Will Heaven get Boring?
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Fr. Pine explains why the beatific vision will never get boring, and how desire actually plays into true fulfillment.
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Matt Fradd I am absolutely terrified of Christ’s second coming and of going to heaven. i just feel like it’s gonna be absolutely nuts when everything starts popping off on earth and my soul leaves my body and God willing I’m in heaven or being judged
@@jacobatchley4025 seems like you been reading/watching too much fanfic
Wonderfully learned priest. Hope to meet him in heaven one day. God protect him.
Wow... What you said.
I straight up disagree with the notion that those destined for Hell are living in Hell on Earth and those destined for Heaven and living Heaven on Earth. If anything my entire life has shown me the complete opposite to be true, and the writings of the Saints allude to this as well. Personally I think it's a dangerous idea, and may even lead some very Holy people who are constantly suffering for God to become despondent.
This was one of the best shows/episodes I’ve ever listened to. Period.
This is everything a Catholic convertee like me needs to listen.This priest a living Joy happen to come across through this.
Matt, please interview that priest more often. Fr. Pine I think his name. May God bless you and him.😍
I’ve watched this over 15 times and still get more from it each time
Fr. Pine's explanation of heaven in this video is so beautiful and so inspiring, I typed out his words to reflect more deeply on what he is saying. I have never been more excited at the prospect of going to heaven. This image of heaven has come to my mind every day since I've heard it here months ago. It inspires my actions daily. Thank you both!
I don’t want to burst your bubble but this only speculation. Plus we should be driven to go to heaven because it’s the dwelling place of God. But I like you probably every Christian doesn’t want heaven to be boring. But ask yourself can this life be better than the one to come? Of course not. That is not speculation. We k ow that we won’t have pain or crying or mourning that is NOT speculation. If we won’t have these things there must be many things to have joy in doing in heaven. It’s eternity there will never ever ever be a “moment” in which we won’t have anything to do
Don't worry, you don't have the power to 'burst my bubble'. I'm also not concerned heaven will be boring at all. Fr. Pine's 'speculation' is based on his deep, prayerful study of St. Thomas Aquinas' 'speculation'...and that's good enough for me to be inspired. God knows my heart and that I love Him and that heaven is truly being united with Him. You can be excited for the details of your wedding day and at the same time, understand that the depths of your heart are with your spouse.
Can you upload what you typed somewhere maybe on another social channel?
I know heaven is going to be amazing and beautiful but living there forever makes me feel weird and sometimes I’d rather not exist than to live forever in heaven
I have similar thoughts. Eternity scares us because we cant comprhend it. Like God. He is eternal and our minds can't make sense of it
That’s a classic case of Apeirophobia. It’s the fear of eternity and most humans have it. I always wonder things like will I get bored or will I have control of what I do because if I do have control I can sin.
thats my problem i dont wanna die i wanna make it to heaven but i am scared of living for eternity it just makes me so scared
If it helps, remember that eternity in Heaven also means an eternity without suffering. I mean to say that when we get to Heaven we will not suffer from apeirophobia at all. Furthermore, we will not grow tired, but rather will be satified continually.
But I know what you mean. It's overwelming for sure.
I'm not scared at all,i can't wait to hang out with my cousins and brothers i didn't meet cuz they were little, we have all the time and love and wisdom from God to have a good time. We gonna have beatific vision, with all that wisdom we gonna come up with the best jokes.
I had to listen to this multiple times. It was that great!
Same. So much was packed into every sentence.
me too
I probably listened to it 3+ times and was writing everything i could down!
What a blessing, to find something very special like this video. Thanks for having this discussion!
Thanks Matt. Beautiful. God bless you Brother.
And thank you Father Pine. Outstanding - God bless you Father.
I watch this clip about once every two weeks.
I'd also like to add, this is also the best explanation of the purpose of our lives that I've ever heard!
Purpose of our lives is to get know God and glorify him
Well spoken and explained. God bless you Fr Pine 🙏🏼
Thanks Matt!! I love to hear about Heaven! Our final destination.
Listening to this makes me want to be better. To grow that vessel to be filled later as much as I can. Oh, so many shortcomings to overcome.
Being able to let go of desires in order to genuinely and more fully appreciate the pleasures of God's gifts is the Heaven already experienced on earth.
This two gentlemen are delightful.❤️
This was good for me because I always wondered like we worship god for internally but after a long time it would get boring but this was a good explanation for me👍🏻
Beautiful, might need to watch it a couple more times!
Fr Pine is awesome. He's so nice!
So beautiful! This just answered so many questions for me. Thank you!
