EFAP Movies #13: Mulan 1998/Mulan 2020 back to back with JLongbone and Moriarty
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- Опубликовано: 8 янв 2025
- There's this awesome movie called Mulan, we're gonna watch it! and then we can check out the other movie that's got the same name I guess =(
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Mulan 1998 : She outsmarts the challenge instead of Brute force
Mulan 2020 : She has the Geh
She just has the power of lesbonius in her now
The Big Geh*
Yeah, courage and determination too. Actually admirable traits, unlike just already being super powerful. Unless you're a neurotic feminist who knows only Cope.
Yes. The original one taught us, that you do not need physical strength to succeed. It is more importend to train the mind and a small girl can beat an army of men...
And the WOKE version tells us that you are basically fucked if you are not born with a special gift...you little girls wanna dream? y, better forget that!
JD hey if it worked for Rey in Star Wa-just kidding! History will bury Rey and everything in the sequel trilogy!
When Mulan revealed herself as Ping to the evilman, he responded with "the soldier from the mountains..." He doesn't care that it's a girl and immediately perceives her as the main threat.
Meanwhile new evilman keep bringing attention to her being just a girl and belittling women through the film (especially the witch).
Shan Yu was more progressive than new evilman despite being a vampire sithtism.
Yep, and that change makes no sense at all from a writing perspective. Shan Yu being the only character who *_doesn't care_* that Mulan's a girl reflects the societal problem (namely strict gender roles) that Mulan is having to overcome. The new film makes it that everyone's shit and just muddles everything by doing so.
Not to mention the Mongolian or huns in this case were very progressive for thier time and had many female warriors, because they didn't care for gender
@@Hashbrown1682 Funny enough; the villains in the movie are called the Huns, but they're actually based on the Xiongnu (another culture from the steppes like the mongols and the huns). The main villain's name, Shan Yu, is actually a Xiongnu title.
@@matthewmuir8884 huh.
Well, how about that
everyone knows the best way to win a fight is to insult the person who's helping you with her witch powers because vaginas can't be magical
Never again will we have such a perfect example of Strong Female Protagonist vs "Strong Female Protagonist" ...hopefully.
"Strong Female Protagonist TM"
A narratively strong protagonist vs a physically strong protagonist
STRONG female PROTAGONIST 🆚 EXTREMELY STRONG FEMALE protagonist.
Edit: 1:12:18 There is 1 Impostor Among Us
Don willing
It turned out that Dio wasn't actually dead.
Director Niki Caro: "Mulan isn't a superhero, "we wanted to portray her as a normal woman pulling off realistic feats"
Also Niki Caro: *makes her into Chinese Rey*
Rice Rey.
@@Rick_Harper Rei Soywalker
The Rice of Skywalker
@@Rick_Harper Rare Ricechewer
Y'know, realistic feats, like backflipping off your horse and kicking a spear into someone's sternum, or carrying buckets of water with arms outstretched and never breaking posture. Things normal women can do.
But to keep the comment thread jokes going, Rei from the province of Xiaku.
Concerning the riding next to rabbit thing.
Disney was very proud about that scene because it’s taken directly from the original ballad about Mulan.
Except the point of this part is "Male hare’s ears looks like this and the female’s posture looks like this, but when they run side by side how could you tell if they were male or female?"
This was basically the last part of the "it doesn’t matter if you are a woman or a man, in certain things both can achieve the same goals"-message of the ballad, but Disney in their infinite wisdom did not get this simple thousand year old anallogy.
It more or less tells you exactly how much they're about to miss the point as the film progresses.
Poem: "You can't tell the gender of rabbits when they run side by side"
Disney: "I can tell that running rabbit is male, and that running rabbit is female"
Maybe in a way, the fact that she recognizes the female rabbit while it's running is more accurate to Disney's view of gender: it's not that a woman can do things a man can do, it's that a woman can do things because she's a woman and women are just the best at everything. The only way that scene would've been more fitting is if the female rabbit ran faster than 20 male rabbits before mating with another darker-furred female rabbit.
Disney managed to make a $200 million dollar episode of Batwoman. It's kind of amazing, really.
Honestly, even Batwoman was better than this. At least in BW, it’s so bad and stupid throughout that you just kind of go along for the ride after a while.
Sam Lund And Luke has that REALLY good scene.
Let's be real man Jacob carries that show but yeah this is abhorrent I am glad I didn't watch it
Not gay enough for a Batwoman. Also no Naruto-running.
@@rinslittlesheepling1652 APOLLOOOOOOOO!
Mulan 98: you havent aged a day
Mulan 20: you’ve changed and not entirely for the better
"I understood that reference"
Lol! 😂
I think you should swap the words "not" and "entirely"
@@xolotltolox7626 yes, but it's a Gandalf quote. we gotta keep it clean
I clapped when i read this comment.
It's amazing how amazing the 1998 one still looks. Just goes to show that great style choices are ageless.
First half - God I love Mulan.
Second Half - God I hate Mulan.
Disney in a nutshell.
First half - before Emperor Iger
Second half - Emperor Iger still reigns
First third, Second two thirds
the duality of (wo)man
"This is old Disney, they killed people."
"I know, that's what I miss."
I didn't even think about that - big true.
3rd Pirates of the Caribbean movie implied a child was hung for being a pirate.
Oh how the mighty have fallen.
@@edgarallanpwned6666 hung for ASSOCIATING with pirates, even. The list of pirate-related charges that will get you hanged in that opening scene is reeeaaally long.
In Disney's first live-action movie, Treasure Island, a child shoots a pirate in the face.
AKA: When Disney had balls.
"Do you think they're avoiding that one, cuz, she was saved by a kiss from a prince or whatever..."
Well that aged well.
I was thinking the same thing xD
^.-.^ The Disney Formula is so bland that everyone can guess it’s single ingredient.
@@Beuwen_The_Dragon It's boiled tofu, if you were wondering.
So weird to see EFAP genuinely having a good time with a movie; losing their shit laughing at things that are actually supposed to be funny.
Yeah, I kind of wished they watched more films they liked together. It might be better with comedy films though, or films with some comedy, otherwise dramas or anything emotional might keep them quiet while watching.
