have to tie it too high, just that they needed to tie it, or amputate it above where it shows.
Flick But Gherman's leg is amputated below his knee (he's able to bend it).
I think it's too inconsistent to be related with one another.
"Look at the blood lickers you come across in the blood river" is the most hilariously Bloodborne sentence ever uttered.
So edgy
And they spit out poison blood
it could very easily double for a resident sentence too
Blood lickers, Blood River, blood.......fucking Blood
@@alastairstythe758 old blood new blood who gives a blood
FRENZY
oh man I was so excited to wake up and see this posted. I love your videos Vaati, thanks!
FUCKIN FRENZY, HOW DO THEY WORK!?
+VaatiVidya
if you have good health, and your freny resist isn't ass then here are some other things
-The tonsil stone looks similar to black cumin seeds
-The game plot shares a lot with the theory of "cyclistic existence" (live die live mang)
-it seems like a lot of the main game weapons are mixes of these human and beast hunting weapons , such as the burial blade being the most practical mix of the beasthunter saif and church pick
(furthering the theory that the church spreads the scourge? always wondered why they do that to get beast blood and they kept yharnimites safe by exploiting foreigners as a source to make beasts? )
-probably the most disconcerting though, is how ludwig is a nightmare, and also literally a Knight-horse
a nightmare kinght-mare....
+VaatiVidya Love your videos, just want to let you know that the hunched over posture that you point out as a recurring theme heavily resembles, at least to me, this sketch of Cthulhu by Lovecraft upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Cthulhu_sketch_by_Lovecraft.jpg
+VaatiVidya your great, just sayin
"...the little shells, which are like little versions of the big shells..."
Oh yeah. This is enlarged head time.
Big brains, which are like big versions of smol brains
enlarged head, which is like an enlarged version of a small head...
50 insight from that statement alone.
holy shit I'm 3 years late but what a stellar comment
'Drip, drop, drip, you got any brain fluid?'
I think Gherman sleeping soundly after the Orphan being defeated is just because the horrific things he and Byrgenwerth did in that village have finally been put to rest, not because he is the Orphan or directly linked to it.
Yep. As shown in the trailer, Gehrman was there during the pillage. Sanctioned under Lawrence, Gehrman and Maria were sent out there to check on the rumors of the people who found and worship a great one. Maria was the one who ripped open the villagers' skulls to check for eyes (mad through insight) and Gehrman slaughtered the Orphan (mad through blood). The Hunters Nightmare was a walk through history where you reenacted what had happened that started this mess. Gehrman and Maria going mad is what started it all, causing the villagers to curse them and (possibly just coincidence) the Moon Presence answered and trapped them into a perpetual nightmare that never ends (aka The Hunters Curse).
The story of Bloodborne is you breaking free from the curse by ingesting the umbilical cords to resist Great One influence and stand up to the puppeteer of this endless charade (The Moon Presence). Killing it not only free you but supplies you with enough insight and blood echoes to transcend into being a god of the cosmos yourself.
The only thing Gehrman pillaged in the Fishing Hamlet was Kos's sweet puss. It was Maria, Brador, and their goon squad that did her in.
Thats like the shortest, best explanation ever
Why are we ignoring the fact that they share the same crying sound and scythe like weapon
We aren't, the Orphan's his son
Imagine sitting in math class and towards the end of the lesson as you start to understand more and more of that algebra you just burst into blood and die.
Another reason to leave in the bloodborne universe
So here is what happened. Sat in math class and things started making sense. Looked outside the windo and i see 3 big cthulu mf's on the wall outside
No, actually, that's pretty accurate.
i can tell youre a kid when you wrote this since you analogized cosmic understanding with simple ass algebra instead of quantum mechanics or something better lmao
Either that or a really, REALLY dumb adult.
Always found it trippy that Laurence’s beast skull can be found behind beast Amelia in the waking world while Laurence’s human skull can be found behind human Amelia in the nightmare
I have a theory, yes I know this comment is old but.
What if the hunters nightmare reverses things like a mirror, since we can see Yharnum below in the water in the fishing Hamlet as well as any hunter that we find that becomes beast seems to end up being human in the Hunter's Nightmare but when they die human they become beast like Lawrence and Ludwig who both don't appear in the normal game which says that they most likely died as humans and became beast for whatever wrong doings they may have been cursed with.
@@grimmspecter9950Lawrences skull can be found in the beastly form though, and the very human old hunters bone is most likely Marias
The picture Maria has is from the fireplace in the hunters dream, there's clearly one missing
damn u right
It's little things like this that make this game my favorite.
could this be related to Lady Maria and Gehrman having a romance?
not so sure but from the scene before the boss fight, I believe Lady Maria suicide by drinking down the poisoned wine lies left to her hand, than cut her wrist using the shattered glass of the picture's frame, this explains her paled face and dripping blood, some said what's on the picture was gryden. I don't think we see any evidence that maria is into gryden, but gryden is probably having some special emotion towards maria, that is above the relationship between teacher and student.
sry gryden was gehrman, I used different language when playing bloodbrone, that is pronounce differently and I mix it up.
i like the detail of the "frenzy" in the video, is such a troll thing in the end, and i like that the frenzy bar is growing during all the video, and maybe, is a way to represent that as long as we get more knowlegde from the video, we get more crazy, and then we get frenetized
Oh really, it was planned? I only listened to it and now that I see the visuals I thought it was some strange bug action going on in the cutscenes
AH! That makes sense! LMAO It's also a really good idea for a Bloodborne video, in my opinion.
Didn't notice that, thought it was just a bug
People have theorized that Frenzy is just what happens when you accumulate too much forbidden knowledge at once, like accumulating 40+ insight in one go, and it just drives you mad and shatters your brain, and since we got like 50 insights from this video so quickly it's as if we got Frenzy
@@TheHothead101 Jesus, this game is s c a r y
Vaati: “shall I share with you the lore of this land?”
*dies*
Vaati: “oh, that was my fault. Please leave a bad player review on my name, so I may learn from my mistakes”
Nice happy souls reference m8
It’s not vaatividya, it’s maatamovie! But this comment does make me H A P P Y
I feel kinda bad now
Mushromus you should! He was just trying to tell us the lore of the land!
