women are giving up on men [south korea’s 4B movement]
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In this episode, Elle discusses South Korea’s 4B Movement and the implications of women choosing to distance themselves from men. Starting off with an introduction to the Korean 4B movement, she explains how women in South Korea are relating to this through the narrative of the book "Kim Jiyoung, Born 1982". The discussion includes the growing trend of "decentering men" and how women are setting higher standards in relationships. Elle emphasizes that women are inciting change by leaving, decentering, and avoiding men, and how this is altering societal norms. The episode also touches upon how women are owning their power and how their absence from private life has become a catalyst for change. The episode concludes with Elle encouraging her listeners to wake up to this shift in dynamics and to not be too accommodating or agreeable at the expense of their own wellbeing.
I saw a documentary showing how south Korean men are traveling to Vietnam to find "traditional" wives. Because the country is impoverished they can choose anyone there and the wife will be grateful and see him as a savior. South Korea has passport bros just like the U.S.. Every man would rather travel to far lengths to find impoverished and disenfranchised women rather than elevating themselves.
Passport bros exist everywhere even in developing countries. When the whole Venezuelan crisis started years ago. A lot of the Venezuelans were heading to neighboring countries. A lot of misogynist South American man were degrading their women counterparts for being a “feminist”, “Independent”, and “Ugly”. And saying how they were going to get feminine “traditional” Venezuelan women. So a lot of these men married desperate Venezuelan women. But the kicker was the women were marrying them for financial and legal reasons. Very few was for love. And once these women got what they needed. These men pretty much lost their money from divorce. As a lot of places in South America don’t have decent social programs. And these women were bringing in their families. And if they had kids, the father was on child support. The average monthly salary in venezuela is like $150 compared to its neighbors where it can be triple or even quadruple. Passport bros are everywhere.
They’re just giving us more women to grow our numbers 😂
Funny how Passport bros can only find "real love" from "traditional women" in countries where the dollar is strong.
They dont go to Appalachia, Deseret, or any other "trad" domestic strongholds...no, only places where they can wave a green card in front of a prospective bride's face.
They don't even need to elevate themselves. They just have to _not_ be jerks. That is how low the bar is.
Passport Bros are a global phenomenon lol 😂😂😂
once in uni, i overheard a group of koreans talking about the rise of feminism in their country. one of the guys argued that feminism is a western ideology that is destroying their culture and tradition. another one said, he would never marry a girl who will not perform traditional wifely duties because his mother would surely disapprove and he wouldn't want to be in the middle of a tense relationship between future wife and his mum. one of the girls argued back that not all parts of a culture and traditions deserve to be preserved-like child marriage and FGM. she says any tradition that calls for abuse or unfair treatment of another human deserves to be abandoned (i was smiling proudly listening to her atp) and being guilted or shamed into forced childbearing and domestic servitude is a form of abuse. she finishes with, "good luck with finding a woman who will be attracted to a guy who needs his mommy to make decisions for him" (my ears were clapping)
Im so proud of her man thank you so much for sharing this story!
You should have said something like I agree so that the guys would have understood
they will never recover from that roast
totally happened
@@goldenretriever1528 assuming the story is true guy probably went home and had dinner and brushed his teeth before bed
My father acts like he doesn't need me. My step brothers and male cousins act like they don't need me. My exes have made it clear they don't need me. Even the men who are currently pursuing me act like they don't need me. So great, if I am not needed then stop calling me selfish for prioritizing myself over others if I'm so uneeded.
Boom 🤯
Yes!❤. Don't need us, don't come looking for us.
When the same father or brothers come to you for help during emergency then show them you don't need any of them.
True
But later on these men will say "women take care of ppl better" and will want nurses 😂
This is global. Here in America and abroad Black women have the Divestment movement where we have decided to separate ourselves from the "community" and the "men" who don't value us and have refused to protect and provide for us and our children.
black women are actually earning way more degrees than their male counterparts, and have better overall quality of life. I think you're doing something right that us white girls need to start....
@@reedy_9619They got us with that line as well! But I pay taxes, i’m Calling the police and whatever the consequences are, he brought them on himself!! I don’t have any remorse for anybody’s son 🤷🏽♀️
I’m Not black but I do see how bm talk and treat bw. I do blame y’all
@@rose-yeah You blame bw for what, exactly?
@StephanieD-xq9qq I thought that initially but wasn’t sure. 💜
I stand with Korean women and the 4B Movement. So many women worldwide are choosing to be single and child free, Japanese women in Japan are choosing to be single and child free, same thing happening with British women in the UK, Canadian women in Canada and Chinese women in China. I really like that women are choosing this path!
What’s 4B?
@@Kerastalise 2:06 she explains it here
@@itsgusco thank you
@@Kerastalise 4B movement is a feminist movement in South Korea and Korean women are fed up with their men so Korean women are saying no more dating, child rearing, and marriage with men.
I applaud South Korean women.
I'm glad you are adressing this ! Birth rates are dropping in every country worldwide. Patriarchy is not going away so it's better to leave the entire thing and only interfere with it for business. We're in 2024 and women are still not viewed as humans, it's gross.
i can't even carry how am i human
@@daraandre5418yeah it is stop lying I'm from one
Not by all people but then those quality men get married up
@@daraandre5418Because patriarchy is even more agressive in islamic countries. Women are not really free to choose.
@@daraandre5418 You really think that once they are free too that they’ll stay with mn like them? The only way mn succeed as a whole is by putting wmn under them. Once a wmn the same rights as a mn she always succeeds in every aspect especially education. Most mn fear wmn’s success bc they know 9 times out of 10 they won’t want to deal with them once achieving it.
I'm so glad you block the dustys in the comments. It must take so long. 😂 They seems to come out of the woodwork angry women have the audacity to decenter them.
It's so safe here 💕💕💕💕
@@Daisytheprincessss Yes! It is the best!!
New here, what are dustys?
@@lunarrobot9714 dusties are below bare minimum low effort dudes
@@Emptytopfloor😂😂😂😂 it’s like I know what the are but you defining it just took me out 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
As a South Korean woman who loves all of your videos, I’m really happy that you made this video. The ultimate goal of Korean feminism is for every women, even those who do not strictly follow the 4B movement, who do not consider themselves feminists, to step out of being evaluated by men or patriarchal society, and to stand up for our own lives in the end. I’m again glad that your video understands this concept. Hope that every girls in our spoiled girls support-group will be the best ‘teammate’ for themselves! I’ll support you all girls' forever happiness made in your own special way!!
❤❤❤❤ I'm a 32 y.o. woman from Spain and I've been to South Korea on 2022 for a month to learn Korean language. I loved your country but also saw the misogyny in only 4 weeks I was there😢😢😢. I will come back and I will love to meet the 4B women. Here in Spain we have your backs💪🏽🫶🏽
❤🌹❤ Korean feminism is very inspiring to women worldwide. I like the principle of stepping away from men, even if I don't adhere strinctly. I am childfree and celibate for more than a decade but do date and am open to partnering with an extraordinary man. Have male friends and family but do not generally invite them in my home where more service would be expected than in public. I do invite my girlfriends and cook for them and enjoy showing them hospitality. Keeping some distance from most men does more for my peace and happiness than crying or yelling ever could.
Do you mind sharing what you saw?
I’m South Korean woman too and this is so true. I’m so happy that we’re finally discovered and heard from our fellow women worldwide! I’m so sick of getting stigmatized for supporting feminism in Korea. They stigmatize for nothing, they are not even interested in what we think.
