Better to use standard insulation over spray foam so you're doing good. Everyone down the road has some sort of issue with it either it doesn't mix right and never cures and off gases or people seal their building so tight they end up with mold issues from any little moisture or they end rotting there structure because they get a leak in the outside envelope and the water ends up following the wood studs or purlings with no signs until its to late and your structure is rotted and ready to fall down. I'm a contractor by trade and see the crap all the time, I couldn't tell you how many roofs we have had to cut completely off because they were spray foamed and they got a leaks in the shingles ot vents or skylights and the water followed the sheating and trusses rotting them away and owners had no clue of the leaks till they had to spend 10s of thousands of dollars in new trusses and roofing. Spray foam has been keeping us pretty busy the last few years I don't recommend it to anyone we build for, I direct them right away from it and the ones who insist on it I put it in writing that none of the work is guaranteed at all and I show them the damage that having spray foam causes and most of them will steer away from it but a few insist on it.
Thanks buddy... I will not use spay form for future build, u r right.. Some video on yt show people have bad smell with spray form ... End up cost ton of money to remove all spray form ... Not sure how can they remove all if that sprayform and the smell could still remain. The spray form really sticky to the wood... Wrong mix could cost someone a home.... And health....
As much as I love the concept of spray foam because of the air tightness and the monolithic end result, the fact remains that the process of manufacturing foam requires an extremely controlled environment (temperature, humidity, ventilation) which is almost impossible to achieve on site. Foam is best when manufactured in a factory.
Even if stars align and you do get things right, sometimes life happens and you have to repair a section. A lot easier to remove this stuff in the event that you have to do a repair to a section of wall. While PL premium is top notch stuff, its overkill. I would use the PL 300 stuff meant for foam board. It's cheaper, easier to clean up when wet, and easier to undo after drying without damaging the foam boards.
years ago when i hung drywall the first time i encountered spray insulation there was black mold all over the place and everywhere it wasnt trimmed right it made the drywall bulge
I am not here to comment about the insulation but how great of a father you are by not only teaching your daughters about how to work with tools and spending time with them. Reminds me when my daughter was their ages and every time i had a project to do around the house she was right there wondering what i was doing, handing me tools which she made up different names for them, i.e. needle nose pliers was "nose pickers". Now i don't worry about her needing to get a repair person for majority of the things around the house. When it comes to something new she don't know about , she calls me ask for me to come over and talk her thru it, and boom, she's done it and learned a new thing. In fact her 2 younger brothers are the same way.
Well done...to the dad for being willing to teach his daughters about the rewards of working with your hands to create something and to the daughters for being open to learning how to do things that really make a difference to a family.
It's good that you're teaching a bunch of "gurls" how to do some so called "manual labor". Everyone should know how to take care of themselves and do some handiwork. Everyone including "gurls" should know how to change a tire, and check the oil and water in their cars/trucks. Not a good idea for a woman to be stranded alone and out in the middle of nowhere on a dark night. And everyone should always have a cell phone and a charger in their car/truck. And maybe a small handgun.
This reminds me of how I was brought up. I'm a female and I grew up on construction sites with my Dad. You are giving your girls invaluable skills. Please believe me when they get older they are gonna truly appreciate it.
Young man, I've said it before and I'll continue to say it... you are so blessed to have those beautiful young ladies as your daughters! I am just so impressed by the fact that they aren't afraid to try anything! And they seem to be growing up so fast!! In no time Taleah will be heading out into the world to start her own family and then Autumn will be doing the same...then Tylynn and before you know it, Haylee will be heading out! Enjoy every second with them! You're doing a fantastic job teaching them!! Well done! Take care, be safe and God bless!
Those girls using the teamwork method of passing that wood to stack it up is the neatest thing ever!! You've done well Mom n Dad.... Absolutely warms my heart to see this.
You should have cut strips of 1 1/2 to fit between the 2x6s then put the 2 inch over that. I didn't on one of the walls in my shop and I basically created mouse condominiums with roads. When I took some of mine down i had a mess. Blocking the pathways with more foam board helps a lot with rodents.
Exactly. The snakes will follow the mice. The bugs and spiders will love that air space too. I wouldn't be surprised if the bees find it and build a hive in there.
I totally agree. I live in the mountains over 6k feet and I fill in every hole possible else it will become a nest for rodents and an entry place for bugs. I'd never allow the holes on the bottom to be there. I'd fill up every hole.
So awesome to see your girls in there helping and learning. It will last them a lifetime. It's so gratifying when they get older and apply what they learned enough to call you and say thanks. My daughter is in her 40's now and thanks me regularly since she is now a 1st time homeowner and dads 18 hrs away.
Hey! That was fun to watch. The little saw you bought for 16.00 is actually designed to cut Mineral Wool or in most cases Roxul products. A hot wire is the best way to cut foam. The reason that spray foam is so expensive is the result of the snow storm in Texas a couple years ago. Spray foam is two part and the Red or common part is mostly manufactured by one company that has never caught up to demand. I work for Canada's largest Insulation distributor and had a blast watching your video. While there are a lot of ways to do a hot wire you managed very well. Great video, great fun and great kids ... Cheers from Nova Scotia
I found my table saw did an excellent job. A little messy, and keep a shop vac handy to keep the foam debris out of the motor. Hot wire would be nice though.
I was just about to comment saying the same thing. Thought I'd stop using our bread knife for cutting Roxul batts and bought one of those. Aside from that I finished my basement with the styrofoam boards made for interior walls, but they interlocked to have a good seal in between and a 1/4 cost of spray foam and no where near as messy. Its been very warm for 8+ years in Canadian winters.
Great family help Cutting foam is work. My method is a sharp 4” wide putty knife for the long cuts. Sharpen one side well, bothering several passes along a straight edge to set the line. A couple more passes with pressure and you will be over half way through. Then you can snap the rest off along your cut. I do use a saw for the detail cuts. Thanks
I've tried insulation knives, bread knives, putty knives for cutting foam. What worked best for me was an 18" snap off knife. Can get them for a few bucks at the big box stores. Measure, score with a straight edge. Cut a bit deeper next pass, repeat a third time. Gives very clean, precise cuts easily. Snap off the end blade once it starts dragging and swap out knives every few boards.
I love the way you are raising your daughters. Never got married and I always wanted to have daughters in the image of there mother. Keep on teaching them the way you are.👍👍👍👍
Tuck tape is best to seal up the flat foam to foam connections and then use canned foam for angles or any awkward, gappy areas. Need a sealant at the floor to foam connection as well.