Death The Wrathsin happy souls
In a game about infants, evolution, and rebirth, the "Bloodborne shape" makes sense. It's the fetal position. It's also very much like the shape of a seahorse, which genus name is hippocampus, and the identically named organ in the brain has the same curled, hunched shape. Pretty neat catch!
I mean the game already has a track record of naming and referencing parts of the human brain so that checks out
I always thought that organ was called hippopothalamus (or something like that)
@@VERGILGASM still very similar atleast
This is a fine note.
@@VERGILGASM there is a hypothalamus and a hippocampus
A bottomless curse, a bottomless sea
Source of all greatness, all things that be
Listen for the baneful chants
Weep with them, as one, in trance
And weep with us, oh, weep with us...
A bottomless curse, a bottomless sea
Source of all greatness, all things that be
I call to the bloodless, wherever they be
Do you hear the sea?
Call to the bloodless, wherever they be
Fix your ears to hear our calls
Ah, sweet child of Kos, returned to the ocean
A bottomless curse, a bottomless sea
accepting of all that there is... and can be
Curse the fiends, their children too.
And their children, forever true
ok
That was awwsome
Dang
Modern Translation: Fuck them Byrgenwerths!
15:25 The piled stones are probably reference to the Japanese old lore of "Children's Limbo (賽の河原)". It was believed that dead children were forced to pile stones again and again along Sanzu River if they died before its mother and father died.
I always wondered why random rocks were piled up. +1 Insight
The symbolism doesn't work because Kos died before the Orphan. They are likely just cairns meant either to guide people into the village, or to memorialize the death of Kos.
@@Evan_Schaefering Was reading some ideas that the reason Gehrman feels at peace once the OoK is killed in the nightmare is because Gehrman was the one who took the child during the raising of the fishing hamlet. The chants you can hear do kind of sound like they say "A child taken". It could have been that the OoK in the waking world was taken from Kos and killed by the scholars before Kos herself died.
@@alonzoisasquare_5149 that makes sense because Kos is a great one and probably can’t die?
@@user-dt5my7cj1q pretty sure Kos is openly mentioned to be dead on a variety of occasions, even despite being a Great One.
Have you considered that the "Old hunter's bone" might actually be the remains of Gehrman's leg ?
Oh damn
@1C3_2020 ETHAN CHEE YU EN wait sorry i haven’t fought gehrman yet, why only phase two?
@1C3_2020 ETHAN CHEE YU EN what’s different about phase 3 i don’t know the fight?
@1C3_2020 ETHAN CHEE YU EN i thought it was Maria's bone tbh.
In the description of the bone, it says that the owner of the bone was an apprentice to Gehrman.
I think Maria using blood during the bossfight is more of an act of desperation. She really didn't want you to go through
if she's in the nightmare, she probably got hungry for it at some point and that's why she threw her rakuyo away? if she's related to the queen then maybe she's a vileblood too actually so maybe that has an impact on the blood craving/how her use of blood impacts her? idk if that makes sense
@@septicember she is a comformed vile blood. But she hates that she is one. She succumbs to her desperation and in a last ditch effort to survive she uses her powers.
I thought the same thing
@@septicember She threw the Rakuyo away out of disgust for what happened in the Fishing Village. She is originally from Cainhurst yet has forsaken the vilebloods by aligning with the Healing Church and refusing to use her blood powers.
She uses blood in her final phases out of desperation to stop you from discovering the Healing Churches dirty secret.
I love the use of the frenzy meter. At first I thought he had frenzy in game but just let it be. Now I think about it he used it as a meter for how much insight we learn throughout the video and finally peaks and kills him at the end. It's a nice touch.
It was revealed by a Reddit user (or some other site, don't remember which one it was) that Gehrman didn't lose his leg on a hunt that went out of hand, but he also didn't amputate it to stop from catching the beast scourge, either. It was actually taken by a Great One to bind him into service. This Great One, also known as the Moon Presence, does the same to your character if you killed Gehrman, but didn't meet the requirements to face off with the Moon Presence.
O: !! damn.
There are two absolutely key details some people missed that led to the creation of my own theory.
#1: look at the way hunter's nightmare is spelled. The apostrophe comes before the s, making the word hunter singular.
#2: when Gehrman makes the cry that the orphan does, Gerhman is ASLEEP.
The dlc takes place in the nightmare, and every nightmare needs a host. So what if Kos's curse forced Gehrman to host a nightmare? It would be rather stupid to punish every living hunter because Gehrman could just recruit more. Look at the environments of the hunters nightmare as opposed to the nightmare of mensis. Micolash WILLINGLY hosted that nightmare, and everywhere in it is covered in eyes (considering he is a scholar, this is something he desires). Look at the hunters nightmare (supposedly Gehrman's nightmare. Its a hellish version of Yharnam, completely overrun by beasts. Thats the exact OPPOSITE of what a hunter wants, so condemning a hunter like Gehrman to a dream like this when he sleeps would be punishment enough. Gehrman is the first hunter, so maybe all of these beasts and all the blood in the nightmare show what Gehrman was dealing with at the start of the scourge, and hes forced to relive it whenever he sleeps. Thats why you see Gehrman walking into the hamlet in the dlc trailer. Everything in the nightmare takes place in the past, so the first hunter wouldve been around to witness it first hand. I have yet to figure out the orphan's connection with Gehrman, but if you look at the placenta it uses as a weapon, you can see a silver blade on the end of it like the burial blade. Also, when the orphan cries in the beginning of the fight, his mouth isnt open, so maybe Gehrman is the one crying, rather than the orphan. After killing then orphan and getting the nightmare slain message (effectively ending the nightmare) the doll tells you Gehrman is sleeping peacefully. If anyone has any info that can support or disprove my theory, please let me know
+Stephen Valenzano This makes sense to me. Also, if it is his nightmare, perhaps we are going through it -as- Gehrman, in a sense. As in those within the nightmare see us as Gehrman. This could explain why Maria reacts as she does to us, with the near-kissing and whatnot. But this is just a side possibility to what you're saying.
+Stephen Valenzano So this Means Gehrman was present the moment Kos was slain? And Lady Maria trying to tell Gehrman not to kill Kos, but did anyways. This also could mean that indeed the fishers of the village were in some kind of ascension of becoming Great Ones?
