Dark Souls 3 ► Lore of the Optional Bosses
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00:00 - The Nameless King
12:14 - Oceiros, the Consumed King
21:14 - Old Demon King
24:14 - Curse-rotted Greatwood
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Havel: One of the buffest dudes in Dark Souls who slayed dragons, was locked in a basement with all his weapons and armor and could not break down a wooden door.
Not really. He can't leave at all. Even when you open the door. He'll just go up to the door and then de-aggro and go back to his spot.
@@dr.calibrations7984 maybe he's just too thicc to get through the doorway
@@philodendron1269 he was, you could cheese him by aggroing him to come to the door and then shoot him with a bow
fatty fatty 2x4...
@@paarthurwax2522 Literally did that all the time so I could wear decent armor without fatrolling in the early game.
gwyn = daughter you can sleep with a dragon
NK= dad can I have a pet dragon
gwyn= you disgrace ..
Gwyn = I have no son.
Gwyn: 'If you have a baby with it you'd better hide it somewhere real good though. Get Velka to help you out she's hidden all sorts of weird s**t for me, she knows this painter who takes care of business. Nobody has to know about all those filthy, filthy wheel skeletons or that monk that wears a bathrobe on his head'
Gwyn = What son? i have none look at my famous statues oh wait....
Actually - Judging from the Sunlight Blade description (Saying that he left this miracle as a final farewell on his fathers coffin) we can safely assume it wasn't Gwyn who stripped Nameless King of his deific status, as he was most likely a hollow at that point.
gwynevere never had a baby with that pale dragon. in Dk1 she's married with flame God Flann
"Havel was brave dragon slayer who never flinched" - well obiviously he is the master of poise afterall
barmocha7 just not in ds3 when we encounter him(or is that someone else wearing his gear?)
He also killed a dragon with his bare hands the same one that he stole his tooth hammer from
Does that mean tsorig was one of havels l knights?
I made him flinch in all the games I just punched him enough XD
I believe you mean he IS poise
*Daughter gets smashed by a mad dragon with crystal powers*
Gwyn: i sleep
*Son likes dragons*
Gwyn: R E A L S H I T
Lmao
thrusting required ahead
I mean, the crazy dragon was his boy... His son was into the dragons of the other side.
Its like, his son is a blood who is dating a crib.
@@blvalverde nah its cus gwyn liked his son, he built statues of him too, most evidence points to the people that destroyed his statues everywhere was the way of white or something, long after gwyns rule faded
"Seath is hammering your daughter!"
"ENOUGH! I'll set fire to myself!"
Oceiros: I love my child
Also oceiros: *grabs ocelot* YEET
Guess we've all watched it
Simply Drug Addict how’s the drugs? Try any meth?
like alinity
Slam dunks hanging off rim oceloooot!!!
You don't have the power I wanted you to have! YEET
Judging by Gwyn's horrible name choices i can garantee his name started with Gwyn
Gwynvahkiin
Gwynsolaire then
Gwynathyn
its faraam
Gwynfaraam
*Ornstein Returning from the Bath:* "...I could have sworn I left my armor _right here..."_
Ah thats good
The unbreakable patches strikes again
You know, it just sprang to mind that Oceiros's queen might have just taken Ocelot and left the blind dragon king with an illusion of their child. One focused on touch, smell and sound rather than sight.
Plot Twist: Seath is actually Ocelotte. Blah blah the flow of time is convoluted blah
I kind of agree with this theory. I think his wife left with the child because Oceiros had gone insane. He was an abusive father and husband and she ran away with the kid.
@@executioner_ecgbert884 Certainly possible, but considering the amount of time involved... It makes me suspect a long game. A deific bride trying to make something akin to crossbreed Priscilla?
If Seth and gwynevere were lovers maybe their souls reunited thru time.
I suspect Yorshka is Ocelotte. After all, how many dragon crossbreeds are there knocking around? Where did Gwyndolin even find a spare crossbreed? And he's already got precedence for excellent illusions and boys raised as daughters.
*First playthrough:* Oh shit a castle! Oh shit a fire dude! Oh shit a black ooze dude!
*Discover Vaati:* *500 pages of backstory behind everything from the burnt toilet paper on the floor to what hollow soldiers eat for breakfast.*
that's nothing. PlagueOfGripes literally established when Undead Burg in DS1 was plagued by the undead curse by looking at bricks. Also about 40 one hour or more videos about ds1
Sara Trawnik - Is that from Plague's really long playthrough of the game? I haven't watched it yet, but that sounds intriguing
i got legit no idea what was he talking about. i thought everything was for shit and giggles..
black ooze dude is my favorite
you suck lol
"He ate my waifu so I ended his laifu"
That's biblical
Jesus himself said it
Waifu? You mean husbando?
@@javadnps8218 a waifu from the back.
What a legend poem XD
*In Alfie Solomons voice: It was fauckin biblical, mate!
So if Gwynevere was the queen of lothric, then that means she’s been with both seath and oceiros... I guess she’s just really into dragons?
Gwynevere is the goddess of fertility - so she had lots and lots of babies. Half-breeds abound! Vaati didn't even touch on "Gertrude, the Heavenly Daughter" who was a feathered(?) child of Gwynevere. Her corpse(?) was trapped in that cage above the grand archives with all the feathers plucked out (Source: Divine Pillars of Light - Grand Archives). I wish he'd do a video on that lore; I'm quite curious about it.
Regardless of how into dragons she was, it can definitely be said that a lot of dragons were in her ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@@rogen8094 didn't he already make a video about the angels in lothric?
It's like when a girl with an openly-racist dad has a thing for black guys.
The Seath thing was maybe against her own will and for "political" reasons (as reward for aiding Gwyn against the other dragons) and Oceiros was a normal human before he turned into his "dragon" form, so I doubt it tbh
The reason Ocelot is "invisible" is actually kinda dark. In an early version of the game, the character model was actually there, but From decided that a deranged half dragon smashing a baby into the ground was a bit to brutal, so they removed the model and all the sound files related to said smashing. Don't think you can find the video, but the sound files are floating around.
But From decided it's aight to have a little girl jump out a window and kill herself and also killing a baby great one to get its umbilical cord
I don't think that's too brutal for Fromsoft. It's more likely that they removed it because having children harmed onscreen would get your game banned in lots of countries.
