Does Eternity in Heaven Sound Boring? Watch this... w/ Dr. Peter Kreeft
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Peter Kreeft and Matt Fradd discuss what heaven is like. They touch on suffering, gargoyles, and reality.
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The moment right after I swallow the Holy Communion is when, for a brief moment, I feel that endless joy that I hope is what heaven is like. Nothing in this World can even come close to that moment.
😅Different strokes different folks
“I don’t look forward to heaven like I do for coffee in the morning”
“But you do! Coffee will Coffee-er”
C.S. Lewis AGAIN!
In the final book of Narnia when they in effect go to Heaven, The True Narnia is there, it’s more Narnia than Narnia, and England is more England than here.
All that is Good is there, only more so. Nothing Good is lost.
Oscar Wilde’s “The Happy Prince” also is about this fulfillment.
Our Lord promises this entering, this fulfillment.
Heaven is something so far outside our frame of reference that it defies analogy; human language even fails the saints who have been granted a glimpse. But I'll trust whatever God has planned for us. He would not have gone through the trouble of redeeming us from sin and death if He didn't want something better for us than we can ever conceive of in this life.
"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."
5:13 - 5:40
I know my desires are stupid, shallow, and fallen, so I don't long for the fullfilment of ALL my desires, I long for the purification of my desires.
- Dr. Peter Kreeft
Such a powerful statement, he really shows a strong sense of self-awareness.
Our human desires, fantasies, will never satisfy our souls but the desire and effort needed to do God's will most certainly will ❤
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Pope Leo XIII saw the Church on the edge of a crisis and presciently warned that because men do not think enough about the next life that they were difting. That focal point of man's spiritual focus was slipping and becoming off kilter.
Conceiving heaven as boring and sinking our claws into the world - desperate not to leave before (what we think is) our time - is one of the most harmful attitudes. It pulls us into worldliness and allows us to implicitly believe Our God is not all wise or all powerful.
We believe that whatever is in the world beyond can't be as good as a relationship with that woman or man that we desire, a holiday in that location we love and covet. It's silly.
Our God is a God of the rivers and the fish, the deer and the forests, the mountains and the eagles, of explosions of colour and the cosmos, of sunlight draping stone walls in gold and the quiet serenity of the gentle breeze, of Allegri and choral splendour, of philosophy and a profound intellectual debate among friends, and the invigorating and exciting, of adventure, of banquets and dinner parties, of appreciatively being moved to the core by the loving actions, words, or intentions of another towards you, of gratitude - and yes, as Dr Kreeft says - even of coffee.
And (I cannot stress this enough) much more which is good that we do not yet know.
Heaven will not be boring. It may sometimes be hard to conceive. This is natural. You've never been there. You've never been anywhere close to it - where the veil between us and the infinite and majestic God is completely lifted and both our smallness and God's immense love is made manifest. But for example, even doing something like going for a swim would be done in a great act of exulting prayer in heaven, beholding the beatific vision, as part of the celestial court and choir, amongst your beloved friends, old and new, brothers, sisters, and family - with an infinitude to explore, other dimensions to learn of and potentially enter, and new ways to love.
I love this comment! I listen more so to Bach than Allegri, but I cant imagine how wonderful it would be to hear the music of the very angels themselves!
This is blasphemy 101 you got no faith
RE: .......beloved friends, old and new, brothers, sisters and family.....' But if some of the people you loved in your life go to Hell, you wont be botherd because you will be in Heaven? Sounds like a place for grinning automatons.
@@kevinkelly2162 In heaven, we will understand judgement. We will understand that these people we love go to hell only go to hell because they chose to.
You seem to fundamentally misunderstand heaven (though, I’m pretty sure that’s true for everyone who has not died.)
@@EasternRomanOrthodox. Me? That's a serious charge. In your charity, do you care to explain why it is blasphemy in order to offer correction?
Every Saturday I read Revelation 21 and 22, the last books of the Bible. They give gorgeous descriptions of heaven. I love it and it helps me long for heaven.