It makes it both hilarious and kind of wholesome to me when Moriarty asks if they have to watch the bad one.
@@GJGaming208 I feel like serious films make for the best/funniest commentary, it’s just really hard
It's kind of like their LOTR reacts
EXACTLY
The only good thing about all these Disney remakes is that they're highlighting exactly why the originals were so good.
Just as Wolf predicted.
And hopefully we can get more of these kind of videos cause I loved seeing them actually have a good time with a movie that wasn’t garbage! Then I got my daily fix with the new garbage
Jælänhørn yeah maybe every time one gets release, the originals get a Witcher 3-effect in sales. That’d be something to actually praise them for
it helps their based off stories...like lion king is just hamlet
Imo the best part is that Disney is releasing 4K versions of the originals.
"That's not how the Chi works." - Han
David 7 wrote "I've talked to my Chinese friends that why they don't like Mulan overthere, these are the reasons they told me. 1) Disney made a mockery of "Qi" - that's not how Qi works, a person isn't born with Qi, Qi needs to be acquire through many years of hard and challenging breathing techniques; and even with strong Qi one still needs to train fighting skills to be a great fighter, Qi itself doesn't magically transform you to a Mary Sue. 2) Chinese culture really hates Mary Sue - the Chinese culture values hard work, character development. The idea that a person is born with ability to excel at whatever she wants is distasteful in China. 3) Chinese, while they love fantasy movies too, don't like to mix fantasy with real history. The idea that there's a witch in one of the most treasured historical legendary story like Mulan really turned them off. 4) Finally, Chinese usually want strong and powerful villains in their movies, that's how they stay engaged with the story and plot development. But this movie's villain is such a joke it immediately turned them off. These are just the 4 reasons I was told why even in China they really hated this movie."
Underrated comment
IDK about #3, man. I've seen sooooo many cdramas set in historical settings with fantasy elements mixed in.
So what you’re saying is Hamon in Jojo (the anime with vampires that can shoot lasers out of their eyes) is more accurate to what Qi is than the movie trying to be culturally accurate? Seems legit
@@ND62511 Yes. 100%. Hamon is solar powered qi. But this movie's chi is just the Force.
I don't know how true some of these points are. 1. A lot of Wuxia and Xanxia do have the leads work hard and train hard but they are usually from some great line that may have fallen in recent generations or have some great ancestor and it's because they're born from greatness along with their training that they were able to rise up. 2. Romance of the Three Kingdoms, Wu Kong, and various others myths are constantly used in stories that mix fantasy and real history. 4. As for strong villains, that's hit or miss. There's a stereotype of characters named Dong that are minor a-holes or bully characters that are there for face slapping (the arrogant young masters) and there usually isn't an overarching villain as so much that there are villains for each arc. Not to say that there aren't stories that follow your points but I've read far more works where it's not really like that.
98 Mulan: A grand old time all the way through, full of colour, laughs, heart and passion.
2020 Mulan: 2 minutes in and everything looks fake and bland and they've completely ruined her character by making her a Mary sue at the age of 10. Fantastic.
to be fair she sorta is a on her feet mary sue but its not focused on...like her knowing to shoot the mountain is a mary sue moment imo..how did no one else think to do that?
@@razkable It is not really that Mary sue though? That is just creative thinking and any character can do what she did if they thought about it for a moment and looked at the surroundings which isnt all that ridiculous. Keep in mind the other guys are being charged at by a horde of mongols on horses and are keeping formation so could be argued they are just in a last stand type of mentality and are merely trying to take out the leader which isnt also a bad idea is just that Mulan took advantage of the mountain. Mary sue would typically be the MC has access to insane amounts of power that noone else has added in with plot armor and everyone typically loves them for little to no reason. Mulan 2020 she literally causes an avalanche with the big gay and other CGI nonsense.
@@razkable
This is what one has to do to defend the remake. "Well old Mulan was kind of a Mary Sue too because, um...she had an _idea!_ "
Not just any Mary Sue, a smug one, that wants to fight everyone.
@@razkable Not really, it's repeatedly shown that she is an outside-the-box thinker, she notices in a reflection in her sword that the mountain has a ton of snow barely clinging to the side.
“YOU WILL NEVER BRING YOUR FAMILY HONOR!”
Right. I hear you. Time to capture the avatar.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Let's forget about the Avatar, and get massages!
HONOR!
"I'm the Avatar you gotta deal with it!" Oh Korra, why were you made this way?
@@Sims4T laziness...
Something I really loved with the original Mulan, in the montage, Everyone grows. It rises Everyone up, to be soldiers. It's not just Mulan, you see Everyone taking the martial poses, they show multiple people succeeding at the different tests.
Y'know, Equality?
Unlike the new one, where Mulan was Born a better soldier than they can ever become.
Y'know, superiority based on circumstances of birth?
So PROGRESSIVE you guys!
Remember women: You need magic to keep up!
Imagine the crushing expectations placed on you as a girl watching all of this media in which women are just smarter, braver, wittier, stronger, faster, morally superior and in some cases magical just by nature of existing. Every girl these days is apparently expected to be able to beat up 10 men in a fight while quipping one-liners before curing cancer in the next scene at great personal cost to herself without flinching once. It's insane.
@@Phoenix0F8 they would respond back "but thats what male characters have been all about right???"
But those serve more as inspirations for real life boys and men, while these female characters come along with an ideology: you are being oppressed and looked down by the wolrd, so you HAVE to be better than any other man, or you are either oppressed or part of the problem.
@@Phoenix0F8 As a women sometimes I see these character and think “guess I’ll die” because god knows I ain’t magical.
@@denkerbosu3551 it’s really sad because we’ve had badass females in media, (Ripley, Sarah Connor, 1993 Milan) and then the people who make this shit want to act like we’ve never had great female characters.
@@dylanbell268 that was one of the things that really pissed me off about the new Star Wars movies where they act like there's never been good female characters, even in their own franchise before
we don't deserve EFAP, they just give out this gold for free.
@Timefliesbye worth it.