Heaven will never be boring because heaven will be even better than we can imagine
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Yea I call bs, unless they got lakes to fish at, paper to write on, games to play, and not just worshipping an old dude all day
Happy you have recovered. I am thankful to God for your recovery.
Beautiful,beautifu talk thanks! I'm so happy to learn from such a wonderful presentation,it's inspiring and soalsoaring. Some beautiful Hymns come to mind n now become more meaningful to sing ! G B U .
Since God has made promises He WILL keep and I believe He knows what we need in heaven I am sure it WON'T be boring.
Very beautiful vision!
A beautiful vision, but the actual phenomenology of the beatific vision remains obscure. Does memory persist? Does our imaginative space in consciousness (like ability to imagine images, sounds etc.) persist? How does understanding conceptualize the fantasy unfolding before it? A swirl of temporally infinite beauty that can only be made sense of as the direct perception of it? If so, how is the soul experiencing it ME and not merely just “a soul, per se”. What about the ability to perform abstract thought, like math equations? Do mathematicians THINK for eternity? How does the phenomena of heaven relate to the past of life in creation? To what extent does one have a CHOICE about how the beatific vision is experienced? How different is eternity from soul to soul? (The assumption of a universal template to the experience of the vision of God for all saved human souls is, I suspect, naive. Perhaps.) the claim is we have our bodies returned to us, but do we experience movement through reality wholly bodily as we do now, tethered to a sense of gravity? And consciousness itself, is it the same SIZE? Is it literally larger? We take what’s it’s like to be a human now as a given, and project forward. But what COULD it become? It is hard to imagine eternity not getting boring without a creative imagination. Big questions.
In what ways will the person I am here on earth resemble the entity I am in heaven? If you strip away all of my earthly desires, feelings, hopes, dreams, lessons, etc, when I enter heaven, how can you say we are the same person?
The way I think of it is that since we have limited bodies, so we are limited people. Limited people have limited desires. When we drink water on a hot day, we eventually will stop wanting to drink water. In heaven, we are eternal people with eternal desires. With an infinite amount of possibilities, comes infinite desires. We just can't comprehend is through our limited minds.
We won’t be the same person. We’ll be changed into the image of God. We will be like him ☝🏼🙌🏻
Also, im pretty sure God thought of his kids getting bored already,i think it will be impossible and we will be in complete nonstop awe, it does seem scary but we wont know till we get there
I’ll start off by saying I disagree with much of Catholic theology... With that out of the way your discussions have been a huge blessing to me. The Lord has using your ministry to soften my heart. Fr. Pine does a great service to combating the question, “Will heaven be boring?” The only point that made me squirm a little was when he said, “The degree of charity you merited in life is the principle of your enjoyment of the beatific vision”. That theology wreaks (for a lack of a better term at the moment) justification through works. That our merit is gained through what we do after genuine salvation rather than by virtue of being gifted genuine saving faith. I think the Bible is clear that salvation without works is not genuine salvation, it’s also clear that our works do not earn us anything because even our greatest deed isn’t righteous in the eye of the Lord, and the only merit we have is gifted to us as a result of Jesus’ sacrifice.
Either way, you’re doing great work!
Jacob Cox. Salvation and 'degree of Charity merited' are two different things. Trusting in Jesus Christ and His redemptive act of the Cross are necessary to be saved. Baptism makes one a Christian. This act prepares the soul to participate in the Sacraments and life of Christ through His Church. Charity and good works express this belief and build treasure in Heaven. I think this is readily understood. Discover what Catholics actually believe. Read The Fathers, Augustine, The Summa, Cardinal Newman, GK Chesterton, Hilarie Belloc, Frank Sheed and numerous other orthodox writers. You will be drawn into the Catholic Faith. With complete knowledge, the First Church of Christ is irresistible. Come join us.
Ive been crying all the time about wondering if heaven gets boring
What this man is saying mere speculation. He’s never been to heaven he doesn’t know what heaven is like. The Bible tells very little of what heaven actually consist of. This is ONLY speculation. But what you can know is that you will be satisfied. So boring won’t be an option. It can’t be you must be satisfied. Nobody is satisfied with boring
Fr. Pine speaks like Pope Benedict (nee Cdl. Ratzinger) writes.
So if some have smaller vessels does this mean that those with bigger vessels will be happier than them?
Beautiful
You have to live (non peace) to appreciate heaven (peace)
Know one knows but I think it will be peaceful and fun forever
What I'm I supposed to do there anyway lmao
Well it can be easily answered is whatever heaven has in store for us can what be bored when the Bible clearly points to us having no pain or mourning or crying. We will have joy.