@@lekhaclam87 thats what too brutal means lol
@@buckyhurdle4776 Not as brutal as being eaten alive slowly by a black sludge. Besides, the kid is a dragon hybrid. I'm sure he can survive worse.
Ocelotte isn't invisible. There is nothing in Oceiros's hand.
"OCELOOOOOT"
"SNAAAAAAAAAKE"
Metal Gear !
Second Floor basement?
LIQUID!!!
SOLIDUS!!!
psycho mantis?
I G N O R A N T S L A V E S
"I think you've got the wrong door, the Undead club's two blocks down."
Y E E T
OCELOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!
@@Lernos1 "Fuck you."
F I N A L L Y N O T I C E D , H A V E Y O U ?
One of my favorite cutscenes is when we fell The King of the Storm. The slight shake of hesitation before The Nameless King kills his mount and long time friend was heartbreaking.
Right, especially with the Mad King I wanted say, "you know what dude, I'll just pass by if thats cool with you. Keep doing your thing."
I noticed that, it was really sad kind of
It makes me think about how much trust there must be between The Nameless king and The king of Storms. The king will constantly use attacks that are imbued with lightning, often striking near the dragons head, and yet they fight together beautifully
Since it is a storm drake it might be a bit more resistant to lightning then the rest of dragon kind
@@zalanmarkus4939not really, it has worse lightning resistances than midir and midir should've been destroyed by a sunlight spear
Yeah that's really interesting. Well spotted, love that detail
R. I. P Ocelot
Age of Fire - Age of Fire
He was crushed to the ground by his father
Age of Fire - Age of Fire had me weak
Maciek Pultyn him and his dad did not *see* eye to eye
He survived and went into hiding while invisible to the player
@@iRandom_Thoughts Squish.
Random Thoughts Incorrect, he used a young white branch
no way a gwyn would name one of his kids "faraam", his name is probably gwyndor or gwyndel or something GWYN
Gwyndarock
Isn’t Filianore the final daughter of Gwyn tho?
he finally got some creativity
Gwynsen. "Sen's fortress"
Gywnsun-son
the voice acting for Oceiros is phenomenal, for some reason he's my favorite boss. His tragic story and the boss fight music are so melancholic.
He’s fucking terrifying I dreaded that fight on my 2nd run today. His voice acting is really good but the character is horrifying,
Tbh, who even has bad voice acting in ds3? I think they all did beautiful jobs with the voices
He sounds a little like Benedict Cumberbatch
The Old Demon King is an underrated boss, I love the arena, his lore and that his last 10% health he loses his strength and can barely fight. A small detail almost everyone would miss because you're probably gonna kill him immediately as it happens
Recently played DS3 for the first time
Got to see a lot of the final 10%, almost got killed by it.
My build was a joke with how weak it was (and remained that way because DS3 is no fun.)
I heard you need 48 insight to see the baby
wrong game it's bloodborne your on about
Chris Holden duh its a joke
+Champion Gundyr ohh well OK then sorry
even with 99 insight, i can't even see Mergo lol
+Andrew Vesa your right maybe a rune will do it
Revolver "child of dragons" Ocelotte
Revolver "Revolver Ocelot" Ocelotte
You're pretty good
KEPT YOU WAITING HUH
Idk might be another connection here 🧐🤔
@@domusic7683 wait, does that mean the ashen one was actually Big Boss all along?
A little detail that I just love so much is that in the cutscene were the nameless King absorbs the storm drake, if you watch closely, you can see that he flinches a bit, that he's shaking. The drake was his battlefield companion for a long time. He really bonded with him and it was hard for him to absorb his close companion.
Maybe if he didn't go nuts and attack the players on sight he wouldn't have to go through that lol
Kinda seems like he's putting his beloved animal down, while also absorbing its leftover power. (It seems I'm a few years late)
i think that ornstein was just an illusion of gwyndolin much like gwynevere was and left before the chosen undead found him in DS1, also it is heavily implied that Havel was not the one locked away and it was just a follower. This would make all of this into one timeline instead of different ones and would add that much more depth of the story of dark souls
We get Ornstein's personal soul and ring wich I doubt a normal Illusion could give.also you can kill gwyndolin before fighting ornstein and smough.even gwynevere will disapear and only an item(lord vessel) will be left to be looted yet ornstein and smough remain indicating even more they are real wich makes it even sadder.they play with their lives only to guard an illusion
@@thelichking9070 It's possible Ornstein gave Gwyndolin a fraction of his soul to fuel the illusion
@@thelichking9070 the lion ring can still be found in ds3, meaning it was left there, so it's possible that ornestein left that to Gwyndolin. Also, it's a bit strange how Ornstein grows in size so much, like it's malleable. I think when we kill ornstein smough just lights his hammer with lightning (he was a follower of gwyn, it's entirely possible that he had something similar since even silver knights do), while if we kill smough first, the illusion just gets bigger.
Also, it's entirely possible that gwyndolin too is an illusion, at least his death, since we find him getting devoured by aldritch later. Lastly, even if you kill gwyndolin gwynevere illusion remains until she's killed. Everyone gets to believe their own theory, but i think this one makes sense!
@@LiqquidAss Havel was a single knight but he also had many followers
Dark Souls 1 most proliferated theme is how you are not a real chosen one of fate, but one of chance, the undead that arrives when the world was weakened enough for you to beat the challenges, that's why Anor Londo is a land of illusions and deceptions, just a front to reinforce that belief of you being special, when in reality Gwyndolin only wants you to get burned on the first flame. But the odd one here is Ornstein, he was not weakened, and his status was one of the highest order, with him being the leader of Gwyn's four, it just doesn't makes sense that you are able to kill him, much less with his back up, but when you face another warrior of Gwyn, Artorias, who is weakened, you can barely keep up with him, and even people comment how what you did was just putting him out of his misery. Is only logical to think about Ornstein as an illusion.
Oceiros: You were born a child of Dragons, what could you possibly fear?
Me, standing right next to him with a giant Zweihänder drenched in Dragonblood: Am I a joke to you?