Thank you from America. I appreciate that your movement highlight that it is women who can stop giving birth to men, so they should stop the bad treatment towards women who made it possible for them to have life.
Single. Childfree. Just turned forty. Live in Australia. No one bats an eye at it, any of it. Everyday I say a silent prayer of thanks for being strong enough for following my gut and not marrying. And to my younger ladies, don't be afraid to go your own way. It's a damn good life.
Yes! After I turned 40 I began to experience profound gratitude to younger me for not settling, she thought she was missing out but she secured my fabulous future with a minimum of (trauma) baggage.
@@5HTrades Love this. 🙂
What about staying single and adopting an orphan girl? I want to do this and I'm hesitant
Exactly I would rather be alone than take a risk with a man
no its not, you cry yourself to sleep dont lie
During the Korean War the men forced women to walk over land mines and die making the bombs explode. They did this so the men could then walk safely over what remained of the women’s bodies. I think that's a perfect illustration of how women are (not) valued in Korean culture.
And don't forget the generational wounds of all the women who were forced to serve as bed maidens from men's consequences of the war between korea and japan
@@crestfire8008 Wtf. Women are human being first and foremost. Our ability to "bring life" is not nearly as important as the fact we are already living human beings ourselves.
@@VeSpEr7iNeYes it was. It’s called parthenogenesis. Women used to reproduce asexually. They would only reproduce female children. Something happened where the XX mutated into the XY. Then women were made/taught to reproduce sexually with the XY, creating more XY’s. Or boy children. There is nothing new under the sun
@@VeSpEr7iNeDuh reproduction requires two gametes, yet men can’t render human beings from their own flesh and sustain that life on just their milk alone for a year, so 🤷🏻♀️
@@VeSpEr7iNe sorry but its the truth, women are much more valuable because we literally create life along with being more emphatic and responsible
Afro American lady here 🙋🏾♀️happens in the blk community too, the coddling of blk men only harms women. Divesting is more than a movement, it’s a life saving choice ladies🙏🏾
Its true i honestly never even paid as much attention to the Korean women side because it happens so much in my community my goodness its starting to seem like its males in general
Girl it's all over the world. Women are entering the age of enlightenment 🥳🥳🥳
It is worldwide because this is male nature….regardless of race combined with patriarchal philosophy.
Women have been conditioned that poor treatment is normal.
Thanks to learning the male nature and women sharing their liked experiences, women are standing together and opting out!
@@zerotolerance2026Yes, it is male nature. It applies to all classes of males, but many women seem to be in denial.
Amen. Its safer Not to even deal with em.
There was a movie I saw years ago. I don’t remember the name of it. The women got together and made a rule to stop having sex all together to discipline the men. I think it’s a great idea. This isn’t just a Korean problem this is a world problem. A lot of women are abused after becoming mothers and easily lose themselves to taking care of their children alone. Even while married. Men abandon women regularly that’s why single motherhood is so common. Most men are running around with no restraint and oppressing women in the process.
That sounds familiar. Are you talking about Wives on Strike? It’s a Nigerian movie about wives going on strike to protest underage girls forced in marriages.
Yeah I saw a movie like that to force men of the village being the ones to go searching water. Women, even if they are pregnant, were forced to do it for so long it become a tradition. So to change it they stopped having s*x with their husband. The movie show that men used violence to have what they want.. in French the movie’s name is « La Source », idk what is it in English but I loved this movie ! I recommend it
They did that in "Chiraq" also
Yikes… a recipe for grape and disasters. The police barely do shiz now about crime and violence… be careful what you wish for.
@@flowerpower7065There's already grape and disasters now. Something has to be done. If you snuff out the men in power and replace with women, you'll see a change.
I’m from Indonesia and many women are FORCED to marry (even someone that they have no clue about) through arranged marriages & early-age marriage because they see women who are not married by the age of 25 as a shame to family’s honour and considered a disgrace. The women are not allowed to refuse nor have a voice/opinion about this and forced to accept it. Come to think of it, this “honour” thing was made by men to protect men and prioritize men. It was perpetuated by the father (happens to be the head of family who controls the entire family’s POV) to protect their “pride” and “ego”. AND I AM SICK OF IT. I wish more people in indonesia can have a choice to say no!!!
Arranged marriages are horrible and human rights violations
Had an Indian roomate whose grandma was on her case, trying to get her married. Roomate wanted to not get married and become a doctor. She cut her hair short before going back to India for the holidays, and said the men she was presented with all rejected her because she was now ''ugly''.
@@kated3165 so cutting the hair short is a way to avoid arrange marriage i see😂 good for your roomate!!! I pray she can be a good doctor in the future!! ❤️
I'm on the lgbtq spectrum and I was on the lesbian subreddit the other day. Someone posted about how they are being forced to marry a man despite being a lesbian and not wanting to be married. Broke my heart. I hope that woman and anyone forced into marriage finds peace someday.
The female workforce grows stronger every year, women have a big impact on the current economy, and women choose education over traditional life roles bc they are very limiting (on purpose). Tho there are still a lot of unfortunate women in these situations that you described which they cannot escape from, I am cautiously optimistic that these situations will become less and less in the future decades. We will collectively choose paths that will change things for the better for all women. Because all girlies deserve freedom to make their own life choices 😔
We can't end misogyny, but we can breed them out 🤷🏻♀️
Yes! Let nature take its course,
Natural selection!
YES!!!!
yup, by picking a good man he will pass those ideas onto his children/sons if you have any and the incels and their mindset will die out
@@en2336🎉🎉🎉
Desi women, specially, need to take notes from this. It's high time, girlies!!!
Literally! & I'm here for it
yes! Imagine us women realize our power collectively. Sounds heavenly.....
🤎🤎🤎
It’s kinda tough over there with parents marrying off daughters before they graduate HS! Without any control over money, the only way to survive is by being a pickme, unfortunately 😢
@@amarjotsingh8455 ikr, especially most of the indian women over 40s are more likely to be a pick me, they literally live their life according to men's standards yet they get treated badly by their husbands still have the audacity to continue radiating the pick me behaviour, also they are extremely jealous of us young women because we actually use our brain and not obey all these old fashioned rules imposed on women in the name of culture.
Well I don't blame you all. Women have been more than kind for thousands of years. If nothing changes, nothing changes.
@@DISASTERJOE W- Wow you're calling me an.. AN EXPERT?!?! N- Nobody h- has ever called me an expert before... 🥺 👉👈
I- I think I... I... I'M IN LOVE WITH YOU 😍😳🫣
@@DISASTERJOE Haha I'm just kidding... Unless...
@wayneisname Hahaha, brilliant. 🤣👏👏👏
@@wayneisname4544 😂 Perfect response.
@@wayneisname4544 I wish I could see the comment this was replied to for more context 😭
Latinos have passport bros too. As as child I remember, migrant Mexican male relatives and friends who went back to Mexico to find a “traditional” wife because they felt American women were too liberal.
Now I understand what they meant by liberal. They wanted a woman who was new to the USA and depended on them so she would not leave them when they were abusive, chauvinistic or cheaters. So gross
Thank God it's over. Women are waking up ❤
I know!! I’ve come across a lot of Latin men and Indian men doing this shit too!
Yep
Women are passport girls too. Lots of them go abroad for adult fun.
