Thank you so much for showing all you did. It will make my job easier, as I will do the same thing. My metal shop isn't as big as yours but the concept is the same.
Honestly...that was the plan all along, until I put 2 test sheets up on the wall shiny side out. I felt like I was in a tanning booth and immediately decided the white side would be showing.
@@EverythingElliott either way, I’m glad I saw that you used this foam. Seems like a great alternative to paying the price for spray foam. Plus, you can do it a little at a time while moving stuff off the walls like I’m going to have to do in my building.
I have watched over 20 different videos about how to install rigid foam boards, and your video is the best. It is 9:30 p.m. eastern time, November 25th, 2023. I do have questions I would like to ask since I have never done this before. I have a metal building that will become my shop. How long does it take for a reply? Cynthia from North Carolina
I'm always checking comments...I didn't see a question besides how long does it take for a reply, so in this case the answer to that is approximately 23 minutes. I usually get back to people within a couple hours.
Nice job, i I thought the walls would be a problem but looks sweet, my question is I guess you put the silver side to the metal so the foam won’t absorb the condensation? What kind of heater are you running… is it NG or oil?
I put the silver side out because I felt like I was in a tanning booth when I put 2 test pieces up. The white is the same metallic material, just painted white. I run a lanair waste oil heater. I have a video from a couple months ago of me setting it up and going through it
Nice job, I have a question I know when you put up the insulation you had the reflective outside and not on the inside of the building any reason why you did it that way? And thanks to friends who helped make a big job a little smaller. Thanks Michael
The plan was to have the reflective side inward, but I put 2 test pieces up on the wall before starting the ceiling. I felt like I was in a tanning bed with just the 2 sheets I couldn’t imagine an entire shop chromed out. The white side is actually the same reflective material, just painted white.
I’ve watched a lot of videos about this, & the silver side acts as a radiant barrier, so you face it outward to keep the hot & cold out. That and the air gap prevents moisture buildup and regulates temperature.
Hello, I'm in upstate NY and came across your channel while researching insulation ideals for a metal tube building. There are so many cons over and beyond that crazy price for spray foam in a metal build. I thinking foam board but I'm also looking at Bluetex and pro 2 insulation. For foam board, I was going with 1 1/2 sheets and 1/2 inc sheet cutting into 4-inch squares with foam board spikes 5 of them glued to my metal exterior sheet per 4x8 sheet of board. The 4-inch squares would get pushed onto the spikes first to hold the 1 1/5 sheet a 1/2 inch off the wall for the air space. My question to you is how did your joining plates work on the roof and how is it all working out for you now that its been up for a while.
Those plates; in my opinion were the best option I could come up with. The insulation made a huge difference in warmth and how often my heater runs. I would do it again the same way if I had to.
I have a wood framed pole barn and also wanted to do spray foam. But like you said, cost prohibited. Good to hear the foam board is making that big a difference and looking forward to seeing how well it does in the future when it's complete. Also, what are your future plans for a wall covering?
as of right now, I have no future plans for wall coverings.... Things seem to be working well they way they are, any further steps would be cosmetic in nature, and for me, cosmetic is not necessary, as I would rather spend that money else where on attachments for the tractor, or truck parts.
@@EverythingElliott Makes sense, It's pretty cool show how you made your shop better for not a lot of money. Most of us don't have unlimited funds to go crazy building. Keep up the great content.
@@terrencejreich I could see that for getting the certificate of occupancy for a commercial or residential building, but not for an outbuilding like my shop.
@@EverythingElliott In Canada, an outbuilding requires a permit. And then it is inspected. If you insure that building then it is inspected. In both cases, this building, with uncovered foam would not pass even though it is not occupied.
If I remember correctly it took my dad and I approximately 8 hours to do the ceiling. I had him on the ground cutting while I was calling out measurements and installing.
Im less concerned with the temperature but more concerned with the sweating. I just build a 60x100 2 weeks ago. Some days it feels like it rained inside. How did this help with the sweating? I got a $50k quote to spray foam it 😲.
I have 0 issues with sweating, I don’t know if I’m the odd man out but some people tell me it rains in their shop. Currently 27 degrees out, and 72 in my shop, not a drop of water falling
My dad just said " You know, you could do the same thing with some glue and scrap wood." The man turns 78 this year and I'm curious how none of the houses he built ever just fell apart
I couldn't believe the price of the spray foam. I would have thought maybe 5k to spray foam it not knowing the cost of the materials. Prices must be really out of control on that stuff too.
Awesome, I'm considering doing a similar project! Did you have any condensation issues before insulating? Did you have to cut the foam down to size? I've noticed that the studs of my steel garage are 4' on center and the insulation comes in 4' wide pieces, so that's about 2" to cut off the edge of every sheet to make them fit. Have you had any issues with wasps or mice occupying that air gap?
