How we Insulated our Steel Building/Garage… We used Foam Board vs Spray Foam Insulation.
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- Опубликовано: 20 янв 2023
- Here is step by step how we insulated our shop without using spray foam insulation.
I explain how this method will keep moisture out of our wall cavities on our steel building.
Keep in mind that we live in the North with low humidity and are mostly trying to keep heat in and not out. You may have to take extra precautions when installing your insulation in your garage to make sure to keep moisture out depending on your climate. This is what works for us. 
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The most impressive part of this whole video is that you actually get your girls to help out. My kids laugh at me when I ask them to help me. That decision will come back to bite them.
That decision will bite you both… Find a way to work together with them and make it fun and just have a good quality time together making them want to help more often. Ive come to realize that my patience was very much lacking when it came to get work done especially with my kids helping. But at the end of the day I find that the work being done will always be there. My kids on the other hand most likely won’t.. So I am learning still to slow down and get on their level and just enjoy each other’s company no matter how much it may slow me down. A tip I have learned along the e way is to make them do some of the heavy lifting and always tell them how good they are doing and at the end of the night before bed, I tell them again how much I appreciate their help. Hope that helps.
Don’t take this as mean but you actually ask your kids to help? I tell my kids they are helping. They grumble but by the end of the project they are generally having fun and learning many life important things.
Yep I usually ask them. If it’s something that is a get it done now kinda thing with the more hands the better, I’ll tell em I need their assistance. They’re usually always wanting to help out anyway. I’m a dad, not a slave driver.
What motivation do they have to help you? Does their life change in a negative way if they don't? You gotta see it from their perspective
@@LibLibertyLibertarian I was born and raised on a cattle ranch and am raising my family on the same ranch, early on in life you learn that if there is work to be done everyone that is able chips in to help. When you teach your kids that at an early age you seldom have to even ask, they just jump in to help.
The motivation? They get immense satisfaction from know they helped take care of the animals and pride for contributing. They are not negatively impacted for not doing something. Maybe it’s because we live rural and an agricultural life but that the way almost everyone I know in my profession is.
I did this but I used 2, 1-1/2” thick panels stacked to make 3” where the seems were offset so there was no air leakage and no need to spray the gaps with extra foam
Hi Chad, having about 50 years experience as a thermal engineer, just a minor comment on filling the 1/4 inch gaps with 3 inches of foam. I would recommend not filling the full 3" thickness with the foam, but rather just enough thickness, say 1/4", to block air exchange between the outer air volume next to the outer wall and the air volumes in the 1/4 inch gap, leaving the remaining 2.75" of gap with a trapped air volume. Reason being, air is a much better insulator than any insulation material. And with gaps less than about 3/4 inch convection is negligible and the dominant mode of heat transfer will be air conduction, a much better insulator than if that volume was filled with foam. Not a big deal tho since your overall crack area for the 1/4" gaps is small compared to the total insulated wall area. Also if the foam board were available with aluminum foil on one or both sides of the boards, it would increase your overall effective R value even more by greatly reducing any thermal radiation transfer across the external gap (foam board to outer wall) and internal foam board surface to room interior. Just food for thought. But I love your overall approach for avoiding condensation on the outer wall. Good job!
Thank you for the information. There’s so much different info out there addressing this subject it’s a bit overwhelming 😆. We’re considering building a new shop much larger than this one and will see how this one performs.
Do you think this outperforms R19 batt insulation ? I would use the 4’ wide rolls if I go that route. I know the R value is different. But which one performs
Better? Thanks
Not to argue with you but if air was a much better insulator, no one would put insulation in the walls. Just air
@@exhilaratingbass The problem with using air alone in a large wall cavity is the cavity would be large enough so you would get convection (air flow) from warm to cold surfaces and that would destroy the insulation R-value. As SpudW suggests, the narrow horizontal cavities 1/4" high would not support convection over the 3" thickness and the spray foam at the outside and inside of the cavity will keep wind from moving air through the cavity.
Batt insulation is a little better than newspaper...but not much.
Way to go Dad. Your girls are learning math, survival skills, feedback with love, and many wonderful things for life. Thank you for being there.
He used 3” thick Owens-Corning Foamular 250 sheets with R-15.
1) 11:42 Scoring the panels and then breaking them apart will result in an uneven edge. Best to cut with table saw, circular saw, electric kitchen knife, or even a regular hand saw for wood.
2) He installed the sheets over some horizontal 1X’s so there’s a 1 1/2” air gap between the inside of the metal walls and the back of the 3” thick foam panels. This air gap should allow any possible moisture to dry up.