+Luis Eduardo Heredia Torreblanca Having read the inspiration behind the fishing hamlet. They were ascending to at least kinhood with the Great ones.
you my friend are on to something here i havent played the dlc i dont have a ps4 yet but i do have the game and i watch some of my favorite RUclipsrs play the dlc and i honestly believe the dlc is his nightmare and maybe just maybe i could be wrong and i probably am but when you see him sleeping in the garden and talking in his sleep he says he wants to be released and at the end starts to cry maybe playing through the whole dlc its actually that moment he is sleeping having the nightmare and at the end you hear him crying just like you do when you see him sleeping in the garden...idk thats what i think im probably wrong though cuz the doll does say any other night he would be restless sooo yea.
+Draco i have the disk :) i dont have the ps4 yet to play it hopefully this coming week ill get it but i have the game waiting and its killing me that i cant play it lol
It's crazy how much detail From has put into this game.
This is the norm for fromsoft games.
All these years later and the attention to detail with every single thing from enemies, how they move, why they have certain weapons, why they're fighting you, their respective organizations, the rune symbols, the locations, the main characters. Everything has its place and purpose. It's unbelievable for a game thats mainly an action title. Other developers wish they could amass a fanbase like the one from software has built up one game at a time.
beautifully said
13:45 Maria is a rood dood
+Ciaran Higginbotham Cheers ciaran! :]
love you man keep up your good work☺
Maria is the doll who level up to you
and kos is chermen before you fight him you will hear the same cry the kos does while you fight him ☺
+SunlightBlade Git gud lol
"What chu' want with your cereal?"
"M I L K W E E D"
Good one
There's another insight; looking into the water in a certain part of the Fishing Hamlet, you can see the world below, including the Astral Clocktower and the tops of other tall buildings.
All of the nightmare realms are connected.
The fishing hamlet is above the hunters nightmare.
If you look to the horizon in the nightmare frontier you can see the tops of multiple ships,the same ships that can be seen at the edges of the fishing hamlet. and if you look to the skies in nightmare frontier you can also see the top of mergos loft.
What in the actual fuck is your profile picture sir?
@@flippero4918 oh thanks for pointing out the cute zebra
That's Central Yharnam
@@heroicnerd6404 so if nightmare frontier is above fishing hamlet means why can't we see the sun or whatever that red thing in the sky in fishing hamlet frm nightmare Frontier
I bet you that Gherman was one of the hunters there that killed Kos and he doesn't sleep because of the guilt? maybe, putting the orphan to rest symbolically or perhaps through a cosmic connection eases Gherman.
Kos was already dead when they went to the hamlet
@@ceral1871 No, they went there and killed Kos. That's literally what the plot is about lol, if not there would be no course for the Old Hunters. They killed and tortured Kos, and a curse was done upon them.
@@professionalsimpdestroyer4135 are you an idiot, the game legit says “the corpse of kos washed up on shore” read before you start arguments
@@professionalsimpdestroyer4135 pretty sure kos was dead beforehand, which was what prompted the hunters to come in the first place
@@professionalsimpdestroyer4135 here 6 months later to confirm you are indeed stupid.
Curse the fiends, their children too,
And their children, forever true,
Curse here, curse there,
A curse for he, and she, why care,
A bottomless curse, bottomless sea,
A source of all greatness, all things that be,
Listen for the baneful chants,
Weep with them as one in trance,
And weep with us, oh weep with us,
A call to the bloodless where ever they be,
Do you hear the sea?
Sounds like a genocidal person.
Never played the DLC so I was looking at the Frenzy meter at the top thinking "Jesus does this place have a continuous Frenzy going?"
no bro i played dlc its not have it this frenzy meter is just a bug or something bro
@@jojoenjoyer64 It's a clever little edit from Vaati. The meter is present through the whole video, and finally fills at the very end due to the amount of insight throughout
@@YaHomieCobalt okey man thanks
@@YaHomieCobalt Thats what i figured, at the start i thought Vaati was using some kind of weird mod that causes frenzy to build up or whatever.
Soo the brain motherfuckers are actually making you smarter?
Thanks for the shout-out, Vaati. Much appreciated.
+Aegon of Astora Quite overdue, glad for the opportunity. Also, new cinematic lore when?
+VaatiVidya
Good question -- probably not until after we've been through the entirety of the DLC in my lore playthrough. You might be having the same problem, but I'm not sure where one video will end and the next will begin. As you know, there's an unparalleled amount of new dialogue (for DLC, that is), and I'm still trying to figure out the best way to demarcate it all. In any case, I am certainly grateful to From/Sony for providing us with so much new content to work with!
Thanks again for the kind words.
+ApocalypeX Fuck off
+Joe bob He's got a point
+Aegon of Astora Really looking forward to the next lore vid, keep up the great work.
Hopefully you can get Redgrave on for a future episode again.
Something I learned about the shell-stacking (or rock-stacking) is that it’s a calming technique. Maybe the guy at the start of the fishing hamlet is trying to stay the madness away by doing this.
Something interesting about Bloodlickers as well: they appear in chalice dungeons feeding on the corpses of enemies you kill with a visceral attack. From a lore perspective, this may imply that they quite literally just appear where a large amount of blood is spilled. I'm not sure how else they could get so far down into the chalice dungeons so quickly.
so they're just like... the cockroaches of blood
*Gets papercut* Bloodlickers: *"bonjour"*
Oh so THAT'S when they appear!? I've known for ages that "sometimes" a bloodlicker will have spawned in a dungeon while I'm backtracking, but I never knew why or what they were related to.
Ill have to test this 🤔
Maybe they’re just hiding in the rafters and they pop down to gorge themselves on all the spilled blood lol
I'm a little late to the party, but the yellow lightning of the Fishing Hamlet is likely a blessing of Kos, and they gave it a different colour from the blue darkbeast lightning so we could differentiate between them. When Orphan screams during the fight, the lightning that hits Kos' corpse is yellow as well.
I love the connection between the sea and the cosmos. The moon and its relation to our tides, the unfathomable creatures that still dwell there undiscovered. It's all linked and it all makes so much sense.
When you look at the ocean on a calm day you can see the sky almost like a mirror image but warped and changed
"The stars and the ocean join as one"
"Odin???"
Oedon: *sitting right there*
*invisble dissapointment*
Are you ever going to hit us with a Maria Prepare to Cry?
Please do!
Unfortunately, no.
I hail from the future. No.