@@ceeIoc thats just smeks tourism tbh. Passport bros looking for wives.
Filipino here . Happy childfree and no more dating . It sucks mens problems is not my problems
Yes same here . Salamat ❤
@@maricelg777salamat rin. Childfree and focus sa sarili with community is fufilling than dating men ❤
Another similar fellow here. 👋🏼 I’m Fil-Am can you tell?
Your woman be the one who goes for passport bros the highest btw
Agreed! Me either, I'm from PH, relationship was so overrated
How a country/state treats it's women speaks volume about it. I come from a Goddess-centred state in India, Bengal. Our language is gender-neutral, so is our society. But here's the thing: women are celebrated here, just like our goddesses. A girl being born is seen as an embodiment of Goddess Laxmi coming into your household.
Bengalis know the Source/Shakti is where everything in this world comes from. Even the name of our captial city Kolkata comes from 'Kalikatta' which translates to 'land of Kali'. Our women are rational, logical, yet feminine & fierce, just like Mother Kali & Goddess Durga.
And that is the reason majority of men from northern states hates us Bengali women. Because we see right through their BS.
I walk around here freely at 3am without worries, ordering takeouts after midnight. Never felt the same anywhere else in India.
That sounds amazing ❤
I remember watching a documentary that showed the contrast of two different villages and tribes in India.
The one that that had been practicing male children preference for decades/centuries was dying out and the other tribe that honored and valued their girls were thriving.
@@ogolden8315 That's the issue with rural areas in India. Which is why our Supreme Court did take necessary action required to prevent mistreatment of girl childs.
Then again, being the 3rd largest Asian country, a lot of areas do go under the radar. Hence, an unknown number of unreported crimes.
But our govt is trying, and situation is improving too.
I'm tempted to come and visit, if there are straight flights into Kolkata. I'm intimidated to travel through areas that might be dangerous.
@@awg7068 There may or may not be direct flights available, depending on where you're located currently. Otherwise from what I know, there's only one layover in Delhi.
And I would definitely suggest old Bengal Renaissance places to go to when you do visit. 😊
Like Dakshineshwar, Firingi Kali Bari, Nahoum's Bakery, or the old world tea houses at Park Street. You will also definitely benefit from hiring a good local guide. Just make sure they have a good rating and reviews when you do your booking through website.
You can go to big hotels or Raj Bari stays, but if you're in a budget, smaller hotels in Park Street are pretty good too. Just make sure to go through reviews and pictures to see if it's to your liking.
The comment sections is giving United Nations. Women of ALL backgrounds are FED UP!
Yes! I’m so thankful for social media!
😂😂 we are not taking any BS
The real United Nations right here.
So true lol 😂😂
this is so real
Rich women have already figured this out, it's high time that poor women get on board too. Oprah never married Stedman for a reason, shyyt.
Most rich women are unmarried and childfree
Thisssss
@@talkingtochapri yeah like how Song Hye Kyo divorce from Song Joongki. And now her ex husband married a white Koreaboo. Because real Korean women know the shit that goes on in reality.
@@talkingtochaprithey know why😊
@@sapphiremoonstone939 can you explain to me the Koreab... Point ?
discovering sisterhood is healing me.. hiii besties
Me too❤🥂💃
Heyy 🥰
Same
We may fight and argue but we will never do you the way men do you. We will always be here for you 💗
Hellooo
As a happily married woman - I 💯 support the 4B movement! Only give access to yourself and definitely only procreate (or risk procreation) with good men. And if there are none in your area to be found? The culture is messed up? Do what you need to. I married my husband bc he treats me as a human being, not a walking womb or a nanny. He is my partner and goes above and beyond. He is the only person who matches my servant mindset energy so that’s why he gets the INNER inner circle 💖
Thank you for support 🙏
And I'm happy that you're happy with your husband ❤️☺️ good people will always win ☝️
I hope he wakes up and realize that he doesn’t need you then, because you don’t need him.
Happy for you🎉❤
@@planet7694 -Someone without understanding, I think.
They are together because they want to, not because they need to. Bet you don't have that🤔
@@planet7694they don't need each other. THEY WANT EACH OTHER
Women have to make legit communities to protect themselves from pushback
I have said this on other channels, Ladies, be prepared. In the past, men respond with violence when women empower themselves. Proactively preparing for this possibility is radically important. Learning MMA/Krav Maga, is good, getting your CCW training, permit and side arm is most important.
@@awg7068 This! I mean you already see it in the US, with the war against our reproductive rights.
I would also add getting your money right, knowing your rights ( in countries that actually respect law), and building community with like minded women.
We absolutely do need to become more dependent on each other. Due to abuse we have become so independent and refuse help from anyone. We need to unlearn that and stop putting ourselves at a disadvantage.
@@awg7068I’ve been thinking about this so much. Especially with the widening ideology gap between men and women in many parts of the world (young/gen-z women becoming increasingly left-wing and men increasingly right-wing).
@@lurobu I don't think that most men were meant to live with women. I think that most of them would have been off in the woods with other men prior to stuff like religion. They had a long run leading things, and mostly just screwed everything up.
I'm not Asian, but I was a victim of a very sexist father and it scarred me for life. I am only just now starting to regain control over my sense of self worth at 36 years old and I literally asked myself this question a few days ago: "Why do these kinds of people think boys are worth more than girls?". Like, literally, why? I don't understand. Maybe back in the day it was important, but not in our modern day and age.
I am also at the point where I'm about to give up on men and dating or ever having a healthy relationship with anyone. Today, I literally got rejected for wanting to go ballroom dancing with someone, because I was not skinny enough and I didn't even wanna date him. I wasn't even looking for a date, I just wanted to go dancing. Like bruh, it's literally exercise and it's not even like you have to lift me. I'm so done with this bullsh*t, it's exhausting. I'm better off on my own. I'm so glad I never wanted children, so I'm not really missing out.
people still ballroom dance? 😮
Am sorry to hear.
I asked my uncle once why should i get married why do i need a man ... i was imagining some productive conversation happen there you know why should i change my mind ... he brought up an incident where i was harassed by an old man once and said i also do this kind of thing soemtimes and this is how we treat women who dont have men by their side... i saw a mask slip or something we talked about other things but this thing stuck with me since then ... like how many of them are demons hiding behind a mask of gentleman
omg horrible uncle
Go back and pull that mask off and call him out
Here's a better answer to your question that you asked your uncle: To get married or to not get married is your choice, but you shouldn't be framing the question that way. You ask "why do I need a man?" as if anyone is doubting your ability to live independently. Any human, man or woman, can do that.. if they really wanted to. You don't really need a man to survive these days (except for the men who built the roads, homes, electrical grid, plumbing, etc, but you get what I mean). But what kinda life is that? Sure you're surviving, but are you truly living? I haven't had kids myself yet, I'm only a 22 y/o man, and I used to hate kids. But watching my older sister have kids, babysitting my nieces and nephews, my in laws too, I couldn't imagine my life if they weren't around. Listening to other women speak about it, they say it's the most rewarding and fulfilling thing in their life.
@@bruhhhhh12345You cannot have guilt of not having something you never had in the first place/you never wanted and have other things to feel satisfied in life, yk.
Children is only one of many things that brings you the ultimate satisfaction. It's not the definition of "truly living" like you suggest.