Surprisingly, I didn't have any condensation issues prior to insulating. I think there was enough airflow through the building to prevent that. I did have to cut the foam sheets down, but I did buy factory miscuts so they weren't exactly 4'x8'. I don't have any issues with mice due to my resident mouser, Theodore. And wasps...I haven't seen any around, so I'd say no to that.
Hi there I came across your video looking for ways to insulate an old Butler style building, it’s like a Quonset type but it has a flat roof, and the steel is a heavier gauge. Do the foam boards not get condensation behind them ?
All the boards are friction fit, I cut each board for an exact spot on the wall and ceiling. On the walls it’s friction only. On the ceiling I used rafter ties across the steel structure to hold the board in place. I think there are 3 videos in this series, I discuss that in one of the videos. It was a while ago so I don’t remember which one exactly
Regarding this insulating video. Where did you get the boards? Looking for same with no writing on visual side. Everything i see has their dang logos all over it. Thanks ofr the vid and info.
I bought it all second hand off a guy on Craigslist. If you’re anywhere near the western NY area you shouldn’t have any issue finding him on Craigslist. He’s got a whole warehouse full of it. There’s no markings on it anywhere so I can’t even give you a manufacturer
I’m not sure, it was a year ago I don’t really remember sorry. Just take the square footage of all the walls and ceiling and divide that by the square footage of a 4x8 sheet
In the really tight sections, I just let the friction hold it up, on the boards that I was a little sloppy cutting I used the sheet rock screws. All of them have the metal ties up as a safety so they don’t fall though
Update is I love it, nice and warm in there, only issue I’ve run into is in my haste of putting them up I missed a couple of the securement ties and those pieces slid down like 6”, but that is easily remedied. No mold or condensation issues thus far
I live in FL. Same size ship but I have 16ft side walls. I wonder if I could do the samething? Any issues you can think of doing it in FL type of climate?
Cut the boards a hair big and used the pressure of the board squeezed between the tube steel. Also used joist plates screwed into the steel supporting the foam. I explained that in one of the videos.
Hope this helps. From what I have heard rigid foam board comes in three types. EPS, XPS, and Poly-iso. Please google those; I recall that EPS doesn't off gas. Examples of EPS foam board is Poly Pro or R Tech. One off the others does off gas and looses r value. I even read some types have different r values between heat and cold temperatures. Any ways, hope this helps you...
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Damn that does look nice.
Awesome that you could tell the difference immediately. Definitely worth it and the amount of money you saved is crazy. Thanks for the vids
and thank you for watching!
Thank you so much for showing all you did. It will make my job easier, as I will do the same thing. My metal shop isn't as big as yours but the concept is the same.
It’s certainly the cheapest/best bang for your buck way to insulate a shop like this!
This is good because if you ever have attic space, it's insulated!!
A beneficial side effect, if you will
Really glad I found this channel. Elliott, you do some cool stuff and I enjoy watching all of it!
Thanks for the support!
Impressive in more ways than one!! 👍
Also nice to have good friends willing to help. 👏. Glad Theodore made his supervising appearance known. 😉
I'm very grateful for the help, that job woulda been a bear by myself! And he is always milling around making sure he gives us his 2 cents.
That is going to save a lot of energy over the years. Very nicely done!
I’m very happy with the results! Thanks for watching!
I have been really enjoying watching your videos thank you for them and the hard work you do to make them
Thanks! Trying to get better every day for you guys!
Goods good, and as you say feels better.
working in a T shirt in winter is a win!
Great job Elliott! Now Mike has to finish his LOL.
I told him we were gunna race to see who finishes first
Alot of hard work Looks Great
it sure was, I was glad to have help with it!
Well done Sir! 🤘🏻😎🇺🇸
Thanks man! Gunna be nice n warm in the shop now!
great video, more theodore thankyou
He's always milling around offering advise!
I was really hoping you’d put the shiny side out like you said in the last video. I wanted to see a chrome shop! 😂
Honestly...that was the plan all along, until I put 2 test sheets up on the wall shiny side out. I felt like I was in a tanning booth and immediately decided the white side would be showing.
@@EverythingElliott either way, I’m glad I saw that you used this foam. Seems like a great alternative to paying the price for spray foam. Plus, you can do it a little at a time while moving stuff off the walls like I’m going to have to do in my building.
@@andrewsnyder1537 that’s basically the plan. Once’s it’s summer and I can put stuff outside I’ll take the shelves down
Great job
thank you!
I have watched over 20 different videos about how to install rigid foam boards, and your video is the best. It is 9:30 p.m. eastern time, November 25th, 2023. I do have questions I would like to ask since I have never done this before. I have a metal building that will become my shop. How long does it take for a reply?
Cynthia
from North Carolina
I'm always checking comments...I didn't see a question besides how long does it take for a reply, so in this case the answer to that is approximately 23 minutes. I usually get back to people within a couple hours.
