That’s a good one but the one that gets me is when Primus cries out “They’re bringing the temple down!” You can hear the sadness and desperation in his voice. He’s so arrogant and impetuous but that one sentence you can hear him break.
A couple of fun facts that Boylan leaves out: The temple where the Black Templars chose to make their stand was the very first temple constructed on the planet of Armageddon, which is why it's considered the holiest ground on the planet, and why making a stand there is such a huge symbol. Grimaldus was buried in rubble when the temple collapsed, and when he emerged, he was dragging behind him a bunch of rescued Imperial holy relics from the temple, which in turn further cemented him as a symbol, a hero.
@@glandhound Of course, the most notable exclusion being almost everything relating to the docks. Despite this, Boylan has kept the story coherent and told it in a form far more appealing than a 12 hour audiobook, at least to me. I hope you didn't interpret my comment as criticism against Richard Boylan, I very much love how he presented Helsreach.
It's also the site where the orks lost during the great crusade. It's also the site where horus was named Warmaster. Armageddon is Ulinor, the ork homeworld
right up there with: "I ain't so easy to kill" - Warboss Grimskull "Because I am right" - Big E "All a man needs to do is fight and die - that is the Krieg way" - Krieg Guardsman, explaining his illiteracy
About "dumb decision" made by titan gunner. It isn't shown here, but in original story the crew has fought many days without sleep or rest, so they were beyond exhausted (and probably pumped with stimulants in order to keep fighting). So that pilot probably was unable to think straight at that moment.
Plus, they had Godbreaker in their face, shelling the hell out of them. They already had damage done, which is why they were manually firing, and not simply supporting Zahar as she does it. He may have been able to wait, probably should have, knowing that the plasma core was overheating badly, but even Zahar knew that they had only one shot at it. Emperor class Titans aren't exactly swift on their feet, so running off was not an option.
I wonder how much Grimaldus punching that wall was to not kill the Guardsman unjustly for doing his job? Like, I know they aren't sons of the XII, but the odd breakage must happen from time to time.
I'd say that was him being overwhelmed with anger at the enemy and grief over the loss of one who swore an oath to him, forming a kind of battle bond, and I guess also frustration that valuable assets to defending everyone was now lost. But who knows, a less mature Astartes may have taken it out on a lowly guardsman in some way.
The Black Templars *aren’t* secular. They’re one of the most religiously zealous chapters. The Ultramarines are sorta a polar opposite. They are more secular than the average Astartes chapter.
@@boomburst8031 So far I only read Black Library stuff and lore and am not hugely focused on the Ultramarines in particular but, anyway, _Dead Sky, Black Sun_ has Ultramarines uttering prayers, including at least perfunctory rituals towards their wargear that one would expect from the Mechanicus, though I've heard they are really quite common in general. I also just checked and they absolutely have a chaplaincy like other SM chapters do. That leaves me wondering who or what they are really praying to (which is also the case re: Imperial Fists).
@@boomburst8031 I suppose their chaplaincy and congregants might act like the stereotype of Unitarian Universalists as atheists who really like going to church but since we're talking about 40K I really don't see it.
@@BelisariusAlKhwarizmi chaplains are there more to keep a watch on the marines. So they don't step away too far from the ideals of the chapter. In the ultramarines case I think they would make the chapter follow the coded astartes religiously.
@@glandhound it was specifically because Euphrati Keeler told him that if he went with the response fleet to Isstvaan, he would die. When he tod this to Dorn, he got really pissed at him for believing in a prophets beliefs over the wishes of his Primarch. Eventually, Rogal Dorn annointed Sigismund as the first Emperor's Champion where he proceeded to absolutely obliterate any Chaos champion at the Siege of Terra.
The guardsmen did find his love again "His smile dropped and he semt absent for a moment, i am not great at reading human emotions, but it is clear that she did not survive" Honestly listen too the audiobook, its so well made and the videos did leave out so much
I think this is very subjective you can think this is autistic.... or not emotional but only in USA :D in USA its normal to ask stranger on your day even if you dont care at all or smile on someone which you dont know or like at all ..... in Europe its not a case :D its not 2 faces for everyone like USA lying like you care even if you dont care at all :D so i think honesty shouldnt be called "emotionally not inteligent" in Europe its normal to say what you think not lie to try look like you care even if everyone knows you dont care at all :D 2 faces are not normal .... :D Honesty should be normal dont you think ? :D
I believe it's a Warhound titan, not a Dreadnought. Warhounds are 14m tall and owned by the Legio Titanica. They are the smallest titans used for their speed and maneuverability to avoid enemy fire and typically fight in packs. Castaferrum Pattern (most common) Dreadnoughts are 3.4m tall and owned by an Astartes chapter. Used to keep space marines who suffered mortal injuries on life support, albeit life support inside a walking tank. But due to their rarity, only heroes of the imperium will be interred inside the central casket (can be replaced with a new one when the pilot has died so that the dreadnought can be reused).
(This might have been retconed) The Warhound titan is the smallest combat class titan, but Imperial Knights are smaller. They were not made for combat, instead being utility machines. Made to help new settlers establish themselves.
@@Telruin As far as I’ve seen, imperial knights where primarily made FOR combat, they helped settlers in their off time. And regarding the smallest titan, that is the warhound, knights aren’t counted as Titans
@@tfan2222 If you check Imperial Knights on Games-Workshops webstore. They are described as "Titanic war machines..." They were made as utility vehicles. The chain-sword is for forestry, and the cannon is for mining (As I recall). They were repurposed when they got cut of from the Imperium, and had to defend themselves (instead of relying on the Imperium forces).
The Black Templars are actually one of the only Chapters that venerate the Emperor as a literal god. Though I think at the point of writing Helsreach I’m not sure they had confirmed that was the case. I’m sure somebody else knows exactly when. Oddly now in lore the Templars and Sororitas are very closely linked in their shared faith considering they fought against each other on Terra during the War of Apostasy.
Yes, the book was written quite a long time ago, and does not fully comply with the current codex. This is why Grimaldus denies the Emperor's divinity sometimes (if I remember correctly).
@@mallus1313 Nah this book complies with the 5th edition codex and they where extremely religious in that one. This whole book was a subversion of Grimaldus' page in the Codex from back then. The who reason he said that line, "I have dug my grave in this place, I will either triumph or I will die." is because that's in the codex. Also why it's so out of place. I mean you don't monologue to a guy trying to kill you while he has use of both arms and can still stab you.
Black Templars in a nutshell: - Badass speeches - Badass armour - Badass lore - A complete disregard of tactics - Very holy - Extreme prejudice against heretics - Dying in the most spectacular way possible - Biggest assholes amongst the astartes - Always crusading, so ignoring the idicoy of chapter size. - A complete distaste for psykers Edit: keep on handing me more to add to the list plz lol. Bruh 1 year later and I forgot I even made this comment.
They prefer to be on the offensive, instead of defense. That's part of the reason why Grimaldus really didn't want to be left behind, as well as why he had that argument with the Salamanders about holding vs chasing down the boss.
@17:25 the reason Beyard is saying that isn’t to be insulting, it’s him actually acknowledging Grimaldus slowly coming into his own and taking Mordreds place proper. He was admitting that he believed when Grimaldus took the post he shouldn’t have, but witnessing his growth and spiritualness through the campaign he’s come to respect him. It’s also Grimaldus agreeing with Beyard. Believing he shouldn’t have got the spot as their were other more suited to it.
*_As Grimaldus is further steeped in death and battle, the graphics and art style becomes sharper and more colorful, emphasizing what Black Templars are truly meant for. After the battle is concluded, everything is back to drab line filters again._*
I've heard it was to reflect Grimaldus' state of mind. Him being plagued by Mordred's death is his story arc, he then gets better as a leader as recognised by his comrades, culminating in the last battle. Then he's plagued by survivor's guilt.
Listen, The Sons of Dorn are not much when it comes to social tact, much like their Primarch. Rogal Dorn could’ve missed and received a hug from a long lost brother and he would just stand their awkwardly. There’s the objective and there’s the obstacles, which is everything that stands in the way of the objective.
Might as well talk to the Wall cuz the Fist ain't listening. Why would you expect baseline human responses from transhuman super soldiers. Astartes might seem awkward almost autistic as they have little need of empathy and other fuzzy thinking , as to them such things are irrelevant to their primary function of finding the enemies of the Imperium and fucking their shit up in the most expedient way possible. It's the price to be paid for specialisation.
Not all astartes, sons of Dorn in particular are autistic as was the primarch himself. Blood Angels and their successors will have much better emotional skills because their geneseed comes from Sanguinius. Just like all the Ultra Marines chapters are good at organizing books and how Dark Angels are handy with crossbows. It all depends on the geneseed.
@@glandhound Ok. So consider someone who's career military, because of their specialist training, the way they think and act could seem "odd" to a civilian. So take that to the extreme of the Astartes. From childhood they are mentally and physically conditioned, augmented and genetically enhanced with abilities beyond any baseline human. I would say they are not "autistic" but refined for a very specific purpose, so they would too find us "odd". 1. The 7th Legion have always been stoic and taciturn from the start, out of necessity as the recruits had to be able to withstand implantation that was painful even by Astartes standards. 2. The 9th Legion's geneseed quirk allowed recruits to be picked from mutant humans. Also they have a hyperactive Omophagea which allows them to quickly learn by drinking the blood and eating flesh of friends and foes. Unfortunately they quickly gained a reputation as cannibalistic berserkers. It was only after being reunited with Sanguinus that they would find balance through embracing the best of humanities virtues; art, sculpture, music, philosophy, debate etc. The likes of the Flesh Tearers could be said to have regressed to their old ways. 3. The 13th Legion's geneseed quirk manifested in high trait orderliness and respect for authority. This was useful at their founding when recruiting from newly conquered tribes on Terra. Guilliman trained them to think clearly before acting. Finding balance between theoretical ideas and practical experience. 4.Tbh the Space wolves for the most part seem to be some of the more well adjusted Astartes. The banter, boasting, insults and (relatively) playful punches in the face help keep their egos in check. While the ritualistic importance of remembering and retelling of the sagas, many flagons of Mjod and plates of curried goat all help the process of dealing with the loss of fallen brothers. All legions/chapters have evolved to deal with their quirks in different ways, some better than others.
@@BaldPolishBiotechnol Iron Losers can go dig a ditch lol. Night "super edge" lords can go sulk in their bedrooms and listen to "Fields of Nephilim". No, I definitely don't have any strong opinions on either.