@@frankgrimes7388 weaker than your mom even
Oceiros: SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU
I G N O R A N T S L A V E
yes you are, ignorant slave
Havel + Nameless King = JOLLY CO-OPERATION
I watched a video of a modder who pitted these two against each other Havel Vs NK, no HP or damage buffs to either, and Havel was incredibly close to killing NK, the reason Havel failed was he took time to Rock Up and that lower mobility was his ultimate downfall.
Stormdrake?
Havel + Nameless King = NAVAL KING!
My own personal lore is that Ornstein became a dragon so splendid and strong he was named the Storm Drake. And him being absorbed by the King he worshiped is just the cycle repeating of him leveling up his partner in battle.
It's also very possible that Ornstein is that one wyvern guarding right by the bell, being his knight and all.
When I fought Oceiros, I thought for sure that the crying baby sound was coming from Oceiros himself. That indicated to me that he probably lost his son and went so mad with grief that he convinced himself that Oceilot was still alive and developed some form of multiple personality disorder. The reason he smashes the "baby" in phase two might be that somehow he remembered that Oceilot is dead, and that's why his phase two is so much more aggressive. Equal parts rage and having nothing left to protect.
I noticed the Demon King's last hurrah the first time I fought him....I felt awful, realizing he was the last Demon of his kind....the, literal, last demon within this story arch.
So sad...
Agreed.
It's like when we went to kill Sif. Sif was just guarding his master's grave. And we went there only for a ring. The first time I fought Sif and I see him limping, I almost broke out of the battle... Poor guy didn't have to be killed.
All we have to do is just grab the ring and run away!! WHY SIF, FROMSOFT?!
That "last hurrah" killed me the first time he used it against me. I thought I had staggered him and attacked, not realisibg that he would obliterate my entire healthbar with one attack.
I guess the Old Demon King's last method of attack really succeeded.
But it is a off-guard attack, so can't blame ya.
Mika Streich Yeh, it hits me almost eery time....but I've gotten to my third journey, and used a few other new characters and have remembered that attack. It's a devastating blow if you've spent so much time trying to kill him, and he kills you off with that eruption of fire. Thankfully, he is done attacking indefinitely after that, and only attempts to swipe his arm at you, but can't because he's too weak.
He got me 2-3 times before I knew what I was doing. On the 3rd attempt ever, I remembered that sneaky move....but it's sad in the end, because (again) he's the last of it's kind :(
Sif is the worst, especially since he didn't go mad like so many other powerful beings we kill in the DS games. And bc sif remembers you if you saved him before you go there to get the abyss ring. It's a tragedy.
fuck, that scene with old demon king really gives you feels
Indifferent One, wait I didn't see a scene like that?
Indifferent One oh wait no sorry wrong video.
You know I just realized the way the nameless king claims the soul when the Oni dies seems scarily similar to when smough or ornatein claim each other after the other falls
Always been curious as to how that works
thats the reason i believe the theory stating ornstein dropped his armor, became a dragon, a very powerful one and teamed up with the firstborn once again. pretty sure the absorbtion thing is unique to the age of gods
It's just weird that smogh can do it. I'm curious.
Weird, I always assumed because of his cry, that you've managed to hit Ocelotte and kill them. So I assumed Oceiros' cry is one of pain or grief, and that's why he becomes so animalistic in the next part of the fight, because he is so maddened and enraged with his grief.
Ocelot is a dragon crossbreed that will duel wields revolver style crossbows in the second DLC.
Were did you get that info? Sounds really cool
Someone plays too much MGS3 ;p
+Scream Like You Mean It. FUCK IM SO DUMB HOW DID I NOT GET THAT JOKE
thejuggler5779 you're goin hollow man.
Ocelot was killed by Oceiros during the boss fight.
I didnt want to see old demon king die after seeing his struggle to survive..but then again mabe we put him out of his misery. Breaks my heart...good game design indeed
Sometimes death is mercy
@@Kurumi_Kazuha "Death as mercy" is arguably the point of Dark Souls, given the whole fact that the Linking of the Flame is basically what causes the suffering of decay for the world of the games.
I didn’t feel bad because a demon killed Siegward while I was doing the questline
@@HondaCivic-qj5gi good point honda civic
Something else that connects Seath with Oceiros: the moonlight Greatsword. You get it from Seath by cutting his tail, and when you beat Oceiros, you can transpose his soul to get it.
Hey Vati; Havel is not just standing next to a dead wyvern/ dragon, but near the living one which perches on the wall within meters. He defends a slab which is placed almost like a flower at a grave.
Good observation!
Next Episode: Lore of Edwad Emberpants.
How dare you misspell the name of the one and only chosen one! It's Edwad! May the gods have mercy on your soul...
PandaZzification You also forgot his warriors of sunlight :)
FFFUUUU- D: **turns into a chair**
(fixed)
If this doesn't happen I'm gonna riot
I invaded him Yesterday
Ganking scrub
Old demon king state is really sad
I was looking for this comment. It reminded me a lot of the final state of Great Wolf Sif.
19:06 The story breaking part of the fight is that FromSoft couldn't add the baby to the battle as it is highly looked down upon to cause any form of injury to an infant (it is in fact illegal in some countries) in a game, so they removed it from view, so I always thought his dialogue here was kinda funny "you were born a child of dragons, what could you possibly fear?"
problem: you hear it keep crying.
@@vyor8837 how's that a problem?
@@Ronam0451 that means it's still alive
@@vyor8837 even after being crushed?
@@thedogguy2137 yeah, he’s alive but really malformed
I like to think that Ornstein became the Storm Drake, it adds quite a bit more to the “stab cutscene” in that fight
You can see in many videos concepts of ocelott, including horrible sounds of him being crushed, the blood when he is smashed was replaced with water, and everything that show violence was cut off because the creators realize that the game was going to be cut-off in many countries because its was a little "too much".
And maybe i`m one of the only ones that think this scene is one of the most important in the game.
Oceiros fight was suppose to be one of the most "Oh shit..." moments in the game, its was suppose to shock the player, and make him realize all the violence and madness that stroke lothric (kingdom). Most of the moments in the game show a lot of corruption of the world, showing man-centipedes and gooed holy knights that make you either feel sad or grossed, but you really never see the gravity of the situation. Oceiros fight was to really show that the "shit hit the fan", showing how the great kingdom of lothric has fallen into disgrace after so many attempts of make a heir to link the fire.