Nice job
Thanks man! I’m super happy with the outcome!
Nice job, i I thought the walls would be a problem but looks sweet, my question is I guess you put the silver side to the metal so the foam won’t absorb the condensation? What kind of heater are you running… is it NG or oil?
I put the silver side out because I felt like I was in a tanning booth when I put 2 test pieces up. The white is the same metallic material, just painted white. I run a lanair waste oil heater. I have a video from a couple months ago of me setting it up and going through it
Looks great
Thanks!
Nice job, I have a question I know when you put up the insulation you had the reflective outside and not on the inside of the building any reason why you did it that way? And thanks to friends who helped make a big job a little smaller. Thanks Michael
The plan was to have the reflective side inward, but I put 2 test pieces up on the wall before starting the ceiling. I felt like I was in a tanning bed with just the 2 sheets I couldn’t imagine an entire shop chromed out. The white side is actually the same reflective material, just painted white.
I’ve watched a lot of videos about this, & the silver side acts as a radiant barrier, so you face it outward to keep the hot & cold out. That and the air gap prevents moisture buildup and regulates temperature.
Hello, I'm in upstate NY and came across your channel while researching insulation ideals for a metal tube building. There are so many cons over and beyond that crazy price for spray foam in a metal build. I thinking foam board but I'm also looking at Bluetex and pro 2 insulation. For foam board, I was going with 1 1/2 sheets and 1/2 inc sheet cutting into 4-inch squares with foam board spikes 5 of them glued to my metal exterior sheet per 4x8 sheet of board. The 4-inch squares would get pushed onto the spikes first to hold the 1 1/5 sheet a 1/2 inch off the wall for the air space. My question to you is how did your joining plates work on the roof and how is it all working out for you now that its been up for a while.
Those plates; in my opinion were the best option I could come up with. The insulation made a huge difference in warmth and how often my heater runs. I would do it again the same way if I had to.
Neat idea, man.
Great work!
Did not look easy by any means.
Enjoy the fruits of your labor!
I was very grateful to have help!
I have a wood framed pole barn and also wanted to do spray foam. But like you said, cost prohibited. Good to hear the foam board is making that big a difference and looking forward to seeing how well it does in the future when it's complete.
Also, what are your future plans for a wall covering?
as of right now, I have no future plans for wall coverings.... Things seem to be working well they way they are, any further steps would be cosmetic in nature, and for me, cosmetic is not necessary, as I would rather spend that money else where on attachments for the tractor, or truck parts.
@@EverythingElliott Makes sense, It's pretty cool show how you made your shop better for not a lot of money. Most of us don't have unlimited funds to go crazy building. Keep up the great content.
@@EverythingElliott Here in Canada, in order to get insurance or pass a building inspection, we would have to cover the foam with drywall at least.
@@terrencejreich I could see that for getting the certificate of occupancy for a commercial or residential building, but not for an outbuilding like my shop.
@@EverythingElliott In Canada, an outbuilding requires a permit. And then it is inspected. If you insure that building then it is inspected. In both cases, this building, with uncovered foam would not pass even though it is not occupied.
Very nice / informative video. How long did it take you to do the ceiling? Looked like two of you most of the time. Thanks again
If I remember correctly it took my dad and I approximately 8 hours to do the ceiling. I had him on the ground cutting while I was calling out measurements and installing.
Im less concerned with the temperature but more concerned with the sweating. I just build a 60x100 2 weeks ago. Some days it feels like it rained inside. How did this help with the sweating? I got a $50k quote to spray foam it 😲.
I have 0 issues with sweating, I don’t know if I’m the odd man out but some people tell me it rains in their shop. Currently 27 degrees out, and 72 in my shop, not a drop of water falling
Really cool. Thanks for the information.
Great job man
Great video! Where did you get the materials from? I can’t find a 5’ wide panel.
Bought it off a guy on Craigslist, they are 4’ wide not 5’
My dad just said " You know, you could do the same thing with some glue and scrap wood."
The man turns 78 this year and I'm curious how none of the houses he built ever just fell apart
Glue, hahaha
I couldn't believe the price of the spray foam. I would have thought maybe 5k to spray foam it not knowing the cost of the materials. Prices must be really out of control on that stuff too.
I couldn’t believe it either! I’m glad I got an alternative Solution!
Awesome, I'm considering doing a similar project! Did you have any condensation issues before insulating?
Did you have to cut the foam down to size? I've noticed that the studs of my steel garage are 4' on center and the insulation comes in 4' wide pieces, so that's about 2" to cut off the edge of every sheet to make them fit.
Have you had any issues with wasps or mice occupying that air gap?