@Timefliesbye a small price to pay for salvation
Best stuff is still head.. Halloween and Christmas streams. 🎄🎃
freefap
yeah mauler, rags and all the rest are so funny
It's probably worth saying that "Be a Man" was never about sex or gender, it was about self-improvement. Mulan, a woman, exhibits the greatest ability to do both of those things, without needing any other advantage her peers in the army possess. Mulan didn't need magic powers to kick ass, she just learned how to kick ass, like everyone else. The song has ended up on the workout tracklists of millions of woman across the planet -- especially covers of the song performed *BY* women. It serves as a strong follow up to "My Reflection", which is Mulan's galvanizing lament. "Be a Man" follows Mulan discovering that it is harder than she thought to blend in with soldiers.
There are a LOT of messages in the movie, one of the big ones is being yourself -- the movie starts with Mulan being uncomfortable with having to wear the mask of all this prim and proper matchmaker garbage, follows that with a song about how she wishes she could just be herself. She then decides to try and be "Ping" so her father doesnt have to risk his life, which is followed by her being similarly awkward as she was in the matchmaker attire.
Mulan shows her greatest drive when she is doing things *she* wants to do beyond the expectations of the masks she wears. "Fa Mulan, eligible bachelorette" isn't who she is, "Fa Ping (haha), drafted son" isn't who she is. She's Fa Mulan, loving daughter and determined woman. When you present her with challenges she tries to solve them proactively, and does these *best* when she can do so honestly -- that's "Be a Man". Mulan, using her own ingenuity, her own efforts, overcomes Shang's challenge. She doesn't do it for anyone, Shang doesn't point to Mulan and go "Ping! You sissy f***t! Get up there and PROVE to ME you are a REAL man! Get that arrow down or youre out of here!". Nobody had to get the arrow down. It was an open challenge, to anyone and everyone in camp, and she did it to prove she could.
After that, we get a whole montage of *all* the soldiers who'd struggled with being soldiers, *ESPECIALLY* Mulan, demonstrating how far they've come, going from unsteady and awkward to capable and competent. Mulan becomes a "man" in the same way all the other men in the camp did. It was never about exhibiting qualities attributed to men, it was about not being a burden on your fellow soldiers and risking their lives in the process. Mulan was not the *only* one struggling, and she was the one who excelled the *most* out of all of them -- this pays off later when she basically singlehandedly defeats Shan-Yu's army *BUT THE SCENE DOESNT END THERE.* It *ENDS* with her saving Shang's life, and her friends, the people who *ALSO* improved during "Be a Man", saving *HER* life.
TLDR: "Be a Man" is a montage about how *everyone* needs to work hard if they want to get anywhere.
It gets sung again while her soldier friends dress up as women to infiltrate the Palace, following Mulan's lead.
Excellent analysis! You, friend, are the reason I browse EFAP comments.
Well said, this comment deserves way more likes.
Great analysis
Instead, "Reflection" ends up being co-opted by the trans crowd...
Hands down the most underrated joke in the entire video.
“I’m glad Stevie Wonder didn’t have to see the Mulan Remake.”
"Who is responsible for this?!
"Goliath"
"I KILLED Goliath!"
"No It's his son, Goliath 2"
Goliath 2, electric boogaloo
I get this reference
"It's the sequel to Goliath."
"Ralph I thought you where dead?"
"Nope!"
Ari 6ix “Just say Goliath 2, ya dingdong!”
OG Mulan: Is an actual character that grows and perseveres through all the challenges in the story and uses her intuition to become an honorable warrior.
Nu-Mulan: lOL, cHi GivES mE, UlTrA iNStiNcT poWeRs!
The fact that Nu-Mulan DIDN'T start firing Kamehameha's legitimately surprised me.
"You gotta deal with it!"
@@FunZies. Honestly Korra is a better character then Nu-Mulan at least she has her moments and can squeeze out a laugh here and there but above all else she had/has potential as a character Nu-Mulan is just a knock-off who took the name of a fully established and complete character and ruined her
Courage, determination, ingenuity, vs inherent power.
@@NoomEnihsDrop That's like comparing a 4/10 character to a 1/10. Sure, you are technically correct in that one is better than the other, but that doesn't make her a good character by any stretch of the definition.
I laughed a lot during the original because the comedy was hilarious and well implemented.
I laughed a lot during the remake because I couldn't believe what I saw, and the only way my body could express this was through hysterical laughter.
Didn't it make you feel 👌tactile👌?
Well, as the Long Man himself said, there comes a time in all forms of media consumption where you are so utterly bewildered by an event taking place, that there are so many things wrong with it, that you don't have words and you simply laugh.
@@cherrychocolate1434 quantumania was it for me.
Rags: "TUNG SHAU PASS!!"
MauLer: "Ah yes, Saruman..."
Rags: "No, it's Gandalf."
The Black Knight: "You're both wrong."
Radagast is behind it all!
"I move, for no man"
"I am no man. Mnyaah!" - some movie, probably
Monty Python and the Holy Grail is a really good movie, anyone who hasn’t seen it should watch it
We also would have accepted:
The Black Knight: Am I joke to you?
My favorite thing about using the phoenix for Mulan 2020 is that in chinese mythology, the phoenix represents fertility, not rebirth. So really, every time it shows up, it's just saying Mulan was ready to have kids.
So when the phoenix soars behind Mulan with its wings out, it REALLY meant that she was ready to jump Borri Khan’s bones?
@@jackdaone6469 😂 I guess, yeah.
And also the "phoenix = rebirth" is from Greek and Egyptian mythologies, not Chinese, but that's been pointed out by several other people. Still a funny bungle to mention, though.
The pent up frustration gives her superpowers in order to attract a mate.
Wait. Did nobody point that out during production? We know they had cultural consultants so did none of them point it out?
A bit of advice to aspiring writers: If adding/ incorporating a magic system doesn't add to your story or makes it more convoluted; you might not want to use it. Also In the original Shan-Yu kicked ass through just brutality and intelligence(the doll scene is an excellent example). Meanwhile the new movie Villain needs a witch to do all the heavy lifting making him not nearly as intimidating as he could be.
Considering he folded almost immediately after she died it's safe to assume he never would've had a chance at his revenge without her. I'd actually be cool with that, but they had to go and make the witch out to be the one suffering for no real reason.
also he got tricked into releasing an avalanche onto himself...