@elizabeetle13 to each their own, there are pros and cons. I think if you don't have kids then its at least important to maintain close relationships with people in other ways.
my ex who didn't get a job for 10 whole years! lived with his mom the entire time, would take up 6-8 hrs of my time almost every single day otherwise he'd literally cry like a baby if I didn't spend time with him, and would low-key threaten to unalive himself if I'd ever break up with him because I was his "meaning of life." He still had the audacity for me to want to give him at least 2 kids (especially boys!) to carry on his dusty name.
His ancestors were Irish royalty or whatever and he was the last of his line, well GOODBYE! 👋his DNA ended with him because he refused to man up and stop being a dusty, and he's old, still jobless & unattractive so he's unable to baby trap any lady now anyways, whilst I'm still in my 20's vibing & thriving 💅✨
I noticed that women are not doing any good by ;helping XY; my godmother’s brother is an alckoho&@ in his 50 and mommy is still giving him money and paying for his accommodation so the son wouldn’t lose his flat ( that she bought for him) and would not come to live with her.
Make it make sense 😅
And yes they are looking for good women to take care of him.😅
It’s so sad when in reality women are not obligated to do any of that.
A daughter can be so easily disowned but son -never
And somehow y'all still ended up in a relationship....
@@complexity-jw8wx yah cause I came from a broken home with two narc parents and was desperate for love from anybody, but I should have chosen a man who was able to protect me not only emotionally but also physically and financially.
But he brainwashed me since I was 15 at the time and he was 26 that I was his "soul mate out of the entire Universe, no man could ever love me as much as he loved me." But if he truly loved me so much, he would of gotten a job. My brain was in survival mode though so I couldn't think clearly.
If I had Manifestelle's content 15 years ago it would have helped me so much xD 90's mainstream media was obsessed with "humbling women" creating so many movies having the message of, "if you don't date this poor guy down on his luck then you're a stuck-up gold digger" but now I'm proud to say that I am a gold digger 😄
Наследники пыльного дивана ))) как хорошо что сбежали,счастья вам!
Men: But we'll go extinct if you don't sleep with us!
Women: Woooow, that's crazy and all, but I don't see how that's MY problem.
Considering they’re soo concerned about their lineage, they’re not doing much to save it.
@@GrungeGalactica so true
@@GrungeGalactica Exactly! Less talk more masculine action.
@@GrungeGalactica Well if it takes some actual effort...
Bruh I don't get it. Homelessness is thru the roof, crimes against kids are up, we can't put our kids' faces online because of p-3do rings. Elites are implicated in trafficking, child care is thru the roof, millions of kids missing and spaces for kids to play are virtually nonexistent. Never mind the quality of air and life a kid is looking at growing up, but these people are trying to pretend they care about kids!
I’m part of the 4B movement, and I understand women who want to be in loving caring supportive relationships! I want to see women thrive!! The core belief is the same in both the spoil girls movement and the 4B movement: we want women to thrive!!!
Men: if you women don't get married and have kids you will end up with cats and will spent the rest of your life drinking wine
Women: don't threat us with a good time
ROFL 🤣❤️
Honestly 😏
I’ll take the cat over the man 😂
And they still try to gaslight you into wanting them after you say the cats are fine they start hating on the cats 😂
Cats are easier to clean up after, I don't have to stress over what to feed them, one of my kitties snores so faintly you hardly notice, and they don't mind if I drink wine.
Wish evolution worked a little faster so all the misogyny could be weeded out
genetic information spreads extremely quickly, don't worry
If people are still xenophobic and racist in the 3rd decade of the 21st century then why would sexism be gone either 😅
also it could never end destory a even horizon make a nakd singularity the misspell was intesional and since it has no event horizon the singularity with infinite mass creates stuff like a solar system without any reason and since it can live forever since no event horizon also infinite universe potecially infinite universe
2 thing you need to explain why is misogyny bad evolutianarry wise and second if already billion of years why wasn´t it weeded out already
There's another word called Misandry and I see that more than the other in this modern age. Men will still do the jobs women refuse to do in mass that keep society running. If they don't then that means no more society for empowered women.
Thank you for pointing out that it's patriarchal to hold women to any prescribed standard. We are individuals, we are not archetypes. I'm here for the 4B and de-centering men movements, but let's recognise nothing is one-size-fits-all. We simply want women to be free to make their own choices, live according to what's best for their circumstances, and support each other in doing so. It's wild how that triggers a lot of people.
@@reedy_9619many women have the men standard like beauty and child rearing but most men don't have the women standard
As someone who lived in Korea for years. Yeah i completely get it and i need the movement to get bigger!
thank you for sharing🤎
@@therealmanifestelle I don't get it. Could you explain to me what are women tired of specifically ? The video was too vague for me. It made it sound like there's no loving men in Korea, which I find hard to believe because every country has its good men, bad men etc.
@@praetorian3902 Its not just the men, its their cultural in general, its literally built around treating women as inferior. And yes, there are definitely still some good men in Korea but unfortunately not enough to change the system. The women can't be complicit in their own oppression just because there are a few good men left.
@@Maya_hee Fair enough. Thanks.
Let's make it global, ladies! ✌️
🤎🤎
And so... IT IS ! 🪄
It's definitely getting there.
One more time- and so it is ❤❤
Y'all still need men it's nature and you can't stop it
I was just watching a random video of a man talking about the 4B movement. He said it was "cute" that we want to work and feel empowered. He also said that we are bitching too much and that we are selfish for wanting to heal, self care and focus on ourselves because we don't want children or men. He also said, that we will become old, saggy and ugly after 50, and no one in society would want to put time into us or help us. How disgusting is this mindset!!!
What's your opinion on the marriage between charlie johns and Eunice Winstead? I think its a iconic marriage and marriages like that need a comeback.
Life without purpose is a miserable life,
Your children give you purpose.
And having children of your own is not actually possible without marriage.
MAGTOW moment in the west is also extreme,
4B moment is extreme too.
@@islamhelm7852 ewww projection, plus if you're religious, shouldn't God be your only purpose?
@@Shtickyaight The pursuit of God is entirely spiritual ( if one become hardcore) and pursuit of loving family is both spiritual and material.
If you get distanced from God and a loving family.
All the world pursuit is entirely material and your heart will feel that void of spiritual fulfilment.
Now coming back to your question that "God should be our purpose."
God him self has made and encouraged the institution of marriage.
If all the people become celibate than after 100 years no one will left on this planet earth.
We have to balance spiritual pursuit and material pursuit as God him self asked us to balance.
Its true though by the age of 50 you as the woman lose the looks (if you even have that) and the only useful thing about u is the wallet and the mindset and the friend group, if you dont even have these things you are basically useless
Totally agree!🙂 As a Korean-American woman, I can relate on so many levels. Until I clicked on this video, I wasn’t aware of the 4B movement. I remembered the #MeToo movement though. Though I was born and raised in the U.S., I was mostly surrounded by Korean adults during my early childhood. My father had a violent temper, and was abusive toward my mother. At the time, she was juggling a full-time job, paying bills, taking care of the family, etc.. While my father was trying to run his own business and do as he wished. Eventually, my parents divorced and my sister and I chose to live with our mother in a distant state. In my 20s and 30s, I had mostly negative experiences with men. Now that I’m in my early 40s, I choose to remain single. I have no desire to get married or have children. My main goals are my career, looking after my mom, saving money, and traveling. Plus, I’m very independent and a feminist, which intimidates most men.