Spending eternity at peace exploring paradise with the angles, saints, family, friends, and the holy family. Sounds a lot better than burning and having demons violate me, rip me to pieces for all well never feeling gods love for all eternity.
As a Catholic, I always tell myself that it doesn't matter if Heaven makes me happy. It's what God wants. Besides, we'll have eternity to have hope we'll be happy.
That said, I kind of do long for Heaven like the way one "longs for Austria." I've never had friends, don't really get along with my family, and even work isn't easy for me, especially due to health reasons. Heaven is my only chance to have someone to talk to.
We are commanded to rejoice in the Lord. When you receive him in heaven, that shall be your happiness
Matt is slowly slipping into a Solomon moment, literally becoming too smart for his own good. Heaven is real and not just a concept in your head, and you should be filled with joy thinking of seeing the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus is my sweetheart, and I await the day I see Him every day.
This comment is a bit vain, don’t you think? A bit too close to Saul if you ask me.
I think claiming someone is approaching or at a vice, then exclaiming how you aren’t, is a very strange thing to do. Please consider that Matt is expressing his evaluations of yearn for heaven. I think you misunderstand the entirety of his point, too. Which is fine, just please don’t be vain about it.
@zandermurphy8657 I don't think it's vein at all, Jesus is my sweetheart and I long to see Him way more than some morning coffee.
It just seems that Matt is too attached to this world and to his worldly life… just like the VAST majority of Catholics. We have to work at detachment from the things of this world, including ourselves. It doesn’t come naturally. Every Catholic should read and study the works of St John of the Cross. 🙏🏻
@@bethmcmullan7686 I’m making an observation, not a judgment (note that I used the word “seems” and not “is”). Heaven is a place of union with God. Desiring sensual pleasures (such as coffee) more than union with our God, is a clear indication of attachment to worldly goods. To the created things of this world. It is charitable to point such observations out, not as a critique, but as a genuine manifestation of caring about our fellow Catholics. We should all know that we were created for sainthood. Detachment from the things of this world and mortifications of our inordinate passions are necessary for growth in the spiritual life. We should support each other in this.
If you are finding heaven or union with God hard to grasp, I would suggest that it indicates a wont of prayer. Specifically mental prayer. 🙏🏻 May God bless you and draw you ever closer to Himself. ✝️
I think so too.
"coffe will be coffier". Two days ago The Lord, gifted me with a small foretaste of what Heaven is like. I was heading back home while praying the Rosary. At some point I gazed on a three; it's leaves were being gently shuffled by a kind breeze and pierced by the sunlight. Suddenly I've experienced all the good things of my life and I've felt stabbed by a profound, delightful and all encompassing sense of deep, sweet, nostalgic joy, which stayed with me for few minutes. It was truly amazing, I wouldn't be able to compare it with anything I'd ever felt
I have felt that as well, and the catalyst for it is usually something in nature, like what you mentioned. It is indescribable, but certainly nostalgic.
Matt, stay honest! Love your vulnerability and honest commentary!
I look forward to being with Jesus and His Holy Family the most, but I also look forward to seeing all the people God used on my journey Home, to keep me going on the Narrow Road Home 🙏
I so much long for all of them to get to meet each other, because they all were much needed in my journey Home, and God put them in my life for this purpose. I'm forever grateful for these special Souls ☝️🙏 Viva Cristo Rey
It's going to be the Party you don't want to miss 👍😁🙏
Wisdom 13:1-9 ☝️😁
I'd like to meet Dr Kreeft in heaven one day & see his joy. There might be ferrets too 😅
I'm LDS. I very much look forward to Heaven! I will love serving God and helping Him build His kingdom however He directs. It'll be a place of joyful relationships, endless learning, and fulfilling, satisfying work. 💛
Do you get your own planet?
YES!! Yes it will be !! I 100% agree
I didn't think about Heaven much at all until one day, when I felt God's love in a dream I had.