I know it’s no the same, but Ghost of Tsushima did a better “ruthless invader” story than this remake. Even the villain was better in just the opening than the remake’s villain in the entire thing. Khan calls for the messenger... then sets him on fire.
Shan-Yu also had a more interesting motivation; he attacked China because he saw the Great Wall as a challenge which says something about his character as well. In the new Mulan the main antagonist just wanted revenge... yawn
Shan-Yu is such a slept-on member of the Disney Villain pantheon if we're being honest
1998: I'll make a man out of you.
2020: Not even a cricket.
Not even a dragon!
Not even a good character!
Not even a funny bad character
Not even a goddamn genuine laugh!!
Not even worth the price of admission!!
How is a cartoon with a talking dragon somehow less ridiculous than the live action version?
The “You go GURL” Fenghuan ‘phoenix’
XD
Because the cartoon didn’t take itself too seriously except in moments that it needed to be.
The live action version wants to be taken seriously but has stupid sh*t like warriors running up walls, Witches with Magic, ridiculous stunts, and a bland protagonist that has a bone to pick with everyone she meets even though they are just trying to help her.
Actual arc and good storytelling without the need for pushing an agenda.
@@thereviewersblock7459 the cartoon took itself seriously when it mattered, the live action lost the plot around the time the introduced Mulan as a legend.
Because cartoons and anthro animals aren't inherently ridiculous otherwise they wouldn't be prevalent in most religions, myths, fairy tales, or folklores.
I did the same thing with my friend. We watched the original and went into it with the assumption that we were blinded by nostalgia and the movie is actually not as good as we remember but we ended up having a blast. Then we watched the remake and my friend (who isn't as much as an obsessive compulsive weirdo who dedicates way too much time to movies) paused it half way through and asked "Do we have to keep going? This movie sucks. Can we watch the original again?". When even a casual viewer hates your movie you know you've done something wrong.
Reason #298 why 1998 Mulan is better than 2020 Mulan:
2020 Mulan returns to father telling him she lost his sword.
1998 Mulan returns to father bringing an extra sword with her.
Fun fact:
The dog being named "Little Brother" is a direct reference to the original Mulan legend. In the ballad, Mulan only refers to her brother as "Little Brother."
So yes, that means that the animated film has more in common with the original legend than the 2020 remake.
ThatGomuGuy Pretty much any small male is “Little Brother”; that or whatever the chinese equivalent of Little Clown Boy is.
@@samwallaceart288 Don't get your point, its just a name of a dog. Also, in Chinese culture, we do call little brother as, shockingly, little brother. "xiao di di", its basically a direct translation. Also we don't call any small male or little boy as "little brother". There's other terms in Mandarin for that.
@@MrAsh1100 are there any equivalents for those other term in english? If there aren't that could explain the confusion.
@@caseywensnahan3543 Little Man, Boy, those are a few that could actually be more of a belittling term in Chinese. "xiao nan ren" "xiao ren". Tho "xiao ren" was also used in an audience with the emperor to refer to oneself since you're literally a lower rank than the emperor.
@@caseywensnahan3543 Little Brother or xiao di di is usually used much more affectionately between siblings or even extremely close friends but different ages.
I didn't pay to watch the new Mulan, but I still feel like I'm owed a refund.
Refund on seconds to the blasted movie itself.
The Bad Witch: *Gets Shot*
Movie: *Plays Sad Music*
Everyone: DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD.
*Plays that party music at the end of Mulan (1988)*
@@GJGaming208 or the 80s music. 😏
I would have preferred if it hit bland mulan...
Then something interesting would have happened...
Ding Dong: I know, I saw it happen; you don't have to tell me that.
Ding Dong sounds like it would be the name of the witch that the American Disney writers would come up with.
'We wanted to make Mulan more realistic and historically accurate, so we went ahead and added a magic system.'
They actually filmed the new Mulan in the same territory where a known concentration (or “Re-education”) camp is located in China, a camp where the Chinese have imprisoned & tortured hundreds of thousands of Uighurs in order to wipe their culture off the map. Imagine if American filmmakers filmed in Krakow, Poland, the city close to Auschwitz, during the Holocaust. That’s the equivalent to what Disney did.
In addition to that, you had to TRY to make a film this incompetent, Disney. I’m speechless. And lastly, you have to love how they made Mulan into a Mary Sue.
Thanks, Disney, I hate it.
And to add piss to the wound, they charged 30 fucking dollars for this movie.
It’s actually worse... nowadays, Auschwitz is a memorial to the poor souls killed and tortured by the Nazis. There would be tasteful ways to film in Krakow for a movie, given that time has passed since WWII.
Meanwhile, China is CURRENTLY “Re-educating” Uighurs, and Disney thanked them for the privilege of filming there... disgusting.
edit: I misread. You meant it was as distasteful as filming a movie in Krakow during the height of WWII... I definitely agree
Tbh I dont think that this Kraków example is a good one. I mean I guess that cities do get paid for filming in them soo as long its not illegal in any way then there is no problem at all for non polish film studios to film in here
Really couldn't give a shit less about the plight of Muslims.
@People saying Krakow is not a good comparison - the OG comment clearly says " *during* the holocaust"? Lol?
Old Mulan:
Awww...
New Mulan:
Ewww...
May that be the way these films are approached for all eternity.
So say The Don, student of Bigideas and Bilbo Baggideas.
@@yetanotherspuart3993
"Arrrg'ably..."
Captain Tonald The White
I'd argue both deserve an "Awww..." just different types of "Awww...."
"You can still take the noble path"
"Alice, you've got a second chance"
They were right, Mulan and Batwoman are one in the same.
So, when the spider appeared out of nowhere, I realized the only reason Mulan failed the matchmaker is because the plot dropped an entity into the film to ruin the day. Devil Ex Machina, if you will.
Funny enough, the name TV Tropes uses for it is Diabolus ex Machina:
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DiabolusExMachina
Yeah. Like, in the original it’s actually clever symbolism that the cricket from her grandma is the thing that screws up; it’s like her family’s own concept of femininity butts heads with the cultural zeitgeist, and really it’s not such a bad thing that Mulan is rejected by some random woman from society when her grandma knows she’s alright.