A few things to note. First, yes, you were right on the money with your assessment that Astartes are emotionally stunted and have issues with both empathy and self reflection. It is trained, brainwashed and possibly surgically and genetically altered outbof them, in order to create superior warriors. They aren't immune to emotions, which is a big reason why Chaplains and Reclusiarchs exist, but they have difficulty grasping the idea that trauma does get to them, and to what degree. Related to this is that it's common practice to put ancient dreadnoughts into stasis when not ready to fight or giving advice, as the centuries of PTSD and the trauma of being confined to a life supporting coffin can drive them mad if they don't have something to keep them occupied. The process of becoming an Astartes grants superhuman resilience and strength, and lessened fear, but robs them of humanity and empathy. Grimaldus starting to clutch at some of it, even trying to converse with Andrej shows that he has regained some of it through his experience at Helsreach, which is frankly amazing character growth, considering that he began thinking that his assignment there was a worthless death, and him being petulant and moody, even needlessly sadistic. The exchange with Sindel was interesting for a few reaons. One, he doesn't bow because, as Reclusiarchs, he is something of a bishop in Astartes terms. He is roughly close in heirarchy to Sundel's place as Prioress. Second, as you correctly judged, the lack of empathy plays a big role here. They came in almost expecting to be heartily welcomed, overlooking the fact that they just rocked up without permission, right at the last moment. This is made worse by the fact that the Sororitas are essentially nuns with guns, who wondered why the hell they weren't around when the rest of the district was attacked if they cared so much about the sacred places of the world, and now suddenly changed their minds. Sindel made a pretty decent guess by insinuating that some Astartes would have sacrificed all for the Imperium's ideals, then there are those, like the Black Templars, who cared only about glory, but she did add that both extremes are Astartes, subtly suggesting that perhaps they can still yet change that. The eyes thing is weird, but I take it to mean that both Zahar and Sindel saw a certain kindness and beauty in the eyes of what is usually a cold and heartless breed of superhuman, both his vulnerability that he hides in his mask and his redeeming trait that could be tapped into to make him more than just another Astartes soldier. The anointment is very much like an older style, where a priest or priestess would merely touch the oil or holy water to the brow of the one being anointed, a gentle gesture, but one that contrasts nicely with the harshness of battle. Interestingly enough too, when Sindel says that it brings clarity to the lost and doubting, he only refutes being lost, and he responds to the statement that he can walk without guilt in a way that suggests that he has had guilt. He saw himself as beneath Mordred and wanted to fill those shoes perfectly, wracked with doubt and guilt about having to do so and whether or not he even could. This lead to darkness and brooding, and even less emotional maturity than the typical Astartes levels, but twice now, he had people saying that he had something beautiful in his spirit, and on several occasions, he has had others put faith in him, so he obviously had some worthiness and good to offer, he just needed to find his place and do it his way. As for the smaller walker, that was a Warhound Titan, a small (By Titan standards) unit, designed to either offer support against standard armour or to scout and harass bigger Titan units in support of their own larger Titans. The two mechs it ran between are Warlord Titans, medium sized Titans with heavy weaponry, all dwarfed by Zahar's Emperor class Titan. It really shows how big Godbreaker, the Ork super Titan was, when Stormherald, which normally towered over even the Ork Gargants, was smaller than it by a bit. Bayard, the Emperor's Champion, showed typical headstrong attitude of those who take on the role. It's a good highlight to show that Grimaldus was finally starting to grow up, dismissing his condescension of the Imperial Guard, lecturing him on how the Imperium was born in moments like that, when all walks of humanity stood together, and then accepting him saying that he spoke against his ascension. The one with the chainsword was Bastilan, the sergeant, who got killed while distracted by Priamus hesitating in picking up the Black Sword. It was interesting that they all died in reflections of their traits. Kador was getting older, and was ambushed. Bayard was cocky, typical of Emperor's Champions, who are revered as being holy and often let that get to their heads, and he was killed by a spear, not an Ork Nob or champion of any kind. Bastilan was inspiring, yet not a leader, a middle ground warrior, and got killed because he was focussed on trying to inspire action in Priamus. Nerovar was the meeker one, yet noted to be quietly resilient, and died valiantly, pulling himself down the spear that impaled him, his last action being to kill the one who impaled him with his knife. Priamus, the hotshot, who wanted to be known for his glory, was panicking, driven to his knees and burned alive by a Burna jet to the back, an irony, given his mockery of Kador being shot in the back. Arterion died back to back with Grimaldus, still holding his standard, after turning around to say goodbye to him, even at the end, setting himself aside for Grimaldus. It's wonderfully poetic, really. The choice of the temple was very important and symbolic. It's one of the first temples built there, and also it shows that he saw his potential sacrifice as being able to be one of martyrdom for the Imperium's ideals, a far cry from where he started, bemoaning the fact that he couldn't earn his worth by accruing personal glory. The woman Andrej wanted to marry, by the way was Captain Domoska, the one he was with at D16 West. It's kinda sad that the story implies that she died, and he never got his happily ever after (As much as any Guardsman ever could). He did get promoted, and it was either through attrition or because Grimaldus told of his good deeds. Maybe both. The end definitely shows that despite their reputation, Astartes can have survivor's guilt, as he apologised for being alive when his brothers aren't. They died so that he can return a wiser man and fulfil his duty as Reclusiarch. His speech was an excellent reflection of how he finally understood the lessons that were to be taught, that it's not about one being more glorious than another, instead all are equal if they do their bit to bring illumination to the bleak darkness of the universe they live in. Kinda fitting that he begins the story by stating that he wears the blackest of the black, and ends by saying that those who bring the light to darkness are to be honoured and respected, and that being at Helsreach taught him that. Then there's the end line, such a perfect line. "Hero of Helsreach, the crowd cheers. As if there was only one"
În regards to the super weapon trope, in the book itself that part had been solved far before the last stand in the cathedral district as the conversation between Grimaldus and Jurisian happened way before that moment. Grimaldus ordered Jurisian to not even attempt to go to Helsreach and go directly to the front at the Hemlock river that was fairing much better. Only after Princeps Zaha died and the rest of the Titan legion fucked off of the city they met with Jurisian and of course instantly accused him of being a heretek for stealing their stuff. Jurisian pretty much just black mailed the mechanicus guys to go back to Helsreach and continue fighting in exchange of surrending the ordinatus to them once they are done. The battle against the Mega Gargant was also much different. The Titans distracted it by shooting, shining lights and blasting horns at it while running circles around it with the remaining tank regiments flanking the gargant and a part of the orks attacking, their plan was to lure the gargant out of the city to give Jurisian a better chance of killing it without taking half the remains of the city with him
the thing is from what is pointed out above is space marines were trained and surgically enhanced to not have hesitations like normal humans, they are expected to look and anaylsis the battle and be immediately able to find the best response to any situation at a faster speed then normal commanders. A reduced speed not in the standard of the chapters would definitely be questioned and any promotion to a leadership role would be declined or not without some serious trials like Helsreach for grimaldus
"The eye thing is sort of weird." - I think you're missing out on something very important there. The character is a Chaplain, a High Reclusiarch of the BLACK TEMPLARS. A chapter that has been crusading for 10,000 years in order to xenocide & purge the heretic. He wears as Skull Helm, which is designed to intimidate and threaten; he's supposed to be stoic. Hard. Unfeeling. But we realize, through the series, that he's very, very human. *Vulnerable.* That is why that line is so significant. She's not commenting on him having aesthetically pleasing eyes. She's saying "You're human." Something, for reference, most Sisters of Battle believe Astartes not to be. So that line? From someone so prestigious within the Sisterhood? That's VERY significant. You're not a huge lore nerd like I am, which is why you missed it. But that was not a weird line. It was VERY powerful and a total badass move from her. She's basically saying *"I recognize you as being worthy of my presence."* The fact that she even manages to get him to bow in front of her shows how much control she has of the situation.
Dreadnoughts are astarties who are too wounded to fight that are essentially permanently entombed / plugged into a walking tank, imperial knights are the larger than dreadnoughts piloted by one person and are owned by the adeptus mechanicus. The walking war machines you saw were TITANS. Multiple crew are needed, very tall and wield battleship class weaponry and void sheilds. also owned by the mechanicus. Often reffered to as gods of war. Hence the name TITAN. the small one you saw walking is a scout titan called a war-hound.
Knightly houses come in three groups, Mechanicus knights, Imperial knights and Free blades. Because of the treaties the Emperor made with the Mechanicus, half of the nightly houses went to them, but they perform all repairs and maintenance on all knights. Free blades serve no particular house and serve as knights errant, serving on whichever battlefield they choose, sometimes to regain any honor they may have lost, sometimes for glory, sometimes as mercenaries in the employ of the Imperium, and sometimes because to seek vengeance because their house was destroyed or became traitors.
I always took the animation changes where supposed to be related to Grimaldus mental state/state of mind. It gets more cleaner as he gets more clarity, then when he's the only survivor of his brothers when he was so sure he was going to die it reverts. I am 100% pulling this out of my ass though.
Nah, it’s an actual ordeal people deal with in moments of high stress. Like clarity in the eye of the storm, after a threshold is hit humans begin to ‘normalize’ in the chaos around them, their breathing, thoughts, and perspective can momentarily become ‘clean.’ Think of it like ‘fight or flight’ having a second level to it beyond adrenaline and panic. Or post-nut-clarity.
I look at the barbs between the Reclusiarch and Emperor’s Champion as an impromptu confession. Like: “… I didn’t want you to rise in rank. Think of me however you will.” “Well if we’re gonna be honest with each other, I didn’t want it.”
"As if there is only one... " Gets me every time, and is equally true for most conflicts Regarding the choice of how and where to die (which is extremely important for Grimaldus for very petty reasons) it ties back to the annihilation of the chapter who's battle barge crashed in the first days of the battle (where Priamus were knocked out). In the book Grimaldus have a couple of flash backs to the majesty and glory of their last stand and wish something similar for himself Grimaldus state of mind and the question of if he's the right choice as Reclusiarch or not is a prominent theme in in the book but hard to adopt to film. That's why the short exchange between Grimaldus and Bayard seems out of place when in fact, it is Bayard admitting he was wrong and that Grimaldus prover him wrong
Yeah so many great scenes and characters from the book having to be left out is sad. The squad meeting utop Storm Herald and the Templars gazing upon the statue of Dorn. The fighting at the dock with Andre and the Dock Instructor and their bond that would form all the way to the end. The Forge Master meeting the fleeing elements of Invigilata and having them follow him into the Hive to fight the Ork Gargant - and a slight redemption for one of their character in him giving his life so that Jurisien gets the shot. The pages of just fallen Templars and how they died and if their gene-seed has been collected or not. The full final battle at the end with all 27 Surviving Templars charging in blindly to battle, Grimaldus fighting atop a Baneblade and not a stop in the action for them to reform inside the temple but them to just be pushed back and back further inside under the weight of numbers (Grimaldus laughing the entire way)
Иван Грозный можно перевести как sinister, scaryface, formidable, потому что лицо было грозное. А так он был не таким уж кровавым тираном - на фоне того что творили в те времена другие правители.
Hail Brothers. The Templars have always had a reputation of smite first and let the Emperor sort them out. It's hard for an enemy to fight back if they're already in little pieces. For Dorn and the Emperor. For the honour of the VIIth. The Last Wall shall never fall. Gloria in excelsis Terra. 1. Why would you expect baseline human responses from transhuman super soldiers. Astartes might seem awkward almost autistic as to they have little need of empathy and other fuzzy thinking , as to them such things are irrelevant to their primary function of finding the enemies of the Imperium and fucking their shit up in the most expedient way possible. It's the price to paid for specialisation? Tbh wolves for the most part seem to be some of the more well adjusted Astartes. The banter, boasting, insults and (relatively) playful punches in the face help keep their egos in check. While the ritualistic importance of remembering and retelling of the sagas, many flagons of Mjod and plates of curried goat all help the process of dealing with the loss of fallen brothers. 2. Titan is a Warhound class scout titan. 3. After Helsreach, Grimaldus got a retinue of servitors to carry pieces of the fallen temple as relics. 4. If Oberon had been fully crewed and operational it would have immediately turned the tide as it is virtually a mobile fortress that had horrendously powerful offensive and defensive capabilities before even counting the Starfury cannon which is usually found on Imperial navy capital ships. Ps. Paul. Persistent Nudge. History of the Unification Wars by Oculus Imperia please and thank you. Or at least his two vids on the Blood Angels as I think the Templin vid left a lot out.