@@woop-dd8zn Thank you so much!🙂 Best wishes to you as well!
My biggest issue with the west covering asian politics and issues is the lack if insight into the whole situation. Meaning that the (male) west might give the Korean women a lot of hate for this without considering how Korean women have been thrown away before even seeing the light of day for decades. I knew aborting girls was a common practice in China where now the government forbid doctors to disclose the gender to becoming parents now, but I wasnt aware it was a thing in Korea in the 60s!!!!! CRAZY. Shocking.
But honestly, cant say anything bad about 4b😂 Im freshly single and man-free and my life is just getting better and better. Ill go back to dating some day... But that might lie far away in the future hihi❤blessings to all the girlies out there
Sweetheart, they're already doing that. 💀
They are going to hate regardless, why do we need their validation?
They do the same to women in America so...
You think they care about what women go through?
it was in india well
I like it because this will allow men to brcome good men and become proper providers.
Action will ALWAYS speak louder than words. Crying, yelling, and cussing will not get to them. So we walk away.
Mhm! 👆🏾💯
Highly doubt that
Exactly ❤
People will not change. The ones having broke mentality will remain broke
This ❤
the goddess Oshun withdrew her feminine energy and watched men fall
I love this story, don't know what you say in your country, but Axé! sis
ASE!!!!
@@_Spider4Incel found
Asé
@@_Spider4now it’s the projection time ladies now that these men are seeing they didn’t have anyway to win this gender beef now it’s deflection time and the backtracking will be real… they showed their cards already ladies these are the same men that showed you how abusive and spiteful they Were just because you wanted them to treat you decent
This honestly just shows that women REALLY hold the power in this world. And with us finally realizing that, It'll be REALLY hard for men to try and take that away. 😂
We have to make sure the younger women carry the torch. Males have tricks up their sleeves to try to keep power, the idea of “love” being the most potent.
@@WellBeing999Yes men will be going for the younger generation because they’re more impressionable in their minds
@@_Spider4awww because we want to focus on our selves 😂 we’re not giving dating advice on how to be a narcissistic like red pill… just want our cats and dogs early and you’re mad 😂
@@Shillery-n1i you nailed it! Red pill says "Go your own way", then spends all its time talking about negging and other tactics. We're saying date or don't, but keep centering yourself and be your own Barb the Builder.
@@moeshasmilesI’m 23 and I’m here
We are the creators and destroyers of worlds. Embrace your Kali goddess energy, ladies.
Yes!
wow, that is such a vibe! have you secured your bag bestie?
🤎🤎
Empowering!
I need that on a shirt.
Kali is 100% the spoiled girlie goddess ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
I'm married to a great man, but if anything were to happen to him I'm staying single. We have chosen the child free lifestyle, I know finding someone like him who respects my decision would be extremely difficult.
That's why happy wife happy life. And men think they're the prize💀 you are nothing without women
I feel like men subconsciously know that they are nothing without woman which leads to a weird inferiority-superiority complex. "Having" a girl/wife/woman is then a status symbol to other men that they are worth something, thus the dehumanization of women. Women become property (the "having" language is so possessive) and a trophy to show that you've won at life.
Surprisingly, I think the Barbie movie does a great job of showing this deep insecurity that men have through Ken - tho exaggerated by flipping the power dynamics in Barbie world. Basically, as women gain the power to de-center men in their lives, this insecurity is laid bare.
@@gio-ve7vn loved barbie movie ~ so glad you saw that part and the energy. It went over alot of heads with friends I have that are more conservative (redneck)
@@_Spider4 there is no cooperating with a tyrant.
@monk4ever Except stats prove you wrong. Single women live the longest, while men NEED marriage for their health. Don't un alive yourself now, it's very popular with lonely men.
@@IdishrkdmdUntrue. Women make friends very easily compared to men. They have deep friendships. Also, hormones deplete when older so the drive for a relationship or sex is not really there. Men lose their sanity and get depressed as they get older, older women do a lot better in that regard. They don't feel like they missed anything from what I've heard, they feel disappointed that their love and effort went unappreciated by all the men they met. Their flower wilted due to men. The acute disapointment and disgust is a cause of sadness, not being alone. Cats are amazing companions, no women I know in their 50's drink or at least not excessively and usually in social company with their girlfriends. Women do single childfree life well later on, men don't.
I explained the 4B movement to someone and their first response was “oh that sounds a bit extreme?” Nah. The way men treat women has ALWAYS been extreme. Misogyny should never be seen as NORMAL or remotely acceptable.
Exactly they never get the full pictures and just call 4B "extreme"
Some European men travel to Thailand to find traditional wives. They should hurry up before the 4b movement reaches there😂😂😂
Oh, It looks like korean men
@truffaut650truffaut6 LOL! Hope the movement gets there first!
Funny thing is many of these women are no going to Sweden looking for swedish men. So..
@@r.s.4672 won t gonna happen cuz they need money
😂😂
I read Kim Jiyoung, Born 1982 last month. It led me to research more about the origins and existence of systemic misogyny in Asia (which has been accepted by many Asian Americans), and let me tell you, the literature is RICH
I need to buy a copy, it sounds really interesting.
Me too @@awg7068
Thank you for the info Cassie, this is a very interesting and important topic, I'm educating myself right now about it❤👏🏽
@@PanteraRosa91 you’re welcome love! I wish more people (especially in the Asian community) discussed this more. Granted, we know damn well why they won’t…
@@CassieTranthesuperfitbabe please share more literature! I want to read up. Thank you!!
Yes! I’ve been out of the “relationship market” for years. I’m finally learning to be truly myself, and truly happy. (I’ve been married and divorced twice.)
One of men's biggest fears for a very long time has been women finding out their lives are better without them. It's finally happening and I'm eating it up.
thank you for sharing🤎🤎
❤
Slayyy
@@toxihex876womens biggest mistake is realizing if you live life single, you actually have to work full time until you die. you dont get an early retirement by getting married and having kids. you literally die while on the job and thats your life. 10 hours a day then death. gl with that
We live in a world that’s run by THE BOYS CLUB. And that’s why movement like this are important.
I told a man that I currently have no car and he told me that expecting him to take me home is expecting princess treatment that I shouldn’t expect from someone that doesn’t know me. I asked for basic human decency, they think that basic human decency is asking for princess treatment. They want a cheap wh**e, I now have the guarantee. Even my female friends knowing I don’t own a car take me back home at night.
This sums it up pretty well! So if dropping me home is princess treatment I will gladly get my own uber and never see you again lol what are you actually going to add to my life?
This is why it’s so important that women support each other in time of need….like a ride, somewhere to stay or financial support.
Also very important that women focus on being financially independent. The goal is not to “need” a male for anything.
They will use that need against you and suck you dry.
@@zerotolerance2026 I agree 100%
so following that dude's logic, the times I, me, myself, drove a guy to his home, was I giving him the "princess treatment" as well? hahaha, omg! like they're not boys, they're princesses!! good to know xD
oh well... BS of course, that "man" wasn't worthy of your time Laura, you tell him: "chaooo" for good :)
Holy goddamn. This is eye-opening. I have always been the one to take care of someone who doesn't have vehicles ... and yet, I got nothing in return.
Canadian girly here, and I'm halfway through the 4b movement. I'm childfree and refuse to get married. I have a feeling my bf and I won't last long so once that's over with, I am DONE with men. Done. No dating. No intimacy. Byebye men, see you never.