I got told some four decades ago: Kids are just the product of their surroundings. I didnt really understand this then, but in the decades since then i learned how true that is.
@@flybywire5866 it's true! My Dad was a hard worker that passed his ideas and ethics on to me. I did the same with my son. Hopefully he can do the same with his son.
Well... what was supposed to be a video about insulation differences (and I did learn that), ended up being a restoration in faith of humanity. Love seeing the family being together for all the chores needing to be done - related to each one's capabilities. Good dad! Thanks for taking the time to produce this. Now I know what to do for insulating my own. (can I borrow your family? jkjk).
Great job Dad! You are definitely setting your girls up for success. Teaching them to work with their hands and not being afraid to get dirtied up in the process. Beautiful work - Beautiful family! We need more of this in today’s world. 😎 👍👍👍👍👍
I would use a small bead of spray foam between each sheet instead of PL adhesive. Also start by placing the first sheet on the bottom (beded in spray foam) then stack the next sheets on the way up, leave a 1/8" to 1/4" gap on the sides then fill the side gaps with spray foam. Alternatively there is special tape for sealing foamboard seams.
It's so heartwarming to watch you giving your beautiful young ladies great lessons in building and creating things. It's a incredible honor to be able to do that for youngsters. It ensures their future of self sustenance and the ability of being able to handle anything life throws at them. Watching them just stack the wood blew me away!!! They learned there's strength in numbers!!! Keep up the great work brother, I'm looking forward to watching more of your progress!!!
You've got such a great family. Kudos! I'm a retired GC 48 yrs lived in the UP. Moved to Florida in 1978. Built many steel buildings and pole barns Those bottom holes you are Using for venting allows Rodents (mice) To move in and they will They will eat holes in the Insulation We used a manufactured "L" flashing Around the bottom You could still do that
Thank you Al. We will be putting in an L flashing. Thank you for the tip. We’ll be doing an update video also at some point. Hope you’re having a great day.
I guess I’m not understanding your analogy on the “Death Plug” it’s not hooked to grid power at all. It’s only powered when the generator is plugged into it. Anyway take care
That's a good hard working family you got going there sir !!!! Seeing kids not glued to some sort of electronic device gives me hope that's there's still some good parents in the world raising their kids the right way !!!
Thank you SO much for the laughs! I have Raised 5 children and have 3 grandkids I adopted at wonderful teen age. Love the signage on protecting your hearing. God bless your daughters for stacking that wood perfectly. You did good.
It's great the way you worked with your kids. That's real memory making. I would always let my sons work with me when I would do household projects, build custom cars or work on the motorcycles. We all learned something. To this day, we all put the things we learned to use.
👍 I did the same with rigid foam and saved a ton over spraying. My hand will never be the same after cutting each piece by hand lol. Don’t make my mistake- Get a heated element knife. Cuts that stuff like a hot knife going through butter. Be careful with that wood pile… The weight of all the combined wood is more than enough for that corner support.
Adding the foam to your garage doors will change the weight of the doors which will effect the counter balance with the spring. You may need to add tension to the springs.
Those 1.5” boards are very lightweight but yes the springs on the doors already need attention as they only have one of the springs attached at the moment. It looks scary but I’ll probably put a helmet and shoulder pads on and try to attach that soon! 😆
Adding tension will not be enough you will need new springs. Tension may get you by for awhile but it won't be long and they will break so they get replaced anyway.
Adding tension does not increase the amount of weight a spring lifts to any worthwhile degree. It just moves the problem you have to a different point of travel. If you add tension and make the door lighter on the floor you just move that problem to the fully opened position and make the door hard to close. A lot of garage door techs are hacks so if one ever told you this works get a new door guy.
Well, that was the most wholesome thing I've watched since I saw that Mister Rogers documentary. You get a sub just for being awesome. That's just some top-flight parenting. Thanks for making your corner of the world a little better.
Former contractor here (now retired) and have never been a fan of spray foam insulation (too many issues). Also, if you ever have to remove a sealed wall, insulation panels are waaay easier to deal with. I can't stress enough the importance of air flow and ventilation if you don't want future problems. I'll take a structure that "breaths" any day!!! And, a jigsaw works the best for cutting.
Great job teaching the girls how to use tools and their hands to make things. That's more educational than anything they will learn in today's schools. Great parenting!
The walls are going to be full of critters . If you need ventilation , fill the openings with stainless steel wool . I have used it to keep out critters as small as ants .
Great video. FYI, I just saw another channel have to remove their metal siding and add the metal covering the bottom of the sheet metal to prevent mice from going up the grooves in the metal siding. Mice can destroy your insulation from the inside out.
I like that you are teaching your children. FYI: I saw that you have a hoist attached to the bottom chord of the roof truss. The top chord is the load bearing part of the truss. The bottom chord is typically designed for minimal loading.
One Pair No Spare !!! Great video, my kids are in there 40’s and are truly a blessing to my wife and I, and I think it’s because of family participation in everything we did #1 was church all the way to house building, to family business, keep it up !!!
Notice how the boards are scored, so you can easily snap them into halves or thirds? You can use a utility knife to make score marks wherever you need to snap off a chunk. HTH ✊🤓💜
You've got a great team - an all GIRL team to help you, Chad! I don't know if they complain any when you give them chores to do but even if they do grouse a little, they get the job done. That's the important thing! Your shop/garage is going to be so much more comfortable year round with that insulation. It'll be a pleasure to work out there. God bless you all and I look forward to seeing the progress at your homestead each time you post!
I’m all honestly they don’t ever complain unless I tell them we have to get something done before we can do something else, like go to the beach or something fun! 😆 Most of the time I’m right there working with them and they really enjoy it.
It doesn’t surprise me that your girls step up like they do despite your picking. It won’t be because they weren’t taught that is for sure. Be proud of them as I am for they are not mine. You’ve done well and it helps when you have good help. The girls aren’t slow either. They fire chained that firewood. Great teamwork. Most impressive. Thank them always for good help is hard to find and very rare nowadays. Press on sir!