In that dream, I was in some version of paradise. I was a little kid collecting shells in a shallow, warm, sandy stream. I felt God's love. It was OVERWHELMING, like a crushing hug from the inside, getting stronger and stronger until I literally couldn't think or breathe, just enjoy it. I know my family loves me, but this was immense, colossal love, all concentrated inside me. Something - for a lack of a better word - indescribable.
Now I long for the day I'll feel it again. It's my motivation to be the best person I can be.
Heaven is the eternal consummation of the marriage between Christ and the Church. This is what we’re created for. This is the ULTIMATE longing of the human heart.
PLEASE help! Considering moving to Steubenville!! if you respond to this, it will be greatly appreciated. I feel that now is the time for many people to truly consider moving from their current location. And I really believe that you and your wife were called to do the right thing during these times.
been there done that - but remember, Our Lord and The Father will make Their Dwelling WITH YOU - wherever you are - whence you are united to them (John 14:23) - thence time and distance no longer 'matter' imo!
We were made for heaven. We are also a disordered mess, hence God and His Grace must order and redirect us to this final end.
I am LDS. I look forward to Heaven as a place of joy, love, learning, and finally complete understanding! I expect to work there, too, assisting God to continually build His kingdom however he directs, and that will bring incredible joy and satisfaction, too.
A blaze and a praise of glory, wherever I am that is where I want to be, in Heaven, on earth, wherever.
You should long for heaven because God's there. You get to finally meet and hang out with him and everyone there.
I long to have a glorified body so i can live without being subject to temptation and sin and failure. That's why i long for heaven.
“But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, then to wait until his enemies should be made a stool for his feet. For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.” (Heb 10:12-14.)We are only sanctified when the work is finished. Being sanctified and being consecrated means being willing to accept that God's work in us will only be completed if we keep on following, and accepting the crosses that come to do the work of purifying us for heaven.
I have pondered this wouldn’t it get boring like being with a friend for 2-3 days your like uh I’d like to be alone for awhile, however Christ is heaven no one will ever comprehend it awesome
😂 The yawn at the end cracked me up.
I yawned with him 😂😂😂 contagious 😂
I thought it was interesting that Matt left that in!!
Its not just about heaven.
I long to be with Jesus, the one I love and desire to worship and make happy if that's a possiblity and give all I am to forever.
Being in Heaven is being with Jesus....
Oof
@@sassychimpanzee7431 I understand that but the emphasis is on Jesus not just going to heaven.
So the same apologia for "Will Heaven be boring?"- 1. "We'll be changed so we'll enjoy the 'purified' desires we have being met for all eternity" and 2. "Just shut up and trust God"?
I love John Eldenredge’s idea of heaven. You should have him on.
God showed once in my suffering…what my destiny is in Him, I yearn, pine, long for Heaven. Every day ….i think of that transformation.
Amen- had that glimpse too! :)
I'm fascinated that his concept of heaven has coffee but not sex
If you want sex in heaven you'll need to convert to Is lam.
The Fountain of Youth industry is alive and well..amen
Matt, you need to watch the movie, "After Death", a movie about near death experiences.
It's funny how much this really resonates with me as a Catholic. I understand when Matt says he doesn't look forward to Heaven because it's almost like you need the challenges we face here on earth, something to constantly overcome. It's like this: we play a hard videogame and its the challenge of having to get better that makes it so satisfying. Imagine the same video game where you start the game and your character is at full levels in everything, has unlimited money, starts with the best weapons and armor in the game and can't even be dealt damage. The game might be fun for a moment or two but it would quickly become the most boring game ever played and there would be no point to even playing it because there's no longer any challenge to face. I think maybe we view heaven in this way, as the game with all the cheat codes where you spawn in and there's no damage, no obstacles to overcome, no learning curve. For me, this is the dilemma I face when pondering Heaven. Kreeft himself mentions out of the pain we experience greater joy. It's almost as if you can't have one without the other so the absence of the pains and learning curves in Heaven make it seem like it will be a boring eternal existence. Not that that's what I believe because God is so much more than I could ever hope to comprehend but hopefully what I said makes sense.