The thing about never having doubt varies from chapter/legion to chapter/legion. The Black Templars (and most other Dorne based chapters) are particularly up their own butts with this kind of thing. The smaller walkers roaming around the titan are knights. Thier job is to patrol around for threats to the titan that are otherwise below the titan's notice such as smaller walkers, tanks, or infantry teams with heavy weapons. Your theory on the Astartes' emotional maturity is correct. It's rarely stated in the lore but it is often wondered at by many characters with different ideas and perspectives. It also applies to the primarchs and arguably, though in a different way, the Emporer himself.
Knights werent a thing during War for Armageddon, which Helsreach is a dramatization of the United States warfront. Epic and Titanicus had been given up on. Hell, knights as they currently exist basically were created in 6th ed from scratch, only their ranks and wargear names are shared
@@F14thunderhawk I didn't know that. But I do remember from one of the Horus Heresy books about the war within the Mechanicum on Mars they describe how the formations of different types of titan worked with and against each other. It also had a great deal of the politics between the different houses. Maybe they weren't called knights then, or maybe the book is more recent but it's definitely in the lore as far back as the great crusade that the titan legions work this way.
The thing is it's a trait of the sons of dorn to be brutally honest like dorn he never minced his words even to his brothers. So do his sons its an odd thing really. You should see space wolves when they banter they hurl insults and boasts to the end. Even long fangs who spent the longest time in the space wolves great company would happily insult a young welp or they will make sure to rub any mistake every chance they get.
Space wolves for the most part seem to be some of the more well adjusted Astartes. The banter, boasting, insults and (relatively) playful punches in the face help keep their egos in check. While the ritualistic importance of remembering and retelling of the sagas, many flagons of Mjod and plates of curried goat all help the process of dealing with the loss of fallen brothers.
While I do love the artistic drawing/animating of Helsreach, there is a fair few story 'adjustments'. The majority are harmless but the Stormherald vs Worldkiller fight is the one that actually bothers me. In short, the bit where Stormherald fires at Worldkiller with its plasma weapon and Worldkiller ripping off Stormheralds head happens within 2 seconds of each other. There's no back and forth arguing. The Princeps is basically dead (again), the entire crew is beyond exhausted and Stormherald is barely functioning. They fire because they feel like theres no time left, and there probably wasn't. Other 'adjustments' that i'm aware of include: The entire Black Templar force clear the area around the crashed orc ship in ep 1, not just the 5 'stars' who enter the ship. Grimaldus doesn't talk the Princeps back from the dead, he berates/shouts/swears and hints at her being a heretic, it was anger that brought her back, not memory of a sworn oath. The Sisters of Battle take no part in the defense of Helsreach, when the Orcs assault the Church they all stay in the Catacombs. They even kill guardsmen trying to go there for medical aid and state any who open the doors to the Catacombs will die, regardless of who/what it is. For obvious reasons i'm glad this one is changed, cause that is some extremely heretical bullshit. That's like soldiers in a COP deciding to *only* defend the Command Bunker when under assault.
Someone else commented something similar to this on one of the helsreach vids but they made a point about the art style changing throughout the animation and then going back to the original style for the end kind of resembled Grimaldus's emotional state in a way. the changes start when the fighting begins and the world is flooded with color and only when the fighting is over, and Grimaldus is the last of his brothers does the world go back to black and white.
The small titan is a warhound titan. They act as destroyers to skirmish knights, warhoundtitans, warlord titans or emperator titans. An imperator class titan doesn't need to worry about enemies getting the drop on them because warhounds are designed to find and harass the enemy
You do not give Adeptes Soraritas orders or tactical advice. If you try to the best case scenario is they totally ignore you. To paraphrase the Hero of the Imperium Commissar Ciaphas Cain "the best way to use the Soraritas is to point them at the enemy and shout HERTIC" remembering to get out of their way first. Seriously read those books, while ostentatiously more humourous in tone in many ways offers glimpses into the everyday life in the Imperium. They are just fun to read with an actually intelligent and relatable main character. And again with much sadness I must call you a lier. For continuously calling yourself a mere reaction channel when you are not so much reacting as analysing and then explaining it through real world history.
Naw, you cant even wield the Argent Shroud that way. You just have to pray youre not between them and the target before they start fighting. Once theyre ready they go and achieve whatever Departmento approved mission objectives they deem fit, and then leave. In this case: Prioress Mom wants to save her daughter's life so they will be the indomitable wall.
Thank you for reacting to this man! Awesome to see it from you! Also why it comes back to black and white is to repredent Grimaldus state of mind, as in deep grief and pain, because he could not share the same fate as them, either death or victory. He failed to achieve both and feels psrt empty because of it
A space marine can operate weeks on end but even astartes requires sleep and rest, it’s akin to say a British fort being held off against the taliban, only for the Americans to arrive at the last second. Despite the Americans also suffering massive losses to get to the British asking where the hell they’ve been, vs fighting non stop just to reach the British fort. Just to paint a picture of the situation in modern terms
10:40 they do have ptsd, biggest example are the ravenguard during the crusade, they were used to attack civilians which colapsed them mentality. When they found their primarch Corvus, he changed that practice as he knew his men weren't made for that type of warfare. 29:00 the emperor champion always bite the dust, they always die, thats their only job: go pick a fight, win and die. On the sword, that one is a powersword, the one with a chainsword was the apothecary.
Apothecary doesnt have a chainsword either. He has a compact surgical board called a Chiurgeon's tools. it has a Chain-Scalpel so he can cut through ceramite armor.
To answer an implied question, Bayard tells him that because he is glad the high Marshall didn't listen to the astartes who had issues with it! His voice being one of the few that did, and he says this because before he dies he wants grimaldus to know that he was wrong about his privately held beliefs. I don't think that's either an insult or disrespectful in any way and quite dignified and honorable
A lot of people reacting to the part where the Emperor's Champion tell Grimaldus that "I'm one of the few that spoken against your ascension to reclusiarch." and taken it as an insult toward him. Which I believe isn't the intending purpose. Grimaldus answered "I would of said the same in your shoes" isn't a clap back, but an agreement that he don't think he is right for the job either. The flashback scene at the start is the hint, showing how Grimaldus is trying to become his former Master who died instead of becoming his own person for the role. A much earlier part where one of his squadmate call him out about "his darkness is spreading to the rest of the crusade" is for this. TL;DR: It's not an insult, he said that because he cared and don't want Grimaldus to carry that burden when he isn't ready. These people know each other for hundreds of years, so their bonds allowed them to be frank to each other with no hard feeling.
fun fact, in a friendly get together between the salamanders and the blood angels, the chapter master of the salamanders proclaimed to dante chapter master of the blood angels that he had his doubts about his abilities to command, upon wich dante, a far older person gave him the advise, we are still human, the fact that we are stronger and live longer does not change this, we make mistakes and should aim to correct them, wich means that space marines do feel doubt and can be hampered by thier emotions, they only show less of it,. the qoute though could be somewhat different since it been some time since i last read it, but it was in this spirit.
I’m fairly sure the “regular” sword is a power sword. Basically a normal sword with a plasma torch that can be ignited along the blade to cut through armor. The black sword is probably warpstone.
Part of the training and indoctrination a Space Marine goes through does include hypnotherapies and things to affect their mental and emotional states. With the Grey Knights they even erase all their past memories to make it so Daemons have nothing to use against them or tempt them with, because their big focus is fighting Daemons. So a big part of it is to make them not able to think or act like normal humans, despite being human originally. It doesn't help that they are usually selected around the age of 10.
One thing that's worth noting is that Space Marines don't tend to use cover for the sole reason that there is very little in the universe that is a threat to pierce their armour that wouldn't also ignore anything they would use as cover. Exceptions, of course, apply, like with spaceship combat where the walls can stand up firepower that could easily penetrate their armour.
To explain the war machines you see in this: The small one that was running away from the Ork Gargant was a Warhound Class Titan. The warhound is the smallest Titan and is usually given to that of newest Principes to help train them in becoming close to the machine as well as give them a machine with less of its own will - every Titan class has its own machine spirit that “literally” wants to take over. Warhound Titans have the least with a more docile one which most Imperial tech has. Warhound will usually be deployed in pairs. Their duty is to scout the enemy positions and do some quick harassment before pulling back and reporting to their superiors with the larger Titans. The next two you see are Riever Titans. These Titans are the second biggest and somewhat more your medium class battle line Titan. Their duty is to primarily fight on the battle line. Their slightly tougher to control than a Warhound - I.e. suppress the Machine Spirits urges - however are usually given to those principes of regular or standard skill. Warlord Titans are the next biggest. These are much larger and covered in a lot more weaponry and have a much more living machine spirit. These are usually give to Veteran Principes to be used in the Battleline/command Titans. This will likely be the biggest Titan you will see in most Titan Battlegroups. Emperor Class Titans are the Largest and what Zachar was using. These mechs are beyond rare and only found used and within specific Titan legions of honour (most are literally their from their founding over 10,000 years ago). Emperor Class Titans will always be a battle groups command Titan and has the most hardest and alive machine spirit to control. This is why only the most Elite of Principe are ever given command over these Titans. Also to expand on the whole Machine Spirit thing. You’ll have saw in Episode 10 & 11 that Zachar was getting a set of robotic like images playing in her head. This is the Titans Machine Spirit. A Titans Machine Spirit is literally a living thing with its own mind - its mind mostly set to one purpose, to fight as that was what it was created for. As such a Principes in assigned to a Titan to take human control over the machine as well as bond/override the machines own will and spirit. However, the Machines Spirit will begin to also slowly eat away/degrade a Principes mind/life the more it’s bonded with them. A lesser Titans Machine Spirit may take decades to even slowly weaken its pilots willpower and begin somewhat breaking its pilots control over it. However, Titans such as Emperor Class Titans are known for burning through their pilots within a handful of years. Some are so powerful in spirit they will legit go through 2 Principe a year - these machines are usually kept shut down and carefully taken care of as to ease the machines spirit until a time of requirement. At which point they will give it a pilot and hope that the sacrifice of said man will be worth it.
That’s not a dreadnought or an Imperial Knight. Those are Warhound class Titans. The smallest of their kind, also known as “scout Titans” they work with larger class Titan classes to act as scouts and relay information to their larger Titan brothers. However, even by themselves they are still extremely powerful on the battlefield, with heavy lascannons, and can wreck enemy armor and infantry alike. They’re so powerfully compact, two of them guard the entrance to the Emperor’s own throne room.
Remember that Titans have a strong machine spirit which means that Stormherald itself was hugely disappointed in the Moderati's decision. Stormherald was also an Imperator class Titan and I'm not sure even Cawl can rebuild those. Real dumb decision.
Surprisingly Imperators can be restored and even built from scratch in 40k, but it is a process that can take century or more to finish. I think only knowlege to build Reaver Titans was lost recently due to losing STC to Apocalypse Missile Launcher.
@@georgethompson1460 They know how to make plenty even if it isn't fully understood. Somebody even told me Imperator-class Titans can be built anew, while, of course, taking very many years. But Land Raiders etc. are churned out all the time.
Also yes, SM get PTSD. Clear common examples are mostly Chaos Space Marines like Iron Warriors in the novels, the Crimson Slaughter with the "curse" put upon them. For the Loyalist side look upon Ultramarines in the Horus Heresy and in videogame for check Down of War 2 Chaos Rising.