Sekiro boi
@@OrcistCleaver Friday reeeeeee
María saying "Git gud" killed me xD
Literally me too
Mario Andres Ballesteros
Well duh that’s her intention when she grabs you
Extremely late and no one would probably see it, but Maria's ost literally call her Analise's daughter.
Yeah shes related to annalise. But distantly. Stuff changes in these games
@@wyvernslayer4530 but analise dosen't have children, and María has a bloodbending so powerfull as the Queen Yharnam, maybe Yharnam was her distant related bye a cousin or something, because, even the cainhurst royalty dosen't have that kind of power, but a nerfed version of the corrupted blood of Yharnam.
Maybe María was adopted by cainhurst.
@@Kent_D_Nur no, maria might have been more like a cousin or something
Dont worrie, we have plenty of insight to see your comment
just in case anyone thinks the gherman maria relationship sounds weird, remember that she killed herself young and that's why the doll and her look that way. Gherman lived on for decades more than her. They likely are very similar in age
Maria was a student of Gehrman however. So there was likely some age discrepancy.
It makes sense that the Amygdalas need something from each nightmare to take you there. If you consider that there are two lobes in your brain called the Amygdalas that play a role in memory.
Hmm, never thought of it that way.
Amygdalas are also in our throat?
I don't think so?
Hey, if I remember neuroanatomy correctly, the amygdala is connected to the hippocampus (which is important to the memory function) and is sometimes refered to in public as the "fear center". Although I remember reading that it is more diverse than that (like all parts of the brain) and is more likely to be responsible for linking memories to emotions. Emotions are a huge part of memories. And there is no amygdala in our throat :D. Maybe he got the connection from the tonsile (definitley in our throat) stone we got.
Maybe it was because tonsil is amígdala or amygdale in languages such as portuguese, spanish and french
"I don't think I'll be able to string together another 15 insights"
*Proceeds to make 50 more a month later*
To be fair, that was before the DLC. The DLC exploded the amount of lore we had access to by a tremendous amount.
@@Alastarr1 that is true
I know I'm late to this but I just got into bloodborne and wow there is so much lore and hidden details in the game. Your videos are really helping me understand the story of this game alot more so thanks for that.
Years later I realise that Gherman probably got it on with an eldritch fish monster.
Yea, nuttin like nuttin inside great ones.
Or the doll
What? Are you insinuating he fucked Kos's dead body, or its child???
Dr. Alien he slipped inside like a slippin slide
No no no no noNONONONO
When you see, you truly realise how much effort FS put into this game, even then sadly most of it goes unnoticed, some true game devs. Thanks for this video.
To me when Maria does the viceral attack it doesn’t look like she’s whispering to you
To me it look more like a remorseful goodbye as one might do to a loved one
Fuckin lost it with the "git gud" lmaoooo
Carlos Acevedo Whispering sweet nothing in your ear
right when i saw that i loled and then went to the comments to see if others noticed
lmfao that was hilarious
im dead
Extra sad for Maria when you realize sunflowers don’t produce a sent like other flowers.
:( this ruined my night
Well Shit
But they're lumenflowers. While clearly based on sunflowers, we know that the phantasms feed on them so it's entirely possible they produce a scent that attracts space slugs. Maybe a moon-scent? Who knows.
Sunflowers smell like samurais
@@bananassaultable things like this are why i love the internet
Wow, I just noticed at 12:52 - Kos has a face! You can see it down the bottom. Never noticed that before, always just thought it was a faceless fish blob.
+Torgo Good catch. Also, very creepy looking.
+P0tatoPotato so, because we are watching this video, that means we watched all the others? no.
+Mr. Meeseeks: I went and had a closer look in-game. It's very strange, I wonder what Kos would look like if she was alive? Looks kind of humanoid, but closer to a mermaid or something. Extremely tall, like the royalty from Dark Souls. I wonder if anyone has done some concept art of alive-Kos.
Did you also notice how her face is covered by her flesh, like the Witch of Hemwick and the Eye Collectors?
I bet given how everything falls from the skies, Kos is the child Moon Presence lost. And that would explain the link to Gehrman as well.
16:50 that's some good quality asmr
lol
Me whispering into high quality no background noise mic: ok everyone twelcome to episode 2367 of my asmr sires. lets begin.
'git gud'
Thank you for joining me for this experience.
Those Slug like things look suspiciously like the thing you turn into in the Childhoods Beginning ending. These Kos Parasites could be the reason Byrgenwerth was so interested in this village, the inhabitants seem to have been fishing them for a long time and probably ate them which turned them into these fishpeople.
+MrFutago87 Oh and you mispronounced Innsmouth, just FYI.
+MrFutago87 you can also relate those slugs in the ritual item found in byrgenwerth, the description said:
Of the all the strange lifeforms that reside in the nooks and
crannies of the old labyrinth, the slugs are clear signs of the
left-behind Great Ones
Arsole ds GREAT OLD ONE POOP!
Take a look at the shapes coming out of the skull in the Madman's Knowledge icon. The similarity surely can't be coincidence. If imbibing those slugs leads to greater insight and the villagers were eating them, maybe that's why Bergenwyrth went looking for "eyes on the inside" of the villagers?
the slugs are called phantasms
6:30 - I'm pretty confident that Ludwig is wearing the Tomb Prospector garb, not the Executioner's garb (both look very similar, being a cool-toned grey with a black "banner" on the back).
The best evidence for this is that the Radiant Sword Hunter Badge is directly connected to Ludwig, and unlocks his holy blade, rifle, and the Tomb Prospector set. Otherwise, he never mentions the Vilebloods or anything like that, and is evidently associated with the church hunters, so him being a labyrinth explorer wouldn't be strange.
"Her baby, taken"
"The Great Ones lose their children, and yearn for a surrogate"
Hmmm...
Maria perhaps
@@GlueEater-ix9gl Wouldn't it be Gehrman, since he has a 'peaceful rest' after killing the Orphan?
@@Hiroyashy yes but Gehrman is most likely the moon presence's surrogate
@@Hiroyashy the reason gehrman is eased by the death of the orphan, i think, is because he was the one who abducted it on behalf of byrgenwerth during the tragedy of the fishing hamlet- AKA he is tied to the orphan due to his guilt for having basically kidnapped and tortured it, and killing its nightmare version gives him some peace
@@stuntfumbler Precisely my thoughts.