Hi, my name is Lu Ka...AHH!
-that poor spider
I don't even get why the Spider in the new one causes this problem. The cricket messing things up in the original I tracked because Mulan brought it into the meeting, but why was she so concerned about hiding this random Spider if she (correctly) assumes it'll freak everyone out? Why not just point it out, have it removed for potentially interrupting the arrangement, and then continue business as usual?
If you know the deep lore of EFAP. Spiders can see the future and foresaw that Mulan was going to be such a strong woman that if the spider didnt interfere, she would have passed every test and the Matchmaker would have turned out to be an evil old jealous woman who purposely screws over the younger women, because she could never get a man.
DasBoSchitt really went above and beyond with the editing on this one. Some of the visual gags he put in there had me cracking the fuck up. The little blood splatter from where the dog hit its head and the second avalanche were just superb.
Disney: We're removing Mushu because it's too Western.
Also Disney: Mulan's sword is now inscribed with *the FBI motto.*
Also also Disney: We're portraying the phoenix as it is described in Western mythology
Lol, FBI sword.
There are many things I hate about this movie (that battle scene, for example. The entirety of it. You might think Mauler and the gang ripped it apart - they didn't. There are so many problems with it that they didn't notice. I need Shad to take a look at it), but... this line from the father 1:27:38 , for whatever reason, pisses me off the most.
What "foolish pride"? What other option did he have? Just refuse?
So, you live in Ancient China. And you disobey a direct order from the Emperor. What do you think happens to you? To your family?
You don't just die. You beg for death because of the torture you're put through.
Him becoming a soldier means that at least his wife and daughters get to live. He's a hero. Why are we trying to portray him as the bad guy?
Well this is just a fun watch party. When Mauler wants to rewatch to know everything bad. He will make an unbridled rage.
@@Shizilol I'm not saying "Oh, Mauler missed so much stuff, how could he?!". I'm saying "This movie gets progressively worse on successive watchthroughs".
'Watchthroughs'? Yeah, that's a word now. I says so.
Racism, clearly.
To me it's quite clear why the movie wants to portray Mulan's father in a bad or at least not favourable way.
Then again, the last thing the Imperial Army needs is a cripple who can't even march with the Army. If anything, they should have been exempt from conscription.
Fun fact: the original Mulan has a lot of subtle commentary on Confucianism that the remake abandons in favor of wokeness and “empowerment.”
*the remake abandons
Oh yeah?
Been forever since I’ve seen Mulan. What was the commentary?
Replacing one religion with another, really.
Jack Daone Mulan essentially points out a contradiction in that Confucianism values Filial Piety, Ancestor Veneration, and loyalty to one’s duties, yet at the same time promotes strict gender roles and believes that everyone has a strict role in society and a place in the world they must fulfill. The original Mulan points to the contradiction in that one’s duty to their country and their family may defy the roles society tells them to fulfill.
Also the fact the Huns are based on a mixture of the Xiongnu and the Mongols and that the warriors only refer to her as “the soldier of the mountains” reflects the more egalitarian nature of the Mongols and their nomadic life on the steppes, which gave women more rights than in China, which is a subtle irony that the new one never once mentions
@@Le-cp9tr I was actually thinking about this because I realized "Be a Man/I'll Make a Man Out Of You" really was on pushing the contradiction (I thought they actually had a thematic problem there) and it helps translate the concept of The Superior Man/Sagely Prince into a gender-independent interpretation for a more modern society. Because Be A Man as played the first time ends with Mulan overcoming the Strength and Discipline challenge as a woman, not relying on her physical strength and discipline but the kind she actually had. And so it seems to point to a contradiction that the thing Mulan couldn't do, to be "a man" or someone she's not, was being sung on her victories that involved avoiding that.
It's not a mistake that at the end of the film, the male soldiers dress up as women but Be A Man starts playing, which cements that the Man that the song was about was always about the superior qualities of the Superior Man rather than the specific traits that a man might have. That is, to become an ideal human more than it is to embody a specific gender. And without even making a direct reference to Confucius it helps translate what looks like outdated Chinese chauvinism into something more positive; as well as cement for girls in that time to also strive to "Be a Man" in a less literal sense but to also excel by building and using superior traits rather than just emulating what men will do.
It's sad that such a lesson could never fly in this newer age.
that's weird...i don't remember rey being chinese...
Jackie's Animations or kids made for space wizards
Jackie's Animations more like a movie about ancient witches for no one
Shtar Whahs, tha fowace ahwahkans. ^.-.^
@@Gameender-dz8oh no, we're just watching movies wrong!
SHAUSBWKBAIAABAIABAK YEAH SAME I GUESS WE HAVE TWO REYS. SADLY.
FYI, that rabbit scene in the new movie is a butchered and shoved in reference to the original mulan poem, at the end when her friends from the army come to see her and she walks out in female clothing, they ask how they never realised she was a woman, to which she responds "The male hare's feet go hop and skip, the female hare's eyes are muddled and fuddled, but when two hares running side by side, how do you tell the male from female?"
The line in the movie completely destroys the point of this line, because she can tell from seeing them run that they were male and female, when the whole point is that she shouldn't know which is which, or even that they are one of each, they could have both been male or both been female.
I'm in shock at the level of disrespect that article so proudly displayed when they called the 1998 Mulan's songs "tuneless warbling".
Actually how dare you.
I thought the whole two rabbits running side by side, was suppose to be about how you can't tell the difference between male and female while they run.... Yet Mulan told the difference right away lol.
chi vision bruh
It's a half-assed reference to the source material. Like "Here is that branch you asked for Cindy, now don't mention it for the rest of the film." and "Oh God I'm running from this creepy castle...oh look roses better stop and pick one for my daughter because she always ask for one."
Wait, that's what they were going for?! I finished that scene thinking she was just a rambling moron.
I love the genuine laughter and joy you hear when they're watching the 1998 movie
Even two months later and their love for the original is contagious.
They massacred my girl
Dude I’m just as pissed as you are. I can rant about the remake for ages, it doesn’t come lightyears close to the original
The Infamous oh hey, it’s you! What did you think of Mulan 2020?