In the beging that was a Warhound class scouting Titan with 2 Warlord class Battle Titans vs a ork gargant. The Templars are actually one of the few chapters that do worship the Emperor as a God instead of supremely awesome human like most other Chapters. Thats how their chapter was founded and why they are on a Eternal Crusade, basically the First Captain of the Imperial Fists Legion Sigismund was disowned by their father Dorn due to him being religiose. After the Legions where split into chapters he took all those who regarded the Emperor as a god and swore to not rest until all the enemies of mankind are defeated and humanity is in a golden age in hopes to find forgiveness for their transgression against their father and the Emperor
In answer to your question about swords, the standard chain sword has a guard on one side. Think of a chainsaw with a protective cover on the top part of the blade. Then there's the eviserator with both sides exposed making it dangerous to handle but deadlier. There's also Power swords that look like regular swords but are charged with a power field like the black sword we see near the end of this episode. Primus likes to fight with a power sword and most of the others use a chain swords I think.
A bit late but I don’t think Bayard was insulting Grimaldus by saying he spoke against him becoming chaplain. I think it was more of an apology saying he didn’t think he was worthy of the job but now seeing him in action he does think him worthy.
In regards to the PTSD argument you made. The issue with Primus's attitude, ist PTSD. Most Astartes view themselves as above humanity. They were hand picked frim a small sect of humanity. Survived grueling trials that killed 90 percent of other applicants. And have been given augmentations and wargear from the emperor's own hand. They are his sword. They live hundreds of years, are basically immune to sickness. Remember the big tiff between the Salamanders and Grimaldi's? Taking an enemy's head vs the lives of several thousand civilians. Human life is not generally prioritized to the mission. Thus she's back talking terminators With demigod complexes.
The oath Grimaldus speaks of at the end is a promise to tell Andre’s superiors about how he and a squad of dock workers who where under his command saved the marine squad’s lives on the way to the temple. As far as space marine toughness goes Grimaldus’ table top mini has special rules that if reduced to zero wounds you are allowed to roll a dice and on a successful roll he survives with 1 wound left
it is a big part of the space marines mentality that they are very much not human anymore and pretty socially awkward . the book actually touches on this when Primus is with that dying girl on the walls , he just cant relate to her and how shes feeling in any way and feels a huge disconnect. Thats probably my biggest criticism of this animation is he left out some very important stuff that was just said in narration and mostly just uses dialog 90% of time
Mostly because half of the temple district was lost to the enemy leaving the seroritas high and dry, vs the docks falling leaving helsreachs back completely exposed, diverting valuable men and materials as well as losing your only means of support via such as fuel and ammunition.
27:15 - If you're a Guardsman and you participated in a battle WITH Space Marines AND Sisters of Battle it's generally acknowledged that you witnessed a religious miracle. And with chainswords, one side IS the chain-blade and the other side is covered to prevent the wielder from accidentally hitting themselves (or others) with it. However, some fighters DO remove the protective cover to make the chainsword ALL blade.
Andrej didn't get promoted due to attrition, he actually did several noteworthy deeds that came to the attention of Grimauldus, who then passed it on to his commamders, and when an astartes, particularly a reclusiarch puts in a good word for you on your deeds, that's gonna make the high command look upon you very favourably. After all the astartes are often seen as angels of the Emperor.
In the book it explains they do not kneel because the space marines see themselves above normal humans. Same reason why Grimaldus, again, doesn't kneel and leans over instead when getting anointed.
I think you missed the point at T=17:00. Bayard wasn't firing shots at him. He was reflecting on the change that has occurred in Grimaldus. If you remember at the beginning Grimaldus was in a dark place, and felt that his death would be futile on this planet. Now he has accepted his fate and pushes those around him to have faith in each other, and if they are to die that it wont be in futility but rather that these moments are the moments that define the Imperium. Bayard is recognizing that change and so is Grimaldus.
Bayard's and Arterion's blades are power swords. They have tech in them that essentially forms a power field around the blades and allows them to pierce through even some of the hardest shit. And regarding the "nobody will believe you" thing, it would be easily believable actually. Sororitas have been fighting and dying for a considerable time throughout the war for Helsreach now, after all.
The small titan is a Warhound scout titan. its fast and a scout by titan standard... But its still a titan. Black templars are pretty unique chapter that actually do worship the emperor as a god. Space marine do actually feel fear, but they deal with it differently. And Grimaldus did tell Aundrey's superiors, that he saved the Black templars' bacon. Which -as you said- probably went a long way when there are so brutal attrition. Also i loved how you make a theory about space marine losing the ability to understand humans, which Grimaldus then seemingly confirms later on. Awesome video!
A large aspect of death in battle for space marines always goes back to the Emperor's sacrifice and his fall with his battle with Horus. The Space Marine from the very beginning has been trained and taught to be warriors and defenders of humanity and that to aluminate what the emperor did at the end would be greatest honor and expectation for them. We have to remember this is a religious and warrior culture, as such despite being very shorted sighted, expectations is put more in dying in battle over more logical actions. Albeit this went to the extreme after the Horus Heresy. People often compare the Imperium to the Soviets and Germans of WWII but really despite having similar appearance, alot of the cultural and doctrines of the Imperium is actually more similar to WWII Imperial Japan.
There are no knights or dreadnaughts; all of them are varying 'forms' of Titans of different scales. The first one with the wolf-like head, the Warhound, is the smallest variant of Titan and is used for pulling targets/reconnaissance/smaller targets. The larger ones are varying Titans (Looks to be Warlord-Class Titans). The Stormherald, the leading Titan that Grimaldos talks to in the vat/liquid tube, runs an Imperator (Emperor)-Class Titan
There are 4 types of Titians, from smallest to largest: Warhound, Reivers, Warlords, and Imperators. The main difference is they get slower better armored and they get more secondary weapon mounts (0, 1, 2, 6 respectively) In Helsreach the book, they where always there. The Princeps commanded a few group but the battles they where fighting where huge, lots of explosions and destruction so think he cut it to soften the work load. Really there are whole sections of the book missing. Like that guy in the beginning that fought with the Black Templars before when Grimaldus was meeting with the officers, he had a whole thing but in this you never see him again. Also there was a side story about a group trapped behind enemy lines and the docks thing was pretty long. Also you get more than 5 Black Templars fighting. But the audiobook is like 12 hours long I think, so you know. 13:00 Well the other side to that is Primus was a bit of a prick. 17:17 that's another example of the book adding more context. That conversation was more of "I didn't think you where the man for the job but you grew into it" it wasn't "you suck". But they where talking for a while.
His eyes are referenced because the men are hardened veterans and killers. He has yet to lose his kindness and love like his brothers. He still holds and cares for humanity. Also their emotional maturity is greater than the rest. They don’t lie to each other because it would be an insult. Also they challenge each other this way. Use anger and turn it into energy to kill and hate the enemy. Ah one more thing. The Black Templars lore was they recruited the most deadliest and psychopathic murderers for their cause.
for your question at 28:50 those are 2 diffrenc characters. the one with the chainsword is the apothecari (medic with more white on the armor) and the one in the scene here is another astartes. both have diffrent weapons. one is the chainsword the otherone a powersword.
Imperial swords come in about five different grades. Normal sharpened metal, mono blades, chain blades, (which are what you'd expect), lathe blades (think mono but with funky space magic materials made with special gravitational conditions that make them stupidly durable despite being mono-blades), and power weapons, which are really, really good. I think they're using Lathe blades because of the lack of power field. Regardless, the weapons they're using are at least one step above chainswords. Er, to elaborate there is technically one grade higher, Force weapons, which can explode thinking enemy on giving them a papercut, but those are psyker exclusive. Those are functionally a power weapon that doubles as psy-focus/hypodermic needle for their powers, hence letting them instantly kill you on a graze thing. Once they puncture they can effectively set off any sort of nasty psychic ability they want right inside you, defaulting to completely frying whatever passes as your entire nervous system.
The titan is a war hound scout titan, the apothecary is the one with the chain sword you hear and see. The other weapons in the group like the mace grimaldus uses has a power field around the head same with the swords except the blades are sharp down to the molecular level.
"Hero of Helsreach the crowd cheers, as if there was only one"
Still makes me tear up.
first time i watched this i fucking cried
"Goodbye, Brother." The finality, the sadness and the pride in that line. There's so much unsaid in that line. It hurts.
Been over a year since I first heard that line. Still sticks with me.
That’s a good one but the one that gets me is when Primus cries out “They’re bringing the temple down!” You can hear the sadness and desperation in his voice. He’s so arrogant and impetuous but that one sentence you can hear him break.
A couple of fun facts that Boylan leaves out: The temple where the Black Templars chose to make their stand was the very first temple constructed on the planet of Armageddon, which is why it's considered the holiest ground on the planet, and why making a stand there is such a huge symbol. Grimaldus was buried in rubble when the temple collapsed, and when he emerged, he was dragging behind him a bunch of rescued Imperial holy relics from the temple, which in turn further cemented him as a symbol, a hero.
Considering the audiobook for Helsreach is about 12 hrs long, Boylan must have left out quite a bit.
@@glandhound Of course, the most notable exclusion being almost everything relating to the docks. Despite this, Boylan has kept the story coherent and told it in a form far more appealing than a 12 hour audiobook, at least to me. I hope you didn't interpret my comment as criticism against Richard Boylan, I very much love how he presented Helsreach.
It's also the site where the orks lost during the great crusade. It's also the site where horus was named Warmaster. Armageddon is Ulinor, the ork homeworld
"I had a headache... but it went away." - One of my favourite lines in the whole of 40k.
right up there with:
"I ain't so easy to kill" - Warboss Grimskull
"Because I am right" - Big E
"All a man needs to do is fight and die - that is the Krieg way" - Krieg Guardsman, explaining his illiteracy
"Drive me closer, I wish to hit them with my sword" -DoW2
About "dumb decision" made by titan gunner. It isn't shown here, but in original story the crew has fought many days without sleep or rest, so they were beyond exhausted (and probably pumped with stimulants in order to keep fighting). So that pilot probably was unable to think straight at that moment.
Plus, they had Godbreaker in their face, shelling the hell out of them. They already had damage done, which is why they were manually firing, and not simply supporting Zahar as she does it. He may have been able to wait, probably should have, knowing that the plasma core was overheating badly, but even Zahar knew that they had only one shot at it. Emperor class Titans aren't exactly swift on their feet, so running off was not an option.
I wonder how much Grimaldus punching that wall was to not kill the Guardsman unjustly for doing his job? Like, I know they aren't sons of the XII, but the odd breakage must happen from time to time.
I'd say that was him being overwhelmed with anger at the enemy and grief over the loss of one who swore an oath to him, forming a kind of battle bond, and I guess also frustration that valuable assets to defending everyone was now lost.
But who knows, a less mature Astartes may have taken it out on a lowly guardsman in some way.
@@ResidentWeevil82 Or one less skilled in handling the emotional extremes that come from the augmentations.
The Black Templars *aren’t* secular. They’re one of the most religiously zealous chapters. The Ultramarines are sorta a polar opposite. They are more secular than the average Astartes chapter.
When Ultramarines pray, who or what are they praying to?
@@BelisariusAlKhwarizmi They don't. The emperor is just a man to them.
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So far I only read Black Library stuff and lore and am not hugely focused on the Ultramarines in particular but, anyway, _Dead Sky, Black Sun_ has Ultramarines uttering prayers, including at least perfunctory rituals towards their wargear that one would expect from the Mechanicus, though I've heard they are really quite common in general. I also just checked and they absolutely have a chaplaincy like other SM chapters do. That leaves me wondering who or what they are really praying to (which is also the case re: Imperial Fists).
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I suppose their chaplaincy and congregants might act like the stereotype of Unitarian Universalists as atheists who really like going to church but since we're talking about 40K I really don't see it.