Many people think it would just be some "gore porn" showing a baby being killed, i also think its horrible but it would be such a powerful moment in the game, one that would strike the player when deciding if he should link the fire, just like seeing the body of countless fire-keepers in a pit. Just like Dark Souls 1 that you find the truth of the dark age avoiding your regular path and finding Dark Stalker Kathe, i think Oceiros might be a optional boss for the same reason, being a hidden horrible truth of the cursed path of linking the fire.
It would be such a emotional fight seeing a twisted father trying to protect his baby and then shocking when he kills his own soon in a strike of madness. After the censor, all the focus on the "invisible" baby, and a weird cry of one of the background and Oceiros looking like hes holding something in the entire fight (even in the second form) just make the player confused if he should be seeing something, or if the baby is invisible or if is any baby at all. Most players just went "wow thats was wierd... OH HEY! A MYSTERIOUS DOOR!".
For me Oceiros fight should be one of the most memorable in the Dark Souls franchise and make me really sad seeing ending like that. Oh yeah, my english may be kind bad in some parts but thank you if you read it all.
Estevao guys, this one might be a long comment but I highly recommend reading it.
Estevao Hell yeah it gave me so much more feels when i heard the cut audio of Ocelot, it made me litteraly say "Well shit"
The first time I went through the boss fight I just blew off the whole Ocelotte thing as just part of Oceiros's madness, talking to and cradling a "child" that wasn't actually there. I think this is how most people would see it too, without the original grisly content. Censorship is a bitch.
Finally someone who point the censorship! You can't know how this "invisible baby" "still alive baby" non sense are driving me so Mad! especially when you do a little research, it's not hard to find, and on a first playthrough the thought should be like the XZ Gaming i guess (that was mine too) But thanks THANKS FOR THIS COMMENT Estevao!
Estevao When you say violence, do you mean shown in game? Because there are cut voicelines and stuff, but there's never any actual showing of him beating a child or even blood at any point. It was all done through voicelines. The babies invisible too and that was always planned. The voicelines cut suggest he either ate or beat the baby into a pulp. Either way, even without the visual component, it is some fucked shit. Easily some of the most disturbing things I've heard.
Oceiros is my favorite boss in all of dark souls, and all they had to do was have him talk. That was genuinely scary.
Same. Oceiros for me was hands down the most impactful boss. I immediatly went looking for background info and lore about him after the fight.
For me i killed him first try but i still really enjoyed it
Scary and tragic.
You should check out his cut content voicelines
Idk about my favorite, I really love the Slumbering Dragon fight from DS2. But it's definitely my favorite in 3. I tend to enjoy the dragons most. But my boys Fume Knight and Prince Lothric are dope too
5:05 notice how the Nameless King's spear hand shakes before he claims the King of the Storm's soul, only noticed this recently and made me feel quite sad. I used to think no bosses (aside from Sif, Gael and *maaayybe Friede*) had no emotions other than the insatiable drive to end the player in a violent fashion.
I mean... the crazy dragon man certainly has other emotions. The twins too.
Impressive seeing how Nameless King looks like he is hollowing.
@@lekhaclam87 Agreed. even hollowed he's got considerable focus and tenacity.
The Old Demon King worn out after the final boom reminds me of the fight with Sif in DS1.
No cutscene and yet we see them limping after so much. Yet they fight on.
I've played through Dark Souls 3 about 5 times, and i never knew any of this about the Nameless King. It's extremely interesting! Thank you for the videos.
Read the item descriptions it ties it all together
It's an optional area/boss altogether, well optional is used loosely it's a bit secret
@@s.i.rjewel828 yea with my first playthrough I completely missed it since I wanted to learn more what was going on and forgot about the random dragon dude sitting outside the dungeons
I've ran through ds3 11 times and only recently started learning lore
actually i knew all of this in my first playthrough. everything that was said here is from in game lore, from Item descriptions. when you try to transpose a soul, read the soul's own description, and then read the description of each item you can transpose, and you'll basically know all the lore.
what i like about Dark souls, is that not only the knowledge is locked away in item descriptions, which you might not even find in your playthrough, but also once your found the item and read its lore, you never need another break down or explanation about them !
"seems like an oni, whatever that is"
enter sekiro
You mean Nioh :)
@@salsashark4133 Nah, Sekiro
@@sukkmcnuttz3437 :)
Nioh is better. An oni is an eastern demon, not a dragon. Most commonly depicted as a red-skinned, man-eating, giant of a creature, standing roughly 10-18ft tall, with superhuman strength, claws, and a love for booze
@@nanteserrano1089 yeah but sekiro is a from software game
One detail I loved during the nameless king fight, is that once you beat the first half, the nameless king's sword quivers a little before aborbing the soul of the drake.
9:59 Havel: "You picked the wrong house fool!"
adding to the theory of ornstein discarding his armor to begin the transformation to a dragon: what if he did not only go through with it, but also became the most powerful of them and transformed into the giant bird thing the nameless king is riding on?
the swirly horns of the big bird and dragon head stone users look quite similar.
that would also fit ornstein being the firstborn's faithful knight as he still stands by his side.
plus he gets smashed and absorbed by his 'duo partner' once again.
Ahahha thats a nice theory
Not only that I always thought that In Dark Souls 1 he was just an Illusion like everything else since he had already departed to find the Nameless King
I have always thought that to be the case. The hint of the Storm Curved Sword was what convinced me that was it. His power absorbed by his master and mentor for that final fight just as the Old Gods of Anor Londo always did. There's three clues pointing to it, and none disputing it. I'll take it as my canon. It would also explain his powers of lightning shining through even his Dragon Form, which as far as I know is not only unique, but downright contradictory to all other dragon nature. It fits with his lightning imbued dragonslayer background well.
also the Ost of the nameless king its quite similar to Orstein And Smough OST
That would be interesting but the Dragon has been with the NK from the start of his betrayal. The Dragon has been with him since the start. I don't think the times match up but damn that's a dope thought
You never talked about the Stray Demon's relation to Havel. Its soul can be transposed into Havel's Ring, and his armor can be found nearby. Both the ring and the armor also make reference to the fact that many individuals follow in Havel's footsteps. It implies that the person we meet in game is in fact not Havel, but someone who killed the Stray Demon to construct a ring and armor in Havel's likeness. We also see 'Havel' standing in front of a dead wyvern, so it's possible he had just finished harvesting a Dragon's Tooth from it.