We had the same problem when insulating an addition, and most recently a post frame woodshop. The spray foam guys wanted insane prices!! 6k for the tiny addition -more than the addition itself costed! The cost for the woodshop was close to 20k! We used batt insulation with Insul-Hold strips on 3 of the walls, XPS and batts on one wall, and batt and blow-in in the ceiling. If you are willing to do it yourself, you can save massive amounts of money! Note: Foamboard adhesive works dramatically better on XPS foam like that, and you can cut the XPS by scoring and snapping, cut it on a table saw, or a very sharp knife as well.
Most foam installers have base charges or minimums. They have to spend just as much time driving to a small job and set everything up vs a large job which is a good portion of the work since spraying it is actually fast. The cost of spray foam isn't worth it since foamboard is almost just as good if you use can spray foam to seal the edges. You also risk ruining your house with the toxic VOCs if the spray foam isn't done correctly and you can't remove it without tearing the walls down and it will smell for decades. You also have issues with adding electrical or plumbing but ya... spray foam Costs too much for the minimum benefits and risks it brings.
@@randybobandy9828 I agree 100% randy! The price we were quoted for spray foam for our post frame woodshop was more than it costed me to build the building! No way that was happening!
It's awesome that you've got your daughters helping you. What a great experience for them. One hint on cutting foam. Use a Jig Saw with a long blade. Cuts like a hot knife through butter.
I did my shop roof a few years back. Made a huge difference! HOT TIP--Your sawsall, circular saw or table saw would be much quicker and likely produce cleaner cuts. Even if the latter two will not cut all the way through, it's still far less hand work. Thanks for sharing this great project with us!
@@9252LIFE I made myself a foam cutter because I was using the foam board with the reflective siding. It worked great with no mess. There are videos here on youtube that show how to make them.
@@branchandfoundry560 how thick was the foam board though, closed cell or open cell? Doesn't work well on closed cell over 2 in. 5800 rpm skillsaw made a messy cut.
Looking great Chad those girls never cease to amaze me you and the Mrs. have done an outstanding job raising them the dig right in and stay focused till the task is done and learn every step of the way i did a 32×50 pole barn the same as your doing some 20 yrs.ago that's the cheapest and most efficient way to do it labor intensive but so rewarding have a great week all of you see you on the next one or the car channel
Your channel is always fun to watch Chad .. I’m so glad there will be no hiking through two feet of snow at 6 in the morning just to get to the car this year. It’s great to see all the family working together!🎉❤
Should have put some sort of screen at the bottom purlin to keep the mice out. They are going to love the insulated condo you just built them. They might even put in a window through the insulation to see inside the building. 🐭
I bought a spray foam setup to do my steel building after seeing my neighbor use insulation boards years back. His metal rusted pretty quick due to sweating. At least use butyl tape on the board's perimeter so there's no air penetration, that stuff stays pliable and sticky no matter what temps drop to. Great channel BTW, I subbed, you got a nice setup!
You can always add a vapor barrier, simple fix. It also depends on if you're in the north or south. Sealing the foam from the inside will be enough in cold dry climate but you need to seal the outside in the humid south.
Love it that you get your kids out “doing”. Love them by teaching them. Great video, wasn’t interested in insulation though. Was interested in watching you model to those kids.
Safety glasses are no joke. I had a 16 Penney nail come back and stick in my eye when hammering on hard oak. Since then I live with one eye. Now I always wear glasses.
They have plastic washers so when you use screws they do not just sink into the foam but hold it securely. Also easier to tape the joints then use caulking. Mice will enter all those metal siding channels. There was a trim that would have blocked the channels along the bottom.
I used the starter on mine but I’m not convinced it will deter mice and bugs, there is still a 1/16-1/8 gap seen from inside the building. Trying to decide how to seal that
Another great video everyone! It looks like things are getting done for those cold winters up there. Here in southern Virginia it is a remarkable 80 degrees today. Too bad I don't have those girls to help me get a few things done. I'd really like to get my 2 decks painted before winter but at my age I have a hard time getting motivated. LOL A shout out to Tylynn for making me laugh when she started out the video showing those cannons. 😊 I knew it was going to be a good video. Looking forward to the next one and I hope all continues to go well for everyone there. Have fun, enjoy life, be safe. 🙏
I remember doing a lot of this same stuff with my dad about sixty years ago and I felt good about being able to help (although always under pressure to not screw something up). My dad wasn't nearly as nice about explaining how to do it first heh. I did learn a lot as it just so happened (or else) and as a result, I always felt pretty confident to try to do my own repairs (home and auto) as an adult. But I sure wish that I had Utube back then heh. You are doing a great job with your family...I know the difference.
Nice job. When I did the same thing in my garage, I took a long 6" Sawzall blade, ground the teeth off and made a knife edge instead. I used a Milwaukee Hackzall (mini Sawzall) .It cuts through foamboard easily. It does generate some heat, so I kept a block of paraffin wax (canning wax) at hand and wiped the blade with it before every cut. The advantage is that I did not have all of the plastic dust that is created by the saw teeth.
Best way to cut it hook up a wire to battery long enough (9 volt should work for a while) on a switch to make a circuit. Close the switch battery turns thin wire red hot slice your foam
That is awesome family time your teaching your daughters something they will never forget and will always remember helping you with the shop ...Hats off to you brother love the video ...
To cut that insulation foam board try using a wide blade retractable utility knife. With a couple of easy passes you'll make a very smooth cut about a 3rd way through the board and then you can simply snap it off. Real simple. It is by far the easiest way.
That is going to make a world of difference come this winter. You said you're putting in a wood stove also, right? If so, it will be nice as all get out in there in the winter.
Hi Chad it has been a while I thought you were not doing homesteading type of videos any more.I thought you were doing car stuff anyways nice to see you back.Those girls of yours are i believe rare such hard workers so helpful to good old dad.Great job on the wood stacking girls your a lucky man Chad.See you on the next one bye from Quebec Canada.
Hi Jim! How have you been? Well after reading all the comments from the video we put out about not post much on this channel anymore I’ve changed my mind.. I realized that viewers like yourself and many others have invested lots of time watching our videos and to be honest you all helped keep me going during some of the hardest times of my life. And just to abandoned all of you seemed a bit wrong and I kinda miss everyone! 😆 Glad your back too! See you soon Jim! Take care!