@@BelisariusAlKhwarizmi chaplains are there more to keep a watch on the marines. So they don't step away too far from the ideals of the chapter. In the ultramarines case I think they would make the chapter follow the coded astartes religiously.
Dying on holy ground is particular meaningful for black templars because they see the emperor as a true god. Other chapters may differ at this topic
Most first founding chapters follow the Imperial Truth.
Sigismund was one of the first who saw the divinity in the Emperor, which is why he was disowned by Dorn.
Really weird that he said the Black Templars were secular.
@@glandhound it was specifically because Euphrati Keeler told him that if he went with the response fleet to Isstvaan, he would die. When he tod this to Dorn, he got really pissed at him for believing in a prophets beliefs over the wishes of his Primarch. Eventually, Rogal Dorn annointed Sigismund as the first Emperor's Champion where he proceeded to absolutely obliterate any Chaos champion at the Siege of Terra.
The guardsmen did find his love again
"His smile dropped and he semt absent for a moment, i am not great at reading human emotions, but it is clear that she did not survive"
Honestly listen too the audiobook, its so well made and the videos did leave out so much
The Primarch Rogal Dorn was somewhat...lacking.. in emotional insight.. a trait passed on to his 'sons'
@rat They are up there, but Lion certainly beats them both, especially as he is an ersatz-King Arthur.
Naaaaaaaaaah.
you had me laughing when i read your comment
I think this is very subjective you can think this is autistic.... or not emotional but only in USA :D in USA its normal to ask stranger on your day even if you dont care at all or smile on someone which you dont know or like at all ..... in Europe its not a case :D its not 2 faces for everyone like USA lying like you care even if you dont care at all :D so i think honesty shouldnt be called "emotionally not inteligent" in Europe its normal to say what you think not lie to try look like you care even if everyone knows you dont care at all :D 2 faces are not normal .... :D Honesty should be normal dont you think ? :D
@@youtubeisdead8153 Hey man, it costs you nothing to be polite!
I believe it's a Warhound titan, not a Dreadnought.
Warhounds are 14m tall and owned by the Legio Titanica. They are the smallest titans used for their speed and maneuverability to avoid enemy fire and typically fight in packs.
Castaferrum Pattern (most common) Dreadnoughts are 3.4m tall and owned by an Astartes chapter. Used to keep space marines who suffered mortal injuries on life support, albeit life support inside a walking tank. But due to their rarity, only heroes of the imperium will be interred inside the central casket (can be replaced with a new one when the pilot has died so that the dreadnought can be reused).
(This might have been retconed)
The Warhound titan is the smallest combat class titan, but Imperial Knights are smaller. They were not made for combat, instead being utility machines. Made to help new settlers establish themselves.
@@Telruin As far as I’ve seen, imperial knights where primarily made FOR combat, they helped settlers in their off time. And regarding the smallest titan, that is the warhound, knights aren’t counted as Titans
@@tfan2222 If you check Imperial Knights on Games-Workshops webstore. They are described as "Titanic war machines..."
They were made as utility vehicles. The chain-sword is for forestry, and the cannon is for mining (As I recall).
They were repurposed when they got cut of from the Imperium, and had to defend themselves (instead of relying on the Imperium forces).
Warhounds are 20m tall
@@beardthebartender7644 14m should be right.
“What is your duty?”
“To serve the Emperor’s will.”
“What is the Emperor’s will?”
“That we fight and die.”
“What is death?”
“It is our duty.”
Hah. I HEARD that :D
@@Drakio95 Me too...
The Black Templars are actually one of the only Chapters that venerate the Emperor as a literal god. Though I think at the point of writing Helsreach I’m not sure they had confirmed that was the case. I’m sure somebody else knows exactly when. Oddly now in lore the Templars and Sororitas are very closely linked in their shared faith considering they fought against each other on Terra during the War of Apostasy.
This
Yes, the book was written quite a long time ago, and does not fully comply with the current codex. This is why Grimaldus denies the Emperor's divinity sometimes (if I remember correctly).
@@mallus1313 Nah this book complies with the 5th edition codex and they where extremely religious in that one. This whole book was a subversion of Grimaldus' page in the Codex from back then. The who reason he said that line, "I have dug my grave in this place, I will either triumph or I will die." is because that's in the codex. Also why it's so out of place. I mean you don't monologue to a guy trying to kill you while he has use of both arms and can still stab you.
Black Templars in a nutshell:
- Badass speeches
- Badass armour
- Badass lore
- A complete disregard of tactics
- Very holy
- Extreme prejudice against heretics
- Dying in the most spectacular way possible
- Biggest assholes amongst the astartes
- Always crusading, so ignoring the idicoy of chapter size.
- A complete distaste for psykers
Edit: keep on handing me more to add to the list plz lol.
Bruh 1 year later and I forgot I even made this comment.
- Always crusading, so ignoring the idiocy of limits on chapter sizes.
You left out one: Biggest assholes among the Astartes.
Complete disdain for psykers. They don't even maintain a librarius
So this is what happens when you get the lore exclusively from 1d4chan and memes
They prefer to be on the offensive, instead of defense. That's part of the reason why Grimaldus really didn't want to be left behind, as well as why he had that argument with the Salamanders about holding vs chasing down the boss.
@17:25 the reason Beyard is saying that isn’t to be insulting, it’s him actually acknowledging Grimaldus slowly coming into his own and taking Mordreds place proper. He was admitting that he believed when Grimaldus took the post he shouldn’t have, but witnessing his growth and spiritualness through the campaign he’s come to respect him.
It’s also Grimaldus agreeing with Beyard. Believing he shouldn’t have got the spot as their were other more suited to it.
*_As Grimaldus is further steeped in death and battle, the graphics and art style becomes sharper and more colorful, emphasizing what Black Templars are truly meant for. After the battle is concluded, everything is back to drab line filters again._*
I've heard it was to reflect Grimaldus' state of mind. Him being plagued by Mordred's death is his story arc, he then gets better as a leader as recognised by his comrades, culminating in the last battle. Then he's plagued by survivor's guilt.
Listen, The Sons of Dorn are not much when it comes to social tact, much like their Primarch. Rogal Dorn could’ve missed and received a hug from a long lost brother and he would just stand their awkwardly. There’s the objective and there’s the obstacles, which is everything that stands in the way of the objective.
Might as well talk to the Wall cuz the Fist ain't listening.
Why would you expect baseline human responses from transhuman super soldiers. Astartes might seem awkward almost autistic as they have little need of empathy and other fuzzy thinking , as to them such things are irrelevant to their primary function of finding the enemies of the Imperium and fucking their shit up in the most expedient way possible.
It's the price to be paid for specialisation.
Not all astartes, sons of Dorn in particular are autistic as was the primarch himself. Blood Angels and their successors will have much better emotional skills because their geneseed comes from Sanguinius. Just like all the Ultra Marines chapters are good at organizing books and how Dark Angels are handy with crossbows. It all depends on the geneseed.
@@glandhound How about Iron Warriors and Nightlords?
@@glandhound Ok. So consider someone who's career military, because of their specialist training, the way they think and act could seem "odd" to a civilian. So take that to the extreme of the Astartes. From childhood they are mentally and physically conditioned, augmented and genetically enhanced with abilities beyond any baseline human. I would say they are not "autistic" but refined for a very specific purpose, so they would too find us "odd".
1. The 7th Legion have always been stoic and taciturn from the start, out of necessity as the recruits had to be able to withstand implantation that was painful even by Astartes standards.
2. The 9th Legion's geneseed quirk allowed recruits to be picked from mutant humans. Also they have a hyperactive Omophagea which allows them to quickly learn by drinking the blood and eating flesh of friends and foes. Unfortunately they quickly gained a reputation as cannibalistic berserkers. It was only after being reunited with Sanguinus that they would find balance through embracing the best of humanities virtues; art, sculpture, music, philosophy, debate etc. The likes of the Flesh Tearers could be said to have regressed to their old ways.
3. The 13th Legion's geneseed quirk manifested in high trait orderliness and respect for authority. This was useful at their founding when recruiting from newly conquered tribes on Terra.
Guilliman trained them to think clearly before acting. Finding balance between theoretical ideas and practical experience.
4.Tbh the Space wolves for the most part seem to be some of the more well adjusted Astartes. The banter, boasting, insults and (relatively) playful punches in the face help keep their egos in check. While the ritualistic importance of remembering and retelling of the sagas, many flagons of Mjod and plates of curried goat all help the process of dealing with the loss of fallen brothers.
All legions/chapters have evolved to deal with their quirks in different ways, some better than others.
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Iron Losers can go dig a ditch lol.
Night "super edge" lords can go sulk in their bedrooms and listen to "Fields of Nephilim".
No, I definitely don't have any strong opinions on either.
"By a sharp stick" aka. The most ancient and most commonly used weapon in all armies across entire world.
I have feeling that one particular stick was once part of the temple fense.
@@HappyAspid so you are saying it was a holy stick
A few things to note.
First, yes, you were right on the money with your assessment that Astartes are emotionally stunted and have issues with both empathy and self reflection. It is trained, brainwashed and possibly surgically and genetically altered outbof them, in order to create superior warriors. They aren't immune to emotions, which is a big reason why Chaplains and Reclusiarchs exist, but they have difficulty grasping the idea that trauma does get to them, and to what degree. Related to this is that it's common practice to put ancient dreadnoughts into stasis when not ready to fight or giving advice, as the centuries of PTSD and the trauma of being confined to a life supporting coffin can drive them mad if they don't have something to keep them occupied. The process of becoming an Astartes grants superhuman resilience and strength, and lessened fear, but robs them of humanity and empathy. Grimaldus starting to clutch at some of it, even trying to converse with Andrej shows that he has regained some of it through his experience at Helsreach, which is frankly amazing character growth, considering that he began thinking that his assignment there was a worthless death, and him being petulant and moody, even needlessly sadistic.
The exchange with Sindel was interesting for a few reaons. One, he doesn't bow because, as Reclusiarchs, he is something of a bishop in Astartes terms. He is roughly close in heirarchy to Sundel's place as Prioress. Second, as you correctly judged, the lack of empathy plays a big role here. They came in almost expecting to be heartily welcomed, overlooking the fact that they just rocked up without permission, right at the last moment. This is made worse by the fact that the Sororitas are essentially nuns with guns, who wondered why the hell they weren't around when the rest of the district was attacked if they cared so much about the sacred places of the world, and now suddenly changed their minds. Sindel made a pretty decent guess by insinuating that some Astartes would have sacrificed all for the Imperium's ideals, then there are those, like the Black Templars, who cared only about glory, but she did add that both extremes are Astartes, subtly suggesting that perhaps they can still yet change that. The eyes thing is weird, but I take it to mean that both Zahar and Sindel saw a certain kindness and beauty in the eyes of what is usually a cold and heartless breed of superhuman, both his vulnerability that he hides in his mask and his redeeming trait that could be tapped into to make him more than just another Astartes soldier. The anointment is very much like an older style, where a priest or priestess would merely touch the oil or holy water to the brow of the one being anointed, a gentle gesture, but one that contrasts nicely with the harshness of battle. Interestingly enough too, when Sindel says that it brings clarity to the lost and doubting, he only refutes being lost, and he responds to the statement that he can walk without guilt in a way that suggests that he has had guilt. He saw himself as beneath Mordred and wanted to fill those shoes perfectly, wracked with doubt and guilt about having to do so and whether or not he even could. This lead to darkness and brooding, and even less emotional maturity than the typical Astartes levels, but twice now, he had people saying that he had something beautiful in his spirit, and on several occasions, he has had others put faith in him, so he obviously had some worthiness and good to offer, he just needed to find his place and do it his way.