Anyone else just blown away by the amazing and interesting smallest details that I’m sure most players missed it’s just unreal and the lore and stories of blood borne are extremely fascinating. I recall spending hours researching the lore when the old hunters first released.
That explains why you inject Blood Vials into your right leg to regain HP.
that... actually makes sense õ-o
Or, you know, because most hunters are probably right handed ;).
Though I could imagine that this is why the first symptoms of the beast curse appear at the right leg. Hence where the superstition stems from ,that the curse creeps up the right leg.
oh i thought he was crushing them with his hand in a fist bump. that makes using like 3 in a row look cooler
Still doesn't explain why bathing in the blood of you enemies (the rally system) restores health.
@David Hong It's likely just invigorating. Hunters are known to get off on that shit.
by the way, the doll says that she feels relieved of the weight of heavy shackles after you've killed lady maria, if you pay attention to maria's death animation you can see how she looks at her wrists as she falls on her knees, as if some shackles were removed
So here's a potential theory for you: Ebrietas is Kos' daughter. Ebrietas shows a lot of traits we see in the enemies around the Fishing Hamlet, particularly the tubes in the giants and her slug-like legs. She's the daughter of the 'Cosmos', or 'Kos'. Furthermore, she's praying at the Altar of Despair, which we know can bring back the dead by rewinding time. Given that Ebrietas is the 'left behind' Great One, I can't help but wonder if she was left behind in the Chalice Dungeons by Kos for some reason.
Thats fucking stupid as hell I felt my braincells dying as I read that crap
+Sir Gus the Mighty You didn't have to be so rude about it.
Jeanine Candido ok sorry jeez
+IethargicAnarchist wasn't Ebrietas captured by the church, or they struck a deal/worshiped her in exchange for celestial power and insight into the eldritch truth, which in turn made all of the them crazy, they turned into the alien people (either willingly or through madness), as seen by the npc in that area.( side note: the beast in the area are church hunter cause not everyone in the church got their hand dirty) also i think i heard that they built the church around her/on top of here.
+Sir Gus the Mighty would you like to say why it's stupid or are you just going to be a degenerate?
I'm no master but the book, the bell, and the mask might be see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil
"Git gud" :'D
Best moment. lol
"Hail Hydra."
+PolarPhantom you mean I'A hydra.
"The Lannisters send their regards"
"this will teach you to eat my ramen again"
Maybe whenever Gerhman sleeps in the Hunter’s Dream, he was having a nightmare where he’s back in the fishing village, and that’s why he’s shown in the trailer for it.
I feel like we are living Gehrman's memories here. The "a corps should be left well enough alone" could pertain to his infatuation with her, and the fact that he made the doll after her death, in turn creating the answer to stopping the hunt.
Lore master
Yeah I always saw it as more metaphorical than literal.
I always saw it as a warning and a confession. Both a warning to leave her alone in her misery and guilt, and also a confession of her involvement with Kos and the fishing Hamlet. But I do like this interpretation too
kos is my favorite boss. not because his fight is epic but because he swings a jumbo shrimp at you
It's actually a placenta
KnightServos its a prawn, Not a shrimp.
Its not just disgusting birth placenta
ITS PLACENTA FULL OF FUCKING RAZOR BLADES
Joseph Waters For whatever reason, I absolutely *loved* the fight. Maybe I’m just insane
I'dRatherKillJohnLennon ThanToChangeMyAvatar bruh Martin Lawrence would be proud
Alright who forgot to bring any sedatives?
One of the whispers you heard said "Odin???" in the video. Well if you recall, there is the Great One called Formless Oedon.
But it's prounounce differently.
1nt9rn9t-Dude Willheim No, despite the spelling Oedon is still pronounced “OH-dinn”.
Listen to Gerhman's dialog about ascending to Oedon chapel and it is very clearly ERH-din. The lady says OH-din, not ERH-din
@Edgar Friendly yea but Eileen says Er-den as well
Chapel dweller, Eileen, and Gehrman pronounce it Ehr-din.
However, it could have been a voice actor saying it wrong.
It was ambient noise after all.
Maria and Gherman death animations... kinda look like "Make Contact"? One last attempt?
This is late but I was thinking the same thing
I’m late to this too but that came to mind as well. Interesting
Thought this as well
I thought the same.
same thought here
I just noticed something, during the death animation of Maria, she tried to do the contact gesture like gherman but then, she looks her hands... Maybe she feels guilty about the fishing hamlet and the orphan, she see her hands covered in the blood of a inocent child.
I Giorno Giovanna have a dream
Nope, you're overthinking it.
@@gunargundarson1626 Maybe not, you won't believe the tiny little details Fromsoft put in, one time, an eye graved into sidewalk meant a whole lot of things, and that what @Giorno Giovanna said could be true,
Your taking it too far it’s legit a 3 second death animation
@@ceral1871 No its not too far. I will be honest if it was almost any other game or company I would say it is too far but the amount of detail Fromsoft puts into their game is amazing.
"Oh, and one more thing, it's probably the most amazing thing that I disco-"
"a"
Lmno Hachikki Is VV just teasing?? WHAT IS IT
Vaati watches vtubers?
I really want to know what was next...
@@jaromvicencio it's killing me too.. hope he tells us soon..
Scared the shit outta me
I don't think that villager said 'Odin" rather the villager actually said "Oedon" it just makes more sense.
+Daisy Duke Fishron yeah that's what I thought as well
+Daisy Duke Fishron There's an annotation that corrects what he said.
+Levi Ackerman minglee lol
Ethan Briggs Kappa
+Daisy Duke Fishron Not really, if you listen when Gherman talks or if you
know your language, it's pronounced Erdin on Oodin.
It took me way too long to realize why the Frenzy meter was there.
+Mr. Creazil yeah, i thought that he just had a glitch where everything caused frenzy
I feel really dumb having to ask, but why is his frenzy meter up?
Reed Sims It's a progress bar for the video.
+Reed Sims For the final joke.
+Mr. CreazilI just got the joke, damn that's smart.
Love your videos! This is one of my GOTYs and it's so much fun learning new things about it still. Thank you for putting the time and effort into making these videos! :D
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Geomoist Dasher ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
Another interesting thing about the headless corpse hanging in the fishing hamlet is that it's posed to resemble the Hanged Man Tarot card. Which, in the upright position can symbolize wisdom, and inverted can symbolize selfishness. Both fitting the Hunters who sought the hamlet
If you notice the Gatling gun Hunter and Jorah are both guarding blood-starved beasts.