I didn't and did understand what Fr said, if that makes sense. Must work on my charity while I still have breath. My vessle is by no means a swimming pool, maybe a thimble, but that may be pushing it.
I'm Muslim, i watched this anyways, just wanted to say, have a lovely day everyone! 🥰
If you want to, join the Jesus league! God/Jesus loves you, bro! Again, join only if you want to!
Can I haz smart thoughts too?
So will we have free will in heaven? If so, how will we not fall again, and if not, then why do we have it on earth?
We won’t fall for the same reason that a perfectly rational man in a normal set of circumstances won’t intentionally cut all of his limbs off. We’re all technically capable of doing that whenever we want, but it’s so obviously, viscerally terrible that we would never
This is an interesting perspective and might be a good prediction as to what happens in the afterlife. However, most of what this guy said is just his opinion and is not based on any scripture.
Beautiful 💖
Question please: do if we cease to merit at the moment of death, then what is the use of praying for souls in purgatory? If they cannot grow further than they did when alive, do we still need to pray for them? Does our prayers still help them?
Our prayers help them enter heaven sooner, lessening their pain.
Please don’t believe the catholic doctrine. Completely false. Paul says it best, to be absent with the body is to be present with the Lord!
probably the purgatory it's only a phase.. and maybe the souls there have not reached that glory yet
I’ve always understood that it’s because they can’t do anything further for themselves, like pray or do acts of penance. They need our help. Much like asking a friend to pray for you while you’re both still living your earthly lives, You appreciate and have hope that your friend’s prayers will be helpful to you, but you can still also pray for yourself, as well. Once your soul leaves your body at death, you can no longer do anything for yourself.
@@KyleWilliamsMusic1 yeah the Catholics get it wrong on the teaching of Jesus and the Bible. Unfortunately so many people listen to this guy as if he’s been to heaven yet the Bible says what no eyes seen and what ear has ever heard. This is mere speculation in what this man says. He is not an eye witness. People need to have faith in God. He has prepared a place for us. We know that there will be no mourning or crying or pain. And just from a philosophical view the heaven experience must be better than anything we’ve experienced on the earth.
I'm scared of death and eternity?
Off the Left eye channel did something on this topic.
Heaven is probably a state of being not a dimension you float about in.
I think the reason why we think eternal life will get boring is because we can't comprehend it since we're not god.🤔
I didnt get the answer of the title
I mean...even if we have everything in heaven...beers food holidays family sex flying anything...after an enormus amount of time like 10 in the power of 10 billion years later, wont we get bored of doing the same things??
I like to think of God as Creator. He's capable of creating for all eternity, which leaves us open to new experiences in Him. I asked this same question in real life, about Heaven getting boring, and it was explained to me that "Revelation 21 and 22 give a wonderful picture of God’s people serving him and ruling over his new creation. It was always God’s will that he would rule the world through human beings made in his image. That rule has now been spoiled by sin but it has been restored through Christ and one day we will perfectly reign with him. The new creation is an affirmation of the present creation and of culture within it. We will be using all the gifts that he has given us in community to continue to use all the resources of creation to build a culture that goes from one degree of perfection to another for God’s eternal praise. I know that leaves many questions unanswered, but it certainly won’t be boring!"
@@libbycatherine that's what I would say
In islam god solves this by making everything in heaven better everyday, so your spouse would get prettier everyday or your house would get better everyday. I personally think that since desire and boredom are a result of our human brain we dont get bored in heaven. In heaven we are not human any more but souls or projection perhaps. So you wouldn't get bored.
@@hmidouchboetekees5320 lol what a liar, in islam there is only sex with virgins for all eternity
@@libbycatherine more work? Screw that, I’ve had to work enough in my lifetime, I need a break from work
So basically we will be slaves to god. Singing and praying and eating for eternity!! This is the only thing that I struggle with being a Christian. Please pray for me to understand Gods will. To understand his scriptures. Because I’m at a crossroad, and starting to lose faith.
It's important to not have an anthropomorphic view of God. Some (erroneously) think that the Christian view is anthropomorphic, but it's not; the whole point is that although God is personal, he is entirely different from us. "I AM" is his name. And so is "Love"; "God is Love".
God is not just some person like you and I, except much more powerful and wise. God is Love. He isn't just loving, he is LOVE. He is the Good itself. Think of the concept of value and beauty; think of what is common and shared between things that you call "beautiful" and "good" or "valuable". God is the source of all that. God is literally Goodness, the perfect form of value.
Is there anything bad in being a slave to Goodness? A slave to Truth? Love? Such a "slavery" is actually freedom. We won't be "singing and praying for all eternity", we will be perfectly satisfied and fulfilled as we explore more and more of God - who is sheer goodness, beauty, and love - alongside our loved ones in the communion of saints.