Theo-illogically stating ... if Lucifer sinned while he was in heaven ... and was then booted down to hell ... what makes you think that if you offend the same god while you are in heaven ... that he won't decide to boot your soul down to the same hell where Lucifer now resides?
Thankfully … now that hundreds of members of clergy of various religious “persuasions” are leaving religion behind ... there is hope for everyone.
From the book ... Apostle to Apostate: The Story of the Clergy Project … authors … Catherine Dunphy, Richard Dawkins
When you are reared to think of your faith and its leaders as infallible, dissent can be an unsettling thing. This is particularly true for clergy, who have devoted their lives to the subject of faith. I therefore especially hope that this story reaches those clergy who have yet to articulate their doubts.
As they struggle through this process, I am thankful that they can look to the Clergy Project as an example of community and humanism as an example of good. As former clergy who have left churches of every denomination, synagogues, mosques, convents, monasteries, and theological institutions, we stand as examples of the reasonableness of doubt and its thoughtful conclusions. I cannot help but think that we offer a compelling voice for why science and secularism do a better job than religion and superstition of answering the so-called ultimate questions.
I love Dr Kreeft ❤
When it comes to Catholic social teaching and social justice, Peter Kreeft lacks a lot of depth, in fact he's not that insightful in that area. However when it comes to theology and spirituality he's brilliant and incredibly insightful. Everything he says makes me want to meditate. We should all be contemplatives in our every second of our lives, thinking about the works of God.
Saying you long for coffee more than heaven is insane to me, but I appreciate the honesty at least.
Eye has not seen, ear has not heard what God has prepared for those who love Him.
If you want a glimpse of Heaven read about the seers of Marian appearances. Remember these are only glimpses.
Once, I had an epiphany about Heaven, and I don't believe I came up with my own mental faculties. The epiphany was that everything in Heaven is meaningful.
I was thinking about Lord of the Rings at the time, and comparing Middle Earth to our own horrible secular grimdark world. In Middle Earth, you get the impression that everything has significance, every person, every place, and every action plays a role. When you go to places in America, it's insignificant, even if it was a battlefield, because we don't care. Nobody owns them. These places have no culture apart from the commercial, and while there is history, nobody really cares to know them because America is not a nation with a history worth knowing (I'm being a bit facetious, but consider how the world has no meaning for our younger people - they do not care about the history of a shopping mall). You go to Europe, and every place has history that goes into the times before Christ. But even there the Americanism is wearing away at the meaning of these things and the connection we have to the past.
In Heaven, everything matters. In Hell, nothing does.
No one has the slightest idea what heaven would be like at least not really . Its funny we know little about hell and less about heaven, but we do know about purgatory...its like the dmv
not so - one can come into Divine Intimacy to a degree in the here and now- and you will know, at least a taste....!
john 14:23
Bernard Shaw said the only interesting person in Heaven is Mozart.
Bernard Shaw was also a eugenicist.
I think the problem is that we’re all taught how hard it will be to get to Heaven, while it’s easy to go to hell. We understand suffering because we live that every day while joy is fleeting. Heaven is incomprehensible to many or most of us
I find it easier to imagine Hell than Heaven. Especially the longer I live in this crazy, cruel world. That doesn't mean I doubt God's promises. I just can't imagine anything that big and good.
Hopefully heaven is finished John 14:3 He goes to prepare a place for us...Once we are judged we can rest.
We have to lose the hate, envy, greed, malice, covetousness now to be burden free at judgment.
Evangelise, Evangelise, Evangelise.
Imagine you had one room for each person you witnessed too. Some will have a one room🤣🤣🤣 and some will have mansions.
Imagine having a philosophy class with Kreeft and a psychology class with Peterson
Change word God back to Love. It’s a faster ticket Home that is closer than you can possibly imagine. But it’s not an image. Remember it’s not of this world. None. Nothing resembles it. You gotta die to all that you now know and bingo. But don’t wait to till you dry up. It’s here. Kingdom is at hand. Very close.
amen John 14:23 !!