Also, you should explore more into the details of Lucatiel's relation to the Curse-Rotted Greatwood. Hodrick has her shield, her armor is in a nearby tower, and her mask can be bought for a Vertebra Shackle which implies she has some relation to the Mound Makers. Also, Sirris has a habit of killing people from Mirrah, and only shows up when you're out of Undead Settlement...
Sirris doesn't have a habit of killing people from Mirrah. Just because you help her defeat this one random NPC from Mirrah that's a known serial killer you shouldn't make assumptions based around that for her whole character
Two NPCs. Hodrick is her grandfather, meaning they're both from the Sunless Realms. Hodrick's Shield text says it's from the Sunless Realms as well, but we recognize it as Lucatiel's shield, meaning the Sunless Realms is Mirrah. Also, Sirris is either lying about being a Darkmoon, or believed to be dead by her superiors. When you join the Darkmoons, Yorshka specifically mentions that there aren't any Darkmoon Knights left.
Krim And, just like Creighton, she doesn't kill him because he came from some fallen kingdom, but for completely different reasons
She never really elaborates what those reasons are.
Fun fact about life Hunt, I’m semi-certain that the spell you can get from Aldrich is called the life hunt scythe. It makes sense for him to have it because he is the devourer of gods, so maybe that’s something.
I never knew about that 10% hp animation of the demon king
that's just sad, but this definitely made me appreciate dark souls' attention to detail more
Give the poem guy the Pulitzer prize this year, please!
"He ate my waifu, so I ended his laifu."
It sounds so poignant when vaati reads it
If you're not reading this in Epic Movie Guy's voice, what are you even doing with your life?
Doesn't Matter Beam not being a virgin
Vaati reading this in such a serious manner really shows how epic the dude sounds.
Nameless king: daddy I like dragons
Gwyn: get out
Nameless king isn't allowed to tame a dragon
Yet Gywnevere was allowed to "Tame" a dragon
@@Herrscher-4 Gwynevere "rode" a dragon
I bet Gywnevere said the same thing.
@@Herrscher-4 WOOOOW
for the Oceiros bossfight I was under the impression he was just crazy and didn't have a baby at all, and the crying were noises that he himself were making
I though Ocelot, the half dragon baby, is not invisible. And he is here. Inside the King. He talks to Ocelot because he absorbed his soul to make HIMSELF a dragon half. That's how he got that progress. And also thats why he shouts "OCELOT!" when going feral, he's calling his inner dragon bloodline through his child to be unleashed.
>be last of your race
>be surrounded by said race's corpes
>this guy comes and fights you
>gets you to a half-death state
>doesn't kill you and instead narrates your sad history
probably crying inside already, a devil may cry fam
if you come and beat my ass to 10% percent hp
i'd died happy knowing that Vaati is narrating my story yo
Hitler's not here you know
Jon Baird He isn’t joking, Berserk (I think) inspired the team during the development of Dark Souls, look it up.
Jon Baird nice b8 freak
Six The Legacy it's true Berserk heavily influenced dark souls series
Everytime I see one of your videos all I think is just how good a book the Dark Souls series would make haha
I think the souls lore is highly dependant on placement of items and and visual hints that would be very hard to pull off in a book
Maybe a movie or a video game? Wait...
Yeah that's true but imagine how much deeper you could get with the lore in a series of books. The placement of items and hints is there to make people figure out the lore but they could find a way to do that in a book.
You should look into Michael Moorcock. His Elric and Corum series are pretty similar thematically to Dark Souls. Tragic fantasy about doom shrouded lands and heroes.
Thanks for the suggestion, I guess I'll check it out! :D
The Old Demon King was my favorite boss in ds3 just because of his tragic back story and the effort shown once he gets down to low health it made me so guilty and sad when i finally killed him
I say the King of Storm is actually Ornstein. HEAR ME OUT . When u find Ornstein's armor and weapon there is no body that u pick it from, Now the NK could have picked him up with his spear and yeeted him across the map, but the dragon people are what u look like on the path of the dragon. Now I think that the King of Storm is someone who fully went through the entire transformation. And plus on Ornstein's Adventure, he could have gotten corrupted by the abyss also meaning that u can use Artorias sword for 20% extra dmg to the King of Storm.
Is Ornstein the Nameless King's dragon? His faithful mount after swearing allegiance to Gwyn's firstborn and following the path of the dragon? You get his armor and weapon only after the fight, just like you get a boss' armor set only after killing them.
That's actually interesting to think about
That would be fucking awesome
The beak, dextrous maneuvering, and the NK's spear start to take on the visage of a haunting reincarnation when studied in this light.
@@dissolution9843 Now I have flashbacks of my countless deaths...
Depend?
I have horrid memories of Havel's basement.
First time playing souls. Picked wanderer with master key burial gift. Everything went fine and dandy for the first little bit, overleveled myself WAY to much from farming, found the early blacksmith dude in the New Londo ruins, and I even discovered the Uchigatana semi-accidentally. I then got to the Taurus Demon's spiral staircase and, out of curiosity, unlocked the door to Havel's basement with my master key. I saw Havel standing at the bottom of the basement, and thought "Huh, I have 17 Dex with a +3 Uchigatana, I can take him." I attack the rockman, trying to stunlock him, but the poise was too much. He rears up his semi-penis shaped dragon tooth for a slam attack and, me being a first time noob, I raise my dinky nipple shield in hopes of blocking.
My healthbar instantly transforms from a deep red hue, to a yellow colour similar to the liquid slowly filling my pants.
Sophisticated Turtle True story, bro.
lmao you should write a book
You use the word semi very liberally
Jimmy ; ^)
this was so beautiful
He killed my waifu
So I ended his life-u
That was a haiku.
stolen comment
It has 6 and 7 sylabes, not 6 and 8
@@MatthewTheUntitled wait isn’t a haiku 5 7 5?