3) All foam panels were cut so there was a 1/4” gap between the edges. This 1/4” gap made it much easier to fit the panels.
4) 6:17 The spray foam that bled out was easily trimmed off after drying later using a multi tool. Keep it flat!
5) 14:24 He left a gap around the wall outlets and stuffed it with regular pink FG insulation so he get replace or modify later.
6) Some in comments used two 1 1/2” thick sheets STAGGERED to avoid the gap between sheets and filling with foam and trimming later. See the comments that I liked below for more information.
Instead of sinking the screws 1", just throw some larger washers on the screws. Drive the screw until the washer dimples the foam board (don't break the facing).
Other thing to consider is if you are doing 3", you can double layer 1.5" foam board and stagger your seams. This helps air seal
Yep, they make plastic and thin galvanized washers for just this purpose
Congrats for being an awesome father. I found my daughter is very receptive to things I show her, including bird hunting and shooting. Your daughters are very fortunate to have you spend time with them and teach important skills. Stay warm.
Greatest part about this is the teachings the the kids are receiving in my opinion. They'll remember helping their rest of their lives. Also, when you set up the wall metal, lay it on horses 10 or so sheets clamped together, layout your purlin location, snap lines, and pre drill several sheets at a time. Even though you might be using self tapping screws, it'll make life a lot easier. Nice looking shop y'all!
😂 we definitely won’t allow our children to loaf around and watch desperate housewives all day! 😂 They do have their daily chores and schoolwork and the rest of the day doing what they want minus electronics. They are happy kids who use their own individual imaginations to keep from being bored. They all have their own hobbies.
Great video! Thanks for sharing your experience. I'll be putting up an identical steel building and the difference in cost with and without the insulation options is HUGE. I like the way you did it. Much appreciated.
Your doing an awesome job and it looks like your helpers are learning and having a great time with dad take care
You made me smile when you were showing your daughter how to do it! Tell her her braided hair looked great! I have 3 girls of my own, all growed-up. Miss those times of teaching them new stuff.
My brother did spray foam on his house. He got an estimate and realized it was cheaper to by the gear and do it himself. He’s a builder contractor and has his own company. Since he has done his and his three kids houses at cost. I have a 130 year old house we plan to do this summer. I was planning ridged foam board but it’s faster and easier to do foam.
You just answered a bunch of questions I was having about my own situation. Great information. I love what you are doing. Keep doing it!
Glad I could help! Take care and good luck on your project
I'm impressed with your forethought and skill.
Awesome, i too may need to do the same. My garage is large like yours. You may check into steel wool to shove in holes for mice. Learn long ago from old country folks. Works great, it hurts them to much to chew it.
But doesn't it rust into powder from humid air?
Hey Chad. Your girls are learning so much from you and getting the hands-on experience with everything they do. That's just so awesome! So proud of them. Take care.
Thank you Julie! You take care too! Hope you’re having a great weekend so far!
Very Detailed! Great job in explaining your actions and including your daughters in the action! Great job as a father! Keep up the good work!
Thank you.
I'm at drywall contractor and my daughter helps me all the time. Great to see your daughters learning some life skills. Good job girls and dad. Love the video.
a fun option for cutting foam like this. Electric carving kitchen knife.
Excellent job describing why & how!
I've used rigid foam for a number of applications. I even built a refrigerated cabinet for storing vegetables for an organic farmer. For cutting, I tried several things and settled on one. I had a 2" wide x 4" inch long putty knife. I slightly sharpened the 4" side (not even to a knife edge) and it slid through the foam like butter. I used my 48" aluminum t-square for a straight edge.
Great video. You really covered a lot of important issues. My building is going up right now. First priority for me is the rat guard. Thanks from middle Tennessee.
This is what I came up with for my pole building after the sky high spray foam quote . Super nice to see someone besides me used this technique. Looks great ..Thank for making the video
Thank you
The best foam insulation video around. Thanks for covering EVERY detail!
Our pleasure! Thank you
I LOVE the you are teaching your girls to do this...!!!
I love that you gave your daughter good safety and work instructions for the oscillating tool; and repeated not to touch anywhere near that blade and to keep good control of it. She can then build confidence in using them why also respecting what they can do both good and bad.
I'm getting ready to build my building and this was very helpful
Awesome to include the kids. Parenting done right!
Thanks Chad. This will help us do the same thing learning from you. Looking forward to how you do the ceiling.