The Infamous glad you agree! I have tons of notes about how bad the remake is, there’s a lot to be said about how bad it is.
The worst was when Mauler rightfully said it's like Dracula Untold. I bought Dracula Untold and thought it's gonna be the best movie ever. I couldn't believe how wrong I was and Mulan 2020 gave me terrible flashbacks.
@The Infamous "Criminal of Criticism" A.K.A. HOW DARE YOU LIKE SOMETHING I HATE
When a cartoon movie with a talking dragon and ghosts comes off as more realistic then its live action remake...
Rags: We're gonna start building our castle walls so they have curves that go on the outside
Shadiversity in the distance: Machicolations!!!
*MACHICOLATIONS!*
I bet they removed mushu because they didn’t want to “offend” the Chinese by casting a black actor, but they didn’t want to offend the usual suspects by recasting him as a Chinese actor.
@@nmr7203, but they put in a phoenix.
They removed him because he was supposedly an offensive representation of chinese dragons. Instead they decided to portray chi as a superpower rather than some mystical enlightenment thing.
@@daggeranddoctor Chi, that apparently women aren't supposed to posses... So much sh it in this film.
@@RollingDodge So instead of doing Chinese dragons wrong they instead do the Chinese phoenix wrong. By mistaking that a western phoenix and a Chinese phoenix are the same.
@@namt4608 yeah they are basically completely different mythical creatures with a different name but phoenix gives people a basic idea (mythical magic bird) so they get called that.
But hey at least they removed the best character because it was a false depiction with a shittier false depiction.
The animated Mulan was so good. The music, the story, and comedic moments were just a joy to watch. What happened to Disney?
Bob Iger happened.
the people that Disney himself wasn't very fond of fully took over.
Political Correctness. ^.-.^
They abused the copyright system so badly that they've stifled the entirety of Western art.
So my only experience with the new Mulan is what I've seen here, but it sounded like they occasionally used the musical leitmotifs from the original as background music for the 2020 version. The problem is that the narrative doesn't seem to follow the themes those songs represented.
Like after the general guy talks to Mulan about Chi (or Qi), the "Reflection" theme starts playing. That's entirely a song about identity, and someone not fitting in with what they're told they are, or what society expects them to be. The narrative of that movie is that she's not accepted in her home as a female, but she finds acceptance as Ping the soldier. But in the 2020 version, it's playing over Mulan carrying those pails of water up the mountainside and there's seemingly zero narrative about the search for acceptance. She's not feeling like an outcast then, she's having a heroic showoff moment!
That was the big one that stuck out to me, but there were many other times where there was dissonance between the plot's narrative and the narrative of the music being used.
Okay look Discord was acting up that day I don't sound like I'm in a tunnel all the time
Hey mate. you need to come on more, love ya
How did you survive watching this horrible abortion of a movie?
* respect *
Your audio sounded better than the actors' delivery!
You were a bright shining beacon in this sea of tism
Love your laugh. It's contagious af
I've harped about this on a couple other Mulan videos, and I'll harp on it here too:
The fact that in the new one Mulan wants to be a warrior from the beginning diminishes her taking her father's place in the army. In the original, what she wanted was to do good by her family and honor them, which is why she was willing to do the matchmaking (recall that our first scene of her in the original is her memorizing/writing the vows on her arm), and why she's so distraught about it going badly. When she runs off to the army, it's clear she's doing this out of love for them (especially when she leaves her comb on her father's nightstand), and making a major sacrifice. In the new one, though... yeah, it's nice that she's sparing her father by doing this, but riding off to war is something she's always wanted to do; she had to repress that desire to get towards being accepted by her arena village. I get the sense that she sees her father's sword and armor as a convenient way to do what she's always wanted to do.
... Just one among the many things this movie did wrong.
Just so we're all on the same page, the singer who provided Mulan's singing voice also did the singing for Jasmine in the original Aladdin. "A Whole New World" is, therefore, "tuneless warbling." Let that sink in, folks.
That writer was lucky the Filipinos didn't find that article. They would have crucified the bastard for insulting Lea Salonga like that.
Having seen her on the west end a few months ago, lea salonga may literally be the best singer on the planet. If this person is going to write ads for shitty Disney movies in the New York times, they don't need to shit on one of the best singers in one of the best films of all time. What a joke
They filmed the new Mulan right next to the Uygher camps in China.
There was an actual genocide going on, off-camera.
Now that's what I call world building
There are very little things that get me steamed nowadays, but this, this'll do it.
Wtf? I was disappointed before, now I’m just angry.
Yeah that made the news and all because Disney thanked the people that were running it or something along those lines and it ticked so many people off.
Tragedy plus Time...
Watching Mulan 2020 is torture.
I was going to make a joke about the Chinese government was using this on their prisoners but I just couldn’t follow through....
Your avatar is perfect for this statement...
yeah i agree is was just doing other stuff then watching the movie XD
Which is more painful? EFAP #93 or Mulan 2020?
@@OrkOfOhio EFAP #93. I don't cee-yare cause it's very ghey FOR NOUGH REESE'S!
*JL and Crymor laughing*
2020 isn't so bad after all.
Fringy to ^^
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Crymor's laugh gives me life, JL's laugh gives me strength
Why is Merk not in this? His laughter is equal to JL and Crymor's
@@zeroclimberchannel were only such a single podcast so grossly incandescent. For now we can but hope the 3 can meet at once.
There was a rumor that Mulan 2020 was originally shot in Chinese, and then all lines were re-dubbed in English. When I first heard of it I was like - nah, no way.
Looking how clunky every line delivery is however I'm thinking that maybe that was actually the case.
Not only that, but dubbed *Horribly* with thick accents... I thought accents were racist?
Seeing the difference between Efap laughing from enjoying a movie and them laughing at a movie being just terrible is such a delight. Also that Jacob edit at the end slays me lol
"Shoulda made their pillars out of rope!"
10/10
So, something I never got:
In the animated Mulan, Shen very clearly never shows any romantic interest in Mulan until after he realizes she’s a girl.
Their relationship before then was clearly him caring for the people he was leading. There wasn’t anything romantic.