@@MatthewTheUntitled Haikus are 5 7 5, and I don't know where you got 6. "Killed" is one syllable
@@demcurvs you’re both wrong, a haiku doesn’t rhyme making your quarrel pointless.
I always thought that Ornstein is the Nameless King’s Dragon ( In DS 1 when you kill Ornstein first Smough grows and more importantly gains his companions Lightning similar to when you defeat the dragon which the Nameless King is riding he in turn gains lightning powers) just and opinion but this has always been my thought on the matter
Same, since the whole area has people turning themselves into dragons and serpents. It also explains why his armor and weapon are off to the side, he got rid of them to become a dragon
Maybe he's the Old Wyren. Since Ornstein must be pretty old when he left the Anor Londo and turn into dragon
Yes but nameless king has lightning powers in the first phase when his dragons alive so when his dragon dies he doesn’t gain lightning powers he gains just power
Invisible baby with great power? Reminds me of Bloodborne
The Angry Trapezoid mergo
The Angry Trapezoid Osiris reminds me of Ludwig from bloodborne
... so
sunbro is
is not the Sun's Firstborn...?
Oh Vaati, why must you break my heart so
no he was the storm king so he could be closer to the sun
Technically, Andre was supposed to be the first born.
No he isn't, but that just makes Solaire more epic as all the things he acomplished came from 100% pure skill
You could probably push Solaire as an Amnesiac Nameless King if you really wanna stretch the lore.
Solaire was serving Nameless King. He was not Sun's Firstborn, but he was really close to him.
I like to think ornstein had become the storm drake, lending his power completely to the nameless king, knowing that when he falls his power is given to the first born. Besides it’s a storm drake, and storms carry the bane of dragons, lightning.
The amount of time and effort that goes into these videos is actually amazing. Half the time I can't even follow the lore even when its explained to me because it's still so complicated. Kudos Vaati
Ricard? Naked? Ohh, you mean..
*RICARDO MILLOS*
@xBirds yes
@CIAN HORNBY yes
Gwynivere: Daddy, can I date Seath?
Gwyn: the duke, who is also that pale, scaleless dragon that gave us lightning to betray his own kin? Sure thing, just be careful, he's a bit crazy.
NK: Hey dad, can I have a pet dragon?
Gwyn: NO!!
NK: I'm getting a pet dragon.
Gwyn: I'll take down your statues.
NK: you're bluffing,
Gwyn: You said the same thing when I said I'd set myself on fire to keep that flame thing lit.
NK: And?
Gwyn: Smough, knock down every statue with my firstborn's face on it.
Smough: ?
Gwyn: yes, even the ones at the sunlight altars. I know you like the sun warriors, but my son has disgraced his own name.
Smough: :(
NK: FINE! I'm going East!
....poor smough
lol "fuck you dad i hate you" XD
It's not a phase, dad!!
That's just who I am!!!
Lol sad face
Most of the time, I'm so focused on staying alive that I don't notice most of the details. I enjoy watching these kind of videos though because the story of Dark Souls is fascinating to me!
If anyone sees this and can help me, do you have a book or a series of books you would recommend to me that resembles the dark and violent universe of Dark Souls?
This is a late reply, and very long, but if you're still looking for book recommendations...
There is, of course, George R. R. Martin's "A Song of Ice and Fire" series. Very dark. Very violent. It's what the show Game of Thrones is based on. Quite a few differences between the books and show, naturally.
"To Green Angel Tower" duology by Tad Williams is a little less dark, but sufficiently epic, I think. I've re-read it multiple times and always enjoy it.
The "Green Rider" books by Kristen Britain start off not as dark, but get darker as time goes by. The latest book just came out recently. Some little romance, ghosts, torture, betrayal, evil, some sadism, etc, all come into play eventually, though there's also a bit of humor to balance it out, if that appeals to you.
My most favorite, though, which I _highly_ recommend, would be a few world-connected series by Michelle West. There's a _ton_ of lore, a bunch of which one needs to tease out by reading between the lines, just like in Souls games. Gets really quite dark and violent. Most every character is fascinating, not necessarily "light" or "dark", though the basic division of good and bad still exists- the line between the two can just get a bit fuzzy. Even the literal _demons_ can have positive or admirable traits! And yet they're still terrifyingly evil. The core series is called "The Sun Sword". Then there is "House War", which starts before, runs parallel to, then finishes after The Sun Sword series ("House War" focusses on some of the other main players from the "Sun Sword", giving another perspective to events in the core series). Then there is "The Sacred Hunt", which takes place before everything and ends slightly overlapping the beginning of "House War".
I know it sounds confusing. My reading order suggestion would be "The Sacred Hunt", then the six "Sun Sword" books, then finish with "House War". Or skip "The Sacred Hunt" and go straight to "The Sun Sword" if you're finding TSH a bit slow, as those two books do take a slower pace. Anyway, these books have it all: Gods, demons, monsters, elemental and wild magic, seers, fey creatures, assassins, sacrifices, multiple different societal groupings that often clash with each other (patriarchal, matriarchal, monarchy, theocracy...), political posturing and intrigue, ect. I own every book, and each one is cracked from rereading. They are dense, epic, horrifying, lovely, humorous, heartbreaking, joyous... Truly can't recommend enough!
I hope at least one of these catches your interest! If so, please do let me know, as I'd love to hear what you think. Cheers!
Also a late reply, but Berserk. It's one of the biggest inspirations for the Souls series.
@@axoc77 Berserk is pretty great. It's a real pity it won't be finished now.
Your work has allowed me to gain a greater understanding of the Souls/Borne universe/s and I can only hope you keep up the amazing work.
Oceiros before dying: "Y-You're pretty g-g-good.....*dies*"
"Oceiros, you killed a child! Great work king, that's what you're the best!"
You twist your elbow to absorb the recoil. That's more of a zwiehander trick.
I really enjoy pistachios, does anybody else like them?
Nope, no-one in the fucking solar system.
+Lucky Falkor everyone but you likes them theyre like sex on ice
I think they're better because you have to work for it you know
+Kolkeet it's called sarcasm, pistachios are the only reason I get up in the morning
VaatiVidya Thanks for the response my hombre :) Also thanks for making great content
I love your vids man, the transitions between shots and how cinematic you make everything look really makes it a treat watching.