Hello, nice to see you are moving along with the Garage. It looks great. Blessings
Thank you Margaret. We hope you’re doing well. Have a great weekend
As a fire inspector very glad you are placing the foam behind a thermal barrier. That foam will turn the place into the Station Nightclub if left exposed. ALSO.....great fathering. My teen daughter is very comfortable with power tools and helps build all the time. Even has her own chainsaw.
No.. it won't.
@@hillaryclinton1314 yes, it will. it burns like napalm.
Is the 1 1/2” space between the back of the foam sheet and the inside of the metal wall the “thermal barrier”? And if so, how does that prevent the foam from burning in a fire?
As soon as I heard you talk, I knew you were from Michigan... it's like I'm listening to someone from my hometown
Great to see you Chad. That’s going to be a great year round shop. 🎉
Hi Bruce! Nice hearing from you! How have you been been? House life treating you out west? I believe you said you lived in California?
Wow, y'all are really makin' this garage a super professional place to build the cars that I am still dying for. Great job!
Thank you Paulla!
Nice job. Always looking forward to your updates.
Thank you Wayne!
Greetings from Milan Mi. Thanks for sharing what you learned. I agree that this stuff will be much more future proof if you needed to make repairs or change something.
Thank you! This was very helpful for me since I have never done this before and am getting ready to do my shed before winter here in the upper part of Lower Michigan. Very informative and GREAT tips and tricks!
Thank you
A lot of good information. Awesome video. Keep them all coming. Take care and God Bless y'all always
Thank you Lisa
I love your thinking on this.
WOW. Beautiful job. You and the girls have been pretty busy. Looks GREAT. Nicely done. Way better looking than the regular messy insulation or the spray stuff. Very nice lines and flat surface. Everything runs in unison together. Love you guys.❤️🥰 Give my girls a high five 🤗
Thank you Joanna ! How have you been?
Great video! Good information and this will help me with a future garage project. Thank you!
I am totally jealious you having all that family help.
Make yourself a family to help you.
Can't agree with you more. Thanks for referencing the greatest, only, source of real truth 😊. Well done.
Keep on keeping on. Take care.
Woops. My phone jumped videos. This went with the latest video.
That was some nice artwork on the panel you were standing in front, Chad. Good video. It has given me some ideas. Thanks.
😆 I’d love to take credit for that but my kids are the artists in our family.. 😝
Only thing I'd suggest doing differently is using 1.5" foam in two layers with the seams staggered. It's more cutting, but then you can skip the spray foam to save some money. Nail the first layer on, then use adhesive on the second layer.
Oh boy, you sure wouldn't do that if valued your time.
@@jamescole3152 faster than trying to fill the gap between sheets with expanding foam.
@@jamescole3152 also money... the 1.5 inch is more expensive lmao. And no expanding foam is way faster, just don't bother cutting it off, leave it.
@@gg-gn3re current price at Menards 2x1.5" is only $1.04 more expensive, than 1x3", so pretty close in cost.
@@sizelov That could add up for a larger shops but it is only about $15 more for a 12x40' wall. Adhesive is probably about the same cost as spray foam but you would use more. My guess is all things being equal it is the same price and about the same time but probably better results.
Great Job
Looks like _Beautiful Country Too_
Looking good, warm and cozy.
Thank you Kirk
you and your crew are doing a heckuva job
Thanks Rob!
Wishing you guys all the best!
Thank you
Great job and great techniques. Congratulations on a job well done. Thinking of possible errors or accidents is perfect and I agree that foam board is better then spray foam. Great job girls in helping your Dad. Take care all of you.
Thank you. Have a great night.
Spend the money on interior girts! Well worth it! You have come
So far. Not doing so will compromise your whole project. The screw heads taking cold temps from the outside girt will likely get very cold
And condense inside your building . Hand the steel on board that is Inside the insulation. Less bridges and less problems!
Great info Chad it looks marvelous , thx again 😀💕
Thank you Carolyn!
I apologize for being late always love watching what you and everyone all your wonderful kids and your wife as well and all your animals and dogs as well love you all
Great job , nice to visit again , thanks for sharing , God bless !
Thanks again Michael
I learned a lot from your learning a lot. Looks great! The ceiling is reeeealy nice.
Thank you !
Another great episode! Excellent tutorial on the foam insulation. Autumn looks like she has grown a foot over the winter ❄️we didn't recognize her at first ❤
Thank you. Yea they are all growing too fast!
I'm SOO GLAD you guys aren't STRUGGLING anymore like you were before! You're actually making progress and that has to feel really good!??