The start of this video reminds me exactly if my family. We live in long island new york, My kids in my wife helped me split wood as well.. Awesome to see this enjoy your family great video
Great video of how to be a dad. Construction info was good but the unsaid lessons of work and including the goofy kids to learn to do for themselves was awesome. Great job dad!!!
the concept of the steel siding letting air flow behind the insulation panels looks like a great place for mice just to climb up and have a little home so a cheap solution would be Dollar Store stainless steel scrubbies you can just stretch them out cut them and just put the little pieces in between every Gap in the siding to hopefully stop the mice. PS my friend had a quonset hut with the spray insulation and lived next to cornfield the mice turn that stuff into hundreds of tunnels it was a nightmare for him.
You are soo lucky your girls like working with you! Shows they are very comfortable being around you unlike the joke about "I used to hold the flashlight for my dad".
I hope you checked the chemical reaction between the adhesive and insulation, glue tends to melt that type of insulation. We usually have to have to use a special adhesive, or caulk, or metal seam tape in your scenario. An electric kitchen knife or hot knife also makes short work of the cutting.
Thank you Alvin. The adhesive we are using is for foam board. We don’t want to use a hot knife as the smoke from foam is usually quite toxic and the old timer hand saw works quite well. 🪚
I use a wide blade kitchen carving knife, sharpened briefly on a grinding wheel. (I want the slight serration) And I do not cut the full 3 inch thickness. I cut perhaps 3.4 of an inch deep,, sometimes I cut both sides. If a shallow cut and a long blade,, it self guides to a degree,, score and snap it. A retractable matte knife works fine too. Again,, don't try to cut all the way through. Score both sides,, and then slide the sheet so the cut line is exactly above the edge of the bench,, or edge of the stack of sheets. Give a quick push,, it snaps
We love our closed cell spray foam. Not only is our home better insulated, it actually cuts down on outside noise. We used to hear cars passing by all the time (we're not far from the street), now it is perfectly quiet inside.
Bc you have not had an issue yet,,,,,SORRY,BUT YOU WILL,,,,START TO SAVE SOME BUCKS NOW,I AM A 28YR DRYWALLER,AND HAVE BEEN ON SOME BIG McMansions that had to gave roofs removed and replaced,homeowners were never happy,even ones with the money,,,,you have to move out,,and you will be out for a while as well,,,,,people are dumb,A PRO SHOWING problems that will arise in time,and requires them to sign off on warnings,and no responsibility statement,and I bet they still try to sue him when crap starts,,DEMS ANYWAY
I'm in lower Michigan and building a 30×40 barndo in the spring 2023. I don't want mice and snakes coming in so I'm caulking every peephole you showed. I get venting but not me. I may change my mind a few times before I start. Wood burning and ceiling fans all across the open lofted ceiling. It's just me now and my 3 dogs. The front will be all windows. I get so much sunlight daily. I was quoted 100k by a contractor but the Amish do it for alot less. RUclips taught me all the pex plumbing and I already know all the electrical so praying for a smooth transition.
I’m considering stuffing steel wool or copper mesh in those openings. I don’t think mice will chew up the foam board but they may make some smelly nests behind em
Better to use standard insulation over spray foam so you're doing good. Everyone down the road has some sort of issue with it either it doesn't mix right and never cures and off gases or people seal their building so tight they end up with mold issues from any little moisture or they end rotting there structure because they get a leak in the outside envelope and the water ends up following the wood studs or purlings with no signs until its to late and your structure is rotted and ready to fall down. I'm a contractor by trade and see the crap all the time, I couldn't tell you how many roofs we have had to cut completely off because they were spray foamed and they got a leaks in the shingles ot vents or skylights and the water followed the sheating and trusses rotting them away and owners had no clue of the leaks till they had to spend 10s of thousands of dollars in new trusses and roofing. Spray foam has been keeping us pretty busy the last few years I don't recommend it to anyone we build for, I direct them right away from it and the ones who insist on it I put it in writing that none of the work is guaranteed at all and I show them the damage that having spray foam causes and most of them will steer away from it but a few insist on it.
Thanks buddy... I will not use spay form for future build, u r right.. Some video on yt show people have bad smell with spray form ... End up cost ton of money to remove all spray form ... Not sure how can they remove all if that sprayform and the smell could still remain. The spray form really sticky to the wood... Wrong mix could cost someone a home.... And health....
As much as I love the concept of spray foam because of the air tightness and the monolithic end result, the fact remains that the process of manufacturing foam requires an extremely controlled environment (temperature, humidity, ventilation) which is almost impossible to achieve on site. Foam is best when manufactured in a factory.
Even if stars align and you do get things right, sometimes life happens and you have to repair a section. A lot easier to remove this stuff in the event that you have to do a repair to a section of wall. While PL premium is top notch stuff, its overkill. I would use the PL 300 stuff meant for foam board. It's cheaper, easier to clean up when wet, and easier to undo after drying without damaging the foam boards.
years ago when i hung drywall the first time i encountered spray insulation there was black mold all over the place and everywhere it wasnt trimmed right it made the drywall bulge
@@sdmc1972 Inteligent people know CCF spray foam can't be trimmed without losing all its vapor barrier qalities. People are so dangerous...
They are the hardest working young women I have ever seen. Good Job, Dad.
And they bring chocolate cake. Great kids!
I am not here to comment about the insulation but how great of a father you are by not only teaching your daughters about how to work with tools and spending time with them. Reminds me when my daughter was their ages and every time i had a project to do around the house she was right there wondering what i was doing, handing me tools which she made up different names for them, i.e. needle nose pliers was "nose pickers". Now i don't worry about her needing to get a repair person for majority of the things around the house. When it comes to something new she don't know about , she calls me ask for me to come over and talk her thru it, and boom, she's done it and learned a new thing. In fact her 2 younger brothers are the same way.
Well done...to the dad for being willing to teach his daughters about the rewards of working with your hands to create something and to the daughters for being open to learning how to do things that really make a difference to a family.
Thank you Howard
It's good that you're teaching a bunch of "gurls" how to do some so called "manual labor". Everyone should know how to take care of themselves and do some handiwork. Everyone including "gurls" should know how to change a tire, and check the oil and water in their cars/trucks. Not a good idea for a woman to be stranded alone and out in the middle of nowhere on a dark night. And everyone should always have a cell phone and a charger in their car/truck. And maybe a small handgun.
This reminds me of how I was brought up. I'm a female and I grew up on construction sites with my Dad. You are giving your girls invaluable skills. Please believe me when they get older they are gonna truly appreciate it.
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Two things...
1) You are doing a great job raising your family.
2) You are SPOT ON ...about spray foam..DO NOT USE IT !
Thanks for the education!!!