But so many people love to claim that Shen’s a bisexual icon.
Like, correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think that a film that has trans and cross-dressing jokes, is progressive enough to represent bisexual people as subtlety as people seem to think Shen’s bisexuality is.
SJW's wanting to appropriate straight characters? The devil you say?!
I'm right there with you. Simple answer is people love reading to much into things and seeing stuff that isn't there. Heck I once saw someone claim Shen is just straight up gay and the reason he kicks Mulan out of the army on the mountain is cause he was angry that Ping, the man he fell in love with wasn't a man. Yeah seriously, you try and figure out how they reached that conclusion.
People are more than willing to assign meaning behind actions that don't necessary have it. They see scenes of Shen being a personable leader and assign a romantic aspect to it of their own volition. Humans like to see meaning in things so much that we make them up and someone's natural bias can lead them to extrapolate conclusions that don't logically follow.
I disagree. He clearly has an interest in her as a 'man', but I think it was not intentional. They just didn't consider how it would come across.
@@bellarkcox1243 at best I'd say he's intrigued by Ping, Which isn't the same as romantically interested. Though that's my interpretation of events so you're free to have your own.
Seeing the EFAP crew have a laugh at Mushu is the most wholesome thing ever :)
Btw happy belated birthday Longman
EDIT: now I really wanna rewatch Mulan 98 again. And never watch Mulan 2020 EVER.
That part made me smile so much. I forgot how much I loved Mushu.
The joy in Mauler’s voice when he said, “best character!!!” just before Mushu appears.
Hearing Mauler 3 years ago theorize a Snow White remake AND that she won't be saved by the prince is eerie. The man knows all.
The way these "writers" write these Disney remakes, you can kinda see a pattern and predict what they will do to make it worse. But yes, Mauler is correct about what they're doing with Snow White.
How is it that the animated Mulan’s fight scenes are less cartooney than the live action ones. Nothing that they did in the animated one was as ridiculous as the scene of that one general fighting off the archers with the fabric.
I’m sorry I need to make an addendum. The Mongols running up the side of the Great Wall after leaping off their horses was way more ridiculous than even the fabric thing. I blocked it out of my mind.
Because the way they animated the fights and training are simple, while the remake had theatrics like parkour, jumping on walls, running on walls, spinning on horses, shooting arrows behind your back, kicking arrows, and using cloth as a weapon like it's tons more effective than a real spear and sword.
Well, they found actors that are as emotionless and stone-faced as Daisy Ridley and filled a movie with them. I didn't believe such a thing was possible.
Daisy Ridley put more effort into her performance than this; at least it was obvious that she was trying. The acting in this film was more blank than that in an M. Night Shyamalan film.
I wonder if its because they are better acting in chinese then english because some of the lines seems to be dubed over them
The actress, Liu Yi Fei, wasn't so emotionless in her before performances. I have the TV series of Return of the Condor Heroes starring her, and it's great. I guess agenda does make people bad at acting, writing, etc.
@@jd2792 That's definitely part of it because they're clearly forcing their way through their accent. TBF, their English is fine in a conversation (which is high functioning), but that's not good enough for acting where unconscious subtleties make performances stand out. Also, it does break the verisimilitude to be hearing Chinese actors speak in English in a supposed-Chinese drama. They probably didn't believe in their performances either, so they can't get other people to believe either.
I forgot just how good the original Mulan movie is.
"You are the daughter" x "What you bring me" full song coming real soon I hope?
Shan Yu: I am ALL the HUNS!
Mulan: and I am all the Chinese
As she reflects his soy sauce beam to him, causing him to burst into grains of rice.
All the Chinese! *except for the uyghurs*
I love how they pretend like this girl would not be seen as a gift from the gods, immediately given to the emperor as a gift and be put on a pedestal as proof that the dynasty is favored in the eyes of heaven
I can't believe they skipped her putting on the armor. It's one of the best moments in the original.
It’s modern Disney. Keep your expectations non existent, and you might not be disappointed
@@lordofdarkness4204 more like keep your expectations non existent, and you'll still somehow be disappointed
the co host with the fox picture talked over the dad saying the greatest gift of all is having you as a daughter..braggs needs to be shot for that ...and mauler talked over when mulan kicked and trapped the bad guy on the roof..why did they like ruin 2 of the best moments with autism?...smdh...i kinda hate how they faded out on those 2 scenes..
It's really cool that Crymor is starting to really integrate himself with the EFAP crew.
Love his laugh
i like him
Part of the toxic part of the brood...
His takes on doom eternal are still garbage
A S S I M I L A T E
I think this phrase summarizes this all perfectly: "We don't talk about the remakes."
What remakes?
@@Ramsey276one There were remakes?
@@loltwest9423 what is this concept of remakes?
This is my favorite EFAP Movies episode. The charm of the first movie juxtaposed with the insanity of the second…. And of course, the incredible commentary from the crew… a phenomenal experience.
Low-key, Mushu was dropped because China doesn’t like black main characters, but Americans would reject a non-Eddie Murphy substitute. I suspect most Asian comedians are too edgy for the CCP anyways.
But he's not black, he's a red dragon.
Literally just watched Mulan (animated) within the week with my wife (her first time viewing). Honestly, it wasn't as good as I remember it, but:
-The visual representation of tying the two "weights" into a tool to actually help her climb the pole? Genius.
-The hard cut from "A girl worth fighting for" to burned town? Amazing.
-The rocket at the snow covered mountain? Genius.
-Huns inside the dragon, literally being escorted to the Emperor? Genius.
We no longer have these subtleties or metaphors in fiction. It's all brow beating and hand holding.
Oh, and the music was great, actually, I'd say better than the animation.
Hiddel subbletees is the cause of this!!
@@GazzerYid09 The case could be made.
@@GazzerYid09 Can Singapore save us?
Yeah, I kinda realized that when I watched some old episodes of Star Trek: DS9 and realized how intelligent and witty the writing and dialogue was and compared it to the patronizing BS of, say, Picard.
Nothing like a movie that endorses concentration camps.