As for the smaller walker, that was a Warhound Titan, a small (By Titan standards) unit, designed to either offer support against standard armour or to scout and harass bigger Titan units in support of their own larger Titans. The two mechs it ran between are Warlord Titans, medium sized Titans with heavy weaponry, all dwarfed by Zahar's Emperor class Titan. It really shows how big Godbreaker, the Ork super Titan was, when Stormherald, which normally towered over even the Ork Gargants, was smaller than it by a bit.
Bayard, the Emperor's Champion, showed typical headstrong attitude of those who take on the role. It's a good highlight to show that Grimaldus was finally starting to grow up, dismissing his condescension of the Imperial Guard, lecturing him on how the Imperium was born in moments like that, when all walks of humanity stood together, and then accepting him saying that he spoke against his ascension.
The one with the chainsword was Bastilan, the sergeant, who got killed while distracted by Priamus hesitating in picking up the Black Sword.
It was interesting that they all died in reflections of their traits. Kador was getting older, and was ambushed. Bayard was cocky, typical of Emperor's Champions, who are revered as being holy and often let that get to their heads, and he was killed by a spear, not an Ork Nob or champion of any kind. Bastilan was inspiring, yet not a leader, a middle ground warrior, and got killed because he was focussed on trying to inspire action in Priamus. Nerovar was the meeker one, yet noted to be quietly resilient, and died valiantly, pulling himself down the spear that impaled him, his last action being to kill the one who impaled him with his knife. Priamus, the hotshot, who wanted to be known for his glory, was panicking, driven to his knees and burned alive by a Burna jet to the back, an irony, given his mockery of Kador being shot in the back. Arterion died back to back with Grimaldus, still holding his standard, after turning around to say goodbye to him, even at the end, setting himself aside for Grimaldus. It's wonderfully poetic, really.
The choice of the temple was very important and symbolic. It's one of the first temples built there, and also it shows that he saw his potential sacrifice as being able to be one of martyrdom for the Imperium's ideals, a far cry from where he started, bemoaning the fact that he couldn't earn his worth by accruing personal glory.
The woman Andrej wanted to marry, by the way was Captain Domoska, the one he was with at D16 West. It's kinda sad that the story implies that she died, and he never got his happily ever after (As much as any Guardsman ever could). He did get promoted, and it was either through attrition or because Grimaldus told of his good deeds. Maybe both.
The end definitely shows that despite their reputation, Astartes can have survivor's guilt, as he apologised for being alive when his brothers aren't. They died so that he can return a wiser man and fulfil his duty as Reclusiarch.
His speech was an excellent reflection of how he finally understood the lessons that were to be taught, that it's not about one being more glorious than another, instead all are equal if they do their bit to bring illumination to the bleak darkness of the universe they live in. Kinda fitting that he begins the story by stating that he wears the blackest of the black, and ends by saying that those who bring the light to darkness are to be honoured and respected, and that being at Helsreach taught him that.
Then there's the end line, such a perfect line. "Hero of Helsreach, the crowd cheers. As if there was only one"
În regards to the super weapon trope,
in the book itself that part had been solved far before the last stand in the cathedral district as the conversation between Grimaldus and Jurisian happened way before that moment.
Grimaldus ordered Jurisian to not even attempt to go to Helsreach and go directly to the front at the Hemlock river that was fairing much better.
Only after Princeps Zaha died and the rest of the Titan legion fucked off of the city they met with Jurisian and of course instantly accused him of being a heretek for stealing their stuff.
Jurisian pretty much just black mailed the mechanicus guys to go back to Helsreach and continue fighting in exchange of surrending the ordinatus to them once they are done.
The battle against the Mega Gargant was also much different. The Titans distracted it by shooting, shining lights and blasting horns at it while running circles around it with the remaining tank regiments flanking the gargant and a part of the orks attacking, their plan was to lure the gargant out of the city to give Jurisian a better chance of killing it without taking half the remains of the city with him
the thing is from what is pointed out above is space marines were trained and surgically enhanced to not have hesitations like normal humans, they are expected to look and anaylsis the battle and be immediately able to find the best response to any situation at a faster speed then normal commanders. A reduced speed not in the standard of the chapters would definitely be questioned and any promotion to a leadership role would be declined or not without some serious trials like Helsreach for grimaldus
All of those walkers are titans. All Legio Invigilata.
smaller one being a Warhound specifically
Warhound retreating under a pair of Warlords
@@F14thunderhawk pretty sure it was a Warhound, a Reaver, and a Warlord. Might be wrong though, IDK.
Knights have a humanoid shape, similar to most Titans. The inhumanoid skull / bridge makes it certain that that was a Warhound class Scout Titan.
@@wulferikgebhardt5312 a warhound & 2 warlord titan,
"The eye thing is sort of weird." - I think you're missing out on something very important there. The character is a Chaplain, a High Reclusiarch of the BLACK TEMPLARS. A chapter that has been crusading for 10,000 years in order to xenocide & purge the heretic. He wears as Skull Helm, which is designed to intimidate and threaten; he's supposed to be stoic. Hard. Unfeeling. But we realize, through the series, that he's very, very human. *Vulnerable.*
That is why that line is so significant. She's not commenting on him having aesthetically pleasing eyes. She's saying "You're human." Something, for reference, most Sisters of Battle believe Astartes not to be. So that line? From someone so prestigious within the Sisterhood? That's VERY significant. You're not a huge lore nerd like I am, which is why you missed it. But that was not a weird line. It was VERY powerful and a total badass move from her.
She's basically saying *"I recognize you as being worthy of my presence."* The fact that she even manages to get him to bow in front of her shows how much control she has of the situation.
"Hero of Helsreach, as if there was only one." That hits right in the feels man.
I’d really recommend the full audiobook, lots more detail, much more dramatic and shows how Grimaldus actually changes as a leader by the end
The thing about Oberon is that it's a starship-grade weapon on a tank, that's why it's a rather spectacular weapons platform for ground combat
Its like the Tiger Tank of 40k
@@irishwristwatch2487 Untrue, the Oberon was useful and contributed in meaningful ways to the war effort. ;P
@@uberdjura4003 Valid point haha. Maybe a 40k A-10?
@@irishwristwatch2487 Oberon mounts a Nova Cannon. It's be similar to somehow mounting a 16" battleship cannon onto a Ford F250. And then firing it.
@@irishwristwatch2487 mmh more like a Sturmtiger
Dreadnoughts are astarties who are too wounded to fight that are essentially permanently entombed / plugged into a walking tank, imperial knights are the larger than dreadnoughts piloted by one person and are owned by the adeptus mechanicus. The walking war machines you saw were TITANS. Multiple crew are needed, very tall and wield battleship class weaponry and void sheilds. also owned by the mechanicus. Often reffered to as gods of war. Hence the name TITAN. the small one you saw walking is a scout titan called a war-hound.
Knightly houses come in three groups, Mechanicus knights, Imperial knights and Free blades. Because of the treaties the Emperor made with the Mechanicus, half of the nightly houses went to them, but they perform all repairs and maintenance on all knights. Free blades serve no particular house and serve as knights errant, serving on whichever battlefield they choose, sometimes to regain any honor they may have lost, sometimes for glory, sometimes as mercenaries in the employ of the Imperium, and sometimes because to seek vengeance because their house was destroyed or became traitors.
@@oldeskul but due to them being mechanical, they tend to always have close ties to the admech.
I always took the animation changes where supposed to be related to Grimaldus mental state/state of mind. It gets more cleaner as he gets more clarity, then when he's the only survivor of his brothers when he was so sure he was going to die it reverts. I am 100% pulling this out of my ass though.
even if it is a coincidence it makes sense to me and it fits.
Nah, it’s an actual ordeal people deal with in moments of high stress. Like clarity in the eye of the storm, after a threshold is hit humans begin to ‘normalize’ in the chaos around them, their breathing, thoughts, and perspective can momentarily become ‘clean.’ Think of it like ‘fight or flight’ having a second level to it beyond adrenaline and panic. Or post-nut-clarity.
nah you right
yeah the more the battle progressed. the more real and colorful it became. and then back to no battle or death.
I look at the barbs between the Reclusiarch and Emperor’s Champion as an impromptu confession.
Like:
“… I didn’t want you to rise in rank. Think of me however you will.”
“Well if we’re gonna be honest with each other, I didn’t want it.”
"As if there is only one... "
Gets me every time, and is equally true for most conflicts
Regarding the choice of how and where to die (which is extremely important for Grimaldus for very petty reasons) it ties back to the annihilation of the chapter who's battle barge crashed in the first days of the battle (where Priamus were knocked out). In the book Grimaldus have a couple of flash backs to the majesty and glory of their last stand and wish something similar for himself
Grimaldus state of mind and the question of if he's the right choice as Reclusiarch or not is a prominent theme in in the book but hard to adopt to film. That's why the short exchange between Grimaldus and Bayard seems out of place when in fact, it is Bayard admitting he was wrong and that Grimaldus prover him wrong
Yeah so many great scenes and characters from the book having to be left out is sad.
The squad meeting utop Storm Herald and the Templars gazing upon the statue of Dorn.
The fighting at the dock with Andre and the Dock Instructor and their bond that would form all the way to the end.
The Forge Master meeting the fleeing elements of Invigilata and having them follow him into the Hive to fight the Ork Gargant - and a slight redemption for one of their character in him giving his life so that Jurisien gets the shot.
The pages of just fallen Templars and how they died and if their gene-seed has been collected or not.
The full final battle at the end with all 27 Surviving Templars charging in blindly to battle, Grimaldus fighting atop a Baneblade and not a stop in the action for them to reform inside the temple but them to just be pushed back and back further inside under the weight of numbers (Grimaldus laughing the entire way)
When the legions were split into chapters post-heresy, the Imperial Fists basically sent all of their psychos off to form the Black Templars.
And the Executioners
text: You have beautiful eyes
visual: dead, soulless low res blots
"Emotional intelligence like a 3"
You may be giving too much credit
There is something funny in the fact that your name is Kharn and your profile picture is Ivan the Terrible
@@reclusearchgrimaldus3680 first person to ever notice, thanks reclusearch
@@nicholasppoole my origins are in Russia. Hard not to notice.
Иван Грозный можно перевести как sinister, scaryface, formidable, потому что лицо было грозное. А так он был не таким уж кровавым тираном - на фоне того что творили в те времена другие правители.
@@Fredzerra2 это то понятно. Но в целом в западном нэте принято именно Terrible
Hail Brothers.
The Templars have always had a reputation of smite first and let the Emperor sort them out.
It's hard for an enemy to fight back if they're already in little pieces.
For Dorn and the Emperor.
For the honour of the VIIth.
The Last Wall shall never fall.
Gloria in excelsis Terra.
1. Why would you expect baseline human responses from transhuman super soldiers. Astartes might seem awkward almost autistic as to they have little need of empathy and other fuzzy thinking , as to them such things are irrelevant to their primary function of finding the enemies of the Imperium and fucking their shit up in the most expedient way possible.
It's the price to paid for specialisation?
Tbh wolves for the most part seem to be some of the more well adjusted Astartes. The banter, boasting, insults and (relatively) playful punches in the face help keep their egos in check. While the ritualistic importance of remembering and retelling of the sagas, many flagons of Mjod and plates of curried goat all help the process of dealing with the loss of fallen brothers.
