5 Common Discernment Traps and How to Avoid Them (feat. Fr. Gregory Pine, O.P.)
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- Опубликовано: 25 фев 2021
- Fr. Mark-Mary and Fr. Gregory Pine reveal five discernment traps we can fall into, and how to avoid them.
The five common vocational discernment traps we tend to fall into are catastrophism, angelism, sensationalism, objectivism, and vocationism (names courtesy of Fr. Gregory).
How do we avoid them? By recognizing these things:
1) The Lord loves your vocation more than you do, and is constantly working toward this goal. All we have to do is respond generously to him.
2) Humans were created to know our vocation step-by-step, not all at once. God is working slowly in our lives, and patience is essential in following his plan.
3) God works in ordinary ways, and just because they’re ordinary doesn’t mean they’re not marvelous.
4) The Lord loves you in a specific, particular way, and he’s going to encourage you towards a vocation that corresponds to your desires and who you are.
5) Your life doesn’t start when your vocation does. Your broader vocation is to glorify God and to strive towards heaven. It’s your specific vocation that shows how you’ll play your own unique part in God’s divine plan.
By breaking out of these limitations, we can draw our hearts and minds closer to Christ, which will only lead to greater discernment of his plan.
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Marvel: Endgame was the best cinematic crossover in history
Ascension Presents: hold my holy water
Amen!
“Hold my Holy Water” actually made me laugh out loud.
Fr Mark and Fr Gregory in the same video? Today must be my birthday
You got it!
God willing, I'll be joining the Dominican Order as a Novitiate this summer/fall! Super-excited!!
Based and Domnician-pilled. Will pray for you. Please pray for me and my vocation.
Only God will be your strength! I wish you God's blessings and peace!
God bless you brother (and hopefully Brother). Through our Blessed Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen.
Amen! He who calls you is faithful
God bless you
I like how Fr. Mark-Mary patiently sits and listens to someone when they are talking and doesn't interrupt them. lol
Agreed
Me too.... I've noticed that too! My thoughts exactly! LoL🤣🤣🤣
I gotta say, that's kinda like me RIGHT now-- listening attentively....following what he's talking abt. Oh he sure got my attention alright!!!
Fr. Mark-Mary said his contemporary was smarter than him, I don't know about all of that, but bringing the man on when he feels his own tongue may be ignorant on an important matter and listening - surely shows his wisdom.
Oprah should take notes lol
I’m discerning the Priesthood of the ICKSP and I’ve begun the application process. Please pray for me, that I may be Christ’s and His Alone.
I will pray for you. Please keep in touch and let me know if any intentions.
Where are you now? Are you in seminary?
@@thusundi1963
Was denied the priesthood due to anxiety, they let me in the Oblatehood but I left due to reasons I thought I wasn’t ready. sought other communities and had the door slammed in my face before I had the chance to even have a come and see. Some time passed and I re discerned the oblatehood but no one ever returned my letters from the vocations office. My local ICKSP community I was stationed at and I are still very much close, they’re my second family. I’ll always love them.
But I’ve since abandoned discernment all together forever, as it’s destroyed my mental health, left me in severe depression and I’m picking up the pieces.
I was 16 and was sitting in a conference. I was in my junior year and had plans to join the Air Force. My mom looked at me and wen “Have you considered becoming a nun?” I just stared at her. I had when I was really little wanted to be a sister for a little while, but for the most part that had not entered my mind. I was angry and flat out refused to entertain that thought. That night I looked into religious orders and fell in love. So now I am looking into contemplative orders and am super exited. Also so incredibly blessed to even be considered to be Christ’s bride.
God bless you sister!
What an epic crossover
Well said.
"They say to keep your friends close and your enemies closer. That is why I invited Fr. Gregory Pine." I laughed so hard!
I was like "WHAT!?" 😂
To see both of them together makes me think of the friendship St. Francis and St. Dominic had. Yes, even the humor.
Ahh man, love this comment and thinking of St.Francis and St.Dominic together :)
Oh my gosh yes!