His name is Djura, by the way, but I don't hold it against you
6:28 It's interesting how Ludwig is an half horse, the horse is an important image in psychanalyse, psycology and study of dreams, the horse is literally our "inner primitive beast" our subconscious, Ludwig was tryng to fight his bestiality but unfortunately this is the resul...he is melt with his subconscious his only piece of humanity is his sword.
Yea I don't think he's half horse. If the long face is literally all you're basing it on, then that's a stretch cause literally nothing else of him is at all like a horse, not in form or structure. He's just a disfigured beast, his skull is also still apelike more than anything.
@@HiddenRealm Well, he has hooves if you pay attention in the cutscene. He also clomps his feet for a charge attack like a horse. He also makes a neighing sound like a horse when you speak to him after battle. It's also supposed to be a reference to the rape horse from Berserk. So, it's a horse.
He was riding his horse when he started to transform. He's literally half horse that's why he neighs.
@@sealofvileblood2467 There's literally no basis for that, but the Radiant Sword Hunter Badge (associated with Ludwig) claims that the Holy Blades (hunters who followed Ludwig) "are what remains of an ancient line of heroes that date back to a very early age of honor and chivalry." So it's possibly a reference to him being ancestrally related to knighthood, which assumes horses.
20:58 Vaati... what if the 'Orphan of Kos' isn't Kos' literal child. After all, if the "baby was stolen" (16:39), it doesn't make too much sense for one to crawl out. First of all, is there a different translation in Japanese of 'Orphan of Kos?' I have two theories, one that Gehrman was one of the people who attacked Kos and was consumed and presumed dead to be transformed by Kos' blood in a unique way. The other, and less likely one, is that (notice the striking human resemblence of Kos) Kos was the first successful transformation of a human into a God and Gehrman was the human...
ゴースの遺子 is the japanese title for the boss fight, and you can't get any other translation but orphan (literally posthumous child) out of the final part. Interestingly though, the japanese version of Kos is spelled with a G. The Kanji for orphan (遺子) is also archaic, though this might just be for the setting of the game.
Well, if the village is where the big lake is now then it may be that the hunters flooded the entire thing after they came and took the baby to cover up their crime and also to try and weaken the curse, since bodies of water dampen Great One power. The vengeful dead are all trapped in the Nightmare world, just like the scholars of Mensis, who are also dead in the real world but alive in the Nightmare. Just as Mergo was stillborn but survives in the nightmare so too does the Orphan as well. It was likely taken and killed for its brain eyes and Cord, which could be the very event being depicted on the surgical altar in the nightmare. The body on the alter is withered like the Orphan, the central surgeon is dressed in Byrgenwerth gear, and the Beast under the table may be a reference to how this is why they became cursed. We dont know of any other event the (obviously very significant) altar might be depicting and you have to ride it up to get to the section of the game that leads to Maria; who waits in eternal guilt over having been involved in the taking of the Orphan.
i havent looked at any of the replies, but i feel like the orphan was taken when he was a child in the real world, he wasnt in the dream, and thus we see the one we see.
i mean nightmare, sorry whoops
dat guy Exactly, it seems that a version of the orphan was made in the nightmare when it formed after said orphan's death. Another example being micolash and Ludwig. However I've always wondered if both versions can exist at once, since it seems every example we have is where one version is dead in the waking world and the other alive in the nightmares.
Thanks again Vatti for another wonderful lore video!
I want another Prepare to Cry ;-;
+ZombieOfun got some good ones ready
+VaatiVidya Like?
+SUNBREAKER MASTER RACE propably simon
+SUNBREAKER MASTER RACE propably simon
+VaatiVidya The NPC you see eating off a corpse in Forbidden woods is Simon i bet.
Do you think it's possible that Gehrman was one of the hunters that took Kos's baby in the first place, and when you kill it and put its soul to rest it eases Gehrman guilt?
Yeah. The Orphan fights like a hunter. It has a cape and 'tricks' its weapon. Learning from the people who captured it? Maybe Gehrman's consciousness is trapped inside the dream-Orphan as a form of punishment, which explains the similarities.
Aidan MacLear No, you are both wrong. It's because the Old Hunters are cursed to the hunters nightmare when they die however Gehrmen was protected by the moon present which took him to the hunters dream but once Gehrmen leaves the dream, he will be taken to the nightmare.
justin bieber Milton Well, Now I'm sad about getting one of the endings
I've always thought about about how he got his umbilical cord.
Maybe because the orphan's finally put to rest gehrman is freed from his guilt.
I might be pulling shit out my ass idk
If you think about it, I appears hat the old blood can cure death. Why else would coffins in yharnham need to be bound in chains and why would hunters execute those who have fallen to madness by draining their blood?
That*
+PanicGiraffe That explains the Cramped Casket enemies in Yahar'Gul
+PanicGiraffe ...oh holy crap.
Yami6692 I forgot about that line but it makes sense in this context.
+Bro Show Why are they so cramped!? Last time many are going to a discount funeral parlor, i'm sure.
Super late but I think the bit about Gherman sleeping peacefully is more likely meant to imply that the Hunter's Nightmare was hosted in his mind. What better way to torture the fiends, their children too, than to make their own minds the host for the nightmare meant to embody their sins.
i believe that gherman was the one who went to the fishing hamlet and killed the orphan's mother and possibly also explains why maria who was known to be close to gherman was guarding the hamlet
I was playing around with the idea that geherman was the orphan. Kind of interesting but not very realistic. Its probably more logical to think he got his kin like abilities from experiments on the orphan.
It would make sense because the trailer shows Ghermans model specifically walks to the fishing village.
+Jeikobu Dai-Ku Kin like abilities? I'm intrigued, please explain
+Jeikobu Dai-Ku It isn't that far fetched that he could be the orphan. Keep in mind that Gehrman is the first hunter. What if the healing church "hunters" went to the village, took the orphan, raised it to become a "true hunter", the first hunter, one with abilities that could combat the beasts, abilities only possible through being born of a great one. Gehrman does have superhuman abilities, having the ability of the old hunter bone within him. Maybe he also shared this power with those close to him, Maria etc.