Living in a country which DESPERATELY needs this movement, your comment and the many others are empowering me to do so on my own. Ugh, I live laugh love women fr
Dw girl same here LMAOOO Canada NEEDS the 4B mvmt.
@@Booboothatfoobed I'm very much a straight woman but I FRIKKEN LOVE WOMEN SO MUCH. I'm such a girl's girl that it scares people sometimes lmao YOU GO GIRL I SUPPORT YOU!!!!!
so you have 2,5mil stashed in the bank to retire from 65 to 85? Otherwise, it might end up on the streets.
South Korean girlie over here :) Just want you to know that I admire you for speaking up and waking up so many women. I am always rooting for you!
If my whole social identity was someones mom id be so depressed i wouldnt doubt ending myself, legitmaely I wouldnt have survived as a korean woman
That's one the things I'm seeing with older moms is that 'mom' is their identity so when their kids are adults and don't want to spend much time with them they're lost. Women need to stay interested in themselves and who they become, not just whoever comes out of them.
the audacity of some men to assume that their company is preferable to our own peace and happiness
Let's never forget how female kpop idols have to be in the perfect image of a man to succeed, like with Red Velvet's Irene, who once read a feminist book and hurt men started to hate on her and burn or cut the photos that they had of her. Or even just last month with the release of wife from (G)I-DLE was banned from being broadcasted on a tv channel for "inappropriate language" when it's a song about not wanting to be a traditional wife and the only inappropriate language is innuendos, which is far from the first song to have s*xual innuendos, and their title track Super Lady, which did extremely well, in terms of sells and views and downloads, and yet they haven't been able to win that many awards since it's a very feminist song (this is speculation but I fully believe it, especially when you look their past all kill comebacks)
Love G-Idle, hope Soyeon will continue doing her thing forever. And yeah misogyny is real in K-pop as well.
I am so hopeful for the young women coming into their own today. I hope you all chase your dreams, I hope you all live your best lives in whatever way that looks like for you. I hope you accomplish what I never could. ❤
Oooh, same Girlie! I am *LIVING* for seeing how these younger Ladies are centering themselves and building beautiful lives! How I wish this movement had started when I was young, but that's ok, it's NEVER too late!
I think the rest of the world needs to take notes. Let's go South Korea hopefully the rest of us can do the same.
INDIAN WOMEN...... PLEASEEEEE!!!! Take notes!!!!
Yuppp sis we need this so badly!!!!
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We want to but it's just not realistic, family will force especially girls into marriage. If you live in a liberal rich family this can happen or let's say your family is somewhat poor and you get job in foreign maybe that would happen.
@@thesevenkingswelove9554 honestly I relate to this but we have to get our education, earn and leave our families. We are not suffering at the cost of 4 log kya kahenge. I'm in the same situation but I've determined myself to leave. I'm gonna make my life decisions on my own.
we can't create a radical change in india tbh, it's unrealistic
I am so happy to see young women realizing they can live the life they choose. I'm childfree in my 40s and received constant pressure to be a wife and mother when I was young. Good luck ladies ❤
This is a true feminist movement. I hate that in the west, “feminism” is just thrown around and has lost its meaning.
It seems to be thrown around by men who don't bother looking up the real definition and just want to see it as threat
How is this "true feminism" in any way? Feminism should be about having a choice... whether or not you want to have children, date men or women is completely up to you, but this movement only suggests the extreme... "no heterosexual relationships" and "no childbirth" wtf. That is the opposite of freedom, that is just another equally opposite version of control. Controlling what women should or shouldn't do, deeming it good or bad. No, I guarantee this is nothing like feminism in its original form.
Thats about intersectional feminism you are writing, try out radfem, they are battling with patriarchy for female only rights.
Real feminism has been labeled as "radfem", "feminazi", "misandry" and "terf" in the west 🙄
Kim jiyoung, born 1982 is a great book... Everywhere we have the same type of painful experience as women
Women : we would like the bare minimum
Men: ew that’s toxic and clingy of you. Why r u asking for so much ?
at this point - 🔥 exactly what's going on!! 💯🎯🔥🤦🌴💩
I would say that women want less than bare minimum, but men think it's too much.
Bare minimum = all the laws that are only for "weaker" gender and more being made every minute. Makes sense.
Bare minimum = take free money in divorce. 👍🏾
@@jaideepshekhar4621 but you don't go into relationships with the intent of eventually divorcing them??
I love it. I fled a bad marriage that was killing me. Rebuilt myself, and when I was feeling better, went back out there and saw nothing good. I consciously decided to say the hell with this, and refocused on myself. All my money, time and other resources went back into my life. I reinvested in my career, my home, my social life, my hobbies, etc. Before I even noticed, three whole years had passed, and I still wasn't crying in my cornflakes for need of a man. I can do what I want, when I want, and how I want to do it, and it's all drama and stress free.
These Korean women have the right idea. Why would I *ever* subject myself to more BS? It just distracts me from happiness and growth, there aren't enough evolved men out there to make it worth slogging through all of the horrible ones in the hopes of finding that Unicorn.
Same! I took all my positive energy and poured it back into myself.
I’m back in the gym and already lost 10lbs (yeah me). I can now cook that foods I like, sleep better, I enjoy my hobbies, my friends, my family, and my peaceful home. Single for life. I’m never going back!
@@zerotolerance2026 NICE!!! Keep it going, build your life up to your absolute best!
😢 I love it❤
@@zerotolerance2026 Nice!!! Keep it going and snatch up that awesome life Girlie!!
Just spent a few weeks in Korea last month. The grown women there are living their BEST lives. Deep friendships, pursuing passions, regularly meeting up…
The men on the other hand were living a struggle. It was so clear to me why red pill guys are trying so hard to gaslight women into settling for them - they NEED us. We don’t need them.
Korea was a glimpse into the future for me and ladies, we’re going to be fine. IF we refuse to settle.
Gosh even here in the US the men I see have such lacklustre friendships and bonds, like they don't know how to actually be friends and vulnerable. Sucks for them, they have to figure out how emotions and growth work.
FACTs
왜 4B운동을 하지 말아야 할 혜택만 받는 사람들이 징징대는 거지?
I mean,
Men could also be struggling due to the forced conscription in the country. Combined with the hellish cost of living in South Korea. And a rigid hierarchical structure that strongly discourages friendships between people from different social classes.
There is a reason why modern Korea is called Hell Joseon.
A lot of Korean men probably become bitter towards Women. Because Women and "Feminism" are convenient scapegoats. It's easier to say that women are to blame for taking all the jobs.
Rather than looking at the ugly multifaceted Economic picture of an country that's becoming less and less livable year by year.
I gave up trying to have a relationship with men almost 40 years ago. Been celibate almost as long. I thought it was just me. It’s great to see I wasn’t wrong.
🎉🎉🎉
At 16, I was this way too and I'm 29 and still feel the same way😅 I never wanted kids and I don't desire much relationship with a man, I'm too content with my solitude and women friendships
I gave up at 26. I’m 69 now. No regrets.
@@0fficialselena__90me as well! I am very content and happy but have to admit it does sometimes make you feel left out/not included with other women alot of the times who all have a partner and have there whole hang out circle consisting of couples):
Girls we run this mutha
"oH cOmE hErE bAbY, hOpE yOu StiLL LikE me!.... F YOU, PAY ME."