Love this 💕💕🥰
1) 1:27 - "Catastrophism"
2) 2:25 - "Angelism"
3) 4:53 - "Sensationalism"
4) 7:29 - "Objectivism"
5) 9:55 - "Vocationism"
if you put colons : instead of periods . then people can click on it and go to that part
@@Big_Steve11 Sorted! Thanks, wasn't sure how timestamps worked!
I laughed at Fr. Mark-Mary's joke. That was pretty good.
I know, I was so amused😂
I was born boring, I grew up boring, I'm presently boring😂😂 these are the talks we need
Lol me too tho
Patience is so important, we do need to wait to know what we're called to do. Especially for students. Just gotta remind ourselves that God loves us and knows what's best.
Amen
that's because I assume you are learning/already know python, that's one way to learn patience
@@Fartbruhs yeah I'm currently learning it but I'm going to stop soon because I'm taking Java next semester.
My two favourite online priests, and my two favourite orders! I was considering joining the CFRs for a long time, but this past year I've been drawn towards the Dominicans, and, God willing, I will join the Irish Dominican province as a novice this September.
God bless you, through our Blessed Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen.
The Dominican priory in Dublin city is one of the few places that has been offering regular confession and adoration over the last year. I’m very grateful, they’re great priests
@@kylemyers971 It's so difficult to get to confession these days, it's great that they are still offering it regularly.
@@kylemyers971 Where are they?
Congrats! Matt Fradd recently talked to Fr. Angelus CFR on Pints with Aquinas, they discussed Dominicans and Franciscans and vocation stuff! Pertinent to your situation! God bless!
I love it when Fr Gregory OPines!
Well played
😂😂
Fathers, you two are the living proof to why the Church need monastics... And always have needed.
They're both friars not monastics/monks.
Fr. Pine, you are anything but boring!!! I could listen to you all day long. God bless! 🌤
Everyone gangsta until Father Gregory walks into the room
Wow, THIS is THE single best and the most constructive take on discernment that I've ever heard! THANK YOU!
Love from Croatia 🤗!
Ah, these videos make me feel like I am truly in communion with the Church! Ascension gives me the luxury to have a lot of spiritual directors! Our church truly rocks (pun intended)
fr gregory is awesome. also, he said “nay.” never have i ever actually heard someone use the word nay.
Fr Gregory is smarter than all of us... ;)
I studied in a Dominican school from first grade until I graduated high school. The joke at the beginning was really funny to me. Every year representatives from Catholic schools in our region would compete in Bible Quizzes, essay writing, and art competitions, and I was reminded of that friendly competitive spirit. 😁
You are on fire Fr. Pine. I would feel uncomfortable with being looked at so intensely 🙏
Lol
God loves variety just look at the amount of bugs 🐛 there are in the world it’s amazing he’s great Viva Christi Rey !! Amen 🙏
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It's always a good day when Fr. Gregory Pine is in my subscriptions feed ^_^
Cannot even put into words how helpful this video was. Thank you, Fathers!
Amen! He who calls you is faithful! Whatever the vocation God leads you to/ calls... Bloom where you are planted by grace!
We thank the Lord, the body of Christ is good.
I’m struggling to discover my vocation. Please pray for me to trust in the Lord and His plan for me.
How's it going?
I love this channel so much. Every time I need rejuvenation, I know I can always find it here. So much love for these beautiful people
The way that Father Mark Mary never breaks his gaze toward Father Gregory and just sits there nodding his head literally had me rolling. It’s one of the kinds of awkwardd that’s just so amusing. 😆
He said he'll be looking at him,.. and so he did... for the whole video haha these guys are legends!!!
Fantastic. Fr. Gregory really injects a lot of spirit that gives mea new outlook to my 82 Years. God Bless
5:40
"I was born boring, I grew up boring, I am presently boring ...Ordinary and marvelous" Highlighting the divinity and marvel or the ordinary. Well said.