Young man, I've said it before and I'll continue to say it... you are so blessed to have those beautiful young ladies as your daughters! I am just so impressed by the fact that they aren't afraid to try anything! And they seem to be growing up so fast!! In no time Taleah will be heading out into the world to start her own family and then Autumn will be doing the same...then Tylynn and before you know it, Haylee will be heading out! Enjoy every second with them! You're doing a fantastic job teaching them!! Well done! Take care, be safe and God bless!
Thank you Jim! Yes they are growing so fast!
Beautiful family
The girls may decide not to have children at a young age, or not at all.
2 55 gallon drums are 1500 bucks.. 2 barrels will do 6000 sq ft.. that pink stuff is not as good as spray foam. It dont seal the way spray does..
@@nunyabiz8708 Where do I get these 55 gallon drums of spray foam?
Those girls using the teamwork method of passing that wood to stack it up is the neatest thing ever!! You've done well Mom n Dad.... Absolutely warms my heart to see this.
You should have cut strips of 1 1/2 to fit between the 2x6s then put the 2 inch over that. I didn't on one of the walls in my shop and I basically created mouse condominiums with roads. When I took some of mine down i had a mess. Blocking the pathways with more foam board helps a lot with rodents.
Exactly. The snakes will follow the mice. The bugs and spiders will love that air space too. I wouldn't be surprised if the bees find it and build a hive in there.
I do love the idea of sealing in between the boards. I'll be doing that on the wall I have to redo. That'll definitely keep the bugs down.
I totally agree. I live in the mountains over 6k feet and I fill in every hole possible else it will become a nest for rodents and an entry place for bugs. I'd never allow the holes on the bottom to be there. I'd fill up every hole.
If you have rodent problem just put out equal amount of cornmeal and baking soda.
It will not harm dogs or cats , just rids the mice and rats.
If rat guard is used on exterior when siding is installed,then caulk any gaps at bottom it will help immensely
So awesome to see your girls in there helping and learning. It will last them a lifetime. It's so gratifying when they get older and apply what they learned enough to call you and say thanks. My daughter is in her 40's now and thanks me regularly since she is now a 1st time homeowner and dads 18 hrs away.
Hey! That was fun to watch. The little saw you bought for 16.00 is actually designed to cut Mineral Wool or in most cases Roxul products. A hot wire is the best way to cut foam. The reason that spray foam is so expensive is the result of the snow storm in Texas a couple years ago. Spray foam is two part and the Red or common part is mostly manufactured by one company that has never caught up to demand. I work for Canada's largest Insulation distributor and had a blast watching your video. While there are a lot of ways to do a hot wire you managed very well. Great video, great fun and great kids ... Cheers from Nova Scotia
I found my table saw did an excellent job. A little messy, and keep a shop vac handy to keep the foam debris out of the motor. Hot wire would be nice though.
I was just about to comment saying the same thing. Thought I'd stop using our bread knife for cutting Roxul batts and bought one of those. Aside from that I finished my basement with the styrofoam boards made for interior walls, but they interlocked to have a good seal in between and a 1/4 cost of spray foam and no where near as messy. Its been very warm for 8+ years in Canadian winters.
Great family help
Cutting foam is work. My method is a sharp 4” wide putty knife for the long cuts. Sharpen one side well, bothering several passes along a straight edge to set the line. A couple more passes with pressure and you will be over half way through. Then you can snap the rest off along your cut. I do use a saw for the detail cuts. Thanks
I've tried insulation knives, bread knives, putty knives for cutting foam. What worked best for me was an 18" snap off knife. Can get them for a few bucks at the big box stores.
Measure, score with a straight edge. Cut a bit deeper next pass, repeat a third time. Gives very clean, precise cuts easily. Snap off the end blade once it starts dragging and swap out knives every few boards.
You are very funny and smart👍🏽 and the girls are so helpful. You made me giggle so much with your quick wit😊 subbed.
It's so nice to see the kids learning how to do stuff. It will benefit them forever.
I think it’s awesome that you’re teaching your daughters how to do this kind of stuff! ❤
I love the way you are raising your daughters. Never got married and I always wanted to have daughters in the image of there mother. Keep on teaching them the way you are.👍👍👍👍
Your lucky to have so much good help. Never heard one complaint. Teaching good work ethic and independence. Good for you!
Tuck tape is best to seal up the flat foam to foam connections and then use canned foam for angles or any awkward, gappy areas. Need a sealant at the floor to foam connection as well.
You produce great videos. It's great to see your kid's helping out with your homestead, most kid's these days won't do this.
I got told some four decades ago: Kids are just the product of their surroundings.
I didnt really understand this then, but in the decades since then i learned how true that is.
Thank you David
@@flybywire5866 it's true! My Dad was a hard worker that passed his ideas and ethics on to me. I did the same with my son. Hopefully he can do the same with his son.
Forget the hand saw use a circular saw
I score with a razor knife and snap it like drywall. Very clean way to do it.
What a fun dad. The girls are blessed to have you.
Thank you
Well... what was supposed to be a video about insulation differences (and I did learn that), ended up being a restoration in faith of humanity. Love seeing the family being together for all the chores needing to be done - related to each one's capabilities. Good dad!
Thanks for taking the time to produce this. Now I know what to do for insulating my own. (can I borrow your family? jkjk).
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Great job Dad! You are definitely setting your girls up for success. Teaching them to work with their hands and not being afraid to get dirtied up in the process.
Beautiful work - Beautiful family!
We need more of this in today’s world.
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I would use a small bead of spray foam between each sheet instead of PL adhesive. Also start by placing the first sheet on the bottom (beded in spray foam) then stack the next sheets on the way up, leave a 1/8" to 1/4" gap on the sides then fill the side gaps with spray foam. Alternatively there is special tape for sealing foamboard seams.
Yes I definitely use the spray foam between sheets.
It's so heartwarming to watch you giving your beautiful young ladies great lessons in building and creating things. It's a incredible honor to be able to do that for youngsters. It ensures their future of self sustenance and the ability of being able to handle anything life throws at them.
Watching them just stack the wood blew me away!!! They learned there's strength in numbers!!! Keep up the great work brother, I'm looking forward to watching more of your progress!!!
You've got such a great family. Kudos!