@@gladitsnotme Hell, not even that. I can make my own scratch, and not have to deal with BS while I get my bag.
I made a wish in 2021- I'd love to live in a Matriarchal society/country, I'm so curious what that'd be like. I'm so pleased with these movements and women leaning more and more into their true power, maybe I'll get to experience my wish in real time! 🙏🏻 I'm dreaming every day of living in a community with women, close to nature, free to love and heal each other from centuries of wounds and suffering 💗💗💗
do those exist?? that sounds amazing
Sounds like paradise.
It's been discussed in varying female centered social media. The idea to buy enough land, wall it up, and provide our own law enforcement, etc., is extremely attractive to me. I'd drop everything, sell my house and move.
I have family inherited land in rural Eastern Europe - agricultural, for animal pastures and forest. There's plenty that can be purchased around my properties as well, very peaceful mountain area. I reckon it would be sustainable for around 100-150 people
UGH A DREAM 🥺🥺🥺🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Absolutely! Full support for the 4B movement.
@@zar8885 😂🤣
This movement needs to become global quick and fast cause its getting stressful out here where I live, Pakistan.
While I am never planning on getting married or having a child, my father on the other hand has made it clear my choices don't matter and if he has to force men, then so be it. And this is just MILD compared to what women here go through.
Pakistan also has honour killing problem?
let's make this global
Ive seen videos talking about the issues south korean women deal with, the mens activist there, and the 4B movement and men literally cannot have empathy for women in any way.
Men calling the 4B movement evil and useless (even tho they are throwing tantrums about the idea) calling women and feminism evil and the reason men are discriminated against(actually funny) and in general very delusional about any gender issue. Women in SK get treated as second class citizens because they want equality and Korean men and western men alike will somehow make themselves the victims. Hard not to get a mindset
Indian men too. Even worse tbh 🤦♀️🤦♀️
Feminism is a hate movement change my mind I'll wait☕️
I hope Indian women start this movement.
wow! this makes os much sense im only 16 and learnign all this really helps me not get into the trashy high school dating scene! Thanks!
You are totally fine if you don't date anyone. It's really-really better to focus on your education, on learning new skills at 16.
If you interact with guys you should always think about the purpose of it, about your goal. This is a good playground to learn how to gain respect, how to productively interact with d-bags. It might be good for you to get some experience.
You typically don't get the best options in HS anyway.
Yes, it’s a completely normal, okay, valid choice to NOT date in high school! 👏
Follow your intuition, take your own path, and don’t let anyone else try to convince you you’re “doin it wrong”. (They can’t know b/c they’re not you!)
I didn’t date till after college and I don’t regret it one bit, because the only guys I’d met till that point were trashy! I’m not sad I missed out on trash. 😂
You’ve got this sister, you do you! 🥰 🥳
Great advice being given. There will be pressure on you to date, don't buckle! There is *plenty* of time for dating, but right now, so much of your future happiness depends deeply on getting your education, and planning out your future moves. Get to know yourself now, learn as much as your brain can take in, educate yourself about everything you possibly can. Let the girls who are hell-bent on chasing boys do their thing, you stay focused on building the best possible life that you can have, and learning to know and love yourself!!!
yes please don't do my mistakes, I lost my 20s worrying about men dumping me, cheating on me, etc. If I could build a time-travel machine, I would had stayed single for all those years!!
Take your precious time, girlie!
American women need to adopt this.
American is matriarchal society no?
It’s catching on here!
MEN ARE ABSOLUTLEY TERRIFIED! THIS MAKES ME HAPPY, HOW DOES IT FEEL BOYS??
@@_Spider4 Really? Do explain.
@@_Spider4 I'm sure you know best, despite the facts, those pesky things.
Terrifying.
@@raincloud1040aww thank love ❤
@@_Spider4 sure, but men don’t act like it.
Yeah to hell with all the hurt men bring. I’m Chinese and stand with my Korean sisters, 4B is genius. Never forget ladies, they let us have our own bank accounts in the US in 1974. That’s only 50 years ago.
I would love to see this being more popular in China.
The Movement is Real, Elle.
like; Why do Men hate Women? It is so scary!!
Whilst those Men are brought up by Women? (not deflecting here).
I'm so confused....But I know it doesn't make any sense beyond physical violence..
Why is this a "Fact of Life"? This should not Be "A Fact of Life".
I'm so glad we are here to look for answers. Instead of looking for justifications for how things are just a "Fact of Life"
The Movement is for Real!!!
Yeah, I'm done wonder why they do, I just accept it now, and act accordingly.
Once I seen a TikTok of a wife going on a 3 week vacation and she was teaching her husband HOW TO DO LAUNDRY WHILE SHE’S AWAY
Men need us because they’re lonely and they won’t experiment with other men to fill in the void. But until SOME of them learn to respect women as who they are, then they can befriend their left hand.
I remember writing out a full page of instructions to my boyfriend at the time, explaining to him how to cook pasta 🤦🏼♀️ he stayed at home while I worked two jobs. Oh what a fool I was!
How has he never learned to do laundry before
why do women always bring up the bottom 1% of men and act like that represents everyone?
@@bruhhhhh12345don't flatter yourself, most of you are like this. You don't even notice it.
@@bruhhhhh12345Cope harder and learn to do better then lmao, you sound like what I said ached your little heart 😂😭
I lived in Korea for 2.5 years. Not surprised.
Life is better without men! I promise you. Imagine only surrounding yourself with emotionally intelligent life. People who understand you. People who arent completely helpless babies. People with behavioral and moral standards! You wont miss men.
Agreed! My life is much more peaceful and I accomplish so much more!
Riddle mw this?
lesbian divorce rate 80%
Gay divorce rate 19%
Heterosexual divorce 80% initiated by women.
So whos the problem again.
Now look at the domestic violence rates between lesbian couples.
Whos the issue again? 😂😂😂😂
@@josephgodslayer9961 In most lesbian couples…one person takes on the male role…which is aggressive and controlling.
In most gay couples both males are very effeminate which is loving and caring.
No woman leaves a healthy happy marriage.
So you tell me who is the problem.
@@zerotolerance2026Most lesbian couples take on one male role to be violent and controlling? Looks like you're just trying to pin problem relationships between two females on males despite none being present.
Some relationships aren't natural, and that's a fact that we have to accept 🤷♂️
So true, I’m over men, they’re too stubborn to evolve, so it’s best to leave them behind.
Kim Jiyoung 1982 also has a movie and a drama if I am correct. I've seen the movie and it's really good. The most hard hitting scene for me was when Jiyoung's husband comes home from work and sits at the table with a beer. He sees his wife, who has been wearing a wrist brace for a while, washing toddler toys and folding laundry. He asks her why she isn't resting her wrist when the doctor told her too. She responds with, "Well the laundry still has to be done." And he sits at the table with this sad look of agony on his face because you can tell he loves his wife and worries about her, BUT STILL it doesn't even occur to him to get up and help her. Like DAANG bro. Kind of hated the end of the movie though because it basically ended a few years down, their toddler is around 5, less demanding, Jiyoung's post-partum depression has passed and she can go back to work while her husband who has 'seen the light(?)' now picks the kid up from school. So everything worked out in the end once baby phase was over! I'm like nah... the problems do not just go away like that. It kind of made it seem like once Jiyoung got 'cured' and her husband stepped up a bit everything was ok. Like her depression was the main problem and not the loss of her career she loved and social circle with the baby, her dad barely gaving her a second thought while doting on baby brother her whole life, demeaning in-laws and her husband's lack of help.