+Josiah Vock I believe it was the Byrgenwerth scholars because the Accursed Brew item states that it was a skull harvested for eyes. The Healing church was focused on blood, Byrgenwerth focused on insight and I speculate that the Workshop Hunters were a mixture of both considering how both Blood Echoes and Insight are spent in the Hunter's Dream. I would love to hear +VaatiVidya thoughts on this theory
19:55 when trying to be badass goes wrong
XD
Gets fucking tackled by a giant shark man
Fun idea, what if Gehrman and Orphan of Kos are actually the same person. The hunters nightmare may be Gehrman's nightmare, and Kos may be his "beast" form. Remember, the Moon Presence is what traps hunters in the hunters dream, at least to what I speculate/understand, but hunters can normally come and go as they please, proof because Eileen knew about the doll (check her dialogue to see for yourself) but Gehrman sleeps in the dream, and is only sleeping soundly (according to the doll) after you beat Orphan of Kos. Maybe Gehrman is actually the child of a great on, trapped in the hunters dream by the Moon Presence to end the nightmare his existence creates. If this is true, it could help find a reason why the Moon Presence keeps hunters alive using the dream. Further, and fun side note, eternal rest is referred to as death, so why is it we never see the baby that cries, but those that cry are not in the real world, and why is Gehrman the only human that sleeps during the night of the hunt? The nightmare may be his, the child taken my be him, and this idea could explain why it's name is "Orphan" or Kos. A baby unseen may be his true beast form, the Orphan of Kos his rage, and the dream being his captur, forbidding him from returning home.
I like the idea but personally I don’t think it’s true.
1) The fishing hamlet was a real place. Gehrman went there (with Lady Maria, under permission of the Healing Church) and tortured the corpse of Kos, killing the child inside. Like Mergo, being ripped from Queen Yharnam’s womb, the nightmare was created by the Orphan’s raw emotions to punish all hunters because of their sins against Kos, hence why Laurence and Ludwig are there.
2) Gehrman isn’t a Hunter anymore. The umbilical cord found in the Abandoned Old Workshop heavily implies the umbilical cord is what allowed Gehrman to contact the Moon Presence, meaning he was not in contact with Great Ones directly before this.
3) As said before, the Orphan is dead. Also not a beast, no-one turns into a great one from the beast plague. Rom did, but only specifically because of actions by Kos, as Micolash says, therefore Gehrman’s “beast form” cannot be the OoK
4) Gehrman sleeps in the dream because he’s stuck there. He lives within the dream because the moon presence binds him there, it’s why he offers to free you by killing you in the dream. “Only a true death will cure you now”, as Maria says. Gehrman even has dialogue pleading for Laurence to save him, because he has been trapped by a poor deal, which is perpetuated in the ending where you kill Gehrman and take his place, again showing his position is not tied to who he is, but rather what he’s done
5) We know why the Moon Presence created the dream. “Seek paleblood to transcend the hunt”, the MC is pursuing the Great Ones ( who leak pale blood ), the Moon Presence is perpetuating the Hunt. It is a Blood Moon that causes the plague to worsen, and it is this perpetual cycle of nights of hunt that lead to you killing so many Great Ones, because they want you to clean up their competition, and become a puppet for it to perpetuate this cycle and have dominion over the waking world. This is only broken if you resist it, where you can see it’s shock in its body language and it gets angry that you would dare resist it. This proves that it isn’t trying to maintain Gehrman for a hypothetical kin lineage
6) Gehrman can’t be born of a great one, for the children of great ones ALWAYS die, it seems like a curse, and is directly mentioned in the umbilical cord description. Mergo died when ripped from Yharnam’s womb, Orphan dies when the Hunters torture Kos’ washed up body, and you are destined to kill Arianna’s baby to gather the will to ascend. Therefore Gehrman can’t be a Great One Child. He is the surrogate the Moon Presence claimed, because of this very fact. And you take his place if you kill him, again showing an apathy to the identity of the person in charge of the hunter’s dream
Vaat, how did you hear odin and didnt think it was actually Oedon XD you are awesome with this work man.
^
Read the annotation
Was lady Maria trying to Make contact? it looked similar!
During her death animation, one arm reaches up, but the other stretches to the side.
+Owen Diaram No clearly she is emulating the death of Solidus Snake. Duuuuhhhhh, any attentive player should have made this connection!
Just kidding.
Owen Diaram I was about to point that out too, it just seems odd that her arms stretch out like that.
17:17
I think that "Odin???" is referring to Oedon. Obvious, but still.
Read the annotation.
Oedipus not Odin I think... Both characters have a connection to eyes also but Oedipus more
Its likely it is oedon, but then again, oedon is pronounced "air-dun" by characters in the main game, but the way the fish villagers pronounce it is definitely odin
The fish casters might be casting lighting in a futile attempt to revive a dead snail girl
I reckon Gherman and Maria may have had a romance. But whatever happened in the Fishing Hamlet ripped them apart. Gherman created his doll to remember her, and she sits alone protecting the Hamlet with a smashed photograph (I'm guessing of Gherman) and a cup of blood. It's almost like she's become an alcoholic after a break up. But her alcohol is giving in to her vileblood heritage that she resisted for so long.
Is it possible Gherman performed unspeakable acts of cruelty for Willem? Having seen him walking around there in the trailer, I'd guess so.
+hellsfoxes i thought that she was gehrmans apprentice but either way she has a lot of reason to hate him if hes responsible for all of that
+hellsfoxes Perhaps it was Gerhman who killed Kos.
They did it is stated that she did not know he loved her and had "affection" for her. This the doll was created.
+hellsfoxes pretty sure Gerhman made the doll to remember Maria during the hunts. And when whatever Great One possessed it in the dream did so, and he realized its personality wasn't that of Maria, whom he held affection for, Gerhman came to dislike it. The doll became his caretaker instead of a surrogate lover, and The Doll became lonely. Enter the Good Hunter, who eventually became her child, which all Great Ones desire.
+Néstor Dinamarca but she doesnt seem like she's a crazy lady. what if she's an exception? what if she took it upon herself to guard the fishing hamlet from curious hunters? perhaps after so many years of acting as a caretaker for the patients in the research hall and a guardian for those who wanted to discover secrets, she couldnt take it anymore, so she took her own life.