I'm a retired GC 48 yrs lived in the
UP. Moved to Florida in
1978. Built many steel buildings and pole barns
Those bottom holes you are
Using for venting allows
Rodents (mice)
To move in and they will
They will eat holes in the
Insulation We used a manufactured "L" flashing
Around the bottom
You could still do that
Thank you Al. We will be putting in an L flashing. Thank you for the tip. We’ll be doing an update video also at some point. Hope you’re having a great day.
I guess I’m not understanding your analogy on the “Death Plug” it’s not hooked to grid power at all. It’s only powered when the generator is plugged into it. Anyway take care
You are truly blessed. A family that prays together and works together stays together. God bless you and your beautiful family
That's a good hard working family you got going there sir !!!! Seeing kids not glued to some sort of electronic device gives me hope that's there's still some good parents in the world raising their kids the right way !!!
props to you for being a good dad, work is good for everyone :)
Thank you
Thank you SO much for the laughs! I have Raised 5 children and have 3 grandkids I adopted at wonderful teen age. Love the signage on protecting your hearing. God bless your daughters for stacking that wood perfectly. You did good.
Great to see your family working together. Learning at a young age stays with them for a lifetime.
As a dad, I very much appreciate your candor. Love it!
Great parenting!!! You’ll never regret the time you spent with your daughters. And they’ll never forget the time they spent with their father.
Jig saw with fine teeth works wonders for cutting the pink insulation.
It's great the way you worked with your kids. That's real memory making. I would always let my sons work with me when I would do household projects, build custom cars or work on the motorcycles. We all learned something. To this day, we all put the things we learned to use.
You are a good man - teaching your children to live LIFE !
Love the interaction with your girls. Great job. Something they’ll talk about the rest of their lives.👍
👍 I did the same with rigid foam and saved a ton over spraying. My hand will never be the same after cutting each piece by hand lol. Don’t make my mistake- Get a heated element knife. Cuts that stuff like a hot knife going through butter.
Be careful with that wood pile… The weight of all the combined wood is more than enough for that corner support.
Adding the foam to your garage doors will change the weight of the doors which will effect the counter balance with the spring. You may need to add tension to the springs.
Those 1.5” boards are very lightweight but yes the springs on the doors already need attention as they only have one of the springs attached at the moment. It looks scary but I’ll probably put a helmet and shoulder pads on and try to attach that soon! 😆
Adding tension will not be enough you will need new springs. Tension may get you by for awhile but it won't be long and they will break so they get replaced anyway.
@@johnlonghair6461 Correct. those foam boards seem light but they do effect the weight and balance of a garage door more than would be expected.
Adding tension does not increase the amount of weight a spring lifts to any worthwhile degree. It just moves the problem you have to a different point of travel.
If you add tension and make the door lighter on the floor you just move that problem to the fully opened position and make the door hard to close.
A lot of garage door techs are hacks so if one ever told you this works get a new door guy.
Yes this will Warrant a new set of springs.
I really enjoy seeing the girls help out. There are so many skills that children can learn watching and assisting 'geterdun' relatives.
I appreciate you teaching your kids your craft. I learned the basics from my dad and have expanded that knowledge base when needed.
The girls are a wonderful help! They sure help in the family. Dad, you are raising them up right. Great video.
Thank you
You're building character in those girls that will last them a lifetime. Families like yours give me hope for our future.
Iv worked for a spray foam company.....your doing the right thing!.... we had more problems with the guns and equipment!!!
Great to see the kids out working and helping. They might not understand now but they will be a lot better off in life later on.
Well, that was the most wholesome thing I've watched since I saw that Mister Rogers documentary. You get a sub just for being awesome. That's just some top-flight parenting. Thanks for making your corner of the world a little better.
It's always good to see an awesome Dad working with his kids teaching them skills and hard work insulation is looking great keep up the great content
Thank you. ❤️
You are an awesome father for teaching your kids how to build stuff.
It's always a good day to get a video from you guys. Keep safe on the homestead
Thank you Paul! Have a great day
Former contractor here (now retired) and have never been a fan of spray foam insulation (too many issues).
Also, if you ever have to remove a sealed wall, insulation panels are waaay easier to deal with.
I can't stress enough the importance of air flow and ventilation if you don't want future problems.
I'll take a structure that "breaths" any day!!! And, a jigsaw works the best for cutting.
Ex Yooper here. Thanks for showing this. My husband wanted to spray foam ours...this video quickly talked him out of it 🤣
Oh you’re welcome! 😆
Great job teaching the girls how to use tools and their hands to make things. That's more educational than anything they will learn in today's schools. Great parenting!
Thank you very much
The walls are going to be full of critters . If you need ventilation , fill the openings with stainless steel wool . I have used it to keep out critters as small as ants .
The spiders will take care of the critters that happen to make it past the permythrin
Steel wool turns to rust
Steel wool is flammable not to smart
@@craigchenery604 the foam sheets he is using are way more flammable than steel wool unless I’m missing what you are saying.
@@bluntone2273 no your right guess it wouldn't matter
I started the video for the content but the bond you are making with ur daughters melted my heart. U are a super lucky and a good dad
😊 thank you
You have some good girls there....they listen to what you say and are hard workers....you are raising them right.....WAY TO ROCK IT GIRLS
Thank you Gary
Great video. FYI, I just saw another channel have to remove their metal siding and add the metal covering the bottom of the sheet metal to prevent mice from going up the grooves in the metal siding. Mice can destroy your insulation from the inside out.
Great job staking woods ladies
It sure is nice having 20 cord all put up just in time for the winter.
I like that you are teaching your children. FYI: I saw that you have a hoist attached to the bottom chord of the roof truss. The top chord is the load bearing part of the truss. The bottom chord is typically designed for minimal loading.
Thank you. That hoist was there when we purchased the home. I’m assuming they used it for processing their deer. But it has been taken down.
One Pair No Spare !!! Great video, my kids are in there 40’s and are truly a blessing to my wife and I, and I think it’s because of family participation in everything we did #1 was church all the way to house building, to family business, keep it up !!!
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Notice how the boards are scored, so you can easily snap them into halves or thirds? You can use a utility knife to make score marks wherever you need to snap off a chunk. HTH ✊🤓💜
You have the Greatest Crew. Daughters are so special!
Thank you Johnny
I’m glad the whole family is backed miss you all big time
Hi Allan! We’re glad we’re back too! Missed all you guys too!
I get a big smile when I see you post a video. Just love the whole family.
Hi Christina! Hope you’re doing well! Have a great day!