Dudes got jokes 😂
Half a million humans subbed to Ascension now. So good 🙌🏼
Subscribe to this nice Irish man right here ☝️
@@fragwagon lol thanks fragwagon. Funny to see you here 😄🥳
Fr. Mark and Fr. Pine are some pretty groovy priests!
I need someone who looks at me like Fr. Mark-Mary looks at Fr. Gregory Pine.
This is so adorable! I hope to see both Fr. Mark-Mary and Fr. Gregory together in more videos ❤ I think I fall under Category 2. Pray for me as I patiently wait for our Lord's timing for my chosen vocation ❤🙏
(1) is so beautiful and compassionate. Moved me to tears. God bless you all
Father, i SO needed to hear this today.
Nobody, nobody explained this better than you did. Thank you❤️
Opening and closing jokes put the video so nicely together
Two of my favorite priests in one video!!!! 😁❤😁❤😁
This is probably the best crossover I've ever seen
What is Fr. Pine doing in the States? Anyways, what a pleasant surprise this video has been!!! I love seeing when people I follow collaborate!
My goodness... His cup overflows 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
love your energy Fr. Gregory! you explain things so well
Two of my favorites!! 🤩
That was so perfect Father thank you from the hesrt.msy God keep sending us young maen and women to serve and build our church.
Fr Gregory you are a Genuine DOMINICAN
FR MARK MARY YOU TOO ARE A GENUINE FRANCISCAN FRIAR. GOD KEEP HIS HAND ON OUR HEADS.
A long time ago I saved this and this morning was drawn to watch. I shall open and watch this again and probably again. Every word was verification of my journey. I heard you! So appreciated was the validation. I am grateful. BTW, I think sometimes plain people (of appearance) is to protect that loving soul from evil doers. Few trouble me, they can’t see the glory of God within. To the world I’m grateful I do not attract attention. God is Good. Thank you again, you lifted my heart.
This vídeo was really fantastic!!! It was a God’s answer to many questions of mine! Thank you a lot Fr. Mark-Mary and Fr. Gregory. God bless you two! 🌹
Excellent
I need advice. I’m 24. I’m currently in my last semester as a college student after six long years. Anyways, I’m confident that I’ve been called to become a priest. I talked to my mom about it, since she’s the only one that raised me. She raised me in the Catholic faith. I was baptized, did my First Communion, and Confirmation. She thinks it’s all in my head, and I get tired of hearing that. Honestly, I think I’m going to be stuck in the middle once I graduate from college and end up doing something that I hate. If I were to become a priest, I feel as if I’ll be happy in my life.
Start contacting the vocations directors of the seminaries and/or religious communities you are interested in. They'll help you from there. You're 24, a grown man!
If you truly believe God is calling you to be a priest than you should speak to the director of vocations in your dioceses. It’s good to speak to your mom but if she’s not listening, you need to explore this further with those that can help you truly discern God’s call. I promise prayers for you.
Don't live to please others, live your life. Be a priest even If it takes courage.
I’ve always have felt the “highest” calling for any individual is the vocation God calls you to whether that is religious orders, consecrated life or marriage.
God is probably not speaking to your mother about whether or not you should become a priest. He’s rather going to speak to you more or less directly, as God does not need your mother’s permission to call you to the priesthood. Talk to a vocational director, talk to God, and generally try to see if this life is for you.
Needed this!! 🤍🙏🏼🙌🏼
Simply. Exquisite. Thank you!
Thank you! Really enlightening.
Thank youuuu!!
Great talk. 🙏
You guys are so awesome!
Thank you so much
Beautiful talk!
Thank you 🙏🏻
Thank you very much for this video.
Praise the Lord! Thank you, thank you, thank you for this wonderful collaboration..
For reals...CFRs and Fr Pine together...peanut butter and chocolate moment🙌🏻🙏🏻👊🏻✨
Thank you holy souls!