I'm starting to believe that Gehrman was one of the hunters who killed mother Kos, that explains how he knew how to create his own dream, it links him perfectly to the old hunters and Maria, and it simply makes sense: after killing kos he realised what he had done and what hunters actually were (murdurers and blood crazed fiends), so after that he retired in the dream, then perhaps he created the doll to remind himself of his student who he had left behind.
Yup, Gerhman killed Kos, that's why he was curse with the nightmare where her orphan child fed upon it (Simon had said about this)
Heru Affandy did he? Wow, I never actually took that guy seriously till I realized who he was... but by that point he was already dead
That could be why he is cursed to stay in the dream forever. The player character essentially becomes the next Gehrman when being taken in by the moon presence. Maybe that's not only with the moon presence, but with any great one. Maybe the same thing happened with Kos and Gehrman
+Andres Gaggero someone mentioned in the comments that what we are experiencing are gherman's memories but in reverse like going back in time and another thing I'm pretty sure he didn't killed kos cuz she was already dead when she was washed on shore I think one of the items mentioned it
+Andres Gaggero Nah he just fucked Kos and got her ass pregnant. the Orphan is his bastard, Maria killed herself because of this (this is why she stabs herself in her fight and uses blood attacks despite supposedly hating them), Gehrman withdrew to his workshop out of shame and created the doll as a tribute to the woman he actually loved, the moon presence pitied him and created the dream for him to redeem himself by creating more hunters, hence the only way it is stopped is if you crush the umbilical cords of the Orphan (the only evidence left of his existence in Yharnam) and replace the Moon Presence. He sleeps soundly because his shame was put to rest. The Hunter's Nightmare is not a completely accurate depiction of the event that actually happened. That's why the places we have seen before look different and how things connect in an impossible way. Gehrman is also the host of this world and going in to defeat his nightmare helps him sleep.
13:54 Oh my god that was amazing
Reporting a man desides to roll in a bathtub full of blood he screams "vitality build"
17:17 How about "Oedon" instead of "Odin"? Is he involved in all of this? Perhaps he's the father of the Orphan of Kos? One of the Third Umbilical Cords explicitly mentions he had a child (though I thought it referred to Mergo).
Then again, do Great Ones even abide by the same male/female rules for procreation we do? Come to think of it, how did Kos bear a child in the first place? I thought Great Ones had to use humans to bear their children, perhaps the Orphan isn't her child per se, but something else entirely and the "Orphan" title is merely symbolic? It is stated _every_ infant Great One has a Third Umbilical Cord too, and we literally see him being born yet he doesn't drop one...
So many questions, and I don't have enough eyes u__u
Maybe the child birthing process for great ones is some form of reincarnation? Renewing their physical forms with a new child?
The child of Oedon referenced in the umbilical cord text is Arianna's child, the one you have to kill to obtain that particular cord.
I'm not sure what the Orphan is supposed to be, myself. It seems far too humanoid to be a Great One, and Kos may have already had a child (Ebrietas' title is "Daughter of the Cosmos", after all). Maybe the Orphan is some sort of human surrogate, although that raises the question of how we can see it being "born".
+Stick People Game Dudes take a look at my theory, u seem to have a lot of insight...
+Stick People Game Dudes It's largely speculated that Gherman is the Orphan's father. And also, there is a mountain of evidence leaning towards Oedon being the father of Mergo.
The fact that he is known as "Formless Oedon", and the fact that you never actually "see" Mergo. Also the fact the Wet Nurse seems to an invisible being garbed in a cloak.
When it comes to Gherman being the father of the Orphan, however, there's very little evidence. Other than the dialogue the Doll gives you, it's mostly speculation.
+Stick People Game Dudes The achievement text for beating the Orphan refers to it as a Great One.
that ending; Frenzyzoned again
+alexmw62Animug rofl frenzyzoned
On the one hand, Gherman and the Orphan both have a parent/child relationship with a Great One...but on the other hand, we know Gherman liks picking up fair maidens, and Kos looked pretty nice in the face. Smooth lines to her body.
So maybe Gherman's sin in the fishing village was that he met a pretty "mermaid" and they uh, got busy.
This is the best theory for Bloodborne I've ever seen.
It's actually not a new theory. There is one that says Gherman raped Kos and that's why he's connected to the nightmare and is able to sleep when you kill the Orphan. He seems to be a bit of a perv with his "How to pick um fair maidens" and him letting you "use" the doll.
There is also a theory that says Gherman is the Orphan and is trapped in the Hunter's Dream when awake but moves to the nightmare when asleep. It's only in the nightmare that he's crawling out of the corpse, but outside he was born before he killed his mother, because he had to as a hunter (similar to how we find Laurence's human skull in the nightmare but really it doesn't exist).
eurologic She saw right through me :(
No wonder why the oprhan looks like Gherman...
@@B1aQQ wow... That's... A very good theory, it makes sense.
"Curse the fiends, their children too" is mentioned by a villager in their hut once the rain has stopped, and is also part of what is said at the start of the DLC.
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DAMN!VALTR LOOKS SO FABULOUS WITHOUT THE HELM!
Was I the only one who heard "butt lickers" instead of "blood lickers?"
2:48 "look at the butt lickers you come across in the blood river."
I now want a mod for Bloodbourne where blood is replaced with butt. Butt echoes, coldbutt dews, the old butt. . . .Genius!
Noobie2k7 -- "Fear the old butt!"
The queen of the vilebutts
Alan Jay seek the palebutt to transcend the hunt
SugaAroha we must kill the Buttstarved Beast.
Ok, so I know that this video is like 5 years old, but I had a thought regarding the fishing area and Japanese mythology.
Namely, it is possible that the stacks of stones are related to a Japanese myth regarding the souls of children trapped at the Sanzu river, condemned to forever stack stones only for them to be toppled over. This could potentially make sense as inspiration for this stage given the motif of the "orphan" of kos
Also, the level could be referencing Ebisu, a fisherman god and one of the gods of luck who was born from Hiruko, who apparently was born without bones (kinda like Kos maybe?).
Though, this could all be me just going crazy since I really only came up with this because the stone stacking reminded me of Eika Ebisu from Touhou lol.
Bear in mind that the Bloodlickers of Cainhurst can also spawn within the chalice dungeons if a visceral is performed, likely drawn by the large amount of blood spilt. They are not restricted to Cainhurst castle by a special strain of blood at all, apparently.
the second "Kos" is actually "Kosm," she just takes forever to add the "m" at the end.