2. Titan is a Warhound class scout titan.
3. After Helsreach, Grimaldus got a retinue of servitors to carry pieces of the fallen temple as relics.
4. If Oberon had been fully crewed and operational it would have immediately turned the tide as it is virtually a mobile fortress that had horrendously powerful offensive and defensive capabilities before even counting the Starfury cannon which is usually found on Imperial navy capital ships.
Ps. Paul. Persistent Nudge.
History of the Unification Wars by Oculus Imperia please and thank you. Or at least his two vids on the Blood Angels as I think the Templin vid left a lot out.
The thing about never having doubt varies from chapter/legion to chapter/legion. The Black Templars (and most other Dorne based chapters) are particularly up their own butts with this kind of thing.
The smaller walkers roaming around the titan are knights. Thier job is to patrol around for threats to the titan that are otherwise below the titan's notice such as smaller walkers, tanks, or infantry teams with heavy weapons.
Your theory on the Astartes' emotional maturity is correct. It's rarely stated in the lore but it is often wondered at by many characters with different ideas and perspectives. It also applies to the primarchs and arguably, though in a different way, the Emporer himself.
Knights werent a thing during War for Armageddon, which Helsreach is a dramatization of the United States warfront. Epic and Titanicus had been given up on.
Hell, knights as they currently exist basically were created in 6th ed from scratch, only their ranks and wargear names are shared
@@F14thunderhawk I didn't know that. But I do remember from one of the Horus Heresy books about the war within the Mechanicum on Mars they describe how the formations of different types of titan worked with and against each other. It also had a great deal of the politics between the different houses. Maybe they weren't called knights then, or maybe the book is more recent but it's definitely in the lore as far back as the great crusade that the titan legions work this way.
F's in chat for Artarion. Goodbye Brother.
O7 for the fallen brother
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The 'regular' sword is actually a power sword. A sword with a disruptor field around it.
Disruptor field being something that basically breaks molecular bonds if I remember correctly...
The thing is it's a trait of the sons of dorn to be brutally honest like dorn he never minced his words even to his brothers. So do his sons its an odd thing really. You should see space wolves when they banter they hurl insults and boasts to the end. Even long fangs who spent the longest time in the space wolves great company would happily insult a young welp or they will make sure to rub any mistake every chance they get.
Space wolves for the most part seem to be some of the more well adjusted Astartes. The banter, boasting, insults and (relatively) playful punches in the face help keep their egos in check. While the ritualistic importance of remembering and retelling of the sagas, many flagons of Mjod and plates of curried goat all help the process of dealing with the loss of fallen brothers.
If you watch "The Furry Pit" then you'll see that there is at least one way that a Black Templar does not want to die.
(quivers in fear) uuuuuhrg, dont remind me.
Brother Avenge me!!!!!!!!!.......... Avenge Meeee Brother!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pls don't watch it
If you value the sanctity of your soul, don’t watch it.
@@eatthewitch2858 Ditto. It is pure Slaneeshi Heresy in dire need of Inquisitorial attention...
Warhammer is grim and dark one of the few lights that can shine in this dark cold universe is that the courage and honor
And also a nova cannon beaming Morse codes at you
While I do love the artistic drawing/animating of Helsreach, there is a fair few story 'adjustments'. The majority are harmless but the Stormherald vs Worldkiller fight is the one that actually bothers me. In short, the bit where Stormherald fires at Worldkiller with its plasma weapon and Worldkiller ripping off Stormheralds head happens within 2 seconds of each other. There's no back and forth arguing. The Princeps is basically dead (again), the entire crew is beyond exhausted and Stormherald is barely functioning. They fire because they feel like theres no time left, and there probably wasn't.
Other 'adjustments' that i'm aware of include: The entire Black Templar force clear the area around the crashed orc ship in ep 1, not just the 5 'stars' who enter the ship.
Grimaldus doesn't talk the Princeps back from the dead, he berates/shouts/swears and hints at her being a heretic, it was anger that brought her back, not memory of a sworn oath.
The Sisters of Battle take no part in the defense of Helsreach, when the Orcs assault the Church they all stay in the Catacombs. They even kill guardsmen trying to go there for medical aid and state any who open the doors to the Catacombs will die, regardless of who/what it is. For obvious reasons i'm glad this one is changed, cause that is some extremely heretical bullshit. That's like soldiers in a COP deciding to *only* defend the Command Bunker when under assault.
Someone else commented something similar to this on one of the helsreach vids but they made a point about the art style changing throughout the animation and then going back to the original style for the end kind of resembled Grimaldus's emotional state in a way. the changes start when the fighting begins and the world is flooded with color and only when the fighting is over, and Grimaldus is the last of his brothers does the world go back to black and white.
The building did collapse at the end, they did dig them out of the destroyed cathedral.
He's definitely dealing with survivor's guilt. Marine combat vet myself here, I know that's not easy.
I was hoping to hear about the reaction to the Kaedor's death. Having to process the loss while still having to get to work.
@@chainer8686 agreed.
Primus uses a power sword in all his scenes
The small titan is a warhound titan. They act as destroyers to skirmish knights, warhoundtitans, warlord titans or emperator titans. An imperator class titan doesn't need to worry about enemies getting the drop on them because warhounds are designed to find and harass the enemy
I mean isn’t survivors guilt a staple of PTSD?
You do not give Adeptes Soraritas orders or tactical advice. If you try to the best case scenario is they totally ignore you. To paraphrase the Hero of the Imperium Commissar Ciaphas Cain "the best way to use the Soraritas is to point them at the enemy and shout HERTIC" remembering to get out of their way first. Seriously read those books, while ostentatiously more humourous in tone in many ways offers glimpses into the everyday life in the Imperium. They are just fun to read with an actually intelligent and relatable main character.
And again with much sadness I must call you a lier. For continuously calling yourself a mere reaction channel when you are not so much reacting as analysing and then explaining it through real world history.
Naw, you cant even wield the Argent Shroud that way. You just have to pray youre not between them and the target before they start fighting. Once theyre ready they go and achieve whatever Departmento approved mission objectives they deem fit, and then leave. In this case: Prioress Mom wants to save her daughter's life so they will be the indomitable wall.
Black templars are actually very religious, they were among the first of the loyalists to worship the emperor.
Much to Dorns annoyance
This angered Sigismund's genefather, who punished him severely.
Thank you for reacting to this man! Awesome to see it from you! Also why it comes back to black and white is to repredent Grimaldus state of mind, as in deep grief and pain, because he could not share the same fate as them, either death or victory. He failed to achieve both and feels psrt empty because of it
Buildings can be rebuilt but my man's face is gone forever.
really well made stuff. love how the guard behave different to the marines and showing subtle emotion here and there even for the marines.
A space marine can operate weeks on end but even astartes requires sleep and rest, it’s akin to say a British fort being held off against the taliban, only for the Americans to arrive at the last second. Despite the Americans also suffering massive losses to get to the British asking where the hell they’ve been, vs fighting non stop just to reach the British fort. Just to paint a picture of the situation in modern terms
10:40 they do have ptsd, biggest example are the ravenguard during the crusade, they were used to attack civilians which colapsed them mentality. When they found their primarch Corvus, he changed that practice as he knew his men weren't made for that type of warfare.
29:00 the emperor champion always bite the dust, they always die, thats their only job: go pick a fight, win and die. On the sword, that one is a powersword, the one with a chainsword was the apothecary.
Apothecary doesnt have a chainsword either. He has a compact surgical board called a Chiurgeon's tools. it has a Chain-Scalpel so he can cut through ceramite armor.
That was Warhound Scout titan
To answer an implied question, Bayard tells him that because he is glad the high Marshall didn't listen to the astartes who had issues with it! His voice being one of the few that did, and he says this because before he dies he wants grimaldus to know that he was wrong about his privately held beliefs. I don't think that's either an insult or disrespectful in any way and quite dignified and honorable
A lot of people reacting to the part where the Emperor's Champion tell Grimaldus that "I'm one of the few that spoken against your ascension to reclusiarch." and taken it as an insult toward him. Which I believe isn't the intending purpose. Grimaldus answered "I would of said the same in your shoes" isn't a clap back, but an agreement that he don't think he is right for the job either.
The flashback scene at the start is the hint, showing how Grimaldus is trying to become his former Master who died instead of becoming his own person for the role. A much earlier part where one of his squadmate call him out about "his darkness is spreading to the rest of the crusade" is for this.
TL;DR: It's not an insult, he said that because he cared and don't want Grimaldus to carry that burden when he isn't ready. These people know each other for hundreds of years, so their bonds allowed them to be frank to each other with no hard feeling.
That's the second time you seemed to say marital instead of martial :)
Pretty similar.
Endless war were only in death does duty end.🤔🤣
At 6:22 that is a warhound titan. Also known as a scout titan, the smallest class of Imperial titan.
fun fact, in a friendly get together between the salamanders and the blood angels, the chapter master of the salamanders proclaimed to dante chapter master of the blood angels that he had his doubts about his abilities to command, upon wich dante, a far older person gave him the advise, we are still human, the fact that we are stronger and live longer does not change this, we make mistakes and should aim to correct them, wich means that space marines do feel doubt and can be hampered by thier emotions, they only show less of it,.
the qoute though could be somewhat different since it been some time since i last read it, but it was in this spirit.
I’m fairly sure the “regular” sword is a power sword. Basically a normal sword with a plasma torch that can be ignited along the blade to cut through armor. The black sword is probably warpstone.
Part of the training and indoctrination a Space Marine goes through does include hypnotherapies and things to affect their mental and emotional states. With the Grey Knights they even erase all their past memories to make it so Daemons have nothing to use against them or tempt them with, because their big focus is fighting Daemons. So a big part of it is to make them not able to think or act like normal humans, despite being human originally. It doesn't help that they are usually selected around the age of 10.
12:40 The Black templars are some of the most zealous emperor botherers there is.
Casually insulting your best friends is the best form of friendship.
One thing that's worth noting is that Space Marines don't tend to use cover for the sole reason that there is very little in the universe that is a threat to pierce their armour that wouldn't also ignore anything they would use as cover. Exceptions, of course, apply, like with spaceship combat where the walls can stand up firepower that could easily penetrate their armour.
To explain the war machines you see in this:
The small one that was running away from the Ork Gargant was a Warhound Class Titan.
The warhound is the smallest Titan and is usually given to that of newest Principes to help train them in becoming close to the machine as well as give them a machine with less of its own will - every Titan class has its own machine spirit that “literally” wants to take over. Warhound Titans have the least with a more docile one which most Imperial tech has.
Warhound will usually be deployed in pairs. Their duty is to scout the enemy positions and do some quick harassment before pulling back and reporting to their superiors with the larger Titans.
The next two you see are Riever Titans. These Titans are the second biggest and somewhat more your medium class battle line Titan. Their duty is to primarily fight on the battle line. Their slightly tougher to control than a Warhound - I.e. suppress the Machine Spirits urges - however are usually given to those principes of regular or standard skill.
Warlord Titans are the next biggest. These are much larger and covered in a lot more weaponry and have a much more living machine spirit. These are usually give to Veteran Principes to be used in the Battleline/command Titans. This will likely be the biggest Titan you will see in most Titan Battlegroups.
Emperor Class Titans are the Largest and what Zachar was using. These mechs are beyond rare and only found used and within specific Titan legions of honour (most are literally their from their founding over 10,000 years ago). Emperor Class Titans will always be a battle groups command Titan and has the most hardest and alive machine spirit to control. This is why only the most Elite of Principe are ever given command over these Titans.