The timing for this video was perfect.. Thank you so much
Thank you
May god bless you
This was really helpful. Thank you 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Father Pine you are never boring
Love you both. This video was great and I'm glad you guys are hanging out.
Love you real holy men! God love you!
Awesome
Oh my gosh, I am 2 min into listening and already can relate!!!
Whoa, two of my FAVORITE people ever!!!!! Cake and icing too!!!!
Fr Gregory is a good speaker.
This is fire!!!
You guys are awesome, love your videos! 🥰 I’ve been discerning my vocation for at least a year now and still don’t know where it’s going, please pray for me if you see this comment! 💕
This is such an insightful video! I definitely identified a few instances when I fell into some of the traps mentioned during my own discernment journey. The points here provide a clearer perspective on living life according to God's plan. Thank you for this :)
He is really smart , God bless you both.
You're right Fr. Mark, Fr Gregory is smart. I think smarter than most.... even wiser me... 🙃
These vocational discernment-videos are so helpful to putting my mind at easy and my trust in our Lord God.
This guy speaks very well
I’ve check marked all of these traps haha. Recently came out of a month retreat for the religious life after getting to the peak of I can’t/don’t want to be here anymore, and currently Im dealing with obsessive thoughts that involve many of these traps. Thank you for this wonderful video. It has helped to ground me in the facts. Seems like the spirits of helplessness, fear and anxiety are after me.
Well, we do pray for our enemies and we have to love them so you two love each other ❤️😅
great video!
I think I had fallen into the 2nd trap - Angelism to some extent sometime ago and experienced the process you outlined almost in the same way. Thank you Fr. Mark & Fr. Gregory for opening my eyes.
Wery well said
Graci 🙏🏻
I need this
That was a gud pointers Fr. Gregory Pine sed....talking abt vocation....over 22 yrs, I wud say that not only did I fully embraced this vocation of mine I've also fully come to accept God's will as well; as they say that "All spiritual life n all perfection consist in loving God. However, perfect love means accepting God's will. An act of perfect resignation to God's will is enough to make u a Saint. In one word, to do God's will must be the purpose of all our desires, our devotions, our meditations, our Holy Communions etc. The purpose of all our prayers must be to obtain from God the Grace to do His will."
It's kind of hard to watch this crossover. But I love it!
"I was born boring". 😂 you funny father.
When we remain conformed to God's will n resigned to whatever He wants or does-- like a man standing above the clouds, watching the tempest raging below-- that peace which St. Paul's describes as "surpassing all understanding n which exceeds all worldly pleasures," depends upon us. Then God's own peace which is beyond all understanding, will stand guard over your hearts n minds in Christ Jesus.
I currently often feel like my life is a complete failure. I sometimes feel like my life has no meaning or purpose. I expect the Lord to reveal my vocation or life's purpose in a clear dramatic way. I still think the only way for me to become holy is by becoming a nun or religious sister.
Sounds like this is the video for you! My heart goes out to you, I know the feeling.
What an epic crossover! Lol 🙌😂
Please pray for me!
I believe God's plan is also meant to be not just for you, but through you for many as well, like Bishop Barron's recent remarks about graces of God not to be contained within us for ourselves but to be shared and propagated to many, as reflected in the feeding of the thousands of people from a few pieces of bread and fish by Jesus.
My point is, God's plan is both unique to each person but at the same time universal in its purpose, to bring good and holiness not just to select people but for many; and so, sometimes, God's plan for you can be disrupted if another person does not want to cooperate with God, like Jonah who initially refused to preach repentance to the city of Nineveh, not until Jonah was changed and did his job, that Nineveh was saved.
So, I believe we have to be patient and trust God fully, when some people reject us or turn us away, it is not like that is not God's will or God has abandoned us, it can be because God actually has a plan for you with that person or those people, but they do not want to cooperate with God in their actions and so as a result you are rejected or forced to find a new way, or to wait. And so, as I am still learning and growing in faith as well, trust God that He will find a new way for you and that His will be done in the end if you hold on to His path and will.
Wow
This video called me out so hard