You've got a great team - an all GIRL team to help you, Chad! I don't know if they complain any when you give them chores to do but even if they do grouse a little, they get the job done. That's the important thing! Your shop/garage is going to be so much more comfortable year round with that insulation. It'll be a pleasure to work out there. God bless you all and I look forward to seeing the progress at your homestead each time you post!
I’m all honestly they don’t ever complain unless I tell them we have to get something done before we can do something else, like go to the beach or something fun! 😆 Most of the time I’m right there working with them and they really enjoy it.
@@9252LIFE you've got some great kids and you and Naomi have done a great job raising them! 👏
It doesn’t surprise me that your girls step up like they do despite your picking. It won’t be because they weren’t taught that is for sure. Be proud of them as I am for they are not mine. You’ve done well and it helps when you have good help. The girls aren’t slow either. They fire chained that firewood. Great teamwork. Most impressive. Thank them always for good help is hard to find and very rare nowadays. Press on sir!
Those girls are amazing Chad . You two are amazing parents . So excited to see another video from you . 🙏💕
Thank you Carolyn! Hope you’re doing well! Take care
A great dad can teach a skill and have fun doing it. Nicely done!
Thank you Philip!
We had the same problem when insulating an addition, and most recently a post frame woodshop. The spray foam guys wanted insane prices!! 6k for the tiny addition -more than the addition itself costed! The cost for the woodshop was close to 20k! We used batt insulation with Insul-Hold strips on 3 of the walls, XPS and batts on one wall, and batt and blow-in in the ceiling. If you are willing to do it yourself, you can save massive amounts of money! Note: Foamboard adhesive works dramatically better on XPS foam like that, and you can cut the XPS by scoring and snapping, cut it on a table saw, or a very sharp knife as well.
Most foam installers have base charges or minimums. They have to spend just as much time driving to a small job and set everything up vs a large job which is a good portion of the work since spraying it is actually fast. The cost of spray foam isn't worth it since foamboard is almost just as good if you use can spray foam to seal the edges. You also risk ruining your house with the toxic VOCs if the spray foam isn't done correctly and you can't remove it without tearing the walls down and it will smell for decades. You also have issues with adding electrical or plumbing but ya... spray foam Costs too much for the minimum benefits and risks it brings.
@@randybobandy9828 I agree 100% randy! The price we were quoted for spray foam for our post frame woodshop was more than it costed me to build the building! No way that was happening!
It's awesome that you've got your daughters helping you. What a great experience for them. One hint on cutting foam. Use a Jig Saw with a long blade. Cuts like a hot knife through butter.
You can use a circular or table saw to cut your insulation also.
Great to see the kids join in and help.
Great content.
Thank you
Usually you should wear safety glasses but I’m standing on a ladder so it’s okay… I love it! A man after my own heart.
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I did my shop roof a few years back. Made a huge difference! HOT TIP--Your sawsall, circular saw or table saw would be much quicker and likely produce cleaner cuts. Even if the latter two will not cut all the way through, it's still far less hand work. Thanks for sharing this great project with us!
Thank you! Have a great day!
@@9252LIFE I made myself a foam cutter because I was using the foam board with the reflective siding. It worked great with no mess. There are videos here on youtube that show how to make them.
Sawzall works OK ,but circular saws turn to fast and melt the foam making a goo mess. Handsaw gives the most controled cut.
@@dalerounds4036 Interesting. Circ saw works great for me. Maybe blades & saws are different?
@@branchandfoundry560 how thick was the foam board though, closed cell or open cell? Doesn't work well on closed cell over 2 in. 5800 rpm skillsaw made a messy cut.
I’m impressed of how hard your daughters are working and learning! They do more work in one day than my lazy son does in a month!
Lucky you. That’s a year for me. If I’m lucky.
Looking great Chad those girls never cease to amaze me you and the Mrs. have done an outstanding job raising them the dig right in and stay focused till the task is done and learn every step of the way i did a 32×50 pole barn the same as your doing some 20 yrs.ago that's the cheapest and most efficient way to do it labor intensive but so rewarding have a great week all of you see you on the next one or the car channel
Thank you Jim! Hope you’re doing well and having an awesome day! See you soon!
Love it. You teach the kids. Not by just telling But by also saying WHY. AWSOME 😊😊
😊 thank you
Your channel is always fun to watch Chad .. I’m so glad there will be no hiking through two feet of snow at 6 in the morning just to get to the car this year. It’s great to see all the family working together!🎉❤
Oh man Bruce I am so glad those craZy hiking days are over! 😆
Should have put some sort of screen at the bottom purlin to keep the mice out. They are going to love the insulated condo you just built them. They might even put in a window through the insulation to see inside the building. 🐭
If you look at the next video we install a rat guard .
@@9252LIFE ok, nice! I’m at constant war with mice in my building.
I bought a spray foam setup to do my steel building after seeing my neighbor use insulation boards years back. His metal rusted pretty quick due to sweating. At least use butyl tape on the board's perimeter so there's no air penetration, that stuff stays pliable and sticky no matter what temps drop to. Great channel BTW, I subbed, you got a nice setup!
Thank you Gene!
You can always add a vapor barrier, simple fix. It also depends on if you're in the north or south. Sealing the foam from the inside will be enough in cold dry climate but you need to seal the outside in the humid south.
Love it that you get your kids out “doing”. Love them by teaching them. Great video, wasn’t interested in insulation though. Was interested in watching you model to those kids.
Safety glasses are no joke. I had a 16 Penney nail come back and stick in my eye when hammering on hard oak. Since then I live with one eye. Now I always wear glasses.
Teachin' the girls right!
They have plastic washers so when you use screws they do not just sink into the foam but hold it securely. Also easier to tape the joints then use caulking. Mice will enter all those metal siding channels. There was a trim that would have blocked the channels along the bottom.
I used the starter on mine but I’m not convinced it will deter mice and bugs, there is still a 1/16-1/8 gap seen from inside the building.
Trying to decide how to seal that
Enjoy the video I glad your teaching your girls to work together good memories that they will never forget
Another great video everyone! It looks like things are getting done for those cold winters up there. Here in southern Virginia it is a remarkable 80 degrees today. Too bad I don't have those girls to help me get a few things done. I'd really like to get my 2 decks painted before winter but at my age I have a hard time getting motivated. LOL A shout out to Tylynn for making me laugh when she started out the video showing those cannons. 😊 I knew it was going to be a good video. Looking forward to the next one and I hope all continues to go well for everyone there. Have fun, enjoy life, be safe. 🙏
Hi Gary! Wow 80 degrees! That’s way too hot! 😆 Take care and you enjoy life and be safe as well!