I'm a 39F and asexual. Never wanted nor needed a man.
you're aromantic too ?
but congrats u find ur peace
7:00 about the way the husband acts is basically what marriages are in Brazil now a days as well and a huge number of 30+ women gave up on men and most divorced women want absolutly nothing to do with marriage again. Marriage with working mom here in Brazil is just like this: Women do everything home related plus working outside while husband go 50/50 and do nothing besides working and cheating or having an affair in his free time (men in Brazil still see cheating as being some kind of status around his male friends). And if women stay at home their work is seen by men as being lazy doing nothing and free labor for granted and many times being treated horrible by the husband because "he brings the money and do everything and she can't leave him anyways" . It's an issue in Brazil as well all the problems around the interaction of males with females and women are rethinking marriage a lot.
Mistreatment disincentivizes partnership and family formation. When you disincentivize something it goes away. Economics 101. Tax cigarettes and a lot of people will stop smoking cigarettes. Mistreatment is like interpersonal taxation, so it's no wonder women in Korea and other countries respond logically by giving up on relationships
I am from Brazil and am feed up already. Child and marriage free, and don't plan to change that. 4B just makes sense. Read somewhere a quote that said: (to men) "If that's the best you can offer, thank you, but I decline".
É isso aí !!!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
There is a Korean proverb that says a woman should be spanked once every three days. It is shortened to "Samilhan". In Korea, there are many couples who use dating accounts, and all foreign women say that they pay in Dutch, and even if they drink coffee with their own money, they mock them as "kimchi women" - a language combining kimchi and woman, and serve in the military for about two years. There is a custom called Gunmu-sae, in which he talks about it to women until he dies.
I had no idea I was trending. No marriage. No kids. Great career. Heartfelt friendships. 4B my entire life. Best. Life. EVAH.
There's good men and bad men, dont get baby trapped by lazy, broke, broken men. Choose wisely or suffer worse.
I see this happen all the time...
No man is worth it
I'm with a great man right now. Good job, emotionally intelligent, level headed, lots of skills. Hard to imagine a better man than him. The thing is, even with the BEST man, the woman still does 70-100% of childcare while trying to have a life and career of her own. Until men can step up as equal parents to mothers, no man will be worth it. Even men who are good fathers don't do half the work of women (except in RARE instances of single fathers).
@@valleriejoseph there could be infinite univere or multiverse make a infinite man worth and infinite man that you will kill you
@@haileythurston6280 What do you mean rare?
There are 4 million single fathers in the U.S.
And what about gay couples. There are a million of them.
5 million out of 130 million isn't that rare. That around 4%
WE WOMEN ARE TIRED!!! WEVE HAD ENOUGH OF MEN!!
Who cares? Nobody actually
society would crumble in a day without men
@@l.3626i care and clearly you do too since you've commented
@@l.3626 i care
@@youwererightdreamer1152that's great!
Korea is a *very* patriarchal society and I'm glad this is starting to be overturned. Even during traditional holidays such as Chuseok and Seollal, women are expected to stay home and prepare food while the men share drinks, talk, meet friends outside, etc. For the longest time, it was also considered normal for women to do *ALL* household deeds while men did nothing, and while this has changed considerably over the past several years, some of this still remains.
I'm a Korean boy raised in a Korean household in America, but I'm so glad my family doesn't exemplify this. Both my parents work and share household chores evenly, and my dad will make dinner or vacuum the house if my mom is tired. Seeing how it wasn't like this in some other households was very eye-opening.
If you're not going to treat women like people, then they have every right to stop producing people. Simple as that.
Thanks for explaining this! Heard about the movement but didn't get all the details till now. After seeing men burning pictures of Red Velvet's Irene because she read Kim Jiyoung, Born 1982, I also read it. Remember books are powerful! I also really recommend it plus it's a quick read.
In Korea, there is an atmosphere where if you offend a man, you are either making a big mistake or are treated as a strange person. So, no matter where you go, if you do not dress up in a feminine manner, you will be noticed, and even grown women will make childish voices to please men. Because they were daughters, children and teenagers had to work in factories to support their brothers. The girls who were gaslighted marry men when they become adults and live a life of cooking for men and being watched over. In Korea, most managerial positions are men.
I like this RUclipsr.And how she is on a heartfelt mission to spread awareness about the not-so-great ways men treat women. With the charm of a kitten and the wisdom of a seasoned sage, she delicately tackles the topic, making it feel like a warm chat with a trusted friend. It's as if she's gently nudging women to be a bit better and smarter for their own good. Watching her is like sipping hot cocoa with marshmallows-warm, comforting, and sprinkled with a dash of eye-opening insights!
Have been stuck in a bad marriage for 20 years. Stopped sleeping with him 4 years ago. Put him in the basement apartment, went back to school and waiting for my kids to age out. Loving myself and my kids. Strategically heading toward divorce. He is dumbstruck, never wanted to change those years I begged him to change. No more gaslighting. Will never settle again!!!❤
lol
Boo hoo
I'm proud of you and hope you manage to get out of that marriage❤❤❤
l live in Seoul. I don’t tell someone about what i am doing but actually 4b is real to me. many crime including sexually assault to woman but unchanged light punishment and blame victim. it made me sad and mad and got fear so protested it name under feminist. but these days korean man has aspect define feminist equal with evil and they usually has a more power in social life. I'm mentally exhausted So I do 4b to protect my normal life and broke patriarchy. I don’t know how many people do 4b and sadly i think it isn’t the mainstream. but 4b is clearly exist here.
How do they have more power in social life? Please explain more. Also, with this power, they will not be able to force a woman to get pregnant and give birth, right?
I understand, I'm Korean American and I've learned a lot about what's happening around the world.🕊
at the end of the day, any men mad about the 4B movement prove why it's needed. Because why are you mad that a woman is choosing NOT to do something? is it because you see her as a human person with her own wants and needs who can do as she wants? or is it because you see her as an object that you are owed.
@@analogworms don't need us or can't get us? Sounds like a skill issue man
I don't think the male politicians in the South Korean government will happy about this! Their population is rapidly decreasing. But good for the women! Also I know this movement is empowering for the women but I'm worried about how men will treat women that are part of this movement, they might get insulted and even worse for their mindset and lifestyle.
There's even antibaby zones in korea, so you cant just grab a coffee/eat out if youve got your kid with you. Shows what their society thinks of women and children.
Exactly and in America it’s harder to get childcare and places now mostly cater to only adult preferences (teens struggle to find places to hang out)
@@tiredoftheworld4834 is that really due to the patriarchy though? that's more so the fact that everything is expensive including going places to hangout, its all monetized by companies
Women in America need to get on this movement
We need this movement worldwide!!!
@@Sundandruff yes
Yes
How do you think that will end for you? Genuinely. Do you think women will end up in a better, or worse situation? Women are overplaying their hand.
@@jimson3785 Women (globally) have realized that being single and celibate it's much better than dealing with men who bring nothing but trouble. So what's the threat, sir? My peaceful life?
@jimson3785 Cry about it. The point of a partner is to improve your life and if men can't learn to be better than the comfort of solidarity that's on them
I love it - if we don't like something, we can vote with our feet and we can just opt out, telling them that we don't want this and this is the end of it.
add more context what about being something you cant just opt out like cosmic censorship