I haven’t seen the live action Mulan remake, but something tells me the music death box from Wish Upon is going to be more accurate to Chinese culture than anything in this cinematic abomination
can confirm music death boxes are priceless artifacts in china town
Instead of hiring a Chinese person to confirm authenticity, the had one of their staff members vacation in Europe to cities that happened to have Chinese museum exhibits.
I shit you not.
MarvAlice
I don’t know how it’s possible, but reading that fact felt like someone sucker-punched my stomach
@@Leon-169 ikr? They found the most insulting way to fake it xD
It somehow actually is. The remake is that bad.
I do love how for the entirety of Mulan 98 they are royally enjoying themselves, there are holes they notice here and there but overall it's a blast. Mulan 20, you can't go three steps without another mess.
Disney PR: “we wanted to create a movie that was more faithful to the original source material.”
Anyone who looks up and reads the Ballad of Mulan: “There is no magic or fantasy creatures in the original... also Mulan is gone for TEN YEARS serving as a soldier and pretending to be a man, and it’s only after she returns home that anyone finds out she’s a girl.”
I mean that random nonsense she speaks about rabbits... that’s actually in the original story, AT THE END, with it serving as symbolism for men and women being different in some regards but ultimately the same.
Bestowed with this mighty sword; The words Loyal, Brave and True etched into the blade I shall free Hong Kong.
Pfffft just kidding, the main actress believes in oppression.
To be fair, she is required to if she wants to be an actress.
Or to not have her relative’s eyes gouged out.
@@wolfdemexico I think you meant « generously offered a vacation trip of unlimited duration by the Chinese government »
I cant wait for the remake of the Sword in the Stone, where everyone BUT Merlin will be a Wizard.
Please, leave Sword in the Stone alone...
@@BaldorfBreakdowns Don't worry, the main protagonist is a Whoooooight male, so your safe.
Also feminists have been calling the King Arthur setting toxic since the early 70s.
Madam Mim will be the sympathetic misunderstood woman that will be the real hero.
@@GrimgoreIronhide Maybe they'll make Arthur female like in Fate Stay/Night. I doubt it'd be as lovable as Artoria in that franchise though.
@@SolarDragon007 Weirdness aside that was a really good adaptation of King Arthur. That they were a woman was because vof Japanese weirdness rather than woke ideology.
Oddly enough the Japanese are good at telling western story's because they dont have an underlying agenda of subverting them, nor do they feel an urge to reinterpret the myth, because to them it's fresh and exciting in its original form.
I love Young Rags' version of her Dad's "Pretend dying" leading Mulan to join the army while her dad was still 100% able but just messing around xD
I laugh at the idea that instead of fearing for his daughter running off with his armor and sword, he's just kinda bummed that he won't get to fight in the war after being so excited to go that he was playing around pretending to fight.
The Mulan/Korra parallels make this so much funnier
No wonder E;R had problems watching it
59:46
The reaction to "There's still an hour left..." cracks me up every time!
It's heart breaking see them going from the joy that is the original Mulan to the dread that is the Live Action one.
Old Disney animations had so much personality. it's strange they thought they could even come close with live action.
Damn the new Mulan was painful, it's actually shocking they were able to take something as simple and enjoyable as the original and completely fuck it up.
I've watched this episode so many times. It has everything. Joy and laughter when experiencing the original and all of the scorn and ridicule you'd expect for something like the last jedi piled on to the soul-less remake. The difference in quality and in reaction really is staggering.
Yeah, this is one of my favorite EFAP Movie episodes to re-watch. :)
I agree. Just by watching these two films back to back, you could see how the animated film is better than the live-action remake. More love and care went into the animated film than the remake.
I will never get tired or hearing Rag's exclaim "WHAAAAT???" when things get absurd. What a legend.
My uncle used to be on the disney 2d animation team.
I feel so bad for him that they replaced the original mulan with..... This....
Tell him that his days are greatly appreciated.
Turns out he worked on shan yu and mushu directly
He worked on brother bear as one of his final projects before they closed the studio. Sadface.
I remember the free disney pass he had when I was a tot.
@@Yayofangamer16 neat. What part? I know some animations for that were a bitch.
@@ATRAYA what was his name?
@@Raffinari That Sabor fight would have driven me to nuts.
JLongbone: I can't breathe
RUclips: this video is now a hate crime
And I love how the physics makes more sense in the animated version
I know we don't often acknowledge them because they aren't as apparent being in the video as Mauler, Rags & the other guests, but can I just say a big round of applause to the Editors on these videos? Half the entertainment is seeing how they animated the mini avatars down below or add their own source of comedy to the overlay of the film! Good shit!
At first I thought you were mistaking Donnie Yen for Jet Li, then I realized that Jet Li played the Emperor. Woooooow.
Same
"Played" XD
@@wheeliebin18 Giving that poor of a performance and still getting a fat paycheck? Yeah, he definitely played us all.
@@kaykutcher2103 He was dubbed over in ADR, that's why he sounded horrible.
"When I was young, I thought this was him pretending to die"
- Rag's 9:09
So I'm not the only one! XD
Confusing Chinese for Japanese is pretty common
@@BaldorfBreakdowns oh shiiiiiit XDD
@@BaldorfBreakdowns Not only is it common, it's to be expected. This is the case with Africa, Asia, Europe and South America.
When I was a kid I thought he was about to die for real I got scared
Jlongbone, crymor and MarkAfterDark EFAP about Joker where they all laugh together when?
And Literature Devil
And Porcus
EFAP would cure the Earth of cancer if all of those people laughed at once.
Do you know what you're asking?
Those are dangerous powers you're tempting
@@Mr.Slaughter We would be free of all the Patrick Willemses and MovieBobs.
Whoever does the animations for the avatars needs a raise. Those are great.
DasBoSchitt is the editor.
@@JVLM07 He does excellent work.
Rags being stunned into silence by the bad line delivery gets me every time!
Best line for the real version:
"Their ropes are strong but their pillars are for shit!" 🤣🤣🤣
The animated version is in my Top 10 Disney films. It's all perfect -- and Eddie Murphy's MuShu is the cherry on top ("Oh I think my bunny slippers just ran for cover!"). I refuse to see the remake.
"They should have made their pillars out of rope!"