Surprisingly, I didn't have any condensation issues prior to insulating. I think there was enough airflow through the building to prevent that. I did have to cut the foam sheets down, but I did buy factory miscuts so they weren't exactly 4'x8'. I don't have any issues with mice due to my resident mouser, Theodore. And wasps...I haven't seen any around, so I'd say no to that.
Where did you get the foam board and what was the cost per sheet? Thanks in advance
I got it from a guy on craigslist that had a warehouse full of it in the city of Buffalo, NY. I paid $20 per sheet.
Now that you've had it up for over a year - anything you'd do different? Pro/cons? I am facing the exact same task, so would love your feedback.
Hi Tom! Things are well with the insulation! I saw your email and replied. Thanks for watching!
Looks Great. Just wondering how many hours in real time to do this.
Three full days from sun up to sun down.
what do you think about 1/2 plywood over the board on the walls?
If I were to do that, I would skip the foam board, sheet the walls with the plywood, then do blown in insulation in the cavity.
they did not say what they used to attach the panels to the ceiling
They…I used steel framing ties, in the video prior to this one I explained how everything was going to go, this video was just the physical install.
Btw, how's the noise when it rains? Did it deaden the noise at all?
It’s noisy that’s for sure. Not as bad as it used to be, certainly notice the difference, but I wouldn’t say it’s silent in there
Hi there I came across your video looking for ways to insulate an old Butler style building, it’s like a Quonset type but it has a flat roof, and the steel is a heavier gauge.
Do the foam boards not get condensation behind them ?
That’s a great question that I don’t have an answer for, I can’t see behind the foam…
How did you get the boards to stay ip what did u use help
All the boards are friction fit, I cut each board for an exact spot on the wall and ceiling. On the walls it’s friction only. On the ceiling I used rafter ties across the steel structure to hold the board in place. I think there are 3 videos in this series, I discuss that in one of the videos. It was a while ago so I don’t remember which one exactly
Regarding this insulating video. Where did you get the boards? Looking for same with no writing on visual side. Everything i see has their dang logos all over it. Thanks ofr the vid and info.
I bought it all second hand off a guy on Craigslist. If you’re anywhere near the western NY area you shouldn’t have any issue finding him on Craigslist. He’s got a whole warehouse full of it. There’s no markings on it anywhere so I can’t even give you a manufacturer
how many sheets were needed for a 30x60 building?
I’m not sure, it was a year ago I don’t really remember sorry. Just take the square footage of all the walls and ceiling and divide that by the square footage of a 4x8 sheet
I probably missed it, but what product did you use for this? I am going to do this in my shop! Thanks
It's 2" rigid foam board. You should be able to get it most any building supply stores. I got mine second hand from a guy who buys factory blemishes.
Did you use the Sheetrock screws at all or just let gravity (on the ceiling) maintain the air gap ?
In the really tight sections, I just let the friction hold it up, on the boards that I was a little sloppy cutting I used the sheet rock screws. All of them have the metal ties up as a safety so they don’t fall though
Is that red drill press a Buffalo Brand? I have a floor modey just like it.
It sure is!
where did you get sheets that wide? the spacing is wider than the standard 4' isnt it?
no, my spacing is around 46" between the metal verticals. 48" on center...
Update? How do you like it im about to build a 30x30 versatube and im wanting to donsomething similar. Any mold issues?
Update is I love it, nice and warm in there, only issue I’ve run into is in my haste of putting them up I missed a couple of the securement ties and those pieces slid down like 6”, but that is easily remedied. No mold or condensation issues thus far
What did you say the metal brackets were again that you used on the ceiling?
They are tie brackets. You should be able to find them at your local home depot or Lowe’s
I live in FL. Same size ship but I have 16ft side walls. I wonder if I could do the samething? Any issues you can think of doing it in FL type of climate?
I don’t see any downside to it. Should work just the swme
@@EverythingElliott do you know what brand/type of foam board you used?
I'm not sure, It was unbranded and I bought it off a guy on craigslist who buys it factory direct defected. the boards weren't exactly square.
How did you attach the foam boards to the cieling?
Cut the boards a hair big and used the pressure of the board squeezed between the tube steel. Also used joist plates screwed into the steel supporting the foam. I explained that in one of the videos.
what size building do have? and how many sheets did it take?
I have a 30x60x12 and i used about 90 sheets, need about 20 more to complete the back wall and side wall behind shelving
The type of foam board, where to buy it,, and the price. Does it off gas at all.
I bought it off a guy on Craigslist that gets blems from the factory. I paid $20 a sheet, and not sure about off gassing…
Hope this helps. From what I have heard rigid foam board comes in three types. EPS, XPS, and Poly-iso. Please google those; I recall that EPS doesn't off gas. Examples of EPS foam board is Poly Pro or R Tech. One off the others does off gas and looses r value. I even read some types have different r values between heat and cold temperatures. Any ways, hope this helps you...