Also to expand on the whole Machine Spirit thing. You’ll have saw in Episode 10 & 11 that Zachar was getting a set of robotic like images playing in her head. This is the Titans Machine Spirit.
A Titans Machine Spirit is literally a living thing with its own mind - its mind mostly set to one purpose, to fight as that was what it was created for. As such a Principes in assigned to a Titan to take human control over the machine as well as bond/override the machines own will and spirit.
However, the Machines Spirit will begin to also slowly eat away/degrade a Principes mind/life the more it’s bonded with them. A lesser Titans Machine Spirit may take decades to even slowly weaken its pilots willpower and begin somewhat breaking its pilots control over it. However, Titans such as Emperor Class Titans are known for burning through their pilots within a handful of years. Some are so powerful in spirit they will legit go through 2 Principe a year - these machines are usually kept shut down and carefully taken care of as to ease the machines spirit until a time of requirement. At which point they will give it a pilot and hope that the sacrifice of said man will be worth it.
That’s not a dreadnought or an Imperial Knight. Those are Warhound class Titans. The smallest of their kind, also known as “scout Titans” they work with larger class Titan classes to act as scouts and relay information to their larger Titan brothers. However, even by themselves they are still extremely powerful on the battlefield, with heavy lascannons, and can wreck enemy armor and infantry alike. They’re so powerfully compact, two of them guard the entrance to the Emperor’s own throne room.
Remember that Titans have a strong machine spirit which means that Stormherald itself was hugely disappointed in the Moderati's decision. Stormherald was also an Imperator class Titan and I'm not sure even Cawl can rebuild those. Real dumb decision.
Surprisingly Imperators can be restored and even built from scratch in 40k, but it is a process that can take century or more to finish. I think only knowlege to build Reaver Titans was lost recently due to losing STC to Apocalypse Missile Launcher.
Aren't titans the one thing the imperium actually knows how to make, it just take a long ass time.
@@georgethompson1460
They know how to make plenty even if it isn't fully understood. Somebody even told me Imperator-class Titans can be built anew, while, of course, taking very many years. But Land Raiders etc. are churned out all the time.
Also yes, SM get PTSD. Clear common examples are mostly Chaos Space Marines like Iron Warriors in the novels, the Crimson Slaughter with the "curse" put upon them. For the Loyalist side look upon Ultramarines in the Horus Heresy and in videogame for check Down of War 2 Chaos Rising.
In the beging that was a Warhound class scouting Titan with 2 Warlord class Battle Titans vs a ork gargant.
The Templars are actually one of the few chapters that do worship the Emperor as a God instead of supremely awesome human like most other Chapters.
Thats how their chapter was founded and why they are on a Eternal Crusade, basically the First Captain of the Imperial Fists Legion Sigismund was disowned by their father Dorn due to him being religiose.
After the Legions where split into chapters he took all those who regarded the Emperor as a god and swore to not rest until all the enemies of mankind are defeated and humanity is in a golden age in hopes to find forgiveness for their transgression against their father and the Emperor
In answer to your question about swords, the standard chain sword has a guard on one side. Think of a chainsaw with a protective cover on the top part of the blade. Then there's the eviserator with both sides exposed making it dangerous to handle but deadlier. There's also Power swords that look like regular swords but are charged with a power field like the black sword we see near the end of this episode. Primus likes to fight with a power sword and most of the others use a chain swords I think.
A bit late but I don’t think Bayard was insulting Grimaldus by saying he spoke against him becoming chaplain. I think it was more of an apology saying he didn’t think he was worthy of the job but now seeing him in action he does think him worthy.
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Actually they didn’t like each other but grew on each other over the war.
In regards to the PTSD argument you made.
The issue with Primus's attitude, ist PTSD. Most Astartes view themselves as above humanity. They were hand picked frim a small sect of humanity. Survived grueling trials that killed 90 percent of other applicants. And have been given augmentations and wargear from the emperor's own hand. They are his sword.
They live hundreds of years, are basically immune to sickness. Remember the big tiff between the Salamanders and Grimaldi's? Taking an enemy's head vs the lives of several thousand civilians. Human life is not generally prioritized to the mission.
Thus she's back talking terminators With demigod complexes.
The oath Grimaldus speaks of at the end is a promise to tell Andre’s superiors about how he and a squad of dock workers who where under his command saved the marine squad’s lives on the way to the temple.
As far as space marine toughness goes Grimaldus’ table top mini has special rules that if reduced to zero wounds you are allowed to roll a dice and on a successful roll he survives with 1 wound left
it is a big part of the space marines mentality that they are very much not human anymore and pretty socially awkward . the book actually touches on this when Primus is with that dying girl on the walls , he just cant relate to her and how shes feeling in any way and feels a huge disconnect. Thats probably my biggest criticism of this animation is he left out some very important stuff that was just said in narration and mostly just uses dialog 90% of time
A chain sword is so neccessary when dealing with Orks. You need to cause as much trauma as possible to put them down
Mostly because half of the temple district was lost to the enemy leaving the seroritas high and dry, vs the docks falling leaving helsreachs back completely exposed, diverting valuable men and materials as well as losing your only means of support via such as fuel and ammunition.
27:15 - If you're a Guardsman and you participated in a battle WITH Space Marines AND Sisters of Battle it's generally acknowledged that you witnessed a religious miracle.
And with chainswords, one side IS the chain-blade and the other side is covered to prevent the wielder from accidentally hitting themselves (or others) with it. However, some fighters DO remove the protective cover to make the chainsword ALL blade.
Andrej didn't get promoted due to attrition, he actually did several noteworthy deeds that came to the attention of Grimauldus, who then passed it on to his commamders, and when an astartes, particularly a reclusiarch puts in a good word for you on your deeds, that's gonna make the high command look upon you very favourably. After all the astartes are often seen as angels of the Emperor.
In the book it explains they do not kneel because the space marines see themselves above normal humans. Same reason why Grimaldus, again, doesn't kneel and leans over instead when getting anointed.
I think you missed the point at T=17:00. Bayard wasn't firing shots at him. He was reflecting on the change that has occurred in Grimaldus. If you remember at the beginning Grimaldus was in a dark place, and felt that his death would be futile on this planet. Now he has accepted his fate and pushes those around him to have faith in each other, and if they are to die that it wont be in futility but rather that these moments are the moments that define the Imperium. Bayard is recognizing that change and so is Grimaldus.
Bayard's and Arterion's blades are power swords. They have tech in them that essentially forms a power field around the blades and allows them to pierce through even some of the hardest shit.
And regarding the "nobody will believe you" thing, it would be easily believable actually. Sororitas have been fighting and dying for a considerable time throughout the war for Helsreach now, after all.
Knock, knock.
Who's there?
Rogal.
Rogal who?
Rogal Dorn.
Near as good as when Rogal Dorn returns someone should ask him if he needs a "hand"🤣🤣🤣🤣....no...nothing...??
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The small titan is a Warhound scout titan. its fast and a scout by titan standard... But its still a titan.
Black templars are pretty unique chapter that actually do worship the emperor as a god.
Space marine do actually feel fear, but they deal with it differently.
And Grimaldus did tell Aundrey's superiors, that he saved the Black templars' bacon. Which -as you said- probably went a long way when there are so brutal attrition.
Also i loved how you make a theory about space marine losing the ability to understand humans, which Grimaldus then seemingly confirms later on.
Awesome video!
The smaller Titan is called a Warhound Titan. They're the scout units for titan formations.
For every medal of honor thousand heroes die in loneliness. Unsung...unnoticed.
32:43 the Mega-Gargant, known as Godbreaker, just took the equivalent of the power of a star to the face.
In terms of lore it should have melted even if the shot missed.
Those are 40k gravestones probably made out of some overpowered material
“A chapter that doesn’t worship the emperors as a god”🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Well done Paul also for the commentary
A large aspect of death in battle for space marines always goes back to the Emperor's sacrifice and his fall with his battle with Horus. The Space Marine from the very beginning has been trained and taught to be warriors and defenders of humanity and that to aluminate what the emperor did at the end would be greatest honor and expectation for them. We have to remember this is a religious and warrior culture, as such despite being very shorted sighted, expectations is put more in dying in battle over more logical actions. Albeit this went to the extreme after the Horus Heresy.
People often compare the Imperium to the Soviets and Germans of WWII but really despite having similar appearance, alot of the cultural and doctrines of the Imperium is actually more similar to WWII Imperial Japan.
The Ork titan is called a Gargant btw, in this case it's a variant called a Mega-Gargant
There are no knights or dreadnaughts; all of them are varying 'forms' of Titans of different scales. The first one with the wolf-like head, the Warhound, is the smallest variant of Titan and is used for pulling targets/reconnaissance/smaller targets. The larger ones are varying Titans (Looks to be Warlord-Class Titans). The Stormherald, the leading Titan that Grimaldos talks to in the vat/liquid tube, runs an Imperator (Emperor)-Class Titan
There are 4 types of Titians, from smallest to largest: Warhound, Reivers, Warlords, and Imperators. The main difference is they get slower better armored and they get more secondary weapon mounts (0, 1, 2, 6 respectively) In Helsreach the book, they where always there. The Princeps commanded a few group but the battles they where fighting where huge, lots of explosions and destruction so think he cut it to soften the work load. Really there are whole sections of the book missing. Like that guy in the beginning that fought with the Black Templars before when Grimaldus was meeting with the officers, he had a whole thing but in this you never see him again. Also there was a side story about a group trapped behind enemy lines and the docks thing was pretty long. Also you get more than 5 Black Templars fighting. But the audiobook is like 12 hours long I think, so you know.
13:00 Well the other side to that is Primus was a bit of a prick.
17:17 that's another example of the book adding more context. That conversation was more of "I didn't think you where the man for the job but you grew into it" it wasn't "you suck". But they where talking for a while.
"Surely they feel the desire of self-preservation"
Yeah I don't think anyone was a desire of self-preservation would become a Space Marine
His eyes are referenced because the men are hardened veterans and killers. He has yet to lose his kindness and love like his brothers. He still holds and cares for humanity. Also their emotional maturity is greater than the rest. They don’t lie to each other because it would be an insult. Also they challenge each other this way. Use anger and turn it into energy to kill and hate the enemy. Ah one more thing. The Black Templars lore was they recruited the most deadliest and psychopathic murderers for their cause.
for your question at 28:50 those are 2 diffrenc characters. the one with the chainsword is the apothecari (medic with more white on the armor) and the one in the scene here is another astartes. both have diffrent weapons. one is the chainsword the otherone a powersword.
Imperial swords come in about five different grades. Normal sharpened metal, mono blades, chain blades, (which are what you'd expect), lathe blades (think mono but with funky space magic materials made with special gravitational conditions that make them stupidly durable despite being mono-blades), and power weapons, which are really, really good. I think they're using Lathe blades because of the lack of power field. Regardless, the weapons they're using are at least one step above chainswords.
Er, to elaborate there is technically one grade higher, Force weapons, which can explode thinking enemy on giving them a papercut, but those are psyker exclusive. Those are functionally a power weapon that doubles as psy-focus/hypodermic needle for their powers, hence letting them instantly kill you on a graze thing. Once they puncture they can effectively set off any sort of nasty psychic ability they want right inside you, defaulting to completely frying whatever passes as your entire nervous system.
The "knight" you refer to is a Warhound titan which would be an escort to the larger titan used by the Legio Invigilata.
The titan is a war hound scout titan, the apothecary is the one with the chain sword you hear and see. The other weapons in the group like the mace grimaldus uses has a power field around the head same with the swords except the blades are sharp down to the molecular level.