Greetings from Austria.
These videos were so damn interesting! Playing through the game now and feel connected to the world a lot more as a result. Great work!
I like the theory that Ornstien is actually the storm drake that the nameless kings rode.
I was just thinking the same thing.
+KingKy Yeah he more then likely rode him when he fought for the dragons.
The thing that gravitates me to that theory is the location of the set that we find it in. Exactly below where we fought the storm drake.
What I thought and you can kind of see it since the nameless king absorbs the power of the dead drake like ornstain and smough did in their fight
I don't agree with this theory, far too imaginative...but i do like your profile pic:) Jason is the real Legend, our true Lord
So... Nameless went "How to train your dragon"?
How To Train Your Dragon 3 Starring The Nameless King
+fosilhun123 and my tears
there is no nameless drake
+fosilhun123 There's already a how to train your Dragon 3
All Lothric is known for training dragons, drakes and wyverns, not only the Nameless King.
So is more "How to train your dragon 4: The Lothric style"
I always interpreted Oceiros’ intro dialogue as him believing he is still a King, and that he calls the Ashen One a slave, under the belief that they are one of his servants attempting to usurp him, out of fear of what his child could become, similar to the Gods fearing Priscilla.
Gotta say: the Nameless King scenary, aesthetics, etc resembles A LOT to the final battle in Swkyard Sword's Demise
Isn’t it amazing that people can come up with such an in depth, artistic concept like Dark Souls? Never played the game but I love watching these videos explaining the lore and story, it’s amazing.
Give it a true b0ss you're missing out on a really awesome journey you will have the taste of true victory when you beat the gamr
@@ephgee1554 I actually played 2 , it's great you should play it if you love the series
@@ephgee1554 oh well .. someday then
@@ephgee1554 it's your choice
EphGee Bit of a late reply so you’ve most likely completed it by now, but just in case you haven’t progressed since your last comment; from majula, most people generally proceed to the forest of fallen giants first as the enemies/bosses there are easiest. There is also some decent early game loot there, namely the Drangleic armor set and the fire longsword - a solid loadout for the first third or so of the game 👍
You kinda forgot to mention the demon in the undead settlement, who (unlike the other two demons) is still purely on fire and flaming.
JanicaZz wat demon
Noah the Nacho the one you fight with siegward
and the one around catacombs of carthus, he's still chilling out down there
Krieg mania yhorm
And aren't there lots of flaming demons near smouldering lake, including the one that you get a twisted soul from?
"And finally the cursed rotten greatwood"
Whattt?! He was optional._.
Myazaki blessed us with the Nameless King. Everyone was so curious about Gwyn's first son in DS1.
Poor old demon king :(
He didn’t deserve it
Almost cried 😭
He would kill you if he can ... Are you aware of that?
@@youseyong9114 dude we're in dark souls what do you expect😭
@@youseyong9114 but your the one walking in to where he was he was just defending himself
2 things:
1.) if you look at Oceiros' model in an external program, you'll find a human-shaped skeleton rig in his hand
2.) when I first fought Oceiros, I thought that our constant battering resulted in the death of Ocelotte, and in a fit of rage, Oceiros lashes out even more violently than before
Sounds fair enough to me, hoping the DLC can shed more light on this, DS3 has left me with more questions than answers
The rig could exist to make it more simple to animate Oceiros' movements while holding the invisible baby that might or might not exist.
that's fair, but I still prefer my theory
I hope Ocelotte wasn't there at all, I want him in the DLC! :D The evidence do seem to be in your favour though.
Fun fact, in early versions of the game you would be able to see Ocelotte, his model is there and it's kinda creepy. Also, in his second phase Oceiros would smash Ocelotte against the ground each time he took a step, making a crunching sound (probably of baby bones). I think they removed it because it was WAY too graphic and they didn't want a R18 game
My favorite idea I heard about Priscilla is that she was raised to be this great warrior, essentially a living weapon, but she fled, rejecting the path laid before her, and went to Ariamis to live peacefully.
About the Sacred Oath miracle, many people think, me included, that there are not 4 people (the Sun, the firstborn, the knight and the dragonslayer) being mentioned in it, but only 3 (the Sun, the firstborn and the dragonslayer):
"This is the tale of the Sun's firstborn, his faithful first knight, and the brave dragonslayer who served them both."
The comma between "and" and "his faithful first knight" may not be just an Oxford comma.
"his faithful first knight" may be explaining "firstborn", with "his" referencing "the Sun" (Gwyn) and "the dragonslayer who served them both" would be Ornstein, who served the firstborn, as his first knight, and the Sun, as the captain of the Four Knights of Gwyn.
So what I think the miracle is trying to say is:
"This is the tale of Sun's firstborn, [who was] *his* (the Sun's) faithful first knight, and the brave dragonslayer who served them *both* (the Sun and the Sun's firstborn)"
I like the Havel theory, but I prefer this theory.
Ah, so you're saying that "his faithful first knight" acts as an appositive for the Sun's firstborn.. Nice theory
Savage JR
Exactly.
That is possible as Ornstein is described as serving both of them.
That seems to make alot more sense. Somebody should check out the Japanese version, maybe it´s just the translation that made it ambigous.
This is very interesting. I wonder what the original japanese said.
first born: I have to tell you something father.
gwyn: what is it my son?
firstborn: I like dragons
Gwyn:.......fuck you
first born: but dad! dragons are FUCKING METAL!
gwyn: DRAGONS ARE FUCKING STUPID! just get out of here! go! Get out of my face! I never want to see you again!
gwyndolin: father I have something I need to tell you.
gwyn: oh my me! what is it now! do you like dragons too?
gwyndolin: dragons? No those are fucking dumb, no dad I'm a woman trapped in a man's body
gwyn: ......so you hate dragons?
gwyndolin: yup
gwyn:then we're good, do whatever you want
Ok
Seath: Umm should I not be here for this?
gwundlin wasnt raised with big lightning daddyo around. he was raised by feminists, thas why hes a cross dresser
Glod.
Gwenavere: Hey dad I have something to tell you too.