Anyway, I hope my words don't come off as being too hard to understand or anything. I hope they help a little. Have a great day.
We wouldn’t be slaves. God isn’t forcing us to do anything. As Christians, we want to worship God, right? Well in Heaven that desire is greater than ever because we aren’t effected by sin or Satan. We get to worship a perfect God in a perfect place with a perfect new body.
@@runningdecadeix4780 idgaf about goodness, goodness ain’t a good book, it ain’t getting to walk in the mountains or fish in the sea. I desire the truest extent of content pleasure. Not just praying to an old man in the sky who fucked me over and forced me to get past it all.
@@regirock7313 Goodness is the common form behind the good things you mentioned, as well as behind virtue, wisdom, and everything good. An "old man in the sky" is irrelevant and indeed you shouldn't bother praying to an "old man in the sky", the whole point of my post was that one should not anthropomorphize the concept of God. God is supposed to be perfect goodness; anything else would not be worthy of worship. Goodness in its fullest extent does seem to me to include personal powers, since wisdom, love etc. are great paradigms of goodness, but while God/the Good is therefore personal, he is not comparable to a finite, limited person like you or me, or anything remotely close to an "old man in the sky".
Now, this is all metaphysics and classical philosophical thought and theology. If you just don't care, I think that's too bad, but I hope you'll nevertheless find a way to live your life in a healthy and happy way, with or without believing in God. I'm sorry for all your hardships and trouble, this life can indeed seem unbearable at times, and I just wish you all the best and hope that whatever you're going through gets better. Remember that other people care.
@@runningdecadeix4780 my coping is writing. To create is to make a solution to hardships even if it’s fake. Your words are wise but I care not for merely feeling goodness, for I wish to continue creating for the all of eternity.
Catholics are too quick to call something absolute when HIS idea of Heaven is mere speculation. This not a forsure people this is speculation as of this moment
I wonder why it’s assumed in Christianity that the souls is a uniform singular entity rather than a multilayered thing with many component parts
We believe the soul is somewhat multifaceted in that it consists of the intellect and the will. It also has the ability to house grace.
Can someone just say the answer in just 1 or 2 sentences please...i mean his answer to this question not the long talk
The Kingdom of Heaven is NOT eternally sitting on a cloud playing a harp, nor is it eternal church.
There are homes in Heaven, and trees, horses, food, rivers, streets, and gates so there will most likely be exploring of God's vast creation.
AND there is NO crying, NO sorrow, NO pain, and NO DEATH in Heaven.
The Bible says, "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, neither has it entered the mind of man what God has prepared for those who love Him." This means we can't begin to imagine how great Heaven will be.
Hell, at the very least, will be eternity without all that Heaven is.
AND eventually God will bring the New Jerusalem (Heaven) down to a renovated earth and we will live for eternity in perfect Health, perfect Peace, perfect Happiness, on the earth the way it should have been BEFORE Adam and Eve sinned.
bro. Idk if this is right or not. But my parents always say that the Bible says that, In Heaven, you can have anything your heart desires.
so i know how to not get bored.
I live with anime girls for eternity.
and if i get bored of that, I send myself to an alternate Isekai reality whilst still having my heaven powers thingy, and i go on a epic advintue, and live out a normal human life there for like 100 or so years.
then i go back to my anime girls. and i can just set myself in an alternate reality where im the protagonist of my favorite anime like Naruto. I live their lives for 100 or so years and then i go back to heaven to see my anime girls.
and whenever I get bored I just live in an alternate, epic reality for 100 or so years and then hang out with my anime girls.
and i kee repeating that process for all eternity. PERFECTION
@Jaap Heemskerk nah I just wanna live with anime girls
@@deadlyjeff9106 I am with you on the first part, but the second part is full of degeneracy. I am just glad you are a believer tho. I don't think our new bodies will still have tendencies toward degeneracies like being with anime girls, so best you get it off your head hahaha
@@jesussavedme4221 see right there, that means in heaven you can only have what god wants. You’re controlled and stripped of will
Who else is here from “the good place”
Yeah. Will the bright light be the eternity in a white space? God, please, exist.
Off topic, but did you get a bump on your head?? 🤕
Epic
What about married people in heaven?
That short answer does barely enough except piss off the person asking it.
While there is no marriage in Heaven, because it is an earthly sacrament and thus channel of grace, marriage won’t be NECESSARY. BUT, that does not mean you will not have a unique love or relationship with your spouse. To think that the one person who was INTEGRAL to my salvation, and I to hers, becomes just another Schmoe in Heaven is laughable.