Advice: if you want to make a segment about the goodness of heaven and how we should look forward to it, don’t begin by talking about how there’s no sex in heaven.
4:25 “god is the greatest lover… the greatest everything.”
So, that would mean the greatest torturer, the greatest bully, the greatest psychopath, the greatest liar, etc -
Think more Aristotelian. The greatest torturer is the worst lover, the greater bully is the worst friend, the greatest psychopath is the worst empath, the greatest liar is the worst truth-teller. Define things by the realisation or privation of virtues, and it isn't illogical for God to only be the best of the good things, as that is simply being the best at everything. God IS the lover, friend, empath and truth.
“Heaven is a celestial North Korea” - Hitchens
Ha. I remember that. I miss Hitch.
Heaven is not the Eternal resting place. We were made for the Earth. Heaven are being made one through Christ. Nowhere does scripture ever present spending eternity whatsoever in Heaven.
Interesting. Would be worth exploring this one by Matt and theologian/philosopher. For instance, would be interested to hear what Scott Hahn has to say about this.
Coffee in heaven? Do they do decaf? And if you drink too much do you get palpitations?
I hope there’s whisky there, too.
And cigarettes.
There is not coffee in Heaven,.. kingdom is not of this world. At all!!! None. Zero!!! It’s not like time space at all.
Gnostic nonsense. We will have bodies again and the world will be material again. It's closer to Eden than a spiritual world.
Apologies to Lewis, but if I am not married to my husband in heaven and he is no closer to me than everyone else there, then that place would be hell. Not to mention the memories of all of the people I loved who aren't there because they believed in the "wrong" or no religion. How could anyone have a moment of bliss thinking about his/her child, spouse, sibling, parent, etc who must now endure eternal torture for thought crimes? This makes no sense and is sadistic. Sorry.
Great answer .See Heavens on Earth by Michael Shermer..Afterlife is absurd
Kreeft answers this question in his Catholic Apologetics book: HOW God will produce joy in us in spite of them not being there is a mystery but THAT He will do it is unreasonable to doubt. And if we want them to be with us so badly, that’s a good indication that they’ll be there, because something about them reflects the beauty of God Himself. But even if they’re not, you’ll be so in love with the millions of other souls there. No boredom, no sadness, not even anger at them if they choose Hell.
@@rogersacco4624Thanks for the compliment and the recommendation. I certainly will.
@@bevans411Do you SERIOUSLY think that anyone could be truly happy knowing that the people he loved the most are either being tortured, separated, or annihilated for all eternity? Guess that I'm not going to heaven because absolutely no love could equal what I feel for my husband and kids, and I would be in dire misery w/o them.
As for Kreeft, this is what gets to me about religion: the man speaks with authority/certainty about a subject that by its very nature no human could know. He wrote a book guessing at what heaven is like and because he belongs to a large, well established faith, people bought it. But it's absolutely no different than when I told my sons stories about the land of unicorns and trees of chocolate bars. Both were complete figments of our imagination. I just am honest enough to admit it.
one can come into Divine Intimacy to a degree in the here and now- and you will know, at least a taste....! john 14:23 In my glimpse there was no sadness of even a hint of separation rather a joyful expectation of imminent gathering of those not currently present! :)
I don't think eternal life is all it's cracked up to be. Living forever sounds spooky, especially as no one has a clue as to what it's all about. Eternal rest sounds more appealing.
in 'Eternity' you will not 'experience' the 'passing of time' - it is the eternal NOW !! :)
Matt why do you push the hallow app?
It's a fantastic app!
Because it's awesome
It’s great!
The app has many narrorators, and he is one of the mor3 recent ones for the Easter season challenge.
I can't wait for you tp debate atheists and show empiric evidence of God.
Heaven is not my home but this world redeemed is!