Oh man yes ! It’s nice not spinning our wheels all the time for sure!
ya'll did a very good job keep up the good work and keep warm. look out for a polar votex coming down and to the south. be bless and love and safe. thanks for the young ladies help you out that is great,
Thank you! Will do! Take care Billy!
Thanks for the informative video, great to see an alternative to spray foam.
You did a great job that works for you. That's all that matters and it will be far better than what you had. Keep doing you brother. 🐾🙏🏻✌🏻
Thank you Scott!
Nice job. Too late now but for anybody else, use a boric acid powder or solution on the steel behind the foam to kill bugs especially carpenter ants which love to make homes in the foam. I would also use the high expansion great stuff behind the vertical 6x6 to slow down mice using the the girts for runs.
Like your insights and techniques...thank you.
I know the video was about spray foam but that clip of your trees!!! Those trees and snow ❤❤❤.
Yeah it sure is beautiful out there this time of year!
Did something similar redoing my walls. 2 1"inch layers using canned foam as the adhesive. Then Rockwool over the top of it. (R25)
Make sure your air gap can drain out the bottom or your water will fill up with water. Also make sure there are critter screens on both the top and bottom so you can avoid unwanted guests.
Chad, such a good thought out process! Your hard effort and research will be rewarded. Enjoy the season 2023! I'm near Hell Michigan.
Thanks! It sounds much warmer near your side of Michigan! 😆
Hell, MI, ha-ha-ha. My Dad used to say he went through Hell (MI) to get to Climax (MI). I responded he should have taken Hwy 69, would have been quicker!
Crude joke but if any youngsters are offended, I would say how do they know what the joke is about?
It's like the time the song Mony-mony by Billy idol played at a Piston's game. The Dad behind me got in my face about the chorus and I said, I was saying "Hey, get paid get a truck". He looked pretty stupid when I asked what did his pre-teen think I was saying and how does he know what the dirty words are? Boom!
Great information and it looks great. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you Ron!
Looking a lot different from when you first bought the property!! Great job, your girls are awesome to help and learn along the way. All the best up there...
Thank you.
Thank you.
it's great your teaching your kids how to do it themselfs
Thanks & wow the girls are getting so tall ! I'll be looking for the next video i got all the bell checked !
Yea they are! Hope you’re doing well! Take care!
I've had to remodel and/or make changes to an existing build that had spray foam. Let me tell you it was a pain in the butt. It sticks to everything. Wires studs sheathing you did the right thing
Hello Chad and your lovely family wow you did a very great job and your lovely girls help dad I know you are very busy with work but I hope you won't wait so long to post a new video just say I just enjoy watching you with your beautiful children they really love you daddy you are so blessed may God keep on blessing you and your beautiful wife and children Rosa
Thanks so much Rosa.
@@9252LIFE 😉☺️💚💜💙you are so welcome I just love watching your beautiful young ladies
Nice Video and good direction for sure - here is the/a spray foam reference - and I am on board with the installation that you show! It will work well! I have sprayed a few hundred barns in the last 20 years in northern Ohio and always wish for folks to enjoy their buildings. Seems like every barn is built a little different and used in many ways. $4000 is the number I would have been around for your walls at that R value. As has been the case over time my chemical cost runs real close to what you paid for sheets and accessories! I would have also installed baffles at the soffit and sealed them in with foam as I sprayed the walls! Always, always, always be mindful of having quality air in your space, gaining combustion air from outside and understanding how you are managing humidity!
I have great respect for any man that will teach his girls as well as his boys real life skills they can take with them long after we are gone! More men should be doing this. Raising helpless women is not setting forth a good example for our women. This man is a testimony of how to teach your women to survive and to thrive! My respect and salute goes to you sir and your girls. Damn proud of you and of them! Press on!
Thank you Mark! Have a great night!
Thanks for the informative video. Last year we bought property with two 30x40 pole barns in northern lower peninsula Michigan. Looking forward to insulating this summer - much appreciate the detailed explanation, rationale, and thoughtful details. Eager to learn more about your ceiling, inching flue details.
Looks awesome the way you did that
Thank you pops!
Looks good, price was right! Man it’s beautiful up there!
Could use GE silicon to hold the foam board together. The reason moisture gets between the wall is because if the dew point (63 degrees) lies between the inside temperature and the temperature outside there will be condensation in the wall. You are correct about keeping the temperature the same as the outside temperature.
Yes, mice chew through anything, almost. I kept fixing, with spray foam, a hole they were coming in. I finally stuck some course steel wool, then spray foam. They never came in again.
Good looking job - I too checked spray foam for cargo trailer I'm finishing, and yes, it was prohibitive$$! I used Pink Foam too.