To put another way, thinking of your kids, parents, or your best friends, you can have deep, abiding love and strong relationships outside of marriage.
Also, if we are perfected in Heaven, think of how much greater your mutual love between you two will be in Heaven, even though you’re not married the way we understand it.
@@MarkJohnson-dr4ws True stuff. I wrestled with this very question in my discerning years.
@@MarkJohnson-dr4ws I'm 15, but I get what he's saying. Since you won't need Babies (since everyone has been made by God already), you won't need sex. If you don't need sex, you don't need marriage. In heaven you will feel the same love for everyone as you do your spouse, of course you know them, so that's the first person you go to, but we are all the same age when get to heaven. Your son will be like your brother in heaven, and God is your only father. You only have authority and roles for your family on Earth due to Reproduction.
We will all be brothers and sisters under God, so there will be love among all of us, though I'm sure we will be in closest proximity with our loved ones we knew on Earth.
The question is that will hell be boring l mean you would rather u know
So some people experience a better more perfect heaven?
Yeah it really sounds like that’s what he’s saying. That really doesn’t sound right to me, that you always could have had a “better heaven” no matter what you’ve done in this life
This sounds horrible.... why can't we have a heaven of our own desires our own making and if God is so great and is so awesome then why can't not getting to meet him or missing out on what he has planned be punishment enough? Why did he even create us. Most of us didn't even get to have the lives we wanted, much less lives worth going to hell over and heaven sounds like....well hell... Why did God create us? None of us asked to be here. I'm sorry but I think we should get more than just God and Heaven when we die
God created you because he loved you and wants the best for you. He could give you everything you want, but the truth is that not everything you want is necessarily the best thing for you. Since God created you and knows you better than yourself, he knows exactly what it will take to satisfy you and make you whole. With that in mind, why would the thought of being with God in heaven be horrible?
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Please first prove heaven exists, thanks.
Do not try to understand what Jesus was saying by thinking of what you have been told by priests and pastors. They can only repeat from the Scriptures and have no personal knowledge of the Kingdom of God or Heaven.
God is not contained within any one place but is everywhere, as are the heavens and air above you. The Holy Word spoke truly when it says: in God you live, move and have your being.
For the Kingdom of God is above, around and also within you; and you can enter the Kingdom of God.
But what is it?
It is a state of mind and heart; which is fully possessed by God, our Father. When you are in this state, the Father is the head of your body and directs everything you do and all of your life.
How can that be?
It is possible to be so emptied of selfish desires, enmities, angers, jealousies, greed, and vindictiveness that only God is left in control within your mind and heart.
What happens then?
Then you enter into the State of Being which is God-directed. It is altogether beautiful and glorious. It is Love, it is generosity, it is caring for other people as you care for yourself, it is non-judgmental since you accept other people exactly as they are, knowing that they too are God’s children and are equally in the Father’s care. It is happiness beyond measure, beyond description, it is joy in the beauty of the world, it is life unlimited and increased energy, it is health and it is the fulfilment of your every need before you even know that you have such a need.
You suffer because you do not understand how you have been created, and the true purposes for which you were born.
You were born to be sons and heirs of the Father, you were born to enjoy all that the Father is in Himself and all that He can give you. But you have turn your backs on all the glory of the Kingdom and try to find pleasures in earthly things. While you do this, you will never find the Kingdom of God; nor enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
How shall we enter the Kingdom?
Jesus has already told you. You enter the Kingdom of Heaven when you repent of all that you are in your heart and mind. When you take your evil to the Father and ask forgiveness and pray for the strength to be cleansed of your evil thoughts, words and deeds, and you finally get rid of them, then you may be sure that you are about to find the Kingdom of Heaven. When you have accomplished this, you will find that your attitudes towards others are changing, for the Father will be doing His Love Work within you. You will be free of the chains and thongs of evil desires and deeds which previously bound you and made you a captive in the world. More than this, you will find that the Father does satisfy your every need.
The most absurd thing I have ever heard in my entire LIFE!
There sure is a lot of theorizing here...
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Heaven, boring? Do people really ask these questions?
Ninja Master I’ve asked it.
It's an extremely valid question, because as he says at the start of the video, kind of, is that without pain, the pleasure or release or whatever afterward doesn't feel as good. A glass of water after a hard day's work in in the sun tastes sweeter than it would have without the challenges of the day. You appreciate your health more after being ill. You appreciate sustenance more after going hungry. I'll have to finish the video but I've wondered it myself many times, I might not have used the word boring but still it's a valid question. All questions are good questions to ask
He still did not answer the question