Great job staking the wood young ladies
Thank you!
I remember doing a lot of this same stuff with my dad about sixty years ago and I felt good about being able to help (although always under pressure to not screw something up). My dad wasn't nearly as nice about explaining how to do it first heh. I did learn a lot as it just so happened (or else) and as a result, I always felt pretty confident to try to do my own repairs (home and auto) as an adult. But I sure wish that I had Utube back then heh. You are doing a great job with your family...I know the difference.
Supper Dad thanks for working with your daughter may God
Blessed you
Nice job. When I did the same thing in my garage, I took a long 6" Sawzall blade, ground the teeth off and made a knife edge instead. I used a Milwaukee Hackzall (mini Sawzall) .It cuts through foamboard easily. It does generate some heat, so I kept a block of paraffin wax (canning wax) at hand and wiped the blade with it before every cut. The advantage is that I did not have all of the plastic dust that is created by the saw teeth.
Even if spray in was cheaper, I'd still never use it. What you are doing is great. I only use spray foam for sealing cracks.
Best way to cut it hook up a wire to battery long enough (9 volt should work for a while) on a switch to make a circuit. Close the switch battery turns thin wire red hot slice your foam
That sounds great but when foam burns and creates smoke it is VERY toxic.
@@9252LIFEyour not burning it you are melting foam
That is awesome family time your teaching your daughters something they will never forget and will always remember helping you with the shop ...Hats off to you brother love the video ...
Thank you Jim
To cut that insulation foam board try using a wide blade retractable utility knife. With a couple of easy passes you'll make a very smooth cut about a 3rd way through the board and then you can simply snap it off. Real simple. It is by far the easiest way.
I considered that but was scared to wreck a $58 piece of foam board! 😆
Blessed beyond with your daughters. Learning so much. Awesome work.
That is going to make a world of difference come this winter. You said you're putting in a wood stove also, right? If so, it will be nice as all get out in there in the winter.
We already have a wood stove in there. Came with the place. Brand new! And yea it’s going to be a nice place to hang out in this winter for sure!
@@9252LIFE - Ok. Must’ve seen it durning your tour. Is that where y’all will be doing the car builds?
@@PaullaWells we’ll be doing here and at joes in his garage.
@@9252LIFE That's awesome! He's got a rad garage too!
It's a beautiful thing seeing those kids helping you don't see that every day. Now days some kids don't want to help at all.....
Hi Chad it has been a while I thought you were not doing homesteading type of videos any more.I thought you were doing car stuff anyways nice to see you back.Those girls of yours are i believe rare such hard workers so helpful to good old dad.Great job on the wood stacking girls your a lucky man Chad.See you on the next one bye from Quebec Canada.
Hi Jim! How have you been? Well after reading all the comments from the video we put out about not post much on this channel anymore I’ve changed my mind.. I realized that viewers like yourself and many others have invested lots of time watching our videos and to be honest you all helped keep me going during some of the hardest times of my life. And just to abandoned all of you seemed a bit wrong and I kinda miss everyone! 😆 Glad your back too! See you soon Jim! Take care!
The start of this video reminds me exactly if my family. We live in long island new york, My kids in my wife helped me split wood as well.. Awesome to see this enjoy your family great video
Congrats on the million view video !!!
Thanks man!
Great video of how to be a dad. Construction info was good but the unsaid lessons of work and including the goofy kids to learn to do for themselves was awesome. Great job dad!!!
the concept of the steel siding letting air flow behind the insulation panels looks like a great place for mice just to climb up and have a little home so a cheap solution would be Dollar Store stainless steel scrubbies you can just stretch them out cut them and just put the little pieces in between every Gap in the siding to hopefully stop the mice. PS my friend had a quonset hut with the spray insulation and lived next to cornfield the mice turn that stuff into hundreds of tunnels it was a nightmare for him.
You are soo lucky your girls like working with you! Shows they are very comfortable being around you unlike the joke about "I used to hold the flashlight for my dad".
I hope you checked the chemical reaction between the adhesive and insulation, glue tends to melt that type of insulation. We usually have to have to use a special adhesive, or caulk, or metal seam tape in your scenario. An electric kitchen knife or hot knife also makes short work of the cutting.
Thank you Alvin. The adhesive we are using is for foam board. We don’t want to use a hot knife as the smoke from foam is usually quite toxic and the old timer hand saw works quite well. 🪚
I use a wide blade kitchen carving knife, sharpened briefly on a grinding wheel. (I want the slight serration) And I do not cut the full 3 inch thickness. I cut perhaps 3.4 of an inch deep,, sometimes I cut both sides. If a shallow cut and a long blade,, it self guides to a degree,, score and snap it. A retractable matte knife works fine too. Again,, don't try to cut all the way through. Score both sides,, and then slide the sheet so the cut line is exactly above the edge of the bench,, or edge of the stack of sheets. Give a quick push,, it snaps
We love our closed cell spray foam. Not only is our home better insulated, it actually cuts down on outside noise. We used to hear cars passing by all the time (we're not far from the street), now it is perfectly quiet inside.
Bc you have not had an issue yet,,,,,SORRY,BUT YOU WILL,,,,START TO SAVE SOME BUCKS NOW,I AM A 28YR DRYWALLER,AND HAVE BEEN ON SOME BIG McMansions that had to gave roofs removed and replaced,homeowners were never happy,even ones with the money,,,,you have to move out,,and you will be out for a while as well,,,,,people are dumb,A PRO SHOWING problems that will arise in time,and requires them to sign off on warnings,and no responsibility statement,and I bet they still try to sue him when crap starts,,DEMS ANYWAY
I'm in lower Michigan and building a 30×40 barndo in the spring 2023. I don't want mice and snakes coming in so I'm caulking every peephole you showed. I get venting but not me. I may change my mind a few times before I start. Wood burning and ceiling fans all across the open lofted ceiling. It's just me now and my 3 dogs. The front will be all windows. I get so much sunlight daily. I was quoted 100k by a contractor but the Amish do it for alot less. RUclips taught me all the pex plumbing and I already know all the electrical so praying for a smooth transition.
I’m considering stuffing steel wool or copper mesh in those openings. I don’t think mice will chew up the foam board but they may make some smelly nests behind em