Amen, the new heaven and new earth together
What a silly thing to say
No blast off to Plato's heaven
I had a moment with God and told him I did not want to have a mansion I would rather have a beach house and a tiki bar listening to Jinny Buffet smoke heavenly cigars and drink, heavenly whiskey
I know that feeling - knowing what would be perfect for me. And I think God laughs, lovingly, at my “dream place” to live for eternity, like a parent chuckles at the “wants” of their young child. God knows what He has in store for me is so far above what I think would be satisfying, I can’t begin to imagine.
THAT IS AWESOME !!
How the hell can anyone know what heaven is like?
I see what you did there.
Eye has not seen...
one can come into Divine Intimacy to a degree in the here and now- and you will know, at least a taste....!
john 14:23
@@garyr.8116 An old book says a thing. How does that point to heaven?
@@colinmatts By what we know and have experienced we can get a glimpse of heaven. Have you experienced beauty? The depths of love so intense it feels like a place? The efforts of a unified group working together and that feeling of union on a larger level? Have you had a sandwich that is so good that the second you bite into it you start to weep because it is finite and you can see the end of it but you wish it could last forever? As a Christian, by the experience of abandonment, desiring the will of God--the union of one's will with the will of the Father's? Where you can say that you desire whatever is to pass because it is the will of the Father? Saints give us examples of desiring cancer, a concentration camp, a firing squad for example with the faith that God is using it to achieve a greater good and not to despair or to lose peace even for an instant because it removes you from the presence of the sweet guest of our soul. The 'old book' has the keys to the way as we see in the cross and Christ's wanting it. There's more to be said, but that's the best I can give you. I hope it's helpful and gives some perspective--I am not looking for an argument but simply giving a response with which you can choose how to proceed. God Bless!
Do we really want perfection in Heaven? I love coffee, but without a bad coffee, you will never taste and enjoy the good one. The coffee i want is the one someone is doing their best to give me. With regard to sex, it was the greatest poison to man's soul ever let loose on man. Look at history or the bible; it has crippled God's every attempt to salvage this mess.
Are you saying that Heaven isn’t perfect? Or merely expressing how tedium will lead to boredom?
In perfection, there is nothing to strive as it is all perfect. Man climbs a mountain, what dose he write about, the struggle up and down or the prefection at the peak, it would make a boring story. We are built on struggle and to loose that is a real fear, Should I want only perfect coffee or respect the person who did there best to make my coffee perfect or not. Sin is a separate issue and as comment the lost of our source of lust is not a loss!
I disagree. I love coffee, and the better the coffee, the more the enjoyment of it. I do not need a bad coffee to appreciate a good coffee. A perfect coffee is a dream, and the one thing I super want in heaven (of course beyond the Lord himself and his Holy Family and all the saints) is fantastic coffee all the time, and my dogs. Plus, of course, my friends, reading, cooking, and mountains to climb. They can be "challenging" and still be in heaven. A mountain to climb in heaven doesn't have to be easy just because it's in heaven. Hard and exerting can be a beautiful human experience that is not the least bit painful... So I expect to be challenged in heaven, hopefully in a million different ways... Since, of course, we're talking eternity...
How do you know how good anything is unless it is ranked? It cannot be good and has no meaning except it's just coffee; maybe life is a coffee. As for climbing a mountain, without pain, tears, or risk, it is just a walk. After approaching the edge of life, participants sit at a table with a cup of tea and no words. At that moment, you were alive, and it is so again knowing you can trust the other with your life. I have had this discussion with genuine people who offer the same perception of Heaven, a land of milk and honey without the virgins or maybe coffee. I have to accept what comes if I were to cross the line, but I hope it has the texture that pain and fear offers because with them conquered, you can have another moment of peace and joy.
Words, theories,...no evidence.
I deny Jesus
2 bad for you
You deny yourself
Read the Bible, NO ONE GOES TO HEAVEN !
cringe jew
You surely won't if you continue to reject your Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
You don’t mean “read the Bible” you really mean “agree with me! Read it in my way!”
Jesus is Lord
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