Gwen: For the love of the sun don't tell me you like dragons.
Gwenavere: Weeeeeell, I like _a_ dragon.
*Seath smirks in the background*
What an incredible video. Thank you so much for this, Vaati. It's clear how much work and love went into this. Only found your channel in the last couple of months and I'm really enjoying working my way through your videos. Excellent work 😁
I have probably watched this video now 5 times over the past 2 years and it just gets more and more imteresting everytime.
These lore videos have added an additional level of appreciation, depth and love for this game for me that I didn't have before. I appreciate the effort you've put forth to make them. I look forward to watching the rest. Thank you!
+Peithly Koncho I'm very glad I could give you that!
I think ocelote used that invisibility ability pricila used and is able to keep it up indefinetly
I mean. I already shared another majorly-uneducated theory on another one of your videos, but a thought came to mind, on watching this one also. Again, don't expect it to be accurate cause I don't know that much about Dark Souls. But Ornstein is supposedly alive in this 'universe' also, despite being killed in a previous one. This is the same for Havel. So, is it possible that Seath also remained alive in this universe? And you see the man in the armor, in the Way of the Dragon pose. What I wonder, is perhaps he had done the research to possess, Seath? Is that as all a possibility? Well, if it is or not, I just put the idea out there. Again, There may be things out there to discredit it, so if there is, sorry for goin on about this here, but in case there isn't.... Well. Here's an idea.
What if the man in the suit, had been Ocerios? Of course, how he got Seath up in there is beyond me. What if the scales are also a form of molting? The people could also easily be experiments, for this same thing.
the lore is one of my three main reasons behind playing this game. the others are the music, and the thrill of defeating god-like beings such as the Nameless King.
Ornstein went off to serve the Nameless King. In order to reach him, he needed to go on the Path of the Dragon. He completed his journey and became a dragon himself. A very special kind of dragon. With no need for armor or weapons he left them off to the side and became the storm drake that the Nameless King rides. When you kill Ornstein in Dark Souls 1, Smough consumes his soul and becomes strengthened with lighting. When you defeat the storm drake in Dark souls 3, the same exact thing happens. Ornstein the Storm Drake, unlike any dragon before him.
I find it more likely that the Drake is something else, and that Ornstein became one of the many transformed dragons. If only because the power of storm seems quite specifically different from the power of lightning. The Nameless King already has quite a lot of lightning, but the King Of Storms doesn't have any lightning attacks. And when NK finally absorbs the KOS' soul he doesn't get any more lightning. Rather, he gains flight and extreme speed. These sound like completely different things (Ornstein's speedhacking charge attack during his first boss fight not withstanding)
Maxwell Lindley well, the charge is a technique, not from the stormdrake. we know this because NK apparently trained ornstein, including the charge and the pierce-and-shock attack.
i may be wrong but i think when ornstein went searching for the nameless king he was dissapointed... maybe he died or something else, and then he starts cosplaying as the nameless king and the NK we kill is actually Ornstein
Nicolás Vivar similar to "ornstein is the stormdrake", there's not even a hint in the lore of that.
Maxenfelter
King of the storm does have that charged lightning slam, and the lightning bolt he throws while he's flying around.
Unless by King of storms you meant the wyvern itself, in which case I agree with you.
Love the videos and work you do. Got me to actually try and beat these games.
Honestly the old demon king was one of the saddest fights. The poor king, in all his might fell. It was almost a mercy killing at the end.
I never understood why the power of the Sun manifests as lightning and not fire in the dark souls games.
The sun is a big ball of plasma and lightning is a form of plasma.
Fire shows up as red. If they have a similar "sun" to ours then they would perceive it as yellow rather than red. Lightning/Sunlight Spears are more yellow light than red so perhaps that's why.
Alternatively fire was first found within the earth and lightning came from the sky where the sun would be,
Bit late to the party, but I'll throw this in anyways. Lightning is *not* the power of the sun, it is the power of the gods. The reason it is attributed to the sun is because it was conceived by Gwyn, the *god of the sun*, not the sun itself. Lightning spear becomes more powerful and more attributed to sunlight, because it gets stronger as it is improved, becoming more like the "spears of sunlight" Gwyn used.
Fire has a completely different role in the Souls Series, and may be *actually* related to the sun. Fire, as spells are concerned, is related to the Chaos Flame, something created in an attempt to emulate the First Flame. It is worth noting that the sun, when the first flame gets just near fading, can be noticed growing darker. It also looks like a Darksign, but that's not relevant at the moment.
So, recap. Gwyn used lightning which is the power of the gods, and thus his title linked it to the sun. Pyromancy is drawn from the Chaos Flame. The First Flame is actually related to the sun.
Lightning comes from the sky, the sun's in the sky. Could be that the Dark Souls sun isn't a big ball of fire like our sun.
It might also be just so there could be a distinction made between Gwyn and the dragons. Dragons breath fire so it would of been a bit weird to kill them with it possibly?
+VaatiVidya I thought you lore guys read descriptions... not just you but also Dave Klein apparently has never read Ornstein's soul from dark souls 1, or at least not careful enough.
"Soul of Ornstein, Dragonslayer Knight who guards the cathedral in the forsaken city of Anor Londo.
Special beings have special souls. Lord Gwyn granted this soul to his four most trusted knights."
As you can read right here Ornstein's soul was granted this soul by Gwyn. So it might not be actually his personal soul, but more of a manifestation of power (Ornstein's power) granted by Gwyn. Just like Gwyn gave parts of his soul to Seath, the 4 Kings and the other 3 knights (and to other gods as well). I think Ornstein left this soul to guard the cathedral in his stead when he himself left or Gwyndolin created a powerful illusion of this soul to the point it became physical.
There is no need to use that cycle excuse for Ornstein here.
TheLastSound I am also pretty sure that there was a theory that Ornstein in DS1 was an illusion and the actual one left with gwynevere
Interesting, thanks for that tidbit
I cannot believe I’ve only now come across your videos! Dark Souls 3 is by far my favourite game of all time. Love the rich lord that your can discover, the gameplay. Love everything about it and can’t wait to play Elden ring.
Love the irony of stone clad Havel being mortal enemies with a smooth dragon envious of those covered in stone