Cheers from Lapeer, Michistan.
Looks awesome. I love saving large amounts of money for something so simple to do. You could have even put another 1 1/2 inch foam board in front of that one and made it even better.
Looking great!! Take care.
Thank you
Thank you for posting!! I am considering building a dome using 2x6's for struts. I"ve come up with a very good concept for the hubs using 3" ABS pipe and bolts. I thought spray foam would be the way to go, but in the back of my mind I still had foam panels because they can be removed, and your video has pretty much cinched the idea. I recently discovered the sheathing tape and combined with the "Great Stuff" spray I think your construction method is what I need for my dome project. Thank You again.
You don't need to put great stuff sealant in between gaps of less than an inch. You just need to tape them over. 99% of their wall is covered by the boards and if you just tape them and seal the air from flowing into the condition to space, those gaps are going to give negligible. You won't even be able to measure the difference between using the great stuff spray foam and not using it. Trust me on this. Basically what I did with my garage was I insulated the walls and the ceiling with traditional fiberglass insulation and then i put building wrap on the inside not on the outside of the building but on the inside and because there is no airflow between the outside and the inside. It's just as good as it's super good. Only cost me 1500 bucks to have somebody else do it. So I'm telling you it's you don't need to use great stuff in between the panels. That's way too much of a detail. You don't need to go through that. That's two labor intensive. Just cut the panels. One quarter inch shy and then put them up and then you just use the tape to seal all the seams and you stop any airflow. It's not going to make a difference if you use great stuff it's just going to increase your labor in your cost
Thanks for the information I heard what I needed to.
Super informative video. thank you Sir. We here love to see real Hero’s survive in U P. JOB WELL done !!!!!!!! what a crew⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Thank you!
I lived in UP/MI (SSM, HH,) I Loved it in MI.
Thanks family for the info
You’re welcome
Also, covering the screws in the foam is a good idea because metal is a conductor, so they are your weakest points regarding the transfer of heat. In fact, on jobs I've done similar to yours, I have removed most or all of the screws and relied on the adhesive nature of the canned spray foam to support the sheets. If you use more than 1 layer of foam, you can lessen the effect of the canned spray foam with staggered joints.
A good idea, is to glue a radiant barrier layer to your foam board facing outside. This will provide a radiant reflective barrier before it even hits your foam.
That would definitely be beneficial in hot climates. Lucky for us we’re at an average of around 75 degrees Fahrenheit up here.
Thanks. I have a small cabin I just made and was thinking about spray foam. Going your way.
Nice presentation I was going to use foam board and I needed an explanation of how to actually fasten it and use it thank you your presentation was great
Thank you.
Thanks for the good concise info!
Thank you Dave!
I built a life size wooly mammoth using about a hundred cans of spray foam and other stuff. It came out great but was a learning experience
Band saw works great too for cutting the foam
Solid fact based decisions as always. So nice to see your kids involved. You dont learn these skills in school.
So true!
Good job... you did good on fiquring things out.... ya rat gaurd is a must have.
Hey Chad. Been following along since yous started the project. I also have a 30x40. All it's got is bubble wrap between the tin & perlins. I think this is the ticket the way you did it. No studs for bats. Easy to apply wall coverings. 1 section at a time in between the posts. My only problem is the ceiling. No eves or overhangs= no ventilation for a ceiling application. May also try this method in between top of trusses underneath roof. Or I may do blanket insulation up there. Plus, my wood stove pipe runs out the side wall 1foot above the bottom of trusses. Nice job! Look forward to seeing the finished shop! Thanks for the great info as well!
You’d definitely want some sort of ventilation up there. We are about to put out a video on our other channel possibly tomorrow on how we are doing the ceiling. If you don’t know our other channel is Great American Northern Garage. Have a great weekend!
Excellent tutorial! thank you
Thank you
Look's darn good!! I bet it does the job for sure!! ❣❤❣
It does! Thank you!
@@9252LIFE 😊👍
Nice. Gonna be a great work area.
Can't wait!
Good morning how are you today hope you have a great day I like what you're doing to the walls very good keep up the good work happy sunshiney 🌹😍❤️
Good evening! We all had a great day! Not much sunshine but just a beautiful day of some nice fresh crisp winter air. Hope you’re doing well!
Wow, that was educational, Chad! I've never done any of that kind of work, but it sounds as though it is something that you definitely want to do right the first time! I'm excited for you and your family seeing the improvements you are making to the farm. You've got a great homestead there, and it is getting better all the time. Congratulations to you all!
Thank you Robert. Hope you’re doing well!